Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 23

[Speaker 3]
Hey. What's up, man? Yo.

Guess who came for a visit today?

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Brooks. Oh, nice. Yeah, it was good to see that guy.

That's cool. Amazing. He came down for Amelie's third birthday party.

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Oh, cool.

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Is he dressed up? I mean, you know, it's the same. He was not worth what we paid for a clown, but.

He was awesome. So great. Yeah.

I think he just came for the crudité, really. How's the weather there now?

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Perfect.

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So great. It's gray and kind of feels like it's going to rain. But I don't know if it will.

It's awesome. It's cool. I got overwhelmed by sun in Arizona for 12 years.

So I'm happy when it's gray. Waiting for the boss. He's here.

Hi, goody. Good morning. Morning.

Yes. Good morning. OK.

Mr. Maitre down there. Hey, Nick, you look over sugared somehow. It's true.

Hi, Mikey. Hey, Mikey. Hey, Mikey.

Hey, cuckoo. Mikey. Grandpa.

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Grandpa. Hi, Grandpa. He's looking at you this way.

Mikey. Mikey. Grandpa.

Is it grandpa? He's asking me every day. Grandpa, Japan?

I said, no, he's back. Look, grandpa.

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Oh, OK. Hey, if you want something frustrating, go to Japan with Seiji.

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And I see 10,000 of him.

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Go into a coffee shop and they're like, what's up with Baba? And he's like, oh. Whoa, Ezra.

Beautiful hair. Oh, my God.

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Looks like a rock star.

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The real estate agent for the university there, his name is Takahashi.

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Ezra.

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They told me that Takahashi is the most popular last name. So there's many students of Takahashi's. In Sedona, you mean?

For sure in Sedona. They're all Takahashi's. Ezra, could you loan grandpa some hair?

Could I have some of your hair? Get some hair to get you, Michael. Kind of empty up here.

That's nice of you. Thank you.

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I have a haunted house.

[Speaker 1]
Do you have a haunted house?

[Speaker 3]
What?

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I could give it back after the term. That's lucky.

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I'll show what we got.

[Speaker 1]
OK. OK, can you shut the door for me? Oh, God, we're in Kramer's.

OK, here we go. Yeah, yesterday was International Translation Day. I learned on Instagram.

They messed it up. They should have been today. Yeah, when we started, we had to rest yesterday during International Translation Day and just celebrate ourselves.

OK, I'm just going to go ahead and get started. I'm getting something up here, Mr. Kramer. OK.

All right, I'm going to do a little sales job first. OK. Here we go.

This is the... I call this the house cleaning document. Those of you who were not here this morning, this is kind of a bragging thing about the good work we did for the last five years and eight months, or nine months, right?

Yeah. OK. Adam has finished a book.

His book is coming out in November. We're going to be using it heavily in December for the Vietnam Retreat and Advanced Level Two. Allison saved all the nuns' vows for the first time in a thousand years.

Ben Kramer's first book is finished on all the schools of philosophy. Not published yet, not edited yet. Grandpa and Venerable Ellie finished the Heart Sutra Commentary and the Diamond Cutter Sutra Commentary and has been used by many...

Basically, they all flow into all of our organizations. Gibson Chang is doing a really great and unusual book by Je Tsongkapa about his own spiritual life. Nick has finished a very difficult text by Arya Nagarjuna and an impossible commentary.

That's ready for editing. Seiji will finish his first book in about two classes. And that's a 600-page classic on compassion, basically.

Stanley has finished his first book. It's going to be about 400 pages. And it's the first chapter, which I think is one of the most important chapters of the Abhidharmakosha.

So Deng has finished his first book. It's ready for editing. It's a great commentary on the Wheel of Life.

Tangtang and her team have finished two sutras, All the Kinds of Karma, with a great... There's a great video on the DC Press website. Maybe we could show it.

Not today, but... And they finished the Long Medicine Buddha Sutra and they have now finished the Short Medicine Buddha Sutra, which is all the Medicine Buddha stuff there is. And they found the Sanskrit in Afghanistan and cleaned it up with Aisha's help.

And she got some international scholars. She's very... What do you call it?

She works well. And she talks people into helping her. Tim has started on a 56-year project.

Yay! I was a teenager. And Utpala's first book, Emptiness Meditations, that's our bestseller, by the way.

And it's been used in many, many organizations for many courses. And it's pretty much endless. There's, I think, 30-something proofs of emptiness.

Some correct, some... And in Word, I think, has published the best mind-only book I've ever seen. And that's a commentary to Jetsun Kappa.

So it's been used by many, many organizations for the last year or a year and a half. Here's the queue of books coming up next. Ben's text will be up next.

Then Sugeng, then Nick, then Stanley, then Seiji. So today, I'd just like to do point two here. I need a new compilation of the correct footnotes and the correct bibliography entries.

So I need to ask you guys to pull that together because that helps me work. And let me show you what I'm talking about, those of you who don't know what that means. Okay.

Hang on, let me get that up. Okay. Again, I think the most recent one is as of May.

So it's only adding a little bit more. Okay, perhaps it saves me time. Yeah, for sure.

So anyway, here's what those documents look like. Hmm, oh, can you guys see that? Son of the True Thought?

Yeah, so that's all the footnotes that we've ever done. And it's 60 pages of footnotes. So it's extremely valuable when we need a footnote.

We have so many footnotes to finish that we can pull a footnote out of another book. And pretty soon that's going to be, you know, that will be a separate database. And when you need a footnote, here's the classical reference that you can get.

It'll help us to translate faster and faster. And this is the bibliographies piled up. And those are all the, making these bibliographies takes a long, long time.

It's a lot of work. And what it is, it proves where we get the stuff from. So if you ever have a question about a Mixed Nuts book, and you're not sure if something's correct or not, we give you the book.

We give you the catalog number. We give you the page number. You can go check it yourself.

There's no fact in the Mixed Nuts book. And we've published, we've done about 40,000 pages so far, in total, since 1975 or something. And it's all backed up like that, okay?

So I think it's one of the cool things. And as we collect more bibliographies, the work will become less and less, because we can just cut and paste, as long as they are correct. But if someone sneaks a wrong bibliography entry into this list, it takes grandpa a long time, much, much longer than if I had done it myself, because I have to fix it.

So, okay, cool. All right. That's all I'm gonna, that's all the housekeeping I'm gonna do, Ben.

Geshe-la, also Utpala made a combined folder of all of the current checked, she'll correct me if I get this wrong, I hope, Mixed Nuts work so far in text documents that can be searched directly with Gopher. So for example, if you're looking for an item in a footnote, but actually it was in the body of the text instead of the footnote, you would still hit the item or the topic that you want to make a footnote from, but of course you would hit any footnote. And of course you would hit any bibliography entry.

So it's an incredible search tool. I'd like to have it. In theory, we don't really need a separate bibliography document.

We can just glue all the translations together that are approved. Right, and that folder is exactly that. And then you see when you're looking in that document, which item you're in, of course, you know what text it is.

For example, you wanted to go and get the properly formatted bibliography entry from that text, you could do so. That's incredible. And then that's gonna help.

Because there's not much else we can do to speed up. We just, it's human limitations of how many hours there is in a day. There's not a lot we can do about it.

We're pretty efficient. So, all right, here we go to Ben's text. I'm gonna do my desktop.

This doesn't have to be here anymore. I think this is you, right, Ben? I am me.

That looks like me. Yeah, okay, here we go. Just some update on Ben's text.

And let's see here. Okay. We did some of the bio...

Oh, I'm gonna blow this up. Okay, and I'm gonna give you the... Okay.

We're gonna do one class on the biographies. We've been reading biographies of Dignaga and Dharmakirti, the great logic writers. And then we're gonna get back to Ben's text.

And it's gonna take us eight years to finish the first book, I'm sorry to say. It's a huge book. Even if we...

Oh, we could split it up and then we could finish the first book in 2024, which is probably... I think it's better to make shorter books and put out the books rather than wait eight years to put out a book. And what else we got?

Yeah, you got all that. Yeah. Okay.

So we're continuing now with Master Dharmakirti's biography. And here we go. Okay.

Ben's gonna read and Nick's gonna check. You guys ready? Oh yeah.

Yeah. DEN NAS PHAN DI LHA BA'ANG LOD LA BRAL PA TSOR BAR DGOS PAS LEN GCIG TZAM STE ZIG PA PHUL BA PHYIR THUB YANG TZAM PA MED TSEG PA'I PHYI TZAM NAS Yeah. DEN NAS PHAN DI LHA BA'ANG LOD LA BRAL PA TSOR BAR DGOS I don't know why the LAR here, Ben.

I guess for him, but it doesn't make much sense. I think LHA BA'ANG LOD wrote a commentary. Let me see here.

I got a piece of it. This is by, this should have been, this should have been Ler, okay? Geshe-la, I'm a little embarrassed to say, I'm not exactly sure where we are.

We were simultaneously doing two biographies right now because we had our own biographical material that we looked up from Bhutan, but we also were doing the biography last term from Geshe-la Wangchuk directly. I'm in the Bhutan. Okay.

We have two sets of biographies. We have biographies by Bhutan Rinpoche, who is just before Tsongkhapa. And then we have a biography by Yongzhen Yeshe Gyeltsen who wrote the biographies of the Lamrim masters.

And they're not the same. They have differences. So I think it's nice to read both of them.

We're in the middle of Bhutan Rinpoche's biography. And this should have been an S, okay? Okay, so Pandit Dharmakirti wrote a commentary.

GOS PAS means he asked, I think Dharmakirti asked his student to write a commentary. And TZAM means past tense of TZOM. He wrote one.

So the first time he composed one. SIGS PA BU means, can you guess? Just guess.

It's an idiom. Oh, SIGS PA BU. I don't know.

It was seen far and wide or? Don't forget he was asked by his teacher to write a commentary then. He offered it to his eyes, his holy eyes.

Yeah, he showed his first draft to his teacher. And he threw it in a lake, okay? Oh no.

All right. Then YANG TZAM. He wrote it over again.

He wrote it over again. He wrote it over again and his teacher made a SIGS. He burned it up, set it on fire.

He threw it in the fire. And then CHI means, after that, he wrote it again. Then he wrote a little colophon to it.

Which we have here. Okay, I got it for you. It's from his...

He wrote a commentary called Difficult Points in Dharmakirti's Pramanavarttika, right? And the author was Devendra Buddhi. Devendra Buddhi.

And here is the... This is the ending of the fourth chapter. And his comments at the...

He's covering himself for his teacher. Okay, he's trying to cover himself in case he decides to nuke it or something. I don't know.

He says, PHAL CHER KHYEL BA MED NYID DANG I am PHAL CHER KHYEL BA MED. I'm mostly... Mostly I have no goodness.

I have no virtue, mostly. Yeah, I just don't have the karmic bank account to do this commentary, okay? I mean, for the most part, I don't have the karmic bank account to write a good commentary.

DU LA BDOD PA MED PAS CHER And this is a difficult... It's probably much cooler in the Sanskrit, but he says, And time waits for no man. He says, I'm running out of time in my life.

I keep writing commentaries and my teacher keeps throwing them out. BDOD PA is like to wait? To stay, yeah, to stay.

Yeah, oh, it doesn't stay, cool. So look, I don't have... I'm not very good at this stuff.

And time waits for no man. So look, I just did my best for RANG KOM PA. For RANG KOM PA.

Oh, I don't see that, that RANG, but for my own meditation, for my own practice. Yeah, this KOM means to get used to something, KOM. Look, I just wanted to familiarize myself with the material.

I'm not even calling it a commentary that I would publish. I was just trying to get more familiar with it myself. So to put it briefly, that's why I have written a KANDO.

Yeah, a work on difficult topics. So look, I don't have the karma, but look, I'm getting older. And I just wanted to...

I wanted to work with the material so I could increase my own familiarity with it. And I'm not even capable of writing a commentary. But here you go.

Here's my best shot. Please read this. Nick, you're still checking.

Nick, how much BDOD PA? Be honest, how many pieces? Come on.

I ate one cupcake, but that was a lot for me. And many quesadillas. I heard grandpa there.

Okay, go ahead. ,GZHAD PA PO BA'I PHYO DANG GZIG GI GZUR GYIS BYIN PA'I, ,DOD NAM MA BYONG BA DGOS TE GZIG GYIS, ,DBYUNG BAR GZUG DE GZIG GYIS, ,DOD NAM MA GZUG BSTAN PA'I DOD BYONG DUG GSUNGS, Okay. So he added those lines at the end as sort of a disclaimer.

And then he offered it again to Dharmakirti in Puluwa. And Dharmakirti said, ,MA CHUNG BAR DGOS means, you missed. ,DRUG There's implications.

Nick knows this expression. Yes. There's implications of the wording that you have missed completely.

Okay. And GZIG GYIS GZUR GSUM PA'I DON, there's other implied points here that are incidental to the wording. Okay, GZIG GYIS GZUR.

GZIG GYIS GZUR GYIS means, if you were more sensitive to the words I used, you would have seen more deeply into this, into my book. You don't understand the wording and you don't understand the, what do you call it? The possible extrapolations, true.

You don't understand the possible extrapolations of this stuff. For example, using Adam's text for advanced level two for DCI, you don't understand how this could be used elsewhere. You don't understand the finer points of the language.

MA CHUNG, you missed all of that. But... Oh, I mean, you got the words right, the meaning of the words, right?

Yeah, generally you have glossed the words correct. Okay. You got the basic information okay.

The bells and whistles you missed completely, okay? Which happens a lot. Okay.

And there's LHA WANG LO's appendix. All right. And Venerable Utpala, you're just up on my screen here.

Can you check in here? How are you feeling, Venerable?

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Oh, my feeling?

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Take care of yourself, we need you.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
How do you feel? How do you feel?

[Speaker 2]
I feel great.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Grandpa's always that snap there almost every day. You can drop in.

[Speaker 2]
My eyes are a little foggy, but you know.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, welcome. Okay, please read, Dr. Kareem. Ong-Kyong Nge-Lhi-Pa Di-Shen-Gui Ma-Nor-Wa-Ni-Hepa-Ngur-Kong Teh Nam-Drel-Gi-Tuk-Doo Gya-Tso-La-Ni-Cho-Shin-Du-Rang-Gi-Lu-La-Tin Shin-Nup-Pa-Ni-Du-Gyur-Shepa Chu-Che-Tak-Ko Lovely.

At any rate, my rikpa, my understanding? Yeah, my logic, shen kyi mi she, ma norwar. Shen kyi mi she, yeah, you couldn't grasp anyway.

Other people don't get, don't understand me. Yeah, ma norwar, without fault, like they don't get it right. Yeah, people don't get my meaning unmistakably.

Okay, so you didn't get it, but you're in good company. Dukong te, he was thinking that, and because he had that feeling, he was whining about Devendra Buddhi's commentary, right? Like, I just don't get what I'm trying to say.

And he said, therefore, it is said, at the end of the sentence, drak go, it is said that he ordered something chuked at the end of his original Pramanavartika. He said, I want the following sentence added to my original work on logic. Dharmakirti said, look, nobody gets what I tried to say.

I'm asking you guys to add a sentence at the end of my book. Wow. And here's the sentence.

nam gyal jik juk du, at the end of my book, I want you to say, gyal tso la nyi chuk wo, Tim, you know Tim from all the Vajrayogini stuff. Yeah, dissolve into the rivers, dissolving into the ocean. Yeah, the rivers of the planet Earth disappear into the ocean, okay?

Just like that, my understandings are gonna rang gi lu la, Tim. Yeah, they're gonna fade with my body. Yeah, exactly.

Lus pa nyi, and they will be gone on this Earth. My understandings, like the rivers flow into the ocean, my understandings will withdraw back into my being, and then they'll disappear in this world. People just won't get it.

He said, please add that. And I went and got it for you, and it's so beautiful. It's part of a long poem.

Not too long. I think it's definitely worth reading. It's two verses.

One, two, three, four. One, two, three, four. If you don't mind, I thought we could read the whole two verses.

It was actually two verses that he had added. Okay, let's read it together. Venerable Upala, can you keep going on this guy?

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Yes, please.

[Speaker 1]
lo yi nupa chungwa me pa de dak gi kyang sab mo'i deng yip tok me chen Read that one. Translate that one, okay? Some people, their lo yi nupa is chungwa me pa.

Oh, they don't even have a little bit of mental capacity. No, I think here it's, there are people who have no mean understanding. Oh, yeah, they have no small understanding.

Yeah, there's people who have no small wisdom. It means they have, but even those guys... Yeah, they don't grasp the subtleties.

Yeah, of some more. Oh, yeah, of deng yi, deng yi. Oh, of the subtleties of suchness.

Of emptiness, yeah. Okay, so look, there are people who we can't call them idiots, but still they don't understand the finer points of emptiness. Okay, keep going.

Same team, okay? sundru shindu lakpar gyurpa de dak gi kyang chok gi den yi tong ne den You can almost guess what he's saying. Same pattern.

Let's see, those, by exceeding effort, though... There are people who have really, who work really hard. Yeah, oh yeah, right, even though there are people who who make quite a bit of effort indeed, they don't see suchness, emptiness, ultimately, or it's the highest meaning implied here of emptiness.

They don't see the highest form of emptiness, yeah. Okay, even though they work really hard. Okay, keep going.

Same team. Yeah, this is, this one's hard, okay? When I look at all the people around me, when I look for someone who could keep these eloquent teachings, when I look for someone who could keep these eloquent teachings the same as I have, okay?

Sumbar. Minye. I don't find them.

I don't see anybody. And I'm afraid that KO BO SHUNG KO means me. Me, yeah, my text.

Yeah, my text will be like the... Please read. YAT SO LA NI CHO BO BZHIN DU RANG GI ROL LA THIM ZHING NUS PA NI DUNG GYUR GYUR, sorry, DUNG GYUR.

Yeah, like we said, this is the line that we had, right? Yeah. It will fade away like, with my body, like oceans fade into the sea.

Yeah, like rivers flowing into the sea, yeah. Sorry, like rivers fade into the sea, excuse me. He's got one more verse if you want to.

Of course I do. It's the same, it's very sad really. Okay, here we go.

Keep going, Utpala. TSUL DANG TSUL NAS RNAM PAR BYED KHAS LTA BA YIN PA TZAM TSING ZEG Yeah, number J, I just ask you to notice the apostrophe, MNJ. MNJ, like, I don't know, the difference between what is or is not the way or the method?

Yeah, those who are skilled in distinguishing between what should be done and what shouldn't be done, okay, they tend to get sick in the NGES PA'I TZAM TSING. TZAM TSING means they get all tied up in knots, okay? It means...

Rambles? Yeah, you can say, what do you call that? Like hair that's all tied up, that hasn't happened to me in a while.

Yeah, I don't know, dreadlocks, but I don't think that's what you mean. It means all knotted together, okay? They get knotted up in their viewpoints.

They get knotted up in arguing about their viewpoints. TZAM TSING means, like a tumbleweed is TZAM TSING. Okay, TZAM TSING ZEG, though, it's not like burnwood.

Oh yeah, they do, they get consumed in a tangle of bad viewpoints, okay? Okay, wow. Okay, let's read this one.

Yeah, PAPA NGEE GEE JESUS LUNG WEY YANG DAG RIG PA'I LAM DERN BA. Yeah, you can do that. Yeah, kind of like the realized beings themselves, the aryas themselves, what following scripture, yeah.

YANG PAPA NGEE GEE JESUS LUNG WEY Well, I would read that they are taken by the hand and guided by the arya, okay? You see what I mean? JESUS LUNG BA means to...

Okay, oh. It also means to lead somebody, to take someone after you, literally. Okay, to take someone after you.

So the PAPAs come and take them by the hand, and they show them... The path of reasoning or the path of logic, the teacher's path of logic. Careful with the spelling of RIG.

Oh. Oh. Oh, the path of the family or the intelligence, I don't understand.

Yeah, they show them the path of pure knowledge, okay? They take them by the hand and show them the path of pure knowledge. Keep going, the same two guys.

Oh, stupid question. I mean, I should know this by now, but even though they're related, RIG without the SA is knowledge in a more general sense, or state of mind in a more general sense. And RIG with the SA is more specifically logic.

Yeah, exactly. RIG is a mental function, or the general SHEPA. RIG PA and SHEPA are the same.

And RIGS with an S means family, or proper, or logic. Yes. Okay.

I'm sorry? What's SHUNG LUK? Oh, SHUNG LUK, the big...

What is it? The main path?

[Speaker 3]
Like the main books?

[Speaker 1]
System of this text, right? Yeah, the system of the scriptures. They are like a YIN ZHES.

YIN MO ZHES, that thing which creates YIN MO. Day maker? Day maker, yeah.

Yes, day maker. So, our scriptural tradition is like a sun. It imparts to you YIN DEN RGYA.

100 good qualities? Yeah, that sun has a hundred good qualities. And it helps you PONG LONG NGAN.

To remove stupid ideas, or lack of intelligence, or stupidity. And it's just like JIG MED sitting here. Yes, and removes fear.

Yeah. Please read. And that...

That's the way it is, admittedly. I admit that, yeah. But he disjuncted, I guess.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
LOMIC, the eye of intelligence. What is it? Opens wide like a lotus?

Yeah, when you open someone's eyes, sometimes it's compared to the sunlight hitting a lotus bud and causing it to open. You see what I mean? Okay.

If you guys have pure eyes, if your minds are sharp, then my book is going to open your eyes in the same way that the sunlight opens a lotus flower. It's kind of beautiful, okay? And then that's the end of the book.

Yeah. That's the final lines of the Pramanavarta chapter. According to Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk, they were added later.

Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk is a student. But Chen Rinpoche here, in this case. Yeah, it's kind of weird.

By the way, this is the... Geshe Wangchuk would know the oral traditions in the monastery. And there are stories that are told from generation to generation and never written down in the monastery.

So we're lucky to have his commentary because we'll start hearing these things. All right, keep going, handsome. And in this case, we're in Bhutan now, right?

Oh yeah, I'm sorry, you're right. So Bhutan would even know them better. Mr. Haggerty...

Haggerty lost some weight, you look good. Haggerty is going to correct you, so try to make some mistakes for him, okay? Okay.

Okay. So De Loma means Dharmakirti's student, or it could mean the student of Devendra Buddhi, okay? He's trying to talk about a lineage now.

So his student, I would say it's probably Devendra Buddhi, was Shakya Lo. And he did a Del She. A Del She, an explanation commentary?

Yeah, he made another commentary. Shakya Buddhipram is his name. And then he had a Loma.

He had a student as well. Whose name was Urkilo, which is something like, what is it? What's Ur?

Kshapa? Yeah, that's another one. Anyway, Prakasha maybe, I don't know.

Anyway, it's something Mati. And the Sero is people say, okay? It means he's not sure if it's correct.

It is said that he had a student named Urkilo. And it is also said by some people that Dhammari, which is the original Sanskrit for Dhammari, was the Ngulok of Chudrak. The Ngulok, the direct disciple of Dharmakirti.

Yeah, good. Now it gets into... I got screwed up here, and it took me a long time to get unscrewed.

Apparently there's a master named Geng Kyi Bu, which means hanging with jewels or hanging with jewelry. Jewelry hanging off him. But that's his personal name.

And it's misspelled here, which made it a lot of fun. Because I've never seen the word in my life correctly, which is correctly spelled, and they misspelled it. So it took a while.

So he received a lung. Okay. He received an oral transmission.

His student was Dulwa Fah, Veneta Deva, right? And his student was Chod Chok, Dharmottara. Serte, people say that, okay?

And Chod Chok Ni, and Dharmottara, according to the Dukkha, thanks a lot, all right? Yes, correct. According to the commentary, was a student of both Chunjung Jin Akaradatta or something, and Gesun, which I don't know what that would be.

Punya... Rakshita or Punyapala, something like that, yeah. Okay.

So he's just... Probably he's reporting information from old... What do you call it?

The stuff at the end of the book. Colophons? Colophons, yeah.

He's just repeating stuff from old colophons, which can be really a hopeless thing. By the way, I found Genki Po elsewhere, okay? Yes.

Somebody bows down to him in a list of pramana teachers, okay? So... That's nice.

It is a personal name. Okay, one more line. You're overwhelming, Hagerty.

Sounds incorrect, but... You're right, you're right, you're right. That's great.

So, Dzamini wrote a commentary to The Ornament, which is another commentary. Anita Deva and... I forget what stage they go, but you can look it up.

They looked up... They wrote commentaries to all seven books on pramana by Dharmakirti, okay?

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Dhako, it is said. It is said. By the way, the biography of...

Is this Bhutan? Yes, apparently. That's what you told me at the start of today.

That's the end of his biography, okay? Okay. And so, that's a wrap.

Cool. If we want, we can go on to the other biography by... Inside the Lam Rim Masters, okay?

Which has some interesting stuff. It's useful. Okay, all right.

So, I'm going to skip now to the actual text. Okay. We're actually a little bit ahead of schedule today.

Super. And we're in the middle of another biography of Dharmakirti inside the book you're translating by Yeshe Wangchuk. We had gone outside to another history book to get a biography.

We finished it, and now we're coming back to the other biography by the author. Okay, so please read. And Hasso's sitting here, ready to contradict you.

You want to come up here and sit next to me? I got this handsome Mixed Nuts Reading Club guy. Awesome.

He's the best. Can you see him? Yeah, okay, here we go.

All right. Kramer's going to purposely make mistakes. He's reading so slow that I can't even find the mistake.

Okay, again, please. Again. Nice.

Okay. I think they're talking about Dharmakirti. Yeah, they're still talking about Master Dharmakirti.

So this great being, this master, he had the idea, gong, that he could drupa all his goodness. He could achieve all of his goals. Yeah, all his desired goals.

If he did a drupa to the Yidamkula. If he made offerings, praises of his personal, his close angel. Yeah, jinchak means over and over, like every day.

Okay, jinchak means on a regular basis, say. So he did. With the intention of wanting to achieve all his needs and his goals, Dharmakirti practiced tantra.

Which is pretty awesome. You know, he's like a quote, lower school. And he wanted to succeed in his teaching.

So he took on a personal angel. Okay. And he even wrote a drupa.

Yeah, sadhana for reaching Chakrasamvara. Yeah, he wrote a sadhana for reaching Chakrasamvara. What's the 51st chapter of Chakrasamvara?

[Speaker 3]
Prajagini.

[Speaker 1]
Prajagini, yeah. So he was writing sadhanas. So he was heavily involved in tantra.

But, je rung means... Yeah, it didn't make it into Tibetan. Yeah, even though it's the case that he composed them, phuket magyur.

What's the gyur here? It wasn't translated into Tibetan. Yeah, it was never translated into Tibetan.

I'm sure Aisha can find it 2,000 years later. Or sorry, 1,500 years later. It's only 1,500 years, okay.

Geshe-la, just a, I don't know, a confusing or interesting point or something. I don't know if you have any comment on it, right? But he, Master Dharmakirti is classically considered the Hinayana master in the sense that he is the master of the Sutra school, which is classically Hinayana.

And of course, any practice like this is necessarily associated with Mahayana. Vajrayana is a subset of Mahayana. So how do we reconcile that this master clearly had Mahayana practices?

I would, you tell me what's probably the case. He, well, I don't know. I mean, I know that we like to say things like he is teaching from this perspective to help us, and that that is not his personal perspective per se.

I would say that, but also I would say if you really understand Adam's text as it's being taught in December, in the advanced level of DCI, you would say that understanding Dharmakirti is extremely helpful to Tantric practice. I want to say, when Je Tsongkapa bows to lineage lamas in the mind-only and middle way lineages in Chandler Chen Yunpo, that he, I think he mentions Dharmakirti on the mind-only side, but I'm not aware if there are like explicit mind-only texts by Dharmakirti. I don't, I don't know.

I don't, I don't think there's any in the mind-only section in the Tengyur, for example. But, but I could be wrong. I might be wrong.

There's, I'll tell you one thing. We're gonna see in upcoming, in Sugeng's text, we're about to hit a huge section where Vasubandhu says, hey, would you guys like to go over this again from a mind-only point of view? From my brother's book, using my brother's book.

He says, you guys want to go over this, you want to go through this same section again, but from a mind-only viewpoint? And he does.

[Speaker 3]
And it's really lost.

[Speaker 1]
And so who is Vasubandhu's best student who surpassed him in the study of logic? Oh, this, this is him. This is the guy.

Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's this, it's, I'm sorry, Master Dignaga. Yeah, and he's a direct, you know, Dharmakirti is his direct, some people say direct disciple, some say second disciple.

One removed, maybe, yeah. Yeah, so wouldn't it make sense that if Vasubandhu was a closet mind-only guy, that his student was a closet mind-only guy, that his student was a closet mind-only guy. This is, that's me.

All right, now we have some poetry. Hasa's going to continue babysitting you, and you can also try to mess him up. Yeah.

Gao Shi Da. Now I have a question for Seiji. So, who is Maitreya Yajna, Maitreya Yajna?

The merchant, the son of the merchant, right? Yeah, the son of the merchant, yeah. There's Maitreya, he's expressing his...

It's Maitreya, Maitreya. That's who Maitreya was named after. And this is a reference to that kind of event.

This verse is a reference to one of those trips. So, JI LTAR GNOR DU. If you DGOS PA GNOR...

If you want jewels. Riches. You better tend on a DGOS PA'I SKYE PA.

You're going to have to rely on a master sailor. And you're going to guess that Geshe-la is going to correct this to... Oh, BSTAN.

Okay, there you go. I wasn't going to guess. Should have been BSTAN.

If you want to go get jewels at the Island of Jewels, you're going to have to go find yourself a master ship captain. Then you're going to have to shook into a dusing. Hop up on a ship.

And SKYE here means draw. To arrange a set sail for the land of milk and honey. Travel to the Island of Jewels.

Yes, okay. And then you will get a GNOR DU. Yeah, a jewel, an invaluable jewel.

Yeah, beyond all price. And it will... It will bring you all that you need or desire.

Which mimics the verbiage we had above referring to why he made offerings to his close angel. Yeah. In other words, it's a real CHIN TU MA NI.

A wish-forgiving jewel. Okay. If you NGES PA that kind of GNOR DU.

Well, if you find it. Yeah, and then you LOP PA to your own RANG YUL. Then you go back home.

Yeah, you are sitting there, gah. Just happy as could be. Yeah, you're sitting there fat and happy.

Now, that's all going to be compared to something else now. Uh-oh, okay. Metaphor.

And now we'll see, okay. Please read this and haso still going to haso you. DE DON MA YID GUL DE NYING DU BYANG RTAG GU SBYOR BA'I CHEN THUB RA LA GZHIG PA RGYUD BZHIN DU GZHIG PHYIR GSOGS DGOS BSTUN NGOS GRUL BU RIM CHEN MTHONG CHOG DU RNAM RGYOD THOG ME NYONG Thank you.

RGYUD MYONG CHOD THOG ME NYOR NYE CI MI RGAG Yeah, good. DE DON MA YID GUL GUL means if you have been... Uh, what do you call that?

exhorted by your mother back at home, who has great faith and aspiration in you and in what you guys could be, and she pushes you, and you need to jump. If you keep that vision in your mind, that your mother sent you off to do this thing, which, by the way, if it's a reference to Maitri Yajna, it's not the opposite. Yeah, she didn't want him to go.

It seems here that she is pushing you to go, come on, go out and make your, what do you call it, go out and make your name in the world. Make your fortune, find your fortune. Go get on a ship and go to Sri Lanka, bring us back some jewels.

Your mom is like, come on, you can do it. BDAG DGOS, like Nour and Maitri. BDAG DGOS, Joy, Nip and the birthday girl.

BDAG DGOS, Joy. Get on that horse and ride hard. Yeah, good.

And endlessly. Yeah, with respect for your mother's wishes. BDAG DGOS.

Yes, BDAG DGOS. And then you will be able to travel to the DRONG KHYER. Yeah, the city of riches.

Yeah, which is where you can pick up all your CHOG KYI NGOS GRUB and THUB MONG GI NGOS GRUB. Oh, your ordinary and extraordinary achievements. Good.

And if you're a NAM CHOD THOG MED, if you're a person of THOG MED NAM CHOD, of unstoppable discernment. I looked at this ahead and honestly, it's so... I couldn't find a good English, but it's so pretty, right?

Because the word discernment or discrimination or viveka seems like it refers to cutting. And then unstoppable sounds like a blade, but I don't know how to say that in English, how to tie those together. I think it's a good problem that you have, because it's very unusual Tibetan also.

It's meant to be unusual. It's meant to be strange. It's like some band name that you have to think about to fix Simba funk.

Okay, NAM CHOD THOG MED. NGON YI PHYI BA'I MI DGA'A Yeah, I mean, having found that, meaning having found that unstoppable wisdom, the unstoppable viveka, then why not be happy or something? CI MI DGA'A?

If you're a person of unstoppable discrimination and you were able to find a jewel, a jewel of knowledge, why wouldn't you be happy? Again, we're over time, a couple minutes. Okay, thank you.

But it's a beautiful verse. I believe it's a reference back to the story of Maitreya. But there are many stories of people who went to Sri Lanka to get rich.

It was like the gold rush of those days. Why wouldn't he be happy indeed? I mean, I don't understand.

It's being... If you went to the Jewel Island and came back with a bunch of really precious jewels, you'd be happy. But if your mother sent you to pick up enlightenment from the Isle of Wishes and you came back with it, if you came back with the highest and common attainments, wouldn't you even be more happy?

It's like that. If normal people get happy bringing back a jewel from Sri Lanka and you went out into the world and brought back enlightenment, why wouldn't you be happy? Okay, jee, Mika.

Okay. But is there some implication that there's someone who wouldn't be happy? I mean, why Mika, jee, Mika?

It's a... What do you call it? It's like a sarcastic statement.

Who wouldn't be happy to get champagne if they wanted some beer? Okay. All right, cool.

Great. All right, stop here. That's not a good example, is it?

No, it sounds terrible. All right, well, I'm personally happy to be back in the saddle with Kramer and you guys. Me too.

Thank you, boss. Delighted. Yeah.

Let's take a break. Uncle Nick, how much time we got? I think five minutes, six minutes.

Yeah. We went a little over, so we're going to have to just take a short break. All right, we'll see you back here at what time, Nick?

Let's do 25, sorry, 35, 635. Okay, see you guys later. Thank you, Geshe-la.

Hey, I love you. See you soon. Thank you.