Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 29

[Speaker 2]
We don't hear you though. Are you singing or... Oh, I see.

It was a silent dance. Yeah, exactly. That haircut just gets better and better.

Pretty lovely. Does it make more sense if we're muted than you think there's music here? There we go.

Yeah. Well, we all danced to our own music anyway, so I kind of knew that. Some of us more than others.

Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
That's the meaning dance.

[Speaker 2]
It's a demeaning dance. Demeaning dance. It's a meeting dance.

[Speaker 1]
A meeting dance.

[Speaker 2]
Because daddy's in his meetings. So it's a meeting dance. That's basically all we do when you're in the other room and we're on these meetings.

We just dance just like that. That's what we're doing when you're in there.

[Speaker 1]
Nice dancing. Nice dancing.

[Speaker 2]
Not bad. Okay, careful. Yeah.

Okay, good. You can prick yourself dancing like that. I've seen it happen many times.

Hey, hey, hey.

[Speaker 1]
That's the blessing so you can understand your book.

[Speaker 2]
Hasn't worked yet. Oh, it's so bad. You'll see my translation went badly.

But that's okay. Let's do homework first.

[Speaker 1]
Ben, I got some bad news for you. We're going to replace you with this translator.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he looks clever.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he's built for translating.

[Speaker 2]
I knew my day would come. I had a good run.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I mean, maybe you could get a job in a coffee shop or something. Okay, I'm down. I've got the craze, but...

Which baby is that? Sushumna.

[Speaker 2]
That's it. Why do you think I've been studying coffee in preparation for this day? I knew it would come.

Okay, mixed nerds. What the heck is a river school? Nice.

Why do they have that name? Give the Tibetan and Sanskrit for this group. Yes, yes.

That's right. Don't forget to draw random red things on the screen. Very important.

[Speaker 3]
Why are they called that? Because they like to hang out either on the ghats or on stools, but either way near the Ganges.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, well, sure. Could be maybe any holy river. But yeah, probably the Ganges.

Probably on steps built down into a holy river. You see lots of these along the Ganges. Seems to be an all-purpose term often for orthodox Hindu schools because that's what people observed about them.

Cool. Okay, great. What advice did Shankaracharya receive from the other Brahmin masters about debate?

And what reason did he give for disregarding that advice?

[Speaker 1]
He was advised to try debating other masters that weren't named Dharmakirti first and then prepare himself to debate Dharmakirti. And then he did not heed their advice because he figured if he were to debate other guys, he wouldn't get famous. Right.

So he went ahead and tried to debate Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 2]
Because if he did defeat Dharmakirti, then he would be famous.

[Speaker 1]
Then and only then.

[Speaker 2]
Boy. Well, no, not then. Right.

Not then and only then. But yeah, maybe. Then and only then was used in a different context.

Meaning their advice to him was debate the lesser turkeys before taking on the big guy. And it was a peculiar construction that probably only a nut with great notes or an alarmingly absorbent brain. I'm neither, but we still let me hang out.

And I appreciate that. That's okay.

[Speaker 1]
We don't have to.

[Speaker 2]
What was the question? Give no praise for then and only then. Look, it's written down.

All right. I give up, too.

[Speaker 1]
I'm always happy when I see the answer. And I'm like, oh, yeah, there's no way I knew that. By the way, Ben, the gi is do it.

It's the imperative of do it.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. And only then. Like, good, like, and ought to, like, should.

Yeah. Okay, cool. Yes.

Right. Nick. Perfect.

What is that? Oh, that was unrelated. Cool.

Cool. How did this third incarnation of Shankaracharya react differently to losing debate? Oh, this time, in comparison to the previous losses, he did not throw himself to a death.

Did make some progress in suicide. What did he do instead? He became a Buddhist.

I thought he mixed us.

[Speaker 1]
And then he started.

[Speaker 2]
Be any one of us. Maybe. I don't know if we would know it.

No. Give the phrase for a faith born from understanding.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Nice question. It does not happen to be that.

[Speaker 2]
It was. Those are related, but you got to connect it with a different grammatical case than the genitive. They are not the second, fourth or seventh.

We're getting warmer.

[Speaker 1]
I must have had cinema for my ears.

[Speaker 2]
I think we've just covered all the wrong cases. No one tried it yet.

[Speaker 1]
Oscar got it. Oscar got it. They publish it.

[Speaker 2]
Which I thought was kind of surprising from. OK, party's over. I did not understand this construction, so I look forward to your helpful corrections.

Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah, means he had reached the end of his life. Joe would say he had done all he could do for the teachings of the Buddhists.

[Speaker 2]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
He had reached the end of all the disciples. He could help to hope to teach. Tom Thomas, not Tom.

Right. He ran out of students who were good enough to teach. He taught all he could give.

And I sit right there in that spot. His holy mind went to.

[Speaker 2]
OK. All right. To the realm of this or the realm of the dark.

But OK. OK. Here, I'll put this on.

This was interesting. I don't know how I'm from.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. No, I'm not. OK, good.

Don't do it. True. The gender gender means to invite someone.

And it means to pull someone's holy eyes. But it means to invite someone. And it's the ancient form.

And they invited his body to the dirt. Oh, burial ground.

[Speaker 2]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
They want to keep it super polite. They took his body to the burial ground. But they don't say that.

They conducted his body to the burial ground. Kudum is a corpse. But it's high, high honorific.

And dum often means a, what do you call that? A tomb. A tomb.

So there's implications here that they placed his body. Into a tomb. Yeah.

And then there came. It should be met nam kha ne, Ben, right? I mean, don't change it.

But that's the meaning of it.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right. OK. Yeah.

Oh, no.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, from the sky. And by the way, we have this exact same structure in Sagan's new book, When the Sky Drops Pearls. For the Lady of the Pearls, who sees emptiness directly.

And you can't know until you finish the book. OK. And ch'i nge means a delightful smell, fragrance.

And that's kind of weird because nge means bad, right? Ima nge ma means it stinks. But ch'i nge means it has a wonderful fragrance.

So ch'i nge dangwa means rose. A great fragrance rose from his body. OK.

Yeah, that's a good chin. Yeah, good. I see.

Yeah, that's correct. The whole Earth. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
And that's a poeticism. You want to explain the poeticism here?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, this is the one who wears the clothes of the oceans is the Earth.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. It's an ancient Sanskrit poeticism for the Earth. The lady who has the oceans on her shoulders, who's dressed in the oceans.

And it means the Earth, the continent. So they don't call, they don't say his fame or this fragrance covered the whole Earth. They say this fragrance was smeared all over the lady who wears the shawl of the oceans.

It means the whole Earth. OK. Life.

Life. OK. Life.

[Speaker 2]
OK. This was, I don't know, something like that.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. That's a good translation. For all of the week, the Earth was filled with a musical sound.

OK, good. All his bones have been replaced by certain good. Yeah.

Only my only suggestion, and it's a good translation, is that du dun means, usually it's an annual service or an annual commemoration of his life. Yeah. So for many years, people did an annual commemoration.

That's nice. Yeah. On the day of his passing, gomba's over.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, neat. OK, cool. That's all I got, boss.

Nice. Good job.

[Speaker 1]
Very nice. Where is that guy? He's over here.

Go down. Go down. All right.

Amazing. OK. So let's do two paragraphs with you, Ben, and then you can pick on somebody else.

OK. You guys can translate this. During the length of this Lopin's coup, right?

[Speaker 2]
OK, his life, his body. I mean, the time he was alive.

[Speaker 1]
Lots of people, langpa, the gelong and ge tsok gi dompa.

[Speaker 2]
They practiced, I mean, kept the vows, the commitments.

[Speaker 1]
They took their vows, langpa vows, last tense of life, right? And then they omwad those vows.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, they protected them.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and then they kept those vows properly, OK? And lots of gyanyans were created.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, a lot of people with five types of lay vows.

[Speaker 1]
And they agreed to keep the lapay shi nga, the five foundations of the Vinaya for lay people, which means the five basic vows. What are they? No killing, sexual, lying, and drinking, or using drugs.

It doesn't say four and a half.

[Speaker 2]
It says five.

[Speaker 1]
Somebody asked my lama, can I just take the four without the alcohol one? He said, get out of here. All right, so chungpa means he inspired them to take those vows, OK?

He got them to take those vows. How many people? Boom.

[Speaker 3]
1,000. 10,000? 100,000.

Boom is 100,000.

[Speaker 1]
And actually, it was more than a boom.

[Speaker 2]
More than that.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, more than 100,000 people were made monks and nuns and lay people. OK, Ben, one more. You read, OK?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, this is an idiom.

[Speaker 1]
And it's a beautiful one. Say, chukidrewa.

[Speaker 2]
Chukidrewa, oh, a dharma relationship?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and I can remember. My teacher used to take me into some famous teacher's room and say, tap him on the head or something. You'll have a chukidrewa for your next life.

Dharma connection, chukidrewa. So people who had a dharma connection with this master, saten kyap.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, they were all over the place.

[Speaker 1]
They covered the face of the planet. Cool. People who had a dharma connection with him, OK?

But, then there's a but here. Who he allowed to dharma behind him personally.

[Speaker 2]
I see, follow in his footsteps, sort of?

[Speaker 1]
Who he allowed to travel with him or to be with him at the time. Oh. Not more than five people?

More than five. He would never... Close disciples, he limited to five.

There were billions of people who had a connection with him, but he kept his entourage small, which I think is wise. All right. All right, Ben, you pick on other people while grandpa drinks tea.

[Speaker 2]
OK, Elmira. Good evening, it's a pleasure. Trau.

Trau. Wa. Shing.

Chirgolwa. Kul. Lad.

Du. Chiktu. Sunlen.

Pem. Park. Nu.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Hey, Ben. Yes.

This gyelwa means in the excess of, OK? So, if you count all the dharma groups that he founded and all the tsukla khangs that he built, a gyelwa, a tongchak.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, oh, it was, yeah, more than, yeah, again, I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
More than a thousand. He founded more than a thousand dharma groups and temples, OK?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Shing means he built, built up. And this, I like this one. This is probably Ben Kramer.

Sunlen tap means to respond in a debate, OK? To give a response in a debate. Du chiktu, he could handle chirgolwa chu.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he, at one time, he could handle ten opponents?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, at the same time.

[Speaker 2]
Cool.

[Speaker 1]
I like those karate guys who can beat up ten guys. They circle him and he can handle ten guys at the same time. I like that.

Yeah, ten people could ask him questions and he could say, uh, nope, yep, nope, uh, yep, nope, yep. Or he, OK, keep going. Who are you going to pick on?

[Speaker 2]
Marina.

[Speaker 1]
Marina. Oh.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know how to say it in Russian. Good, good. Wow, very impressive.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, good.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he entered into the path of the secret word.

[Speaker 1]
And he became a duptor and a non-judge symbol.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, and I think Georgia is a deity.

[Speaker 1]
Named by dress. Okay. It doesn't mean the city called Vajrasana.

So, I think he, he, he seek the shell of the Lama Dojindimba.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he saw his own face directly.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yep.

[Speaker 1]
Yep. And then he saw the Duke, he saw Duke to get you in his vision.

[Speaker 2]
During the vision of that daddy he saw Duke to get you The 80 things to awesome things to achieve, or something.

[Speaker 3]
Mahasiddhas. Mahasiddhas.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah, it could be the Mahasiddhas but among these 80 accomplished people. Among these 80 accomplished people. There were some goons.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, that's weird. Some naughty debaters.

[Speaker 1]
Good bad debate good naughty debaters, he'd suck chip of them.

[Speaker 2]
As he does he whooped them up annihilated them.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. And then he Kalashek, or they Kalashek I don't know.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, he or they took off into the sky.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and I described this earlier. I don't remember. Do you?

[Speaker 2]
Nope. No. And it'd be weird if he did it earlier why he'd be doing it, but maybe it's about to make sense.

[Speaker 1]
I don't know. Let's go on. Maybe we can.

Okay. Who are you gonna pick on.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, um, let's see who's next on my screen is Lindsay. Hmm.

[Speaker 3]
Hey Tom. Wait, is it, what's the, it is.

[Speaker 2]
You got it. Yes.

[Speaker 3]
Yes. Yes. Yes.

Hey, My star. Way. You'll do.

Are. Say. You'll do so.

Again, they It's like a two-syllable word.

[Speaker 2]
That's your buddy.

[Speaker 1]
Hi.

[Speaker 3]
You're Chalwar.

[Speaker 2]
Belwar.

[Speaker 3]
Belwar. Belwar. Saad Day.

[Speaker 2]
Day. Again.

[Speaker 3]
Day, it's in my name too. It's just in. Day.

[Speaker 1]
Day Khusey. Reef. Shrill.

[Speaker 2]
For Luke Guy. Yeet. soon.

Not, not, not, not, not need. Sue. Good.

All right.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Oh, good. You did a nice job.

I hope you keep going like that. Now, there's a little tricky here. This chamber, Ben, he he had to K Kappa and Drupal.

[Speaker 2]
Well, this super dude. I guess it's also kind of Mahatma. He had what both with like mass three and attainment or something.

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
It's kind of that division into study and practice. He had both. That's a common name, Kedrup Dambadargi, for example, who wrote Sugeng's book.

Okay. He had, he was both. He's a great person who had both.

And then there's this formula in Ben's text. It's a high practice of a Buddha. These, these that are mentioned here.

Okay. And I don't remember where it is. Maybe you can find it.

It's in the qualities of a Buddha. He tarwa that Dambadargi where it madarwa.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he clarified it where it was unclear?

[Speaker 1]
He spread it where it was unspread? Yeah, he spread it where it had not spread. By the way.

Okay, you ready? Who's the author of this book?

[Speaker 2]
This book is written by Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk.

[Speaker 1]
Which great monastery is he from?

[Speaker 2]
The only one that you could truly call great, which is Seramet.

[Speaker 1]
And who's the great textbook writer from that monastery?

[Speaker 2]
Well, you got your Kedrup Dambadargi and your Choney Lama, the big two.

[Speaker 1]
And look, he's hiding the name here. Kedrup Dambadarwa. And there's a tradition that Kedrup Dambadargi was a lot of these people.

For example, Potowa from the Kadampa times. And there's a whole list of... Geshe Wangchuk, in his biography of Kedrup Dambadargi, has a long list of people who he was.

And we should check and see if he was also a Dharmakirti. So he darwa the teaching where the teaching hadn't darwa yet. Where the teaching had nyamba, he saw it.

[Speaker 2]
Where it had degenerated it, he revitalized it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and if it hadn't nyamba...

[Speaker 2]
If it had not degenerated...

[Speaker 1]
He darwa it.

[Speaker 2]
He made it even better.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. And he spent his, could say, shilpa means the total, total entirety.

[Speaker 2]
Every bit of his life or life force or personal energy and vitality.

[Speaker 1]
He shabdeg. Shabdeg means to... Shab means leg, right?

And deg means to hold up somebody's leg. It's related to the word tekpa for yana, mahayana. It means he served the dharma, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, with his holy body, speech, and mind.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, all of them. Tadak, okay? And he didn't just serve, he bulwa his service.

[Speaker 2]
He blew it up. He made it big. Oh, bulwa.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he offered it. And by the way, the nang here could mean it appears like he did that. Or it could be the high honorific for the word offerer.

Guess what's what.

[Speaker 2]
I like the second.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, high honorific. He deigned to offer his body, speech, and mind in the service of the dharma. He was so kind as to offer his body, speech, and mind.

He didn't say he offered his body, speech, and mind. He was so kind as to offer his body, speech, and mind. High honorific.

Now we got some poetry coming. Who are you going to pick on? And make sure they do the meter right or I'm going to get upset.

[Speaker 2]
It seems like Haggerty was practicing that last time. Come on, Haggerty.

[Speaker 1]
He's groaning.

[Speaker 2]
He's like my go-to poetry guy.

[Speaker 1]
Don't forget your cursor. So it goes da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, look at it.

Two, two, two. Last three together. Gompe2.

Go slower and you'll be... Yeah. Oway, Tenla rabb na gen yan gi, tsa luk tsam la ang gu shing la, le Mo ze?

Sa? Le Mo ze. Le Mo ze.

Okay. Akeera Bima, wiklam combi, too. Thank you.

In many care ups. He called me. Oh, I'm the one frozen.

In many care ups. He called me.

[Speaker 3]
I think Ben is frozen again. Oh, in many lifetimes. Sorry, sorry.

[Speaker 2]
It was Yeah, it was strange that all of your internets went bad at once, but I was fine.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Translate in many get ups. He coma.

[Speaker 2]
In many lifetimes he trained himself habituated himself to the path of logic reason.

[Speaker 1]
Good.

[Speaker 2]
And by that to that mystical practice.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah, when he was a shooter.

[Speaker 2]
When he was a youngster.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, even as a youngster. He had number two, and Papa.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he had like Viveca.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Right like this discernment and Papa, I don't, I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
I think he had already acquired it. Okay. He had he rubbed God to the gallery.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he. Yeah, he like ran to it happily ran happily to the teaching from Victor's.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he was really, he really enjoyed the Buddhist teachings. Yeah. And you got to read across the lines now.

Can you engage child of someone who can engage child look means the costume or the dress. And he had great Cooper for even in English.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, even just the cool clothes of the event.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, people who take one day about like a white. You know, they wear white pants and white. As a kid, he was attracted to it.

Okay. Lemon say means he wanted to dress up like that. He wanted to copy it.

Wanted to do this thing. Copy it. Yeah.

Then we'll, then we'll do. Okay. Torture.

[Speaker 2]
Sure, of course I do.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Namka dingy. True.

[Speaker 1]
Sure. Sure. Sure.

Sure. Sure.

[Speaker 2]
Sure. Sure. Poor, poor.

Take say guard role.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Lou gal dang a young J. Shoot there. Dar.

Yeah. To Jay. Okay.

Car long nipple joke to your good.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. In your retreat, then the gym or see a hawker and make a rattle.

[Speaker 2]
Oh no I never had that.

[Speaker 1]
I saw I saw one. Like a six foot rattlesnake, and he came down and grabbed it and ate it. And he flew off of it, and it was still alive in his ears, and like the Mexican flag is based on that.

Anyway, same picture here. Now I'm cutting, you know.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the, the realm of the sky.

[Speaker 1]
Garuda. Garuda. This is a nickname for Garuda ding means to soar through the sky.

So, I'm cutting means Garuda to go is Google. Now this baby, baby, baby Garuda. Okay, little tiny baby.

Okay, shock me. Can you know from budget, you need to come.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, like, like, splay they likes to extend their wings.

[Speaker 1]
This baby Garuda spreads his wings. We're still on the theme of Dharmakirti showing unusual signs as a child. Okay, so the baby Garuda spreads his wings.

And he can pour to any knee, he did.

[Speaker 2]
He can show up I don't know appear in any place he wants.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he can fly to any place he wants. And say God means to God Romans he can have a good time doing it. Romans the player in God means say here means play, not tip in fact it's probably spelled wrong.

Fix it. I think it's okay. And he has a good time while he's on the trip.

Okay. All right. We'll go.

Now he's changing the image from a Garuda to a loop.

[Speaker 2]
And Naga.

[Speaker 1]
And Galpo of the loose.

[Speaker 2]
King of the Naga.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the king of the Nagas. Denga Jomje means the hood of a cobra when they're about to strike. They spread their skin here.

And Jomje means destroyer. And it refers to his chudder, which means the fangs. Gar means to display your fangs.

And Nagas are often pictured as cobras. So the Naga spreads his hood, and he flips out his teeth, and he shows his fangs. Dolje means, I forget the Sanskrit word, Garuda, who travels on their belly.

Pujanga. Yeah, Pujanga. Well, that's Lakshmi.

Anyway, the one who travels on their belly is there's poeticism for a snake. Okay. Kalang means steam that comes out of a pot.

And the Tibetans and the Indians believed that poisonous snakes, when they open their mouth, the hot air that comes out, wet hot air, was poisonous. So it's called kalang, means the poison steam, poison vapor. They didn't understand that the bite was what injected the poison.

They thought there was something about the warmth of the snake's breath.

[Speaker 2]
I mean, there are spitting cobras.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay. Nyambo, you go from the four powers.

[Speaker 2]
Nyamba, the antidote.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so you, oh Naga king, opened your fangs and took care of the snake and provided us with the antidote for that snake. The snake of anger or mental afflictions, and you struck him and killed him.

[Speaker 2]
So the Naga is fighting the snake?

[Speaker 1]
Yep.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Or you could read the third line with the fourth line and say that he's a Naga picking on the snake. Sorry, that he's a Garuda picking on the snake. I think you could read it that way, too.

And you could read the open fangs and the claws, darwa, as the mental afflictions, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
In fact, I would do it that way. I agree with you. So the third line I would read with the bad guys.

And the first two lines are the good guys. And the fourth line is what the good guys did to the bad guys. Okay?

Yes, yes. And by the way, there's this big, big deal in the study of bodhisattvas. Do you remember about baby Garudas?

They outshine. Yeah, they outshine all other birds, even in the nest. And a prince in his mother's arms is already superior to the highest ministers.

Okay. And a person who's trying to be a bodhisattva is already far beyond normal people. Cool.

That's nice.

[Speaker 2]
About someone who's trying to try.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, there's a lot of precedent for baby Garudas in the bodhisattva literature. Okay. I thought you might want some of the poisons that come out of those snakes.

[Speaker 2]
I was concerned about that. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Who you got for the next verse? Haggerty's running.

[Speaker 2]
I can't see who else is in the room.

[Speaker 1]
We got Rosa, John Brady, Connie.

[Speaker 2]
Rosa, we never get Rosa in this nest.

[Speaker 1]
I'm sorry, you shouldn't say that. We had her today, actually. You did a really good job.

You got Ronit. You got Jacqueline.

[Speaker 2]
Ronit, great.

[Speaker 1]
You got Anjali. You got Ellie.

[Speaker 2]
Jigme is definitely good luck.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, let's go, let's go.

[Speaker 2]
I'll be the last one. I can't see if we're on or not.

[Speaker 1]
We are. Okay. You don't want to know.

Okay, read this slowly. Enjoy.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. I'm wondering if there's not some mistake here, Ben, because it doesn't quite work. But let's talk.

Maowei Senge means someone who is a lion teacher.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Talks like a lion, teaches like a lion.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, with the confidence of a lion. Tram means he may be skinny. Okay.

He might be skinny, but. Shejay Kala, in the sky of Shejas.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, in the sky of all existing things, all known things.

[Speaker 1]
If he counts his shocks of modu.

[Speaker 2]
Extends his wings, his intellect.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. He can swoop down on the mutex, who are totches.

[Speaker 2]
Well, the river dancers.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Who are serpents. Okay.

And all of their Kala, which means they're wrong.

[Speaker 3]
I think he froze, but they're venomous.

[Speaker 1]
I did. Yeah, all their Kala, which is their talus. And that Kala vapor, that vapor again.

[Speaker 2]
Their breath. Yes, their venomous views.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he takes all their poison vapor of their wrong views. And he, with rikpa of sipa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, with the logic of debating.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and dermo means claws. Okay, and now it's clear it refers to the claws of the Garuda. Okay.

He destroys the tsawa of the thuk of their tawa ngenpa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the root poison of their nasty views, the enemy root.

[Speaker 1]
Now I want you to read tsawa as tsawa ne chung.

[Speaker 2]
Tsawa ne chung. The. Oh, the.

[Speaker 1]
He destroys it from.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, destroys it from the root.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, from the roots. Okay, good. You got Ellie sit here but I'm not saying.

Well, it's perfect. No, we got a full five minutes.

[Speaker 2]
You got a full five minutes.

[Speaker 1]
I mean, who do you want?

[Speaker 2]
Mr. Please don't leave us.

[Speaker 1]
All right, one more. Shinto. Oh, sorry.

Yeah, okay. Okay. So, drum is to journey, right.

[Speaker 2]
It's a journey to land of jewels.

[Speaker 1]
It's difficult to travel to the city of the jewels. But if the open is a camper.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, if you have a master captain master sailor.

[Speaker 1]
He will guide the chimneys, he will make sure the ship is temple.

[Speaker 2]
Temples. Steady like security.

[Speaker 1]
Sturdy. Yeah. And he will travel the view of the lung of the ghetto.

[Speaker 2]
The course of the. Yeah, the ocean.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he'll follow the course of the path of the ocean. And the ocean itself is chow chowa not dispelling chowa of any power. And anything.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, it is. Yeah, with without an end, or, or.

[Speaker 1]
No, no, no. And nobody. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
And less than bottomless. Yeah, that's great.

[Speaker 1]
Travel the path of the sea. Across the ocean, which has no bottom or edges. She's sneaky.

And then means arrive. They, they were, and they locked means easily. Okay.

He will easily make the journey. London's return with good.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, with, like, whatever you want.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he'll return with everything we wanted. If you have a wise ship captain. Again, in two gangs new book.

There's a beautiful story of a. It was a constant trade route to Sri Lanka to pick up jewels. And that's how a lady saw emptiness from the painting of the wheel of life which was carried on a ship to Sri Lanka.

Okay. If you go fast. Why don't you do this one and we'll do it fast.

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. They should poka, poka means difficult to fathom. Why?

She, she, she and non dominated the school systems of Buddhists and Buddhists. Okay. Yes.

My way. Wangchuk, master teacher, professor, you have a master teacher who can act as your tepeng, your guide, your ship captain sort of, and if they can build you a true of namche, a boat of discernment, yeah, then you could cross

[Speaker 2]
the gyu of the gyatso, the course of the subtle secret words, oh the, go ahead, yeah, of the subtle secret words of the views, the philosophical systems,

[Speaker 1]
different systems, if you have a master teacher, you can cross the difficult ocean of these really weird words of the different Buddhist schools, like if you were in the mixed nuts.

In Sanwa Norbu Doshel Gurujang, you can take, doshel means crystal, so then you can wear that string of crystal beads of secrets, of the secrets of the schools, you can take it and put it on your gul, which means your neck, okay, so I'm offering you a necklace and you can, of the secrets of all the different schools, and if you like, you can learn it and put it on your own throat and wear it home.

That's what you're gonna have to do because I'm going home.

[Speaker 2]
So much better than a crystal necktie.

[Speaker 1]
Don't even bring it up. Okay. All right, you're gonna do the next two and a half verse, three verses, right?

[Speaker 2]
Well, so we're definitely going to try.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's not too bad. It's not too bad. Okay, anything, Master Nip?

Not tonight. Just have a great night. Get some rest.

Keshe, let's see if you can check that email out that I sent you about the book, the bibliography. It should be easy at this point. It'd be easy.

I hate it when people say it should be easy.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Keshe, love. Thank you for the classes. Yeah.

Big sushi for the day, boss.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, thanks for hanging in there, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow. Get some rest, everybody.

Thank you, Keshe. Thanks for everything. Okay.

Thanks, everybody.

[Speaker 2]
He's not listening.

[Speaker 1]
I'm listening.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Ben. Thank you, Nick.

Thank you, Ben. Good night. Thank you.

Thank you, Marina. Thank you, Francisco. Francisco.

All right. See you guys. God bless us, everyone.