Сейджи Арао — Книга 2: Мастер Шантидева, занятие 25

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Курс: Seiji Arao — Book 2: Master Shantideva (Diamond Cutter Classics) — «Руководство к образу жизни бодхисаттвы» Мастера Шантидевы
Урок: занятие 25 — Xuanzang's Tower, Bodhisattva Way of Life, Session 12 (Aug 12, 2024)
Ведёт: Ник Лашо (в отсутствие Геше Майкла Роуча); разбор перевода — Сейджи Арао Такахаши и Бен Крамер
Дата и место: 12 августа 2024; место не указано
Источник: YouTube, канал Diamond Cutter Classics, плейлист PL1KVm5jgTljSp6vDnCG3LZlYhA2STM3UR; расшифровка TurboScribe
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[Говорящий 1]
All right. Yeah, these guys are doing an incredible job. For those of you who don't know, this is my sign.

I come from Guadalajara. And I know each of them personally. They're doing incredible work for people that really, really, really need it.

So yeah, awesome interview. Okay. All right.

So let's go to Shantideva. See. Okay.

You guys can see my quiz?

[Говорящий 2]
Yes. Awesome.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. So last class, we were able to see three paragraphs. So I'll put the each question per paragraph.

We are introduced to a new character in our journey through the lower, the hells. Who remembers this new way? We actually discussed about it quite a lot.

And I think it was Word or Ben who realized that we're talking about a special, a particular person who remembers who that was. Yep. Yep.

Oh, maybe it was Venerable Pal. And what do you think was the point that Master Shantideva is trying to make in that paragraph? Why do we mention this person?

He's trying to help us get renunciation. Right. Well, particularly it was saying that that's nothing like nothing compared to our complete annihilation or death.

So even if that's, we encounter about as scary being as we can, doesn't compare to the fear of our destruction. Second one, at this stage, how can we protect ourselves from these horrors? If I remember correctly, it said we can't.

Right. Great question. I didn't want to say it because it's just kind of sad, but yeah.

Yes. Well, which actually goes well with what we're going to see this class, right? It's kind of like Master Shantideva is bringing us to depression to tell us what to do next.

It said no matter where you look for no, there's no protectors. Last question. If the victors protect living beings and have the power of dispelling fear, why can't they protect us there?

What can we learn from this part of the text?

[Говорящий 3]
Because there is two parts. First part is because we need to have karma. So the victor can protect us.

Second thing is emptiness. Perfect.

[Говорящий 1]
Yes.

[Говорящий 3]
Victors protect living beings. Whether the victor can protect us or not is emptiness coming from us.

[Говорящий 1]
Right.

[Говорящий 3]
We need to have karma to make it happen.

[Говорящий 1]
Perfect. Yes, they can protect and they do have that power, but come from our seeds. Yes, yes.

There's a quote I really like that they cannot wash away our bad deeds with water, can only help us by teaching. Okay. So vocabulary.

Is it without the I? Yes. I think you said something.

[Говорящий 3]
No, I was just agreeing that it's without the I.

[Говорящий 1]
Lord of Terror. Super scary guy. Horrible looking.

This is not the definite translation, but this is what we said. Yeah, yeah. Let's see what Geshe-la says.

In the four directions. Yeah, every direction. Right, right, right.

Four directions. Wait, it's not ten? You're right.

No, every direction is a better translation. Here it says the four directions, but every direction is definitely a good translation. And Kyab Tzu Chi.

Go for refuge. Awesome. All right.

Okay, well thank you for that quick homework. Now we have our second, let me see. So we stop here, and there's the next verse.

Larry, I want to work with you Nick to see how I can take the Sanskrit, because I think Geshe-la hasn't had the time to check these texts in a while. Oh yeah. Yeah.

We got to get that. Well, if Aisha is here she can share the verses with us or Ben I think you opened last time right? I might be able to do it.

You still have it readily available?

[Говорящий 2]
Somewhere, there are a bunch of different versions so I would love to get Aisha's opinion on which one to use, but I could probably come up with something at least.

[Говорящий 1]
I think Geshe-la had chosen one from, Aisha sent him a few. Right. I have no idea where that might be.

Yeah. Folder on his desktop. Right.

Accessible to us all. Well, Seiji, as far as the, we can look at the Tibetan here for a minute and if the Sanskrit comes through that'd be awesome. So, this translation here, let's see.

Let's just go through it line by line and see what we think together. Right. Anybody know what Tuk Su Chupa means?

Excuse me. Tuk Su Chupa. So, I believe that Tuk is like the honorific for Nying, anybody know what Nying means?

Heart. Yes. Holy heart.

[Говорящий 3]
Depends on how you spell it.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, right. That's a good point. Well, Tuk in this case is the honorific for heart.

So like they call compassion Nying Je, but they say, if it's referring to the Buddhist compassion or something like that they'd say Tuk Je. And in this case, Tuk Su Chupa means, I believe, like grasping your holy heart or what you hold deep in your heart or something like that. Give me a sec, please.

Take two. And so what would a Tuk Su Chupa Je mean? Take the teaching, this part, right?

Yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
A teaching you hold deep in your heart.

[Говорящий 1]
I think so, yeah. I think so. Tuk Su Chupa Je, a teaching deep in your heart.

And Korway Jigpa, what do you think that is, Seiji? The samsara. Yeah, the samsara.

Yeah. Yeah. Jigpa is, we've been talking about terror, horror, whatever.

Selwa? What is Selwa? Yeah, good.

Yeah, without looking at the English, or by looking. Sel, clear light. It's related.

Clear way. Oh, nice. There is Sanskrit in the chat.

[Говорящий 2]
I think so. I think that's right.

[Говорящий 1]
It's got a dharma. That means chuh. That's cool.

Samsara. But yeah, it looks right. Jongchub Sempa.

Anybody?

[Говорящий 2]
It's sure obvious in the Sanskrit. Good.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. It's right there in the Sanskrit. Tuk.

Jongchub Sempe Tuk. Tuk. The group of bodhisattvas.

And Seiji, Kyab Tzu Chi. Take refuge. Nam Tak Kyab Tzu Chi.

Completely? I guess, yes. Super take refuge.

[Говорящий 2]
Super.

[Говорящий 1]
Take super refuge, I think. Correct. Thorough.

I don't know. I just tried to make it simple. Dation.

Like? Yeah, I think here it probably means and so. Dation often means like and so forth, and thus, or, and in that way.

Like that. Like. And then, I don't know.

Just thought. This is the rough translation. Okay.

I don't know. I was thinking maybe that young. But mean like you do it in a perfect way.

In a true way that you're not just saying, you know, saying the word. That's, that's cool. Yeah, I like that.

It's like you're really taking refuge as opposed to just saying a prayer or something. That's great. And that's I take maybe a nice way poetic way to phrase that.

Fully wholeheartedly take refuge something like that. Yeah, I like that. But maybe I wholeheartedly take refuge.

Ben knows I try to avoid adverbs. So, although I gave one I put one here. Awesome.

Stephen, Stephen King says to avoid it. I believe him. And he's scary so he's appropriate for.

Maybe he is the henchman of the Lord of death. In this teaching we hold so I took the last line and started with that, because that seemed to make sense. Which is often a good way to switch these languages to English.

We got to 222 participants and so lucky. Let's see. So the teeth.

This is what I'm interpreting here. The date that took such a picture, the teaching that we hold deep in our hearts. Korway.

It dispels the fear of the cycle of pain is what I'm thinking. And then that tongue is and. So I think what's happening here is we're taking refuge in the two to two to two to be sure that our way to sell, like the teaching that we hold deep in our hearts that dispels the fear of the cycle of pain.

Dispels the fear, and Tom. The juncture of Sempit soak collection. What did I say, the assembly of.

Assembly is right because we're not we're not talking about one particular assembly of bodhisattvas but I mean you could say all of that or something. Yeah. Massive bodhisattvas.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, I guess it's got gone on, like, say like on a chakra Buddha.

[Говорящий 1]
Let's look at the Sanskrit.

[Говорящий 2]
The wheel right. Oh no, gone on like, I think gonna means like a group.

[Говорящий 3]
Gathering.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, right.

[Говорящий 1]
It's gonna chakra Buddha circle of gathering.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, the multitude, whatever. It's a murder of crows, a pod of dolphins, a pack of wolves, and a posse of bodhisattva.

[Говорящий 1]
All right, why not. A garden of mixed nuts. Yeah, next.

Yes, good. Very good. All right, so I will, by the way, you're gone.

[Говорящий 2]
is accusative, meaning. Yeah, it is the, the object of refuge, as you said, it is going to.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, right.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
We're accusing them of being objects of refuge.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. And then the other one also right ends in a. Yeah, cool.

Some sort of by accusative. Yeah, that's also an accusative case marking particle of being nice.

[Говорящий 1]
That's really helpful to them. What's the equivalent of that in West Chinese.

[Говорящий 2]
It's a lot done. Yeah, right.

[Говорящий 1]
We say logged in translator, I mean, a lot particle, one of the various articles to represent to. Yeah. And it's here just represented by law.

[Говорящий 2]
Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, to that also.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, maybe. Any other interesting noteworthy things in the Sanskrit.

[Говорящий 2]
Looks great. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, what's kept searching in Sanskrit, anyone.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh yeah that's right there that's an easy one. Somebody. Somebody who doesn't know is should so shut up, shut on them.

You got it.

[Говорящий 1]
I know it from guessing my car, reciting the spirit.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Buddha got me shut on them. Buddha, I guess. Yeah.

Thanks. Thanks. Alright, cool.

Okay so next one. Yeah. When you have a DB why it's yeah.

So the top, the top suffix before the pot. Usually, Paul with a water with a your talk, be why is usually job. But when there's a, a towel in front, it becomes yeah.

Just like when you. Yeah. Okay.

Doc, a CG me. Fear. Yeah, and with this.

Ah, GPA. Well, it's because of. Yeah, due to fear or something or because of my fear.

But although, and then it goes right to numb Chuck nervous. Terrified. Terrified.

I think so. Yeah, Chuck. So, it kind of looks like a progression like GPA and I'm Chuck pay.

I don't know if it's saying out of fear or fear becomes terror. Would it be something like overcome by fear. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. Overcome by fear and terror or something.

Well, Chuck. Sorry, Chuck can be overcome. You're you're really say you were right without the D.

Yeah, suffix overcome by fear. Yeah. Oh, maybe we don't need the terror.

Right, because if we're overcome. That's kind of strong enough terrorized. Good.

Okay. Okay. Anybody.

Let's see. Oh, interesting. Some must have bad that's interesting thing.

Maybe I'm wrong but couldn't be sung is going to song is someone who I thought it was. And this could be a mistake in the typing of the Sanskrit was going to sample usually. Yeah.

Has anybody. No. It could be that the type of just accidentally hit the wrong key or something.

Or, I don't know, is there anybody know if there's a word some must.

[Говорящий 2]
Well, some must have should be like to stay in or something some must have hard route. I can look it up, at least. Seems like it's two words semester, and I draw some must have maybe like some of the TV.

Oh, some of the stuff can mean. Oh, can you like collected. So maybe that's couldn't do right like all put together.

[Говорящий 1]
Uh huh.

[Говорящий 2]
And then, Badra like good like. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
So this may be collected goodness instead of perfect goodness.

[Говорящий 2]
It looks like sure looks like.

[Говорящий 1]
It's definitely offering we're offering to somebody named condescending. Right, yeah. Yeah, sure.

Because there's a lot condescending lot doc me pull pull as I offer. Doc me myself to, I don't know, yeah maybe it's collected goodness. You know, there is a level with.

Well, um, let's just looking at it too and it's usually to songbo instead of. Ah, I thought Samantha Badra would be going to sample and should make sense as to why we see this semester here. Yeah.

Yeah, let's say gathered goodness or something like that or. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know it's just what came to the top of my head. Christina says it can mean equal or level with.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, we have another version of the Sanskrit, that says the month of Badra.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh no.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, we do. So, um, I think it's a month of all day.

[Говорящий 1]
It might be. You can see it there, it may even be a Tibetan input, or that to and that to. Uh huh.

Uh, interesting, super similar looking, you know, all the way.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, see look I'm finding an alternate reading of that line in a different version that team input and look there it says Samantha Badra.

[Говорящий 1]
Uh huh. Cool. All right, maybe it is.

[Говорящий 2]
And then there seems to be some tension about what the verse numbers are.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, if it was me and I was gonna show it to get you my call. Yeah, put both. That's a good idea.

Who's jumping on CG gentle voice magician. Yeah. Who's doc me myself my.

Yeah, I am. Yeah, you are you're looking at him, sir. Ducky Lou.

My buddy. Yeah. We'll argue offer.

Right. I think so. Yeah, it's more up above but I think this means the same thing right.

Oh yeah, for the night. Well, I mean that's what I put it up. I'm just going off memory there, which I don't trust all the time.

He suffered right. Oh, let's look. I don't trust me.

Yeah, I look for it says offering. Oh yeah I just looked it up. All right, cool.

Poverty but yeah. All right. So, so far it looks good to me.

Cool. Should we put anything here for guess not too good. Or no.

We're going to go through it with them. I think your English there is going to be enough to remind us that we have a question. Cool.

I mean, as your text for. No, I rather just keep it in the English, let him do the, the West Chinese. Probably a good policy.

Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. You're by the way now and so now I'm favoring using this other version just in case.

[Говорящий 1]
I think I missed a word. Let's see if we, somebody else can help me figure out what I think I missed a word. What's took Jake just talked about it too.

Few lines ago to Jay.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh yeah, yes. Yeah, for sure. We just call it compassion.

[Говорящий 1]
Scott compassion. California.

[Говорящий 2]
Mad compassion.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, bro. Oh man. I got bit by another stingray today my foot.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, Jay.

[Говорящий 1]
Compassion for myself. I was so enthralled by the perfect waves I was about to go in and then I got down it was so sad.

[Говорящий 2]
You can say that I guess you Michael said once. You can say you can be like, Oh, bummer, or I feel bad for you. I was in a shop once where they were speaking this language and, and a guy was like stumbling in.

Like he kind of looked drunk, and he was stumbling all over himself and stumbled out of the shop and I said to the shop owner, Jay, and he was like nah forget that guy he's just a drunk.

[Говорящий 1]
Anyway, the word worked. I took a chip on my true. What does that mean.

[Говорящий 2]
What's my trouble I mean, you're faultless here.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, or unmistaken, but I left out chip I just because I was, you know, probably thinking about food or something. What's Chippa. You engage in your practice.

Yeah, you're the answer. So maybe this means something else like loving eyes, like maybe it's like all this in your or something or. That's right.

Yeah, all this and how you carry out your company not don't say it like this but like, is the meaning like pop this and how you carry out your compassion. Yeah, right.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, I like that.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, and you're flawless practice of compassion or something. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
All this.

[Говорящий 1]
I should practice.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah. flawless practice in your flawless practice of great compassion, or something.

[Говорящий 1]
Out of great compassion and putting around for my wife.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, holy putty soccer.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. You all see my kitchen now. Who's who's generosity.

[Говорящий 2]
I don't know there's something Sanskrit there.

[Говорящий 1]
Don't look don't look. Oh yeah. Yeah, cool.

English CG. See, let me put the Sanskrit. Oh yeah yeah.

Yeah, please. Thank you, Ben, by the way. Oh palings got it.

She's just translating in there. Thank you. Did you hit the gun, and the second one.

Generously. Good. No, I thought about it, but I forgot to write it.

Which is better than the chip I actually just glossed over completely but the gun. I know, I just forgot to I must have been thinking about food at that point. Thank you.

This is why Adam gets to have the steampunk back in background. Is that a virtual background or is that actually your basement, do this where I'm hanging out nowadays.

[Говорящий 2]
Can't tell you.

[Говорящий 1]
Tennessee good so okay, what should it say. Oh, that's me just protect. I mean, protect.

Maybe like something like all of the guys are protect or something.

[Говорящий 2]
He's coming. He's on his way in that next one, I think.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, wait a minute. You've got. Is it the, I think you've got a different verse.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, you got the wrong line there.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, exactly.

[Говорящий 2]
You, I don't believe the line numbers there's a discrepancy between these two versions so grab my 51 I'm afraid for your 50. Okay. Sorry.

It's confusing. And I haven't been consistent, either, because I pulled from two different texts and decided I like the one better that doesn't agree with nurse number. Great.

Now we're talking. All right.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. I'm not. Is it this one.

[Говорящий 2]
Yes. Right. It is.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, there we go.

[Говорящий 2]
What are we looking for.

[Говорящий 1]
I was looking for the genesis.

[Говорящий 3]
Yeah, we're.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
Good place to start.

[Говорящий 2]
I'll keep them in the first one. Right, so it's Sunday I don't know where that and oh it's the young, I guess. Yes, and, or also, and when a joins within a low key time you get a low key them.

[Говорящий 3]
Okay, so it's the end.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, yeah, yeah, just so. Right.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, so then in that case, where are we going to throw in that, that gun.

[Говорящий 2]
Gun.

[Говорящий 1]
Tennessee good. Oh loving eyes. Our good predict.

Yeah. Yeah, or Oh protector loving eyes I like how positive.

[Говорящий 2]
I'm not. Not.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh yeah, not.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, not dumb. Look, dumb, dumb to not dumb.

[Говорящий 1]
And there's a bunch of words on the next line. Any guess. Oh, oh, this desperation.

I'm weary. Yeah, I put desperation but I think it was a little bit loose there like I think it's just like something that's like a terrible situation or something right. Exhausted.

Yeah, I just thought it sounded nice to say desperation but, or. Yeah. Yeah, I like it.

Distress. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that.

I said you're not allowed to say anything anymore because you make us look dumb with how smart. Just kidding. This dress is awesome.

But I like whatever you want say jeans here. But I think the rest of your narrow all means like hollering crying. But you can embellish it because the, the Tibetan certainly does.

I just said, but like narrows like I cried out with a whale or something. Cry out by crying. Sometimes shorter is sweeter if you look at Gershwin Michaels translations.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
How about whale.

[Говорящий 1]
You like it. I will. I will desperation, who w what.

[Говорящий 3]
A-I-L.

[Говорящий 1]
This?

[Говорящий 3]
A-I-L. No.

[Говорящий 1]
But we could say I whale, W-H-L. I'm a whale. I am a whale.

No, E at the end. I dolphin in desperation. There you go.

Flounder? You could say flounder. Yes, I'm flounder.

I don't know this. OK. Cool.

And then, what's a dikden? Who's a dikden, besides me? Yeah, who's a dikden?

Seiji, who's a dikden? Me. Someone that has bad deeds.

Someone that has bad deeds. Maybe it doesn't mean you're doing them now, but... I don't know.

Ten minutes ago was a different story. Now, dikden dakla. Who's that again?

Me. Me with all... Oh, okay, yeah.

I, with all my bad deeds. Yeah. Kyab Tuso?

Take... Oh, yeah, ask. Yeah, I ask you to...

Hmm. Oh, yeah, beg you to protect me. Cool.

Yeah, kyabba. Like, like when we are like, like when we say kyabpa majung, and it doesn't, it doesn't cover. So the same...

It's the same word, kyab, cover. Something like that. I ask you to protect me.

Dakla. So that's like, pointing to me. Let's see.

Where is it in the Sanskrit?

[Говорящий 2]
Mom, me.

[Говорящий 1]
Aha, to me, dak. So there's the la as the M with the dot under it again.

[Говорящий 2]
Accusative, singular.

[Говорящий 1]
What's papina?

[Говорящий 2]
Papa means bad deeds.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, yeah, that's right. I knew it from the fire offering, but I...

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, right.

[Говорящий 1]
Cool. All right. Okay, so next one.

[Говорящий 2]
I'm gonna give it to you again, Seiji, just keep in mind that this is your 51, not your 52.

[Говорящий 1]
Cool.

[Говорящий 2]
All right, thank you. And I haven't split up words here, right, which is probably a healthy exercise, but I didn't do it. And if we really wanted to be very thorough, that's what Geshe Michael would want, would be for us to practice that.

Okay. Oh, boy. Oh, we actually have to translate this.

Like, what happened?

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, sorry. I had to figure something out. Okay, interesting.

So who's the pakpa? Arya. What's the namkha?

Well, Arya, the essence of the sky? Yeah, I think so. Namkha nyingpo.

Who's the dang?

[Говорящий 2]
Tasha Garbo.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Pakpa namkha nyingpo.

[Говорящий 1]
And Sai nyingpo. What's Sai nyingpo, then? Essence of...

The ground. Yeah, essence of earth. Essence of earth could sound good.

[Говорящий 2]
Tasha Garbo.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. The first line is namkha nyingpo, the essence of sky, and the second line is Sai nyingpo, the essence of earth or ground or whatever is most appealing to your ears. Okay, so it looks like we're talking to these two guys.

Arya, exalted essence of sky and essence of earth. And then out of there, Tukteche. What is Tukteche?

Somebody who went to the monastery.

[Говорящий 2]
I mean, say thanks, man.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, thanks. Thanks, dude. Say honorific.

With compassion. No, honorific, thank you. Oh, yeah.

Like Geshe Michael's book, Katrin. Tukteche. I don't think it means thank you here, Tukteche.

I think it means Tukteche, like your big Tukteche. Yeah, your great compassion. Yeah.

Your great compassion, Gun Tamche. The great compassion of all the guns. Protectors.

Yeah. We're just figuring it out piece by piece, Seiji. We're doing a lot.

Yeah, to the great compassion of, to the protect, all the protectors. Let's see. What are we doing to all of them?

[Говорящий 2]
Not just any, yeah, great.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Capsule. Refuge.

Take refuge. I will, so it means like find. I think it means request here or something.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh.

[Говорящий 1]
Follow. Ning ne.

[Говорящий 3]
Oh, I look for refuge.

[Говорящий 1]
Seek refuge. Seek refuge, yeah. And I think this Ning, I think is going to actually be heart.

Because we keep having compassion and stuff, but Ning, in essence, but Ning here, I'm guessing it means Ning ne odobo, like I call out from my heart or something.

[Говорящий 2]
Hmm. Sincerely.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, or sincere in sincerity, that's Ning ne odobo.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, from my heart. Yeah, like that. Same, yeah.

Like from the bottom of my heart, something like that, right?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. But if there's an odobo, which is what we had before in the previous verse, Seiji, which means something like calling out. We translated it all together as whale, but now it doesn't have the word before it.

So it's like, it's just like the calling part. Without the crying, I think. I'll have to look it up to remember.

What's the Sanskrit say, I wonder.

[Говорящий 2]
Well, I see this kurpa, maybe repeated. So, right, sarva maha. Well, I don't know, or is kurpa, I'm not sure.

[Говорящий 1]
Uh huh. I was thinking it was the trana. Oh, kurpa.

Oh, it is kurpa. Kurpa is call out. Like, you know, kurpa is maybe compassion.

[Говорящий 3]
Oh.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, so kurpa. Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
So odobo means call for help. I don't know if I seek for refuge. You also seek for refuge.

It's like, I'll just tell you the meaning, and then you, with your poetic nature, will figure out a way to say it. But it's saying, I call for help from the bottom of my heart to, you know, seek refuge from all of the protectors with great compassion. Like, the essence of sky and essence of Arya, the exalted essence of sky and essence of earth.

[Говорящий 3]
I don't know. Because Sanskrit, you know, you have cha-cha, so it's sort of both Aryas.

[Говорящий 1]
Ah, cool. Yeah. You're saying that the pakpa distributes?

Yeah. It would follow that dot there again, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, both.

I called you both. Sure.

[Говорящий 2]
What is this, Christina, do you know this sundae? It happened twice now, this au. So aham is me, and then the y before the aham, I guess, is an I.

So, but I don't know, like au seems like a weird sundae. I don't know if it's weird at all.

[Говорящий 3]
It is a weird sundae. I think it's just like an expansion, like vairaga is from virya, it means it's adjectival sometimes.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay. Okay, okay. I'd have to look at it more deeply.

Sure.

[Говорящий 1]
All right. Cool. Yeah, you can, you can, we can poetify it together, you can do that on your own.

Find a way. Yeah, cool. All right.

Okay. Oh exalted Did you miss that in the Oh, it's just a, that's good. In your writing there, it's probably put it in the chat.

Thank you. I got the age to age. Yeah.

Otherwise, like exhausted, which you may be. Fair enough. All right, thank you.

Okay. Can't shake Tony. Pony.

Pony. Chuck. Cheer.

Georgia. Oh, whoa. Cool, sexy.

Yeah, what's the last line say? Let's start with the easy part. I go for refuge to the diamond.

Holder of the diamond. The one who has the diamond, the one who holds the diamond. It's not Dorje Chang, which is how we usually speak, but.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, OK.

[Говорящий 1]
To the one who has the diamond? Yeah. It's different enough to not be confused.

Oh, maybe Vajrapani. I don't. Yeah, that's usually.

Or Vajrapani. Vajrapani. I've never seen either of them as Dorje Chang.

[Говорящий 3]
What do we have there in our Sanskrit?

[Говорящий 1]
Vajrinam. This one? Yeah.

Vajrinam. Whose name is? I don't know.

I think it's general. I don't think it's referring to somebody in particular.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, I mean.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, so indestructible then. I do see it in a dictionary where it says that it is an epithet of either Dorje Chang or Vajradhara or Vajrapani. Oh, cool.

OK, so it's not neither.

[Говорящий 2]
I mean, unfortunately, it's also Indra, but I'm fairly sure that's not who we're talking about.

[Говорящий 1]
Good job, Stacey. He left it super vague. That was that one.

Hoo, hol. It's the right pronoun in there. Oh, yeah, totally.

Hold on. It'd be like somebody on 47th Street. For every married woman.

Right, right. Tame Shinje. I think this is the Shinje we were talking about before, right?

[Говорящий 2]
Looks like this messenger again.

[Говорящий 1]
What did you say, Terry, what? We said horrible face or something.

[Говорящий 2]
Horrible looking.

[Говорящий 1]
Horrible.

[Говорящий 2]
He has to put up with this. He has to put up with what I'm telling you.

[Говорящий 1]
Well, isn't that, wasn't that Chick Chick? Oh, yeah. Now it's Shinje.

[Говорящий 3]
So I don't think that's horrible looking.

[Говорящий 1]
No, you're right. It's the Lord of, the Lord Butcher or something. Shinje.

Yama, the Lord of Death. Yeah, Yama. Oh, man, Amalie's been asking me a lot lately, who's Yama?

I don't know.

[Говорящий 3]
We've got him up there in the second line.

[Говорящий 2]
Yama. Nice.

[Говорящий 1]
So the Lord of Death. Tangne, Ganshik. Ganshik Tangne.

So what do you think is going on here? Ganshik, whoever has seen the Lord of Death. Oh, right.

[Говорящий 2]
Maybe.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. That would be mixing up your verb and your subject, which I don't think. I don't think they go.

That's true. No, but Ganshik Tangne, from having seen. No.

Yeah, you're right. Shinje. Yeah, you're right.

It's more like whoever has seen this. Then they're going to have faith in the Lord of Death and his messengers or something. So Uppala had a really good point that the order does not really allow that.

So it's like Tangne Chokshuj. Tangne actually means like crystal in faith, right? Look, there's a.

[Говорящий 2]
There's that genitive that you've got to account for. So anyone who has seen the holder of the diamond, perhaps. They.

Right. Whatever. They saw like the messenger of the Lord of Death.

[Говорящий 1]
I think it's more like Ponyam Lasuk. They have. They have faith or whatever.

Oh, what do you think the Dangwa means here? Sorry.

[Говорящий 2]
They're.

[Говорящий 1]
Malice.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, they they're. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
They're irritated by.

[Говорящий 3]
The Sanskrit seems to say, I will call this villain, the holder of the diamond. Ooh. The mess.

Yeah. Yeah. But the Lord of Death is more of a villain than the.

But he seems to be equating the two in this verse.

[Говорящий 1]
Let's see. All right. Whoever has seen this and Shinji Ponyam Lasuk.

Well, just just focusing on this first for a minute. Whoever has seen whatever we mentioned above. They're going to be angry at the messengers or people like the messenger of the Lord of Death.

[Говорящий 2]
Listen. Oh, yeah. So wrathful beings like people like wrathful beings like the messenger of the Lord of Death.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
When they see you.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, when they see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
They get dropped. They get freaked out. They're scared.

That's it. When they see you. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah. And they get this.

In fear. In every direction in all four directions.

[Говорящий 1]
In every direction.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 3]
So you're saying when they see you, the holder of the diamond. Right. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I guess it's you. I don't think it's those I go for refuge to the one who holds the diamond.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. But I think the rest of that is praise of the holder of diamond. Whenever they see you.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Oh, like praise of the holder of the diamond. And then you go.

And then we take refuge. Okay, cool. That's totally it.

Skiddaddle. Thanks. I would not have known how to spell that.

That's awesome. It took me two tries. Zoom correct you.

Oh, no, no, no. My dictionary. Right.

Did not correct me. So I had to try.

[Говорящий 2]
Dictionary. You were trying to do.

[Говорящий 1]
You might want to rephrase it a little bit. Like there's probably like, probably the way that gushy Michael would handle such a poetic. Raise.

Would be to start with like. He calls it the peekaboo. The peekaboo thing was like, whenever they see.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Whenever they see you. They run in fear. Like whenever the message.

And then, and then the last line will be like. To you, the one who holds the diamond. I go for refuge.

[Говорящий 2]
Like whenever, whenever wrathful beings. The messenger of the Lord of death.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Look up. On you.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. I spend.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
I gaze upon you. Nice.

[Говорящий 2]
They flee. They flee every. To every corner of the earth.

I like to get out of the cosmos.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. In fear.

[Говорящий 1]
Right. Word like that in somewhere.

[Говорящий 2]
I go for refuge to you. To you comma.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
The one who holds. To you comma. The one who holds the diamond.

[Говорящий 1]
Or you can say you. Way to do. Speaking of which.

Time. Speaking of object permanence. I know.

I love doing this text.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
It's been really fun. Mixed nuts. And.

All of you. To be here working on this. Super.

Amazing. Important text. Both of these.

Super amazing. Important texts together. So thank you.

Thank you, Ben. Thank you all. Yeah.

Everybody. Thank you. Michael.

Thank you, Michael. Even though you're not here today. And thank you.

Translators. Live. Interpreting.

Our difficult selves. Thank you, Francisco Marina. Tina.

And the worldview crew. And thank you. For being awesome.

And bringing us the news. The news that matters. Yeah.

That team of pilot of care. They're incredible job. Yes.

Super hard job. But they're doing an amazing job. Yeah.

Absolutely. Thank you team. Guadalajara.

Cool. And doing these amazing projects. Well, please tune in next time.

We look forward to having more fun together. And we'll see you soon. We'll see you on Saturday, if not sooner.

[Говорящий 2]
Yay! Thank you, Nick. Thanks, Nick.

Thank you, Nick.

[Говорящий 1]
Absolutely. Ciao, ciao. Hey, everybody.

I'm going to teach my book.