Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 13

[Speaker 1]
Everybody who's here and those of you here for the first time, welcome to the Diamond Cutter Classics Translation Program. We are the Mixed Nuts and we are the Diamond Cutter Classics Translation Team and we are the same people. So don't get confused between the two.

And we just want to welcome you here. I think most of you who are here now were here this morning. So just a quick recap, what we're doing here is going through word by word and idea by idea through these incredibly powerful and profound texts that span a range from 2,500 years old to about 500 years old.

And they're amazing. And we're really lucky to have Geshe Michael here to teach it to us. And he's been doing this for 50 years or something and 50,000 years.

And we're really grateful for that. And we're grateful to get to be a part of it. So please, you know, do your best to listen.

Don't stress if you don't understand. And I don't understand or stress about it anymore. And, you know, enjoy.

Just try to just try to enjoy and it'll settle in. Even us thick headed nuts are starting to crack a little bit at a time. The coconuts are maybe slightly less dry than they were five years ago.

So enjoy. Have fun. Hi, everybody.

Cool. All right. Yeah, I would just repeat what Nick said that if you weren't here this morning, just, you know, welcome.

And I personally think just from my own experience, just to read these books to to spend some time every day with them. It's just, I, you know, I don't know how to describe it. But my whole life is like an extraordinary dream or something.

And I, I feel this big hunger to share it with people. But, you know, it's a kind of, it's an acquired taste, right, Nick? It's like some kind of caviar or something.

You know, the first few times you taste it, it's pretty bad. But later, you see, it's the most, it's the most amazing thing. And I don't know how to say more than that.

I would just say what I said this morning. And don't, I mean, I know it's very difficult to, to really believe it. But if something's uncomfortable to understand, if something's difficult to understand, hey, Ben, I was thinking one of two possibilities.

Like, it's hard to understand your partner sometimes, right? But that's because they're not logical. But if the book is logical, and if the book is amazing, then, and you don't understand it, it means your mind hasn't, hasn't caught up yet.

And I just say from my own life, if you avoid difficult situations, if you avoid things that are hard to understand, just will stay where you are. You'll never grow. You'll never change.

And I have to say, like the first night in the debate ground, the first night I ever went to the debate ground, I had no idea of a single sentence. I didn't know what anyone was saying. A single sentence I didn't understand.

And, and I just kept going like a hard-headed, like Ben Kramer, you know, I just kept doing it. And finally, it, the whole thing opened up. And so I really, really encourage you, you know, be brave, be strong, be stubborn, keep coming back, and keep trying to learn it.

And I think some, I felt this morning, when the trans surprised how good they were getting, I was surprised. So, just, just hang in there, okay? And your mind will expand and, and your life will get more and more amazing, extraordinary life.

And that's the whole idea, right? All right, who is that? Yeah, I just, I'll make one quick announcement.

If you're not talking, just mute your mic, because the background noise can be a little distracting. And unless you're under five years old, you're allowed. Who is that?

I think that's Ezra. No, no, no.

[Speaker 2]
And I can't, I can't pronounce it. Tim, give me power, if you would. Also, Tim, I know I'm, I'm going to do a class, but, but sometimes I see it.

[Speaker 3]
Francisco.

[Speaker 2]
We got it. As a team, we can all do it.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, and for those of you who are just showing up this afternoon, we're going to do Zoom yoga again. John Brady is teaching tomorrow morning at 8.15am, so get ready for an awesome class with probably some kind of awesome playlist. Hey, Kitty, how you doing?

Hey, Kitty. I got the music, Kitty. Okay.

[Speaker 3]
That's why he can't talk. Mouth full.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, that's a good place to be. All right, Mr. Kramer. Oh, let me make one more note.

No, I'll do it later. Okay, where's Mr. Kramer's text? Is that it?

Yeah. All right. So, this is, I like to give a progress report.

For each of our texts at the beginning of the term. And Ben, do you want to talk about your book and then I'll tell you how long I think you're going to take and stuff like that? Okay.

Just for new people who don't know what you're translating.

[Speaker 2]
We're still working our way into it right now, but we're doing a, we're reading a modern commentary in Tibetan language by a master who passed in our lifetimes. He's writing a word by word commentary of the main book, the sort of the most famous book in the history of Buddhist logic, which is the Commentary on Accurate Perception, which is, looks like around 700 AD. That was written in Sanskrit originally.

And it's a book about, if you say you're excited about achieving wonderful things, and you get excited about hearing that it's possible maybe to experience a world filled with bliss and delight, and to have all people that you love experience a world like that too, then is that really possible? And what would it look like? And who can we rely on to show us the way?

Then you have to know how to think clearly, and you have to know how to ask intelligently, are these things real? And can I achieve these states? And who can I look to?

Who can I trust to show me the way to become like them? And we're going right now, we're going through biographies of the masters of this lineage. And we talked about Master Dignaga over the last two terms, and then his spiritual son, Master Dharmakirti, I believe we're going to pick up with post haste momentarily, which is very exciting.

And I don't know that anyone's done it. I looked on the internets, and I think everyone's been scared to tackle these books. And there's no one who's written these books in a way that ordinary turkeys like me could read.

And so I'm going to try not to write anything down that I don't understand at least the words of. And so I figure if these words can filter through this limited mind, then maybe they'll be legible to people who are also only of my level. And then there's hope for people like me that there wasn't the day before.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, cool. Thank you. That's an eloquent beginning.

Good. So we're going to have two Ben's classes. We'll continue with a traditional biography.

Good. We'll continue with a traditional biography of the author of Ben's text and his teacher. And it's hard to find good stories about these great masters of the past.

And I enjoy reading their books a lot more if I know a little bit about their life story. So because it's so long ago, it's almost 1,500 years ago, it's difficult to find information about them, but we're working as hard as we can. Optimistically, we could get through Ben's book in eight years.

I suggest we split the first chapter into three books. The first chapter is probably the most important and most famous chapter, as usual. And the books would be about 450 or 500 pages each.

And I think if we work hard, we could finish the classes for his book in 2024. Finishing the classes and printing the book is a different thing, as we know. And I'm going to talk about that more later.

Let's see here. We did locate a biography of the author who, again, passed away in 1990, I think, Ben. And it's too long to translate for the book.

It would be 500 pages by itself. But I'm hoping we can just kind of read through it quickly and take out the main points. Yeah, what else we got here?

That's about it. Yeah, there's the... Yeah, that's all.

Okay, good. So we're in the biography. Which one is this?

Who wrote this one, Ben?

[Speaker 2]
Bhutan Rinpoche.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Bhutan Rinpoche, who lived just before Tsongkhapa. Tsongkhapa used to say one of his greatest regrets was that he just missed Bhutan Rinpoche. And Bhutan Rinpoche put together, basically, the Kangyur and Tengyur, the 4,600 books from ancient India.

He helped save them. And if it hadn't been for him, we wouldn't have anything. And it was all destroyed in India, pretty much.

So here's his biography of Dignaga, which is Dharmakirti's teacher. And then we are just reaching the beginning, as Ben said, of Dharmakirti's biography. Hang on.

Let's go down here. Okay. So Ben finished the translation, right?

That was your homework, I think. Okay, good. And let's go through it.

Do you want to read it anyway, the Tibetan? Oh, hang on. You're going to give me a big curse.

You can curse big later. Let's see. I don't think it's going to work.

Okay, forget that. I'm doing a backup and it's not going to work. Okay, go ahead.

Okay, let's look at Ben's translation here. Let me try one more time on the cursor thing.

[Speaker 2]
Your backup will keep going, even if you're not looking at that. If you press the bunch of little dots on that screen. Yeah, bunch of little dots.

Wait, you still need that.

[Speaker 1]
I do? Hang on. You do.

Okay. Oh, I see.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. And then?

[Speaker 2]
Come back to us.

[Speaker 1]
Bunch of little dots. Let's forget it. Sorry.

Okay. Yeah, Dan just meets his student. And I guess you're correct that it was Ishvara Sena.

And he had a student named Dharmakirti. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
We mentioned this guy in Sudhanta, boss. Or maybe. I mean, it could have been some other teacher named Kumarila or the young guy.

Apparently, he had a... Yeah, there was something about... Yeah, something about a taker of young women.

I don't know what that means exactly. But there's some Buddhist epithet for him that's unfavorable, which I think is Kumarila.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. I have a question. I mean, you know, the first time I read this sentence, gyagar lochok gyawang tsuki norbu she jawa, it sounds like a place name to me.

And maybe it doesn't make sense. But maybe you can find out if there was such a place, or you could look it up in the database. It could mean he was born as the jewel of all Buddhas.

But that would be a little too much. It almost sounds like a place name for me. Sure.

He was born into the Brahmin caste. Good. And I just wanted to alert you guys to chung mu.

The common spelling is chung mu. Chung du is possible, but unlikely. And I thought you might enjoy seeing it in the carving.

So, this is, in both cases, it looks like chung du. But that's just a common way to carve it wrong. Okay.

So, chung mu means, usually it means when he was a little guy. Okay. When he was young.

chung mu la means, when he was a young man. ja lekpa jong, yeah, he studied Sanskrit very well. shanpo mudde gyi, yeah, his uncle, yeah, his uncle, mudde gyi tumpa shunma nen.

[Speaker 2]
Is it worth calling him, is it? I just, you know, it seems like a place name to me. It seems like there's a different word for mother's brother and father's brother.

So, I could have just said uncle, and I didn't know if it was worth being specific, even though it's a little unusual in the English.

[Speaker 1]
I don't think it's worth it. I don't think it has any big significance. I would just say, yeah, in Tibetan they distinguish between maternal and paternal uncles and aunts, and I don't think it's that.

I don't think here there's any importance to it for us. chung mu mudde gyi tumpa shunma nen, yeah, it does mean taker of the young lady, okay, and I don't know why, but you looked it up and found Kumarila?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, and also we covered a famous teacher in the non-Buddhist schools in Siddhanta by this same name. So, you know, may or may not be the same guy, of course.

[Speaker 1]
Good, hang on. Whoops, that's not a sentence.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry, boss.

[Speaker 1]
I'm confused myself. Hang on. chung mu mudde gyi tumpa shunma nen la, mudde gyi trang tsang rak tu chungway che nangpay.

I think it means he got ordained in the Hindu tradition, you see? He took on the, che means, yeah, it does mean the dress. He took on the dress of see, I think rak tu chung means he got ordained from his uncle, you see?

Okay. In, as a non-Buddhist.

[Speaker 2]
But then does his uncle then call him evil?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he does, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
That's why I thought that he, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I don't know it's possible. shunma nen la, mudde gyi trang tsang rak tu chungway che. Yeah, no, it seems like he took on the ordination of a Brahmin, and then something happened between him and his uncle.

I think so, you know? Okay. Because, yeah, just the syntax here.

La means at his feet, you see what I mean? He took on rak tu chungwa. Che means the dress or appearance of a tramsay rak tu chungwa, you see what I mean?

Okay. But then something happened, they had a falling out, yeah. And maybe we could check another biography and confirm it, okay?

Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Go ahead. And who's going to check you? Mr. Nick, are you up for it?

[Speaker 2]
I'm ready. ching kye par lopon wang chuk de la, tse ma kun le, tse ma kun le, kun le tut on tsum du nyam par dam chay ne nyam te.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, cool. This is a little bit unusual to have two instrumentals piled up like this, but it's okay, I mean, it's legal, it's possible. Anyway, he had a gongpa, the lopon.

True thought. Yeah, he thought to himself, or he got an idea, okay? Who's the lopon here?

[Speaker 2]
I assume we're talking about Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you're correct, yeah. So Dharmakirti got it into his head that he would like to pamba all the mutekpas. Yeah, he'd like to beat them, like in a debate or something, okay?

So, you know, I think he got ordained as a Hindu priest, then his uncle got mad at him and kicked him out, and then he said, I'll get back, I'll get all those guys back, and thinking that to himself, nyam, okay, then he rubbed a chung in the nangpay tenpa.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, sure enough, yeah. Okay, yeah, well then he took ordination in the way of the insiders, the Buddhists.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, then he took a Buddhist ordination, and he jang jang jang.

[Speaker 2]
He worked real hard at it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. And especially, he studied with Lopon Wongchukte.

[Speaker 2]
Ishvara Sena.

[Speaker 1]
Good. And what did he study? He studied Tsema Kuntu.

[Speaker 2]
The Sutra on Accurate Perception.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good, yeah, the compendium. Hi, come here. Hiya, who was that?

[Speaker 2]
We got it.

[Speaker 1]
Sounded like Katie. He studied the, yeah, who taught that one?

[Speaker 2]
Master Dignaga.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he studied Dignaga, but not with Dignaga, he studied it with this other master.

[Speaker 2]
He was Dignaga's direct disciple, three times.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, tsar here means three times. Yeah, tsar usually means to finish something. Tsar song means it's finished.

But nyen bar dam chen ne, he swore that he would learn the whole text three times through from Ishvara Sena, and then he nyen.

[Speaker 2]
And he, what, he thought about it?

[Speaker 1]
He did, he did do it.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, nyen, nyen means to have done.

[Speaker 1]
Listen, meaning learn. Okay, okay, he did listen that many times through. Yeah, okay.

All right, you're gonna read again. And Sugeng, let's go, Master Sugeng. Criticize it for anything.

You can cry or anything. Go is door, ko means understand. Wow, this is getting weird.

Okay, dangpo means tsar dangpo.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, and the first time around through the teachings.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the first time through the book. He ko, he ko at the book.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he understood it?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, as good as Wangchuk De. Oh, just as well as Master Ishvara Sena did. Yeah, the first time through, he understood the book as well as...

Well, this means really the contents, okay, as well as Ishvara Sena. Well, what's going to happen on the second time through? Oh, then he understood it as well as Chödrung.

[Speaker 2]
As Master Dignaga.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, okay. So, you know, Dharmakirti understood it better than Dignaga's student on the second time through, as well as Dignaga. I don't know what's going to happen on the third time through.

Then he understood, he talked, that the Döpa of Wangchuk De was Norwa.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he understood that the... Oh, Norwa, that there was a problem with the understanding that his teacher had.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he understood that his teacher didn't quite catch it, all the meanings correctly, okay. And Sungur Hsu, he told his teacher, yeah, he told his teacher, you know, I think you got a few points wrong there. Then, Chödrung la loma nga tabu ne me.

Master, and I believe his teacher said back to him, Chödrung la loma nga tabu ne me. This lay is comparative, okay. That should give you enough information.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, it's not... Yeah, Chödrung, so his... Oh, I don't know, it's not, I don't know, I'm not sure, it's not like my teacher?

As far as I'm not saying it's not like his teacher?

[Speaker 1]
Dignaga never had a loma nga tabu. Dignaga never had a loma, oh, like me. Yeah, Dignaga never had a student like me.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, right.

[Speaker 1]
Who's saying that? Ishvara Sena. Yeah, is he?

Yeah, he is. Ishvara Sena tells Dharmakirti, you know, I was Dignaga's number one student, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, oh, I see.

[Speaker 1]
And, and I never had one kye tabu.

[Speaker 2]
One, like difference in understanding?

[Speaker 1]
Kye rang, kye rang tabu.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, okay. Oh, and another one, kye rang, you, like? Yeah, and I never had a student better than you.

Oh, that's nice, okay.

[Speaker 1]
My teacher had never, never had a better student than me, and I never had a better student than you, okay. LAS MA CHUNG TSAR RE LAS CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA LA NYID SONG ZHES PA YIN. I'm missing, TSAR RE LAS CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA LA NYID SONG ZHES PA YIN.

TSAR RE LAS CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA LA. Every time I, every, every way... I guess what he means is every time he taught it, any subject that he didn't cover, okay, CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA LA NYID SONG, he went over it again.

So there was stuff in each repetition of the teaching that he added more information, okay. TSAR RE LAS means from each round of the three rounds. CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA, things that he had not explained, okay.

NYID SONG ZHES PA YIN, he went over them again each time he went through. He increased the information each time he went through. Okay.

All right. Venerable Upala.

[Speaker 2]
Let's edit. CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA LA NYID SONG CHES PA'I TSUL MED PA LA NYID SONG NYID SONG ZHES CES GYES SU NGANG NGO Okay, nice.

[Speaker 1]
I haven't read this for a couple weeks. They say NA DE'I GCIG PO CHE PAS If I just explain this myself, Okay, if I just explain this as well. CIG BU BYED PA'I MI PHAN MI PHAN.

[Speaker 2]
You wouldn't get it?

[Speaker 1]
It doesn't help anybody. I think what it means here is that if you, Dharmakirti, don't add your explanations to my explanations, it's not going to be helpful for people. So, this is a strange sentence where the teacher says to the student, if you could add your insights to what I've been writing, that would really be helpful.

I believe that's what he's saying. NGA'ADI'I CIG BU BYED means if I explain Dignaga's text just myself, MI PHAN, it won't help as much as it could. PANDITTE BYA BA GZHAN YANG BYA RGOS PA'I We need someone...

What's the true thought? Say again? Oh.

PANDITTA BYA BA GZHAN YANG BYA RGOS PA'I Somebody's going to have to do some more Pandit work. GZHAN YANG BYA RGOS PA'I GZHAN YANG BYA RGOS PA'I Therefore, RE NUM LTA RGON GYIS ZHIG RE means cloth. RE NUM means the oil on the cloth.

And it means here, prepare the wicks. LTA RGON means... LTA RGON, do you guys know in an initiation, what's a LTA RGON?

In a Diamond Way initiation, when the teacher goes into the initiation room and gives them self-initiation to prepare for the students, it's called LTA RGON. So... RE NUM LTA RGON GYIS ZHIG is imperative.

This is not instrumental. Trim the wicks. Trim the wicks and we'll go at it tonight.

Get the butter lamps ready. Light up the room. NU MO BYED DO We'll go deeper tonight.

SUNG NAS, he said. DE LTAR BYED PAS He's being literal, right?

[Speaker 2]
This is not metaphorical. He's saying literally light the...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, get everything ready. We can go deeper tonight. DE LTAR BYED PAS BYED BU RGYU'I KHYAD PAR GYI CHES SU BYED PA LA LHAG PA RTOG PA'I LHAG PA RTOG PA'I means...

I believe it refers to Dharmakirti had special RTOG PA. He had special insights into how the BYED BU follows the RGYU'I KHYAD PAR.

[Speaker 2]
How the result follows special causes?

[Speaker 1]
Specific cause, maybe? This KHYAD PA means particulars, the particulars. He had special insights that night about how special qualities of the cause would impact on the result.

The result follows upon features of the result. The result follows upon features of the result. He saw how different characteristics of the cause would affect the result.

LHAG PA RTOG SHIN TU GNYIS NI Then he tried to explain to his own master, he tried to explain to Ishvara Sena these insights he was having. Ishvara Sena, SHIN TU GNYIS He didn't get it.

[Speaker 2]
No, SHIN TU GNYIS Oh boy, boy did he get it.

[Speaker 1]
No, this doesn't mean nge, it's nge. Nge means he was very pleased. Extremely pleased.

So ngepa means he was very happy to hear Dharmakirti's insights. And then he made a strange request. He says nge drup ta norwa.

Just what's that part mean? nge drup ta norwa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, like you've heard my system.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, my positions are norwa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, my system is wrong.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. nam chok ngar gyi la gun la drelpa. Okay, so chok ngar gyi means you should write a book in which first kyur kyi means you should, dar kyu means well now you should write a book.

And in the opening of the book, chok ngar, in the front side of the book, gyi is imperative. I want you to detail all of my mistakes in my thinking. So his teacher Ishvara Sena is telling Dharmakirti, I want you to write a book and the first thing in the book I want you to clarify all the mistakes I've been making in my thinking.

Okay? And then after that I want a new drelpa to kunle dupa.

[Speaker 2]
And I want a new commentary to the compendium. Yeah, tsom shik. Tsom, you gotta do it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you gotta write it. You gotta write it. And here's the, you know, here's the thing that makes it all proper.

Je Tsong Nang, Je Tsong Nang, he gave his blessing to the project. So he has not contradicted his teacher. You see what I mean?

His teacher, this is the Je Tsong Nang that you see in a Diamond Way pre-initiation, right? So it means permission. So he gave his blessing.

So he said, wow, you've got some good ideas here. I think you should write a new commentary to Dignaga. And you can clarify the mistakes in my thinking and then you can clarify more about Dignaga.

Okay? And he blessed the project. Yay.

Okay. We got there. Hey, Word, can you critique Mr. Ben's pronunciation?

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
,DE LA'ANG DIN DRAG, ,'KHRID DRIG, ,'KHUR BYED PA'I, Nice.

[Speaker 1]
I'm starting to wonder if I ever read this. Okay. This is getting weirder.

,DE NAS BLO SPIN GYI BYANG CHEN GYI GRUB TE, ,SAM TSIG RNAM STOG PA'I BRTEN DU, Okay. The BLO SPIN, which means who?

[Speaker 2]
Master Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he wanted to learn the Sangway Tzig.

[Speaker 2]
Sangway Tzig, the secret word?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the secret words of the Drupada of the Drangchenpas.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, wow. Of the system of...

[Speaker 1]
Wow, the secret system of the Sankhyas? No, that would be Sangway Drupada. So he wanted to learn the secret words, maybe the mantras of the Sankhya system, okay?

Wow, okay, weird. And in order to Togpa them...

[Speaker 2]
Uh-huh, in order to understand them.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in order to get an understanding of them, he Tzu'd that he would be a Dren.

[Speaker 2]
No, I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
Lied. Yeah, he faked it, that he would be the Dren. Dren means yokpo.

A servant? Yeah, he went and got hired as a servant, and he was faking it as a servant. He said, I need a job.

And he went to a master's house and he said, I need a job as a servant, okay? In fact, the master was his shangbo. The master was shangbo, his uncle.

Oh, no. All right, so he went to his uncle's house and he said, I need a job. And they said, you can be a servant.

And he said, great, you know, because he wanted to spy on his uncle, okay? Then he became the yokpo of the chungma of the shangbo.

[Speaker 2]
He was the servant of the chungma, the little sister, the daughter? The wife.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, chungma is the Tibetan word for wife, the little lady. He became the servant of his uncle's wife, right? And he guwa her.

[Speaker 2]
Maybe he served her.

[Speaker 1]
Guwa means to please. It's similar as nirpa, okay? And then he said, I have to guwa.

I have to ask some questions about the dupe ne.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, about the system, the crucial points of this system?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, good. The school? I need to know some, I need some information about the crucial points of this system, of the Sankhya system, okay?

Okay. Keep reading. Now it gets really weird.

Let's see, Alex Rivas, you want to work, see if Ben makes any interesting mistakes? Okay, this gets weird. Okay, I must not have read this, because it's very entertaining.

All right, dupa chupa means, do you know what it means?

[Speaker 2]
No, I don't.

[Speaker 1]
It means, while we're having sex, the wife with her husband, the master, his uncle, okay? While I'm having sex with your uncle, chi, I will ask the questions that you want me to ask, while I'm having sex with your uncle, okay? And whatever he says, you better sung it in your yi.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, you better hold it in your mind?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, like, memorize everything he says while he says it, okay? Got it?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And then, on the kangpa of the mo, Oh, on the, I don't know, on her leg? Yeah, on the leg of the lady, he tak a takpa.

[Speaker 2]
He tied a rope.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he tied a rope on her leg, okay? By the way, here's the past tense of the verb dok, which is used extensively in what system to refer to what? Dok cheki, dok, dok.

Sutra system, when you're talking about flipping, in debate, no?

[Speaker 3]
No, in the middle way, when you're talking about imputing on something.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in the middle way, when you're talking about laying a picture over the parts, and the picture coming out of a karmic seed, here's the real meaning, attach. Attach that word, attach, okay? So, he attached, here's a nice use of that verb, for tying a rope around his auntie's leg.

Then she said, tenpa, do you guys know ten? No. Isn't that making noodles or something?

Well, that's a great idea, where tentuk is a kind of noodles, that you take the dough, and you pull pieces off, and drop them in the hot water, and they're shaped like your thumb. You know, I used to do that for hours. So, you take the dough, you boil water with onion in it, and you pull off pieces, you press your thumb on it, and you, so ten, ten means to pull, ten means to pull, okay?

So, takpa ten, Ben? So, I pull the rope? Yeah, if we reach a part that's too hard, then takpa ten.

Then pull on the rope. Yeah, pull on the rope, and I'll ask more questions.

[Speaker 3]
Wow.

[Speaker 1]
We gotta make a movie of this. Nope. I've met her in the mixed nuts class.

They're already on the internet. Takpa ten, and that way you will reach nekpa shepa.

[Speaker 2]
Then you will reach extraordinary understanding that way.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and then you can druh. Druh means you can run away.

[Speaker 2]
Boy, boy howdy.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, then you can run away from this house, and you can shepa all the drup te ne, ne, ne.

[Speaker 2]
You can come to understand all the critical features of this, of the samkhya system.

[Speaker 1]
Yay, that's a great method. Okay. When you're hiding under the bed, I miss that part.

I don't know, I'm not saying.

[Speaker 2]
And here I am going to class like a sucker.

[Speaker 1]
Fast track. Tim's starting to look like he didn't know what he's getting into, becoming a translator. You just need to get a rub, Tim.

Okay. Okay, Xiaobing, you're reading. You're checking him.

Okay. Good. Then he, jil jak, okay?

Jil jak, a word. Do you know kyab dak? Kyab dak?

Kyab jak? No, kyab dak means to make an advertisement.

[Speaker 2]
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So he made a jil dak. It's the same thing, okay? Jil dak and kyab dak, it's the same thing.

He made an announcement that khyepa yun na sepa che.

[Speaker 2]
Oh. Oh, that he wanted to debate the master?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he said, if there's any guys out there who think you're a great pandita, let's go at sepa che. He made an announcement. And as a result of his announcement, pao che druh to yul she.

[Speaker 2]
Uh, most of them, um. Good. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Here's the same druh we just had up above, what he's supposed to do from the house after he pulls on the rope.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, okay, yeah, most of them ran away from him? Oh, ran away from the place?

[Speaker 1]
Most of them moved to Phoenix or something like that.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Most of them ran away to other places. But a couple of them, sepa che.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, some of them got down and debated.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and he sarchepa. Do you guys know sarche? He wipes them out.

Yeah, it means he chopped them off, okay? He put an end to them. Okay, sarche, sarche.

Yeah, he wiped them out. And then he gupa them in the chökyi lam.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, and then he put them in the path of the dharma, the teachings.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he said, okay, now you guys can start studying Buddhism, okay? The buddhadharma path, okay? And here's a little verse for you, okay?

Don't forget to read pretty much in poetry. Stanley's going to check you. Stanley, you look like a giant in that background.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Yeah, good.

[Speaker 1]
And then people said about chedarjyapa means... Usually, chedarjyapa is a very famous book which means targeted teachings, okay? Usually, it means targeted teachings.

So chedar means for the purpose of uddhanavarga. These are dharma teachings given for specific people for specific needs, okay? But here, it means people talked him up, okay?

People shouted him out, okay? And they said, if the nima of chedarjyapa ever nupas...

[Speaker 2]
If the son of Dharmakirti, the son of Dharmakirti were ever to set.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, of his mawa, of his teachings, okay? If the son of Dharmakirti's teachings was ever to set, and the ched would nilog.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, the dharma would sleep.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the dharma would go to sleep in this world. Or even... Or die.

Or die. The teachings would either take a nap, or maybe they would die, okay? And then the chenmayimbas would long.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, the non-dharmas would flourish.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, meaning that sun would come up, you see what I mean? We're at time, sorry to interrupt. Okay, dade means one more, again, dade means one more time, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
All right, cool? Yeah, cool. Okay, Ben, I'm sorry, but you have to figure out the next verse on your own.

[Speaker 2]
That's fun. Well, I don't have to figure it out, I just have to try, so...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay, what's the date today? Oh, it's the seventh, okay.

Okay, all right, so let me see if that's enough for you. Can you do the next two seconds, so the poetry, and then the lines after that? I certainly can try.

All right, okay, congratulations, Sashimi. Thank you, Sashiboss. This is hot, this is a hot, you got the hottest book so far, I think.

[Speaker 2]
It's nice to be together again, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
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[Speaker 3]
Thank you, Geshe-la.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, thank you, Geshe-la, awesome. Awesome, so far. And Seiji's up next.

What time, Nick? In eight minutes. Okay, eight minutes, yay.

I'm going to leave that up, if anybody wants to order a book. By the way, you can send books as a gift. You just type in the other person's email.

I tried it, and it's so fun to send Dharma books to your friends. Okay. Oh, sorry, it's actually three minutes, two minutes, but if you guys need more time, we can do the longer break now.

Let's do five or six or something like that. Okay, sounds good. Hey, Seiji, we expect to see my other grandson.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, he's here.

[Speaker 1]
All right, okay, we're showing off all my grandkids today.