Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 26

[Speaker 3]
What? No.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's fun.

[Speaker 3]
Smart, Ezra. You stick to your guns.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, there's the beautiful mom also. Hi!

[Speaker 2]
This is the chili balloon.

[Speaker 1]
That's a chili balloon. Chili balloon?

[Speaker 2]
Chili balloon.

[Speaker 1]
Is that what happens when you eat too much chili? Is that what happens inside your stomach? Yes, and then you have to take yourself away from people.

And...

[Speaker 3]
Are those hatched chilis?

[Speaker 1]
What's a chili balloon? It's a balloon that has pictures of chili.

[Speaker 2]
That's the thing.

[Speaker 1]
It's a balloon that has pictures of chili. Did you take the balloon to the tower in London to see the crown jewels? Did you take that balloon?

Did we?

[Speaker 3]
No. That's the one thing we didn't do.

[Speaker 1]
I wanted to see the crown jewels. I wanted to, boss. I'm sorry.

Man, I'm really distressed by that. I know. You got to see that stuff before the British have to give it back.

Look, there's Jordan.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, hi, Jordan.

[Speaker 1]
Jordan's our buddy here in Albuquerque. He teaches at our studio and he did our teacher training here. And he did ACI One here with us.

Wow. Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Super smart.

[Speaker 1]
And he's been doing yoga sutras with you.

[Speaker 3]
Jordan, this is the chili balloon.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Oh my goodness. Ezra, I don't understand what's a chili balloon.

[Speaker 3]
This is what a chili balloon looks like.

[Speaker 1]
I know, but why do they call it chili balloon?

[Speaker 3]
It's a jelly giant.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, you go to bed.

[Speaker 3]
Good night. Bye, Ezra.

[Speaker 1]
Good night, mom. Come here, give me a kiss. Where's my kiss?

Mwah, mwah, mwah. Wow. Okay, good.

I bet there's a Vinaya vow against that, slobbery kisses. Okay, Dr. Kramer, I'm giving the screen back to you. Let me see if I can...

[Speaker 2]
Dr. Ben, I have to go practice some Vinaya practice. I'll be right back.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, no problem. All right, look, I already have my download. It was that fast and easy to download ACI One from the e-book.

Here we go. Homework. Congratulations, everybody.

What... Yes, what terms did Master Kumarila or Teacher Kumarila suggest for the great debate to be held at Gugugaga?

[Speaker 3]
Defeat is death.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, for who?

[Speaker 3]
Whoever is defeated.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, right. Yeah, totally. What was the unusual Tibetan term used for the suggested penalty?

Yeah, for death, in this case, since you already told me the suggested penalty. I was trying to be coy, just in case. How did they put it in the book?

[Speaker 3]
Let's see.

[Speaker 1]
Just there.

[Speaker 3]
Sent him to his death. I'm sorry, I didn't equate it to that.

[Speaker 1]
Jordan, do you know, do you remember something about how many stages of life there are in the traditional orthodox Hindu system? Jordan, do you remember how many? One of them, like ending with sannyasi.

You read a book about this once. It's okay, I'm putting you on the spot. And I didn't teach it to you.

I just think, yeah, I think there are. Yeah, it's okay. I'm sorry.

I'm picking on you. It's not fair. But I think four.

Is it eight or 12? I think it's four, but yeah, you're way off. It's four.

I'm sorry for picking on you. It's not fair. But yeah, word.

So then what is the fifth word? Looked it up for us anyway. So he's, he's the best source, but he kindly sat back.

So what would be the fifth of the five stages of the fifth of the four stages of life? Is death. Yeah, right.

Which is how he put it. You'll send me on to the fifth stage. And I looked all over and I can't find any reference to it.

I think it's a cute way of saying then. Yes, sir.

[Speaker 2]
I found it. I sent it to you in the chat last class.

[Speaker 1]
Right. You did. I haven't found any like any other Indian sources for it.

Right. That mentioned it in reference to the four. So you did.

You sent it to me from the dictionary that it says. Right. Fifth path is a reference to death, but I'm just trying to find a source that neatly ties it to the four stages of life that we've otherwise heard of.

Before I say that in the footnote and I haven't been able to quite close that circle yet. OK, well, I did find another reference that said it didn't say the other four, but it said death is the fifth stage, not just on. Right.

Yeah, right. Exactly. No, that's exactly right.

And exactly what you sent me. And but to make sure that when we say the fifth, we mean the fifth. In addition to the other four of the Hindu tradition, I just you know, I don't know if we need one more source on that, if we can do it.

I mean, otherwise we can just say that. Hey, boss, what are the other four? I was in.

I was in. I don't totally remember. Honestly, I'm pretty sure the last one is.

So you see. Right. Yeah, totally.

And maybe the second one is householder. Yeah. The first one Brahmacharya is in there.

It's like Brahmacharya householder something or other.

[Speaker 2]
Kramer, the pure gold queen asks you to slow down.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah, sure. Totally. Right.

The sanyasi is when you move to Rimrock. And when one does. Yes.

Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 3]
Put it in the chat. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Go to the forum. Uh huh. Right.

Brahmacharya, the student, the grihasta, the householder, the vanaprastha, the retiree, and then after retiree, after you're done sending the kids to college, then you can finally. Live in a grass hut.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, we've been his hut out now.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Yeah. Right.

Now I'm good path. Cool. What does Master Dharmakirti suggest instead for the terms of the debate?

[Speaker 2]
That he should be killed should he lose, but if he wins, don't harm a hair on the head of any of those guys.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Didn't he say, I don't care what you do to me, but don't harm a hair on his head.

[Speaker 1]
He technically said it's it's rungla if you want to kill me. It's all right. Like it's appropriate for you to kill me.

Right. So he didn't say I don't care what you do. And he didn't say you got to kill me.

Technically, he kind of split the difference and said, like, it would be appropriate to kill me, but don't hurt them. Don't hurt them. Don't hurt him.

Don't hurt any of his Turkey Brahmin buddies. What, what's the actual outcome that was agreed upon, which wasn't exactly what either of them suggested. That's the standard outcome, right?

That's the standard outcome. Yeah, they should switch systems. Well, that'd be a little overly complicated, but, but yes, at any rate, they would both join the system of the winner.

They didn't have to whoever full reversi. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Right. In Tibet. I don't know.

Something like that. Yeah, I think different not right is to pass tense, and no shook his future tense of what's present tense. Yeah, right.

Good. Right. Great.

Cool. Um, yeah, here it is. Yeah, logic, right, so it would be long to if, if it weren't for that pesky London particle.

Um, but yeah, great. Okay. Describe whoa.

Kuma realize activity in the debate sorry in the debate.

[Speaker 3]
His secret stash of 500 secret powerful weapons of logic that he thought would destroy Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. And what did how did Dharmakirti handle those arguments with ease. Yeah, well, wouldn't be easy for me.

[Speaker 3]
He had 500 arguments for each of the 500.

[Speaker 1]
Right. Yes. Right.

So Kumarila had been. Yeah, right. Yes, I've got 500 arguments for every argument that we shouldn't make the cookies tonight that he has frozen in the freezer.

Just waiting. What he used a special term. I don't know it was just cute.

Anyway, the Tibetan for his, his unique arguments, or something. I found enduring.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, his, his unshared arguments to my in.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, to my in and for argument, it was like, I don't know what do you say when someone really screws up on the debate ground when you finally defeat them or also when you defend your, your dissertation or something. Top. Yeah, it's our way.

Blankets. Tom Shaw. Yeah, it's always Tom shots or get your Tom shot right.

Anyway, he had his, his unique positions, whoops. To my my baby Tom shop. Right.

He had special positions or special arguments. I'm just a cool word. Right.

You can say on the background right so a Tom shots are like not just did you contradict yourself but now you've contradicted your original argument your route. It's how I do your dumb shots up so I wait on top. Yeah, right.

Or I think they call it right. Gotcha. When you do your exam sometimes.

Yeah, cool.

[Speaker 3]
Take a breath.

[Speaker 1]
No. How much coffee I have to drink to be able to do this at this time of night. All right.

Oh wait no I have to come back and share my attempted translation, excuse me. Let's see. I will blow it up.

As I don't blow up the attempt to be intelligible. So, Dr. Kramer is going to read and Nick's going to check. Okay.

Okay. Let me get everybody's faces out of the way. Shame.

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Your toe. Right. I struggle a little bit here, boss, to make it work.

Well, it looks pretty good so far. Having spoken these words, which is shen mei mei, entered the teaching, sang gye kyi tenpa means teaching of the Buddhas. Shukpe is past tense, having entered it, or joined it, right?

Now, the next section is really, really difficult. Here, tse nyi dang denpa means fully qualified person, one who fits the definition of a master, for example. So that non-Buddhist teacher was tse nyi dang denpa of his system.

He was the epitome, he was an exemplar of his system. So if you can break the exemplar, then everyone else who's following Dey Rik Tamche and all of his followers or his family become nyi dang denpa. You can't accept them anymore.

I see. When we used to get into neighborhood fights in my neighborhood when I was a kid, I used to tell people, when the two gangs approach each other, the ultimate strategy is to run up to the leader of the other gang and punch him in the face proactively. What do you call it?

Not pro... Prophylactically. Preemptively.

Preemptively. Oh, that sounds right. You don't talk, you don't negotiate, you run up and punch the main guy in the face.

And usually the whole fight ends right there. So if you punch out the tse nyi dang denpa, one master of their system, then Rik Tamche, all of his followers become discredited. Nyi dang denpa.

You can't believe in them anymore. This dang means firm, right? So nyi dang denpa.

Trustable or credible. They lose their credibility. And as the saying goes, so in this case, Shunun Rupay's core, oh, this means the core without him.

Yeah, now I get it, right. Then all of his followers also shuked into sang nye kyi denpa. What's that mean?

Yeah, then they also enter the teaching of the Buddhas. So since he had entered the teaching of the Buddhas, then the main guy having been knocked out, the system no longer could stand upon him. And even his circle, his core, those who attended him or followed him also entered the teachings of the Buddhas.

And there's a synonym, there's an appositive here for denpa la shuk is equated to rup tu chung. Oh, okay. Okay, so it's not in addition to that, they left the whole life.

Yeah, they entered his teachings by taking ordination. Okay, I see. And then they kept it pretty well.

Okay, is that what this is? This confused me, this... Don't worry, Gejong.

Gejong here means the person. They became aspirants who followed the Dharma quite accurately, quite well. Okay, they became good Buddhists.

Okay, okay, Gejong. They, kyelwa means they upheld the system well. Gejong here means a person, yeah.

A spiritual practitioner. Okay, that's nice. Dyrtel, past tense, okay.

Okay, great. I'm going to give you back the plant. Okay, nice job.

I'm learning, for sure. No, it's good, it's good, it's good. Now, what am I doing here?

Oops. Let me get your text up first. Thank you.

I'm going to get rid of this one. What is today, the 11th, right? True.

Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on. Nope, it's not that one. Open with, yes, you want to, yay.

Okay. Your text is fat. Right.

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Yeah, you guys good? Yes. Yep.

Oh, last one. Oh, I got to do something else now. Okay, I got to do this.

And then I can do this. Okay, so we finished that paragraph. Yes.

Now we have a pretty straightforward paragraph. I'm going to push it down for you. Okay.

I was thinking, thinking Venerable Phil would like to criticize Ben Kramer. It's a rare opportunity, so I'm going to put, I'm going to ask Phil to come up and sit next to two grandpas here. One great grandpa, yeah.

I'm a great grandpa, I'm just not a great grandpa. Can you, do you want to follow yours or you want to follow this one? This is better.

That's better for you. Okay, so Phil's here, but he's following his own computer. Can you scoot over just a little bit?

And then they can see your handsome face.

[Speaker 3]
He has his own camera.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay, good. You can un-scoot over. Okay, now it gives me room to eat pizza.

Okay, go. Okay, Dr. Kramer, you're reading, right? Yes.

Big J, oh, Big J is your buddy, right. Yeah, I know good names, I know. We don't know who any of these guys are.

By the way, I'll help you with some of them. Sure, please, my goodness. Okay, so this is a list of people he debated and defeated, right?

The first was a Chabupa. Jane? Yeah.

And his name was Rahuprati. Rahuprati. And then he ran into a Chabawa.

Chabawa, Chabawa, I don't know, like a yogi?

[Speaker 2]
Charya? I think it's a Charvaka. Charvaka.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, a Charvaka?

[Speaker 2]
I believe it's an alternate name for Charvakas.

[Speaker 1]
Wow.

[Speaker 3]
Which word, can you show us, Geshe-la?

[Speaker 1]
Chupawa, Chupawa. Chupawa.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
An examiner. If I'm not mistaken, it's a word for a Charvaka. His name was a Virkam...

It's probably Kumara or something. Good luck.

[Speaker 3]
Lushyas.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then he ran into a Tramse. A Brahmin.

Named Kumara Ananda, probably. Kumara Ananda. Probably a long name.

Hope so, yeah. Kumara means younger, Ananda means another. Then he ran into the Kuchok of Mutek debaters.

Wow, the big, the head bowl, the big boss of all the non-Buddhist debaters. Whose name was, I have no idea. Kamta Daro Dru.

Okay, good luck, man. I don't know, but what's Big J? Big J is Mount Meru.

And I know that you, in the winter debates, that your team chose this to confuse the enemy because it's such an obscure name for Mount Meru, that you would use it as an example of something that was characteristic and not a quality, that was a Jedi and not a chi. Perfect, yeah, nice. It's singular characteristic, it's a set with one member.

Okay, anyway, Big J means poker. Big means to poke somebody, so it pokes the sky. Mount Meru pokes the sky, so it's called Big J, ancient name.

And riwo means the mountain, right? Kongna means overseen or in the realm of Big J. So it's a polite way to say the whole known world, all four continents.

Oh, wow. Everything under the overlordship of Mount Meru, which means all the known continents of this planet, okay? So Kongna Nepe, anyone staying within the vicinity of the main mountain of the universe, basically?

Staying within the confines of the universe, of Mount Meru. Meaning particular planet. Gowa Tamje, I guess also the Native Americans came from North America, everything.

Just kidding. Gowa Tamje, all the Gowas. He's Sun Jinba then.

Yeah, he tore up, he utterly defeated, ripped up every darn debater everywhere. Now, Mawey Tushug is a tapas, and I want you to explain it. Me, Mawey Tushug, sorry.

Oh, Mauna, silence. Exactly, so explain it a little bit. Oh, this is cute.

He koppa, like he set them, right, there's a practice of silence, but he bestowed upon them the special sacred practice of silence by making them shut the heck up with their stupid debates. Yeah, he invited them to the spiritual austerity of rich parents. It means, it's a really cute expression.

Yeah, he shut their mouth, and he couldn't say anything. That's such a beautiful asperity. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, Ben, you want to have, let's, either Phil could check you, or Phil could read, it's up to you guys.

[Speaker 1]
Venerable, would you bless us with your voice? Sure. Laryang Lopon.

Lopon. Brava Ki. It's just some kind of weird Hindi word.

Wait a minute. I'm hearing myself a second later.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, here we go. Laryang Lopon Drawalit.

[Speaker 1]
Me, oh, Lee, yeah. Yuldu Jon. Where is that Jon?

Jon. Jon. Jon?

Yeah. Yuldena Gakla Tsepardipasuyeche. Dril.

Drakpe Dernepe Mutepa Palcher Shendu Bro. True. Hey, nice.

Okay, Laryang means, Ben? Laryang, after that? Yeah, you know, once again, the Lopon passed to the land of Drawalit.

Drawalit or something. Okay. Drawalit, good luck.

This word could be completely misspelled. He, okay, Yuldena, in that, yeah, he made a dildak. Dildak means he made an advertisement, okay?

He made a- Oh, yeah, he did this before. Nalak Tsepardipasuyeche. Yeah.

Yeah, if anyone wants to, yeah, who here wants to debate? Yeah, who would like to debate with me? He made a big stink or advertisement, a big announcement.

And then all the mutepas which were Dernepa. Oh, which were staying there, all the non-Buddhists who were staying there, or Palcher, most of them? Yeah, most of the non-Buddhists who were staying there.

Trim means to flee. Cool, yeah. They ran away to other land.

To someplace else. They moved to Kalasgalusa. Nevada, or, okay.

They mismoved out. But a couple of them were masochistic. Who do you want to read?

You want Phil to read one more, or you got a new- Sure, sure, of course. You want to give this guy a sequence? Okay, he's taking off his earphones.

[Speaker 2]
He's got his- Yulder ngungi chushi nyam pa. Nam lar so nang.

[Speaker 1]
Nang? Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Nang, hi, Khun. Nang. Yeah.

Lopon Romney Naksu Jante Samten Watsechi Tu Shukso. Nice pronunciation, good, okay. Some of them Shepa that they knew but that suffer with him.

Yeah, they understood they wouldn't be able to debate him. Yeah, they knew he would kick their butt. So they went and touched their goal to the Shepa of the master.

Touched the tip of their feet to, or sorry, the tip of their head to the feet of the master. And then it says they K'elong him and his system, right? Okay, they took it up, they took up.

Yeah, they voluntarily switched over. They said, okay, no, we don't have to debate, we'll just follow you, okay? And then in that particular particular locality, right?

These are not really countries. I mean, it was divided into hundreds of small little fiefdoms, right? There was Ch'u Lun.

Before Dharma, like a prior teaching? Yeah, the Buddhism had spread there. Ch'u Shin means there was a previous Buddhist culture there.

Okay, but it had Nyanma. It had degenerated. And he Larsao-ed it.

He revitalized it, restored it. Great, great, he brought it back to life, okay? His work having been completed, Rang Nyi went to the Nang, Shing Nang, Shing Nang.

That's the fourth stage. Where is that? The fourth.

Oh yeah, Shing Nang. I just don't see it on the page. Oh, there it is.

I added Shing to make it easier for you. Oh, okay, okay. He went into isolation into the forest.

Yeah, he walked out into the forest and did the fourth stage of life, right? Sun Yat-sen. Yeah, right.

He became a forest dweller and he Tse Ch'ik into something. Yeah, he went into single-pointed meditation. Also, there's a part missing here about the great practice with foxes, but I'm sure he did that also.

I'm sure he did. All right. Okay, we're going to let Venerable Phil relax.

Thank you. You're welcome. Nice meeting.

Thanks, Victor. And Ben. Thank you.

Who's next, Ben? Who are you going to talk to? Let's see.

We've got lots of people here you could talk to. Okay, Lindsay, do you want to try? Lindsay, okay.

Sure, yeah. Just right at the top? Yeah.

Kong-kee. Kong-kee. Ree-bow.

Ree-bow, yeah. Ree-bow. Ree-wo.

What was that? Ree-wo. When B is the second syllable of a word, somehow it gets turned into a W.

Don't blame me, I just work here.

[Speaker 3]
I've heard that before. Okay. Row.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, sorry, wo. Draw. Bye.

Draw away. You see, happened again already. Oh, that's right, that's right.

[Speaker 3]
Log.

[Speaker 1]
Log. Den.

[Speaker 3]
Den.

[Speaker 1]
Dong. Wong. Wong.

Oh, it's a few again. Po. Yong.

Nice. Great. Keep going.

Ree. Always ignore Vs. Pretend they're not there.

There's no V. Dog. Great, dog.

Yaw. If there are too many letters, ignore the first letter. Yay.

[Speaker 3]
Yaw.

[Speaker 1]
That's a nice one. Yaw, great.

[Speaker 3]
Yaw. Yaw. Po.

Row.

[Speaker 1]
You would think. Trow, yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Trow.

[Speaker 1]
Pie. Great, trow pie. Pie.

Star. Mo. Mio.

[Speaker 3]
Good.

[Speaker 1]
Good, go. War. Yes, go war.

Look at you.

[Speaker 3]
Stop.

[Speaker 1]
Stop.

[Speaker 3]
Stop.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Day. Che.

[Speaker 1]
Day, che.

[Speaker 3]
Same. Nya.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, nya. Good.

[Speaker 3]
Kya.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. Ree. Wo.

Ah, ree, wo, good. Sian. Sian.

Nyal. Nyal. Uh-huh.

Tay. Nah. I guess.

Bur. Rincor.

[Speaker 3]
Rincor.

[Speaker 1]
Yep. Now, because this is the first syllable, it's a real B.

[Speaker 3]
Okay, thank you. Ba. Long.

Bug.

[Speaker 1]
Chug. Chug. Uh-huh.

Soak. Uh-huh. Kung.

Yong. Is it log? You would think, no.

It's bog. Bog.

[Speaker 3]
Beb.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Dode. New song.

[Speaker 1]
The new song. Good, wow. Great, great, really good, really good.

Have you been going to work class?

[Speaker 3]
No, I haven't.

[Speaker 1]
No, look at you. All right, good, really nice. Nice.

Okay. So Ben, this is a little tricky, but it's really cute. It's totally up your alley.

What's kangri? Yeah, kangri, like snow mountain. Himalayas?

Yeah, it's literally Himalaya. Uh-huh. Dawa means similar to the...

To cycles. By the way, if you've ever gone to the foothills of the Him, I lived there for six months and they cover half the sky. It's a weird feeling.

You actually feel nervous that they're going to fall down because they literally cover half the sky. It's really weird. So there's a certain animal which is very similar to a Himalaya mountain and that's the lang den, the hasti bat.

I'm sure what's this word. Hasti is elephant. The guy with the hand.

Yeah, the extra hand, the extra arm, the animal with the extra arm. So this is a poeticism for an elephant. And now we're not just talking about a normal elephant, we're talking about the longbow of all the elephants.

Wow, cool. I don't know him, unless it's Ganesh. There's Chaco Martin's elephant?

Yeah, I think so. I'm not sure, but anyway, the big boss of all the elephants around. Okay.

Who stands as mighty as the Himalaya mountains. But if the Rīdhāgyalpo comes along, Rīdhāg means wild animals. Okay.

The king of the wild animals? Is it a lion? Yeah, that's the word for lion.

The king of the beasts. Okay. The king of the beasts.

Okay, Rīdhāg. If he gets tripa, trowo. He gets mad.

Yeah, if he gets pissed off. He will take his, barmo means his paw. Okay.

He will take his paw, and he doesn't fight. He just shock it on the go of the lung dance. Where he just sets his paw on the head of the...

Elephant. Elephant, okay. He says, chill it, man.

It's just like, it's not a fight. It's just like, he's so powerful. He just puts his hand on his head and says, chill out.

Okay, calm down. This is a wild, insane, mightiest beast, elephant. And the lion is so much more powerful.

He just says, chill out, man. And they say, at that... At that time, then.

At that time. The ngāgyal of the lung dance. Oh, the...

Well, the ngāgyal... Oh, the pride of the elephant. Yeah, I would say arrogance here.

Arrogance. Which he compares to a riwo. Oh, yeah.

Pride as high as a mountain, which he compared Kumarila's pride to a mountain earlier. Yeah, yeah. His mountain of pride.

Miel means it just... Okay. Yeah.

Like miel, like related to degenerate. It just, whatever. It just falls.

It just... Okay. The mountain of pride of the wild, powerful elephant collapses.

Okay. Shatters into dust. Okay.

And then the nāring cores the elephant. Sorry, it's the lion. Oh, oh, the...

Yeah, nāring, like the guy with the long nose. Yeah, exactly. Pays his respect.

Yeah, that's nice. Another poeticism for an elephant. So you can call an elephant the guy with the extra arm.

Then, or you can call Mr. Long Nose. Nāring. And then nāring will turn around after the lion puts his paw quietly on his head and says, I bow to you.

Okay, kurwa, kurti. Now, all of us guys, we are the palangs living around there. We're just like the sheep.

Yeah, we're just the local cattle, like a dharmak, okay? Or a mara. Chuk, those cows.

That's a hulk of palangs. Yeah, just this collection, this herd of cattle. Yeah.

Bark pepa means breathe a sigh of relief. Okay. They can relax.

Dön means they can stay. Okay. They can...

They can what? Feel relaxed. Why?

The crazy animal's been subdued by the lion. And nusam means, isn't that the way it goes? Yeah, nusam, really?

It's a rhetorical question, you know? Isn't it true that the normal people in the land can nu, can take their, can just chill out? Okay, cool.

So now, explain who's who here. Oh, yeah. Well, the elephant here, the wild elephant here is, I mean, mainly kumarila, but I mean...

Exactly, yeah, kumarila. Right, but also kumarila is kind of like, he's the head of the other elephants also. There's a bunch of other teachers running around.

And then the, I don't know, the cattle could be any of us or the people of the land who are relieved that Dharmakirti, the lion, the king of the jungle has tamed the harmful teachings, the harmful teachers. Yeah, and then all those monks who could never have debated kumarila and his 500 awesome monks. They're all like, ah, man, we're so glad he showed up.

Yeah, cool. Nice. There's some other irrelevant notes here.

Don't worry about them. Sometimes I find a lot of information and half of it doesn't relate, but I'm too lazy to erase it. Okay, who's going to check you, Dr. Kramer?

I want to make Jordan read. He can't read Tibetan, so it doesn't matter. But Jordan, it's just good luck to make funny noises for a second.

Don't sweat it and you'll get corrected a bunch and it's a nice seed. Nice. Let's do it.

Cool. Impossible first word, so don't sweat it. Just make a noise and we'll tell you you're wrong.

Jordan, he gave me the worst first word I ever said. It's terrible. Mew?

Of course not. What's the matter with you? Chew, you never could know.

It's not reasonable, it's not fair. Chew, yeah, chew. Chew.

Tra? Yeah, tra, yeah, tra. Yeah, retroflex, tra.

Cheek? Cheek. Cheek.

Pong? Wong. Wong, wong.

Yeah. Dead? Mm-hmm.

Dead? Uh-huh, made dead. Nice.

Made dead. Dead? Ba?

Shin? Shin, yeah, good. It's nice, nice, nice.

You got a roll. Sog? Do?

Sog, do, sog, do. Uh-huh, good.

[Speaker 2]
Tong?

[Speaker 1]
Do? Tong, do, oo, su? Oo, su, wow.

Seng? Gay? Tra?

Yes, yeah, seng, gay, tra. Good stuff. Trakpa?

Yes, trakpa. Yeah, trakpa, right. Trakpa.

Trakpa. Trakpa.

[Speaker 2]
Trakpa.

[Speaker 1]
Mm-hmm. Trakpa. Trae?

Trae. Trae. Mi?

Mi. Mi. Pong?

Pong. Sog? Sog.

Trae. Mm-hmm. That's what is possible.

Drill? Drill. Drill.

Drill. Drill. Drill.

Yeah. Narrow? Nae, trae.

Nae, trae, trae? Uh-huh, trae, yeah. Nae, trae, waa, gay?

Yeah, waa, gay, good. Ignore the V. Read back.

Read back. Sog, nam, ying, yang, ga? Gay.

Gay. Good, beautiful, nice, great. Nice, woo-hoo.

Now you're stuck, the seed is planted and you're going to have to learn Tibetan. His Sanskrit is very good. He's been working very hard on his Sanskrit.

And so this is cruel and unusual punishment to make him work on exactly the language he isn't working on, but. It's like driving a fast car for the first time. Okay.

Chiu is the diminutive of cha, Ben. Birdie. It's a birdie.

Yeah, squirrel, for example. You had chiu in chiu chok. Yeah, I mean, this is, the head baby birdie?

What does this mean? No, chiu chok means head of the herd. So what's, what do you call a herd of?

Oh, flock. Oh. Yeah, okay, so chiu means here, a flock.

It means any group of that animal. Okay. Here it means a flock of squirrels.

Cha means falcon. Oh. And a single cha, depa means to chase.

Okay. It does, yeah. Chase away a whole queue of chius.

Okay. Yeah. Wangmei, like, cannot, does not have the power to chase away a flock of?

They become wangmei. They become wangmei. They flee hopelessly.

Okay. Oh, oh, oh, they are powerless. Yeah, you can take a thousand chius and a single cha can chase them and they're like running for their life, okay?

Yeah. Just like that, somebody was in the usu of the cong du, cong du. Oh, it was in the middle of the, what, the cong du that time?

[Speaker 2]
The gathering? It's a convocation of debaters in ancient time.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, also seems to be a reference, again, I think that's kind of how we describe the party at Guru Gaga. Yeah, exactly. It's like kulum, what do you call kulum banar?

Kulamela. Kulamela, yeah, kulamela. It's a huge spiritual gathering.

Sometimes a million people come. So in the middle of a huge debate ground with thousands of debaters, this guy is a singer. He's a lion.

Yeah, and he gives the, he jocks the jaw of the singer. He roars. Yeah, he roars.

He gives his lions roar. And then the other people can't even tawa him. Can't see him?

They can't stand to even look at him. And they tur. They flee.

They flee to the distance of pak tse. Of pak tse, yeah, without measure. Well, this, no, that's pak me.

Pak tse means 1.5 miles, yojana. Oh. Yeah, gal means they go to that distance.

They run to a mile and a half without looking back. They're like, ah, and they run, you know, just like a hundred sparrows chased by a falcon, okay? Just the sound of his da, which is actually his supa, right?

Supa tse. And then wa is the one you gave the grapes to. The hops, yeah.

And wa kye is a synonym, down here you can see, chen sen wa means wa kye is a synonym for wa. It means a fox person or a fox being. Okay, okay.

And ri dok means wild animal, okay? So it means you can have a hundred was, okay? And then when they hear that da dok of the senge, okay?

Kye means to crack open. Uh-huh. Okay.

What crack? Oh, like the herd, the gathering of them, like splits apart. Their hearts?

Their hearts. Oh, their little hearts. Their hearts crack open and they die.

Little guys. That's so frightening to hear the roar. And by the way, oftentimes, in discussing a great Buddhist master, they will say all the other debaters in the debate ground were yipping like wa kyes.

And then he was doing this senge da, okay? So there's a tradition that foxes, to foxes, foxes sound like lions. Like big foxes sound like lions to little foxes.

But when they hear the real roar, they're nying kye. Their hearts break open and they die. Okay, all right, cool.

Yeah. He's so cool. Our author's such a cool poet.

Yeah, he really is. Tell us his who. By the way, I challenge you to look for this in the Kangyur, Tengyur, and Sumbu.

Just make sure he's not quoting some famous poet. If he's not, I believe it's his own poetry, but let's make sure. We will check, but I think he peppers it, he laces it constantly with elements of the story he himself has been telling with the same verbiage that he himself has been using.

I will double check, but it sure seems like it's him. So tell us who's who in this metaphor. Oh, oh, in this metaphor, yeah, all the little yipping waz are the many debaters that he encounters, all the little yipping fox who get killed by the roar of the lion.

In fact, so loud from other lambs and other debates that by the time he gets to them, they have no heart to even debate him. Yeah, nice, nice, nice. Okay, good.

And he chases them like a falcon. Oh, and I guess here, the ones that, then there were some ran away, right? So that was like the falcon show.

I have a falcon who, I feed birds in my porch for many years, and every once in a while, a falcon shows up. He just picks them off one by one. You should debate him.

I chase him around. I took a picture of a mushroom sometime. Okay, who's going to read, Dr. Kramer?

Just a couple of minutes left, Keshava. I got it. Haggerty is good luck, for sure.

Thanks. Thank you. Yeah.

Dene Dushen. Oh, Shikna? Oh, Shik, yeah.

Gyawar. Gyawar? Gyakar.

Gyakar. Young. Chok.

Jung. Oh, Jungchuk? No, no, Jung.

[Speaker 3]
Jung.

[Speaker 1]
You would think. Jung, other, not Chuk, but. Yolk?

Chok, yeah, Chok, Jung Chok. Pel Nala, don't know. It's probably Nalanda.

Oh. Yeah, I think I fixed it. Yeah, Nalanda.

Oh, Nalanda, okay, yeah. Yeah, it's probably Nalanda Monastery. Mut, Mu?

Yeah. Dekpe Kapa? Kepa.

Kepa. Sam, are we, Samgara? Samgara Acharya.

Samgara Acharya. Acharya. Samgara Acharya.

Tibetans don't. Samgara Acharya. Tibetans don't do Sanskrit well, okay.

Nangpe Kepe, Kepe, Kepa? Good.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, Kepa.

[Speaker 1]
Namdang Tsopa Onggi Sugyalwa.

[Speaker 3]
Dek.

[Speaker 1]
Su. Su.

[Speaker 2]
Su.

[Speaker 1]
Su. Sugyalwa. Yeah.

Sugyalwa. Dek Tenpa Lashukgyu. Damcha, Damcha, or Damcha?

Damcha is good, yeah. Damchawar. Yeah, great.

Damchawar Che. De Do. Che Do, uh-huh.

Chedrel Sakpe. Sakpe. Yeah, Sakpe.

Sakpe. Okay, we're going to read this fast. Yeah.

At another time. Yeah, some other time. In the Chang of Gyelgar.

In the Chang of India, the Chang? Yeah, in the north of India. Oh, in the north of India.

Yeah, there was a Mute Kepa. There was a non-Buddhist master. At Nalanda, which is the site of a great Buddhist monastery.

Greatest. And this guy came up called Sanghara Acharya. Sanghara Acharya.

And he decided to tsepa with the Nangbe Kepas. He wanted to rumble with the Buddhist masters. And last word.

They made an announcement. Durdrak. And that's a dark impurity, right?

Dharmakirti. Okay. Wide and far and wide, right?

Uh-huh. So they made a big advertisement, a big announcement. Su Gyalwa, as a verb.

Su Gyalwa, who would win? Yeah, whoever wins. Whoever wins.

We have to shuk into his tenpa. Oh, yeah, we're going to have to join his teachings, the system of his teachings. And the gyu here means, we will have to.

It's a future tensorizer. Oh. On account of that, we will have to, or something?

Like, that'll be the cause of us having to do something? Kind of like that, yeah. And everybody dam chad.

Oh, dam chad here meaning they pledged, they agreed to it? Yeah, everybody made a promise. If we lose, join your system.

Okay. Cool, beautiful. Now we're going to have a shootout at Nalanda, which is the ultimate Buddhist university.

Yay. Oh, yeah. Until the mixed nuts, and before the mixed nuts.

Beautiful, thank you, boss. Thank you. I repeat, enjoy the story time.

I know. When we hit the root text, you're going to be totally lost. I look forward to it.

No one I'd rather be lost in the woods with. Okay, see you guys. How much time we got, Uncle Nick?

[Speaker 2]
Seven minutes.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, man, you're so tough. Thanks, Keshav. Thank you.

Excuse me for eating. I just, I don't have any other time to eat, so.

[Speaker 2]
We totally get it. Please enjoy.

[Speaker 3]
Totally understand.

[Speaker 2]
We're right there with you. Oh, I put it. Hey, Nick, the goose took out the milk, and now he's on the water.

[Speaker 3]
Would you like another pizza?

[Speaker 2]
Which goose? Ah, yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Mm, salad.

[Speaker 1]
This is the water. We had pizza, but it's gone. I can't show it to you.

[Speaker 3]
There's four more boxes.

[Speaker 1]
I know.

[Speaker 3]
Again? You just had pizza like two nights ago.

[Speaker 1]
It builds character. Yeah. Builds.

That's right.

[Speaker 2]
It brings us all closer together.

[Speaker 1]
That's why my character is so big. All right.