Сейджи Арао — Книга 2: Мастер Шантидева, занятие 24

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Курс: Seiji Arao — Book 2: Master Shantideva (Diamond Cutter Classics) — «Руководство к образу жизни бодхисаттвы» Мастера Шантидевы
Урок: занятие 24 — Bodhisattva Way of Life, Session 11 (July 29, 2024)
Ведёт: не установлено — Геше Майкл Роуч в записи не участвует; занятие ведёт переводческая команда Mixed Nuts (Сейджи Арао читает перевод, разбирают вместе с командой)
Дата и место: 29 июля 2024; место не указано
Источник: YouTube, канал Diamond Cutter Classics, плейлист PL1KVm5jgTljSp6vDnCG3LZlYhA2STM3UR; расшифровка TurboScribe
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[Говорящий 1]
of the text. Wait, can you guys see my screen? Yeah.

Okay. Why does our author mention we have committed, oh, we committed many kinds of negativities without even realizing? And what specific example did he give?

Well, I know that in this part of the text, he's talking to us about how we have a good chance of going to the lower realms and stuff like that. Actually, yeah. And this is a very, very generic, well, not generic, but very classical answer.

There's three things that make us do that. They happen to be in the center of the wheel of life. Oh, due to our desire, anger, and misunderstanding.

Misunderstand. Yeah, he mentions, yeah, misunderstanding, desire, anger. Oh, because we try to protect our loved ones and defend ourselves from our enemies.

Cool. That's the example? Yeah, that's the example that he gave.

That we get wrapped up in this, trying to defend our loved ones and plan bad deeds. We try to harm our enemies. And then we die.

We don't remember any of these things, yet we keep all the negative deeds and negative seeds that we planted. So yeah, basically a mini class on the wheel of life. All right.

After that, the next chapter, what point, next paragraph, sorry. What point is Master Shantideva trying to reinforce as he starts talking about the Lord of Death and its henchmen?

[Говорящий 3]
Nobody can help us when the time of death is coming.

[Говорящий 2]
Right.

[Говорящий 3]
And the deed that we planted before will follow us.

[Говорящий 1]
Yep. Thank you, Peiling. Yeah, so we spend all this time protecting our loved ones, defeating our enemies.

And we end up with only the bad seeds. And in the end, all this thing can, nothing can protect us except for virtue. All right, awesome.

And the last thing, we didn't do a lot of paragraphs, so I had to scrape a little bit. So what are the two examples Master Shantideva uses for things that we could have done instead that could actually help us in our death? Oh, good deeds?

Right, but more specifically? Not too specific, it was two general things.

[Говорящий 3]
Obama?

[Говорящий 1]
Yes, correct, but not what he mentioned. He was talking about, we could have protected others or helped those in fear, but instead we spend all of our time trying to get the good things in life, quote unquote, doing terrible, countless terrible deeds. All right, I think I'd do that.

Yeah, same here. I know this is pretty simple, but for, came in the text, these are three things, Timuk, Chak, Dang, She. Dang, She, Dang.

Oh, yes. S-T-A-N-G. D, D como David.

No, no, no. No, no, no. Is that, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cool. Three poisons.

Yes, three poisons. Yeah. Shuji Choni.

Pony. Pony. The henchman of the Lord of Death.

Yeah. This is technically by them, right? I don't think you need the S.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. Pony.

You're right. Draper, isn't that like terror or horror or something? Yeah, well, oops.

This I put it as alarm. All right. Okay, now let me switch to text.

All right, so this is the next chapter. All right, who wants to read? Chloe, do you want to read?

[Говорящий 3]
Sure, hi, Shuji.

[Говорящий 1]
Hey.

[Говорящий 3]
Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
All right, and full disclosure, I got Nick's help for this, so. Everybody knows already. Full disclosure, I did it in a terrible hurry.

So I think we'll have some stuff to work through. Could you go up a little and show what the verse number is? I'm having a hard time finding it.

44. Thank you very much. Yeah, of course.

Oh, cool, Sanskrit. Can you make it just, I don't know, is there a way to get, yeah, everything that's taught? Interesting, right, that it says jeek jeek in the Tibetan, but then the Sanskrit just says, oh, no, is there two, is there a repeated word in the Sanskrit or did the Tibetans just decide to do that?

Well, it's not. No, but I can see. The first one means fear and the second one refers to, right?

[Говорящий 3]
Fear.

[Говорящий 1]
They don't mean the same thing.

[Говорящий 3]
Bhairava is one of them.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Well, there's Shinje. So you're saying, can you put it into Shinje's name?

Bhairava. Isn't Bhairava Karair Shinje Ponya? Oh, no, Yama is Shinje.

Yeah. Bhairava Karair maybe is the jeek jeek. Yes.

[Говорящий 3]
I think I should get Michael's notes there. It says that the first jeek is jeek jee, which is Bhairava, and then the second is jeek ta.

[Говорящий 1]
Fear, okay, so jeek ta. So what's the first jeek of the Tibetan course? Bhairava.

Sanskrit. I don't either. The lord of death.

The lord of death. But that's Shinje. Interesting.

I think that they're just emphasizing, like I think they're just saying jeek jeek ta to make it like super scared. But. I don't know enough Tibetan to know that.

[Говорящий 3]
We were taught at some place, somewhere, that Bhairava was jeek jee.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, for sure. For sure. But in this case, there's no mention of jeek jee, right?

For some reason Geshe Michael didn't put the, oh, he wrote jeek ta. Yeah, because this is, this has a, right? There's a sa suffix, so it's not jeek ta, like the wrong view, unless it's misspelled.

No, that jeek is fear. Right. Yeah, so I'm just questioning why there's two.

It's like the dre, the fear brought up by the henchman of the lord of death, and then it goes on do to jeek ta or something like that. You think that that jeek ta is supposed to be the wrong view, jeek ta, even? Oh, why is that second, why does the second?

Why, or why are there two, yeah? Oh, yeah. Actually, I don't know.

Yeah, it's a little confusing. Shinjiponya jeek jeek ta. We should look up the Sanskrit.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm thinking. So you have a byra, which is fear.

That could be shinje. I don't know, I'm not finding. Shinje is.

Vakara. You're not? No, I'm not.

Or vakara, I guess. I don't know, maybe it's vakari. I don't know.

It could be vakara. Oh, did you just say that? Yeah, but it's not coming up for me.

Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
Maybe we can do it though.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, kara probably means to do, it's probably related to do something, so. Oh, instill fear.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, the kara, yeah, it's some kind of to do.

[Говорящий 1]
So maybe the jeek jeek ta is somehow the way they're catching byra and vakara.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
It's like instilling fear.

[Говорящий 2]
And I guess the yama is the shinje in that case, right?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, for sure. Yama and deukta here is probably the ponyas.

[Говорящий 2]
Probably.

[Говорящий 1]
So then maybe my translation there is wrong. It's not that the minions are terrifying, it's that they do the terrifying, like that the Lord of death terrify you or something. But the terror you see from the terrifying henchmen?

I'm like not taking that ta to be see. It could be tabu. Yeah, or I was just taking it more like, yeah, like just like almost like there is fear, like you feel or like, I don't know.

Adam told us last time that ta sometimes gets like added on. I mean, maybe that was a specific phrase, but he mentioned that ta had like another function and it didn't seem like see would make sense here. So I thought it was more of like a general like.

I think he was saying it could be tabu, like ta is short for tabu. But then would there be, could there be an agigui? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, tabui, it says ta instead of tabui. Could be, okay. You can say that.

What does shatzouk mean? Which one? I took it to mean grab, get a hold of our flesh.

It's not a phrase? No, that I could find. Like I said, I did it in a hurry.

So everybody, it's welcome to look. Okay, no worries. Shatzouk.

Sounds like something that the terrifying minions of the Lord of Death would do. It is, it's a phrase, Nick. What's it mean?

It just means the shape of the body or something. Of the minions? Oh, that makes sense.

Yeah, like their visage brings fear in you or something. Shatzouk chen, you assume the visage they have by their face, they get you? It's like.

I mean, I'll tell you. Puri shotsardou can mean excuse me to shit yourself. Which one?

I don't know. Literally, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Great fear. Sorry, translators. I'm sure you'll find a more elegant way of putting that for us.

But it has the right flavor. I think you kind of have to do that first, Ben. It's cliche.

Chichenniki tepkyurpa. Let's see. So you don't think that agyuko-i at the end of the first line is carrying over to, that holds the shape of, that has a shape of a body?

Maybe.

[Говорящий 3]
The wrong view about the shape of the body. I don't know, it's weird, but.

[Говорящий 1]
It seems like a reasonable thing. But that's a shatzouk chen also. So it's like.

Shinji bata jikjikta shatzouk chengi sungkyur.

[Говорящий 3]
Those who, those who have a, the wrong views of those who have this kind of body.

[Говорящий 1]
In the Chinese translation, it says, it means a horrifying appearance of those messengers of the Lord of Death. This one's weird, I've seen. Yeah, their visage, that freaks you out.

So jikta is visage? No, shatzouk is visage. Yeah.

Okay, I'm still on jikta, but. Aha, you're taking over. Yeah, I think it's something like when you see that horrifying visage, it scares you.

Jikta. When you see it? Yeah, that sounds, but they get you.

There's a sung going on there too.

[Говорящий 2]
They grab you?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, like, so it's not just seeing them, it's like. But sung can mean to perceive too, when you bear witness to them or something like that. But then, okay, it could be, but there's that instrumental there too.

So it kind of looks like it's saying the messengers, those really scary messengers of the Lord of Death with their super scary bodies, visages, those guys, they get you. They sung you. Yeah, grasdach is a passive participle, which passive meaning having been seized by.

That makes sense, the instrumental. So I think it's, yeah, maybe it's saying those messengers of the Lord of Death who look really terrible, having, when they seize you or something. Seize, I've never said that out.

Then you're stricken with a huge fear or something? No, well, then the next, it's like starting a new thought, because look at the last three syllables. Need I mention?

Yeah, so it's like, so I think it's saying, if you get super scared when you're sick, what need mention rabtu nyam tak? Like, you know, when you come to your final end. Is the chik chen not the sickness?

No, I think that, oh, I don't know. I think it's, if you get so scared that you won't have to poop your pants when you're sick. You get so sick that you poop your pants.

What is, need not mention when you poop your pants? I think it's saying, if you get super scared when you poop your pants, then what need? Well, that's true.

If you get scared enough, that is what happens. So that's not out there. Yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
I heard.

[Говорящий 1]
I heard. That's also what happens when you die. Yes, it is.

Right, right, right. So what's nyam tak? Is that experience?

I think it, I looked that one up, and I think it's total annihilation, but let me look again. Because I don't trust my brain. Like more like torment.

Yeah, yeah, miserable, yeah. Something bad. But a rob do nyam tak probably sucks even more.

That's what I think, yeah. Like complete misery or something. Yeah.

What need mention?

[Говорящий 2]
Oh.

[Говорящий 1]
Because I think nyam tak, I think tak gyurpa means stricken by sickness, right? Yeah, tak doesn't literally mean to catch or something, to catch a cold or some kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So I think that, but I don't know where the chikchen goes. Let's look at the Sanskrit.

Maha, look, mahas. Maha. Trasa.

Trasa means fear, great fear. Yeah, it's great fear. And jvara, that's sickness, right?

Where is it? It's after maha, trasa. Oh, jvara, yeah.

Trasa. Krashtak. Yeah, jvara means sickness, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, fever, maybe. I think it's related to like jvara, like burning up like a fever. But it can mean grief, even.

It doesn't have to be just physical. You're stricken with great, a great fear comes, catches you or comes over you or something? What need I to mention of when you've reached the, you're rubbed to your tak, like some horrible.

Yeah, horrible thing. When you're sliding into first. Yes, when you're sliding into home.

I get it. Our audience. Are we talking about bunnies and butterflies again or what?

I'm what, sliding into home? What does that mean? It's also automatically baseball in 50 years.

It is, it's a baseball analogy. It's probably not worth explaining. So, but I think that, but Sagey, we should get back to the first part, I guess, that when they get, well, yeah, it's like when they, you want to, we're probably going to want to include something about their terrifying forms.

Like when the, when the minions of, when the minions of the Lord of death with their terrible monstrous bodies come for you or something like that. Or they get you in their grasp. Yeah.

Get you in their grasp. Yeah, and something about form. Well, I'll probably put with their terrible form before get you in their grasp somehow.

And you can find a more poetic way to say that they're terrible, you know, with their terrifying something. I don't know, this is confusing, isn't it? I think, yeah, we feel we are stricken by, we are stricken by the sickness or.

Yeah, totally, of great fear.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh.

[Говорящий 2]
That key, right?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. You're doing great, Sage. The sickness of great fear?

What did you say? Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

So, jik-jik-ta in Lokesh Chandra sometimes is an equivalent for Bhaidava. Ooh, that's what Geshe-la was saying here. Yeah, right.

It is. Well, yeah, jik-jik-ta is Bhaidava. So it's the visage of the Lord.

[Говорящий 2]
Terror.

[Говорящий 1]
No, he put it without the S's. Geshe-la put it without the S's. As opposed to.

As opposed to jik-jik-ta, which would be the perishable assemblage. Yeah, so he's saying not like the jik without the S. In fact, I think in this context, the Lord of Terror is the name of a minion of Shinji.

Or is the Lord of Terror name of the Lord of Death, like AKA. Mr. Scary.

[Говорящий 2]
Mr. Scary looking? Mr. Scary because he's scary looking?

[Говорящий 1]
That's right. So maybe something like when that terrifying minion of the Lord of Death, the Lord of Terror or something. The Lord of Terror?

Yeah, but it's something wrong there because that's one of our yidams, you know? We have to find a different way to say it.

[Говорящий 3]
Well, no, no, I think you're right. Jik-jik-ta is one of the main sidekicks of the Lord of Death, sorry.

[Говорящий 1]
That's how Seiji's writing it here. Oh, yeah, Ponya AKA that Ponya. Okay, that's cool.

He's still gonna get you in his trash. Well, let's give him a different name than the Lord of Terror because that's Geshe Michael's translation for Yamantaka. Doesn't he say the butcher?

No, the butcher, that's our guy.

[Говорящий 2]
So this should be the...

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, maybe like, I don't know, just we can tweak it a little bit. Like the Supreme Lord, the Lord of Horror or something. Like Vincent Price.

Well, he doesn't have a name of Lord. He's just a minion still. That's true.

To the Lord. That's true. Oh, the horrible looking?

I mean, you could, yeah, well. With its terrible form. So then we would take this, right?

Without this, right? Gets in their grasp. In his grasp.

No, because it also says Shatsuk Chen. Yeah, it has both. It has both.

So he's, he also has a super ugly face. Capital H, horrible looking. Who looks horrible.

In this case, you put capital on both, right? Horrible and looking? Yeah, it's his last name.

That terrifying minion. So it's just a minion now. We're not talking about.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, it's just a minion.

[Говорящий 1]
We could even put Mr. Horrible Looking. Let's be respectful.

[Говорящий 3]
Well, you just get rid of the the.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, the the, definitely.

[Говорящий 1]
Just horrible looking. Yeah. And then in his grasp.

Yeah. In his grasp. In his grasp.

He's gonna be a guy. I know, I know. Wait, wait.

He still doesn't have a terrible form. He still has a shot. We still have to catch the Shatsuk Chen.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Something like with his monstrous face or something. Or I don't know. Form, yeah.

This is. Horrible looking with his monstrous form.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
It's even his grasp. Yeah, that's cool. We are stricken by the sickness.

So the sickness of great fear. Sickness of great fear. Yeah, so maybe it's not total annihilation, but something like that.

It might be, Nick. Yeah, I'm talking also being like weakness. It does mean some.

It can mean some kind of grief, but it also means when you're kind of down and out or something or when you're like weak. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Well, and the supreme version of torment would be going through the process of death, isn't it?

Mm-hmm. I think. Yeah, it does seem to be some kind of poeticism for the process of death.

I like total annihilation. Yeah, it sounds cool. Let's do it.

I mean, I think we should make horrible looking a more dramatic name. What was the previous verse? What just happened a second ago?

Oh, yeah. Oh, we don't know. That's all right.

No idea. Okay. My guess is that we're comparing it to that.

Like it's not, we're saying, if you thought that was bad, verse 43, then how bad is it when you are grasped by the vision of the minions of the Lord of Death coming to, you know. Get, yeah. Yeah, to finish you off.

Mm-hmm. As you're, you know, smothered in the result of your physical fear. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm, that makes sense. All right, cool. Let's see what kind of pleasant things await us in the next.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then we go uphill from here.

Oh, this one, I don't have the, I should put the Sanskrit. Oh, yeah. We have some people in the chat.

They seem to know what this is. It's the one with the buffalo head and the horse face. Oh.

That minion of the Lord of Death. I'm not gonna say that in front of him. You know, that visage.

Who dat? Who dat? Says Chloe.

Your colloquial English is coming along nicely.

[Говорящий 3]
We should pay you $25 for that one, Chloe.

[Говорящий 1]
That's right. Teaching us new English idioms. We have the Sanskrit station?

I'm gonna eat all my lunch. No. Who dat?

No, this one, well, I think because the last class, it was a team class. I don't think we, where can I get that? I mean, that seems like something I can do to save Geshe-la some time.

Find the Sanskrit? Yeah, where is it?

[Говорящий 3]
Aisha, where are you?

[Говорящий 1]
Well, it shouldn't be hard. I mean, the Sanskrit, for that particular book, should probably be easily available online. I bet we probably did re-input it.

Probably. We can look for you after class, Seiji. Yep, yep.

Can we read the Sanskrit folder? We have, yeah, several hundred of the same. Maybe a dozen.

Will someone for Sushik, Sushik Chandiledak, sorry. Isn't that Sushik whoever, whomever or whoever? Yeah, I thought maybe it's, it's, yeah, I just took it in this particular direction, but it, because it looks like it's saying, is somebody going to protect us?

Like, so I took it as someone, but it totally could also be like, Sushik Chandiledak, or Khyoparche, or She. Like, the She, maybe it's saying, like, someone protect me. Or will someone protect us?

Chandi, this great terror. Wait, we should read it. I'll read it.

Sushik Chandiledak, Lekpar Khyoparche Gyor She, Choysha Thunpe Mik Choy Ne, Chokshir Khyatak Tsovar Che. What do you think, Seiji? Sounds good to me.

Well, Su, do you know what Su means? Somebody, who was in that room with you there where Oscar was in the monastery? Oscar, what is, he says who?

Yeah, Sushik, and Sushik together is like a word for someone or whoever. Yeah, someone, oh. Che, Chen, Seiji, do you know from the last verse?

Great, great, or great. Big, big fear, yeah. Very scaly.

Che, Chen. Yeah, who's gonna protect me from this horrible fear? Yeah, Lekpar Khyoparche Gyor, right?

Khyoparche Gyor, who's gonna really protect us? Can we come up with one word for Lekpar Khyoparche Gyor? Yeah, I wonder, we just put protect, but maybe like someone super protect us.

I mean, literally protect us well, right? Yeah, well, somebody, how to catch the Lekpar, grant us protection, I don't know. Seiji, this is your realm, because you're more poetic.

Kindly protect us? Yeah, someone. Seems like a funny way to say it.

I'm getting ripped to shreds, but someone kind of protect me. Yeah, yeah, I don't think so. I don't know, I honestly can't think of a way to modify protect in this context.

Shelter. I would jump to chap GPD in this. Chop can mean take care of too, it doesn't just mean protect, but...

Guard, shield, shelter, shelter, yeah. What's a stronger word for protect then, maybe, to make it... Shield, shield us.

Yeah. Yeah, it sounds good, shield us from this great terror. That's cool.

Or safeguard me, or... Safeguard, maybe. I like both of those.

[Говорящий 3]
And I think it should be me, right? Because of the shea there at the end of the second line?

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, me, I see, yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
Like I'm crying out.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
Who will protect me from this great terror?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. So, I was kind of struggling through this.

The dresha tun, I think that tun is like... Increase, right? I think it has another meaning, but hold on.

Oh, okay. Sorry, I was about to look that up. I found another...

Oh, the meaning that I found was at the time of... That genitive is suspicious.

[Говорящий 3]
So, in the dictionary written by people that are like us, they say that this phrase means to have the look of fear.

[Говорящий 1]
Sha tun?

[Говорящий 3]
Dresha tunpa.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, oh. Oh, so then eyes wide in horror is maybe... But when they come from my flesh is not needed.

Yeah. It's not correct. Eyes wide open with this look of horror or something.

Yeah, or eyes wide in horror like a... And yeah, you can just elaborate on it like... With something even more like a dresha tunpa, like...

Yeah, but there's even more to it. Like you also have, your eyes are wide open and you have a scared look on your face.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. As you look out in horror with your eyes wide open or something like that.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Oh, cuckoo. Something like that.

Yeah. Like my eyes. This is serious.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, my eyes.

[Говорящий 1]
Like, who will shield me? Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
With your eyes wide shut.

[Говорящий 1]
Or just say, yeah. Search for protection in every direction. Yeah, I think that's...

Sorry, what were you saying?

[Говорящий 3]
Oh, I was just gonna say, as you look with eyes wide in horror.

[Говорящий 1]
Dad, let him focus on his work. Oh boy, uh-oh, they're coming for you. I agree.

[Говорящий 2]
I agree.

[Говорящий 1]
I think Sushi, by the way, is who will, what one will. Yeah, that will sound nicer. Who's going to shield me?

Yeah, I think it's even, I agree, Ben. I think it's even stronger. Like whoever will say, like...

Yeah, whoever will say, whoever could do it, yes. Yes, somebody. You got the someone, say, yeah.

Oops. Just the someone. Yeah, who will shield me or whatever.

Something like that. It's here. It's looking part of my eyes wide open.

The more poetic, the more scary. All right, cool. Yeah, it's nice.

It's got kind of a southern bell to it. Let's just go over the last line for the viewer. Choke means directions and sheer means in the four directions.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
But the four directions kind of means every direction. Everywhere. And I think, yeah, it sounds weird to say in the four directions in a verse of poetry like this.

I don't know, or it sounds. It is weird. Yeah.

When I read translations like that that are so literal like that, I'm always kind of like, come on. Who from the east? Who would ever protect me?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, and Surwajay, search.

[Говорящий 1]
That's one of the lucky things about having Keshe Michael. Oh yeah, yeah. Surwajay, search.

Look for, search. Search for protection. Yabdak.

Someone to, a lord of protection or something. Someone to protect me.

[Говорящий 2]
No, that tak is a plural.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Protection. It's not tak.

Yeah, yeah. It's probably more, I don't know, I guess it's plural too, but the Sanskrit would help here to see if it's a, just for, or it's actually pluralized or dualized in the Sanskrit. Right, it would be helpful.

Yeah, what would be the difference between choke and kelp? Like, why did they use those two different words?

[Говорящий 2]
Those are different tenses. The kelpa is probably the, I can show you, probably the past. And kelp, I'm pretty sure is the infinitive, but I can check.

[Говорящий 1]
You're looking at that big chart? Oh, great dictionary has them. Oh, nice.

The tenses. Kelpa is actually the infinitive, I was wrong. Is kelp the future?

About to find out. And unfortunately there's old tenses that don't even. Right.

Yeah, that kelp is a noun. This kelp is not a, it's a noun. Protection.

Yeah, yeah. Protector. Protectors, yeah, with the tak.

Oh. I would change it. I search for protectors and everything.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Nice. Protectors. Protection.

Okay. All right, cool. All right, so the next one.

Choke here, kelp made tone and knee. Zaney, kuntu, ye, me, moku. Nede kelp yu mai nuna, detse daki jital cha.

Nice. It's like almost a repeat of the previous line. Right.

Yeah. I don't, yes, I look everywhere, I don't see anybody. I don't see anyone to protect me.

Should be I, right? Yeah, I, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, cool. Zaney, kuntu, ye, mu, ger. I mean, all becomes dark is pretty pithy, but I know what it says.

I think it means like it's darkness everywhere. Yeah, totally, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
And like the tene, yeah, literally it is then, but it could also mean like therefore. And like, and you might not even have to include it, like there's no one to protect me.

[Говорящий 1]
It's just darkness everywhere. Yeah, I was gonna say now, it could be like, it could also be the darkness is like coming in on me or something like that. Yeah, that's what I think it is, yeah.

Okay. Darkness closes in. Yeah, it closes in.

Oh, I like that, it closes in. Ah! Bunnies and butterflies, please.

I'm having mental lyrics. Mike Hoffman says, the darkness envelops me, the darkness envelops me. He should write jump scare movies.

Okay, in this place. Ney-ter, ney-tey, kyap yim-ma-yin. Nah.

If. Maybe that nah is actually an if, I didn't even notice it when I was looking at this before, but if there's no protection, ney-tey dag-gi-ji-to-ja, what can I do?

[Говорящий 2]
Oh.

[Говорящий 1]
If I can find, well, it's not saying if I can find no. If there is no, if there is nothing to protect me here. Yeah, I was thinking here.

Yeah. No one or nothing. Nothing, no one, whatever.

I think it's if there isn't anything. Yeah, oh yeah, it is literally if there isn't anything. I mean.

Well, no, it's not, mm-mm, well. Yim-ma-yin? I mean, they use it to.

The yuh is not anything necessarily, but the ma-yin is, isn't. I agree with that. Yeah.

If there exists nothing, well, if there isn't, I guess. If you want to text the ma-yin, then I guess you need to do it that way. I think you're right.

Dajal, I definitely. I think I've got the Sanskrit. He wouldn't necessarily be like hardcore about that kind of thing.

He would just be. There's nothing to protect me. Kramer, put it in the chat.

I did. We have the Sanskrit, Seiji. Oh, cool.

Yeah, shunya, yeah, kanna shunya, without protection. Kanna shunya. Shunya, literally, yeah, shunya.

Nothingness. Empty of protection. Zero protection.

So it's the opposite. Maybe they did it for, I mean, they could have said ma-yin, but. Yeah, I think that they're doing it for me sometimes.

Yim-ma-yin just means meh. Yeah. But then you miss two beats.

So we don't, I mean, you, I think that my approach with a sentence like that is just trying to make the English sound as good as you can. Right, there's nothing to protect me, right? Well, it's up to you.

Or if there isn't any protection. Isn't any, oh, any protection. Yeah, or protectors.

It's kept, it's protectors. Right, because before he was talking about the same thing, right, protectors. Uh-huh, it's kept.

It could be. What can I do at this time? If you're gonna say protectors, then you have to say there aren't any.

Yeah. There aren't. Cool, okay, awesome.

The last thing I do at this time sounds terrible, but that's what it means. Well, you could then, then what can I do? Yeah, then what can I do?

Now what can I do? Better. Sure, that's great, even better.

That's all right. Instead of at this time, right? Now what can I do?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that sounds fine. Yeah, that's cool.

Wait, what's the jaw? Is that a feature raiser? Jito jaw, yeah, what will I be able to do?

What will I do? Whatever will I do, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, whatever will I do? Now what, now what will I do?

[Говорящий 1]
Hmm, I think it's will.

[Говорящий 2]
Or should.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. It could be should, yeah. How should I act?

Now what should I do? All right, cool. That's what it'd be.

You know we can't use what that. Not gonna make the final cut, we can use it though. Yeah.

Kamsuchi. All right, cool. I'm putting the Sanskrit in the chat.

Oh, thanks man. Sorry, I didn't split it up though because I'm not sure how yet without my friends. Takes a little time for that.

[Говорящий 2]
Sage, can you stick it in even if it's not split up?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, it'd be helpful. Yeah, let me see. Fonzies.

It's blue. It's not that big of split up, then we could do it as we go. Yeah, probably.

Yeah, good, good. That's what, sure, sure. Whoa.

What was that? Somebody's shaving. Sorry, I'm just shaving my head, that's what I was gonna say.

Phone buzzing. I thought my brain went out of fritz there for a minute. I'm about to follow his brain.

Dayway, gyalwa, droway, gun. Oh wait, somebody else read.

[Говорящий 2]
Gyalway, gyalwa, droway, gun. Droway, gyalway, dun, sun, pa. Top chan, jik, pa, kun, sel, la.

Teeling, ney, ney, kamsuchi.

[Говорящий 1]
So, dayway, gyalwa, droway, gun. Protector of beings. Therefore, we got the victor to protect beings.

Well, I mean, I'm just giving you a very literal translation right now. You can write it, but it's not gonna be poetic. Therefore, we have.

The victor to protect living beings. Yeah, therefore, the victors protect, are the protector. Yeah, that's even better, the victors.

You never know, it's all context. Capital V. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
I don't think we have to put we have.

[Говорящий 1]
The victor, therefore, the victor.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, there's no we have.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Exactly, nice. And they work hard in that.

They work hard for the goal of protecting living beings.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, cool. The gun is actually a noun. The victors are the gun.

Are the protectors, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They work hard to protect living beings. Yeah.

Oh, again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I said many times.

Right, right. Temptation and they dispel, they have great power of dispelling fear.

[Говорящий 2]
All fear. Oh, oh.

[Говорящий 1]
Uh-huh. Well, the Kunsel could be like totally dispelling as opposed to. Yeah.

Great power. Kuntu, Kuntu Selva or something. That's what I was thinking, but it could be either one.

They completely dispel? Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Well, we don't know, it could be Jigpa Kun or it could be Jigpa Kunsel. Let's look at the Sanskrit, it says Sarva. There's that Trasa again.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, yeah. Sarva Trasa, isn't Trasa fear?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, that's like having a bad time. So it's Jigpa Kun, it's not Jigpa Kunsel.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Yeah. So we were right the first time, Seiji.

Cool. Apparently. Yeah.

Rick Kramer. Yo. In the Sanskrit here, the Jinan, is that plural for genus?

Is that victorious?

[Говорящий 2]
I'm just curious, because it's ambiguous in the Tibetan.

[Говорящий 1]
I'm going to tell you for sure. Let's see, it is accusative plural, yes. Yay.

And can I ask, I'm sort of like stuck on this work hard because I don't think Buddhas work hard in Dharma. Are, you know, that's just all they do is remove, all they do is protect beings.

[Говорящий 2]
Sunpa literally means work hard, right?

[Говорящий 1]
So that's- I know, but I wondered what was in the Sanskrit. What is it usually? I mean, it could be that they're diligent.

But no, I think it's supposed to be, I mean, even though it might somehow go against the definition of a Buddha or something, I think it's supposed to mean they put in great effort for that goal of protecting, as opposed to having one as presented in the last verse. I mean, there's a done there too. So you could even phrase it like the goal of their efforts is to protect living beings or something.

Or for the sake of- They live to protect.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, by definition, they have met their own and others' goals.

[Говорящий 1]
Right. Yeah, but it's poetry, so it's not, I don't think it's- I know it's poetry. I was just wondering what the Sanskrit says.

Okay, what is it? I think it's the yukta, like yoga, to practice something, to engage in something. Really?

Whoa. I do not. It's true that I think that.

Especially Michael made it, he, we almost, we discussed this, and he said it's very, very, very rare that the second line of the Sanskrit would come in the first two lines of the Tibetan, but it could happen. Well, what's the- It's very rare that what? So a word that you find in the second line of the Sanskrit would be within the first two lines of the Tibetan.

[Говорящий 2]
What about the adyava? I-yay-va.

[Говорящий 1]
So I'm not ruling it, I mean, I'm not trying to rule it out, I'm just saying it requires some scrutiny because he made that statement. Thank you, Nick. This isn't, I thought adyava- Adyava means like now, like this very day.

Oh, so that's the therefore, the Tewi. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah. Ah, me. But the jinn is at the end, Nick, and it's in this first line.

It is. Yeah. So that makes…

It's distinctly so. Yeah. So this one is…

We have proof that it is. And the Bala is in the first line, and it's in the third line.

[Говорящий 2]
Top. Mahat. Mahat.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Totally. Okay. So then it is all over the place in this one.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
So you think it's yukta?

[Говорящий 1]
To just engage… Like to do something? I'm…

Let's see. I'm a little bit… I'm unclear with mud.

Um… Because the artha is the dun. Yeah.

Artha. It is. There it is.

So what's the mudmud? Can't mudmud? Doesn't mud mean very, Ben Kramer?

Like some would… It can… Yeah, maybe.

I mean, it can mean… I don't know. Like mix or happy or…

Hmm. I'm not sure because there's some sundy going on here. So what would it make something a D when it comes before a Y?

I'm not sure. I'm really not sure. But I don't find mud yukta.

So… Hmm. There's sundy.

That would have been helpful. But…

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
I think mud can be mut too. Right. Yeah.

Right. And before the Y, it probably becomes a D because it softens it or something. We're out of time.

That looks right.

[Говорящий 3]
Oh, yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
We are. We could do a provisional… Yeah, we could just finish.

Okay. Cool. 29, 24.

Yay. All right. Cool.

Thank you very much, you guys.

[Говорящий 3]
Thank you, Seiji.

[Говорящий 1]
Thanks, Seiji. That was fun. Thank you.

Thank you. Yay. Are you…

Can I get a round word? No. Oh, yeah.

You're in… Yeah. You're not home.

No class. I'm going to hang out with some Mexicans. Have fun.

Cool. Enjoy Mexico, man. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Enjoy. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
You said, caring Mexicans. That's what you heard. That's what you heard.

All right, guys. Thanks, Seiji. Bye, friends.

All right. See you guys Saturday. Saturday.

Yay. Bye. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Говорящий 3]
Bye.

[Говорящий 1]
Bye.