Медитация 4

[Speaker 2]
It's very short. In the formless realm meditations, do I watch my mind like the...

[Speaker 1]
meaning watching it dissolve to empty space and then only consciousness? So, do I like see myself as a witness from the outside like in the second formless realm meditation? Okay, good, yeah.

Did you catch the question?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I think so. Okay, so in the ...

[Speaker 1]
Okay, well let's start ...

[Speaker 2]
The answer's going to start in the ... with the air conditioner. Okay?

In the desire realm state of mind.

[Speaker 1]
It's constantly moving between the bad pop song in the grocery store and the fantastic Jimi Hendrix bass line. Okay? Your whole life, in the desire realm, either your mind is just noticing things, or it's drilling down like this much to get the details of the song, or this kiss, or this food.

Okay? Then you go in ... When you start the form realm meditation, you still have these two very primitive states of mind.

Noticing the music in the store, and then going deeper into it slightly. You don't stop ... In the desire realm, you don't stop in the store and go ...

You know, not like that. Okay? Now, when you start the form realm, there's actually three steps I didn't tell you, but you use those two states of mind to make the transition, okay?

[Speaker 2]
From desire realm state of mind to form realm state of mind.

[Speaker 1]
You use noticing and checking. In Sanskrit, vittarka and vichara. The first one, vittarka, just noticing things in your life.

And then vichara, going deeper into them.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
When you cross from desire realm to form realm state of mind, you're going to keep using those two for like half an hour or something. Okay? Why?

The vittarka looks at the air conditioner. Notice the air conditioner. Noise.

The vichara is looking at the heartbeat. It's more subtle. And the vichara decides, I don't like the vittarka anymore.

This air conditioner, this food, this going to work on time, these are not so cool.

[Speaker 2]
I want more silence. Then you go into a noisy heartbeat. After you make the transition, the main state of mind is the vichara.

[Speaker 1]
I'm deep into this heartbeat. And there's not much awareness anymore of the air conditioner.

[Speaker 2]
You left that behind. Each of these levels has a ...

[Speaker 1]
gacha. Okay? Each of these levels has something that you are rejecting.

I prefer the quiet sound of my heartbeat. And I'm leaving behind the air conditioner. The vittarka is focused on the air conditioner.

Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. The vichara is welcoming the heartbeat. I like the peace.

I like this peace. Kadam?

[Speaker 2]
Kadam? Kadam? Now the answer to your question.

When you transition from first form level to second form level, the feeling is, I became the heartbeat.

[Speaker 1]
No more observer of the heartbeat.

[Speaker 2]
Okay? You become the heartbeat.

[Speaker 1]
So, we can say vittarka and vichara exist at the first form level. The vittarka is just used for looking back at the air conditioning and saying, that sucks. The vichara is enjoying this new peace.

[Speaker 2]
But when you move from the first form level to the second form level, you drop both of them.

[Speaker 1]
And the feeling, the sensation, is I am my heartbeat. Okay? Nobody can hear you.

You need a microphone. The stage number four, five, six, and eight, I'm looking at my mind becoming space, becoming mind, becoming nothing, becoming like ... The sensation is not so much that you are observing.

The sensation is that I am inside those things. Okay? You lose that sensation of observing after the first form realm.

[Speaker 2]
After that, you're in it.

[Speaker 1]
And I'm in my bed. Okay?