Сяопин Джоу / Элисон — Книга 2: Самоцвет истинного намерения (Панчен Лодро Лексанг о «Виная-сутре»), занятие 14

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Курс: Xiaoping Zhou / Alison — Book 2: The Gemstone of True Intent (Panchen Lodru Leksang on the Vinaya Sutra) — Diamond Cutter Classics
Урок: Занятие 14 (по плейлисту Session 14) — три вида нравственности/самоконтроля (пратимокша, самтен ги домпа, сакме ги домпа), несообщающая форма («космическая фотография»), 10 категорий Винаи
Ведёт: Геше Майкл Роуч, Элисон Сяопин Джоу (перевод на китайский)
Дата и место: 25.01.2025, место не указано
Источник: YouTube, канал Diamond Cutter Classics, плейлист PL1KVm5jgTljRBpdDsc-GnPM-ab-9EEPLy; расшифровка TurboScribe
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[Говорящий 1]
Good morning, good afternoon, good night. Hope everybody's doing well. Welcome to Xuanzang's Tower.

Oh, we still have a few seconds, so get yourself fired up for some beautiful classes on vowed morality. I see Geshe Michael. Hi, Geshe Michael.

Hola. Hola. How are you?

Pretty good. I got my cat. Is that that one's Tim's cat?

Yeah, non-alert cat. I don't know why. Amazing.

[Говорящий 3]
You okay? There she is.

[Говорящий 1]
No, I'm just. Oh, it's okay. We're gonna see you.

I know they don't. We're gonna go to a Well, as soon as you're ready, Xiaoping, we can get started. Thank you, everybody.

[Говорящий 2]
So I will share the homework.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. How do you say homework? The suffering of.

Dukkhasen. Dukkhasen. Oh, yeah, yeah, you can say that.

They call it leitzen. Leitzen. I was about to say le something.

I think it's a different le. I think it's L-E-E, but anyway, that's a long story. Like le kum, right?

For office. Like that. I'm trying to hit him.

Okay, we decided to add caffeine to the wheel of life. Flink number 13. Somebody said it should start the wheel of life.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, so homework, but let's have a brief review. Let's have a very quick review. In our last class, which happened about a month ago in December, we talked about the six priority vows for intermediate.

So let's review them. Because next question is, what are the six secondary vows for intermediate? Okay, so the first one is never walk along down part of a path or more than a mile.

Second, never swim. Make your way from this side to the far side of some body of water. Third, never touch the body of a male who is not a close relative with any parts of your own body.

Fourth, never sit together along with this same kind of male. Fifth, never act as a go between relaying messages between a male and a female. Sixth, never hide.

That is, keep secret something wrong you yourself have done, some kind of bad deed. Okay, then the question. Please list the six secondary vows for intermediate.

Don't touch money. Yes.

[Говорящий 1]
Nice.

[Говорящий 2]
Anything else? Five more left.

[Говорящий 1]
Don't sit next to a man that is not a close relative.

[Говорящий 2]
We just covered that. Yeah, that is a primary one. Yeah.

Anything else? You can't dig in the ground. Oh, yes.

Don't dig in the ground. Great. Dig, dig.

Don't dig in the earth. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
So cool.

[Говорящий 2]
Lindsay was saying another one. Yeah, don't shave the hair between the legs. You can't cut any plants.

Yeah, you cannot cut living plants. Yes.

[Говорящий 1]
That's got to be six.

[Говорящий 2]
No, two more.

[Говорящий 1]
Two more.

[Говорящий 2]
Two more to go. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Don't keep food in your house.

[Говорящий 2]
Never eat food which is dull. Yeah. Another one.

Also relate to food. Yeah, don't eat food that is not blessed.

[Говорящий 1]
Yay. And never cut living plants. Did we get that one?

Yeah, I got that one.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
Never touch.

[Говорящий 2]
Second, very, very easy. For the rest of the vows, divide it into male and female vows. Why are one-day vows not divided this way?

[Говорящий 3]
The answer is in your question.

[Говорящий 1]
Good job for a day. The answer is in the question. You want to respond that?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, because it's too short. Okay, third one. In the last class, we mentioned three kinds of vows.

Chris, this is the name.

[Говорящий 1]
Tasa's got it, but he wants some money.

[Говорящий 2]
Can I? Yes, please.

[Говорящий 1]
Pratimoksha?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Sampan? Nice. Nice, nice.

On staying. Nice. Pure.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yay.

[Говорящий 1]
That's great. I thought you were going to say... What?

Pratimoksha bodhisattva and diamond. This is the division as it's made in the Pratimoksha.

[Говорящий 2]
Thanks. Thank you. Vocabulary.

[Говорящий 1]
By the way, what's it referred to? Meditation vow means when you're in a deep state of samadhi, you can't do anything bad physically or verbally anyway, which is Pratimoksha's mainly focused on verbal and physical, not so much mental. Pure here means you've already reached nirvana or something, and you're in a stainless meditation and you're not going to...

In that, it doesn't refer to being in meditation and you can't cause trouble. It means your mind is cleaned out, so you wouldn't want to cause trouble. It's different from the second one.

Cool.

[Говорящий 2]
Vocabulary. First one is digging.

[Говорящий 1]
Digging in the earth?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah. Dig in the earth or dig the earth?

[Говорящий 1]
You can say either one.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, okay. Second one.

[Говорящий 1]
A root or a plant? A root, yeah. If it has an asur, if it's spelled differently, it means grass.

Like kusha itself.

[Говорящий 2]
So, okay, root.

[Говорящий 1]
Jinleng. Jinleng. Yeah, nice.

Wow, you're on a roll today. You must be having a good show today.

[Говорящий 2]
Call?

[Говорящий 1]
Cause, flow, stream, course, move. Oh, misspelled. R-G-Y-U-N.

Or D.

[Говорящий 2]
D?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. N's okay. Yeah, N is better.

[Говорящий 2]
Yay.

[Говорящий 1]
Cool. All right. Translation job.

[Говорящий 2]
Shall we?

[Говорящий 1]
Yes, please. Dema.

[Говорящий 2]
Dey na dzen deng gi ngo shi tak. Ataparwar la den ne, chak su gyi kunlong kop pay sempa de, sam deng gi dom pay den ni yin.

[Говорящий 1]
Nice, okay. Not too bad. So, dompa of course means vow, and by the way, it's related to that yama thing, controlling yourself.

And samteng gi dompa means a natural vow of being in a meditation, being deep in meditation. It's a natural vow, natural self-restraint that comes from being in meditation. And he says the depth of that is semba.

What's semba? Mental. LAS KYIS GYUR NA GZO RGYAS DE NYID SEMS PA DANG LAS KYIS Movement of the mind.

Any movement of the mind. You can say a thought. So, semba which gulks your kunlun.

Stops your motivation. Stops your motivation to do something wrong. The state of mind, deep state of mind of meditation, which automatically shuts down your desire to do something naughty.

Okay? Chal, chal, chal, chal tsu means chal way two terms. And chal is an ancient word that means bad behavior or something like that.

So, chal tsu means the opposite of morality. Bad behavior. Chal.

And there's no longer any movement of thought in the mind to inspire you to do something naughty, because you are in samten gyi ngu shik. You're in the actual dhyana. You're not in the platform for it.

You're not in the opening stage. We call it opening stage and real thing. So you're not in the opening stage, you're in the actual meditation.

The idea is that you cannot frame the thought. You see what I mean? You cannot have that thought, that I'd like to steal something, I'd like to kill something, because your mind is deep in meditation.

And that's why people who meditate a lot are born in the form realm or the formless realm, because they don't have time to do their best to get to the desire realm. So, you know, if you had a choice, if you just meditated all day, at least you'd be born in a nice place. You know.

As long as it wasn't a hell realm meditation. Okay, that's the definition of the Vows of Meditation, the attention to strangeness. Good, okay.

I'm feeling too far. It's okay. Yep.

Okay, who's next? Can you read the next one also? Because these go together.

He's going to define the third kind of morality, which is sakmekyi dompa. Vimala.

[Говорящий 2]
Pure and still.

[Говорящий 1]
Vimala Vows. Vimala restraint.

[Говорящий 2]
Go. sakme kyi ngo shi la ten ne, chak su kyi kun go pe sempe, sakme kyi dompa zen ni yin te Yeah, so that's a start.

[Говорящий 1]
So sakme just means, it's Abhidharma language, and don't forget... Don't forget we're in the opening schools, right? Vinaya and Abhidharma kind of hang out together.

And so they don't... Sorry. They don't refer...

They say sakme rather than saying something else. Sakme is very much an Abhidharma word. And they wouldn't say Buddhahood or enlightenment or something like that.

They would say a deep state of mind of sakme. Which means immaculate. An immaculate state of mind.

And it means that you basically reach nirvana and you can't... You don't want to do things. You reach the state like nirvana.

Your mind is in a good state. As opposed to what? Last one.

Just deep focus. Yeah, just deep focus. You could be a terrible person, but you're deep into meditation.

You don't have time to steal anything. And then higher level, you're pretty much an arhat or a Buddha, and you don't want to steal things or something. And those are all called donpa, which means restraint.

It's not like a vow, or you could think of it as a vow. It's an automatic vow to reach. Nirvana is an automatic morality vow, because you don't want to do anything.

Okay, who's going to read next? Did you translate the next piece?

[Говорящий 2]
Three paragraphs.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, okay. You want to have somebody else read your readings, too. It's boring.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, would you like to read?

[Говорящий 1]
Good. Good. Chalwe.

Chalwe. Okay. Yeah, deng yin means those two guys, which is what?

Self-imposed morality of meditation, and nirvana, say. Okay. deng yin kyi dun chepa na.

If you'd like me to explain what these two kinds of morality or restraint, what they are, I'll quote dzun dro. Dzun dro. Okay, so that means commentary to the Abhidharmakosha.

Oftentimes this author, Lodro Lexong, calls the auto-commentary the commentary. So we have to check. deng yin kyi, those two are...

They are... bong is the verb. They are to give up...

Refrain. ...a chalwe tsultrim, immorality. And also you give up the kunmo.

[Говорящий 2]
Intention?

[Говорящий 1]
Motivation. Yeah, the motivation. Tsongkhapa, in his famous letter to his student, Rangwa Rangdrapa Sakowa, which is in the ACI course...

[Говорящий 3]
One?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, he says, sabun dun chepa. He says... because technically the Pratimoksha vows are only physical and verbal.

They do not include mental vows. And then Tsongkhapa said, in his definition of Pratimoksha vows, he says, with their foundation, shi dang chepa. So that's motivation.

That's the mental part of a bad being. So that was a big breakthrough when he added two syllables. And he said, no, you have to look at the root causes of the misbehavior.

Pratimoksha is not just verbal and physical. Okay? So anyway, what he's saying here is, you have to always look at...

when you discuss Pratimoksha vows, which are primarily physical and verbal, you cannot ignore what? Kunmo.

[Говорящий 2]
Motivation?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, the state of mind that motivates them. So that's a big... For a Vinaya person, this paragraph is a big deal.

He's quoting either Yashamitra or Vasubandhu. And he's saying, it includes the motivation. It's included in the morality of Pratimoksha.

That's a big jump. mongpa nam po nyi che, de nyi kyi che, samten gyi dompa. Yeah, that's why we call it samten gyi dompa.

Alrighty. Is that all you got? Not bad.

I don't know when you did that. You didn't sleep, probably. She's got a few things going on.

Again. Yes, handsome. When he said those two, and then he just says samten gyi dompa at the end.

Yeah, and I think he goes on to... Sakme. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. But he didn't quote the whole thing.

That's a good question. Okay, where are we? Okay, here we...

By the way, here's the whole quotation. It is by Yashamitra, which is an amazing commentary to Abhidharma. Amazing.

Four volumes. And we have the Sanskrit, and we have the Tibetan. It's quite amazing.

Somebody stole my copy. It's just called... Okay, the technical name is Abhidharmakosha Shatika.

Chung ngu mi dzuk gi dzel she. Which means, just a commentary. It's amazing.

It's extraordinary. And someone recovered the Sanskrit and edited it in four volumes. You know.

A certain guy from Beijing once visited my house and... Did that get fixed? It's stolen?

No. There's no way he could know how valuable it was.

[Говорящий 2]
Really?

[Говорящий 1]
He asked me, and I'm like, okay. But out of hundreds of books... Anyway, I'm trying to get another copy.

They're very rare now. They were done in Bengal. Somewhere in the village in Bengal.

Okay. All right. Who's going to read?

[Говорящий 2]
Would you like?

[Говорящий 1]
You've got the plane. You want me to move over?

[Говорящий 2]
Okay. Next one, please.

[Говорящий 1]
$100. Uncommunicating form. $50 to Rebecca, $50 to Nick.

Okay. What's it mean? What's a classic example?

Rows in the aura. Yeah, so when you take a bow, someone looking through the window can see that you are squatting in the chicken position, my teacher called it. And you have your hands like this.

And that will communicate to the observer that you are taking a bow. So for that length of time, which is usually only five minutes or something, the light bouncing off of you communicates to the observer. And then after that point, the vows themselves are invisible.

Nobody can see them except a Buddha or something. They supposedly stay around you like a halo. Okay.

So he has a very interesting argument here. Do you get it? Yeah.

What's he saying? The latter two kinds of Pratimoksha, which is where you avoid doing bad deeds because you're meditating, or you're a super good person, are not Pratimoksha. Those latter two kinds of...

I'm sorry. Those latter two kinds are not Domba. They are not vows.

Cannot be vows. They're called Sakmekhi Domba. They're called Samthankhi Domba.

They're called a vow, but they're not really a vow. They cannot be. They are not the invisible form that coats you in the years after you take a vow.

So, you know, in the Abhidharma, when you take vows, a cosmic photograph is snapped by the universe. And forever after, you have this halo around you that only a very good person could ever see. Most people can't see it.

So that's called form or physical light that does not communicate your intentions. Because nobody can see it. So, a vow must be a physical form which does not communicate your intentions.

Therefore, those latter two cannot be vows. Technically, they're not vows. Because they are not invisible photographs.

It's a cool idea. Einstein would say the same thing, that the light from the ordination is still traveling through the universe somewhere. It's interesting.

The thing is that they are visible in the universe. Yeah, exactly. Well, I don't know.

That's a tricky question. But they are not an invisible coating on you or something. Actually, they're mental.

One is mental, and one is a gopa. One is an absence. Okay.

Absence of mala. That's a veemo. Okay.

In either case, they're not a physical form. Yeah. They're not that weird kind of physical form.

That's a very deep thing to say. And you could have an interesting class based on that. You could really talk about it.

Who's in the next one, Shalkeen?

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you. Thank you. Christine, do you want to read?

This one, please. Yeah. Thank you.

Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
So this writer is unusually deep. And he's amazing. You don't see this kind of discussion going on in a Vinaya text usually.

So that's why we chose him as our second Vinaya book. The first Vinaya book was a list of vows. And the second Vinaya book is much deeper.

And it's amazing. It's incredible. So anyway, get this.

nambarik chen mayempey suk, that invisible photograph, which adheres to you after you take a vow. If there were a Buddha in the room that could see it, normal people can't see it. It's like a shine around your body.

[Говорящий 2]
Not just Buddha can see, right?

[Говорящий 1]
No, I guess an arhat or something, but it's difficult to see. So nambarik chen mayempey suk, in the definition of non-communicating form in the Abhidharma, it says, sen mey pa layang, which means whether you are conscious or whether you are unconscious, you got knocked out, you're on anesthesia, and you're asleep, nambarik chen mayempey suk, non-communicating form, adheres to you regardless of your state of mind. It's part of the definition of nambarik chen mayempey suk.

sen mey pay nekab su jukpa, it applies. The halo applies, even if you're distracted or you're asleep or you're unconscious. You don't lose the halo when you're conked out, as long as you're still alive.

It does disappear when you die. Pratyumoksha vows finish when you die. So, de nyi kang nguy yinle seng gi chen la yin gupay che, but if anything could be the second two kinds of restraint, which is deep meditation or high good qualities, that restraint has to follow the mind.

There has to be a conscious thought. You cannot have the latter two kinds of restraint, stainless restraint and deep focus. Morality caused by meditation.

And I call it, what do you call it? Morality by default. You're too busy to hurt somebody.

So he said those two kinds of strange deep restraining yourself because you're deep in meditation or you're an arhat, they certainly do require the presence of your mind. They assume the mind is not just present, but it's fully present. Got it?

Real Pratyumoksha vows will adhere to you whether you are conscious or knocked out in the hospital. That picture will still stay on you. But if you got knocked out in the hospital, you would lose a concentration.

You see what I mean? Because you don't have an active state of mind at that time. Cool.

He's a very interesting thinker. If you were in deep meditation often, and therefore you were a moral person, and then suddenly you got knocked out, you would lose that vow. You would lose that restraint.

That doesn't mean you'd be going killing people as you're knocked out, but it does mean that you wouldn't have that state of mind. Because it is a state of mind. The latter two are states of mind.

Cool. Very interesting. Okay.

Nice thinking of this person. Okay. Who's going to read Dambodrupte?

[Говорящий 2]
Jacqueline, would you like to read?

[Говорящий 1]
Jacqueline.

[Говорящий 2]
Sorry.

[Говорящий 1]
The other side. The left side.

[Говорящий 2]
This one, please.

[Говорящий 1]
Dambodrupte. If you go into an almost mindless state, do you keep them or not? Yes.

Yeah, you keep that cosmic photograph. Okay. And that's what he's saying here.

It's true that you keep the cosmic photograph, because even during nyom juk where you have no du shi, almost incapable of drawing distinctions mentally, very close to being unable to draw any distinctions. It's called du shi mei pei nyom juk. No ability to distinguish between things.

Or if you're in a deeper state, which is called gok pei nyom juk, which is basically where the mind has shut down, and it's called the cessation meditation. Basically, then most thought processes have shut down. So if you could go into a normal meditation, which is so deep that you weren't making distinctions anymore, or if you could go even deeper into a state where your mind, your whole mind is almost shut down, could you still have the cosmic photograph?

Yeah. And that's what he's saying here. Kapsa jukpa means even on those occasions, it continues.

It's not interrupted. Cosmic photograph stays on you no matter what your mental state. And that's not true of the second two kinds of restraint, which come from being in the deep state of meditation, or being a higher level being.

Cool? Therefore, they are not nambaric chen mayimbe. Which means they can't be pratimoksha.

It's very interesting. It's very deep. It's very beautiful.

And then he's going to... Isn't that a bad example? Because the second one is actually being in meditation.

So therefore, it is actually dushe me gokpa. No, it says dushe me papalayam. You should...

Pratimoksha, cosmic photograph should stay on you no matter what your state of mind. Even if you get compounded. But if your picture stays with you.

But that is meditation. So therefore, it would be the second one too. That's what I mean.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
Compounded, right word? Compounded? Because it's not the other ones?

And it's not just the meditation vow?

[Говорящий 1]
No, but he does say that word. That sentence says, it stays whether you're deep in meditation or you're in a cessation meditation. But the restraint caused by the meditation is no longer present.

I see, I see. But the restraint that you took as a monk years ago, that still stays even if you're in deep meditation or you're in arhat. But being moral because you're in deep meditation is not pratimoksha.

But you could have pratimoksha and still keep it while you're in deep meditation. Okay. Then he quotes Abhidharmakosha.

Who's going to read that one?

[Говорящий 2]
Stanley?

[Говорящий 1]
Uh-oh.

[Говорящий 2]
Up to you. Oh, okay. This one.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. It's a very famous verse. It says, ,YANG DANG SEMS MED PA'I YANG, ,SKYE DANG MI RGYAS BYAS BRAL GANG, ,BYUNG BA CHEN NAM GYUR BYED PA, ,DE NI RNAM NAS CHEN MIN BYOD, Very famous verse.

The definition of the cosmic photograph. Very famous verse. ,YANG DANG SEMS MED PA'I YANG, Even when you are distracted or you're in a state where there's almost no mind, ,SKYE DANG MI RGYAS BYAS BRAL GANG, it also follows virtue or non-virtue.

,BYUNG BA CHEN NAM GYUR BYED PA, which is very controversial. Atoms compose it. Cosmic photograph.

Okay. It's made of physical matter. It's made of the four elements.

,STAR CHU ME RLUNG, Earth, water, fire, and wind. Which means it's particulate matter. Okay.

That's a huge debate. It's particulate matter that people cannot see. Normal people.

Okay. ,GYES DANG RGYAS MI RGYAS BYAS BRAL GANG, ,BYUNG BA CHEN NAM GYUR BYED PA, That's what we call the cosmic photograph. Okay.

Very famous lines. And I, to be honest, I did this book for 12 years. I memorized the first two-thirds of it.

Abhidharmakosha. And this was when my teacher couldn't speak any English. And he's trying to explain, ,NAM BAR DU BYED MA YIN PA'I GZUGS KYI, And I'm like, what?

And it was so funny. The classes were like acid trips. Okay.

But in a way, the more trouble you have, the better you remember. Okay. So that's...

He's quoting that... He's quoting the Abhidharmakosha itself to support his ideas about the cosmic photograph should stay, even if your mind is partly gone or something. Okay.

All right? And therefore, the second two are not Pratimoksha. The morality born from just being in meditation or morality born from being a fine person doesn't qualify necessarily as Pratimoksha.

Okay. And there's a commentary I got for you and stuff like that.

[Говорящий 2]
JP, would you like to read?

[Говорящий 1]
By the way, the point is even if you're distracted or conked out, Pratimoksha vow stays with you. Okay. And here's another sentence to support that.

[Говорящий 2]
This one, please. A short one? Yeah, I was thinking.

[Говорящий 1]
No, but he can do multiple short ones.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, okay. I didn't say that.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, he can do. Okay. He's got the Zen thing.

Okay. No, wait, wait, don't go anywhere. What's your meaning?

Do you keep the cosmic photograph if you're distracted or conked out? Yes. Yeah, good.

Can you keep the morality or the self-control of being in meditation or of being a fine person if you're conked out? No.

[Говорящий 2]
No? No.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Therefore, the last two of the three kinds of self-control are not Pratimoksha, are not number of exchange. My image, too.

They are not the cosmic photograph because you have to be focused. You can't be conked out. Got it?

Your mind has to be fully functioning, but it doesn't have to be fully functioning to have the cosmic photograph. Therefore, those last two kinds of morality are not Pratimoksha because they are not the cosmic photograph. Got it?

Because they do depend on the mind. If you got conked out, you wouldn't have the two kinds of morality, the second and third kind of morality. You wouldn't have it if you got conked out because it depends on your mind being peaceful.

Cool. All right.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Dr. Brady.

[Говорящий 2]
One more, please.

[Говорящий 1]
Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Говорящий 2]
Nice.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. Here's a new word that I never saw, but I figured it out. There's a new word here that I never saw, but I figured it out.

So, na means before. Chi means later. What's the word for morning?

Natural.

[Говорящий 2]
Natural.

[Говорящий 1]
For evening. Chidro. Chidro.

Okay? So, na, chi here means before and later. And then our author has created a new word, which I've never seen.

Ngandro means the earlier commentary and chidro means the later commentary. So, I checked and the earlier commentary is the auto-commentary. He wrote a detailed auto-commentary.

And then the later commentary is Master Yashamitra's commentary, which is very, very fine. It should be translated someday. By the way, I think the next book we'll be working on is Stanley's Abhidharmakosha.

So, at least we'll get the first chapter. And that'll be a 300-400 page book by itself. So, in the Ngandro, in Vasubandhu's commentary, SEMS RGYAS BYAS SU SBYANG BA'I SDOM PA GNYIS ZHES It says, quote, the two kinds of self-control which follow upon the mind.

Okay? The two kinds of self-control which follow upon the mind. Which two are those?

Meditation and being a fine person or something like that. Okay? Which means they could not function if the mind were absent.

But Pratimoksha picture does. Okay? Got it?

By the way, Pratimoksha cosmic picture doesn't survive death. But it does survive a deep state of meditation. And it comes back.

Something like that. Okay? If you define mindlessness as a deep meditation, a true Pratimoksha restraint should be staying there during that time.

The cosmic photograph adheres to whatever your state of mind. But those other two kinds of self-control are dependent upon a clear state of mind. You couldn't be knocked out in the hospital and have the morality that comes from focusing because you're knocked out.

Got it? Okay. All right.

In the Chitra, in Yashar Mitra, SANGS RGYAS SDOM PA DANG SANGS MED PA'I SDOM PA'O He's explaining the two kinds of morality, the two kinds of self-control that Vasubandhu was referring to. So he actually names them. He says Master Vasubandhu is talking about those two kinds of morality where you're in meditation or you are such a good person.

Okay? And I went and got the quotations for you because of John Brady. And it's all correct.

And then... The pure morality with that. Yeah.

Yeah. Kind of what he's saying. It doesn't have to be.

You could have. In theory, you could have it. I mean, it'd be unlikely.

Yeah. I think it would be unlikely. But it's possible.

Theoretically, it's possible. Okay.

[Говорящий 3]
Excuse me, Geshe-la. What is theoretically possible? We couldn't hear the comment.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, sorry. Could you have the latter two kinds of morality where you're in deep meditation so you don't kill anybody or you are a very fine person, almost shut down the mind, you don't kill anybody? Thakur had a good question which was, do you think anybody could reach that state without normal morality?

And I think it'd be difficult. I don't think it's... So in that sense, they're kind of...

could be based on Pratimoksha, but they are not Pratimoksha. Okay, okay. Who's going to read, Xiaoping?

[Говорящий 2]
This show one?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, you want to do that one?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
Tsongkhapa do Shapani.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, now, this is extremely important in her book. Her book will take us 20 years. It's a classic.

It's a huge book. And it's unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.

I want to stay around just for that. So, this sentence is probably one of the most important sentences of the book. And he proposes to outline all Vinaya.

I'll give you the categories of Vinaya. He gives 10 categories of Vinaya. And it's very beautiful.

Okay, I'll say it again. He gives 10 categories of Vinaya. And even if you just know there's 10 categories, you have a pretty good understanding of Vinaya.

Okay, so this today is very important. This sentence is really important. And this will guide us for the next 20 years.

He's going to go through the 10 divisions of Vinaya. Pratimoksha vows. So here we go.

It's actually, we had it before, but I'd like to do it again. You drunk old man. Can you read this dark, the bold?

[Говорящий 2]
dampa la zen ni tang, ye wa duwa nga shak jik ja shek gyu khen je buk ngo-o ne su ched le dang su le Yeah, so if you wanted to understand Vinaya perfectly, there's 10 different categories, and it will take us 20 years to get through them.

[Говорящий 1]
But they're very clear. Number one, zen ni. Definitions.

What's a definition? And he's going to do an awesome definition of Vinaya. Pratimoksha, sorry.

Pratimoksha, okay? Morality. Secondly, ye wa.

The divisions. Yeah, what are the divisions, different divisions of Pratimoksha? Okay.

Third, duwa. How is it? How are the vows grouped?

So, ye wa would be the different kinds of Pratimoksha vows. Duwa, sometimes duwa refers to the different types of vows. So, you've got plampa, and then you've got shatma, and then you've got tungje, sorsha, and then nyeche.

Five categories of all Pratimoksha vows. From most serious to least serious. And they are weird nicknames.

They don't give you any clue that these are five degrees of morality. Plampa would be like killing a human. Nyeche would be sticking your elbows out when you walk down the street.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay?

[Говорящий 1]
Like everything between is duwa. Okay? And dashi.

An explanation of the terms? Yeah, and that's very... I don't know, to me it's very interesting, because he explains what does pratimoksha mean.

What does vinaya mean. He goes through the words. To me it's very sexy.

Gyu and Kin? Causes and conditions. Yeah, general causes and more specific conditions.

Jebu? Maybe the results of Pratimoksha. Yeah, what's the result of being Pratimoksha?

What's going to happen? Ngo? What's the essence?

What's the essential nature of vinaya? Pratimoksha. Neyche means what kind of state are you in at that time?

And then chele means how do they function? How do the vows function? Those are the ten things we're going to cover in 20 years.

By the way, in nine minutes, Xiaoping will lead a discussion of how you can use this stuff in your real life. And then after 15 minutes of that we'll have one hassle with the news. Alright, who's going to read this one, Xiaoping?

[Говорящий 2]
Romney, would you like to read?

[Говорящий 1]
Want to try it? Come sit up here.

[Говорящий 2]
I need my glasses.

[Говорящий 1]
You want my glasses? She can see. I can see.

You can see?

[Говорящий 2]
So? That's okay. Good.

Good. Good.

[Говорящий 1]
Genuine.

[Говорящий 2]
Genuine. Genuine. Yay, Chute.

Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
By the way, we're actually in the third of these ten ten divisions that we just talked about. So we are in dua, which means how are you going to group the vows? How are you going to group the different vows?

Can you group them? Generally you have full nun, full monk, intermediate nun, novice nun, novice monk, and lifetime layman vows. Sometimes you can add the one-day vow.

But is there a way to condense those divisions? What do you think? Can you condense those divisions?

Yeah. Wow. Male and female?

Yeah, just in the male and female. Okay? But when you get to the intermediate nun, it's a little tricky because there's no intermediate monk.

Okay? So how do you combine that? Here's his solution.

[Говорящий 2]
All right.

[Говорящий 1]
And this is the traditional grouping, regrouping into fewer categories. And he says, tsa-drak gi dom-pa rik gyepo de, you can take those eight different types of vows, male, female, full, intermediate, female, male, female, novice, and then male, female, one-day, lifetime vows, layman vows, and then one-day vows. You can take those eight and you can condense them.

He says you can condense them. rik gyepo, rik gyepo means eight types of vows. You can condense them according to their essential nature.

And it's what you could guess. It's what you might assume. go-ne du-na, you could boil it down to four.

You could condense it into four. shir means into four. du-te.

gelong, a fully ordained person, you can condense in pa-ma. Yeah, male and female. So you can say, okay, fully ordained is one condensed category, whether it's male or female.

pa-ma nye kyi donpa dze rik chik, dze rik chik means they are essentially the same substance. And by the way, they're not the same vows. There's some shared vows and there's many not shared vows.

But he says essential, by their essential nature, they could be considered together. So with the consolidation, you could put the male and female fully ordained into a category called fully ordained person. Okay?

Then you could take the ge-tso pa-ma. You could take the novice male and female and dump them together, essentially the same. And let's throw in there, ge-lop-ma.

Yeah, the intermediate nun. It's not that different from the... By the way, the vows are very similar to the novice.

The intermediate nun's vows are not that different from novice nun's vows. They just thought it was important with a woman in the monastery that she have these two steps to go through towards full ordination. ge-tso pa-ma nye kyi dumpa dang-gye lop ma.

So you got to read it across here. You see what I mean? There's novice male, female, and intermediate female.

And those come together, condensed into one. How many we got so far? Two.

Okay. And by the way, Vinaya is very much a game of what's the 13 things and the four of this and how do you do it? You got to be an accountant to do Vinaya.

Okay. Then finally, here. gen-nyen pa-ma nye.

One day vow. Lifetime layman's vows. Male and female.

You could mix them together. Okay. Condensing into that.

Then he quotes. Yeah. So he included ge-lop ma as separate then, right?

The third. Must be. Let's count them.

He says sum. Full monk and full nun are one. And then, yeah, I think.

Yeah. It has to be. Otherwise it's not.

No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Full monk, full nun together as one.

Male and female novice together with the intermediate nun, I think. Then the two lifetime layman's first. Yeah, I would.

But he doesn't have the one day vow here. Maybe he continues? Okay.

He might. But the sum that you're referring to, I understand what you're saying, but. It's all three of those together are one.

I believe that's what he's saying, but then there's only three. Yeah. What words?

Then there's only three. Okay. We'll see.

He probably mentions it after the tong again. He has to. I don't understand.

Not necessarily. Yeah. Yeah.

No, not necessarily. Let's go and see. Okay.

Then he quotes the Abhidharmakosha which says, dze su nam pa shi yin no. By substance, there are four consolidated groups. That's just to give lung for his rig.

Lung rig, right? Okay. All right.

Why can you include the male and female versions into a single category is a very intriguing question. We're not going to reach it right now, today. But it has to do with what happens to a full monk, for example, if they change their gender, okay?

If they become a woman, then what kind of vow do they have? Okay? That's an intriguing question.

It's illegal nowadays in the United States, but it's an intriguing question. Then what are you? Do you lose your vows or do they switch to nuns' vows?

In ancient times, they did change their gender. People changed their gender, commonly. Even in India, you see this.

These questions came up. Do they still have monks' vows or did they suddenly get nuns' vows? Okay.

Because of the default, when you change your gender, we can say that they are dzere chik. Full monk and full nun is essentially the same because you flop from monk to nun if you become a woman.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay?

[Говорящий 1]
Therefore, they must be one substance. Therefore, they must be essentially the same thing. Cool?

It's a cool logic. That's a great idea. That's a great idea.

Xiaoping, now you've got a guess of what is the date today?

[Говорящий 2]
January 25.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. I'd like you to work on the next paragraph.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. Your conversation starts here.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay. Geshe.

[Говорящий 1]
What?

[Говорящий 2]
Before you start.

[Говорящий 1]
I'm disappearing.

[Говорящий 2]
No, I want to ask one question.

[Говорящий 1]
No, I have the light to disappear. Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
Then I will just throw a discussion. I don't know if you wonder. We wonder about this question in your mind.

Then we talk about one cosmic photo, right? When you take the vow, at that moment, then the universe takes a photo of you who take the vow, and then there's a cosmic photo, and only special beings who can see the halo. Yeah.

Then I always wonder this question I want to ask Geshe or anybody who now want to discuss. Then if a person keeps a vow better, does his or her halo brighter or more beautiful? And then reigning follows Arya or Buddha when they see, for example, this room.

And then I think many in this room have taken vows, and we have halos above our head. Then does it mean can see, oh, this person is brighter halo. That's a bigger halo.

[Говорящий 1]
Me and Peter's halos. Increasing as we go. Yeah.

Geshe-O. Well, personally, what I like to think about is, what's that telescope, the James Webb Telescope? Part of its function or purpose is to try to observe the beginning of the universe because it's capable of detecting the particles and triangulating them.

So it sees the angle of particles moving through the universe and traces them back to a beginning point. So in a way, one of its purposes is to observe the beginning of the universe, the Big Bang. And it's based on the idea that that light is still traveling towards us.

And so therefore, it should be observable under certain circumstances. And I love this idea of a cosmic photo because it really is a permanent entity in the universe. That light that bounced off of you when you took your monk's vows travels through the universe like the light of the Big Bang.

And if you had a powerful enough telescope, you could observe it. There is really a picture flying through the universe of your ordination. I think it's really cool.

Personally, I always visualize that. In our system, wouldn't we be the telescope? Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, we're in the Big Bang out there. Back to Shelby.

[Говорящий 2]
OK. Anyone want to share what you get from this class? Maybe one thing inspire you or one takeaway?

Peter?

[Говорящий 3]
One question, I guess. Yeah, it's a discussion. That's a good one.

[Говорящий 1]
That's a good one. Share. Well, it's more a question.

I mean, I remember when I heard these ideas the first time in the ACI courses. I really thought, why is this in the ACI course? There's so much incredible, for me, more obvious, mind-boggling.

Oh, I don't see. Oh, I'm so sorry. The foundation courses of the five houses.

Why? Why that topic? It felt a little bit, and I'm aware of my own ignorance, and I'm a little shy to bring it up to Geshe-la.

But there must be a reason why that is such a topic. And now hearing Geshe-la talking about it again, that he feels the ordination laws are obviously also our own Pratimoksha vow-taking moment, is an image flying through the universe, and it's more physically than when you reach nirvana, which is basically what we said before. That blows my mind.

And I'm trying to, and I'm struggling to accept it, to get clarity on it, because it's a pretty brutal statement. Nirvana is kind of what Abhidharma wants to reach, I think, right? And still the first layman vow, which is not such a big deal in the whole context in my mind, which is wrong, has a bigger impact in a physical realm than nirvana.

Really? Like, wow. You see what I mean?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, I was also thinking.

[Говорящий 1]
So I don't know. And I'm just like, really? You know what I mean?

It's pretty wild. Could you restate that? Yeah, I'm not so clear about what you're saying.

No, I mean, the goal of the whole school appears to be reaching nirvana, I think, right? So then what we just heard now in this class is, you don't have a photographic, a cosmic photograph hanging around you when you reach nirvana, but you have one when you take a layman vow. Right, because it's an absence?

No, I'm not talking about absences. It's just, I'm struggling to take that in. Why do you get a picture when you take a vow, not when bigger things happen?

Yes. Thank you. No, if I had to say, if I was in a debate, I'd say because that's the root of the other attainments.

[Говорящий 2]
The root of other attainments?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, that's how you get to nirvana. You keep your vow. You stop hurting other people.

Well, anyway, I mean, there's a, and maybe then, you know, now I'm going back to my own thinking. Maybe if we sometimes struggle to rejoice in something, rejoice in the photograph that you can see. If you think you are not, didn't do anything good that day.

I think we all have a moral, if moral people, I think, have a, have an, moral people have a feeling that everyone's watching them. That's called Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, right? Being moral for your own self-esteem and being moral because other people are watching you.

So I think the idea of a photograph follows pretty easily from those two. Cool. People are watching.

Thank you.

[Говорящий 3]
You know, may I offer another comment? I've been focusing. Thank you.

I've been focusing on the verse in the Source of All My Good about grant me to give the greatest care to make the vows of morality the essence of my practice. They are the root of the Buddha's teachings and the cause that gives me both the attainments. Grant me then a fierce resolve to master them and keep them with my pledges most pure.

So we know that with vows, perhaps it's suggested that we will achieve the ultimate goal of Buddhahood and possibly easier with the vows as the foundation of all of our thoughts, words, and deeds. So maybe that's why the idea of an aura or a light adheres to this form with that focus.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you. Timothy. Timothy.

I put an accent over it like Timothee Chalamet. That's how I changed my name. So when we were talking about this idea of switching genders and then switching into different vows, what got me thinking about is how much of our identity is based in gender and gender expression and moving into other practice.

If you're doing an emptiness meditation and you're thinking about yourself, how ingrained is your gender in who you think you are and how self-existent is it? Because it feels pretty self-existent. I have a lot of friends who have questioned their genders.

How does that play out in someone's understanding of emptiness, the emptiness of themself? So it's neat to think about, even in the Vinaya, that these questions come up.

[Говорящий 3]
Something similar. I'm going to speak loud so people won't hear it. Something similar.

What occurred to me, even at that time, because I'm thinking, what's that?

[Говорящий 1]
500 BC.

[Говорящий 3]
Where you're actually considering this in such a high practice. When you decide to take this vow at that point, it's a high practice. You even consider that this could happen.

To me, beyond the physical aspect, is that, do they consider this? Because there is a subtle practice. More than the physical.

It's more that subtle engagement to that practice. I really like that idea that it's actually even considered. I feel like the details and perhaps just the nuances, they're not as important as the essence of the vow.

That's why probably they can be put together. But that idea that there is a consideration to switching. And that there is a subtle, which I can't explain now, I'm trying to wrap my head around it, as to why that was there.

[Говорящий 1]
There's also in the Abhidharma, in the second chapter, there is 22 powers, 22 forces within the human being. Two of them are male and female forces. All living beings have both male and female forces.

It's not a question, are you male or female? It's a question of what percent you have. And then a Buddha supposedly has perfected both.

They're completely male and female. Can I say Buddha is more male than any normal man? Yeah, I guess so.

Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
Someone has their hand raised on mine. It's time for the news.

[Говорящий 1]
Time for the news, you guys.

[Говорящий 2]
Let's continue in our next class.

[Говорящий 1]
Thanks for doing this. Her first text is making good progress. And it's really nice.

Thank you. Thank you. What can I say?

Thank you, Tim, for hosting us. Thank you, Geshe-la, for teaching us. Thank you, Xiaoping, for all the work you're doing with this text and many other things, really.

So, thank you. I guess that's what I can say first. Yeah, I also had some things in the discussion, but probably we won't have time for that.

My only question was, is it possible to reach freedom without wanting to reach freedom? You cannot reach it by accident, it seems to me. Because...

No, because... Check this out. Check this out.

Even if you are well behaving, but you are knowing it as pratimoksha, apparently then, I mean, if you are not hurting anyone, but only because you're meditating and that's not considered pratimoksha, so it almost seems that only you can reach it, only if you're trying. It's not that, oh, one day, for some reason, you had a good year, you behaved very well, and then you are free by accident, almost. So, it's interesting to me.

Apparently, it has to be only very well-intentioned. If I get into the meaning of the word pratimoksha, and the Tibetans chose sosor, which means individual, but it also means tongbor, which means first freedom. And then there's, they'll go off on a long thing about that, about first freedom.

First? Yeah, and then there's huge debates about, what about the second day that you're a monk? It's not first freedom anymore.

Because sometimes the freedom is interpreted as freedom from the state of not having vows. See? Freedom from the state of not having vows.

Then when you take the first five minutes that you take a vow, you have been pratimoksha.

[Говорящий 3]
So, there are many kinds of freedoms.

[Говорящий 1]
Freedom from not having vows. And there's a big debate going to come. Okay.

But it relates to what you said. All right. Awesome.

Okay. So, let's go real quick through. Now, I'm very happy because that's here with us.

Look at that. We have a live tech table here. Yeah.

And I think Francisco is going to be around very soon also. So, it's going to be the full tech table. I'm taking over this house.

They're going to have a Mexican flag on top. They are planning a party they haven't told Tim about yet. Oh, well.

He was distracted. Maybe. I don't know.

We hope. All right. Well, let's do it.

The cats have cameras. Yeah. Okay.

So, just a quick review for some events that are coming up very soon. As a reminder, the biggest and most important one. I'm just kidding.

But it's the upcoming one, really. It's on Monday. We are celebrating the Asian New Year.

You know it's very interesting in the Asian traditions. Many of them, they celebrate the New Year's accordingly with the moon cycles. So, because of the counts of so many moons and stuff, this one happens to be on January the 29th.

But here in the United States, because we wanted to catch up with them, we're going to be celebrating it on January the 28th. So, everybody's welcome. Rob Hagerty already confirmed.

We can use the Peachtree Cafe. We can have a dinner party there. So, everyone here is welcome.

Come join us. And everyone online, you can watch from your house. What's cooking, Juan?

No, I think the restaurant. Eugene is cooking. We'll see.

But come. It's going to be very fun. We're going to be celebrating cool projects and very fun things.

I don't know where is Chloe, but she's preparing something special for all of us. Oh, she's still in Florida? Chloe, hope you come soon.

All right, all right. And then after this, we're going to start getting ready for the Bhagavad Gita, which is the next picture. Happening from the 6th to the 10th.

Yeah, everything seems to be getting ready. I don't know where is Konila, but we thank you for what you're doing. And we wish you a lot of success.

Then, Diamond Mountain is having a Valentine's event. But yeah, yeah, yeah. We also hope them the best.

And yeah, yeah. No javelinas, no rattlesnakes. Bring your own.

Or maybe you can meet someone that I don't know. Or a girlfriend. I don't know.

And what's coming up? Oh yeah, then there is a very cool tree plan to go to the desert in Dunhuang and the Dunhuang caves. And that's also very, very interesting to me.

Exciting as well. You can join the Telegram chat. Chloe is also helping with that.

Stanley is in charge. But Chloe is doing the, how do you say? Service?

How do you say? Custom service? Yeah, she's helping.

If Diamond Mountain has too many trees for you, come to Dunhuang. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, just follow the chat and there more information will be delivered.

And then after the desert in Dunhuang, we go to the desert in Buhui, Arizona. So yeah, there is going to be also very, very cool. It's so cool that all the places are sold out.

Now you have to camp mostly. Or they will find a place for you in town. So you can follow the QR code.

And Tim has some important news to say about it. What do you want to say, Tim? So just real quickly, if you're not able to make it to Diamond Mountain, the online program, of course, is available.

And the Five Houses is kicking off a very special program this year. Which will also, the content of that will be a requirement for the cool content that might be coming out in the Diamond House in 2026. So very soon the online registration will be available.

And we're also going to be having two local events. So you can come to a retreat if you can't make it to Diamond Mountain. We haven't determined exactly where yet.

But one will probably be in Turkey. And one's going to be somewhere in Asia. And we all can go to those?

And everyone can go to those as well. Very soon we'll have information about those registrations.

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Amazing.

[Говорящий 1]
I hear Turkey's very cool. And we'll be broadcasting Geshe Michael from Diamond Mountain into those events live. So it's going to be a really cool new thing for the Five Houses.

Awesome. Awesome. Thank you, Tim.

So there you go. There you know. Now you know you can also register for this wonderful event.

Let me see. Oh yeah. And then July we have a weekend in Mexico.

So that's going to be also very, very fun. I always like going to Mexico. Very, very cool.

It's very fun. Great friends over there. Yeah.

All the best people are there. Mostly. I mean there are a few other places too.

Anyways. And then because we are very happy that our friends are visiting. Some of our friends are visiting from all over the world.

We would like to invite Maria really quickly to tell us a little bit of what she has been doing. And what is she going to do as well. Because I hear Maria and Peter are in the process of a very, very exciting next three months.

I don't know if you want to talk about that. But you can tell us first how are you. How long are you going to be here in the United States.

And what you've been doing lately. Maybe let's say in the last three months. And where are you going to be.

You see six months total. The last three months.

[Говорящий 3]
Today. Hi everyone. Hi.

We are really happy to be in Sedona. It's really special for us to be here. We try to come several times a year.

And this time we come to get teachings. And we are enjoying so much to be students. Again.

And we are happy to be here. What we were doing is we were teaching. And I wanted to tell about the last teachings we did before we came here.

Which was about two weeks ago or ten days ago. We did a weekend in Vienna. An offline event.

And 170 people came from the whole Europe. And I don't know. A couple of thousand people were watching online.

And it was called spiritual partnership. And what we did is a very interesting thing. Geshe Michael finished recently the translation of Jetsun Gapa's book.

Elimination of the true thought. And quietly I was following his translation. And started to translate that into Russian language.

I think I finished about 5%. It's a huge book. And it's a difficult text.

But we took that text. And did a spiritual partnership talk. Based on that.

On the introduction basically to the whole thing. Which was about compassion. I just wanted to show you.

And we made a manual. And this is your book with Russian translation.

[Говорящий 1]
We have the picture.

[Говорящий 3]
So we gave each participant the introduction. First 5% of the book. With all the languages.

Tibetan, English and Russian. And connected it to spiritual partnership. And this is the photo.

You can see it here. Photo from the event in Vienna. This is for you, Geshe-la.

That was our gift. Thank you for translating and doing all these things.

[Говорящий 1]
Who is the dead body? I thought it was too difficult. It is.

[Говорящий 3]
Because everyone says it's very difficult. But we told them to read before going to sleep.

[Говорящий 1]
So what language this course was taught in?

[Говорящий 3]
It was English and Russian. And German also online translation.

[Говорящий 1]
Wow. Wonderful. So you had three languages simultaneously.

And about 100 people live.

[Говорящий 3]
170 in Vienna. And 2000 people were watching online.

[Говорящий 1]
2000? That's amazing. Congratulations.

Thank you very much. There is another thing. There are some friends who have created a very interesting project.

It's like a Telegram chat support group. That they have been telling me about. We would like to hear a little bit about that.

For that, I think Gina was about to help us to spotlight. A few people that have been creating this. And they want to share with us what they are doing.

And invite people if they can participate. Hello. How are you?

We cannot hear you. They are not talking. Can you hear me?

The reason why we are here really. Is because of this beautiful guy. Apparently his name is Brooklyn.

And then here our friends are going to tell us. What's the story about this guy.

[Говорящий 3]
Can I talk in Russian? And Maria, maybe you will translate us. Natasha.

Okay. Okay. Hello.

We are students. We are students.

[Говорящий 2]
And it happened that. We have different chats. Different channels.

Where we can. Talk about.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
We need some help to help people. Different helps. Not just financial helps.

Any kinds of helps. And we received a lot of requests. For different kinds of help.

Not just financial. Finding a teacher. Helping with different kinds of projects.

We decided to organize this together. So we created this platform. This huge space.

Several people of us. Natalia. And other people that we created.

Different channels. Different kinds of requests for this platform. Planting seeds.

We have a slide. You see here a slide? It's a picture of...

[Говорящий 1]
Well, I live here with a dog.

[Говорящий 2]
Dog? Okay. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
What's the story with the dog?

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, that's what I was asking.

[Говорящий 2]
Why the stories of dog, yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
Okay, we can back dog here. Hi, Geshe-la. Hello, Geshe-la.

[Говорящий 2]
We're super happy to see you.

[Говорящий 3]
Basically, yeah. We... In Russian.

We had a problem. We had a problem. We couldn't post all the requests, but we really wanted to help people.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, we couldn't... We couldn't post all the requests, the money we collected, but we really wanted to help people.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, and we listened to you, Geshe-la, on how to make the problem a masterpiece.

[Говорящий 2]
But we heard you, Geshe-la, how to make... how to transform the problem into a masterpiece. And we created a space where we connect people who can help and who want to help, and who do have problems, but they don't have any other resources to get help.

And also we've started with super-practices, finding the karmic partners. And I'll give the floor to Lyudmila, who is the boss in this project, who can tell more.

[Говорящий 3]
Yes, we do have a lot of people who come to us with different kinds of help, and the problem is that they don't know how to receive their help.

[Говорящий 2]
And this is why we created this program, this platform, where we're connecting people who need help and people who want to help. And very often there's a request regarding the financial help. Maybe it's related to health, maybe it's getting a training, maybe it's meeting with a teacher, maybe it's helping travel somewhere else.

It's mostly of them regarding the financial help. And also we're trying to help in the context of their request, so that the people who participate understand it's not just help, they need to understand how to use this wisdom, helping others.

[Говорящий 1]
So basically, this is like a support group, right? Mostly, as far as I understand, everything is in Russian language, but if you speak Russian language, you can just go and find the kind of community, either you as a supporter or a person requesting support in many different forms.

[Говорящий 2]
Correct? Yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah, and there's a lot of people that was asking us about English.

Can we do this in English?

[Говорящий 3]
They say they were asked to do it also in English, but they don't have enough resources. And maybe this interview, they can find somebody who can help them with English speaking.

[Говорящий 1]
Maybe you find someone, I don't know. We want to know about the dog.

[Говорящий 2]
Yes, everyone wants to know about the dog.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, that was the. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah. So this was the, this is the story about the dog.

[Говорящий 3]
The connection between dog, Natasha and Juan. Yes. Absolutely.

[Говорящий 1]
You've always seen his smile.

[Говорящий 2]
What's wrong with him?

[Говорящий 3]
Brooklyn. Okay. Dog is called Brooklyn.

It's there. Yeah. And so she needed a help.

So this is the dog, Natasha's dog. And the dog needed an operation. The dog was sick.

Brooklyn. So everyone in that community decided they loved the dog so much, they wanted to help, and they did help. That's how Natasha got into community, and now they're here.

That's the story.

[Говорящий 1]
Brooklyn. He lived. Brooklyn.

Brooklyn. So thank you. Thank you so much for doing these kind of projects.

Is there anything you want to say, Natasha, about how happy Brooklyn is now?

[Говорящий 2]
Yes. I actually wanted to say thank you so much for doing this project, because it's not just about getting the financial help. It's also people learning how to use four steps, you know, and any projects, not just getting in touch with the teacher, traveling, getting training.

A lot of people getting the TT training because of these projects, getting equipment. Like, we connected people with computers so they can do translation. A lot of translators lost their computers or anything.

So anything you can imagine, there is in this platform many, many channels. And people are so conscious and so kind. So I think it's beyond just getting the financial help.

It's how we connect the wisdom. Everything Geshe-la teaches us, getting back to people and getting even bigger, spreading this knowledge, spreading this wisdom to everyone. That's true.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you so much for doing this.

[Говорящий 3]
Thank you. We will be happy to continue doing this.

[Говорящий 2]
And so that's the whole point of this presentation. Thank you so much.

[Говорящий 1]
And we wish you the best. Thank you for sharing. And soon, later, not soon, but later, we can keep following up to see how it's going.

[Говорящий 3]
OK, sounds good. Thank you so much. We love you.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you. Best wishes.

[Говорящий 3]
Very good idea. I want to help promote this among all Russian-speaking people. Send me a message.

Thank you so much, Maria. Thank you so much.

[Говорящий 1]
Yes, and come to the New Year. You can sign up there. OK, see you Monday.

Have a great weekend. Bye. Thank you.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you, everyone.