Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 24

[Speaker 1]
Where's that homework? Here we go. All right.

I'm waiting. Here we go. Here we go.

Here we go. So, which draft of Master Devendra Boody's commentary was considered acceptable to Master Dharmakirti?

[Speaker 3]
The third.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. What happened to the others?

[Speaker 2]
When in the lake, one brother got burned in a fire.

[Speaker 1]
Burned in a fire. I object to the word acceptable. Yeah, right.

Okay, well, we'll see. I'm going to follow up on it. I mean, we'll see.

I'll say minimum acceptable. How's that? Okay.

Yes, I didn't, you know, right. Well, we'll see. We're going to cover that.

I hope. Suggested tolerable. But which one wasn't destroyed immediately?

Yes. What sentiment did Devendra Boody add to his final version?

[Speaker 3]
Hey, I don't know much of stuff, but I just wrote this down to remind me of the stuff I didn't know, so I didn't forget.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, right. So, remind me, or literally he uses what word that Ben always confuses for meditation?

[Speaker 3]
Oh, habituate.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, great. Yeah, right, exactly. Oh, what is the honorific Tibetan term used by Bhutan Rinpoche here to describe offering a book to one's teacher?

Yeah, cool. Nice. Pretty.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. He does say Yes, I have no goodness at all, but time never waits around.

I wrote this commentary on difficult points just to become familiar with the material. His teacher threw away his first two attempts. Yeah, and then he thought maybe, well, we don't know.

Seems like that may have helped. Might have been the sugar on the spoon to get the medicine to go down. What was lacking in, that's not how that's spelled.

Oh, better yet. What was lacking in Devendra Buddhi's commentary, according to Master Dharmakirti, and what was present?

[Speaker 3]
He missed the fine points and the underlying things. Yeah, the implications of the wording.

[Speaker 1]
Right, that's right. I would say the wording also suggests applications. Like he wrote a commentary, but he didn't suggest how people could apply it further or something like that.

Yeah, he said that, which was a pretty interesting choice of words that I struggled with. I sort of said, right, and it's not great, but preliminarily, I sort of said, though, this work has none of the tangential topics nor the subtle meanings that my words have hinted at. But the explicit meaning of my words is here.

I like it. Although he said glossed, so I'm not sure he really said explicit. Oh, he said, if you want to know.

Oh, good. You know, if, well, then that would be inconvenient. Here we go.

Nah, it's worth it. Here. No.

Yes. Here. I'm stalling for you, boss.

Bon appetit. Look up. Search the document for PHROS.

There you go. Here. Yeah, right.

The ch and the tsik, or the tsiki-tsorgi, right? Explicit here being the ng, the direct teaching, right? Which I took that to be explicit, right?

Ngusu, direct meaning or direct intention of the teaching. That's good. Something like, for now.

Okay, where am I? What's happening? Here we go.

This one. How does Master Dharmakirti compare his understanding to a river? Real quick, just give me the Tibetan word used here for river.

That's easy. That was part of it. Chuh-wo, wasn't it?

Yeah, chuh-wo. Flows into the ocean in the way that it, so it like disappears into the...

[Speaker 3]
It tims into the ocean. Dissolves, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, well, the water does run into the ocean, but what tims into what? Rivers dissolve into the ocean. He doesn't use the word tim for the rivers and the ocean.

He uses the word tim for something else, which is kind of neat.

[Speaker 3]
His understanding into...

[Speaker 1]
Into what?

[Speaker 3]
His body.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, into his body. Which is gonna die. Yeah, right.

Oh, yeah. Here will be, will dissolve back into my body when I'm out of here, just like a river does, runs, yes, just as castles made of sand melt into the sea eventually. Yeah, here's a fourth question.

Sorry, couldn't resist. What facts shed some question on our own understanding of the neat distinction that we may otherwise attempt to make between Mahayana and Hinayana masters?

[Speaker 2]
Writing sadhanas when you're a Hinayana master.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, what else? Having a sakbe-san. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, right. What else? There was another cool one that came up.

Those are great examples. Yeah, he had a yidam. He wrote a commentary.

It sounds like he wrote a sadhana even for Sambara, which was not translated into Tibetan. I almost said English, but that too, so far as we know. And I'm sure Aisha's gonna find it.

Yeah, well, and also he wrote a commentary on Perfection of Wisdom. Yeah. Which, and this doesn't have an answer, right?

But anyway, on the 73rd cup of coffee, then I was wondering, what school's perspective is his commentary on the Perfection of Wisdom told from? And we don't know really, okay? But what happens when you drink that much coffee is you start, I kind of like made a, I went digging a little bit, right?

In what we knew of his works in the catalog. And I kind of hit the ones that seemed suspicious for Hinayana. And found, so for example, like here is, yeah, here's a, oh, here, check this out.

Whoops. Do, do, do, do, do. Here's a, here is a Pell Khorlo Donpa, right?

Here he's writing on, yeah, right? Maybe Union of Spirits or maybe Chakrasambara. Here, it's not the sadhana that wasn't translated into Tibetan, but praises at least.

Here's another tantric text. Here is, so it's a commentary on Nguyen Thuoc Khen, it looks like, for Tim. And I also found it sort of interesting, just browsing a little bit, that he's actually quoting, it looks like Chandrakirti, who's like nearly contemporary.

Yeah, that's amazing. Pretty wild, right? Yeah, that's really amazing, yeah.

I thought so too. So, cool. And then, boss, you didn't really give me a section to translate, but I just grabbed a next.

That's fine, yeah. Okay. Oh, here we go.

Here. Okay, great. This is a fun one.

Here, I'll even blow that up a little bit for the kids at home. Good. I'm gonna check it, okay?

DE NAS TZAM GYIS MA TSUM PAR What was not enough to satisfy him? I guess, well, we had, I guess just doing, I mean, I hate to say it, but doing sadhana, or like, you know, last we left off, he was writing praises to his close angel. And then we had this poem about like, hey, be satisfied, but then maybe he wasn't.

So. Okay. Okay.

Since he wasn't pretty well-esteemed in the number of his first-sound systems, he knew he could never refute those positions. So, he disguised some of those closest to him, thinking there must be some masternodes here. TZAM GYIS TSANGS RGYAS THAR NAG PA Good, perfect.

Yep. Oh, by the way, TSUL YOD NYAM means, yeah, who is there who might know all that stuff? Oh, he's kind of like asking, TSUL, like a question.

Right, okay. Self-question, yeah. Who is there who might know the tantras of the non-Buddhists?

Because I would like to master them to discredit them, to defeat them, okay? And he disguised himself as a servant to get access to. Oh, right.

To a Hindu teacher, okay? All right, cool. And then he hid in the other room when someone was...

Yeah, right, hopefully that's... I don't remember about that, but... It was very memorable, it may come up.

I couldn't even type all of that, and I'm a very fast typist. Would you mind just reading what you wrote? Oh, uh-huh.

[Speaker 2]
For the benefit of those of us who are not...

[Speaker 1]
Okay, well, it's flawed. So, yes, flawed.

[Speaker 2]
Or what you, how you translated it.

[Speaker 1]
Furial, here, uh-huh. Oh, I see, thank you. You bet.

Okay, can you see my screen? I can. Okay, we finished this paragraph, right?

Yeah. And we'll go to the next one. Uh, and let me choose somebody.

Chunzong would like to critique you. Thank you, Chunzong. Hi, Chunzong.

Hi there, Chunzong. Is your microphone on? What?

That was weird. If you don't say I'm here, I'm gonna call on Connie, and she's gonna hate you forever. Unlikely.

Oh, Connie won't do that. Okay, Connie, can you check Ben? No, she's...

They just tune in and go to sleep somewhere.

[Speaker 2]
No, no, no. I'm actually grocery shopping. I'm sorry, I think that's what you do.

[Speaker 1]
But I can stand in a corner. It's not a block. I can stand in a corner.

You're the first person to do Buddhist scripture in the corner. Hold first. All right.

Okay, please read, Darcy. A day to get God flow. Chalk.

To move. Back there. Uh, Tom, Jay, la Shindu Kappa.

Tungmong way. Rigney Yongjok took la Sharwa Dumba. Shunnu rope.

Palm shunnu Malin. Ser. Waltay.

Shupa. Ken. Ney.

Loopin. Day. Took to pet.

GUNG DU. GUNG DU PAD. Yeah, good.

GYAL GYUR LHO CHOG. Southern India. Yeah, at that time in southern India, there was a SHIN TU KHYAD PAR.

Quite the master indeed in the non-Buddhist, of all the non-Buddhist philosophical systems. Yeah, he also had THUG TZU CHUD PA, all the RIGDNES. TUM BA BA.

Oh, he had... Oh, THUG TZU... Well, THUG LAI SHAR BA.

He held in his heart... Okay. All the...

All the shared sciences. Yeah, like poetry, music, fine arts. Okay.

He taught them? TUM BA? No, THUG LAI SHAR BA, they had appeared in his mind, something like that.

And his name was SHUN NU ROL PA. Or some people called him SHUN NU MA LEN. Right.

KUMARILA is what we have been using historically for this name. What is it? KUMARI...

KUMARILA. Yeah, like the... It's like the stealer of young women or something.

I'd have to go look it up. We dealt with it in Sudanta. Okay, good.

Then SHUN NU MA LEN makes sense. He stole young ladies. He took young ladies.

But he's also called the youthful player. It's tempting to call him a player, but we won't do that. Okay, the youthful...

I don't know. The playboy. Player, yeah, okay.

SHUN NU MA LEN. Once Dharmakirti had figured out that he was around, he LOP PA DE THUG DU PAS. He...

Sorry, I guess... Oh, DUNG delivered himself at his feet. Yeah, exactly.

DUNG means he went into his presence, right? DUNG is related to... It is, no?

DUNG means into the presence of somebody. Oh, I'm sorry, okay. He went to where he lived.

Okay, yeah. And what happened then... CHEN TZAM...

No, Connie. No, that's mean. We don't want to listen to that.

We don't want to listen to that pure and hopeful... Okay. And about DUNG MA, are you up?

[Speaker 2]
Are you there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But hang on, I've got to move myself into a different position.

All right. That's okay. I'm not going to ask.

No, I'm just heating up some soup for dinner, and then I'll be here.

[Speaker 1]
Please read, Dr. Boone. RIG CHE LA KYANG LA MU THAG PA'I GRUB TE SANG SRID DUG NU Nice. This Dungpa...

This teacher here, that guy. ...had a lot of sashings. Oh, a lot of...

many lands? Yeah, this is the same one that we had with Alison this morning. He had lots of farm fields, right?

And he had lots of balangs. So many cows. Not just normal balangs, but mahes.

Don't know. SHAN TI DE PA LDOG PA DANG NI MA HES BZHIN DE NYID CHE CHE DI MA BYAS LO BUR DUS NI ZHI DAG NI What is that? Oscar says buffalo.

Yeah, this project was... This project I didn't get to yet. This project is half done, and suddenly the Lord of Death comes.

And then you're like a mahe, waiting in line at the butcher's. BA LA MA HES SOGS CHUG DBANG He was blessed with bovines. Okay?

Okay. I'm sorry. Say again, he was...

He had many bovines. Great, great. Many, many a bovine.

Cows. Cows, your buffaloes, your cows. All the bovines one could have.

I'm out of them. But those are the big two, I guess. And then chug became the word in Tibetan for...

Pecuniary. Rich. Rich, yeah.

Many cow, many bovine. Okay, he also had ngab kya each of trans, po and ten mo. Oh boy.

He had 500 male and female trans. What are trans? It means a sermon.

Oh, great. Okay. Male and female sermon.

500. That's a bunch. ZHOG ZHES TSOR BA I had to look it up.

TSOR BA means... It means to... It means to take care of somebody.

Like your children. You TSOR them. What do you call that?

You... Dependents. You pay their bills, right?

Okay. Maintain. Dependents.

Support them. You support them. TSOR BA.

And with yogurt and meat. ZHOG ZHES He supported them with yogurt and meat. And what that means in modern languages, they were on his payroll.

Okay. He had lots of people on his payroll. Okay.

And he was supporting all these people with yogurt and meat, meaning cash. Cash at the time was yogurt and meat. Right.

Both of which are extracted from his bovine collection. Yeah. THA NA And even to the extreme, that teaches CHUNG MA and his TRUG GS.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, CHUNG MA means like partner? Yeah, it means wife.

It's the... What do you call that? Not derogatory.

Diminutive. Diminutive? Pejorative?

Pejorative. In ancient Tibetan, wife is little one. Little lady.

Okay, little lady. His little lady and his TRUG GS, even his PUG GS. In modern Tibetan, a guy called PUG GS.

His children, okay? Oh, good. His wife and his children were also ZHANG in the ZHES.

Wow, they were also ZHANG versed in the sciences? Or the VEDAS? Yeah, the VEDAS.

They were masters of the VEDAS. His wife and his kids were VEDA masters, okay? In the script of the Hindus.

And they were even NUS PA to DUN, the ZHANG ZIGS of the Muthigvidukta. Yeah, they could teach the secret words, secret instructions, or maybe tantras here of the non-Buddhist schools. Yeah, even his wife and children were qualified tantric teachers in the Hindu traditions.

Is that how you take that, boss? I mean, these are... I was fuzzy on ZHANG ZIGS here.

Oh, yeah, it definitely means secret. It means mantras. Cool, okay.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it means mantras and mantras, yeah.

Cool. All right. Let me pick somebody else.

Gibson wants to check you. Gibson. No problem.

Sorry, Gibson. You ready, boss? Thank you, sir.

Okay, give him a hard time. Ben, make some mistakes of compassion. Okay.

Okay. Four. Nice.

Tum bah. Tum bah. Tum bah.

Here it is. Tum bah. Tum bah.

Tum bah. And here it is. They can teach you it often.

Good. In fact, we didn't really have one of our family members teach you this but, A tomba shown new role. They look on lock your key.

Gawaii lay dead. Tom J. Palare.

Don. Yes. Don't play nice.

Yeah, I'm trying to trying to help Gibson here. Okay, it's random. Okay, it's an idiom random.

Yeah, it's a heavy penis. Random. Okay.

Random. Okay. Lopin Chodak.

Then, Master Dharmakirti. Yeah. Kangyong.

Shinkula in Chinese. Shinkula. Oh, I don't know.

Heart. I don't know. Thank you very much.

No, Kangyong. Hard work. Hard work.

Yeah, it means really hard work. Okay. Extraordinarily hard.

Yeah. Exhausting hard work. Kangyong.

Okay. What does it means to be in difficulties of any kind? K to say is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful idiom.

Who can? Does anybody know it?

[Speaker 3]
The toss away to get rid of the throw away?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, but what's it mean here? Like he threw himself into hard work or like gave himself over to it completely. Yeah, he ignored the difficulties of the hard work.

Yeah, he welcomed it. K to say means, no matter how hard the work was, he didn't give a damn. It means, I don't know.

K to say means that. It's a very strong word. It means he totally ignored any of the difficulties that were presented to him.

He just blew them off. K to say is perfect. Blew them off.

And he drooped all the lay of the gems. He did, oh, grasp all the... Droop, droop.

He accomplished the work of the servants. Oh, the work of the servants. Okay, he did all the work.

He did all the work of the servants. How many servants? Cool, man.

Good. 500? 500.

No, 1,000. 500 men. 500 men.

500 women. Yeah, 1,000 servants. He didn't avoid anything.

He said, I don't give a damn. He did all the work of all the servants. Okay?

Wow. He took it on. They must have been lazy.

Then Shunurupa and his chunma were very shindugu. Oh, they were so happy about it. They were like, wow, this guy's great.

Who's Shunurupa? This is Shunimalen, maybe. This is the...

The playboy. Yeah, the playful, youthful master. And his wife, they were very pleased.

Then the teacher, Shunurupa, said to our lopan, now the lopan is Dharmakirti, right? And he said, you're taking on all this kawile. Kawile, hard work.

Yeah, that much. You're taking on so much hard work. And then he says a very sort of, I don't know, cynical thing.

Phewa dunpa chi yu. Phewa dunpa chi yu. Whatever's in it for you.

Yeah, what do you... What do we say in English? What's in it for you.

Yeah, what are you really doing here? Yeah. Well, he's not wrong.

What are you trying to get? What's your real reason for doing all this stuff? What do you have in mind that you want?

He doesn't believe he just do it out of goodwill. Well, he's right. Yeah, he's right.

Okay, I'm going to pick another person. Gibson, keep going. Okay.

CHE GYIS DU SU BSTAN PA NA, KYANG LOD PUN GYIS SEMS NAS SANGS RIGS YONG SU RDZOGS PA KHYEN NO Good, okay. LOD PUN GYIS Dharmakirti. Yeah, replied, I would like to NYEN PA DANG MUD TE KYI RGYUD DANG Oh, I want to get it.

I want to understand it. Yeah, I would like to learn NYEN. I would like to hear it.

Hear it, yeah. Your systems, okay? Your non-Buddhist systems.

Then the teacher, Shunrupa said, no, then he did NYEN. The teacher NYEN him all of the juktas. Oh, that's nice.

Okay, he did. He taught him all of the non-Buddhist systems. All of the secret words.

All of the... Along with the mantra. DANG PHYED PA Along with the tantric...

And Hindu masters don't give up their mantras easily. So, taught him his mantras also. PHYED PA BSTAN And then the Chuma and the monks taught him GANG ZHES GANG ZHES, qualifier.

Whatever they understood. Yeah. Oh, what they understood.

Yeah, as much as they knew. Yeah, and that's sort of derogatory, right? Yeah, okay.

His wife and the kids, they taught him as much as they knew. Okay? Yeah.

All right? Yeah. Even when they were doing SHIN TU SANG RE DOD BYED, secret practices involving desire, okay?

BSTAN PA RNAMS GANG BSTAN DU LOB PAN SEMS They allowed him to listen. Okay? They allowed him to listen to those instructions.

Okay? SEMS means to. Okay?

He heard all those highly secret instructions. Yeah. And he became a YONGS ROG KHYEN in the Sangway Six.

Yeah, a total master of the secret teachings. Yeah, of the secret teachings. Wow, this is more smooth than the way he did it in our other text.

How did... oh yeah, no, well, oh yeah, they do use the word ten, like he listened to the whole thing. Yeah.

So it's probably a euphemistic presentation. Okay. All right, we're looking for somebody else to torture you.

Where are those guys? Gyaltses Garkovin, and we send you our quick recovery. I'm sure listening to this book is going to help.

Man, I can't find anyone here. I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming. I mean, Rosa keeps coming up, but she doesn't want to do that.

Rebecca, are you there? Hello. Hi, let's torture Ben Kramer, it's fun.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, that sounds fun.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, here we go. All right. Okay, okay, cool.

This is a beautiful story. Dene Lopinthi... Then our master.

He Simba'd the teacher, the Hindu teacher. He Simba'd him. Simba.

He made him offerings or something? It means satisfied. Oh, that's nice.

Tuk Tsim means he satisfied his heart by making him yin. Yeah, this yin is the part in yin ten. By itself, yin means offerings.

Precious offerings. Like food and clothing. Okay, say good.

Okay. We're starting to see, by the way, the honorific used for Dharmakirti here. Okay.

Later, Jesu, he also Simba'd the Chuma and the Pus. Yeah, the wife and the kids. And with the little Nor Lhakma that he had left over after that.

The little leftover wealth. Yeah, the rest of his money that he had after giving them all huge gifts. He threw a dunmo.

Dunmo means a dinner party, or like a party. Okay. Dunmo for all the Brahmins?

Yeah, he did a big party for all the Brahmins. Gyatsher.

[Speaker 3]
Most of them?

[Speaker 1]
He threw a big party. He threw a very big party. And then the Dhammasiddharupa, along with his core.

Yeah, I'm sorry. Nang ne gyatsher nang ne? He threw the party.

Nang. He gave a party. Okay, I'm sorry.

Okay, cool. He gave a big party. And then the teacher.

Everybody's heart was happy. Everybody was happy with it. He made them all happy.

He made them all happy. And then, tsenmo la trul. Trul means to run away.

Took his leave. Yeah, the guy, you can probably imagine, they're all drunk, and they all went to bed, and he just left. And he never saw them again.

Wow. He just left. And that's the end of that story.

Wow. Okay. Yeah.

It's interesting that he didn't just leave. He could have just sneaked away, but he snuck away after he threw a big party and gave everybody lots of presents and stuff. I thought that's kind of classy.

Give me a kiss. Go to bed. Okay.

Good night, Ezra. Good night. Geshe Michael says good night.

Sleep well. Sweet dreams. Okay.

Okay. Now Rebecca still wants, she's begging me to check you. Understandable.

[Speaker 2]
I really am.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Nice. I had, this is a difficult verse, but it's a beautiful verse.

Some people are born into ma-sa, lower station. Okay. Ma-sa, lower place, right?

Ma-sa. Some people are born into ma-sa, lower station. Some people are actually born into a lower class in society.

Lower station. There's lots of different people. Okay, jungwa shin.

And he, what do you call that? Impersonated them. He impersonated them.

Okay. Okay. Like those people who really are born into a lower station.

Yes. Chandulang. He was taken in by the Brahman and his wife as a servant.

Yes. And in time he was granted all the rigdness. Uh-huh.

All of the, well, here's sciences. Yeah. Or shen means he took on all of the sciences, right?

Then this is the last two lines. They're really cute. Ma means a wound, an open wound on your body.

Ha means the opening of the wound, like the mouth. Okay, yep. Tenpa means what?

From it, like emanating? No.

[Speaker 2]
Benefit.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, benefit. There's something you can put on an open wound that will help it. It's the seal of a key.

It's the fat that you cut off a dead dog's body. Wow, I had no idea. Well, you got to try it.

I know a Mongol elderly guy that cured himself of dengue with a silver. So it does work. Kitsil.

Kablamajong. Yeah. It's a question.

Now, keep that image in mind. He's killed a dog, cut the fat off, applied it to a wound, and it helps the wound. Okay.

All right. Rang di tenpa sungway chir. No, I don't know.

Protected by his own teaching? In order to sungwa rang di tenpa. Oh, in order to protect his understanding?

Yeah. In order to protect his own tradition, he tung in lo. Oh, yeah.

He became a master, or he studied, he practiced the teachings, the wrong teachings, not the bad teachings. He went to a master of the wrong teachings. Wow, wild.

He mastered the wrong teachings to put the dog fat on the open wound of the Buddhist teachings that were in trouble. Yeah, cool. So you actually kill an animal, which is a big bad being, you do something negative to help a wound, supposedly.

I mean, you could have a lot of debates about these two lines. Yes, sure. I would say apparently or something.

Right, right. It might be easy to find dead dogs in ancient India. Yeah.

So anyway, it's a very powerful poem. Okay, it's a very powerful poem. He disguised himself as someone born into poverty in order to put the dog fat on the wound in the Buddhist teachings.

Geshe-la, we have no reason to believe that these poems are taken from somewhere, right? Is this just Geshe Wangchuk's style? That he just likes to every now and then throw out a song like he's Tolkien or something?

Yeah, there's called a... I forget what it's called. Bar Tzig Che, like intermediate verse?

Right, Bar Tzig Che. Interstitial verse. It's a verse that you throw in as a segue.

Okay, but they're his. You take them to be his. They are very probably Geshe Wangchuk.

But if you're a mixed nut, it's your responsibility to go see if he took it from somewhere. For sure, yeah. It's quite charming.

It's not easy. I mean, you could give a whole sermon on that one, right? Okay.

That kind of thing happens. All right. Oh, there's another one.

Oh, good. Okay, who's checking you still? Let's do one more with Rebecca, okay?

Sure. GZHIG PA'I PHYIR CHEN LUS DANG LONG CHUB KUN RIGS NAS DON DU SPANG MED DANG BA STE PHAL PA'I MI NUS DAM PA'I PHYIR TSUL YIN KHAS LUN BYED PHRAD TZAM KHYANG DE YIN NO Yeah, this is really beautiful. GZHIG PA'I PHYIR CHEN is referring to your LUS.

Oh, I mean, okay, your body? In this case, PHYIR CHEN means prime example. Oh, a prime example of a worldly thing or something that must go away?

Yeah, of something you're going to lose for sure. The ultimate example of something you're going to lose anyway, which is your body. And your stuff?

And all the possessions, all your car, your house, your family, everything. You're going to lose everything. LONG CHUB KUN Everything you have.

And to give it up, SPANG MED means with no hesitation. No hesitation. In order to get the RIG MEDS.

Yeah, to learn the sciences, the DANG. To learn wisdom in this case. Oh, okay.

Yeah, MI PHAL PA'I MI NUS MI PHAL PA'I MI NUS MI PHAL PA'I MI NUS Unable? I'm sorry. Yeah, unable.

Most people can't do it. Oh, MI PHAL PA'I. People say I can't do it.

It's a DANG PHYIR TSUL. It's a way of... It's a holy thing to do.

It's the kind of thing that holy people do. Okay. To give up things that you're going to lose anyway, to get the RIG MED.

Normal people won't do it. But he did. He gave up his wife, he gave up all his money.

And if you think about it, this is the psalm that JEPAS KEPAS from LUM POS. This is the line that divides masters from LUM POS.

[Speaker 2]
Turkeys. Wolves. Wolves.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, this is the line that divides master from turkeys. That's beautiful. You're going to lose it all anyway.

While you have some money or you have something, you might as well use it to get to the retreat at Diamond Mountain on October 15th.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
It's beautiful. That's Diamond Mountain behind me in the sunset, by the way. Oh, wow.

Did you take that during your three-year retreat? Yeah, I think one of us did. Earl had a camera that we all passed around and then we eventually got pictures off of it.

So I couldn't tell you actually which of us took it. But, yeah, someone in there. I got the video of you feeding your fox.

I mean, if you want. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't take your precious class time.

She came every day. She came every day. Digamo from Adigamo, because, of course, we would allow ourselves to speak sometimes only Sanskrit and we were memorizing yoga sutras.

Adigamo. There you go, Ben Kramer. Oh, yeah, that's our little girl.

[Speaker 2]
She came to me, too.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. By the way, don't feed dogs grapes. I learned since then.

She was okay. But nobody do this. Yeah, and don't show the guy who fundraised for your three-year retreat feeding the fruit to the wild fox.

He was so sweet. Yeah. Come on.

We did not kill any of them to make medicines for our wound holes. I like how he's going to sniff your nose to see if you're hiding. Yeah.

That was the trick, is the grapes that you get way back there, they won't let you pet them. But if you put the grapes in the back of your hand, you can kind of sneak a little tickle under the chin. Here we go.

Yeah. That's what you're doing. People ask me what you're doing three-year retreat.

Well, now you know. We spent a long time trying to get them, almost a year, trying to get them comfortable with us. And the first time she ate out of our hand was Christmas.

Yeah. Yeah. That's beautiful.

That's sweet. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Seiji, if you're... I don't know, Seiji had to go take care of someone.

Are you there? No. Yeah, I'm here.

Okay. Can you check Ben on this next paragraph? Sure.

The master of the foxes. The master of the foxes. Okay, cool.

Then the master went to the south of India to a special... This is... In India, they have these huge kumbhalas.

Oh, yeah. Like a million people come together for two weeks. Yeah.

Swimming the Ganges together. So, it was a special place. It was that kind of...

Songdun means a great formal gathering. And apparently, it was named Gagaguha. And there was even palaces raised there.

Yes, he went there. And he met the king Gyalpo Gyumaribu. All these Ben's are Ben Fine, Ben Fine, Ben...

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Got it? Sure, I got it. Yeah, I did.

Yeah. And then Goyukdang means... Basically, he nailed a sign up on a public street.

And he said, ,YOD DIN NA, ,NA LA TSOD PAR NUS PA GSOD YOD, Yeah. Anyone here... Yeah.

Come debate me, if you can. Yeah. Is there anybody in this whole area who would like to come and debate with me?

And by the way, it wasn't for aggrandizement. He was trying to create a circumstance where they could discuss ideas in public and then the people would learn things. That's the purpose of the debate.

He wasn't trying to beat people. All right. Sugen, are you there?

Or Shinti? I am. Okay, let's check this guy.

Okay. ,RING LA TSOD PA'I PHANG PAR BRDZAD TE, ,THA DAG SANGS RGYAS KYI BSTAN PA LA CHUG, Good. So there was...

well, you know, a dupta, a school of philosophy from a teacher called Seksen. Okay. There he is.

Yeah, the definition is a... a chung song, a siddhi. A siddha?

Isn't it? It's the rishi, isn't it? Oh, rishi of ancient India.

What do you call rishi in English? Rishi. Yeah, a seer is cool.

A seer of ancient India. A wise man, a seer. Sage.

And by the way, he was called Sek... Sempa means to eat. Sempa.

Sek means little bit, like Dorje Segme, right? Okay, because he was into tulshug. He did the tulshug of only eating the crumbs that other people threw away.

Okay, the tapas, the austerity. Yeah, and so he was called Mr. Crumb Eater. Okay, and he had a school of philosophy and there was a master of it, a brahmana named Kanakuta.

Kanakuta. He and also 500 other masters debated with our master. And our master, Kepa Deda, in Dawa Sun, he'd Sempa them.

Oh, it took him three months to beat them all? He debated all of them one by one for three months. Finally, he Pampa them.

Okay, he conquered all of them. And he took them into the Seki Temple. Oh, he set them up within the teachings of the Buddhas.

Yeah, and in those days there was this very common wager that if you beat me, I'll become a Buddhist. If you beat me by public assent, then I will become a Buddhist. Or I will jump in the Ganges River and kill myself.

Okay, all right. TANG TANG is there. Why don't you torch your bed?

This is probably the last one I get. TANG TANG? We have one minute left.

Yeah. Oh, is TANG TANG there? No, okay.

I'm going to check you. Please read quickly. YOD DE RGYAL PO'ANG LO BU'UN GYIS ZHAG LA THUGS DRAM TSE DE DAG GIS NAG NAS LONG DGOS BYAS BA SNGA PHYIR LA NANG DE PHYIR ZHI RE TSUGS SU CHUGS DE RGYAL BAS BSTAN PA SNGAR MED PA'I SAR BSTAN PA SAR DU TSUD Okay.

YOD DE RGYAL PO'ANG, the king of that country, went and touched the feet of our master, which means he respected him. THUGS DRAM TSE DE DAG GIS NAG NAS LONG DGOS BYAS BA He chose among those brahmins, 50 who had a lot of stuff. NANG DE PHYIR ZHI RE TSUGS SU CHUGS DE I don't know.

He set them each into a different sector of the Dharma or something like that, a Buddha Dharma. It might be the ZHI CHUGS DON. But anyway, he assigned each of them to join a certain part of Buddhism.

In this way, Dharmakirti was able to establish TSUGS, newly, the teachings of the Buddha, in a place where those teachings had never been before. Okay. Is the implication of them having a lot of stuff that they were sponsoring these groups?

It could be, yeah. Or it could be that they would be the least likely people to join Buddhism. They were the leaders of their country.

And he said, I want you guys to... Okay. Cool?

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Cool, man.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, as I have mentioned before with Ben's text, you guys should enjoy the quiet before the storm. When we get to the philosophy part, you will all be scratching your head and other places on yourself. Okay.

Thank you, Prashilla. Yeah. Yay, thank you.

Amazing, boss. Thank you so much. All right.

See you soon. We're now on a break, Mr. Neatman. Nine minutes.

This is our big long break.

[Speaker 3]
So come back at 35, please.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and then we're going on to Seiji's text, which is all about compassion and love. And we saved it for putting you to bed. All right.

See you guys. And Ben is doing a Q&A tomorrow. For those of you who don't always make it to the morning sessions, if you can, try to come to his Q&A.

Try to come to all the classes, including his Q&A. Cool. Thank you.

Okay. Take a break.