Сяопин Джоу / Элисон — Книга 2: Самоцвет истинного намерения (Панчен Лодро Лексанг о «Виная-сутре»), занятие 16

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Курс: Xiaoping Zhou / Alison — Book 2: The Gemstone of True Intent (Panchen Lodru Leksang on the Vinaya Sutra) — Diamond Cutter Classics
Урок: Занятие 16 — «Alison Zhou – Vinaya – Session 16»
Ведёт: Геше Майкл Роуч, Элисон Сяопин Джоу (перевод на китайский)
Дата и место: не указаны
Источник: YouTube, канал Diamond Cutter Classics, плейлист PL1KVm5jgTljRBpdDsc-GnPM-ab-9EEPLy; расшифровка TurboScribe
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[Speaker 2]
Okay, welcome. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
So, about eight years ago, we started with 12 new translators. And two of them are Stanley and Allison, Stanley and Xiaoping. And Xiaoping got a special subject, which is called Vinaya.

And this is ethics. And it's probably the oldest books that we are using. And they are two and a half thousand years old.

So, you know my joke, right? One Dr. Prela with a short assault that walked her match, had pears, ate the rotten bud, and every day in and to reach the cool region, doing gendur is the plural. This is English from 500 years ago.

So, every language changes quickly. That's why the Japanese pronounce Chinese characters differently than you do. So, she has the oldest language.

Five times older than what I just said. So, it's very difficult to read. But very important.

And in tomorrow's MBA class, we'll talk about why it's important. So, I'm happy to say Xiaoping finished her first book last year. It's about 400 pages in English.

And she promised me she will publish it soon in Chinese language. The originals were written in Sanskrit. So then, every time I had a question in that book, I use AI.

The old Geshe Michael AI. And it always finds the answer in the same book. And at that time, I didn't know much about that book.

The author is a little bit not very well known. But the book is unbelievable. So, I promised her, if we finish the first book, we will do for the second book.

And we are going through this book together. It's probably about 500 years old. Okay, so Xiaoping will read.

And then we'll go. And if she coughing too much, we will ask the second handsome person to come up. So, I hope Rob you're not too busy.

Just kidding. Okay, do you want to read from mine? Or you're okay to read this?

Yeah, yeah, I have the same. Okay. Okay, go ahead.

nga pa gyu shepa ni Yeah, so nga means wu. And gyu means cause. shepa means I will explain the causes.

So we are going to study something very important. In Stanley's book, which is called Abhidharma, that's really 2,000 years old, there's almost the whole chapter about causes. And I studied it many years ago.

I started that 50 years ago. And my teacher taught it to me for 12 years. And I couldn't understand why they spend the whole chapter talking about causes.

And the answer is very interesting. We want to touch the diamond world. We want to see kongshin directly.

But that's a completely different experience than anything we ever had in our life. Then normally the cause and the result should have some similar quality. If you want to plant an apple, you have to plant an apple seed.

So then comes a very interesting question. If touching kongshin is a completely new experience you never had before, how can you cause it with something similar? Because it's completely new.

And it's a very ancient question. And a very important question. If you touch the diamond world, basically you don't have to die.

So everyone should be interested how to cause that. So we study causes. And the goal is to find out how to cause touching the diamond world.

Now how does that connect to ethics? That's the question today. So ngappa gyu shepa means we reached part number five.

We're going to talk about all the different kinds of causes. And somewhere in there we will find the cause for touching the diamond world. Okay, here we go.

Please, can you read one more from chir? Okay, slowly. Okay.

chir gyu de la yin na chuk tu yod de zo le chir gyu lak chi chungwa lak chi chungwa lak chi chungwa thang khap nyam tsum pa denpa thang kun tu ngum chuwa thang nam min thang gyu ni nampa chuk tu dot Yeah, let me change this thing here.

[Speaker 2]
It's too small for everybody.

[Speaker 1]
How's this one? Easier, right? Okay.

chir gyu lak chi chungwa thang khap nyam tsum pa denpa thang kun tu ngum chuwa thang nam min thang gyu ni nampa chuk tu dot We have to memorize this book. I memorized it 50 years ago. There's a famous saying in the monastery.

I forgot more books than you ever learned. Okay. So here are the six classical kinds of causes.

chir means generally speaking. gyu means causes. de la yin na means if you divide them.

chung du yod de means there are six kinds. Because dzir abhidharma kosher So there's two famous abhidharmas. abhidharma samuchaya abhidharma zajira summary of abhidharma then the treasure house dzir which is in Sanskrit is kosha So these are two the first one is mind-only school and it's a very important book found in dun huang So Stanley is working on that one now.

Here are the six kinds of causes. Then this is a very important book because it explains slowly the six kinds of causes. But what's most important is it explains how each one helps you to touch the diamond world.

So che gyu means we call it doer cause, it does something. There are two kinds of names in Buddhism. One is a descriptive name and a definitive name.

So all causes do something, right? So it's kind of funny to call a cause the number one cause is a doer cause. So all of them do something but you will see the first one is very important.

If you studied DCI at level seven I put all of this in that course. In fact Tina or other people can get $100 right now if they can explain an example of a doer cause. Okay, go.

Too simple. I'll give you a clue. In the DCI level seven we mentioned something in Indonesia.

Is it? Also, yeah. It's like I know the Indonesia is like the wave in the Indonesia in the ocean will not stop some boy born in Africa.

Okay, yeah, $100. Thank you. Let's say a baby is born in Africa on Monday afternoon and there was a young man surfing in Indonesia on Monday morning.

Did he cause the baby to be born in Africa? Yes or no? No.

He never went to Africa. Now the important question. Did he stop the baby being born in Africa?

Then in the ancient Abhidharma he said, that's enough, he caused it. Because he didn't stop it. And the famous example in Abhidharma because they didn't have surfers at that time, surfer, 2,000 years ago, did the king help you?

Did the king help you? Yeah, yeah, he did help me. Why?

He didn't kill me. I'm still alive because the king helped me. Because he didn't try to kill me.

In a way he's responsible for my happiness because he has the power to stop my husband. And when he doesn't do it he helps me. Very interesting.

Okay. Second cause is called len chik chungwa This means it happens at the same time. Is it possible the cause and the result happen at the same time?

Generally not possible. First the cause has to come. Seed has to come.

Then the tree will grow. But there's a special exception in this system. And it helps you to see emptiness.

Okay, kyang nyam kyang nyam means like same substance or something like that. Then sungpa denpa We got Gibson here now? Oh, hi, what's sung den?

Do you remember? What does sung den mean? Yeah, mental link.

Like when you get upset it's not the only thing in your mind. For example, to get upset at somebody you have to focus your mind at them. So there will be two mental functions working at the same time.

Number one mental function says look at Alan. Number two says get upset. Then they have relationship.

If I don't pay attention to him I can't get upset at him. So they should go together. There are some mutual supporting causes.

Okay, next one is called kundudro. kundudro wuka Number five kundudro It means always comes along. My son Michael and his wife Alina they have a kundudro.

Anywhere they go they have Sisi. Sisi is my granddaughter. kundudro means always comes along.

Unfortunately in Abhidharma it means negative thoughts. Because if you didn't see kongshin you still have kundudro. Somewhere in your mind 24 hours a day there's some negative.

Number six namin namin means the result of karma. It's called the word means cooking. Like you cheat somebody in business.

Then three years later you lose some money in a deal. That's called namin. It means it has to cook for several years then it comes back to you.

This section is very, very famous very, very important. You're lucky to be here today. These dark letters our author in 1500 AD 500 years ago he's quoting a book from about 12 centuries before him.

Then mixed nuts system we always go to try to find the older books. How? AI You can find it in less than two seconds.

You can go back over a thousand years and find it. So we always in our translator team we always go to find the original quotation. And we check to make sure our author quoted it correctly.

And many times we have to fix it. After 2000 years every book in the world will lose some words, will change, something will happen. Our project has two goals.

Number one, translate the information. Number two, clean up the book. We've been doing this for 37 years.

We checked many thousands of pages. $100 How many words we checked already? They say 300,000?

Okay, you guys take a vote. You let me know. Okay, Rob.

Stanley. Oh, he got it. 80 million.

We checked... We checked 80 million words. John Brady.

He's 3% finished. We'll take seven more generations. So please have as many babies as possible.

Alright, okay. My family, we are doing our share. I'm secretly teaching her already.

Okay, who's going to read Xiaoping? Somebody else. Stanley?

Hey Rob, you want to take the plane? You have two microphones? He's going to check Stanley.

Go, go slowly. No. He's kind of old.

[Speaker 2]
,BZHIN DRUG BA'I RGYUD THANG, ,NAMS PA MI'IN PA'I RGYUR ZHES GSUNGS PA'I PHYIR, Good job!

[Speaker 1]
Nice! Yay! DRAL PA RGYUD GSUNGS, DRAL PA Yeah, the comment.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Anyway, I'm going to skip this sentence.

He repeats the same information we just covered, but he split it up nicely. Okay, he said six kinds of causes. The doer cause, together cause, equal cause, combined cause, expert cause, cooking cause.

Six kinds. All right, we did that. And how he knows, I don't know, but this is the auto-commentary.

This is Abhishek Bandhu's own commentary to himself. The big letters are what our AI found from 2,000 years ago. And it confirms it's correct.

Okay, who's next, Shelby? Gibson, would you like to read? Yeah, Rob.

Stanley, can you check Gibson? Hey, Gibson, try to make a mistake. Yeah, okay.

Okay, that's too good. By the way, his first book just finished. And his publisher is here, Rosa.

And I think it's available e-book, right? Yeah. I'll try to get the cover for your show to you.

But we're going to study it the whole year, this whole year. So thank you, Gibson.

[Speaker 2]
What's it called, Gibson? I forgot. Yeah, that's the translation.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's just published. And it's Gibson's first book. Now, Song of My Spiritual Life.

$20 question. Who's the artist who painted the Tsongkhapa? No.

[Speaker 2]
You said it's an American painter.

[Speaker 1]
It's an American painter. Not AI. It's a real person.

It's Veronica's son. It's Veronica's son.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Who's a good artist? Yeah, yeah. Okay, de na means...

Gibson, you want to try? De na? Therefore.

Therefore. Yeah, gu ... cause.

Gu is because. True, six. Okay, so-so.

So-so individual. Yeah, one by one. So-so, do you think, mun zin?

[Speaker 2]
Mun zin to recognize or description?

[Speaker 1]
good. Do I identify? We're going to identify what is the each of those six causes.

Then we're going to discuss, we're going to go backwards Xiaoping, we're going to discuss gyu, the cause of the dongpa, vowel, for sotar, soso tarpa. Xiaoping, $100 question. For me?

Yeah. Soso tarpa, what is the Sanskrit? Pratimoksha?

Yeah, it has two meanings, not finished, that's only $50. Pratimoksha, $50. I have to explain what it means.

Pratimoksha has two special meanings. The first level ethical vowels, Pratimoksha, it has two separate meanings. It has two meanings.

The first meaning is the first time you are free from not having the vow. Good. When you take it, it's the first time you are free from being vow-less.

By the way, at that moment, pratimoksha, first time you take a vow, we say the universe takes a picture of you, and that picture will stay forever. Okay, and it will stay on your body. Okay, we call it pratimoksha.

What's the second meaning of pratimoksha? It means that if you want to reach freedom, then each individual has to keep the vow to reach freedom. Yeah, if you take the vow, but you don't keep it very well, you don't reach freedom from death, for example.

For example, you can't get rid of death. But if you keep the vow, you will reach freedom from death. Therefore, individual.

Nice. Okay, these are the two sections we're going to talk about. I'm the first teacher who lose money by being hired by the university.

I'm the first teacher who lose money by being hired by the university. Okay, who's going to read next, Xiaoping? We got some choices, three choices here.

Yeah. Do you want the... Oh, hustle is good.

Do you also later want a new student to try? Yeah, okay. Hustle.

Ready? Can you see it? Not too far?

You're younger than me. DRE BU DE LAS, right? Yes.

What's DRE BU, you guys? It's the result. Actually, good.

DE LAS GZHAN PAS DGOR NAS means it is not the result, okay? Something is not the result. It's something other than the result.

Something other than the result. And in the production of that result, DRE BU SKYES PA, DGE'I MI CHE, it doesn't stop it. If the cause is going to create the result, and something is there which will not stop it, then that's the definition of a doer cause.

What's the famous example from Indonesia? Yeah, that surfer. You know, he's never been to Africa, but he didn't stop the baby from being born.

So, in a way, he caused it. He is part of the environment which caused the baby. It's not a stupid idea.

It's a pretty cool idea. Now, anticipatory translation gives the example of the king. What should come next?

Give the example. About the king. Nice.

You deserve a hundred dollars, but you didn't get it. Okay. Don't answer the question so easy.

Okay. All right. Gipson, do you want to read?

Xiaobing, you check him, okay? Okay. ,DE NA DGE SPO MI DE LA PHAN MA BTAG KYANG, ,LUS PA MA RGYAS NA DGE SPO MI DE DE BA LA, ,GU MTHO BZHED SPYOD PA LTA BU YIN PA'I PHYIR, Nice.

Okay. ,PHAN NA means Gipson. For example?

Yeah, Gyalpo. The king. ,MI means noun.

,MI Person? Yeah, person. He didn't do penpa to that person.

Any benefit or any help? Yeah, the king didn't help the person at all. ,KYANG But?

,LUS PA MA RGYAS LUS PA MA RGYAS He didn't do luspa. Did he? Humming.

Hum or hurting. He didn't hurt him. Therefore, the king...

,GOS PA means put him there. Put him there. Put him there.

Happiness. Yeah. ,DE LTA BU Like mix.

Yeah, like example. Did the king help you? Yes, he left you alone.

Just like American government. If they leave you alone, you did pretty good. I should offer $100 if they can guess my taxes every year.

Never mind. Okay. ,GAL PA'I NYID MI This one.

Good luck, I think. ,DE LTA YANG MDZO LAS Yeah, I like this. It's a small sentence.

,RANG LAS GZHAN PA CHE RGYU RGYU ,RANG LAS GZHAN PA CHE RGYU RGYU But I really like it. And listen and think about it. Everything except the thing which grew is its cause.

That's where I get the Indonesia surfer example. So if something starts, everything in the universe which is not that thing, positive, because it didn't stop it. Cool?

It's like the king. Cool. Very deep.

Okay, who are you going to choose next, Xiaoping? Rob hasn't really done a sentence. He did one.

Does Stanley want to check? Go slow, Rob. He's an old man.

[Speaker 2]
Is it Daydrell? Yeah, Daydrell.

[Speaker 1]
From your throat, and do not touch the top of your mouth with your tongue. Nice, not bad. Drelpa means auto-commentary.

Vasubandhu wrote a huge explanation of his own book, and that explanation is thousands of pages. rang gi ngo means its essence. ma dokpa means not included into its essence.

Now, the next word is pe, P-A-p-o-s-t-p-I. And that word, like Gibson can appreciate it, dokpe. Say dokpe.

That's our book. Carved 500 years ago. Let's go to the 2000-year-old carving.

dokpa No I. Big difference. John Brady found the old book.

Our AI can check it. It's not the same. It's just one small letter.

But it has a big change in the meaning. So our project, first of all, it's like dun huang on steroids. Steroids means those big strong guys take extra chemical to get their muscle bigger.

If dun huang take injection, special injection, this is our project. Why? We fix the old books.

We don't just keep them. We fix them. Then we put them free online.

So far it's $20 million of work. And the poor two old men had to raise all the money for 37 years. But nowadays we got some help.

For the first time. And I can say it's Rosa and Tina. Can you guys stand up?

Thank you. Thank you. Now your hair is going to fall out.

But it costs about $20 million so far. It will need $600 million more. And seven generations.

You don't have to worry, just worry one generation, it's easy. Anyway, it's a cool project. Okay, so if we correct the steroids, it means if you take everything which exists which is not that thing, yeah, they are the cause of that thing.

Because they don't stop that thing from happening. That's a sentence, correct sentence. All right, and by the way, when we check, this is a West Chinese language.

The original is Sanskrit, and we also check the Sanskrit. We found about 10% exist in Sanskrit. The rest were destroyed, partly by the British.

All right. Who's going to read next, Xiaoming? Dini?

Tim? What do you have to read? Tim!

I forgot, where's Tim? Here. You are hiding.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Actually, before I read, the question I have on the text is when you take out the apostrophe, or the which, like the apostrophe I in the previous one, what are the two meanings with? Yeah, good, good. That's a great question.

I'm glad you asked. Okay, if you don't take out the apostrophe I, it means all existing things which are not of that nature. If you do take out the apostrophe I, it means all existing things, period.

They are not that thing. So it more emphasizes the surfer in Indonesia. Yeah, it's a good question.

It's a delicate difference. The whole first part, Tim, becomes a noun rather than an adjective phrase. Okay, thank you.

Alrighty, now don't try to avoid reading. Stanley's checking. Try to make a few mistakes.

Stanley will look smart. Alright, ready Stanley? Yeah, my only suggestion is be more aware of those Z's, okay?

Low tones. It's like a tone. Okay, the same book says, the auto commentary, By the way, we have ten more minutes.

Hang in there. I'm putting seeds in your mind through these two holes. When they grow, you will be so happy.

Warren Buffett wants to buy your company. I'm not kidding. Those people who don't come to translation class, they are avoiding Warren Buffett.

Even you sleep through this class, you get those seeds pretty good. To me, it's so cheap. It's like you are getting $1,000,000 per hour.

Real. Okay, okay. Real.

Okay, Bernard. GNOD PA BYAS PA'I Yeah, if someone hurts you, then Gibson can appreciate an important mistake in the carving. ZO BA is the ZO BA in LOG RDZO.

Bad livelihood. Wrong livelihood. ZE BA means what, Gibson?

To hurt somebody. No, the PAS PA'I, to hurt somebody. If you don't fix the carving, it means he didn't feed me.

If you do fix the carving, it means he didn't hurt me. Okay, HWANG HA SO. Ready?

You nervous? Okay, I'll give you a hundred dollars if you can give me the Sanskrit of MI TSE BA. Gibson, can I help him?

Don't forget MI is negative, and Sanskrit negative is always A.

[Speaker 2]
So yeah, ask something. Who? Edmond knows.

[Speaker 1]
No, I don't know. Yeah, okay, Tina got the money. Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

That's real bodhisattva. AHIMSA, not hurting people. That's the name of Mahatma Gandhi's group.

They kick out the British by deciding not to hurt them. Very powerful. Okay, MI TSE BA'I DBANG DU SPYIN NA Therefore, this guy who could have hurt me, he didn't hurt me.

Then if the local governor don't hurt the town people, town people means CHUNG MI. Then they say, the town people will say, that governor made me so happy. Okay, got it?

Did the governor make you happy? Yes. How?

He stay in his house, don't bother me. That makes me so happy. Okay, similar example.

Interesting that they use the word ZHO BOS here, ZHO BOS. Later that became a religious title. So like Atisha is called ZHO BOS RJE.

The prince of peace, or something like that. Okay, good. There's the quotation.

There's the 2,000 year old book. It doesn't say he didn't feed me, it says he didn't hurt me. So already we fixed two important things in this karmic.

In Stanley's book, we are working to fix the copy from Dunhuang. Then to go there is a big honor. To go to where the book came from is a big honor.

And I'm very grateful that you are taking me there. And that's going to be an awesome historical trip, I think. We got three minutes.

If you know grandpa, he never wastes three minutes. We're going to go to Dunhuang. We're going to use it.

Who's going to read, Xiaopeng? No translators. Stanley?

Stanley will read. And Rob takes... Yeah, more mental exercise.

This is a pretty long sentence. We'll finish this sentence and we'll start. Okay.

Okay. Nice, nice job. This is a very difficult sentence, but after that you can go to sleep, okay?

de na means therefore. Gibson, what is chok short for? Yeah, chogga.

It's an abbreviation. dar means spread. dar chok means spreading ritual.

And this is a very difficult Vinaya expression. Now, there's two ways to make somebody a monk. Or none.

2,500 years ago, Buddha sit under tree, sees Rob Haggerty walking by, and he say this, Come here. Then immediately his clothes change. And he become monk.

His hair go whoop! And his hair go wow! So in the old days, they didn't have long ceremony.

Buddha can read the person's mind.

[Speaker 2]
Then just walk first ritual.

[Speaker 1]
Original ritual. Only Buddha can do it. After Buddha pass away, a new ritual spread.

Long sleepy ritual. It takes about four hours. Not like one minute.

That later ritual called dar chok. Because it spread in all the countries after the Buddha died. So if you take Pratimoksha vow, everything except the vow is the doer cause.

For example, there are physical elements. There are atoms which cause the person to become monk. What are they?

It's the atoms of the air which are moving when the vow master talk. I give you vow. Then when you snap your finger, the vow is created.

Then there has to be some atoms in the finger to make the noise. In that first kind of cause, does the atoms in the finger cause the vow or not? Tina said why.

I said why. She said yes, I said why. Yeah, didn't stop it.

Yeah, good. Now you guys understand. Now you understand why he talk about it.

How can this create something inside of you? Because it don't stop it. It's very beautiful.

It's very important when you hear that sound, that vow, you have it. Okay, cool? Wow.

Okay, next one. Then nabarik che kyi suk. Okay, a free question for Gibson.

Che kyi suk. Nabarik che kyi suk. Hello, after you take the vow.

Yeah, cosmic photograph. It stays in the universe forever. The moment you say, yes, I take a vow.

All the Buddha. Really. All around the universe.

Che kyi, che kyi. This is so cool. One more person going to be nirvana.

Take a picture. Really, really. And that became a new thing.

And nothing can destroy that picture. It will stay in the universe forever. That's why it's so cool to take a vow.

You don't even have to keep it, just take it, you get the picture. Okay, last thing. I'm going to try Gibson again because he's so smart.

There's a sempa that means bodhisattva. But it's a different spelling, D-P-A. This one's just pak kyang.

We say pak kyang. It's a simple pak. What's that sempa?

What's the word mean? And what's the most famous example? And I'll give you $500.

Now my wife knows what happened to our bank account. If you want to reduce to $300, I can help you. Okay, good.

Wife, Veronica, I'll take you to dinner. We have $200 extra. Good.

Okay, I'll give you the first half of the verse, and you will give me the second half of the verse, and you make $300. Ready? Okay, $300.

le le jik den la tsul kye le le jik den la tsul kye de ni de ni sempa sempa dang de chen No, wait, wait, wait. You didn't get your money yet. You have to tell me.

Now you have to translate the whole line. le le jik den le le jik den dang de chen la tsul kye de ni sempa dang de chen le le jik den la tsul kye de ni de ni When the mind moves one millisecond, that's where all the stars and the planets come from. From karma.

The definition of karma is a tiny piece of thought. By the way, that's always before you use your mouth and before you use your fingers. First you get upset, then you say something, then you use something.

But there's always, a minute before that, there's always a bad thought. The mind moves this much. This is not the karma.

This is not the karma. That's the karma. Just a second, upset.

That's the real karma. Now, last thing, if you give me the answer, you can go home. Everybody's like, hey!

Why did they mention senpa here? We're talking about taking a vow. You know, everybody's talking about vows.

All those Kyoto guys, they're going to go to Nara temple, they're going to take bodhisattva vows. Sounds pretty good. Then you make the karma.

Okay, very powerful. That makes the photograph. They don't want your face, they want your senpa.

They want your decisions. Yeah, I think I'll go. Then all the buddhas are like, chika, chika.

They see the karma inside your mind. Before you say, I'll go, one second before that, you think, I think I'll go. Then that thought moves your lips.

I'll go. I think I'll go to nāryā. That's the karma.

And that's the first kind of the six causes for the vows. Because it didn't stop you taking vows. Nice job you guys.

We have one question. Hey, if you don't get the question right, you're going to pay for my dinner.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, deal. At the beginning of the class, you started with, how can you see emptiness directly? And how could you see something which you haven't experienced yet?

Completely new. New. And then you said, the nāya somehow relates to that.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
So what is that connection?

[Speaker 1]
That's in the last five causes. Out of the six, we didn't get there yet. So, next class.

I'll be back next time. I told him, tomorrow you're going to see the vow.