Сугэн Ши — Книга 2: Колесо жизни (первый принцип и подразделения зависимости), занятие 59

[Speaker 1]
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Okay. It's time. Xu Gang, you ready with the quiz?

Yes, I do. Is the professor Geshe Michael here? I'm not sure.

I have not seen him yet. The maître de maîtres, jefe de jefes. How do you say the boss of bosses in Chinese?

I think so. I think you can say that. Boss of bosses.

Yeah, the boss of the boss. Sounds good. Joey did that.

You're looking good, Xu Gang. I like those new glasses. Yeah, this is mine.

Yeah, I got this from Walmart. Geshe loves on touching. Oh, really?

I don't know. I went to Walmart and then I needed glasses for my computer and I got this and yeah, here I am. Oh, that's the boss.

I saw the boss. There he is. Xu Gang, you look like George Clooney today.

Oh, wow. Is that a compliment? I'm not sure if it's a compliment.

I gotta think about it. Okay, those are Rinpoche glasses he's got. You got any comments, Nick?

I shared everything I had. I think I'm good to leave it to you guys now. I was just encouraging people to subscribe to the Good Night Club.

Take it away, Xu Gang, with your magical homework. Okay, let me do a little bit of homework. Yeah, we didn't cover much previously last month.

I mean, we sort of reviewed what we have done, so we didn't have much new topic, but I managed to pick up some questions from previous discussions. I hope people still remember what are the two topics we need to explore to go deeper when we talk about our consciousness as the third link of the wheel according to Master Vasubandhu? Papi and Seminoles.

So, I think this is a tricky question, right? Okay, so be careful. Of course, it's from you.

Yeah, I mean, so according to Master Vasubandhu, if we want to go deeper on the third link of the wheel, which is consciousness, what are the two topics we need to explore? We need to understand. Somebody said something or no.

Okay, anybody wants to guess? Consciousness and contact. No, the master didn't say that.

Remember, this is a trick question. It's a question. Yes, venerable Utpala Godin.

I'm sorry, I just have to pick this up because, I mean, the master, Master Vasubandhu did say that, so yeah. Thank you, venerable, for enjoying my joke. I mean, I'm sorry, but I like it.

Why did the Buddha teach some people about the natures of consciousness as being six or eight or even just one? Anybody want to try? Students of different capacities?

Students of different capacities. I heard that. Yeah, it depends on the audience in different locations, or we can say that it depends on whom you are teaching, or we are teaching.

Then my answer to question one is correct. It's a different audience. Okay, okay, yeah, by logic, yes.

By inference, your answer was correct. I'm sorry. Sagan, where are you?

Sagan, are you in Singapore? No, I'm in Jambi. Jambi, that's where Atisha was, right?

Yes, we visited the location. We are here, yeah, and then we sort of explored the place, and then we did some teaching, and yeah, people are pretty excited. You must be the reincarnation of Atisha.

I don't know. I didn't do anything. I'm sorry.

I didn't do anything. That's a big responsibility. Why are we using the sense power to name the consciousness?

Why are we? Lindsay has an answer.

[Speaker 3]
One is because it's simpler, like you have fewer senses than all the possible things you could perceive, so it's easier to talk about it coming from your eyes versus, and then...

[Speaker 1]
It makes it easier to name them. Yeah, I mean, he did say that, but I think Venerable Upala got the answer, because the consciousness needs a trigger, and they are the principal trigger of the consciousness. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I just tried to dig the old text, or rather what we have done before, and I think it serves as a good recollection of what we learned. Okay, I sort of use back the same Tibetan words. What is tunmong?

Common? Shared. Tim said common.

Yeah. Tim said shared. Yeah, they are pretty much similar.

How about manyam? Not degenerated. That's right, unbroken.

And kicaduk? Six senses. Six senses.

Yeah, you are overqualified, Nick. Yeah. Yeah.

I had coffee, so I got excited. Okay, cool. All right, well Geshe-la, I had some attempted translation, and let me show you.

I didn't need this money. I can probably take it. Okay.

We stop here. This is where we stop. Okay.

Okay, so we are talking about whether there are contradictions here. In the sutra, we said that the second link of fresh karma is a trigger, whereas we talk about the... And then on the other texts, we said that the consciousness is triggered by...

I mean our awareness is triggered by something else, by our sense power.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So we are in this conundrum now. Okay, conundrum. So should I read first?

Yes, please. Okay. kyewa ngeparab tu tenpey chir nyi la ten ne nampar shepa she sung so Okay, gompa thaday.

Yeah. The big discussion that we're going to have today is that the Wheel of Life goes in a certain order, one, two, three, four, to twelve. And number two is Potter, Harry Potter.

Oh, fresh karma. Fresh karma. And then number three is consciousness.

So that would imply that the cause of consciousness is... the main cause is fresh karma. Okay, because in the Wheel of Life, each one is supposed to be the trigger of the next one.

So that's teaching that the trigger of consciousness is the fact that you have fresh karma. Not even karma that's open yet. All right?

In the Wheel of Life, that's the order. So what comes just before consciousness is? Fresh karma.

Yeah, so you would think that that was the cause of consciousness, and you would think that you might use that to name consciousness. Okay? But in fact, consciousness is triggered by the object.

Right? Yes. Okay?

In this school, okay? And we're going to be talking about three triggers for consciousness, for number three. There are three triggers.

This whole discussion in the next few pages, we're going to talk about three triggers for consciousness. And then the argument is, why did Lord Buddha put consciousness number three after fresh karma? It doesn't make sense.

If it's a cause and effect chain reaction, then it should have been the object, or the attention to the object should be triggering the consciousness. So we're going to get this big argument. Okay, so here it goes.

So we have two separate ideas going on here. DBANG PO DANG LDAN NGES PAS When you identify the DBANG PO, which is what? The sense power, like the eye power, like the eye.

E-Y-E, right? Like the eye. And when you identify the LDAN here means YOD, object, okay?

Then that should have been link number two. Okay, because that's the object of consciousness, and that's the sense power. And that's what triggers a consciousness.

It's the sense power, your eyeball, and the object, the color, which triggers the consciousness. So why did Lord Buddha say fresh karma is in the link, is the link just before consciousness? And then he says GOM PA THA DE.

It's two different points they're trying to make, okay? The two systems has two different points. Two cause and effect systems for consciousness.

One, put something in front of your face and you make contact with it, a consciousness will grow. Then that would imply that link number two should have been blue and eyeball. Because the next link is consciousness, you see what I mean?

Blue and eyeball triggers awareness of blue. Okay, so it should have been link number two. And then our author says, no, no, no.

That's not the angle we're looking at. We're not looking at consciousness from that angle here. There's two different ways to present what causes consciousness.

What does cause consciousness? Karma, or the consciousness of your past life creates the consciousness of this life. Why do you have an eye consciousness?

You see what I mean? So you can say it's karma. You can say it's consciousness of the life before or the moment before.

You can say it's the object and the sense power without which you cannot have an eye consciousness. Okay, so he says, when you're talking about the DBANG PO and the DON, meaning the DBANG PO and the YUL, meaning the sense power and this object, which creates the eye consciousness, then that's why the SKYE BA, that's why the six consciousnesses arise. NYID LA BRTEN NAS RNAM PAR BSHAD PA So then Lord Buddha said, NYID LA BRTEN NAS RNAM PAR BSHAD PA which means what?

Those two are the base of the consciousness. Yeah, consciousness depends on those two. Meaning consciousness arises from those two.

What's those two? The sense power and the RNAM PAR. Blue and your eyeballs.

Blue and your eyes, okay? Blue and your eyes, okay? Lord Buddha in the scripture, in the sutra said, eye consciousness arises from two things.

You put something in front of it and then you have a sense power to detect that thing and that triggers consciousness. And then our guy's saying, well then why did you put fresh karma before consciousness in the wheel? Isn't it a cause and effect wheel?

Okay, got it? And we say, look, it's just two different systems. GONG PA THA DE It's two different systems, okay?

No problem. Never a problem in my life. I could use that, Stevie Wonder.

Okay, let's read this one, Sugeng. You read. This point can be expressed by the following verse.

I only ask you to give me the sense of DE DAG here. Of self? From the self?

No, that's not the spelling for self. Those two? Yeah, those two.

This is the dual in Sanskrit. Don't forget, we're dealing with a Sanskrit text that was translated in Tibetan, rushed or poorly or by a drunk guy, and then we lost the Sanskrit. So we're stuck with this really odd translation.

So he says, DUN DE DAG means here. DUN means meaning. Those two points are expressed in the following verse.

What two points have we had so far? Well, it might be that there's two ways to explain how consciousness is triggered. Number one, in the wheel, by karma.

And number two, by general conversation in sutra, by the object and the sense power. The awareness is triggered by the object and the sense power. If you have an eyeball and if you have a color blue out there, it will trigger a consciousness.

But that's the non-wheel-of-life system. Wheel-of-life system. Your karma is responsible for the consciousness.

Both of them are... Can we say they don't contradict each other? I think I'd say they don't contradict each other.

Now, hopefully, the next siksa chepa, means the next verse that comes up here, is going to express that, maybe. Let's see. I'm not sure it does.

Here we go. Yeah, good. Please read the Tibetans again, since your pronunciation...

Before Wood started teaching his students, yours was the best. Nice, okay. What's the two fives?

It says here two fives, two sets of fives. Yeah, I mean set of powers and sets of objects. Five powers and five objects.

Yeah, five types of objects. Visible things, hearable things, smellable things, tasteable things, touchable things. And then the five sense powers.

Eye, ear, nose, tongue, and skin. The two fives. And the ni, wangpo nam.

The sense powers, wangpo, relate to the duns. Dun here, throughout this conversation, means... Dun here, throughout this conversation.

Dun here. You, good.

[Speaker 3]
Objects.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.

Whichever one is connected to that. Class starts at eight o'clock. Okay.

We should lock the door at 7.15. So we won't get these amateurs coming. Okay, sit down somewhere. There's some places here.

Okay. Ah, kang gi de ni, de ni, de. It takes us an object.

drukpa kye je ni yin no. drukpa kye je. Sense door of the sixth.

Yeah, so he's trying to say there's two grand divisions of sense powers. One is the set of the first five. And one is the sixth.

Okay. Sense power number... Consciousness number six sees how much stuff.

Consciousness number six sees how much stuff. Consciousness number six sees everything. Everything else.

Consciousness number six sees everything that the first five sees. Got it? Right?

Am I right? So he says there's two. There's two.

Okay. Well, you can take the first five, or you can take the sixth, but they see the same number of sense objects. Okay.

They do. First five don't see everything. I said sense objects.

I knew you were going to say that. I'll say it again. The five consciousnesses of the senses, physical senses, they see a certain batch of stuff.

But the sixth consciousness, which is the awareness of the senses, also sees the same batch, just a millisecond later. And it sees everything you're thinking about. Now, if you're an Abhidharma scholar like Stanley, you could point to a kind of rupa, or form, which is not perceived by the first five, which is perceived by the sixth.

Your aura? The vows in your aura? Yeah, you could say that.

Or you could say a dream, in a dream when you see colors and shapes. See, those are visual objects, but they are only perceived by the sixth consciousness. They're not perceived by the first five consciousness.

Cool? So basically, any thoughts in your mind that's not represented by a physical object? He's not even talking about dossier.

He's talking about physical perceptions, perceptions of physical stuff. Either you can use your five senses, or you can use your mental sense, the next moment, which perceives the objects of the five senses. The next moment.

When you smell, hear, taste, smell, blah blah stuff, in the next moment you're aware that you're doing that. So you see the same objects again in the next moment, but you see them with your eyes closed. That's memory.

It is, kind of, yeah. They wouldn't call it memory. They'd say it's the first mental perception of those objects.

Even the sense powers are a millisecond behind, because the blue was there a millisecond before. It took time for the color to get to the eyeball. Okay?

Okay, all right, cool. All right, Sugeng. It's a nice argument.

It's interesting, I think. Geshe-la, I still don't understand the second and the third line. How should I read this?

Some are established by their objects, and sometimes the objects are established by them. Sometimes the sense powers are established according to their objects, and sometimes you can say the objects are established according to what sense power sees them. Okay.

There are so many nyi here. What does this, what do these nyi mean here? Here it just means those very ones.

Those same ones. The objects, or the yuls, are established by the powers, and the powers are established by the objects. And they're all established by the sixth consciousness.

Okay? Okay, really, there's two big divisions. Perceiving physical stuff with your senses, and perceiving physical stuff in the next millisecond with your mind watching your senses.

Cool? Okay. And that's the nyi here, which is very difficult.

That's the two sets here. No, the G-N-Y-I-S. G-N-Y-I-S.

That's the two. That's the two. First five, and then the final sixth.

And those are the two. Those are the two ways to see blue. Okay, you can see blue with your eye, with your eye consciousness, or you can see blue with your awareness that you saw blue a moment before.

Okay? Two ways to see blue. But neither one is, hundred dollar question, neither one is sense powers.

Whether you say it's the sense powers, or the objects that appear to the sense powers, or whether you say that it's the five sense powers themselves appearing as an object to the sixth awareness, the sixth consciousness, your mental awareness, it doesn't jive with, it doesn't fit with... It doesn't jive with karma then creating karma. Karma, a hundred dollars for guessing.

It doesn't jive with the Wheel of Life explanation, which says that consciousness is triggered by fresh karma. Not even ripe karma, which is really weird, you know. Fresh karma can't grow anything.

It's like saying you got a sandhya in the spring. Seriously, that's fresh karma. That's sanskara.

It's not vasana. It doesn't make sense. Okay, got it?

The guy's not crazy. Somebody's upset. How the hell could you say that link number three comes from link number two?

Why don't you say link number three comes from the object and the sense power? Consciousness comes from the object and the sense power. That would make more sense, Lord Buddha.

I don't like the twelve links. Why'd you put fresh karma that's not even ready to grow anything yet, and then you put consciousness? That's weird, you know.

Can anybody for a hundred dollars... Now I wake up, this guy's sad. Can anybody for a hundred dollars connect number three to number two karmically?

Triggers. I want a particular word. I'm looking for a particular word, or two words, or three words.

Disembodied triggers? What separates three from two generally? Number four is a clue, Nick.

Number four is a clue. The boat, with the two guys. The next life and the last life.

Hey, Stanley, how you doing? The body and mind. Oh, so from the clue of three to four, which is traveling to the next life in your boat.

Body and mind in the boat, right? The two dudes in the boat. That's number four.

Body, rupa, rupa? Nama. Nama rupa.

Nama rupa is link number four. It's your body and mind entering into your next life. What comes just before that?

Your mind entering your next life. Is link number two, does it make sense now according to three and four? Yeah, I would think so.

Yeah, hell, we're talking about your mind as a creation of karma from your past life. That's cause and effect. We're not talking about you see a pizza in this life.

We're not saying the object triggers the consciousness. That's not, boy, that's not the wheel's about. The wheel's about lifetimes.

Got it? We can look at consciousness as something created by your past lives, or we can look at consciousness as something created by a pizza in the present moment, or a cinnamon roll. I don't know why my mind's on that all the time.

Okay, got it? Both are valid. The point here is both are valid.

Both are valid. He says gompa thad de. Both are, they're separate and they're valid.

You can look at consciousness either way. Number three consciousness is traditionally explained as consciousness moving across from one life to another. Okay, cool.

[Speaker 2]
So at that time there's no sense-power consciousness?

[Speaker 1]
Not really. I don't think so, unless it's memory or something. You know, like I saw a pizza in my past life.

No, such a thing is possible. Oh, by the way, okay Sugeng, we're on to a new subject. Yeah, so I would like to share your screen from here.

All right, let me let grandpa come on the screen. Thank you. Thank you Sugeng, I always enjoy your class.

Thank you Geshe-la for the honor. Actually, by the way, Sugeng and Seiji always translate their class. Among all the, among all the different...

That's my yoga student thing, Hatha Yoga Pradipika. Let's see, where is he here? Where are you?

That's a bundle, here we go. And let's try this. This might blow up everything.

Nope. Hang on just a sec Sugeng. Okay, I call this...

Nope, that's not, that's a different one. Where are you? Dang, hang on.

Okay, here we go. All right, we gotta go back up here somewhere. Right?

I'm too far, right?

[Speaker 2]
All right, here we go.

[Speaker 1]
Let me get these guys out of the way. Who wants to look at, who wants to look at Nick and Ben? Hey Nick, did you go surfing today?

Not today. Yesterday I had an amazing session though. It was a perfect wave.

Cargabellas. All right. Okay, here we go.

Who's going to read, Sugeng? This is a nice little sentence for somebody. Okay.

Okay, let me look at online. Ah, I see Oscar who just, I think, back from India. You're right, Oscar?

You're right, Sugeng. All right. Hey Sugeng, look, his head is going like that already.

What's that? Congratulations, Oscar. Congratulations, Oscar.

I'm going for your study. Congratulations. Let's see if you learn anything.

Oh man.

[Speaker 2]
He can make the salt tea.

[Speaker 3]
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, sorry.

[Speaker 1]
He can is what KFC serves. Just kidding. Okay.

Now a very interesting topic coming up. If you have an object, okay? A yul, right?

Or dun. And if you have a sense power, can you have a perception? Yeah, not necessarily.

Roni, why?

[Speaker 3]
You need the karma to do it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, well you need the karma, or maybe you just didn't look at the thing. Okay, let's say I have an eyeball. Yes.

Is there a coffee cup over on the other side here? Yes. Is there a visual perception of a coffee cup?

No. No, because I didn't direct my mind to it. I didn't direct my mind to it.

I'm not focusing on it. That's called yula chepa. So we can throw in another cause of consciousness.

Not just the object. And not just the presence of a sense power. But the sense power has to be directed to the object.

And then somebody says, well how about that? Isn't that a cause of consciousness? Now we got a huge discussion.

What causes consciousness? Is it the Wheel of Life version? Which is?

Karma. Fresh karma. Or is it, you know, a normal Abhidharma version?

Object and sense power. And he says, no, none of the above. It's thinking about the thing.

It's turning your mind to the thing. Yula chepa. Oh my god, these guys.

Hi, yula chepa ni. You guys got to make sure they sit down somewhere, okay? They don't have to stand up.

Okay. Okay, yula chepa ni. What's rikmi yewa, you guys?

Again, what do you think? Riks with an S. I...

I don't know. System? Don't get out of the limits of land unknown.

But where are they now?

[Speaker 2]
In which one?

[Speaker 1]
What is that? Rikmi yewa means we don't... Which means it's type, isn't it?

We don't divide by type. Here type means eyes, ears, nose, tongue. We don't divide by type, okay?

If you have attention, if you have focus, it's a cause of consciousness. It's generic. You need it for your eyes.

You need it for your nose. You need it for your brain. You need to turn the attention to the object, okay?

That's a necessary cause or factor in the creation of any consciousness, okay? Somebody has to decide to look at the thing. You can have an eyeball that's working and you can have a colored cup, but if you don't draw your attention to it, if you don't drive your sense power to the object, nothing's going to happen.

But that sense power is generic, right? We don't say eye sense power. I'm sorry, the turning of the attention is generic.

You don't say, oh, it's a blue turning of attention, or it's turmeric turning of attention, or smell. It's just general. Turning of attention fits into all sense movements, but it's generic.

It tastes the same for every sense power. The fact of turning your attention to the object is the same. There's no divisions.

We don't say visual, auditory, gustatory, okay? Right? Cool?

That's what it means here. mi nyewa. tam chi yi kyen, it's a chicken.

chi yi kyen. Yeah, it's a general condition that accompanies all movements of sense powers. Turning the mind to the object of the senses is a general condition that accompanies all sense perceptions.

Cool? There's no divisions to it, necessarily. Cool?

By the way, tiny little sentences, unbelievably difficult. Who came out of the closet? Oh, Master Vasubandhu.

Vasubandhu came out of the closet. He was a nice Abhidharma guy, like a grandpa. He was a grandpa of all Abhidharma, and he wrote this long, boring book called Abhidharma Kosha, which drove me crazy, it was so boring.

And then suddenly here's this missing book of the mind-only master who was in the closet, and he didn't mention mind-only once in the Abhidharma Kosha. It took me 12 years to learn it. He didn't mention mind-only once, but that was his real passion.

So here we have his real passion. And it's so interesting to meet the second guy. After he came out of the closet, he's like, guess who I am?

And you're like, wow. Who's up next again? Oscar can continue.

Yay, Oscar. YI LA BYAS PA'I KHYING KHYANG GSUNG SO Nice. I'm just playing around with this maybe being an exotic mistake.

Okay. I mean, it's possible, right? DBANG PO DANG SDUG BSNGAL DU ZING KHYANG DE SKYES DI LTA PA'I YI LA BYAS PA'I MED PA'I GZHUNG SNGON PA ZHIG PA'I GZHAG Hmm.

But then this would have to be negative, Nate. It'd have to say, well, anyway, here we go. You guys...

YOD DUS GZIN is an idiom, only word remembers it. Was. I didn't say idiom, I said idiom.

YOD DUS GZIN. YOD DUS GZIN. A word must have fallen off.

The object held right the second after. No, no, no, stop, stop. Okay, YOD DUS GZIN means it may already be the case.

It's an idiom. Okay, it's an ancient idiom. YOD DUS GZIN means it may already be the case.

Past tense-rizer, past participle-izer. It may have already occurred that, what? DBANG and DON YOD.

Don't forget DON here is YOD. Yeah, so it may, there may be cases where there's, look, where there's an eye-sense power and there's a visible object. Okay, there may be cases where they're both already there.

Okay, but what? You don't focus. If there's no focus, then you're not going to get a consciousness.

Okay, so, BDE SKYES BDE LTAG PA YIN. To say it grew, meaning my eye consciousness grew, started, triggered, was triggered, or, you know, it's examining its object, BUD LTAG PA. Okay, YIN.

I think it's got to be YUL LA BYAS PA. YUL LA BYAS PA means movement of the mind. There has to be a movement of the mind.

There has to be some kind of focus, focusing. Okay, and the other problem of this manuscript is it's very corrupt. And it's got exotic errors in it.

Okay, so YIN LA BYAS PA and YIN LA BYAS PA are completely different. Okay, MED PA'I PHYIR NAM PAR BSHAD PA MI KHYAD You can't have an awareness of the cup if... You can have an eyeball and you can have a colored cup, but you'll never have an awareness of a colored cup unless you draw your attention to it.

Okay, that's what he's trying to say here. The sentence is messed up. Okay, KHYAD PA YIN ZHIG BYED DU That's why Lord Buddha, SUNGS DGOS SUNGS, Lord Buddha spoke about YIN LA BYAS, bringing your mind to the object.

Yeah, and by the way, there you see the correct spelling, YIN LA BYAS, which makes me think the one above is mistaken. Okay, YIN LA BYAS. Okay, cool.

Geshe-la, do you want to put the MI, the supposedly missing MI there, MI KHYAD? I'm just going to make myself a note, okay? And then I'll make myself a note.

And that's the kind of thing I leave for Geshe-la later, so he can have headaches. But in a class... By the way, in a class is not the time to...

It's not the time to go searching the database if you can find the spelling somewhere. It would take a half hour or something, and it's not something you can do in a language class. I do it later when I do the final translation, and I spend hundreds of hours on it.

So you don't want to do that, trust me. Okay, all right. Okay, here we go.

Who's reading next again? The next graduate, Roksana. Wow, the overseas translation program worked.

Yay, nice job. I'm so happy for you guys. You and Oscar are going to kick butt in many future lives.

KHYAD PA means what? KHYAD BA means what? Birth.

KHYAD BA. Birth. It means birth, okay?

KHYAD BA SNGA MA means past life. KHYAD BA PHYI MA means next life. So KHYAD BA by itself means birth.

When you add an S, KHYAD PA. KHYAD PA means born. Born in the past, okay?

KHYAD, KHYAD. But when you add a D, what's it mean? It means to grow or to generate, okay?

So grow, you know, the tree grew doesn't imply someone was sitting there going, you know, like we do for other things. Okay? Just the tree grew, okay?

Then I grew it. No, if you say, I don't know, I grew some wheatgrass for my green drink, then that's K with a D. KHYAD.

Got it? You okay? Don't look so confused.

KHYAD PA PO NGOS SUM YOD PA versus KHYAD PA PO NGOS SUM MED PA Yeah, exactly. There's two Tibetan grammar terms, KHYAD PA PO NGOS SUM YOD PA, KHYAD PA PO NGOS SUM MED PA. It means a verb that implies the direct presence of a doer and a verb that does not imply the direct presence of a doer.

So K with a D means somebody's growing something. And K without the D means something grew up by itself. Got it?

Okay. So he says here, DE SKYES PA Okay? And the translator here had fun.

It's difficult. If we had the Sanskrit, it would be a lot easier. Okay?

The Tibetan translator said, DE SKYES PA And he added a B on it just for good measure. It makes it a transitive verb. I grew the plant, or I grew, I don't know, boogers or something.

Okay? DE SKYES PA CHEN ZHANG BA NA NGES PA'I TSUL GYI TSUL GYI We are... We are...

What do you say? We are detailing. We are specifying.

Okay? NGES PA'I TSUL GYI MED PA'I TSUL GYI We are specifying action. I grew the tree.

Not that the tree grew. Got it? Okay.

It's a verb for growing something. Something. Okay?

NGES PA'I TSUL GYI TSUL GYI DE SKYES PA CHEN PA SKYES PA CHEN PA Okay? And when you speak Tibetan, you give the D and the S. They are silent.

But you show them. Listen. SKYES SKYES SKYES SKYES Okay?

Which one is which? One is D, one is S. No, the long one is the short one.

Sorry. And it's more active, you see. SKYES I grew the tree.

Okay? And then SKYES The tree grew. Okay?

The active one is shorter. It's like boom. So, DE SKYES PA CHEN PA NI SKYES PA STE He's got it three times here with the D.

Okay? He says, we're talking about SKYES. Okay?

DE SKYES So that implies what? SKYES In a real sense, cause and effect. An object and a doer.

Okay? There's a guy and a tree. And you know, the guy's effort is the cause, and the tree growing is the effect.

When you add a D, it implies cause and effect. And it gets more wheelie. More wheel of life-y.

Okay? It gets more wheelie. Okay, got it?

You got it? Right? If I say the coffee cups over there, I'm thinking about it, you know, there's no big sense that that the coffee cup triggered my awareness.

Although it did. But there's no emphasis on that. But when you say the karma created the coffee cup, that's a big trigger thing.

That's a big wheel of life trigger thing. Got it? Okay?

So some perceptions, even of sense objects, are less active. And some are more. The object kind of, the object kind of talks the state of mind into growing in a gentle way.

But karma throws that thing into being. Okay? SKYES Got it?

You okay? Yes. Don't look so drugged up.

Okay. Here we go. It's kind of early, I know.

Okay, Sugen, who's next? Roksana can continue.

[Speaker 3]
DO DE GZHAN LAS PHYI KHAS THUG DE DRONG THUG SONG YANG SONG YANG RUNG DGON PAR SONG YANG RUNG STE DE NI KYI DIG PA NI MI DGE BA'I NAM PAR RTOGS PA MANG THUG KUN THUG BYUNG BA GANG YIN PA DE NI PHYI YID LA CHAGS PA KHYAD PAR NGUR RO Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Somebody worked hard in their foreign language studies. Thank you. Okay.

Again, congratulations, you guys. I know how many diarrheas you had for each word. God bless you.

It's not funny when you're there. Kind of runny. Not funny.

DO DE GZHAN LAS What's DO DE, Sugen? The sutra.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Other sutras have this kind of wording. Other sutras have this kind of wording. What kind of wording?

KHAS here doesn't mean language. It means wording. Other sutras have this kind of wording.

What kind of wording? DE DRONG THUG SONG It should be YANG, okay? And then in the next line, they messed it up again.

It should be SONG YANG, two times. Okay. They messed it up twice.

So we're dealing with a corrupt manuscript with a bad translation and a missing Sanskrit. It's fun. It's 2,500 years, 2,700 years old.

DRONG DU SONG YANG What's DRONG? We talked about DRONG THUG in our Hatha Yoga Pradipika class. Siri?

PO'A Why is it a synonym for PO'A? Did you move from place to place, body to body? No, there's two words for PO'A.

One is PO'A, which is moving to your next life. And one is DRONG DUG, which means entering the city. And entering the city is an ancient secret word for shifting your consciousness to a fresh corpse before everything rots.

Okay? Shifting your consciousness. You've got to change your consciousness.

You've got cancer. You know, some handsome guy dies. And you move your consciousness into it as soon as you can.

It's called DRONG DUG, entering the city. So DRONG means city or town. Okay, got it?

Nod sometimes. Even if you're asleep. If you're a real Geshe Michael student, you learn while you're asleep with your eyes open.

And then if you're a super Geshe Michael student, you learn to nod with your eyes open asleep. Not all the time. Just every few sentences.

Got it? DRONG means city. All right.

Whether you're going to a city or whether you're going to a gunpa, a monastery. Nowadays people corrupt. Westerners corrupt in gunpa.

I'm going to the gunpa. I'm going to the church. Something like that.

Okay. Whether you're going to the DRONG or whether you're going to the gunpa, yeah, whether you're walking through town or whether you're walking through the monastery, you still get a lot of DIG PA and MIG DGE BA NAM THOGS. Bad non-virtual thoughts.

You still have random thoughts about non-virtual stuff. That's a cute lady. I like the cinnamon rolls, you know.

Okay. That's called NAM THOGS. NAM THOGS means uncontrolled random thoughts.

Okay, NAM THOGS. It can also mean a suspicion, but that's not what it means here. NAM THOGS BSA PO means this guy's suspicious of everybody, even his mother.

It's spelled like this, Geshe-la? Exactly, yeah. This NAM THOGS, this one here means, you know, you wander through town.

Whether you're wandering through town or wandering through the monastery, you still have random bad thoughts popping up in your head. Okay, like maybe I could steal that guy's cinnamon roll or something like that, if you're in a monastery. Okay.

Got it? Not. Yes, Stanley's got it.

Okay. NAM THOGS MANG PO. MANG PO.

You get a lot of random thoughts coming up, okay. KUN DU BYUNG BA GANG YIN PA DE NI And then what happens is, PHYI, with an S. Later.

Then after those random thoughts pop up, you get BYAG PA. But here's the active form. BYAG PA Desire?

Yeah, you get desire. You start having desire, you know. Do you walk past the store three times?

A monk walks past Peachtree Cafe three times. They NAM THOGS about the cinnamon rolls. And then by the time they come back the fourth time, they have true desire for cinnamon rolls.

Okay. We'll study it, research. Okay, we'll go on a research trip.

Now, question for you. Question for you. Here's a scenario.

Vasubandhu threw it in randomly. You know, you're just strolling through the monastery, you're strolling through Rim Run, and you pass a sweet-smelling thing, and you, you know, you think about it a few times, and then you like strongly focus on it with desire, right? Okay.

Why did he throw that sentence into our discussion here?

[Speaker 2]
Because he was fighting about how the mind and the object, even though there's an object there, Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. You shouldn't wait till I offer some money. But there's no apperception.

Rob can't offer $100 to himself. Okay, got it? We're talking about the power of that third element.

What was the first two elements? The object and the sense power. And he says, look, if you don't have the third element there, it's difficult to talk about our consciousness arising.

Got it? Okay, there's that third element. Somebody said, oh, that's just generic, right?

That's just generic. That accompanies all sense perceptions. He refused to call it visual movement of the mind, or auditory movement of the mind.

He said, look, movement of mind is just general. It fits everything, you know. Then somebody comes back and says, hell, that's a powerful force.

Whether you're talking monks or whether you're talking non-monks, that's a powerful force. Thinking about random thoughts about the cinnamon roll is a powerful force. Movement of the mind is a powerful force.

Don't say it's not so. Don't say it, just leave it generic. It's powerful.

It's really powerful. Got it? Somebody threw that into the conversation.

Okay, cool. Cool, wow. What's the general point he's making?

There's many ways that consciousness can be triggered. It doesn't just have to be your past life karma. Okay, cool.

So the way of life, you know, take it for... Don't, you know, take it... Don't over fixate on the wheel of life.

When you talk about the causes of awareness, there's proximity of the object. There's proximity of attention. There's a proximity of a sense consciousness.

There's many factors, okay? It's not just your past karma. Cool?

All right. James, can you say it still doesn't contradict because all those things are coming from the... Absolutely, absolutely.

That's the punchline, probably coming about 100 pages. What did he say, Geshe-la? He said, actually, Daniel Garcia made a nice point that anyway, the object, the sense power, and the turning of the sense power to the object are all created by karma.

So he says his position is they're not contradicting. The two presentations of what triggers consciousness are completely fit each other. Because the interpretation that requires an object, the sense power, and the turning of the sense power to the object all assume karma pushing those things.

That's Daniel Garcia's. That's the Garcianist position. So it's a third and a half score, I think.

Okay. All right. Who's reading, Segen?

Don't pick... It's too boring. This guy, Oscar, they're too good.

Yeah, I start with Uta Shah. Oh, Uta, she's awesome.

[Speaker 3]
Hey, thank you. Thank you, guys. It's midnight, right?

[Speaker 1]
In Germany.

[Speaker 3]
No, but forgive the background noise. I had to jump into a cafe. So here I go.

[Speaker 1]
It doesn't look as good as the ones in room, right?

[Speaker 3]
No, this is a virtual background.

[Speaker 1]
All right, okay. Yeah, you are good. YANG NA YANG NA means when he wants to give an alternate explanation.

A YANG NA means alternate explanation. Okay, YANG NA means you can also say... Okay, YANG NA means we're going to get a whole different idea here.

YANG NA BYAS DU SKYES PA NI SKYES BYAS DU SKYES PA NI SKYES When something is SKYES to conscious effort, it's SKYES. Nice translation. The Tibetan translator is showing off, okay?

BYAS DU means consciously, of conscious effort. When there's conscious effort on a SKYES, it becomes SKYES. Got it?

It means there's an agent, a direct agent. Got it? When something has grown by SKYES, by someone's effort, then that's growth with an agent.

That's growth with an agent. Okay, got it? It's not just that consciousness grew by itself.

Something triggered it. In English you can say the difference between grow and trigger. Junipers grow around here.

God bless them. Nobody planted them. Except my karma, right?

And then trigger means somebody acted directly and caused it. And that's why Sugeng and I, in our new book, which is coming out any day now from Diamond Cutter Press, right Rupa? I think we pioneered the word trigger for the 12 links.

We don't say grow. We say trigger. Each one triggers the next one.

And that's SKYE with a D. That's a translation of SKYE with a D. So we didn't use grow.

We used trigger. Okay, got it? It triggers.

Three triggers. Four, four triggers. Five, five triggers.

SKYES PA NAS GYUR TSE NYID BSTAN PA It must be BSTAN PA, Sugeng. It must be a bad spelling error. When you say SKYE with a D, you are indicating a GYUR TSE.

A GYUR TSE means an agent. Cause or an agent. A cause or an agent, okay?

When you use the verb, when you use the active form of the verb, trigger, that implies a doer, an agent. Okay, got it? And here it's called GYUR TSE.

In ancient Sanskrit it's called a reason or a factor. A factor means a trigger, a triggerer. Okay, all right.

BSTAN PA YIN PA'I PHYIR TE And he's still on the idea that consciousness doesn't just grow. Consciousness is triggered. Got it?

There's a big difference. All right, and I was playing with... I tried to use the DUN, the misspelled word.

I tried upwards and backwards to try to find some use for it. And for a while I was thinking it was the locative case, which is DIM PA. That's grammar case number seven.

So sometimes in a sentence they'll just say, that's seven. And it means it's the locative grammar case, which is in the presence of, in the house, or in the town. And I thought maybe he was referring to that, but now I think it's just a miscarnial.

I was in a seventh mood because I was in another book. Whose book, Nick? My book.

That was my book. Here's the verse from Nick's book by Nagarjuna. And we had a famous locative here, DIR BSGYAS.

Say DIR BSGYAS. In the presence of longness, we have... Shortness.

Shortness. It was a discussion of relativity. And they went into a long discussion on DUN MA, which is number seven.

But it means grammar case number seven, which means in the locational. And in Nagarjuna, it means in the presence of DIR BSGYAS, which means long, you can have KHRAS BA, which means short. Cool?

And I worked for like an hour to try to fit the seventh grammar case in there. And then I decided it was miscarnial. Okay, that's the story of my life.

Thank you, Geshe-la. That's time. No, it's not time yet.

So again, you can translate the next verse, but you don't get credit for it because I already did it. Apples are killed for their skins. Elephants are killed for their ivory.

Yaks are killed for their tails. And for women, a man will kill a child or a grandparent. Okay, for a woman.

And he says that's... Okay, above he said RGYUD TSEN. When you say RGYAS, you're talking about an agent, right?

You're talking about someone wants to do it for a purpose. Someone purposely does it. Then we say, what's purpose?

What do you mean by purpose? And we say, well, that's why they kill leopards, for the purpose of their skin. People kill elephants for the purpose of their ivory.

People kill yaks for... They made fans out of yaktails for kings. And then out of desire for a woman, a man will kill his mother or his child.

So it's showing purposefulness. To get something, you will do the... Okay, got it?

And that's the SPYOD PA PO NGOS SU YOD PA. That's the triggering of consciousness, rather than consciousness just popped up. Okay, which one is more Buddhist-oriented?

Trigger. There's karma involved. There's karma, like Daniel said, there's karma involved.

There's always karma involved. There's always something forcing you to do it. Cool?

And that has something to do with the random thoughts that you had when you were walking through town. Which sooner or later turn into desire. Noticing sense objects and not being a hatha yogi is asking for trouble, because they will trigger desire later.

Got it? Okay, cool. All right.

So again, we finished the next sentence by accident. And I'm going to stop here. And you're going to do this very difficult sentence here.

Okay? Okay. I would say the next two, okay?

GANG NI MTHUN And PHYI YANG BYUNG Okay, so again, if you have trouble working on it, call Oscar or Roxanne. You can try, definitely. Or Uttar, yeah, that's true.

What's the date today, you guys? 27th. Okay.

We have a special show coming. Oh no, we have...

[Speaker 2]
Discussion.

[Speaker 1]
Just, oh, so Gang, your turn. I'm on vacation.

[Speaker 2]
Can you just make it shorter?

[Speaker 1]
Like the Peachtree Center, next to YSI. So no bathroom breaks during the Peachtree Center. You guys, can you do it during this segment?

Okay. Okay, so Gangs, how does this relate to our real life? Come on, Dad.

Yeah, how does this relate to our real life? Anybody has any opinion? Or do you want me to try first?

It's up to you. It's your discussion. Okay.

So Gang. Yes, sir. Slash Geshe-la.

Talking about Sugeng's real life. I found a... I gotta do one more thing here.

In the Tangier Sugeng, after this book, there's a more extensive commentary to the same text. Did you both look at that to see if there's relevant things when there's questions in this text? I did not, but I will.

Yeah, Geshe-la, after this text in the Tangier, the next book is a Gyatshya Shepa of the same subject. Yeah, it might help us clarify miscarriages, right? Yeah, exactly.

So, right? For instance, it talks about the Trung Du, and it says Trung here. Trung means Trung here.

Good, good. Stuff like that. Very good.

We will check it. Okay, thank you. Move up one word.

I looked. It's an author, I don't know. His name is Yunten Lojo, Gunu something.

Guna something. Okay, you're right. Gunamati.

Gunamati sounds like, yeah. Maybe. Okay, back to you, Sugeng.

Try to get conversation going among all these sleepyheads. Okay, sure. So, yeah, thank you very much, Word.

I think it's good information, and hopefully I can see more light at the end of the tunnel. So, yeah, based on what we have discussed earlier, the past one hour, does anybody have any ideas how we can use this in real life? Peter has an opinion.

Can he come up? Yes, please. Okay, come on.

Quick, quick, quick question. Uh-oh, he's got a question. I hope you can fit between there.

This is a test of your weight. Okay. Thank you, Sugeng and Keshala.

So, it's a YSI question and related to this one. You mentioned several times that you can make serious spiritual progress in the dream state or the baro. And now we said that actually the six consciousness relates in dreams to things that are not physical, but merely thoughts.

So, my question is, would that imply that in a dream state or in a baro, you don't have a central channel, you don't have chakras, and you cannot really move things there? Let's see. What do they call that...

There's a special Abhidharma term for colors and shapes that you see in dreams, or when you're planning something and you're sitting in your house and you're planning something else and you're seeing... It's called yi kyi kye che kyi suk. It's called yi kyi kye che kyi suk.

So, suk means rupa, form, colors and shapes, and yi kyi kye che means form that exists only in your imagination, or in a dream, or in a memory. And it's a whole separate category of form and shape. It's not object that defies senses, okay?

It's a mental thing. But it's real. According to Abhidharma, it's real.

So, Sugeng, let's say you're in the baro, right? You're between lifetimes. You don't have a body with...

Well, I don't know. Do you have a body with senses? And if you see things in the baro, is it somehow...

If you see colors and shapes in the baro, then is it just all mental? That's Peter's question. What do you guys think?

Well, if it's not clear and knowing, it's not mental. So, if it doesn't have its own awareness, then it couldn't be a mental thing, right? Oh, I don't mean, Nick, that...

I don't mean that the colors and shapes are our consciousness. But I think what Peter is talking about is the colors and shapes are perceived only by mental consciousness, and not by sense consciousness. Is that true in the baro?

And what is real question is, from the viewpoint of hatha yoga, do you have channels, knots? Can you do something? Do you have all those things in your body?

During baro, do you have a prana body? Yeah, it seems like yes. And just because you don't have eyes, say, or sense powers, doesn't mean you wouldn't have chakras or channels.

Yeah, and supposedly people in the baro have special powers. They can see through walls. They can see their family.

I had a dream. My roommate in college died. We were very, very close.

And the next night, I had a dream of him. And he was behind a glass wall trying to reach his wife and child. He was trying to reach his wife and the two child.

And he was banging on the glass wall, and they couldn't hear him, and he was freaking out. And then when I woke up, I thought, maybe that's what it really feels like. So maybe, I think they can see.

I think traditionally they can see people. They can hear things. They can hear the family talking about them like they're dead, and they get upset.

They're like, I'm not dead. I'm standing here. But nobody can see them.

And then they get upset. So apparently they do have senses. But what Peter's saying is maybe their senses are mostly sixth consciousness.

And maybe that's connected somehow to their prana body. Do they have prana body? I'm not sure.

I would say at least that they have the outline of their prana body in karmic form, in potential form. Like when you're, just before you're born into this life, you do have the karma outline that becomes your skeleton. You know, there's a certain shape to it.

There's a certain pattern to it that ends up as ribs and pelvis and backbone. So I would say they do have, they definitely have the karma which is already in a certain, what do you call it? Configuration.

And then they come into this life with the potential for prana moving in certain channels, which later will accrete bone. And bone is an accretion of physical matter on top of the prana. And it's crappy.

It's a lousy, it's a... It should have been recalled. Seriously.

You know, it's a lousy design. It's a mortal design. And sooner or later it has to fall apart.

[Speaker 2]
That's the way. Thank you. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Any more questions again? Actually, there was one point that I was not so sure. Chedul kyepa.

Chedul kyepa. How would you translate that? Yeah, chedul means conscious effort.

Chedul means with a goal in mind. For a purpose. For a purpose.

For a specific purpose. So it implies conscious effort, which in our discussion of the verb kye would be a D at the end of the verb. Kye.

Kye. Okay. So the chedul, the consciousness of the effort, how conscious is the effort, is reflected in the single letter D at the end of the verb.

It makes it active form. That's why he said chedul. When you add a D onto the verb born and you therefore change it into the English word trigger.

Okay, you have the word born or birth and kye, and then you add a D on it, it changes it to an active form which is trigger. Okay, yeah. And when he said chedul, it means for a specific purpose.

It's, what do you call that? Targeted. Targeted.

Targeted grow means triggered. It's very beautiful. The Tibetan is very elegant.

Targeted. Targeted growing is triggering. Oh, okay.

Growing targeted for a purpose is triggering. That's the Tibetan and it's very elegant. Okay.

Oh, yeah. You got one more comments again, go for it. Oh, we got Ronit.

Come on, come on. Come on, quick, quick, quick. I don't know on Saturdays, guys can't move at all.

Sorry, you got to squeeze in there.

[Speaker 2]
He's asking people for breakfast.

[Speaker 1]
No, they didn't even eat yet, Nick. Right? Yeah, looking forward.

[Speaker 2]
Hi, Ronit. Hi, hi. Well, I'm not sure I understood.

Does the fresh karma causes consciousness?

[Speaker 1]
Now, that's a great question. What do you guys think?

[Speaker 2]
How can it?

[Speaker 1]
I think what Ronit's saying is, if link number three is consciousness, link number two is fresh karma. By the way, link number three is what picture? It's a monkey entering the womb.

It's the mind entering the... Consciousness entering the womb. And then link number four is the two guys in the boat, which is your body and mind parking in the womb.

But what's link number two? What's the picture for link number two?

[Speaker 2]
Potter.

[Speaker 1]
Harry Potter. Hogwarts. Hogwarts link.

So, your question again is, why did they park the link of consciousness after fresh karma, which after all only represents the watermelon seed just after you put it underground? And it's link number 10. Which is mature karma, just before it breaks open.

Which is the watermelon seed in October, rather than April. What Ronit's questioning is, if link number two is supposed to be the cause of link number three, why didn't they put link number three in link number 11? Why didn't they put it after ripe karma?

Why didn't they put it after karma that was just about to explode? Why did they put it so early? Because that early karma is like a watermelon seed that you just put under the ground.

It's not in any danger of producing anything.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Hey, Sugeng, I got to teach you something. This is what my teacher would say. Oh, you write a letter to Lord Buddha, and you send him an email and ask him this.

Isn't that the whole thing about the cause and the result being the same thing? Saying it? Isn't it about the cause and the result being the same thing, ultimately?

Every result is also a cause of... Every triggered thing is also a trigger for the next thing. That's Rosa's opinion.

Okay, Tim.

[Speaker 2]
It's not like when you're planting fresh karma that there's not consciousness there already.

[Speaker 1]
That's also true. So then consciousness should have been two and karma should have been three. Well, it's not as though number one started before 12.

Like, it was already going. Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. It seems like the planting of any seed is initiated by... It's a movement of the mind.

This is the most fundamental way to plant a seed. When we say, We La Chepa, we're talking about directing the mind someplace. That seems pretty profound to me.

That before we do anything, before we do any act, there's a turning of the mind towards an object of attention. I was really thinking about coffee meditation and gratitude practice. And what we turn our mind towards is so powerful.

All day, every day, there are all things going around you, all sorts of things happening in your vicinity. But where do you direct your mind? Where do you direct your attention?

And then you interact with what you direct your attention towards. So I think there's a connection there to the whole rest of our lives. And maybe the whole rest of our many lives are initiated by where we look, where we direct the mind.

[Speaker 1]
What's another name for you, La Chepa?

[Speaker 2]
I was thinking on some level it's even... Sempa. It's even...

Sempa. Sempa, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And then how does the Abhidharma chapter on karma start? LAS LAS BYAS CHEN PO'I PHYIR DE NI SEMPA SEMPA, yeah, any movement of the mind. The entire universe is born from karma, and that is when you turn your attention to something.

So in our book it's called YI LA CHEPA, which means turning your attention to something. But it's the same thing as SEMPA, which is the definition of mental karma, which is the root of all karma, most powerful of all karma. Okay.

So that's a new twist on the relationship between link number two and link number three. Okay. Link number three comes before link number two.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Back acid trigger. Okay. That's time, guys.

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Sounds like somebody's going surfing. I'm not. I wish.

Thank you so much again, Geshe-la and all the translators for an incredible class. So we're going to roll out with a new segment, something new and interesting that we're doing. We're starting up a partnership.

So we're going to get into that. But before we get into that, we would like to give a special thank you to Geshe Michael for everything that he's done for us, the idea of the show, and just for supporting us for the last couple of years and inspiring us to grow and do better. Also, I'm happy to announce that History World News received a grant last week in an unspecified country for one year's expenses.

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[Speaker 2]
Thank you for all your support.

[Speaker 1]
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[Speaker 2]
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[Speaker 1]
So our next show, we have a special guest with us today and it's Bob Sirino, as you may know. Yeah, he's around. And we are in the middle of a Hatha Yoga Pradipika program with YSI.

So it's very, how do you say, it comes to the occasion to have Bob with us today. Is he around?

[Speaker 2]
We have to...

[Speaker 1]
How's it going, World News staff and Geshe Michael? How come you're not wet? That's coming up.

I'm going after this. So yeah, Geshe-la said that he got the money for you. So somebody else got, yeah.

So for those of you who don't know, YSI, every time we teach a classic text of yoga with Geshe Michael, we do a program called We Must Become as Gardeners, meaning YSI has our whole community support our sister and brother organizations across the worldview ecosystem. And so we set a goal that if we raised $10,000 for other organizations, that Benji and I would jump into freezing water to celebrate, to make it a little more fun. Because no fun, no yoga.

But seriously, YSI takes seed planting very seriously. And we finally achieved the goal of $10,000 for other organizations. So right after this call, I'm going to go to a freezing lake.

So tell us, Bob, tell us a little bit of what are we doing here today, specifically in this section? Well, specifically in this section, I'm trying to get you to join Benji and I to jump into water because we're going to roll something cool and exciting for Peachtree World News.

[Speaker 2]
We don't have water here, Benji.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I think this is a best start. I wish I could help, but really... Apparently there is people willing to help me.

Thank you. So at the Yoga Studies Institute, a feeling that we have sometimes is a feeling of not having enough time. We're always going from program to program.

And so we tried to make our schedule a little more sane and take a conventional approach to experiencing more time. But the truth was, no matter what conventional approaches we took, it just never seemed like we had enough time. So at YSI, we believe in planting seeds and the ripple effect of a community that believes in planting seeds.

So we reached out to Geshe Michael and said, you know, Geshe Michael, you're always saying how you don't like to spend time fundraising for other people because you'd rather spend your time on other things. So we said, how can we help? Because sometimes when you need more time, what you really need is another project.

So YSI connected with Peachtree World News and said, hey, we want to help you fundraise so that Geshe Michael could spend more time doing other things because that plants the seed of YSI experiencing more time. And the radical thing about that mentality is the ripple effect. When you're working at the level of seeds and you're telling people that you're working at the level of seeds, then the whole world becomes inspired to work at the level of seeds.

And that's the world that I want to live in. It's the world that YSI wants to live in. So I said, Juan, we're doing this thing for the gardeners campaign, but one of the ways that Daniel and Juan have had a great idea of raising money for Peachtree was by selling advertisements during the programming because there's so many really cool people who come to these programs that I said, what if you guys sold 10 of these advertisements for $500 each?

And if you got 10 over the next couple of days, that you would jump in the water with us, Juan. Oh, Tim wants to jump as well. Oh, Tim's going to jump too.

Steps on the path will give you $500. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Thank you. Oh, is that a sale? I've just bought a segment.

All right. Thank you. That's awesome.

Go ahead. I'm getting cold already. I encourage everybody to buy a segment to plant the seeds of time.

So if you're feeling like you're always running from thing to thing, you never have enough time as an organizer or as an individual, then buy an advertisement segment with Peachtree World News. Yes. And also remember that by helping Peachtree World News, you're collecting the karma of helping all of the worldview organization because our mission is to advertise and to spread what every single other worldview organization is doing.

So you buy an advertising spot for your particular organization, but at the same time, you're planting the seeds to help all of the organizations. And over the last year, we've been doing this for free. And as a karmic result, now we're getting forced this beautiful idea on how to start making more money.

Like Bob came up to us and we were talking about it, but actually, Bob and Connie are the spearheads for this. And so we're stepping it up and we're going to become more professional and start charging and help spread that system. Rosa has something for me.

[Speaker 3]
This would be Damontera Press and Annapurna Jules also.

[Speaker 2]
Ooh, you better get your business ready.

[Speaker 1]
There is one in the chat. There is one in the back. We have seven.

Yeah, I think I saw a hand there, but not anymore. Oh, okay. Joe has something as well.

All right. And Peter, thank you. So we have nine.

Wow, okay.

[Speaker 2]
I'd like to sponsor someone who doesn't have the money to do an ad. Not only do we have time, but we have wealth.

[Speaker 1]
That's beautiful. So Utpala wants one and Nur wants another one. So 11.

11. Wow. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Thank you very much, Bob. So I'm already afraid of it because I'm Mexican.

I didn't grow up with the cult. But luckily, we have an Irish teacher. So in a way, we're Irish too.

We can do this. And if you've been studying how to do a Pradeepakam and doing yoga, then you know how to do it. Okay.

So if you did just sign up for a segment, can you please send us an email at info at peachtreeworldnews.com. And then we will start to collaborate with the head of your marketing team on the particular segment on when we're going to roll it out. We want to work with each one of your marketing teams directly so that we can get ideas from you guys and tailor it to what you're looking for.

We have a special banner if kindly we could show it to you. And that's the way you can reach out to us. Just send us info at Peachtree World News.

Just tell us that you want a spot. We start communications with you. We start contacting you.

We schedule when is the best time and the details. And there you can also see our website and social media. So check it out.

But just email us to info at peachtreeworldnews.com. And so this means now we're in a paid partnership together. So it's our job to help your company grow with our advertising work.

And you are obviously helping our company grow by buying a spot. So that's awesome. Thank you very much.

Juan and Daniel, can I say one more thing? Yes, yes, please. What?

I think he said he wanted to say something. One more thing. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

[Speaker 2]
I see.

[Speaker 1]
No, I'm kidding.

[Speaker 2]
No, I'm kidding.

[Speaker 1]
I just wanted to share a vision. Because when YSI first started partnering with Peachtree World News, I thought it was just news. But what I realized is that vision was huge.

It's not just about news. It's about a network. And so I had this image of a beautiful peach tree with shade and lots of fruit.

And everybody in the worldview organization ecosystem in the shade of the Peachtree network. And we're all working together and sharing and supporting each other. And when I think about the long-term vision of our community, even beyond our own lifetimes, I think that a peach tree and its shade and fruit can take care of all of us.

And I think that that's a vision that Juan, Daniel, and Geshe Michael share. So we start by just sharing information. But truly, it's about being together as a community for a long time.

So thank you so much for your immediate support. Rejoice in your seeds. And as Ben said, coffee meditate, because your attention is really powerful.

Thank you. Thank you, Bob. You're awesome.

So we're going to put all that money in the paid partnership to good use and really step up our game and start using that money to create a much better show. So thank you very much. And finally, thank you, of course, Geshe Michael, that you came up with this vision project idea.

Please keep helping us, supporting us, guiding us. And we would like to invite you all to the next show, which is happening actually from this location. Taking control over our own destiny for the Dragon's New Year 2024.

We're going to have very special content there. Some surprises that you don't expect that I'm not going to tell you yet. But it's going to be very, very fun.

Join us. It's going to be if you are in the western side of the world, it's going to be February, Friday 9th. If you're in the eastern side of the world, it's going to be Saturday, Friday the 10th.

February. So yeah. And then you can register already in the QR code.

We're going to little by little release a little more information. But it's just two weeks from now, pretty much. So sign up and join us for this new year's event celebration.

Thank you very much. We'll see you guys Monday after Geshe-la's class or in between Geshe-la's classes. And we have Earl on as well.

We're going to be talking about another YSI event coming up. Earl will be teaching the quiet retreat talk that Geshe-la gave, the first one, called To the Inner Kingdom. So that's for next Monday.

So don't miss it. See you guys in a little bit.

[Speaker 2]
All the best in the new year, Joshua. Word.

[Speaker 1]
Thanks. All right.