Сугэн Ши — Книга 2: Колесо жизни (первый принцип и подразделения зависимости), занятие 17

[Speaker 1]
Result is present the city's destroyed.

[Speaker 3]
Well, we'll accept your premise for now. But why we do say it but if we were to say that we couldn't say it, then. How could.

How could one cause the other if they have no relationship.

[Speaker 1]
All right, good attempt. I know this is. Well, yeah, I kind of.

Is that a way to say is it. No, no, no, I'm not. I don't imply that at all.

I also can't remember exactly what what what are the detailed discussion here but here we say that because the start of the, of the result of the result will appear, even without any costs. So, the destruction of a cost is not something that has to depend on the result coming up. Now, what is the life to use to describe the concept above.

I would can I should I put the CIG. Will that be all right. Yes, I think so.

Just send us a check tomorrow. All right, okay. He said he'll take popcorn it's okay.

No, I don't know. Anyway. So what is that love to use to describe a concept above.

I'll pay for your copyright if you answer correctly. Anybody. Maybe in the world.

Yeah, that's right. All right. Oh, the baby dies.

Okay. What's the consequence of saying that the result only happens after the destruction of the cost. Look at it, the brightest.

You get to go on to an easier part of the text. Anybody else. So again, according to the cost.

Okay, you have to read between the French first. What do you say, there's no connection between the cause and the result so the cause can cause anything. Can you just say that.

Okay. So, Tim said, Tim said where's the ketchup I think. No, I'm kidding.

Tim has a theory hang on. Hang on. Yes, go ahead.

That the cause, if the cause is gone before the result and that cause couldn't have created that result so anything could create anything. Okay, you got that. Yeah, I heard that but I mean this is coming from the lighter side of the text.

Let me just present that wouldn't happen, you know. Come on last class be more relaxed. Don't be too serious.

Remember they're talking about changing things there so maybe. Yeah, I know. Second line, not the first.

The first statements. Yeah. Yeah, I mean there are.

Well, I mean, to be frank, there are so many arguments, left and right. Yeah. Anyway, let's continue.

Nyamdu Semna.

[Speaker 2]
Nyamdu Semna. Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
She's practicing. Beautiful. Come on you guys.

If you think to yourself. Yeah, yeah. So you're eating French fries too.

The cause has disappeared.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Toffee past tense of this is past tense right guess you're correct. Is that. Yes, it is.

Yeah. Destruction of the cost, cost enough. UGP, UGP, UGP.

Come to Chippewa. Yeah, come to Chippewa. Come to Chippewa.

Really, really, really, really understand. Yeah. Yeah, thank you.

Okay guess why I didn't delete your original your notes, but I swear I read I don't copy them. I did my best. I saw you.

I did my best to understand each components of the sentence and this is my time. Oh good. The first part good.

Okay, good. Okay. And then to me.

Okay, good. Yeah. Good.

I like it. Not bad. Okay, that's a shadow.

It's an interesting cause and effect between us. An object and his shadow right. It's almost instantaneous.

Yeah. Okay, if you didn't have the thing you wouldn't have the shadow so the thing must be causing the shadow but it's so fast. Yeah.

Okay. I guess to an Abhidharma person would seem to be almost simultaneous.

[Speaker 2]
Literally in shadow.

[Speaker 1]
So it's about to start from previous. Yeah, so the first phrase according to this guy is talking about almost simultaneous cause and effect. And then the second phrase is talking about cause and effect where one thing has to happen to trigger the second thing.

Okay. Yeah, good. It's great.

Yeah. Yeah, it means from a previous occurrence of the cost, right. Okay.

So the first one with the shadow was almost simultaneous. And this one in this one the cause comes earlier. Yeah.

Okay. Okay, thank you very much. I think this exercise is has been very helpful for me, at least with your notes I can decipher and and find phrase by phrase from the gopher and yeah thank you very much.

Yeah, you guys did it. It's a good translation. Yeah, it's a good translation and by the way, as I remember, although I did this a long time ago.

I think the rest is easier when it gets to the 12 links it's easier. You're, you're almost to the troubling so just have hope. Okay.

You should be like the camel who can see the water. That's wrong things are almost, they're almost coming. Okay.

And then I mostly it gets easier. Sometimes it goes crazy. My normal stuff.

Okay. But I appreciate this part because this is one part this is the part that people don't know at all. So it feels good it feels cool that I, I do something, which is amazing you know rather than the ordinary 12 links that a lot of people have known that so much.

Don't worry when you get to his 12 links, it's going to be something you never heard before. Okay. He's, he's not a normal 12 link guy.

It's not a normal guy. His 12 links are something really different. Okay, here we go.

So you finish these first two sentences. And you finish sentence. Okay.

Okay. Then I'm a cutting. Let's start out.

He's doing. So, translation by bus upon a bus abundance presentation of the wheel. Okay.

Okay, don't forget to have a pre nasal on that first word. Thank you for the reminder is timely. Dear mean data.

True. Boo. No Lenny.

Planting. Yeah. So that.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. If that's the point here that the first half of the first principle was meant to indicate almost simultaneous cause and effect.

And then the second half of the first principle statement was meant to indicate. What do you call it, one after the other, cause and effect sequential sequential, as opposed to simultaneous Okay. Then, did I do but do double don't let me do from India today, then the statement from the monkey sutra was incomplete.

Okay, I could not be as could not bear it out, because in that case, the monkey sutra was only talking about simultaneous cause and effect. Okay, because, and I went and looked it up and studied it. And the example given in the monkey sutra is that contact and feeling, which this guy is saying are almost simultaneous like what Yeah.

And I think it's interesting that it interesting that he chose a sprout Why do you think. Why is it interesting, because the spread will grow still. Well, just imagine a sprout coming up out of a seed.

How long does it take for the shadow to show up instantaneously. Yeah, it's like, yeah, and I think it's even more effective to say let's talk about the shadow. You can talk about the shadow of a tree.

But how about you talk about the shadow of something that opened a millisecond ago. I think it's kind of a beautiful example and we say, Well, if that's the meaning of the first principle statement. Then since the first both parts of the first principle statement we're giving in the we're given in the monkey sutra.

And then the monkey sutra only went on to talk about contact and feeling which are almost simultaneous. Then, why didn't they talk, why didn't it talk about sequential cause and effect. Okay.

So, if your idea is correct, then the monkey sutra was incomplete. Okay. Oh, all right, here's another one guy.

And I'm thinking hustle wants to check you. Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Sh Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shun Shiv Shantah By the way, we're still getting different opinions on why there were two parts of the first principle Okay, which were what if this?

If this exists that well if here nothing that will happen That will happen if these thoughts that will start Good. Now, here's another guy's opinion. Wow!

The reason he gave two parts there is that it was tsikni. These two expressions were for the purpose of cheer two separate goals. He wanted to block gakpa, the idea of gyumepo.

No cause? Yeah. First he wanted to block the idea that changing things could happen without a cause.

And then he wanted to block the idea that the gyu could be dakpa. The cause could be unchanging. The cause is unchanging.

Yeah. So that part about if this is present, that will happen means everything needs a cause. If this starts, then that starts means causes aren't unchanging.

And here's our response. gyu me na ni, chi yang chung wa me la Oh, I'm sorry. He's still continuing with his suggestion.

The first part of the first principle is trying to say if there's no cause, then chi yang mi jung. Chi yang... How on earth could it be without cause?

Yeah, chi yang means nothing at all. Nothing at all. Okay, so the first half of the first principle is saying, look, if there's no cause, nothing's ever going to happen.

It's impossible. Okay? Now, what about that second part of the first principle statement, talking about gyu dakpas.

The cause being unchanging. And then he gives three examples of gyu dakpas. Give me what they are.

Rang shin. Yeah. South.

He's talking about a non-Buddhist school. Oh. It's almost like dark.

Rang shin. It's a creative principle, you know, like prakirti. It's prakirti.

Right? The nature of the... Nature, we've been calling it.

Yeah, the nature of the universe, which is unchanging, and has always been there, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Wait a minute. Isn't Purusha is that, right?

And prakirti is the emanations of that, that are changed? Yeah, I'm sorry. You're right.

But anyway, chi tso. It's talking about... Rang shin here means chi tso, like a first nature of all things.

The mother nature of all things. Okay. It's a...

Yeah, and then, or you could say a wang chuk. The god, the creator. Yeah.

All powerful. All powerful. And by the way, when you talk about a creator, what does takpa mean?

Oh, it means because it is unchanging, it cannot create changing things. Yeah, but what's the emphasis that religions that talk about a creator, what do they say about the creator? There is no cause.

There is nothing that is causing the creator.

[Speaker 3]
They've been here since forever and will last forever.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he's been here since forever and he will always be here, which draws into question whether he can change, right? And if he can't, he can't make something. Okay.

And then third one, this is Stanley's famous kyu takpa. The atoms, the... Yeah, and it must be talking about some Hindu school's atoms that never change or something, okay?

Unchanging atoms, okay? I mean, when we talk about rang shin, the inherent nature, the nature, can we equivate this with a Buddha's nature? What do you call that?

Buddha, Buddha? Rang shin nirik, right? The Buddha nature, no.

Buddha nature. Yeah, no. This has to be some kind of false kyu takpa.

Okay. I mean, but apparently a lot of people have this misunderstanding about Buddha nature, which is like inherent nature in every being, right? Well, it is.

This is inherent, really? Well, okay. I guess you could say inherent.

Okay. Well, yeah. I think...

Okay, we'll talk about that later. The emptiness of emptiness, yeah. Okay.

So, don't forget, Shena means he just finished his proposal. What's his proposal? These two parts of the first principle statement are talking about things with no cause, or things with a cause which is unchanging.

And, okay? And that's his proposal. That's why he says two parts are necessary.

Okay. And it looks pretty accurate, pretty correct, right? Well, then Vasubandhu would be mistaken when he said, kyiyang medol.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay.

They asked him, kyepar kare re, what is the difference between those two statements? And he said, me. There's no difference.

Okay. He doesn't seem to want to... It seems like he's very opposed to saying that these two have any difference between them.

Okay. Well, then you could say, well, how do they clarify each other if they have no difference? I guess it's incoming, right?

I don't know. I don't know. Let's see.

Okay, you're reading. Allison is checking. Yay, Allison.

Don't fall asleep. It's not morning. Oh, it is morning there.

I'm sorry. It's morning. All right.

Yeah, okay. Now, my opinion on those, that idea, okay, that two-part idea, right? So, in my opinion, if that Sikh Dambo Me, even if he left out the first sentence.

Even if he left out the first half of the first principle, which is that if this is present, that will happen, right? Even if you left out the first half of this first principle statement, even still, I think it would still Gagpa both of those ideas. We can still block both those two ideas?

Yeah, what are the two ideas? No cause and unchanging. Yeah, no cause and unchanging cause.

So, our position, Vasubandhu's position is, if you're correct, and the first statement was meant to block two different kinds of wrong ideas, that things could happen without a cause, or that things could happen with a cause that never changed, I think you still wouldn't, you wouldn't even need the first half. You could just say, this starts when that starts. Ah, my second statement, okay.

Yeah, just the second statement takes both of the problems you were talking about. Okay, yeah. If your position about the difference between the two halves of the first principle is correct, then we don't need the first half of the first principle.

I'll say it again, if your statement about why we need the two halves of the first principle is correct, then we don't need the first half of the first principle. Because the second half of the first principle covers it, covers both of them. That's true also.

Okay, yay. Now we get a difficult one. Steejee says he wants to help.

All right. Nailed it, George. Steejee was here this morning.

I'm sorry, Steejee was here this afternoon. What was that? In his tuxedo.

Tuxedo. Wow, wow, handsome.

[Speaker 2]
Aw.

[Speaker 1]
Maitri said we can have a party for finishing the term. So he dressed up in his, he's wearing his tuxedo. Okay, here we go.

Daddy's gonna check you. All right, please. Nailed George.

Okay, good. Now he has a weird school that we have never seen before. He put E-R.

He put E-R. On the end of a word. Nailed George Chupisa.

He said those Nailed George Chupisa-ers, this is what I meant. What's Nailed George Chupisa-er is the Yoga Charabhumi, okay? And- People who follow that book, I guess.

Oh, he wrote it. Yeah, followers of the Yoga Charabhumi book, okay? All right.

And let me say something. Like, it's very confusing. What is the Yoga Charabhumi, okay?

And it's really, here's an old footnote that I dug out. Those footnotes are incredibly valuable, okay? If you know how to search them.

And if we keep them up to date, Nick and Ben. So when you talk about the Bhumis, the famous books by a Sangha called the Bhumis, by the way, he didn't have whose help for those. They were not- Lord Maitreya?

Maitreya. Yes, they were not written with Maitreya. These are actual original books written by a Sangha later.

Okay? And they call it the Bhumi books, okay? And it's very, very confusing.

And I found a nice commentary on it, okay? So it's actually five different books and some of them have multiple parts, even three parts. So if you're interested and you have some extra time in the next few months, you could read this footnote in Sugeng's text.

And there's actually like nine different sections of the Bhumi books, okay? Five books by a Sangha, okay? Only one of them is called Neljor Chöpei Sa, okay, the levels of deep practice, okay?

Yoga Charita of the Bodhisattva path, of the Bodhisattva track, okay? And that's the famous one. So 1C here is the famous one and they are all separate works and they all have separate Tathagata numbers, for example.

Okay? Cool. Cool.

And you will never see an explanation of this, okay? Are they translated anyway? Art, I think my friend, Art Engel, worked on it.

I don't know how much he finished, okay? It's huge, I mean, it's massive. It's thousands and thousands of pages to translate, okay?

It would be a fool's errand. It'd be something that Ben Kramer would do or something like that. Okay.

So these guys who follow these five books, huge, okay? They say, the reason Sik-Ni-Muh, who can tell me that? The reason Sik-Ni-Muh.

They save these two lines. Yeah, the reason they talk about these two lines is number one, Mar-Pang-Pay-Chir. You didn't get rid of something.

You didn't get rid of something, okay? If this is present, that will happen. Means you failed to get rid of something.

Therefore, something is present. Therefore, something's gonna happen, okay? And the second half of the first principle is talking about how things start from causes which are changing, which are constantly changing, okay?

And that's the emphasis of these two. That's the difference between these two statements, okay? Who said that?

The fans of us, Sangha fans. They probably have baseball with AA on it. Are you a Sangha?

Okay. All right. Anyway, if you ever have, I mean, this is all material for your footnotes again because it says those guys who like the stages of deep practice, and then you're gonna have to explain what the stages of deep practice are.

And here they are in the Dehopa catalog. Wow, thank you, Geshe-la. Yeah, oh God, I spent like a half a day one time on this because I was confused.

Okay, here we go. So, who's checking you is, Nick, did you do any, did you do him yet? No, not yet.

Okay, let's do it. Not today, so let's do it. Please, make a mispronunciation.

You're too perfect. Okay. Okay.

Wow. He might have made an English D for when there wasn't one supposed to be there.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, right. Hmm.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, probably. I wanted to tell over Zoom, yeah. It's hard for Sagan to make a mistake, even on purpose.

Okay, what's this yona mean, Sagan? If it is correct, if the argument is correct, can we say that? Come on, come on.

The argument by the follower of the yoga chara? Nope. It's the first part of the first principle.

Yeah, it's the first, he's talking about the first half of the first principle, right? This is here, yona. This will.

Okay, so it's talking about that yona. The yona, the first half of the first principle. Now, let's go back to what those guys said.

They said the first half of the first principle is talking about giving, you didn't give something up, and that's all they say. They don't clarify it. The purpose of the first half of the two parts of the first principle statement, which Buddha gave before he discards the 12 links, just before he discards the 12 links.

And even there are some people who say it should have been a 13th link. It was such an important statement, as you said, Sagan. Some people said they should have made it as a...

All they said was, if this is present, this will happen, refers to not giving up something, okay? And here's the clarification on what you didn't give up. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

Yona refers to mabang. Not giving up, right? Yeah, good.

GKDU, as we see in Doshen, other sutra. Okay, good. Chindapa, anyone who still has dapa and dunpa.

Desire and, what is dunpa? We had it this morning, right? Aspiration, intention, yeah.

Wanting, okay. Anybody who has wanting and wanting, okay. Okay, all right.

YOD SHIN DU, as long as you have those, there's the YOD, Sugeng, okay? There's the YOD. As long as you have those, then NANG GI BSTOD PA RNAM NA SO SOG MI MYONG BA.

You won't get your deepest inner desires, okay? As long as you haven't given up desire, you won't reach what you really want to reach. GANG NAS, your heart's desires.

As long as you still have normal desires. YOD NA, okay? If this is present, then you won't, okay?

You won't get your heart's desire, which is liberation, right? NANG GI BSTOD PA, okay? MI MYONG BA, you won't experience it, okay?

Either you won't experience it, or it's just not going to be there. MED PA, okay? So really, so really, these Asanga fans, they say something radical.

The meaning of the YOD PA is MED PA. Oh, okay. It's very radical.

They say, oh, Buddha, what was the first half of the first principle? Oh, if this is present, then that's going to happen. Yeah, but you know what he's really talking about?

If this is not present. Okay, well. If what's not present?

If what's not present? The palm. Yeah, the inner hopes will be absent if there's a presence of normal desire.

If you have normal desire in your heart, you will never experience your higher desires, and they will be not there. So we can say that the YOD NA, if this is present, really means if this is absent. Yeah, yeah.

Okay? Palm, right? Palm.

Yes. It's very radical. That's so Asanga.

In every way.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Now, is the author a fan of Asanga? Yeah. Supposedly.

Supposedly, but now. He was ready to cut his tongue out for criticism.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so please read this one, and I guess Aldo wants to check you. I think he said so. Okay.

YOD PA NYID LA SOGS PAS CHE DAG RNAM PAR BYED PA SE BYA BA'I CHUG GI RNAM DRANG LAS LUGS PAR GSUNG STE Yeah, boy. YOD PA NYID LA SOGS PAS CHE DAG RNAM PAR BYED PA SE BYA BA'I CHUG GI RNAM DRANG LAS LUGS PAR GSUNG STE Okay, I have no idea what he's talking about, but maybe it's something like that. LUGS PAR means kind of loose talk, loose references to...

Loose references to synonyms for existence, okay? YOD PA NYID is when you say the fact that something exists, okay? The fact that something exists, okay?

So we'll... Let's come back to it, okay? Okay.

He's saying, if you specify YOD PA NYID, not that if this is present, but the presentness of that thing, okay? Then CHEB BYA'I RNAM PAR BYED PA means making fine distinctions, okay? Making distinctions into different types.

SE BYA BA'I CHUG GI RNAM DRANG CHUG GI RNAM DRANG means a synonym, but CHUG GI RNAM DRANG also means what? Do you guys remember? It comes in the Heart Sutra.

CHUG GI RNAM DRANG LAS SDUG BSNGAL MYUR BAR GZHUNG TSUL Versions of the Heart Sutra meditation. Yeah. Yeah, CHUG GI RNAM DRANG means a version of the Dharma, or one presentation of the Dharma.

The Heart Sutra is a CHUG GI RNAM DRANG. The Diamond Cutter is a CHUG GI RNAM DRANG, okay? Presentation of the Dharma, okay?

He has changed the word YOD PA to YOD PA NYID. Existence, okay? Existence, okay?

Itself, existence itself, okay? All right. Okay, let's come back to that.

I'll come back to that, man. Yeah. I'm not sure, but come back to me.

I'll check some commentary. Thank you. Now, I got good news for you.

Yay. Oh yeah, we are into the first link already? We're into the links.

We're into the links. We're now on section eight of the sutra. I have added the sutra in, by the way, where it belongs, okay?

The sutra is very short. It's two pages or something. And the commentary is hundreds of pages.

So, you can read this, Sugeng, if you want to help your audience. And Chen Tsong's going to check you. We are reading from the original sutra.

Don't forget that Vasubandhu's book is a commentary on the sutra, okay? And I'm guessing that he has finished the first principle statement. And we're moving on to the links, okay?

Thank you. Okay. Marikpe genki duche.

Duche ki genki nampa shepa. Nampa shepa genki mingdang. Yeah.

Genki. Yeah, genki mingdang, yeah. Suk mingdang.

Suk ki genki keche duk. Keche duk ki genki rekpa. Rekpe genki sorwa.

Sorwa genki sepa. Sepe genki lempa. Lempe genki.

Sepe genki lempa. Lempe genki shepa. Shepa genki kewa.

Kewe genki kawasidang. Kasidang. Translate, Sugeng.

I'm taking a coffee break. I'm taking a coffee break. The misunderstanding is the condition, is the condition for the fresh karma.

The fresh karma is the condition of the consciousness. The consciousness is the condition of the name and form. Name and form is the condition for the sense Sense.

Six doors of sense. Six doors of sense, yeah, six of sense. And then the six doors of sense is the condition for the touch.

The touch is the condition for the feeling. Feeling is the condition for the desire. Desire is the condition for the initial desire.

Initial desire is the condition for the advanced desire. Nice. Advanced desire is the condition for the birth.

The birth is the condition. No, shepa birth. Yeah.

Birth is the condition of the life starting. No, shepa, number 10. What is that?

Oh, ripened seeds. Ripe karma. Advanced desire, ripe karma.

So advanced desire is the condition for the ripe karma. Ripe karma is the condition for the birth. Birth is the condition for the old age and death.

Not old age and death. Gashi. Oh, gashi.

Give me a different word for gar. Don't say old age. Oh, aging.

Aging. Yeah, because it starts in the womb. Okay?

It starts in the womb, right? Yeah, you start getting old in the womb. Okay?

Yay! That was great, Sugeng. That was great.

That's your first book, basically, right? Yes. Okay.

Keep going. Chenzo, keep checking, okay? DER TEN CING DREL BAR BYUNG BA'I TSE NYID ZHUGS PA DANG Yeah, somebody asked Buddha, what's the TSE NYID of tender?

The meaning of the dependence and connections. Yeah. When you say dependent origination, it's such a strange word.

Like, what do you mean when you say that? And then, who's checking you is Ellie. Yay!

How do you feel, Ellie? I'm okay. All right.

Oh, I talked to your air conditioning guy. He's coming on Tuesday. Cool.

I twisted his arm. He was at my house today. Thanks.

I just write him and say, Geshe-la said it was Tuesday, right? Okay. Okay.

Okay. Please read. CHOM DEN DE GYI KHAT ZEL PA DGE LONG DAK TEN CING DREL BAR BYUNG BA'I TSE NYID NI NAM PA SUM TE YONG WA MIP PE KEN LE BYUNG BA'I TSE NYID DANG MI TAK PE KEN LE BYUNG BA'I TSE NYID DANG NYU PE KEN LE BYUNG BA'I TSE NYID DO SHE SUM TE Yeah, and this is difficult, okay?

I know we haven't had anything difficult yet, but here comes something. I mean, Vassubandhu is not an easy guy, okay? And don't forget, he gets to play in this commentary.

He gets to be himself. He's not trying to pretend he's an Abhidharma guy, which must've been really frustrating to pretend you're close. Okay, anyway, CHOM DEN DE GYI KHAT ZEL PA.

What's that mean? So this is what Buddha is saying. Buddha really said it.

Good, yeah, very high verb to say. He bespoke, or he declared, he made the following declaration. Okay, Long Thoughts.

All monks. Yeah, all monks. You want to know the TSE NYID DANG CING DREL BAR BYUNG BA?

The meaning of the dependence and the connections? Yeah, it could mean, do you want to know the definition? Or it could mean, do you want to know what are the main qualities of dependent origination, okay?

Well, number sum. There are three, there are three. One is the GAN, which is YI YANG WANG MED PAR.

YI YANG WANG MED PAR. The cause which cannot change, cannot shift. Good, which never moves, yeah.

The condition which never moves, okay. So stuff which happens from a condition which never moves, that's the first quality of dependent origination. The second quality of dependent origination is that it comes from MI THAG PA'I GAN.

Cause, the cause which is changing. Good, and the third quality of dependent origination is that it's coming from a GAN which has NUPA. Condition which is NUPA, or power.

Yeah, which has power. Okay, so somehow, when the monks asked the Buddha, what's the main qualities of dependent origination? He says three.

Number one, the quality of coming from a condition which is unshifting. Number two, the quality of coming from a condition which is changing. And number three, the quality of coming from a condition which has power.

We don't know exactly what those things are here, okay? We don't know yet, but you're gonna tell us what they are, and Gibson's gonna check you. DE DAG NYID DANG PO BRTEN PA NDI RAB TU BRTEN PA YIN NO ZHUG ZHUG THE, NDI YUN NA, NDI ZHUNG ZHUG ZHAO BA NI YOD BA MED PA'I RKYEN LAS BYUNG BA'I BRTEN NYID YIN TE YOD PA TZAM RKYEN NYID YIN PA BRTEN PA'I PHYIR RO Okay, so this first quality of dependent origination, that it comes from something which doesn't shift, right?

That it comes from a condition which doesn't shift. Here it is. Okay, DE DAG NYID DANG PO BRTEN PA Okay, I'm gonna tell you what the first one is talking about, okay?

I will detail for you, RAB TU BRTEN PA, what the first one is talking about, okay? When you say, NDI YUN NA, NDI ZHUNG, what's that mean? When this is present that occurs.

That will happen, yeah. If this is present, that will happen, okay? When you make that statement, you are describing the first version of dependent origination.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, and that's the version where things come from a cause which is YOD PA MED PA. Unshifting. Yeah, now what's unshifting mean?

YOD PA TZAM. Merely exists. The mere presence of something acts, is itself a condition or a trigger.

The mere presence of something is the trigger. It's almost like it doesn't have to do anything. It just has to be there and it will trigger something.

Okay, got it? Okay. Geshe Michael, we are out of time.

Oh, yeah. When I say unshifting, it means the mere, the thing doesn't have to get out of his chair to make something happen. If he's just sitting there, something's gonna happen, okay?

YOD PA TZAM. Nothing's moving, nothing's doing anything. The condition is just sitting there and something else is gonna happen.

Okay. Okay, and to be continued. I mean, to do all three would take a couple of days.

[Speaker 3]
What a cliffhanger.

[Speaker 1]
I know you guys are gonna have trouble sleeping for the next few months.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
How can we live on like this? Don't forget you can do this all the time, Geshe-la. This idea of terms is ridiculous.

Every day. Oh, yeah, I know. I wouldn't mind, personally.

I would have to cancel DCI and SEM and all that. Oh.

[Speaker 3]
John Brady knows enough now. He can do it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. No, I like the variety. Okay, I'll see you guys in five minutes.

All right, yeah, you can have a seven-minute break this time, Yann. Okay, and then Tim is gonna start the next class with some announcements. Yeah.

Okay. If everybody could stick around here for Geshe-michael, you may go on and have your break. If everybody could give me one minute of your time, I would be forever.

Oh, you can have a fundraise for me, yay. But listen. That's not true.

What are you talking about? Yeah, just go take your break.

[Speaker 3]
Why are you saying that? How am I gonna pay off?

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Nick, make them cry. Tim, shut his computer.

Make them cry about all the money I spent. Okay, bye. Thank you, Mishla.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you, Geshe-michael.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, turn off your camera. So at least we think you're not there. Perfect.

So guys, you know, Geshe-michael works really hard. The amount that we charge or, you know, pay or don't pay for this event is low compared to the amount of work that goes into it. And it's really precious.

And he's really the guy who can do this. You know, without him, we're like, nobody can do this. So he's doing a really powerful and precious thing in this world.

And I think, you know, it's nice for him to know how much we appreciate it because it keeps him wanting to do it. I don't think he needs the money, but word does. So we can't say.

But he does really great things with all of the money that we give him. You know, he moves into awesome things and he gives a lot of money to charities and supports us and helps us, you know, not just the Mixed Nuts, but all of the people in the world who are working hard to see his visions through. So there's a big global engine happening now.

And all of our donations to him support that happening. And I think it means a lot to him. And I think it's great for us to have the chance to support it, even if it's just a couple dollars or even sending him a poem or something or whatever.

It's really nice if you can thank him and monetary donations are great too. So I just put the email address and email address of his that's associated with his PayPal. Let's make it rain money into his PayPal right now.

Turn into red envelopes, if you will. Anyway, go have a break. So thank you.

His PayPal email address is right there. Say some nice things to bury it so he doesn't have to see his PayPal email address in there when he comes back. Thanks, y'all.

Thanks, Nick. And if he's still not here, I just wanted to let people know, hold on one second, that we raised, let's see, $2,829.07 as an offering to Veronica. So thank you very much for that.

Thank you, Venerable, for coordinating all this.

[Speaker 2]
Dear friends, hello. If you have time during the break, please fill out our feedback form. Everyone's thoughts, needs, and opinions are very valuable.

Yes, Michael, please come back.

[Speaker 1]
This thing, this thing. Oh, I forgot. I'm Adam, right?

Yes, you are. Sorry. First, we're going to have a presentation by Tim.

Then we're going to have, Allison wants to tell us something also.

[Speaker 3]
So who's, who wants to go first?

[Speaker 1]
You're going first, Timothy.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, cool.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Great. Well, this is, I had asked Nick about this.

You know, we have an amazing sponsor who has really gone way above and beyond to make this translation program possible. And part of that is, you know, we have several buildings and businesses in here in Sedona. This is for everyone so you know, kind of know what's, how this is all possible.

And I thought it'd be nice for all of you to see who actually pays your paychecks. You know, sometimes you all say thank you to me and I'm like, that's nice. And I really appreciate it and thank you.

But it's really not me. Like there's a team of people who work tirelessly in hospitality. And if you've ever worked in hospitality, you know that it's grueling, it's thankless, you know, housekeepers are picking up after whatever people do in their hotel rooms, right?

And I just thought it'd be nice for you to see some of the people that work for us, you know? So let me share my screen here and you can kind of see who some of them are. So the first place is called the Adobe Grand Villas.

It has 16 rooms, 16 large, very large high-end rooms that it's one of the most expensive places in Sedona. And we're number two, it's the second best place there is in Sedona. We're trying to get up to number one, not quite there yet, but we're pretty close.

No, it's a smaller place on the way into Uptown. And then the second property is called, it will be called the In-N-Out Mountain starting in September. It's currently called the Suites of Sedona.

We've been doing a lot of renovations, getting it up to a much higher standard. And that has six rooms, it's a beautiful bed and breakfast. A lot of people do honeymoons there, it's wonderful.

So this is actually a housekeeper from Russia. He was an immigrant when he was in high school and he works for us. His name is Danil.

We have Alejandra and she's been with the company for 17 years, she's 78 years old. She's the one who makes all the sheets look pretty. That's Mary, she's been with us for 15 years.

She works at the front desk, she's absolutely amazing. You guys might know these two guys. Oh yeah.

This is Mark and Daniel. They replaced some stairs for us and they replaced them so well that if the rest of the building fell down, they would still be standing. But they're actually, Mark just moved up to Sedona area.

He's gonna be working for us on a retainer once or about twice a week actually. So he can support, he's gonna be supporting us and making everything stay great. In fact, he helped us when we had massive floods three weeks ago, fixed our roof.

And Daniel's wife, Serena, I think she's very active in the translation program as well and helping AOL, yes. This is Jorge on the left, he's our assistant manager. He's like essentially a kid.

He's like 24 years old, he's amazing. And that's, crap, what's her name? Her name's Claudia.

She's been with the company for about 10 years. She's lovely as well. This is our newest maintenance guy.

His name is Eric. He was at Diamond Mountain for four or five months as a repair person. And then we just hired him recently and he's super happy and he's been a friend of our general manager for quite a while.

There's Jorge again, looking all Jorge. If you've ever met him, he's a wonderful guy. That's Francilia, she's been there for 15 years.

That's Mel Chor, he's one of our groundskeepers. He's been around for about 12 years. And there's our general manager, Michael.

Yay! Which one? He's been there for 14 years and he's also the executive chef.

And so I really just wanted to share some of these people with you so you could see that they worked tirelessly to make this possible, to bring in the funds for the translation program. So I just wanted to give you some numbers here. We have 31 contractors and employees working.

We have over 150 vendors and suppliers. So all of them are really active in the Sedona community and there's so many people that are supporting this. And I just wanted to do a little croissant meditation to know where this all comes from.

And amazingly, in the last year, since we've taken over, we started with a 44% occupancy at both ends and now we're up to about 65 to 70%. So we're doing really well. And I wanted to share that with our sponsor that we're doing really well this year.

So he knows all of that. And the whole thing is managed by Tim Ray. Yay!

It is bedtime. Yeah, just for fun. I just wanted to rejoice in all those great people that are working, who I work with every day.

And last thing is I have a little thing here. I know some of you, this is more for the non, our not main group, but our secondary translators and anyone who wants to learn Tibetan language and study philosophy. How can you get better at it?

It's called, you could come to Ms. Nuts, which you're all doing, but it's called planting seeds. Okay. And if you're interested in learning more, we have some programs available and I'll put my email in and you can write me that you can practice your English, learn how to write really well in English by transcribing Geshe Michael's teachings, also making subtitles of those teachings.

You can then also practice your Tibetan by trying to understand what Geshe Michael says in a class and put it into the transcriptions and subtitles, editing and marketing and social media. So all of those things together, if you're interested in learning more and you want to plant seeds to be able to learn Tibetan or learn these deep philosophy, I will put my email address in and you can write me about it. And then finally, just the last thing, cause it's cute, is this, is Geshe Michael with Maitri.

We don't see anything, Tim. You don't see, oh my gosh, no one saw anything? Nope.

Oh my gosh.

[Speaker 3]
It's been quite a while now.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, well, then I'm gonna go back. There's cute Geshe Michael. And I had a really cool presentation that I was clicking through.

Do you want to improve your Tibetan? By doing all these cool things. Yay.

It was really, really exciting, but I forgot. But yeah, so thank you, but really thank you all very much. You know, it's, you know, seeing what you're all doing, makes me happy when I get up in the morning and I go to the hotels.

So, you know, just this, and then I can, and I also share that with the staff too. They know what you do. They know why they're doing it and they know where the extra money is going.

So it's not a secret to them and they really love it. They're like, that's so weird, but it's really cool. I was gonna say that people there are starting to talk about seeds without really even being taught, you know, and it's really cool to hear them say that kind of thing.

So we are making an impact in the world. So thank you all very much. And thank you, Nick, for giving me the opportunity to hear all of you.

Thank you. Thanks, Tim. Thank you, Tim.

And that's great. That's amazing. And we're really grateful for everything that you're doing.

Alison, what's your topic? Yeah, whoever just said that, you're right. Alison, Alison is going to show us a photo.

I'll say a quick thing. I just wanna thank all the people who are translating this stuff into foreign languages. And there's an amazing, amazing team of people that some of my included pleasure working with in Shenzhen and South China region in general, headed by Stanley and Alison.

They're developing this team of super cool, young translators and translators and Alison would probably say some more.

[Speaker 2]
Hello, can you hear me? Just like follow the theme of team and here on behalf of Pure Goals, Stanley, I would like to thank the many talents, Pure Goal talents who are serving behind this scene. Just like in one book, as I mentioned, usually people don't think they're translators, but here I would like to share those photos with you.

So it's a good time that we can thank them because they work very hard that nobody can see. And as you know, that's for all the Ms. Nat's terms, Pure Goal always provide the edit, Pure Goal translation team and every week for the Ms. Nat reading club and we will also provide the translation simultaneous translation and also about the monthly Ms. Nat's programs. As long as there's Chinese translation needs, Pure Goal translators will always be there and take this term, for example, we have about 30 Pure Goal talents who are serving very hard that we don't see them.

So I want to show their photos. We have two project managers. One is Lisa Shen.

She's joined Pure Goal team, I think last year and this time she'll work with Luca Yeh. Both of them work very hard to manage this term translation and Lisa also is assistant to me and Stanley and Luca, I would like to thank Luca also. Now she is the director of talent management for Pure Goal team.

Yeah, thank you, Luca. And we have six senior interpreters for this term. We can see their picture, Emily Chen from Taiwan, Isabel from Xi'an, Joy Chen from Shenzhen and Catherine from Shenzhen.

Also there's Tang Tang and Ola. So we have six senior interpreters working, serving us this term. And we have about 20 translators who are providing the written translation for this term.

As we can see their name, Katie, Aiyar, Ivona, Joy, Sophie, Ji Hong, Danny, Jewel, Jasmine, Vivi, Joy, Irina, Nina, Xiao Wu and Zhiling, Peter, Luca, et cetera. So actually we have translators, not only from South China, also from translators in Asia. They are not only provide the simultaneous interpretation.

Some of them translate our homework, quiz, some they do the recording, et cetera. So I just want to share with you and thank them. Thank you for working invisibly.

Thank you. And one thing. So if you have more, if you want to join PureBoard team, if you are bilingual or you have good friends who are bilingual, who are interested in become a PureBoard translator, please contact us.

You can contact me or Stanley or Luca or Catherine. Yeah. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Yay. That's amazing. And thank you, Alison.

Thank you, Stanley for putting that together. Feels like it's been a while now. And they're an amazing team.

Wanna support the Mixed Nuts. If you want to support our transition to Chinese, reach out to them. I'm sure they can also use help, you know, financial or otherwise volunteers.

So however you wanna support PureGold, it's a very important project for the world. And we're really grateful to you all for doing it. And I'm gonna do a couple more thank yous since I've gotten your attention.

Take a deep breath and a little stretch. And first of all, this reaches so many people thanks to PureGold and the incredible team of Russians who aren't here at the moment. But I wanna thank all of you for translating into Russian language.

And we have a really, really great team that are from mostly Mexico that are translating into Spanish language. And really making these classes, which are very rare and very special, available to a lot of people. So to get the chance to listen to this live as they're happening is a unique and special thing.

And Hasso put together the team of Spanish translators this time. So thank you very much. And special thanks to Berta Velasco who always comes and translate the Mixed Nuts Reading Club.

And Alex Rivas who's always willing to help out with that too. But your whole team, you guys are great. And I'm very grateful to you all.

And it doesn't go unnoticed. And I'm sorry that we speak so fast. We're just doing our best to beat Geshe Michael to the punch when it comes to the translations.

If we think we know, and then he can tell us we're wrong after. So I also want a couple more. Well, Mixed Nuts, you guys are awesome.

We are improving. It's amazing. We're lucky to have a teacher like Geshe Michael to lead us through this, whose knowledge of the language and the philosophy is so vast.

And we're trying so hard that maybe the 10 or 11 of us are able to reach, receive some little part of that. So I'm glad to have you all in my life. And I think that as a team we're really progressing and there's gonna be more exciting activities for us to participate in as we move forward.

I wanna thank Tim who does the amazing job. And in addition to what we just experienced in terms of learning about the work that he does to run the hotel, that there's a lot of support for us. He also records and does all the work for making the videos available to you all, making them available to us nuts.

We couldn't translate these books without you because we need to see the videos immediately of Geshe Michael. And the fact that you make that happen, you are facilitating all of this happening and making sure that the translators are in their place. So that's why your Tibetan is improving so rapidly.

I imagine you're just doing so much to support the efforts of translation from Tibetan and then from English into these other languages. It's incredible the connections that you're making just by being you and doing what you do. And so thank you so much.

We're really grateful. Two more people. Fearless Sage, you truly are fearless for believing in us.

We are so grateful to you. We cannot express it in words and it brings tears to my eyes to think about how lucky we are to have you believing in us and translating with us. And I miss hanging out with all of you guys.

And it's always fun to hang out with you sitting together and joking around and working hard on the text together. Because not only are you a great blessing to us as support and as a sponsor, but also you're super, super smart and an amazing student and really an amazing teacher. So it's really inspiring for us to get to work with you.

And so please stay on our team as well. Please keep doing all of the things that you're doing. Please don't give up on us.

Keep supporting us. Let us know if you need anything and we can help you because we love you. And we're here to do that for you.

Thank you, thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart and I think from all of ours. And there's one other person with whom this would not be possible.

Somebody started this effort, I think like, I don't know, 40 something years ago, learning and suffering and getting scabies and fighting people for tanks of propane. And struggling to communicate. So to learn the Tibetan language and then to become a Geshe, it's all incredible.

And we all aspire to do just a piece of what you have achieved and to be able to learn from you is a great, great honor. And we are all very, very, very, very, very lucky to receive these classes. And for you to consider us worthy of pouring that wisdom that you have learned.

So thank you very much from the bottom of our hearts. Yeah, yay. There is a- What's a word to dress?

I could just put it on here. I was making that joke earlier as well. I'll email it again.

Please don't ever leave. There should be a rain of red envelopes assaulting, assailing your PayPal, hopefully. Is the email that I sent went out and that's just a little tiny bit of the gratitude that we can express.

So we know how hard you work to do this. I know very clearly how many hours it takes for you to prepare just these classes, not to mention the lifetime that went into all of the ability to do all of this. So we know how lucky we are to be here is not lost on us.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, everybody.

Yeah, I love you. I'm going to send around some questions to all of you guys, participants. I think for next term, we won't do a webinar.

We'll make everybody be able to turn their cameras on and we can all sit here together like a big family and things like that. And I'd like to know your thoughts. And one more thing is do your life tools.

It's fun and you could win $200. But really do it because it's fun. And the life tools, one of the reasons that we want to push this so hard is because I think one of the greatest offerings, one of probably the greatest gift that you could give to the lineage who has passed this down to you and most directly get Shane Michael is to figure out how to keep it going.

And I think developing life goals is a huge part of figuring out how to keep it going because every generation has to make the wisdom contained in these texts relevant and accessible to their students. And our people are the modern world. So we have to take responsibility to pass it on that way.

And making life tools is a good part of that. I mean, it's a great practice. It's not the only way, but it's a really cool way that we can do that.

So, yeah, join us, make a life tool, send it in. You can email me if you have questions about that. Yeah, anyway, please jump in on the effort.

Thank you. Oh, it says Kiri did a life tool. That's amazing.

He's like five or something. Two Santa Clauses. I can't wait to send it to you.

All right, I don't wanna keep, you have about a half an hour left to go through this incredible text.