Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 28

[Speaker 3]
Dude, you got a haircut. That's true.

[Speaker 1]
Did dad do that haircut?

[Speaker 3]
You did?

[Speaker 1]
I said, who did it?

[Speaker 3]
My mom did.

[Speaker 1]
She, your mom did it. Nice. I like it.

You're looking good.

[Speaker 3]
That's a great haircut. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Super stylish, as usual. Very stylish, man. Is that Barbara?

Hi, Barbara.

[Speaker 3]
Hola, nice to see you. Crazy kid. Whoa, that's my face.

That, that's better. So, you're going to help dad with his perception text, huh?

[Speaker 1]
I don't know what that means.

[Speaker 3]
No people know what that means.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. What is perception text? What is perception, anyway?

We think we know. We think it's obvious, but maybe it's not.

[Speaker 3]
Maybe.

[Speaker 2]
Never trust anything you can't describe to a seven-year-old.

[Speaker 1]
So, how old you are, Ezra?

[Speaker 3]
Seven. You're seven. Oh my goodness, when did that happen?

On my birthday. Oh, on your birthday, of course. Duh.

[Speaker 2]
Not wrong. Ask a clear question, get a clear answer.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah. And when was your birthday? Do you remember?

Valentine's Day. On Valentine's Day? What a wonderful day to have a birthday.

I know. The very best day. That's true.

[Speaker 1]
Hey, look. Who's that noisy New Mexico kid?

[Speaker 3]
Right here.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, it's Ezra. I'm seven years old now. Seventy?

No, we're the same age. Seven. Seventy-seven?

Oh my gosh. You look good, kid. You look good for seven.

Wow, for 77, you look really good.

[Speaker 2]
That's a lot of exercise.

[Speaker 1]
You got more hair than me. I'm only 70. I'm seven years old.

Oh, seven. That's old. So, you must be in first grade now.

Second grade. Oh, first grade. Wait, I was trying to insult you.

I thought first grade was for six-year-olds.

[Speaker 2]
Second grade for another week.

[Speaker 3]
And then I go to second grade.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, now give me a second grade. Can you take your dad with you? Yeah, some stuff I'm overdue to learn there.

Would you shut that door for me?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Well, welcome back, everybody. I'm really excited for this class with Mr. Ben. Relish maybe this last class of understandable stuff, because I think it's about to get tough. And don't forget to tune in for words classes in the morning and yoga tomorrow. Check the schedule.

I will post a link in the chat again. Thank you. Hi, Nicholas.

Hi, Ben. Ben, you want to tell everybody about your book? Oh, right.

Sure. Tell them about your other book, too. Oh, my other book, Great Ideas in the East, is a collection of 101 different ideas, from especially Asian history, but in all of us.

And a way that we can use to look inside our hearts, a guide for looking inside our hearts, to see where we're at in our view of the world, and to entertain questions about whether or not that view of the world is serving us, and to decide what sort of a view of the world would be of greatest service to us. And we come into this world without a user's guide to our own hearts and minds, but it seems like that's just what we produce in this system. And from one angle or another, yet another style of user's guide to having a human mind.

And I think it's an exciting addition to that series. Do you want to talk about this book? Should we keep...

Do you want to pitch the other book more? We're going to release it soon. Within the next year, you can buy lots of copies of it.

I'm finished.

[Speaker 2]
You're finished. We're working on it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's a beautiful book. And as I mentioned earlier, it became advanced level three for DCI. And we wrote the manual.

It's about 300 pages. And it's really, really awesome. I think it may be the best level we ever did.

And we've been filming it recently. And it's really beautiful to see people's books finished after six years. And then they go immediately into public programs like DCI programs.

And it's really beautiful. It's very, very exciting for me. And I'm very happy about it.

And I think your book, unexpectedly, because your book was really hard, but it became a beautiful manual for business and for personal life. And it's going to be great. I think it's going to be very popular.

So cool. Your other book, I don't know. It's been exciting.

And working closely with this book has been exciting for me. And I feel like a lot has come from it for me. And I feel like I have this sort of sympathy for different views in the world.

And I feel very lucky to be- I feel very lucky to be part of a living lineage that is so clear in its descriptions of the truth of our hearts and minds. But also, as I've had the opportunity to take this tour of the history of other ideas, I see how different tools and metaphors from different teachers across time have been indispensable for our evolutions to get to this point.

[Speaker 2]
And I think that you'll get a lot out of it. I've gotten a lot out of it. It's been very healthy for my personal growth to see the ideas that came before the ideas that we've been learning together in classes to see how the point that we're at now or trying to get to evolved.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's really beautiful. And we found an ancient sutra with the roots of his book, which nobody had found. Tsongkhapa didn't find it.

And he mentions it, but he doesn't explain it. And then we found it inside of a sutra. And we translated that.

And then that became part of DCI already. So I think it's awesome. Tell us about your new book.

Yeah, new book is a commentary by a modern writer who passed onto his final nirvana in my lifetime. And there was a young, what, 20-year-old student who worked for him to insert the root text of the commentary into the volume that we're working with, which was Geshe Michael in what year? 1904, boss?

Yeah, 1804. I'm not sure. And it's a commentary on what is called the commentary to accurate perception.

And accurate perception is an older book, which invites us to question and even seek answers to whether or not these goals that we seek are attainable, how to come to conclusions about the end of pain, about the sources of pain, about the end of pain, how to bring others to see that, but also how to bring ourselves to be able to see the goals that we set for ourselves, how to see in our own minds the things that we have set our sights on

[Speaker 2]
so that we can really dig in and aim for those goals.

[Speaker 1]
Cool. All right. So let's go to the book and we'll confuse everybody.

By the way, if I say that you're still on vacation, what does that mean? Oh, it means that we are right now going through a biographical section of the book where we're having sweet little story times about the great masters of the lineage of accurate perception. And it's just a hoot and it's fun.

And you can get out your hot cocoa and put your feet up and relax before the hellfire and brimstone comes, maybe before the end of this term. And then we get into heavy brain breaking. Yeah.

So enjoy the last few classes of something you can understand because we're about to start the real book and it's been sort of a vacation and the hammer is going to hit you soon. Okay. And that book is extremely difficult.

So here we go. Where is that? Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

Yeah. Let me get rid of you guys. Okay.

All right. Let me get this big cursor up here. All right.

Please read, Ben. And I think Nick likes to check you first. My favorite.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Uh, Good. So do you remember what happened just before this? Yeah.

He, um, defeated, um, maybe of, of rebirth, I guess, Krishna Acharya came back as a son of one of his students. And then he brought a bunch of his new followers, Dharmakirti, uh, whooped them real good on the debate ground. And then those, of course, um, as, uh, Shankar Acharya was want to do.

He drowned himself in the Ganges. Yeah. He loves that bit life after life.

And then, um, a bunch of his followers, uh, became close students of master Dharmakirti. Yeah. Good.

Good. Uh, which is kind of a graceful way to lose a debate. You know, Uh, What's Um, uh, dirt, uh, dust, uh, they took the dust of his shove on their chivalry.

Um, yeah, the, uh, the, his, the dirt from his toes upon the crown of their heads. Yeah. It means they prostrated to him.

And they shook into the number timber. They entered into the, the teaching of the, the, the insiders, the cool kids, uh, who follow the teachings, uh, from the lineage of the Buddhas. And then they which Adam's book is describing.

They, they, they practiced it real good, refined their practice of it. Yeah. Uh, what's All right.

Of the, the great, the, the seven books, which, uh, this master himself wrote, uh, the seven books or I forget is Dignaga. They're all him, right? I think they're all Dharmakirti.

Yeah. Uh, it's a good question. It comes up a lot.

Uh, what's Sulshin means? Uh, Sulshin, um, they, uh, followed it. I mean, like, like he did or to the best of their, like, like him.

They studied it correctly. Okay. Correct.

And they became Shindukas. Oh, they became, um, super smart dudes, uh, mega masters. And therefore the Semide Dunkeba all over the Changchuk of Kache.

Yes. Oh, wow. Um, so thus the teaching on the seven books, uh, covered, um, in all of the directions.

What, as far as Kashmir? Yeah. Uh, well it became, it spread all over the Northern land of Kashmir.

Yeah. Uh, uh, yeah. Okay.

And so he kind of did his thing in North India. So what do you think he's going to do next? Uh, why don't you read one more, uh, Ben and how about Stanley?

You want to check? You can, if you want. Come on.

Hi, Ben.

[Speaker 2]
Hi, buddy.

[Speaker 1]
Good to see your pronunciation. It's got a Chinese accent.

[Speaker 2]
,RANG RGYAS KYI BSTAN PA LA, ,CHUG GSOD NAM GYI, ,SHING DU RGYEN DON GYI, ,DE MANG DU TSUGS SO, Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Uh, then the Lopin, who's the Lopin? Acharya.

[Speaker 2]
Master Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he went to Gyelgar Lodro.

[Speaker 2]
He went down South in the, uh, in India.

[Speaker 1]
And he met the Gyalpos and the Lumbos.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, the, the Gyalpos and the Lumbos. I mean, the kings and the Lumbos? Administrators.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, kings and their ministers, many. And he did the CHOD to them.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he taught them the truth, the Dharma, the way, the teachings.

[Speaker 1]
And then he CHUG them into the SANGS RGYAS KYI BSTAN PA.

[Speaker 2]
He put them into the, the teachings of the Buddha.

[Speaker 1]
And he TSUGED a lot of GYEN DON DES.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he, um, a lot of GYEN DON DES, a lot of groups, he like, uh, TSUGED, like amassed a lot of, uh, Institute, many. Oh, okay. Institute, like established a bunch of, um, groups of, uh, ordained.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, basically he set up a lot of monasteries. Okay. And he did that as a SEM DMGYI SHING, maybe for the Gyalpos and the Lumbos.

As a SEM DMGYI SHING, um, for the Gyalpos. Oh, as a, um, oh, uh, oh, like a, uh, like a, you know, we say like a merit field, but like as a way of having a place for them to collect goodness or something. Yeah.

So to help the politicians, he founded a lot of spiritual communities so that they could support them. That's the old days. All right.

Why don't you guys, same team on this next one. DE YIN LA BLO BU'I RANG GI ZHING PAS LA GANG RGYA MTSA TZAM LON YOD GZHAN LA DGOS NAS ZHING SU CHUG PA NI DE BA'I MANG This YIN means, YIN CHE means, uh, after that. Okay.

It means above that. But what it means is, uh, after that, after he did that other stuff, uh, he ZHING PA some, he ZHING PA a lot of LA GANGs. In fact, it was about a RGYA, RGYA THAMS PA.

Um, yeah, he established a lot of, probably monasteries. Yeah, he built like a hundred temples. Yeah, got about a hundred, TZAM.

TZAM LON means about a hundred. And he also ZHING LA DGOS to do the same thing. Oh, ZHING LA DGOS, he, um, encouraged others to take this on as well?

Yeah, to start building temples and monasteries. And they finished MANG than he did.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, even more than he did.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they were able to build like hundreds. Okay, so he inspired others to do that. All right, Stanley, you go sit down, take a rest.

Oh, Hasso, you want to come pick on Ben? Sit here. These retreat people, they kind of got spacey.

I don't know. I was already. Spacey.

Maybe, do you want to let Hasso read and you check him?

[Speaker 2]
Sure.

[Speaker 1]
That's more fun.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. The faster coming up fast, you're in trouble.

[Speaker 1]
I'll give you the first two for free. Okay. That's a Sanskrit pronounced from the Guadalajara accent.

Sangara. What is? Yeah, it's actually unusual.

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Keep going.

[Speaker 1]
Keep going. It's not finished yet.

[Speaker 2]
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. I hear Stanley. But I didn't hear well.

Okay. And then.

[Speaker 2]
It's not an English G.

[Speaker 1]
Nice pronunciation. Nice. Okay, let's go.

Now, Dr. Kramer is going to translate it. Then at that time, previous though? That is Shankaracharya.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, Shankaracharya took what? A third birth now?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, now he's in his third lifetime. His third. He's still hassling Dharmakirti.

He committed suicide twice when he lost.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, but he was even smarter than the last time?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. GNYIS LAS KYANG BYAS CHE CHE means NYON BAR. His...

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
His intellect was even faster than it had been in the last two births? Yeah, much faster. This cell is the one you see in meditation texts about almost acrobatic ability.

His mental processes were very, very fast. Better than the previous two lives. And on top of that, his LHAG PA'I LHAG was standing his sukha to him all the time.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, his angel of angels.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, his personal angel. He had a personal... Shankaracharya.

[Speaker 2]
Was standing his sukha like...

[Speaker 1]
I mean, you assume it's teaching him. Oh, showing his form to him. Appearing to him directly, the teacher.

Yeah, and he taught by him, Rigpa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he trained him in the...

[Speaker 1]
Spelling means knowledge.

[Speaker 2]
This spelling means knowledge. Right, yeah, not logic, but knowledge.

[Speaker 1]
Trained him in knowledge. And sometimes his LULANG MUSO ZHUG, the LHAG PA'I LHAG shook MUSO into Shankaracharya's LUL.

[Speaker 2]
Whoa, he dissolved directly into his body?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he took him over like... What do you call that? Possession.

The deity possessed Shankaracharya. So kind of hard to beat him. Okay, and RIG NE GANG LA MTHONG PA'I MA'A.

He taught him... He learned how to teach or profess all the RIG NES MTHONG PA'I.

[Speaker 2]
All of the sciences unstoppably or something?

[Speaker 1]
All the classical divisions of ancient knowledge, he became a master. And his mind cut through them like a hot knife through butter. That's the meaning of ASANGA.

Okay, so it's kind of a joke. Okay, anyway. Then his PHOG PA got THO BA.

Ghoresh? Yeah, he had great chutzpah. Okay, who?

[Speaker 2]
Shankaracharya.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, this opponent. He's even tougher. And any DGUL BA HU TSUL with him, it's kapo, kapo, gawa.

[Speaker 2]
Gawa, it was pretty hard for anybody who wanted to debate with him.

[Speaker 1]
GEN means to compete with somebody. GA is the moon. And the other meaning of the moon is to be the...

DO BU? The other. So to be...

The predator? Yeah, or to be his... Yeah.

Opponent? To be his match. For example, the honorific word for a wife or a husband is KUN DA.

Which means holy body mood. Which means the match of your body. It's a beautiful word for a wife or husband, KUN DA.

Okay, so DA can mean not just moon, but the second of anything. Because the moon itself is the second of the sun. So this DA here means debate DA.

All the people who tried to fight with him in debate would lose. Okay, very nice. Who can we torture next?

Thank you. Anybody want to try it? Rebecca, you want to try?

It's long, but it's easy. You're up here. And you're controlling the...

Hi, Ben. Take your time, do it right. So it's hard to say RND, but that's what it is.

[Speaker 3]
MI THOB CHUG GI PHRAG PA DANG RGYAL NA CHOG LAS NAM PAR RGYAL BAR NGYUR RO SER NA BRTZER NAS KYANG KHAR PHLO CHOG TSUL SONG Nice, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Then Shakyaracharya did a DZIL DRAG or KHYAB DRAG. And in modern Tibetan, KHYAB DRAG or DZIL DRAG means advertising.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, right. He's like, yeah, posted a sign.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he advertised that he wants to TSOD PA with CHUG GI PHRAG PA.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he wants to debate with Master Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
He let it be known everywhere that he was ready to take on. It's like a gunfight, you know, cowboys. And the other TSAMS SES...

[Speaker 2]
The other pramans.

[Speaker 1]
They suggested to him, Mun La, you should TSOD PA with Pandita Sen and get some experience. Before you take on Master Dharmakirti, you should go rumble with other masters. Yeah, why don't you go debate with some other panditas before you take on Master Dharmakirti?

And only then, DAG DROD means only then you can TSOD PA with CHUG DRAG.

[Speaker 2]
Then after that, maybe you can debate with Master Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
That would be leg.

[Speaker 2]
That'd probably be best.

[Speaker 1]
We know he's already a prideful soul. Sounds like us. Then he says, CHU means...

[Speaker 2]
They said that, but...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, CHU also implies honorific. They advised him politely. Maybe it's better you gunfight with some easier guys first.

[Speaker 2]
But he didn't listen.

[Speaker 1]
MA NYAN BAR, yeah, he didn't listen. That's almost anticipatory translation. If I gout the Pandita Sen, he said.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, if I whoop up on the other masters.

[Speaker 1]
If I beat the other panditas. NGES is an ancient word from Ra. NGES is a very, very ancient word from Ra.

If I beat the other wise people, I MI THOB NYAN DAG. And this is the NYAN in Kirti.

[Speaker 2]
I will not achieve great fame.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, nobody's gonna talk about how great I am if I defeat other debaters. I'm going after Dharmakirti. Okay, Pandita Sen Lamdang.

NGES NAG MI THOB, CHOS KYI BDAG PA RGYAL NA.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, now if I beat Master Dharmakirti on the other hand.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, CHOS LAS LAM PAR RGYAL BA'I RGYUR ROL means my fame will spread everywhere. Therefore, he went to Jagartha Cho.

[Speaker 2]
South India.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. All right. Hagridi, you wanna try?

Hagridi's gonna pick on me. Oh, you're gonna pick on Hagridi, I'm sorry. Okay, we're up here.

CHOS KYI BDAG PA. You go slow, you got control of the cursor. All right, there, that's wonderful.

CHOS KYI BDAG PA DANG RGYAL. PANG TSUN or PAN TSUN?

[Speaker 2]
PAN TSUN.

[Speaker 1]
PAN TSUN. TEN PA DANG, PANG, PANG TU. SUK DE?

SUK DE. SUK DE. SUK PA LOBAN CHOS KYI BDAG PA RGYAL.

MU TEK PA SAM SANGARA A. CHA RAYA. CHA RAYA.

Yeah. KEWA SUM PA. DE YANG YI RAB TU MUK TE GAL WA.

TEN PA LA, what? GAL WA. Thank you.

TEN PA LA SUK. SUK. SUK.

CHOS KYI BDAG PA LA SHES NE DAG PA. TEK PA. TEK PA?

Yep. TEK PA TU PO. TO PO.

Stay here, you can do one more. So he jelled CHOS KYI BDAG PA.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he went, he faced him.

[Speaker 1]
He met him. PHEN CHEN TEN PA'I PHANG DU TSUG means they wagered their system, right? Yeah, PHANG sometimes means a wager.

Sometimes it means, what do you call that? Witness. It can mean witness, but also it's like what you wager in a bet.

[Speaker 2]
Your stake, yeah, right.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, your stake. And they stake their schools. If you win, we'll all join your school.

If I win, you'll all join my school. That's PHANG DU TSUG, okay? And then they started to TSUG PA.

[Speaker 2]
They debated.

[Speaker 1]
And guess what? LO KUN CHIG GI BDAG PA RGYAL.

[Speaker 2]
They won again.

[Speaker 1]
Yep, BDAG PA RGYAL, they won again. Then, now, we have a happy ending. That was BDAG PA SANGS RGYAL ACHARYA.

[Speaker 2]
Wow, the non-Buddhist master, Shankaracharya, number three.

[Speaker 1]
I have a new translation for mudagpa. I don't know. You guys probably won't like it.

I call it river school. Normally, they teach you to translate it as non-Buddhist. It's a specific school that says, if you walk down the Ghat into the Ganges River and jump in, you will achieve enlightenment or something like that.

So, I like to call them river schools. That's a new translation of mine. Okay, anyway, the Acharya Khyawa Sumba, he, that Khyawa Sumba got his yi garabdha mukpa.

Oh, his mind got super fuzzy? Yeah, he got totally bewildered after he tried, bewildered. And as a result, it's kind of a weird cause and effect here.

He shuddered to the yi garabdha mukpa. Whatever it takes, I guess.

[Speaker 2]
He then entered into the teaching of the Buddhas, out of confusion, apparently.

[Speaker 1]
And then, this is a special kind of faith called shenay depa. Shenay depa. So, depa is shraddha, faith.

And then, shenay depa is a special sort of faith, which is based on knowledge. He had experienced how beautiful this teacher was by debating with him. So, out of knowledge, he had faith in him, and not out of some kind of foolish belief or faith.

Faith based on personal experience of this other person, because he debated with him. Okay, Ram's going to do this verse, okay? And I know he's going to go, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa.

Kerav sum gyi... Three sets of two. Kerav sum gyi paro du la.

La. Ngenje, ngenje. Why is it the other line?

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Rick be non Chuck, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Boom do K, not. Oh, Danny.

Chucky drop a damn shape. Ben. This is our Ben Kramer right there.

DENG MA DENG MA DENG MA DENG MA YI MUG MUG YI MUG GANG GIS SHANG TU PHUR CHI PHUR CHI PHUR CHI CHI BAR CHI BAR LANG Yeah, good. KHYAD RAB ZIN GYI BAR DU LHAG NYEN CHE So what you guys just did in the lay room, the other word for that is NYAN BAR. And that means a diamond way retreat to get close to the deity.

So nye, nye, the word nye is contained within nyenpa, which means close, upa, to get close. So for three different kiraps, he tried to get close to his la. Yeah, for three lifetimes he tried to get close to his angel.

Yeah, his tutelary deity, okay, his little angel. Then Pope here is ancient form of bap or pop. He sent down nam chak.

Nam chak means lightning bolts that supposedly have diamonds at the tip. The word is super steel lightning bolts, but supposedly they have diamonds at the tip. They can smash anything.

And what are his nam chaks? They are rikpa.

[Speaker 2]
Diamond bolts of a thousand diamond bolts of wisdom or a hundred diamond bolts of wisdom. Arguments.

[Speaker 1]
His nam chak is with an S. So he sent a thousand lightning bolts of arguments. He dropped them.

He sent them down against Dharmakirti. He tried to smash him.

[Speaker 2]
Ge ne?

[Speaker 1]
Ge means to yewa. Yewa.

[Speaker 2]
To divide?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he split. And bum means a hundred thousand.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, wow.

[Speaker 1]
So he split off a hundred thousand steel tip diamond lightning bolts to destroy Dharmakirti. Okay, but what is ben? Does anybody know?

I'll give you $10. I know words. Target.

That's so irritating. Yeah, okay. Ben means target.

Like the rings that you shoot the arrow at. But you know the rest. He didn't ne the ben of the nam chaks of Chukidampa.

[Speaker 2]
He didn't hurt the target of the positions, the understandings presented by Master Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, good. His hundred thousand lightning bolts didn't hit the target. Didn't touch the target.

[Speaker 2]
Hurt it at least, even if it touched it, I guess.

[Speaker 1]
Then his ye got mooped.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, his mind got spacey.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and here's that duel again. He wiped the dust off the feet of Dharmakirti with his forehead. Okay, cool.

Kind of a heavy verse. One more, Mr. Heavy. I don't know that word.

Is that Che? Che. Che gyar?

Drul? Drul, like chuku. Drul ne su rikya tongi.

Is this also a meter thing? It is. It used to be.

Until like twice. Just to get the words. Gangi kaylan go kyab?

Go trap. Go trap cha samla ang. Nupar minu gupe tu?

Tu shuk. Tu shuk lang rikpe wang pang. Wang chuk.

Wang chuk pe wo? Pao. Pao.

Shu pao. That's his name. Kyop?

Kyop min su. Okay, good. Che, you know Dr. Ben?

It's one of those six organs.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, tongue.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, your tongue. Into a hundred... He drilled it into a hundred...

Emanated his tongue in a hundred directions or something? Yeah, he split his tongue into a hundred mouths. And he presented kya and even tong.

When you see kya tong, it means kya, oh no, tong.

[Speaker 2]
A hundred, nay a thousand lines of logic.

[Speaker 1]
Arguments, yeah. So he split his tongue into a hundred instruments and presented a hundred, no, a thousand different arguments. Khagye Khelan.

But the person that he was debating against, which is Dharmakirti, right? His khelan.

[Speaker 2]
His position.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, his positions. And here he uses the ancient word kocha for kocha. And I know all you retreat guys know what kocha is.

Om, yang, wung, wung, wung, wung, wung, wung. Oh, when the buses go down? Armor, who said armor?

[Speaker 3]
I did.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, good. So it's kocha. In the diamond way practice, it's called kocha.

In the ancient language, it's called gotra. So it didn't touch even a cha of the gotra of Dharmakirti's kingdom.

[Speaker 2]
Not a bit, not a part.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. It didn't scratch the armor of Dharmakirti's positions, even though he split his tongue into a hundred instruments. Gnupa-mi-nu, couldn't hurt him.

Then instead of getting angry or hating Dharmakirti, he took on the tulshuk.

[Speaker 2]
Tapas.

[Speaker 1]
Krupa.

[Speaker 2]
Austerity, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
He showed tapas. Shankaracharya took on the ancient hardship practice of krupa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, of reverence.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. For him, it was like trying to stay in a cave for 12 years to speak respectfully of Dharmakirti, to honor Dharmakirti. So Shankaracharya took on a personal hardship, similar to what Asanga did in the cave for 12 years, or whipping yourself or something, or sitting in the sun for three years or something.

For him, it was as difficult. He paid respect to Dharmakirti instead of jumping in the river. RIG PAS DBANG CHUB PA'O GYUR MIN GZUD Warrior Lord of Logic.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
He was not that?

[Speaker 1]
This is a special Tibetan expression. It means, if you're not the king of logic, who is?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And now the last line is referring to...

[Speaker 2]
Master Dharmakirti. If not GYUR MIN GZUD, if not you, who?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, if it's not you, then who? Let's have Dr. Hagrini finish this last line, since he's on a roll. DE DANG CHAGS GCIG BUR RANG TSE MANG PO SANG RGYAS KYIS BSTAN PA LA ZHUGS NAS BSTAN PA'I Jin?

Dak... Dakwa? Dakshin.

Nice. CHAGS GCIG means at the same time. CHAGS GCIG means simultaneously.

[Speaker 2]
DRAM TSE MANG PO A lot of Brahmins.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, a lot of high Hindu priests, ZHUGS, entered the Sandhyaki Dhamma.

[Speaker 2]
Entered into the teachings of the Buddhas.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and they actually became Jindaks for the Dhamma.

[Speaker 2]
They became sponsors.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Jindak is one of the most important words in the monastery. And by the way, it's just reality. They don't have any money.

They're not supposed to have money. They need Jindaks. So, CHEN PAS DAG PO means Lord of Giving.

All right. Stanley, you did already? Peter, you want to try?

No? You don't have to. Xiaoping can try.

Hey, wait. Come on. You got to go.

You got to go. Peter, you want to try? Just relax and do it.

Don't worry. This is how you.

[Speaker 2]
Just pronounce all the letters.

[Speaker 1]
You're going to start. This is Peter Bernofsky.

[Speaker 2]
It's good luck just for me to see your face.

[Speaker 1]
A lot of these guys just finished a one-month retreat, and we have to give them a hug. And they've been doing a lot of that in Europe also. Thank you.

Thank you for doing this. And I will write what you asked me to write. Very soon.

Thank you. Thank you. Good.

Good. Stay. You're going to do the next line.

So, then the LOP PA and GZHANG BA, ATSUD LA GANG, In the state of Kalinka.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, Master Dharmakirti established a temple, or probably a monastery, right? In Kalinka, in the kingdom of Kalinka.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. How do we know Kalinka?

[Speaker 2]
There was a pretty troublesome king there who cut off a bunch of digits from the Buddha in a previous life.

[Speaker 1]
What was the name of that? What was the Buddha's name in those days? He was called Supamawa.

Master of Patience. And he didn't get upset when they cut his fingers off. So if I steal your sim in Rome, you're not going to worry about it.

ATSUD LA GANG GZHANG NAS, DE'ER ZHUGS And then he ZHUGS in that ATSUD LA GANG.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he lived there.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, what is a ZHUGS LAG, you guys remember?

[Speaker 2]
A ZHUGS LAG.

[Speaker 1]
It's the ancient, ancient, ancient, ancient word for pustika. Temple. No.

ZHUGS LAG. Literally library, but I think it came to mean temple. Oh, it came to mean temple.

Very ancient word for scripture. Extremely ancient word. Yeah, that was pustika.

And then K'EWO MANG PO YIN DA YUL.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, a lot of people were born there?

[Speaker 1]
No, they got depa from him.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, many people who lived in that land developed faith in him.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and they came down with him.

[Speaker 2]
They took refuge.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. K'EWO means he got them to do it. Okay, all right, good.

Let's read this verse, Dr. Merrill. Ben, you're correcting him, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay. LOPA TEMPA KYE MALA KUNG MI CHU MI CHU MI, thank you. CHU MI VIPA GEMPE No way to guess that.

[Speaker 1]
GEMPE TAMPA Good, TEMPE. TEMPE GOLA CHUK Good, GOLA CHUK, great. GOLA CHUK YI DUNG MA Probably DENG GI, if we're on the third line.

DENG GI DUNG MI SABON Yeah, SABON. SHIN SHIN DGE RUNG DUG PA'I And then DENG WA, DENG WEI. DGE RUNG DENG WEI And then DU WEI.

DGE RUNG DU WEI Yes. KO YANG MA DU MANG DU MANG DU Nice. Great.

Okay, CHEN PA means wander, as you can see from the dictionary. It's not very common. Many kye dros, many droas were CHEN PA LUG PA, Ben.

[Speaker 2]
They were wandering ass backwards?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, many, many people in India were all confused. And he GYIN PA to them the CHOS KYI MI.

[Speaker 2]
He gifted with them the eye of truth, or the eye of the Dharma.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's a beautiful expression. He gave them eyes to see the Dharma. Because they were blind, and they were wandering around.

And he SHUG PA them into the tenbiko.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he set them through the door of the teaching.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Then he became the SHING in which they could DAPA their SABONs for their DENG GI DUNG MA. And that's the last line of the principle teachings.

[Speaker 2]
DENG GI DUNG MA NYUR DU DROG ZHIG PO He became like a fertile field for them to plant their seeds. DENG GI DUNG MA The DENG GI DUNG MA.

[Speaker 1]
That's the last verse of the three-principle path.

[Speaker 2]
To go into isolation, my son, and quickly win your ultimate wish.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that means win your ultimate wish. DENG GI DUNG MA NYUR means your ultimate wish. He himself was a field in which other people could plant their ultimate dreams.

Because he was so virtuous. He was such heavy karma that if they did something nice for him, they would get their ultimate dreams. This CHE BA means open, but it means to open in the sense of establish.

Like open a university or something like that. And DU DENG GO is a Vinaya expression, which our Vinaya master no doubt remembers. It means the door of assembling.

And it means an institution, a monastic institution. Monastic or non-monastic institution. So he opened many monasteries.

He founded many Dharma centers. Oftentimes DU DENG GO in modern Vinaya, which means only 1,500 years old, refers to the resources of the Sangha. So if you damage the DU DENG GO, it's a very negative karma.

Like if you go to Diamond Mountain and steal one of their food bags, I got like six of them in my house. Professing. They still got the cabin number on them.

I was thinking of cutting them off, but that's probably worse. Boss, just check in with how we're translating CHE in our translations nowadays. I dealt with this recently because I edited some of my books from 30 years ago, 35 years ago.

And I think you got to choose. I think in a logic book, I wouldn't call it the Dharma. I would probably call it the teachings.

But if I'm writing a Lam Rim book, I did use the word Dharma. I think that's my current thing. It might change tomorrow.

By the way, when you talk about the 5 limitless, the worst, worst bad deeds. Measurable, I think.

[Speaker 2]
Immediate.

[Speaker 1]
Immediate. There's five close ones. There's five main ones.

There's five close ones that are almost as bad. Here it's to rape an Arya woman. It sounds bad, right?

Or have sex, yeah. CHANG SEMS NGES NAS GSOS PA To kill a bodhisattva who is certain to get enlightened soon. LOP PA'I RGYEN DANG GSOS PA To kill any kind of member of the Sangha who is still not Milopa, still not in our heart.

And then, RGYEN DANG GYI DUNG PO PHRA To mismanage or to steal from the resources of the Sangha. Extremely powerful karma. Just under-killing your mother, your father, like that.

And CHOS CAN ZHIG PA To destroy a stupa. To knowingly destroy a stupa. Those five are called the close to the big five.

Yeah, so you can see where RGYUN RGYUN GYI RGYU LGO, the meaning has changed in the last thousand years to mean the resources of the Sangha, as opposed to a monastery. All right, Peter, you want to do one more? You got time?

Two minutes. Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
GONG RA RIG PA GONG YEN GONG YEN RIG PA RIG PAE RIG PAE SAR SAR SA SAR CHE SAR CHE DANG LA ZHUGS DANG LA ZHUGS Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
LHAG PA LHAG PA LHAG PA LHAG PA ZHAG LA ZHAG LA ZHAG LA ZHAG LA LHAG DO ZHAG DO ZHAG DO Yeah, DEN. I'm going to cut you off, because we're out of time. Okay.

GONG YEN RIG PA'I SAR CHE DANG LA ZHUGS This is the final verse about Dharmakirti. He took all the bad debaters and destroyed them with his logic. DE BA CHEN LA LANG DGOS TSUL SHING BSTAN He took all the faithful people and taught them how to practice properly.

BRAL TSE DON DEN GNAS SKABS THAR THUGS KYI DANG LA BYAR So you have to read across the line. Anyone he ever made contact with, he brought them to activities and things that would be of great purpose to them and help them reach their ultimate goals. He never had an interaction with anybody that didn't help them get enlightened.

And then he CHUG GI YING Oh, wow.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, then he went off into the realm of the teachings, the realm of the Dharma now?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he went into the realm of emptiness, which means he reached his ultimate Nirvana. He passed away. We say he dissolved into Shunyata.

Okay, cool. So I don't know what's going to happen after that. Looks like we still got more, but we'll do it next time.

Su Shi to you, Dr. Vinh. Su Shi. You know what that is?

I don't know. Su Shi. Su Shi.

Yes. Uncle Nick, where do we go now? Officially, this is the five-minute break.

If this is when you want to have dinner, we can do the 10-minute now. It's up to you. Let me ask my friends.

I don't think there is any dinner here, so. Probably we can just go straight to class and we'll get them some food between the next two classes. Cool, cool.

5.31. Sure. Okay. All right.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you, Geshe-la.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, thank you. So as I mentioned, don't get used to it. We're just telling stories.

We're about to hit logic. Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.