Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 27

[Speaker 1]
Ezra, you want to see my new car?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I loaned it to Maitri, okay? And I'm sure, I think you could probably drive it too. If you want.

I loaned it to Maitri because he's such a nice guy. Okay, here you go. You guys ready?

Yeah. Here's my new car. I just loaned it to Maitri, okay?

Is that the Tesla truck? I think so. Yes, it is.

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See you when you wake up. Good night, my boy.

[Speaker 2]
Good night, Ezra.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Hey, Dr. Kramer. You're going to bother these guys?

Yeah, totally. I'm going to change my... I'll turn off my mic so you can't hear me eating the tofu.

Perfect. Okay, here we go. Hearing, screening.

Okay, what are you going to do? Okay, go ahead. Yeah, do we see how much?

Yes, we do. Okay, cool. What and how did the followers of Kumarila enter the teachings of the Buddhas?

Why and how?

[Speaker 2]
Because the master of their lineage was defeated in debate, and there's no way they could have done any better. Most of them ran away screaming or... But anyway, they joined up.

[Speaker 1]
Something like that, yeah. Right, it's related to this Tibetan term that I'm hoping someone can try to give me, that I probably couldn't give you off the top of my head, even though it's right below the screen. I'd love to peek, but then I would know.

It's almost just for word. But someone else could do it because other people keep good notes.

[Speaker 2]
So it's the epitome of?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Meaning he was the epitome of that system. He was the one on whom the whole system hung.

The cute joke? Oh, no, no. It was not something I had heard before.

That's okay. Going once, going twice. Here, the...

Like, he was the one guy who was, like, sort of, you know, the very illustrative example, the main example or something, the definitive example of the system was this guy. And so once he was no longer a Buddhist, there was no one for them to hang their hat on. Oh, how did they...

Oh, we had that there. In what way did they go? Did they join the teachings of the Buddhists?

In what way? Yeah, what did they do? Did they buy Maitreya a small car?

Did they... I remember. Did they...

[Speaker 2]
Well, a couple of them were masochistic and wanted to debate him.

[Speaker 1]
They had a particular way that it mentioned they went into the teachings by doing what? I remember. If you're offering money, I'll say.

Nah. By being defeated? No, they...

Go ahead, Geshe Michael, you can tell them. 30 dollars per syllable. Wow, that's good money.

Jigme, you can take it off my tab. I'm just kidding.

[Speaker 2]
I don't...

[Speaker 1]
Me too. I'll still take your money. You gotta buy a car for it.

Oh, that's nice. Yeah, just like the one Maitreya has. I bet that thing's not cheap.

I think it's safe if he drives it inside the house, right, Ben? Oh, God, that's like a terrible idea. Within what geographical area was Dharmakirti said to have successfully defeated every debater?

By Shali? By Shali. Mm, larger.

Tripoli. Larger. India.

South India. The world. Malhomero.

Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. Where did they say in what vicinity?

[Speaker 2]
That's Mount Meru.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, everywhere in around the mountain that the whole world is around, basically. Nice question. They gave a cute Tibetan name of that place, which is...

Yeah, give the Tibetan name of a supposed set with only one member, which is relevant to this topic. Big J? Yeah, Big J.

Big J, right, which means literally what? The poker upper? Yeah, totally.

Big J, right. Yeah, which is an unusual name for Mount Meru. Unusual enough that you can trick other debate teams.

Yeah. What spiritual practice did Dharmakirti gift these opponents with by no more than the power of defeating them?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, silence?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Right.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. How is this practice described in Tibetan?

[Speaker 2]
Of silence?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good, good. Yeah, I think Upala got the money just before you, Geshe-la. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, you got it. Good. I'll give you both no money.

I'll be magnanimous about it. No problem. Let's split it.

You can mail me nothing. In fact, everyone on me, no money. Yeah, I just, you know, I'm moved by the spirit.

Let's see what Ben tried to do here, boss. Oh, by the way, this guy, I'm having a hard time with names in general, but this guy here is almost certainly Shankaracharya. Oh, that's very probable.

Yeah, that's very probable. That's great. It's cool, right?

And it looks like, who said so? Oh, it looks like, yeah, it echoes Tarnata, also who said that they had some dance battles. And then, I don't know, I've been digging around and there is some evidence here.

It looks like of maybe even Shankaracharya quoting the Pramanavarttika, probably disparagingly, but it seems like they probably did meet. Nice, that's exciting. Yeah, fun, right?

Yeah, I wonder who really be who. Okay. Yeah, right, no kidding.

Yeah. So, I'm here. Okay, the masters of, I would say, isn't it Nalanda?

Oh, yeah, totally, sorry. The masters of Nalanda did not accept the challenge right away. Instead, they made a plan to debate the following year.

Perfect. Good. Then master scholars traveled to the south of India.

Nice. Where Master Dharmakirti lived to beg him to come. Nice.

The master's line makes a perfect translation. Yay. Okay, well, it's all downhill from here.

No, I just, you know, I rarely agree to a translation, man. It's very good. Good job.

I believe with the next lines, I can relieve from you the burden of having to praise me. Yeah. Yeah, okay, yeah.

I don't know, what's going on with like toenails or something? Yeah, shab sen ku means he graced Nalanda with the toenails of his feet. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dharmakirti graced Nalanda by stepping into the confines of the monastery. You see what I mean? Okay, so he, meaning he blessed the monks of Nalanda?

Oh, no, and that sab kye means with great pomp and circumstance. So, it refers to how the monks of Nalanda greeted him when he came up from south India. Sab kye means with, you know, really fancy welcome, which is traditional, by the way, and they still do it, you know.

So, the chen drang here is the welcome, it's not the invitation. Yeah, it doesn't mean invited, it means they were able to induce him to come. Okay, but then here it's referring to his actual arrival or the way they received him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, and then he did touch the place with his holy toenails. He, on his part, agreed to put his little toes into the monastery fence.

Wait, okay. Okay. Okay, okay.

All right, thank you, boss. I'm going to give you back the plane. Okay.

You did a good job, though. I like it. I still, you know, I was sitting in my house today doing nothing, and I still was thinking I should warn you to enjoy the story part, because the rest is going to be like hell.

I wouldn't have asked for this if I wasn't pretty masochistic. I'm always excited when Adam's text comes up, and I don't understand what's happening, but I get excited and angry and confused. It'll be mutual confusion.

Some of us forgot this story part. Is it in the text? That's the important thing.

If it was elsewhere, if we were adding it ourselves, we would only do one class per term on it. Right. But unfortunately, it's part of Geshe Yeshe Longchuk's book.

So we're just going straight through the book. Yeah, well, it's beautiful. And I'm hoping maybe to go back now and try to cross-check Taranata for place names and people names, because I think that it's looking to me now like that's where Geshe Yeshe Longchuk probably got this.

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[Speaker 2]
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[Speaker 1]
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I don't know. You can put PDFs on the Kindle also. Don't ask grandpa.

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Okay, wait, let's get rid of this thing. It looks like Maitri survived his car driving. Wait, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to do this.

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Stop sharing. Get back to the topic. I got to call out your text.

Hang on, Ben. Sorry. I'm not worried about that.

I did have it up, and then I guess I undercut it up. Come on, come on. Ben Kramer, current.

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[Speaker 1]
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[Speaker 1]
That wheel is the worst. It's the rainbow swirl of death. Swirl of death.

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[Speaker 2]
Just wait.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, it's still opening. It's opening very, very slow. I'm going to try to close some other stuff and see.

73. Word documents might help.

[Speaker 2]
It's not going to let you touch word while it's going on.

[Speaker 1]
That's true. Can Ben open his version while you wait or something? If it works.

It'll just be another. It's not loading. And I can't turn it off.

Then you hit command, option, escape. And you can quit. You can quit Microsoft Word.

But if you have anything unsaved. Command, option, and what? Escape.

Oh, okay. I'll give you the ability to quit word and restart it. I'm going to do that.

Force quit.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
That'll show them. Okay, we quit. We won't be defeated by a Microsoft program.

Like that, Bill Gates. Yeah, exactly. Probably they can't do better than that.

But anyway. You have 832 word documents open. Yeah, I do tend to have a lot of documents open.

So I'm going to get rid of mixed documents. More than anyone I've ever known. By multiples.

Yeah, I've never seen anything quite like it, actually. You might be the world record holder and just unrecognized. It's how I remember what I'm supposed to do during the day.

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You got to talk nice to your computer, okay? This looks familiar. You got to know that.

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[Speaker 2]
You want to go to the next $3. 1011 is what we're looking for. Yeah.

Okay.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, it took me a while to get the correct spelling of Nalanda. Because the Tibetans always say Nalandra. That's not correct.

All right. Is it Atomka, though, Nalanda and Nalandra? Apparently, according to Lokesh Chandra, who I trust, this is the correct spelling, Nalanda.

So I've corrected everything to that. Okay, here's one that you should pay me $20 for, Mr. Kramer. Okay.

This is, okay, you're going to giggle on this one. Okay. It was Kilabaranasuya.

And it was Wananasuya. Oh, my Lord, Varna. Yeah, you got to pay me extra for that.

That's brutal. Yeah, this is the mistake. Here, this is the correct.

I would have been alone crying. See this L-B-A-R-E, that's all wrong. Everything's wrong.

To be fair to them, W does look at L-B, looks like L-B, to be fair to them. There's only one word in Tibetan that starts with W. Oh, that's cute.

[Speaker 3]
Wamo.

[Speaker 1]
Wake. Yep. Varna.

And Varna. Please read. Yes.

I'm going to have you read a couple of paragraphs, and then we'll pick on somebody else. Okay, Nick's always first, right? Yeah.

BANG DU TSUL BANG DU TSUL, yeah, BANG DU TSUL. So the gyelpo, his name was Rabsel. And you're going to have to find Sanskrit for that.

I don't remember what it is. He collected together all the kepas from Waranasir, in Waranasir, in Varanasi, whether they were chi or nun. Okay, yeah, Buddhist and non-Buddhist masters from all over Varanasi.

Yeah, that's interesting. So for this debate, he collected together Buddhist and non-Buddhist masters. And tsultekab, when they got to the tsupa...

At the time of the debate. BANG means witness, okay? BANG BU.

But I would say here it's judge, okay? So normally BANG means witness. And it gets mistaken for one a lot.

Okay, okay. It wasn't the witnesses or the judges, it was the gyelpo kor don chepa. The king and his retinue.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, the king.

[Speaker 1]
The king and his court, maybe? Yeah, and yeah, good. So the king decided...

He appointed Suk himself and his friends to be the judges of the debate. Okay, please read more. I like that.

Nice. Okay. Good.

So the mudde kepa... The non-Buddhist master, which is probably Shinkaracharya, yeah. He was caught up by the mudde be kepa.

He was surrounded by the non-Buddhist masters. Yeah, and the rest you can translate on your own. Yeah, and then the Buddhist masters surrounded Dharmakirti.

Right. And in the middle of this tsupa of many tongtoks of people... Yeah, this horde, whatever, this throng of hundreds of people.

Yeah. There was a dog, what's going on? Not ki, chi.

Oh, chi, I'm sorry, a throne. Yeah, they set a throne, and the two debaters sat on the thrones. Makes more sense.

I'm done then. Okay, this is the one throne? The crowd here in Sedona is getting excited and nervous.

Okay. By the way, this indicates that Dr. Kramer has exceeded expectations in his text. Because it's supposed to be done by now.

It occurs to me to warn you, enjoy it while it lasts. Yeah, oh yeah. Okay, who are you going to have read here?

Okay, let's see. Hey, Emily never gets to read because of that other guy in her mouth. But look, she's right there under Nick.

Do you want to read for good luck, Emily? Good luck for me? No, that's a big no.

That's okay, you don't got to do nothing. Let's see. Next on my screen is Kiki and Ying Hui.

Do you guys want to read, either or both of you? You're looking at each other like one of you is certainly going to try. Oh, your lips are moving, that's good.

I think she's reading, but we can't hear you. Oh, yes, good, good. Keep going.

Yeah. Yeah. Good.

Good.

[Speaker 2]
Good, Lashuk.

[Speaker 1]
Lashuk. Uh-huh. Chuo, uh-huh.

Super. Yes. Uh-huh.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, nice, good, thank you.

Amazing. Really good, that was really strong. Wow.

Awesome, awesome. Okay, Dr. Kramer, let's translate. Nice job, Kiki.

This chokpa means, do you know? Chokpa as a verb? Oh, like to take a side?

Oh, to position oneself? I don't know, chok, guess not. The time was chokpa.

Oh, it was long?

[Speaker 3]
Approaching.

[Speaker 1]
I don't know. Oh, it was approaching. Oh, it came near, I see.

As the beginning of the debate was approaching, okay? As they were approaching the time of debate, Shankaracharya said, gyal te nge is an old word for na, gyal te na gyal na, and gyal is a verb. Oh, gyal is a verb.

Oh, if I win. Yeah, if I win this debate, gyur nam should shukpa into the muddhegpe dikta. Yeah, you've got to enter the non-Buddhist philosophical system.

But I'll give you a choice. Or you can jump in the Ganges River. And die, okay?

Bummer. Up to you guys. It's a damkha.

By the way, we have never seen damkha written down, and here it is. Oh, wow. What's it mean, Dr. King?

Oh, yeah, these are two acceptable variants. Usually it's alternate spellings of a word, but in this case it means we would accept either you becoming a non-Buddhist or jumping in a river. Yeah, so damkha 99% of the time, the Tibetan words are often, the same word is spelled two ways, and either one is acceptable.

That's called damkha. And it means a choice. It means a choice.

Here he says, I'll leave it up to you. You take a choice. You can...

I think if you become a Hindu before you jump in the river and die, then you go straight to heaven. Oh, well, that's a tsumba. That's a smart, that's a tough...

Okay, keep going, Dr. Kramer. In Hindu heaven. Why is there this weird instrumental after damkha?

That's a disjunctive... I tricked you, I tricked you. It's a verb, it means to do.

It's the old... Yeah, it's a verb. It's a verb.

It means you guys should take your choice. Otter. Do your choice.

That's a verb meaning to do, yeah. Okay, Gyalma. If you win...

Yeah, go and try. Then us guys... We'll chung into the Ganga and we promise to chiwa.

Yeah, we're definitely just going to jump in the river and I promise we'll die. Yeah, we agree to die. Okay.

Jump in the river and we'll die. Okay, now, I don't think this has ever happened before that anybody has gone farther than... Because usually I add another 15-20% of text, but you have set a new record.

All right. Keep going before we run out of time. Okay.

Oh, great. Alex, you're next on my screen.

[Speaker 3]
Yay, Alex. Thank you. Thank you.

Nice. We'll accept it.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Par-pam-par-seh-deh-tar-mi-ma, Maui. Oh, Maui, yeah. Tu-shuk-la-ku-par-seh.

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Ben, you can translate this whole thing. I don't think you need her for this. Oh, boy, I don't know about that, but let's try.

Then, let's see, the Chinon-gi-drup-ta, oh, they debated the critical points of both philosophical systems. Yeah, of course, Buddhist and non-Buddhist, yes. And, let's see.

Oh, Master Dharmakirti, what is it, like, took many positions? Here it means, up to many times, he pambad the other guy. Up to many times?

It's just, it means many, many times. Okay, he defeated him. Up to a high number of times.

It means they went at it many days, and each day, he pambad-seh-deh. And then, finally, tar. Yes, yes, Dharmakirti placed him in a position in the holy austerity, deep spiritual practice of silence.

Yeah, he invited Shankaracharya to become a muni. Mauna, mauna is spiritual silence, to keep silence for a year or two years. It's sarcastic.

He said, he invited him to become a, to shut his mouth for a year. But the way they say it, it's very honorific language. He invited his holy self to undertake the great asceticism of, you know, spiritual silence.

It means he left him with nothing to say. It's very cute. It's so cute that our author used it twice, because he thought it was special.

Okay, all right. Who's reading, Ben? This is a long one, and it's a hard one.

Okay, let's see. Well, what can I say? I mean, I'm just, I'm being very democratic about this.

Isabel, you're next on the screen. Oh, man. Yes, yes, yes.

Okay, luck of the draw. Thank you. Oh my God, this is.

It's impossible. Don't sweat it. Well, it's Gangar.

So far, this is mostly Sanskrit anyway, so don't worry about it. Okay, great. We should stop there, Ben.

That's a good place to stop. Okay. Ben, you want to translate?

If you need help, let me know. Yeah, I guessed Shankaracharya chunged in the water of the, he threw himself in the water of the Ganges. He chunged by the, he chunged, chunged.

Oh, he, oh, he chunged, what, he decided to, he agreed to? He started to throw himself in. Yeah, he got ready to throw himself in.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

Master Chandrakirti felt holy compassion and told him to turn back. Yeah, he stopped him. But, but, Shankaracharya Manin.

He didn't listen. He didn't want to listen. By the way, I thought it would be useful for you guys to learn the word dog, which means either to stop somebody or to attempt to stop somebody.

So you should be sensitive to those two meanings. Sometimes dog means to succeed in stopping someone. And sometimes dog means to attempt to stop someone.

So it's a tough, it's a tough word. You got to choose dhammaka. Okay.

He tried to stop him, but he didn't listen. Okay. And now something strange is going to happen.

Who gets to read it, Mr. Bing? Okay. Looks like Pure Gold Jasmine, you want to try?

Yes. Thank you. Great, okay.

You see where we're starting with korang in the third line? From K-H-Y-E-D, right? Korang, third line.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, korang.

[Speaker 1]
Korang, G-L-O-M-A-W-A-R-T-A. Bhakta. Bhakta.

Bhakta. Bhakta. R.

R. R. Yeah, just say bhaktacharya and free yourself of reading Tibetan's failing to write Sanskrit.

Cha-ya-la. Good. Good, good, good, good.

PHYI'I DE NA LA TSOR PA RGYI LA RGYAL BAR YED CHE, let's stop there, Ben, let's stop there. Good, really good, really good, yeah. That's a good place to stop, good place.

Okay, let's read, Ben. Shankaracharya said to his Lama, Oh, oh, he said us, what, our teacher, Bhattacharya? No, he said to his student.

So, Shankaracharya said to his student, the student's name is Bhattacharya.

[Speaker 3]
Bhattacharya.

[Speaker 1]
Bhatta is Jetsun, Jetsun. Okay. Okay, so like, oh, Reverend Master, okay, Reverend Master.

He just calls him Reverend Master. Hey, CHE LA TSOR PA to these guys. Oh, you go debate with them?

Yeah, you go debate with these guys. RGYI is the imperative to do, right? Okay, yeah.

You go debate with these guys, and I order you to RGYAL BAR BYED. Oh, yeah, I order you to win? Yeah, I order you to win.

Okay, who's up next, Ben? Cool, cool. Let's see, Joy Chen.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, thank you. From which one?

[Speaker 1]
NAKYA in the, what is it, fourth line, end of the fourth line? NAKYA.

[Speaker 2]
NAKYA?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you just say it out. NAKYA KIT BU. NAKYA KIT BU.

NAKYA KIT BU? Yep. LHA CHE NAY CHEN GYET.

NAKYA KIT BU. NAKYA KIT BU. CHEN GYET BAT TAY.

TAP BAM BAT CHAO. CHEN GYET CHUO. CHUO.

CHEN GYET CHUO. PAN GA CHON TE CHI WEI DU CHE SO. Great reading.

Okay, Ben, we want you to read it. The last thing we said was, hey, you beat these guys. Yeah.

CHEN GYET KIT BUR GAY. I'm sorry, what, like you and I are kids? I'm gonna gay as your poo.

I'm gonna go be born as your kid? Yeah, I'm gonna kill myself. And watch for me.

I'll be coming to your wife's womb. Shakya Charya is telling his main disciple, you know, I'm supposed to jump in the river and I got to keep my promise, but I'm coming to your wife's womb next, okay? Weird.

Okay, sange. And in the mean, and kene, and when I do gay, I will pampaja those sangepas. I'm gonna beat those Buddhists.

Yeah, I'll kick the next generation's urine. Yeah, he said that, and then he threw himself in the river and died. Yay.

Chiway du che means, he literally, it says he brought about the time of his death and it does mean he died. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
I mean, boo.

[Speaker 1]
Boo. Okay. By the way, Bhattacharya is a very common personal name in Indian now.

Yeah. It just means reverend master or something like that. All right.

We still got some time, I guess. Yeah, we got lots of time. We got time to finish the talk.

Who's gonna read next, Dr. Kramer? Vanessa. And we'll split this sentence probably also, so.

Great. Hello. Hi.

Hey.

[Speaker 3]
Moo, te, pei, ko, cho, ja, ja, ra, du, ma, na, nun, pa, la, ku, ku, den, na, ko.

[Speaker 1]
Chukko, stop there. Stop there. Stop there.

That's a whole sentence, man. Yeah. They, what, how many mutekpas?

I'm sorry, boss, I'm really bad at numbers, but what is it, like 1,000, 100? Maybe many hundreds. Many hundreds of non-Buddhists then entered the inside of Buddhism, basically?

Yeah, became Buddhists, became Buddhists. Core from those disciples of Shankaracharya, who was already dead, right? Yeah.

Now it tells the story of what Bhattacharya did after his master passed away. And who's going to read, Ben? Or maybe the same person.

It wasn't very moving. Okay, sure, yeah. Yeah, keep going, Vanessa.

De ne. Oh, Vanessa, you're muted. There we go.

[Speaker 2]
De na.

[Speaker 1]
De ne.

[Speaker 2]
De ne.

[Speaker 1]
De ne. De ne.

[Speaker 2]
Bhatta.

[Speaker 1]
Bhatta, good. Bhatta. Yeah, Bhattacharya, good.

Bhattacharya. Lo sang gi ba rang gi wa. Lok pe.

Lok pe. Om. We.

We. We. Nye.

Nye pa, good. Nye pa. Cho.

Cho. Stop there. Stop there.

Nice job. Ben. Ben, what happened with Bhattacharya?

Bhattacharya. What is this? In three years?

For the length of three years, he tried to put nye pa, his slug base on. He tried to... What?

He tried to give birth to his god of gods? I mean... No, nye pa means to please.

Oh, he tried to please him, like made offerings to him, hoping that he would come. He tried to please his tantric deity. He had a tantric deity.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1]
He tried to please his super deity. Okay. His own.

So he had his own tantric practice. Maybe it was Krishna or something. Okay, Krishna, yeah.

And then after that, Laryan Lodzun. Yeah, after three years. He worked hard in the top two gopadasa ngepas.

He worked at a method for refuting the Buddhists. Yeah, he worked on beating the Buddhists. So three years, heavy tantric practice.

Three years, you know, warming up to defeat the Buddhists. And then in the seventh year, okay, he finally tsopa with Pell Chökyi Tapa. Oh, wow, he finally got to go debate with Dharmakirti himself.

Yeah, it sounds like a heavyweight boxer, you know, working his way up to, you know. Finally, he got to fight the heavyweight title. And guess what happened?

Tantra Charya Shindu Pambargir. Oh, he was super defeated. Yeah, he was whipped.

He was whipped. And then Lopan tried to doke him. Oh, the master tried to, what, like, I don't know, like, doke, like.

Stop, he tried to stop him. But he. Jumping.

Oh, yeah, from. Manyin, Manyin. Couldn't do it.

There he went in the river. He didn't listen. He couldn't listen.

Yeah, right. And he thonged into the Ganga. Yeah, and right at that time, yeah.

In Se Duk Che So. Se Duk Che So, yeah. Yeah, and then that was, I mean, it says here almost the time of his life, but that's the time at the end of his life.

He brought his life to an end.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, he brought his.

[Speaker 1]
Right, yeah, totally. Okay. Okay.

Who's reading, Ben? That's time, Gen. What?

We just started. It does feel that way. We just started for the term.

Yeah. Oh, by the way, just to anticipate, Shankaracharya was born as his son, Ann, but you won't find out unless you come to the next mix-match. Delightful.

[Speaker 2]
Seems like he should have like changed the terms.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he tried to tell them, but they wouldn't listen. So right here. Then I wouldn't have debated him.

That's not a bad idea. Yeah, right. Good for you.

I think as Ben said, though, to die in the Ganga is an honor for a Hindu here. They say that. Ganges.

They call it Ganga. They don't call it Ganges. That's a British, British.

The British messed up for you. Right, right, yeah. The second best is to die from drinking water from the Ganges.

Okay. That'll happen, too. I think it counts.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Geshe-la.

[Speaker 1]
You're welcome. Thank you so much, Geshe-la. Master Shantideva is up next, if I'm not mistaken.

Yay. You guys are doing all the heavy hitters, I'll tell you that. Nine minutes, guys.

[Speaker 2]
They're all heavy hitters. Nine minutes.

[Speaker 1]
God, I could have cookies and raspberries. Okay. Somebody say cookie?

[Speaker 2]
Cookie?