Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 14

[Speaker 1]
Come on. All right, that's all you get. All right, guys.

What commitment did Master Dharmakirti set out to accomplish in the course of studying with his teacher, Master Ishvara Sena? That sounds like one of the meanings of negation in here. Hello.

Say again? Finish the book. Yeah, and then some.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, great.

[Speaker 1]
Three times. Yes, and yes, and yes. Cool.

And, right, oh, sorry, what book?

[Speaker 2]
Dharmakuntu.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, right. Which means what in Swahili? In Swahili?

I only know one Swahili word. Is it this one? No.

It means the compendium on valid perception. Deal. Cool.

How did that go for Master Dharmakirti? How did he progress over this period of studying the compendium of accurate perception three times? Each time he was better than a master.

It's cute. I mean, it's cute. If you go through the three, it's kind of sweet.

How about if I ask how it went the first time? He was better than Ishvara Sena's understanding? Yeah, I mean, they kind of imply as good.

Oh, right. He understood it as well as his teacher understood it on the first go. How well did he understand it on the second go?

Better than his teacher? Well, he understood it as well as Dignata.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, that was the first.

[Speaker 1]
He is Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, no, that is the second.

[Speaker 1]
Sorry. You can never know it better than yourself, but you always do know everything as well as yourself, so you can live up to that standard comfortably. So the first time he understood the compendium as well as his teacher.

The second time he understood it as well as Dignata, the author himself. The third time, oh, and by the way, on the second time he noticed something.

[Speaker 2]
That his teacher didn't catch all of the meaning.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so what happened on the third time? I mean, didn't he start teaching him? Didn't his teacher ask him to?

Kind of. On the third time, he explained some of these issues with his teacher's position to his teacher. So then anyway, he gets all worked up.

He's ready to leave Kuntu school and wants to go understand the system of the numerists, the Sankhya. And how does he go about receiving this teaching? Well, it involved him tying a rope around the leg of his aunt.

First he poses as a servant. And then he does his thing with the thing. Yeah, he's a servant to his aunt.

It's okay. This is an adult show. I mean, we don't have to be more graphic than the book itself.

But I think we're all mature people here. We can accept. He poses as a servant and then he asks his aunt if during intercourse she can ask his uncle to explicate on the position of the numerous school.

And while he's under, he ties a rope to her leg. And while he's under the bed, he was supposed to pull on it. Anytime he doesn't get something, you can ask for further explanation.

And then he gets it all and runs away. Great. Yeah, fantastic.

I think you're adding the under the bed part, which just shows me that you imagined it very deeply. It was her idea, wasn't it? Okay.

I think it may have been her. It's not clear. Yeah, she does.

She does tell him to do that. I imagined him somehow behind a curtain in the corner of the room, but I don't know why they have curtains in the corner of the room.

[Speaker 2]
It doesn't matter.

[Speaker 1]
I think he was in the rafters pulling up. Right. See, again, it just shows that all of our imaginations were working hard during that part of the story.

Yeah, cool. Okay, I'm going to give you vocab words. I try to usually interlace them, but that was inconvenient to me this time.

So I just separated them out. What's a tsar? A time or a completion of a thing.

It's like an instance or a time or a completion. In your book, it's the tsartsum of how many times he did the book. Great.

Totally. What's a tagun? Can't see the Tibetan.

Oh, sorry. I don't know how to show it to you without showing the rest. My screen is not showing.

[Speaker 2]
Ritual preparations or something. Say again, please, Chenzo. It's some kind of ritual preparation.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, right. Totally. Just for fun, how did it come up in the book?

And what was the example that Geshe Michael gave us of this?

[Speaker 2]
Something about oiled cotton wicks or something. Yeah, right. Yeah, get them oiled cotton wicks ready.

To light up the room so I can teach you deeper.

[Speaker 1]
And what was the other example that Geshe Michael gave us just for fun that has some application in some of our lives? You already implied it, Chenzo.

[Speaker 2]
Preliminary self-initiation that a teacher does before giving initiation to others.

[Speaker 1]
Great. You guys are smart. What's a yot?

It's a servant. Same as a dren. Great, cool.

And Word already told us, but how was this relevant in our discussion?

[Speaker 2]
It's intended to be a servant.

[Speaker 1]
He pretended to be a servant to his auntie, right?

[Speaker 2]
He wasn't pretending to be a servant, he was.

[Speaker 1]
The word pretend is in there.

[Speaker 2]
He was pretending to be a person who was of that caste or something or needed a job.

[Speaker 1]
It specifically said he pretended to be a servant so that he could get the information. Right. I mean, you know, you make an interesting argument, though.

If he did, in fact, please her, as it were, then does it mean here that he was his, you know, how could you please her and not be a servant to her? I think is a meaningful debate. But here.

[Speaker 2]
Was he fooling?

[Speaker 1]
Well, I mean, apparently the author of our text. Apparently, at least Bhutan Rinpoche or Bhutan Rinpoche was not convinced that he was a true servant because he wrote that he was pretending here. But, you know, it's cool.

It's not an insane question. Now, I'm supposed to have made an attempt at these words and then the next. Okay.

Okay. Yeah, he came to be praised with verses like that's fine. I think it's a well, it's a relating his life.

So first he became K in dance. Oh, okay. You know what I mean?

I see. Oh, cool. Yeah.

Of the mood takes. Oh, that's not at all what I thought. Cool.

Yeah, so first he himself became a master in the grammar and the logic of the non Buddhist systems, essentially. Yeah. Then he started to put his goal was.

Yeah, okay. Um. Yeah, then he pulverized his.

Good. His people who were going to debate against him. And then he passed into the sky.

Oh, weird. So it's a life story in two lines. Cool.

Well, I didn't get to the part where he passed into the sky yet. So yeah, I just didn't know. Um.

Uh, how are you taking? Um, Rick Mutek, Rick? Uh, it almost feels like past.

He mastered Sanskrit and logic. Oh, in the system of the non Buddhist. Okay, so Rick kind of like tripped out here.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Uh, so those first two lines are his life story in a nutshell.

Cute. Oh, whoops. All right.

That's reviewable. I bet I didn't make a total disaster of the last part. Yeah.

And, uh, I think that two T's in Kirti is an acceptable variation. But anyway, that's fine. Okay, the rest is good.

The rest is good. Yeah, okay. Uh.

Yeah. Is this what happened? Uh, the master went about this way.

System is very much in this approach. Um. Yeah.

Uh. Okay, these are Vinaya expressions. He got to the stage in his seniority when he was allowed to go to the city and ask for food directly.

Right. Okay. And then Jonggyu is, uh, a technical term that we're gonna get in, uh, Xiaoping's book, which means, um, that, uh, at a certain stage in your seniority, you're allowed to take off after the summer retreat for a vacation.

Ah. Uh, so like, uh, Geshe Thutoringchen always used to go up to North India and hang out in, in the, in the mountain, in the foothills, because it was cooler up there. So he, you know, he would disappear for a couple of weeks after, uh, uh, after, after the summer retreat.

Yarnay. So Jonggyu is something you do during Gaya. Okay.

It means like a vacation after Gaya. So he went vacation, on vacation to the city? No, first he got to the point where he was allowed to go to the city to ask for food.

Okay. Later he got to the point where he was allowed to take the vacation after Yarnay. Oh, later meaning tar, like finally.

Oh no, and then tar, after all that, he was able to leap to the drum of the gyelpo metokye. Oh, okay. Oh, then he was able to go to the, the gate.

Oh yeah, he showed up at the, at the door of the, yeah. He showed up at the door of the king. Okay.

And is the king saying, hey, who's this guy? Uh, no, he said, uh, Su, Su is Kepa nowadays. Who's the wisest.

Oh, I see. So he came to the door and said, hey, who, who thinks they're smart up in this joint? He came to the door of the king and the king leaned out and said, hey, who's, who's the great masters nowadays in our country?

Oh, so the king is asking him. Yeah, yeah. Okay, who's got game.

Yeah, who's, who's the best, uh, it's like asking who's the Super Bowl champions. Yeah, sure. Right.

Which we'll answer tomorrow. Right. Okay.

Well, yeah. Good thing I'm in translator school. Good.

Metal Gepa is Kusumita. Oh, Metal Gepa is the name of the king. It seems to me to be.

And that's, um, you know, God bless him. That's, that's Lokesh Chandra. Oh, you found it somewhere.

Good. I mean, in the, you know, in the one source that we actually mostly accept. I, I gotta say, we're very fortunate to have Lokesh Chandra.

I have never rarely, rarely found a mistake. And the input was also done very well under the direction of John Kimball. So I gotta say, it's one of the best inputs we ever did.

Well, okay, I better quit while I'm behind. I'm going to give you the plane. Yeah, here we go.

These are hard books. Don't, uh, these history books are terrible. That's kind of.

No, they are. Here's his answer to the king. And I'm going to push it down for you so you can read the whole thing.

And Nick wants to check you. I can see he woke up just to check you. Asleep leading the asleep.

Power. It sounds like Muhammad Ali. Okay.

Okay, Shreyabh Jain, now if you want to know who the great masters are, Shreyabh Jain is Chöblang. Oh yeah, the greatest wisdom holder, the big dude, the big smart guy is Dignaga? Good.

And if you want to know who's the best in composition, it's Chandragomi. Chandragomi, okay. What did he write?

I don't remember. Letter to a disciple? Letter to a student?

Yeah, letter to a student, early writer. Now, if you want to know about poetry, then Pawel Lechun is the master. Depjor means classical composition.

If you want to know who's the greatest poet, it's Pawel Lechun. I don't know the Lechun part. Pawel is Sura, right?

Sura, Sura, Sura. Okay, we'll look him up. Yeah, and it's some kind of second part of his name, like the one who came from the warrior or something.

Now, if you want to know who's the master of mula... Tell me personally. I'm sorry, mula?

Money. Oh, you are saying that? Okay, cute.

Meaning long chod? Yeah, long chod means possessions. Who's number one as far as possessions?

It's you. That's okay. Yeah, you, old king.

Who's the master of money? That's you. But if you want to know who's chok lai nangpa gyel...

Who's the king of them all over here? Na mimba. You're looking at him, baby.

Yeah. If it ain't me, who is it? Okay.

Yeah. I guess Dan is really enjoying that last moment. Semua.

It's me. Don't try this at home, folks. Yeah, don't try this at home.

Right, Nick? We get this lecture every day, right? Not in the kitchen.

In the kitchen. Sometimes I get it before I reach the kitchen. Okay.

Please read, and Stanley wants to check you. Okay. Okay.

Nice. That's what he said. Yeah, he said, I'm the greatest.

And then the king said, Dharmakirti nam? You said your name is Dharmakirti now? Oh, are you Dharmakirti?

Wow. Okay. By the way, I guess we should...

I'm not going to correct the Tibetan, right? I mean, I'm not going to make it a long I, okay? Or should we?

I don't know. Let's do it. Okay.

All right. Okay. Hey, are you Dharmakirti?

And he says, they can't do drug. They can't do drug, like... I don't know, the famous...

Yep, that's what they call me. They call me, yeah. Okay, yep, that's what they call me.

I am also known by this name. Yeah, so he answered. Then the gyalpo dendonged him.

He dendonged him, did he? Pulled him closer or he invited him in or something? Yeah, dendong means invitation.

He gave him an invitation. It literally means pulled out a chair for him. And this is the...

even in modern Tibetan, this means to invite somebody, okay? So the king said, come on in, you know? I'll be your jindat.

Your sponsor. I'll sponsor you for all of your mixed nuts work. We know people like this.

God bless them. Please. Okay.

Then rabtu chepa here means composition. They done some... Adam knows this one.

Yeah. Right, and he wrote the seven books, I guess. Yeah, he wrote his seven famous books, okay?

And juktu, after that, he wrote the ranggyel. Then he wrote the auto commentary? Yep, but only to Leo Dumbo.

To the first chapter of his own book, yeah. Yeah, of his famous book. I don't know the story of what happened, and they didn't tell us here.

Okay. But sometimes it's just that the person dies before they can finish these long books, right, Tim? Okay.

So there only exists an auto commentary to the first chapter?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I think we went over that. I don't remember if it's the first chapter or the first two. I thought it was the first three, frankly, but I double checked.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
You did write it down somewhere. Yeah, maybe it means at that time or something, I don't know. Or maybe, yeah.

Okay, I like this next part. It really makes me feel good. Okay, please read.

Stanley's still checking. Okay. RTEN CHOS NAM GYI'I PAS BYA SA RGYUN PA'I PHAL CHER GYIS MA SHES SOGS Yeah, his commentaries, his shastras, okay?

Yeah. They were dimpa means distributed. They were handed out at the drasa, which is the same word now, chura.

Chura, the debate ground? Yeah, or at the... Sorry, at the places where wise people congregated.

Sorry, yeah, right. Okay. Bya Sa Rgyun Pa'i.

Most of them. And Phal Cher, Kepa Phal Cher Gyi Ma Shes. Mostly no one got it.

Yeah, mostly nobody understood it. That happens, right? Yeah.

Okay, please read. And this is an interesting part. Two minutes left.

Dang, we got to get through this. Haggerty, check him out, okay? We just started.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, sorry, we have a half hour.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I'm good. It's confusing because we're moving fast. Oh, good, okay.

Yeah. Okay, nice. Lala Shepa, his book.

Lots of people... No, some people understood it? Yeah, a few people actually understood it, but they got chakdo.

Oh, they got jealous. Yeah, and they said this book has nyepa. Oh, it's got problems.

Yeah, this book has problems. Drakpa means they made an announcement. They announced that this book had problems.

Therefore, they docked it on the juke of a king. Oh boy, they tied it to the tail of a dog. Yeah, which is the traditional way to put down an ancient book.

Rude. They tied his book to the tail of a dog. But how did Dharmakirti respond?

Lopanare means he used to say, those keys will gyuwa to the trunkiers and to the thongs. Those dogs, this gyuwa means run, right? Those dogs will run around all the cities and all the roads, all the highways.

Those dogs are going to cross everywhere. And my tencha will also tarwa. Okay.

My tencha will also go to those places, cross all those places? Yeah. So I think it's auspicious that they tied it to a dog.

Because the dogs go everywhere. And my book is going to go everywhere too. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
And I like this kind of positive response to negative people who are jealous. You know, he's like, yeah, that's okay. They'll just get me more publicity.

Okay. It would have been lost. What's that?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, exactly. I was saying the same thing.

[Speaker 1]
And the book would have been lost, were it not for the fine distribution of an audience. I thought you said mouse.

[Speaker 2]
The book that was banned is now out of stock.

[Speaker 1]
The publishing arm of our organization should take note of this fine methodology. And then at the go of his nam jang. At the go of his nam jang?

At the outset? Yeah, the opening lines. The opening lines.

Are they the opening lines? Yeah. Okay.

Very, very famous first lines. Extremely famous first lines. Okay.

And very beautiful. Okay. Let me do one thing I like to do.

Okay, good. Here we go. Let's read his famous opening lines.

They are depressing. Oh, no. Okay.

I mean, when I first read them, I was like, dang. Okay. Please read.

And who is checking you is Anatole? All right. Good.

Okay. Okay, good. Peltsier is a word that's used for a part of the conger.

Majority sutras. Majority. Majority.

So pel tser means the majority. Yeah. Khewa here means people.

Okay, yeah. And then pel means here the common, common things. Okay?

Not special. Like, like football games, movies, it's called pel. Okay?

Okay. So, and he's obviously making a joke between pel and pel. Okay?

Okay. So the common man is attracted to common things. Okay?

Yeah, cool. The common man is attracted to common things. And, shut up, tell me.

Oh, and, um, not, not to wisdom. I mean. So, pel means, pel means a high degree of fluency of gymnastics people.

Okay? I don't know how you want to say it. Flexibility?

Their minds have no, like. Dexterity. Yeah.

Or, fliency? Agile. Agility.

Yeah, I like that. Okay? Their, their minds don't have any spark.

Okay? Therefore, they don't don't do nyirwa lectures. So they don't, yeah, like, find, find words like they don't go after.

Yeah. Like, like, find speech or. Yeah, they don't aspire to reading classics.

Okay? All right? They're all tied up with football games and food and, okay?

And not only that, not only that, ko na ma se, not only that, they got takto. They have jealousy. Which is like a stink.

Yeah. Which makes them angry. Okay?

Yeah. The stink of jealousy makes them mean. Okay.

Yeah. Okay? I don't give a mean situation.

Okay? And you can translate the rest of these two lines. Oh.

Think about it. Um, let's see, um, if this is the situation, um, then, um, let's see, um, um, uh, I and others, um. Oh, dini means, uh, I'm sorry, dak la sampa me, dak la sampa me.

Oh, um, I, I don't think like this. I don't have the thought that dini, this book of mine, is the shen la pin. Oh, is it going to be of much benefit to other people?

Yeah. I have no delusions that anyone's going to read my book and be, become better for it. You know, they're, they're either, uh, they're either tied up watching football or they're, even the ones who get it, they're, they're so jealous.

They're angry. Gosh. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Uh, so why are you writing this book then?

Yeah. And by the way, it's rang gi sem, rang gi sem. Oh, rang gi sem.

Oh, yun, yun ring leksh. Oh, to, um, to like practice for the sake of my own mind. Yeah.

I just want to get my own mind more used to kom, uh, these excellent words, for a long time. Yeah. Which is what it's going to take if Ben Kramer translates all of Yeshe Wangchuk.

Yeah, right. Yeah, totally. Uh, slur len means, I'm happy to do this.

I take it up gladly. Yeah. Yeah.

Di la gawa kye. Di la gawa kye. Yeah.

I take it up gladly. Right. And that's sort of a, what do you call that, Ben?

Uh, that's a, uh, offhanded pledge to compose the work. It is. Right.

Yeah. Okay. It's nice.

It's a backhanded pledge to compose the work. It's encouraging. Yeah.

It's, it's nice to hear. Yeah. Either people will never buy this translation or they'll just get jealous of it.

So I'm not, I have any delusion that I'm helping anybody, but I would like to get more familiar with the content myself. Yeah. I was, I was explaining to someone about our work, who I had met and talking about finishing the Siddhanta book, and they were asking who, who the audience was.

And, uh, the only person I could come up with was me. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, yeah. Me or someone very strangely like me.

Yeah. Yes. So, uh, I don't know this actually, this part disturbed me when I, I was memorizing, uh, by the way, which is hopeless and I gave up, but, uh, uh, and nobody does memorize it.

Uh, but, uh, I, I was disturbed by this, but I, I think he's exaggerating. I hope so. Right?

Uh, chuk means he stuck that at the, at the front page. He stuck that at the front. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Uh, shey tako means people, people, you know, that's the story.

That's the story of how it happened. Yeah. Okay.

Now we're going to start the regular text. Yay. We're not going through, uh, all the biography at once.

Okay. Okay. Here we go.

Here we are. And who's checking you? Hasso wants to check you.

Okay. Um, uh, um, so the, the throne holder, the first no talk to, Oh, the, sorry. The first, uh, uh, 15.

Uh, the 15th, uh, means, uh, lineage, uh, sorry, throne holder. Okay. So the 15th, um, holder of Jetsun Kappa's throne, um, the great, uh, scholar punch and, um, Sinan drop that drop, uh, composed, uh, a dialectical analysis commentary on accurate perception called, um, uh, clarifying the, the true thought.

Yeah. Good. Good.

And by the way, this pension is just a traditional title for Sinan Gakpa. And it's not, uh, that it's not that he was a pension. Okay.

Right. Yeah. Okay.

Um, Jetsun. Come on, yell at him. This, this telling me his tie is crooked or something.

Jetsun base love my, uh, thank you. Yeah. Good.

And by the way, what's going on here? He's oh, great. He's listing, um, uh, works on the topic of accurate perception written in the Tibetan language.

Yeah. Good, good. And, um, anyway, one of the first books we ever translated was, uh, a logic book, a green logic book.

Maybe you've seen it. And, um, we, we went through the PL 480, 8,000 volumes, one by one, opened it up, look for all the works on Sema and we made a bibliography. So it's in that book and it took a long time to stand there and look through 8,000 volumes.

And, um, it's a pretty cool bibliography. It's very similar to what he did here. Okay.

I wanted to show you, uh, I, um, just like you, you were going through old books in the break. And, uh, I went through old books in the break on my, um, on my first trip to Sarah, uh, they gave us a Dora to study. And, um, I, uh, I always had it in the back of my head, you know, that I should like go back and be, be reading it and playing with it and having one to play with.

And I thought, well, you know, there's that first one that they gave me and I hadn't cracked it open in years. And then, um, you know, this was, you know, at the time, at least what the popular, uh, Sarah made Dora was, and look who wrote it. I can't see it.

Oh, that's his easier one. I didn't show you that. Cool.

Right. I was, I don't want to, I didn't want to show you that one. Well, that's okay.

It's too late. I'll just put it under my pillow. It's okay.

You can do the, yeah, you can learn it that way. I'll be busy for a while. It's okay.

Um, so, uh, yeah. Um, uh, I mean, is this his name?

[Speaker 2]
Uh, yeah, it's a personal name.

[Speaker 1]
I think it's higher griever or something like that. I'm not sure. Yeah.

Okay. Um, so he, um, so, uh, yeah, Tana, uh, Ganden Losang, um, wrote, uh, a commentary to the, the, um, Vartika to the, uh, commentary to the commentary. Yeah.

And there should have been a comma after Tikka. That's okay. And then another Panchen, another great scholar, um, uh, Lekpa Dendrup, um, also wrote a commentary to the commentary.

Good. All right. Keep going.

You want to check her, check them?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, good. Uh, you can translate all this. Yeah.

So, uh, Shantipa, um, which is a strange name for a Tibetan, um, uh, wrote a, um, a commentary, uh, to the, um, commentary, uh, uh, Kedrup Jivadharje, um, wrote a, um, oh, uh, uh, Tarik, uh, a book on the topic of logic and reasoning of formal logic. Yeah. Okay.

A formal logic. Okay. And then, um, the, the, uh, Janyashep Nagwong Tsundru from Amdo, um, uh, wrote a, um, also wrote a dialectical analysis.

Who wrote this book, by the way. Oh, cool. Right.

Um, um, also wrote a dialectical analysis to the commentary. Good. Uh, you can keep going.

Okay. And the word wants to check you. Cool.

Okay, I want to say a few words about this. Why did I put nice title there? I'm sure told him a turn may lamp on.

Yeah. The the teaching like the sun and all rising in all directions or something. The light of the Buddha's teachings in the eastern part of Tibet.

Okay. He's, and he's referring to Choney Lama. Cool.

He's that's our that's our guy. Yeah. And he says, you know, Johnny Lama wrote a book.

He's the he's the veritable lantern or light of the Buddhist teachings in East Tibet. Okay. And he wrote a topic and unloaded.

Okay, yeah, he wrote a formal logic text and a text on what would you say clear thinking? What is that? Well, it's really mind and mental functions.

Oh, my, of course. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. And then kung kin is the omniscient choklak usir.

Okay. And I thought, I went and got you something that I thought you might enjoy reading. Okay.

Let me get it for you. As opposed to what? No, I just mean, just for fun, just for just for kind of relaxing, relaxing.

This is my introduction to his book. Uh huh. And it was lost for like 50 years.

And somebody walked into the ALL computer center with a copy. And we grabbed it. And we input it.

And we probably did. And so and this biography was partly written by Kyeongla Rata Rinpoche, who's now 100 years old, I think, in New York City. He's the last high gashi from Tibet, I think.

And, and I approached him because this this particular book on logic was very famous from his monastery. And I didn't have any money. And I asked him if he would like to pay for it.

And he did. So anyway, this is the author, Jamyang Lama Choklak Usir. And his name is spelled several different ways.

Okay. Okay. So I'll send that to you.

Oh, good. It's a, this is the introduction to the book that we wrote. So that's Choklak Usir, or sometimes called Choklai Usir.

He wrote a Dura and a Tagrig and a Lurig. Okay. All right.

Um, yeah. And then Senawang Tashi also wrote a Dura. Who's that?

Senawang Tashi? Adam knows who he is.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the author of my, my Dura.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he's the author of Adam's first book. Okay. And who's he disciple of Adam?

[Speaker 2]
Jamyang Shepa, Master Jamyang Shepa.

[Speaker 1]
So sometimes people misspell his name as S-R-A-S, instead of B-S-E. Okay. Yeah.

So you'll see that book listed as the Dura of the Sun, the spiritual sun of the great Jamyang Shepa. But actually, he was a member of a certain clan called Se. And, and this is spelled correctly.

Geshe Yeshe Wongchuk has spelled it correctly. Okay. All right, keep going.

What are those? What's a dom? It's I mean, it's a like a commitment, a precept, an abbreviated presentation, maybe.

As a literary genre, it means a verse summary. A verse summary, okay. Yeah, and for example, nobody tries to memorize the whole Vinaya Sutra in the monastery, and we're only required to memorize the Dhamma, which is a verse abbreviation.

So he wrote a Dhamma for Thagrik, he wrote a Dhamma for Lorek, and he wrote a separate treatment of GZHAN TZAM. Okay, great. And I went and got some of them for you, in case you ever want to input them or something.

Okay. Whose disciple was Yangchen Gao in Lodro? I don't know.

Dukshidhara Bhaja? Yeah, he's a famous disciple. Oh, Yangchen Drupal Jr., am I wrong?

I think so. Well, Yangchen Drupal Jr. is a famous disciple. Yeah, I'm sorry, I got the wrong Yangchen.

Okay, I'm sorry, you're correct. Okay, keep going. Okay.

Okay. LONG DOR LAMA, NAKWANG LO SANG GI, DZE PA'I TSE MA MIN GYI NAM DRANG, PUR CHOK BYAM PA, GYA TSOG DZE PA'I DA RIG DANG LORIK RIG LAM, DROG GI DE MIG CHE DANG. LONG DOR LAMA is a kind of a pretty, how do we say, original thinker and controversial thinker.

And he's known for that, but he's a great scholar. LONG DOR place? Say again?

It's LONG DOR. Yeah, I believe it is, I believe it is. And then PUR BU CHOK is a pretty recent, I think he's a teacher of Pabongka Rinpoche, or a teacher of the teacher of Pabongka Rinpoche.

And his dura is the one that all young monks use at ceremony. Okay, so that's the, I guess until the one that you got. Yeah, right.

What's CHOG GI DE MIG? That's the, it's the nickname of his LORIK and his RIG LAM. Oh yeah, the golden, yeah, the magical key.

CHOG here means machine, okay? It means the key for turning on the machine, the logic machine. Okay, so this is true core, which means you know that the book must have been written after metal machinery reached Tibet.

Okay, so CHOG GI DE MIG. There is an earlier CHOG GI DE MIG in the discussion of Marma Harta. Marma Harta.

Yeah, like hitting the crucial point? Yeah, but that machine was running off of rope pulleys. Okay.

Okay, all right. Yeah. And I went and got you some of those, okay?

Okay. By the way, the New Delhi Catalog was done by ALL. It has 1100 titles, and it was all the books that were being printed in India in 1990.

And the Himalayas, all of them. We spent like weeks there at the Office of the Library of Congress, and we cataloged every book being offered in South Asia. Okay.

Are we doing on time? We've got four minutes. Okay, go ahead.

Good. Good. Good.

Good. Good. Shenyang means over.

Rongten is a famous Sakya scholar. Okay. And that's his nickname.

And I forget his real name.

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Okay.

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Shenyang maybe? And he wrote a commentary to Tsimanangi. Ascertaining Accurate Perception, he said.

Yeah. Yep. And then somebody in Gao...

I don't know if it's a place name or Gautam, but Shenyang. I believe he's also a Sakya. He wrote an extensive commentary to Tsimanangi.

And he wrote a clarification of Tsima Rikter, which is the treasury of logic written by, I think, the Sakya Pandita.

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Right.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, right. Okay. So this last paragraph, he's giving credit to the really extensive and great tradition of logic in the Sakya tradition.

Great, yeah, right, which is why we get the Shenyang. Why suddenly he says, hey, on top of that, because he's kind of gone through a lot of money at first. And they were early writings, and they were good.

And they were about 200 years before Tsongkhapa. Okay. Here's his wrap up.

Brilliant. That's encouraging. Dona, Utsang Tang, Dome, Sok Yulnam, Sutsema Rikpe, Shung Chukyi, Milang Watabu, Yuk Kyang, Dirma Tiso.

Yeah. In brief, okay. How many classics of logic, okay, Rikpe Shung, appeared in Asia?

Yuk Kyi Milangwa, idiom. Yuk Kyi Milangwa. What?

You could never enumerate them? Yeah, Milangwa means you'd never have enough time to mention all the titles. And unspeakable.

Okay. Did you say in Asia? Well, I'm going to tell you.

Utsang means Central Tibet and North Central. Dome means Amdo. And Sok Yul means what, you guys?

All the other places? Mongolia. Yeah, this spelling of Sok without the S means Mongol.

So, it means written in Tibetan language. So, if I could never list for you all the books relating to logic written in Central Tibet, East Tibet, and Mongolia. Therefore, Madri.

Madri, I'm not going to try. Yeah, kind of write it all down. Dabu Yul means it's almost as if they're unlistable.

There are so many. Okay, cool. And I'm happy to say.

Wow. Yay. Cool.

We reached the main book, okay? Okay, and I guess we're out of time, Nick? Yeah, that's time for today.

It's an auspicious place. Okay, well, that's great. We finished the introduction.

Yay! It's really exciting. We finished the opening bibliography.

Yeah, yeah. By the way, I mean, I have to say something. If you really get into this topic, it's really fun to read all of those books.

I mean, just for the rest of your life, you can enjoy opening up one of those books, and you will understand it. Each one is different, and each one has very useful points. The more you can expand your reading, you'll really enjoy those books.

They are all different, and they are all amazing. Okay, amazing. And your students and your students' students, they have plenty of stuff to translate.

So I'm hoping that you guys will choose, select a few related books to your own book, and teach it, and have your students translate them, because they're really nice. Thank you. Thank you, Lama.

Wonderful. Really exciting. I'm excited.

Okay. Cool. Thank you, Geshe-la.

Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you guys tonight. By the way, don't forget this evening, 5.30. Yes. 8.30 a.m. Asian time. I'm going to talk about the whole project, and what the whole progress looks like, and the details. So if you guys have time, it's a good time to come.

If you have friends who are interested in Mixed Nuts or ALL, they can come. You can bring them over to listen to this. Send them the link so they can listen in.

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It probably means that Ezra stopped barking at them. Did you stop barking at the cats? Look, they're right there.

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Hey, stick around for a yoga class with Alex Rivas. Hey, Ezra, can you send us a picture of the cats?

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You've got three extremely cute kitties at your house now. You're a cute kitty.

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You're a cute kitty. There's one named D'Artagnan, and one is named Chenoir.

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Yeah, one is named D'Artagnan, and one is named Chenoir. What's the second one? Chenoir.

What's that? We were given them, and I'm still learning French from the cat. Oh, I see.

Is he a black cat? Yeah, he's a black cat.

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Chenoir looks like a black panther.

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He does.

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You've got to send us a photo, okay? D'Artagnan is from Alexander Dumas, right? Yeah, because he's got little white gauntlets.

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French cats, how exciting.

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