Вордсмит — Книга 2: Трудные места школы «Ум только», занятие 76

[Speaker 1]
Good morning, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, hello everybody. Welcome to Schwenzhag Tower. I hope everybody's doing great.

We have an exciting class for you today with Mr. Ward Smith. I just want to say an extra special thank you to Keshe. Michael, there he is.

Hey, good morning. Good morning, sir. How's it going?

Sleepy. Yeah. Me too, me too.

Thank you. Word is live here from Tucson. Oh, good.

Word's live? Yeah. Mind only, baby.

All right. Well, let's do it. Word, you got your homework ready?

I do. He's just getting warmed up. He's warmed up, I think.

Well, I thought you were bringing the kids. I know. We tried.

It was too much. It's hard. Yeah.

Get you word. But thanks for doing class live today, Keshe. Michael, I know you're underwater.

I know you got a lot going on. He's got three times more kids than you. Four times, I guess, technically.

300% more. Yes, yes, yes. Which means he needs more $100.

Sure. All right. Should I turn my mic on?

I don't know. I guess so. All right.

Okay, we're ready. I hit this by accident. All right, here we go.

Okay. No, but we're not muted. Oh, other mics are muted.

All right, here we go. Question one for our review from last class. What is this verse saying is made possible with a foundation consciousness?

You have to read the verse. If you have foundation consciousness, what's possible according to this verse? Can you explain foundation consciousness in 10 words or less?

Uh, yeah. Foundation consciousness is where all your experiences come from. And it's a special idea of a school that was strong about 1,700 years ago.

Okay. And it was very influential in Asia. Yes.

Can anyone read a positive mental attitude called Nirvana? Yay. I know it's supposed to be hard.

Good job, Nick. Yes. According to mine only people, when you have a foundation consciousness, that makes it possible to attain Nirvana.

Okay, good. More. How would you define foundation consciousness?

Um, foundation consciousness is a place where not only you experience your experiences, but where your experiences from the past are kept until they're experienced. Okay. Like mental seed refrigerator.

Yeah, it's your seed bank. Karma refrigerator inside your mind. Exactly.

This one's hard, but so is the whole book. I think we've been on this book for eight years. Six years minus golden key time.

Yeah. Yeah. Who are the, but we've read, we did the golden key so we could read this book.

So who are the dompa in the verse below? The high special ones. Those who bought this story that there was some foundation.

Mind only is the best. Okay. Mind's only suit in certain way.

Yeah. Dompa means the holy ones or the high ones or something. The amazing ones.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
It's the only people he, what's the verse say? The only people that believe in the kunshi? Well, it's actually the only people he, he explained it to.

Oh, cause he shared it. We're special people. Yeah.

Oh, I see. Yeah. So they like to quote this verse.

Buddha said, I only taught mind only special people. And they're like, that's who that is. He's like special.

All right. Question three, there are three permutations possible for what consciousness can be joined with, um, for how, I don't know how consciousness, maybe it's better, how conscious can be joined with the foundation consciousness sometimes. Okay.

So here's the answers in the old language. It's Ranga is sometimes. So it's saying, uh, depending on a situation, the foundation consciousness can be linked or connected to the other consciousness in three permutations, three possibilities.

Okay. Yeah. Oh, I shouldn't do that.

What are they to be? Awareness is to be the, the foundation consciousness. Um, yeah, it can be one with your mental awareness, I guess.

Yeah, I think, uh, um, on this section, we're talking about negative consciousness. This is the part of your mind that sees everything as a self and then gets all your, it gives you all your mental problems. So I think the first one is one with the negative consciousness.

It's understood. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. I think so. Yeah.

And then the second one, Oh, this one where it could be joined together with the negative consciousness and the mental awareness. Yeah. And regular mental awareness.

Exactly. Okay. Um, and then what's left, the all seven.

Yeah. Or it could be all seven. Why?

I thought it was six. Well, because of, because it's going to be, it's going to be six out there today. Maybe it's counting.

[Speaker 3]
It doesn't have to be the other seven because sense consciousness.

[Speaker 1]
It means engaging. Yeah. Yeah.

Because usually there are eight. Right. That's what I was just saying.

Everything except the kunji, right? The other seven. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. I think so.

Or word. I have a question about the first. Cause it just says kunji nam parashepa, D nam parashepa.

How do you know the D means Yi? I think, I think it was in context. It must.

Yeah, it was. I'm sorry. I did my homework a couple of weeks ago, but yeah, it was talking the previous sentence I think was talking about the uni.

Yeah. But I, but based on what it just says here, I definitely understand why you would think it was just kunji. Yeah.

So it's all provisional. So maybe it is. Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Vocabulary. Separate from the six consciousnesses. Yes.

Very good. And now we're on this part of the book. We're on the Rig Ved Juk Je.

We're going to prove it using logic. Yeah. Logical arguments.

Something like that. Talk now for a minute. Sorry.

That's a weird word. I know it's weird. It's like your weird word.

This one's got, this is, well, it's easy literally, but what does it literally say? That's not, okay. Sure.

Abhidharma what? Mahayana. Yeah.

Good. That's you, you're both right. English?

Greater way, higher knowledge. Yeah, exactly. The higher knowledge of the greater way.

And it's a book. So I have a bonus question. Oh, that's the $100.

Yeah, sure. What's the common name of the book? Go ahead.

Anyone who can get it.

[Speaker 3]
It's hard.

[Speaker 1]
It's hard. Huh? Abhidharma Samuchaya.

If it was that easy, I wouldn't give a hundred. I know, I know. I kind of thought that, but I figured for a hundred bucks, just take a shot.

All right. That canceled. It's the Mahayana Sangha.

Utpala said it. Oh, I don't, it's at 7.10 and you said that canceled at 7.10. I don't know if I, I don't know if someone else, if I said it before, I'll give her a hundred bucks. No, you, you started saying it as I was typing.

So that's, it's all right. No, you don't want to take money in the mouth of me. Yeah, exactly.

All right. Here's my student translation again. All right, let's see here.

Send me the great away. He said three. Yeah.

Should I read it? Should I read the whole thing with you? Okay.

Yeah, it looks okay to me. It speaks of the teacher. Take this in your mom.

Yeah. Yeah, good. Nice.

That's fine. Yay. I did it.

Okay. The second one. I'll read it real quick.

Yeah, nice. Okay. It's basically a list of ancient books.

And then what's the point? Why are they talking about this stuff? The point is we're at the almost at the end of the book.

And at the beginning, Jason Copper promised us four sections. He said, I'm going to define everything for you. And then he said, then I'm going to give you a bunch of arguments concerning the existence of foundation consciousness and negative consciousness.

And some are for and some are against. But they're just an argument. It's like a discussion at the end.

So Lungyidrupche or Rigvedrupche? This is Rigvedrupche. But he's going to get more Rigvedrupche, right?

So first he promised us scriptural proof of this weird idea of two extra parts of your mind. And then he's promising logical proof of these two parts of extra parts of your mind. Okay.

And I mean, it's supposed to be Rigvedrupche? No, I think it's Rigvedrupche from these books.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So in a way, it's both. So he's saying, now he's saying you can get logic from these old books. Yeah.

Yeah. To prove. But he's going to go into more detail on the logic now.

Now he'll go into more detail on the logic. Quite more detail than you ever wanted. No.

If your brain didn't hurt before, okay. And I think I found all of them again. Nice.

Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah.

So I just noted them. The interesting thing is to try to find the actual references. But I think it's too much detail for your book.

That's what I was hoping. It gets. I mean, you also have to leave something for the next generation.

That's true. Take it away. All right, you ready?

Yeah, you take the thing. Thank you. Thank you.

Good homework. Okay, I'm gonna. Okay, did we, did you go over this?

Oh, let me get a bigger cursor here. We didn't do this line yet. Okay, you want to choose someone to read?

Yes, choose somebody. Lindsay, let's move. You want to move everybody down.

That one? Let's go. Okay, so he just named all those books.

And then he says, where there's these quotes, he says Shenyang. Moreover, they will be jukje. We're going to give through arguments.

They are proof.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Those two sutras, et cetera, are proof. Yeah, they prove the words or quotes concerning the nam she ge, the existence of eight consciousnesses. Yeah, so there are ancient sutras that say, they don't say there are six consciousnesses.

They say there are eight. And the extra two are the two extra ones of the mind. Yeah.

And then he mentions the name of two sutras. Yeah, this is in such books as Langshik, Journey to Lanka, and Gentuk. What's that?

Gentuk is a very difficult word. I call it the Paradise of the Clouds. Are you gonna view her?

Yeah, this tuk means view her, right? Yeah, this tukpo means thick. And it's weird.

It's a very weird name. So anyway, it's a paradise known as the Paradise of the Piles of Clouds. Like when you're in a pile, it's classic.

Yeah. Thick, it means thick. Tukpo means what?

Thick soup? Thick soup, yeah. So anyway, it's a weird name.

Anyway, he says you can find mentions of the eight consciousnesses in these two sutras. Therefore, they must be real. The two extra ones must be real.

Who spoke the sutras?

[Speaker 3]
Buddha.

[Speaker 1]
The Buddha. So maybe he knew what he was doing. Probably.

I thought it'd be fun to try to find them. And because we have such a good database, which we built for 40 years, you can find them in those sutras. And so here's the mention from the Thick Clouds Sutra.

Okay, I did think about it again. Yeah. I was like, it would be nice.

Sooner or later in your footnote, you're going to have to refer to some kind of reference. And there it says Semgye. It's eight states of mind.

That's cool. And then here's a mind-only commentary by a recent Tibetan in the 1800s. Who gives the quotations?

And he gives the quotations. Sometimes they give the quotations and they're not in the original. But then you can go to a recent commentary like 300 years ago, and it'll tell you where to look in the 2000 years ago.

And that's what he did. And then we went back 2000 years. He doesn't say kunshi.

He says eight. He just says eight. So if you're looking for foundation consciousness, or you're looking for messed up consciousness, you won't find it in those sutras.

But Lord Buddha does say eight types of consciousness. They think that's the question. Is there eight?

Yeah. Or didn't I tell you? Ain't they?

Didn't I tell you there was eight? Oh, I see. You don't like that.

Yet. There's some Kappa's version. So we did a lot of research to find those quotations.

Thanks, man. If you're in the mood, you can read them someday. Okay, here we go.

Who's going to read? Lindsay, you. Lindsay's still there.

You want to read one more? One more. Okay, go ahead.

Nipa rikpa la kunshi rikpa ta nyen yidki rikpa ni le. Good. Okay, secondly, Nipa.

There will be rikpas. There will be logic that's presented. Kunshi rikpa to prove logically that there's a foundation consciousness.

And Hong, nyoni, negative consciousness. There'll be rikpas for that as well. Yeah, so he promised us, look, I can give you quotations from ancient sutras.

And he finished that. And then now he's saying, I can prove it to you all. I can give you logical proof for those two new states of mind.

Two extra states of mind. Then Tsongkhapa's root text from about 600 years ago. And he mentions eight arguments.

And we numbered them. And these are eight problems that will come about if... Generally, if you don't have a kunshi.

Yeah, if you do not have a refrigerator where all your karma seeds are stored, there are eight logical problems. So we're going to spend a long time on those eight. And I think it's the last great section of this book.

We've been working on this book and its commentary for eight years. And we're getting pretty close to the end with these eight arguments. I warn you that the first one has five parts.

All right, here we go. Who's going to read? I want Emily to read.

Yay, thank you. She's having fun. Her husband is far away.

All right, yeah. Okay. Her husband's book was just completed.

Yay. It'll be published in a couple of weeks. The e-book's ready now.

Oh, the e-book's ready already. And we should put up a thing about it. Okay.

E-book, ready for sale. Yes. Okay, start here.

I teach it at Diamond Mountain in April, I think. So it's good that he finished.

[Speaker 3]
Yes. Good.

[Speaker 1]
Good.

[Speaker 2]
Good. Good.

[Speaker 1]
Yay. You already read that, didn't you? Oh, yeah, we did this part.

He finished that. Oh. He finished this next paragraph also.

Oh, yeah. Okay. I think you should make Emily read the verse.

Yeah, let's read the verse. We're going to be hanging out today. Okay.

Good reading anyway. Okay, read this.

[Speaker 2]
Good. Yay.

[Speaker 1]
Wow. We fire Gibson in your fire. So he gives a source for this verse.

I found a version of it in Yoko Chara Bumi, which is when you think about Arya Sangha from 17 centuries ago. And yesterday, we finished his brother's book after 50 years. And that was a pretty cool thing.

But anyway, the half brother, the older brother, Arya Sangha, he wrote this really massive group of, I think, nine commentaries called Yoko Chara Bumi. Yoko Chara being a synonym for my Nama school. And so this, you can find this quotation here.

There are, these are eight arguments of why it would be wrong to deny that you have a refrigerator in your mind that holds all your karma. There are eight arguments against saying that it's wrong. Okay.

So here we go. By the way, it's very, very grippy. And you need someone to untie it.

There's nobody in the world could read this and understand the eight arguments. It's just shorthand to remember them. So here we go.

So they're listed in Yoko Chara Bumi? Yeah, exactly. The verse.

Eight arguments. Perfect. Okay.

Arvind, can you translate that? No. I think it's a good thing.

It's just words. You see, it's code. It's code and then it's, then he has to unlock the code.

But if you're interested in the code, we can go through it. Len? Taking.

Taking. Dumble. First.

So it's like this. Taking. First.

Clear. Clear. Seeds.

Karma. Feeling. Feelings.

No mind at all. No mind at all. Soaring.

Meditation. And. And death and moving on.

Dying and moving on. So it doesn't mean anything. It's just a code to remember the eight arguments after you've learned them already.

Does the mi rung apply to all of them? Yeah. Yeah.

Mi rung, yeah. They would not be correct anymore if there was no eight consciousnesses. Yeah.

Then these eight things would not be possible. Yeah. Yes.

Okay. So here we go. Good question, Nick.

Who's going to read that, Mr. Green? Oh. Savon, our lovely host.

Just fake it. That's what I've been doing for years.

[Speaker 3]
Go to him. All right.

[Speaker 1]
Let's try. Okay. Good.

Yes. Correct. Yay.

Hey, that was perfect. Acting like you don't know. So what the above quote is stating or speaking about is the gye, the eight nampa aspects.

Yeah, in eight different ways. Yeah, eight different ways. As spoken about in the commentary on the Samuchaya.

Yeah. That is Daniel's book. Probably.

Yeah, I think so. And when it discusses those eight, kyi, it should be understood that it is only possible for the kunshi to exist, for the foundation consciousness to be in existence. When you read these eight problems in the Amida Masamuchaya, which was written also 17 centuries ago, you understand that there has to be a foundation consciousness.

Because if there were not, there would be eight different problems. This book is the one that Stanley's working on because they found a copy in Dunhuang Caves in the Gobi Desert. And we're giving a program there in a couple of weeks, retreat program there.

And he's been working on that translation. Wow. If you want a dull Amida, that's even duller.

50 more years. So here's the eight problems listed briefly, and then he's going to go into detail on them. Do you want to keep going or you want to torture somebody else?

[Speaker 3]
I want to torture someone else.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, torture somebody. Oh, who wants to be tortured? Don't ask him, tell him.

Ula. Yay! Perfect.

[Speaker 3]
Can I also pretend? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Good. Yeah, start with D. If you do well, you have to stay until you mess up.

Okay. If the foundation consciousness didn't exist, then there would be no taking of a body It would be misipa. It'd be impossible to take a body at birth or something.

Yeah, to take a body at birth. What was the... How was this first argument of the eight...

How was the first of the eight arguments expressed in the verse?

[Speaker 3]
Len.

[Speaker 1]
Len. Okay. Okay, so how are you going to know, you know?

The verse said, hey. And then the explanation says, you couldn't take a body when you're born if you didn't have a foundation consciousness, okay? That's called take.

Okay, that's why you need a commentary. It's just a dome or something, okay? Yeah, it's just...

Okay, number two. Ula has to keep going until she messes up. You can just mess up right away.

On purpose. My name is Steve, and I'll try to mess up, please. The su and su-ma name, it's not the su and su-pa.

Yeah, the su means like from the beginning or something. Yeah, good. And the verse actually says first.

It says tangpo. But the su-ma means from ancient time with no beginning or something. Yeah, primordial.

Primordial script. Yeah. Okay, you're good.

Yeah. Okay, it would be impossible for things to occur. I think it's more like in the order of first, again, isn't it?

We're going to get to it. In fact, we're going to get to it more than we want to. Yeah, I think it's a question of how could things be beginningless without kunshi.

Something like that. Okay, cool. Number three.

Yeah, it would be impossible mi-si-pa that things could occur in a clear way. Yeah, I think it refers to the clarity of the mind. Number four.

It would be impossible for things to just be seeds. Or seeds themselves. There'd be no seeds if there was no refrigerator.

Okay, number five. Unfortunately, there's eight. Okay.

Karma would be impossible. Yeah, karma would be impossible. Without a storehouse, then karma itself would be impossible.

Number six. Yeah, so this is kind of funny. Mi-si-pa means impossible.

Again, lu means body. Ngongwa here, it literally means experience. But here it means to feel or something.

Yeah, bodily experiences would be impossible. Yeah, exactly. Two more and then you're free.

[Speaker 3]
Nice.

[Speaker 1]
It would be impossible to have an experience in a deep meditation where your mind was completely still or something. Almost mindless. It literally says mindless, but that's not what it means.

Yeah, it means 99% mindless. Okay, and the last one. Yeah, by the way, si has to be in the state.

Because dupa? Yeah, I cannot follow on that. I can't follow on that.

Can you make a note and put a question mark? You have to check it. With your skin?

After the BAS, yeah. We fix the manuscripts as we go. This one is...

This quotation is almost 2000 years old. Okay. The S could be a mistake too, again.

Yeah, that's why I put a question. That's why I didn't correct it. Yeah, I think it could be easy.

Oh, so go ahead, Ben. Go ahead, translate. Numbership achievo mi-si.

Yeah, it would be impossible to chi, to die, and poa move on to another birth. Good. Yeah, with a consciousness, if you didn't have a foundation consciousness.

Yeah, if there was no foundation consciousness, you couldn't die and move on to another birth. So these are Rigpa Ghe. These are the eight logics.

And into these eight, you can include most of the arguments, the logical arguments for foundation consciousness. Therefore, I'll restrict myself to the eight. Our authors said, you know, there's probably a hundred arguments in favor of foundation consciousness, but I'll restrict myself to eight just because I have to finish my book.

So they give ship or chow. So these are the eight that we'll be discussing. Yeah, I will just cover these eight.

And they cover the other points, by the way, because he did mention five other points, for example, and he didn't go into them. Okay. All right.

Who is that? You get released. Thank you.

You should have gone into the school.

[Speaker 3]
Let's meditate with you.

[Speaker 1]
I was thinking about it. All right.

[Speaker 3]
Dara Dela?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Dela. Uh-huh.

[Speaker 3]
Dela Rikpatan Honi Kunshime Nelunyawar Limpah Jitar.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Mirum Shena.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Word translate and be sensitive to the me in mirum. Okay.

So, Pangpo, firstly. Yeah, here's the first argument. Yeah.

The first argument on the subject of the eight that we are discussing.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Shena, you may ask a question. Jitar mirum, how is it inappropriate or unsuitable that Kunshime Nelunyawar Limpah, if you didn't have a foundation consciousness, if there were no foundation consciousness, Nelunyawar Limpah, then you couldn't be born. You couldn't take on a body at birth.

Yeah. So, rather than saying, I'll tell you why, if you didn't have a foundation consciousness, you couldn't take birth. Rather than saying it that way, our author says, maybe you will come and ask me and say, why would it be wrong to take a birth if you didn't have a...

So, he says the reverse, which can be very confusing. You may ask me why the first argument is correct, rather than saying, here's the first argument. It's just very so complicated.

Okay. Who's... Okay.

All right. Do you want to read one more? Go ahead and read one more.

[Speaker 3]
Okay. Wait, make your lips like this. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. If you don't agree that the kunshi exists... Good.

If you don't agree to a refrigerator where all your chronic sins are stored. Yeah. Then, Kyung, you also...

You also agree that there's no negative consciousness. Yeah. Hi, Amelie.

Now, explain why. Well... So, if there's no storehouse consciousness, there's no messed up consciousness.

Yeah. He says, why? Yeah.

And he even puts this S in here, meaning like, uh, if there isn't a storehouse consciousness, there could be no negative consciousness, because the negative... First of all, the negative consciousness exists in the storehouse consciousness. But secondly, and more to the point, the negative consciousness, it looks at the storehouse consciousness, and that's how it gets its power from observing it in an ignorant way.

Yeah. The seventh part of your mind gets messed up by watching the eighth part of your mind and saying, that's me. Okay?

That's me. That's me. That's who I am.

Okay? So, without the... If there was no eighth part of your mind, which is the refrigerator, there couldn't be a seventh part of your mind, which would be a problem.

So, he says, there must be an eighth, because without an eighth, you couldn't have a seventh, because seventh is created by focusing on eighth. Mm-hmm. Okay?

Seven is a wrong attitude about eighth. Seven looks at eighth and says, that's my call. Okay?

Cool? Yep. And so, therefore, if there was no eighth, there couldn't be any seventh.

And then, if you took a rebirth, it would have to be accomplished by six other guys. Who's that? Your general sense consciousness, like your awareness of color, and your awareness of someone touching your hand, or something like that, are those enough to force you into a rebirth?

Me wrong. Yeah, me saying no. There must be more to a human being than senses, because senses are not enough to force you into a rebirth.

You've got to have a sense of what's going on. You've got to have major misunderstandings to force yourself into a rebirth. So, if you say there's no eighth to be the object of seventh, which is grandpa misunderstanding, then you'd have to take rebirth.

What would push you into a new life would be your awareness of color? All right, come on. That's what he's saying.

Okay? That would have to be the case. Okay?

Yeah. Now, something nasty. Gyu-nga here means what?

What is gyu-nga without the S mean? The five causes? Yeah, five causes.

And there's five reasons why your perception of color is not enough to throw you into a new life. So, in the first of the great arguments in favor of messed-up consciousness and storehouse consciousness, we're going to have five sub-arguments. Okay?

There's going to be five reasons why your awareness of color is not enough to throw you into a new life. There's five reasons why the first reason is true. And then we got seven more after that.

Okay? Thirteen total. All right.

So, we're going to start. And I numbered them for you. 1A, 1B, 1C.

Okay? So, here we go. It's going to get ugly.

There's five reasons why your perception of colors, et cetera, smells, they're not enough to throw you into a new life. Okay. By the way, the higher schools say there is only the six.

They say there's no, they don't agree with the Mainomi school. The Middle Way school doesn't agree with the Mainomi school. They say there is no seven, there is no eight.

So, somehow they must be saying you can still take a rebirth. Okay? But the Mainomi school guy, here the Mainomi school guy is the main guy.

And he's going to give five arguments why. Your perception of color and shade should not be enough to throw you into a new life. Okay?

Here we go. Who's next? We're going to pick someone from the audience.

Okay. That's okay. Svetlana, would you like to read?

[Speaker 3]
Yes, thank you so much, Dr. Boyd.

[Speaker 1]
Gil? We just did that one. Yes.

You should vote it. Sorry. Go ahead.

So, Svetlana, you help me. The foundation consciousness is Yeah, nice. Yeah, it's a namen.

It's a namen of light. From how long ago? Like a while back.

So, the foundation consciousness is a karmic ability. Hey, when you read it, you have to say, it's probably misspelled if it were me. You think?

Oh, yeah. Anyway, because the foundation consciousness is a ripening of karma from zillions of years ago. Yeah, yeah.

Due to that. Yeah. Yeah.

How it engages is due to some mystical kind of karma. Yeah, karma throws it into the future. Powerful karma throws it into the future because it's been going on for billions of years.

Yeah. Then that's how you name some joy. Yeah.

Then, yeah, that's how you cross the border into a new life. Yeah, if looking at colors in your last life was enough to throw you into a new life, it doesn't make sense. You need a state of, you need a part of your mind that has existed for billions of years and collecting karmic seeds and throws you into a new life.

Okay, that's what he's saying. You have a little bit of room. Yeah, and so that's how it's appropriate that you take on a body.

Yeah, then it would make sense that you'd have to take on a body if you have a state of mind that's been there for a billion years collecting karmic imprints. But just to say I saw red apples in my last life, that's not enough to throw you into a new planet, to create a new planet for you to get thrown into. It's not enough time.

It's not enough karma. You've got to have a story that's been working for a long, long time. That's their argument.

Therefore, and I'll tell you another reason. Yang means, so that's why you need a storehouse consciousness. And now he's going to tell us why the six is not enough.

Just looking at colors, listening to sounds, smelling smells, that's not enough. Now he's going to go to, the second half of this paragraph is, I'll tell you why sense perceptions is not enough to throw you into a new life, okay? Mm, yeah, so this is like- Soak through me.

Yeah, so now let's talk about the other six consciousnesses. Which are traditionally called the group of six, okay? Soak through.

So the six sense consciousnesses are called, by the way, which includes the consciousness of your thoughts. In the West, we just say five senses. In Buddhism, we say six senses.

Including your thoughts, okay? Mm-hmm. Dalai.

Sutra says. Yeah. By the way, in the division, so I just finished the Mahabhidhara book, right?

18 categories of existence. And made up of six sense powers. And six sense objects, okay?

Like the eye and colors and shapes. The nose and smells. The ear and sounds, okay?

Those are called, those are all physical, okay? Those 12 of the 18 parts of a person are physical. The six, the eye, ear, nose, tongue.

What am I quoting? Heart Sutra. Heart Sutra.

So anyway, you couldn't do those, those six. Those traditional six are not enough. So don't, none you want.

Those are only physical. Even the eye power is physical. And by the way, the eye power is the patches of self at the back of your cornea that detect color and shape.

So, but those are all physical. The point is he's trying to isolate the 12 out of the 18 that are physical. Yeah, okay.

The inner, the inner six and the outer objects. Right. And let's throw in there.

And view how you, or is it seen? Just read it as it is. View.

The desire to see? Yeah. Thinking to look.

Oh. Okay. The things you look at.

And the idea that I would like to look at something today. Those, which by the way is yi che. Is either how the mind moves or attention itself?

It's just a random thought, movement of the mind. Simba. What's Simba?

What? Just basic movements of the mind. That's Abhidharma, right?

Yeah. The most fundamental form of karma is random thoughts. Okay.

So he says, you know, you got your eyeball. You got a red cup to look at. And your mind goes, I think I'll look at that.

Okay. Yeah. That's the power in which the mind moves, gets things.

That's how it happens. That's how it starts. I think it means birth here.

Okay. I think because of what comes next. Oh, okay.

Then you get a body. Yeah. Then you make a body.

Uh, finished. Right. Finished taking your body.

Yeah. Due to those, from those conditions? From your eyeball, from the color red, from the random thought to look through your eyeball with the red.

Okay. That's yin san zhuang, man. That's not enough to be born.

Yeah, come on. Random thoughts to look at red cups is not powerful enough to throw you into it, to create a new world for you to go to. You see, don't forget it's creating the world.

The karma that makes you born is creating the planet that you go to. And thinking to look at an apple is not enough to do that. Got it?

That's what he's arguing is. That and the sense power of the eye and the red color in front of your face, those are not enough to create a whole planet for you to get born into. You know, come on.

That's his first of his five arguments in favor of the first argument. Got it? Okay.

And by the way, the reading was excellent. See Atlanta. Okay.

Okay, who's going to read the next one? Okay, next year. Very good.

So Lana.

[Speaker 2]
Do you want to read? Yes. Thank you, teacher.

Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Wow. Awesome. I don't know.

We're giving out some drugs. Tell me. Shame.

Anyway, this juke means the mind engaging the eye engaging in the red color. It means the juke shape means the engagement of the sense consciousnesses. Okay.

Like looking at colors. Prior prior to the ripening of the current. The fact that you have an eye.

Apple is coming from your past. Okay. It's already a ripening of karma.

Your eye is not current. It's a ripening of karma. Okay.

A karma is mental. The eye is physical. It's just a dumb result of what you did in long ago.

It's just flat. It's just me. It's not making you karma.

Yeah, the mental awareness. Yeah. If it also exists as you come into a new life.

Yeah. You're so your five sense consciousnesses are there as you enter life. But they are dumb pieces of meat.

They don't make me. Okay. What about and you also when you do take a rebirth, when you come into a new life, you do have some kind of awareness of your thought.

And in the Abhidharma system, thinking is the perception of the perceptions of the millisecond before. Thinking is always a millisecond in the past. Thinking is always a millisecond behind.

You see red, and then you say, I see red. See what I mean? So it's always a little bit behind.

All right. So that's also makes it dumb. You see what I mean?

It's a karmic result. It's not making new karma with evil thoughts or thoughts of compassion. It's just a reflex of perception.

That happens a moment after perception. It's a dumb millisecond behind the world thing. It's not creating new worlds.

It's just a reaction to the senses. Okay. You need some joy.

You're not young. You're big. Yep.

Therefore, it's so true. Therefore, it also cannot be the case that the collection of six, the six consciousness are said to be what takes on a birth. You cannot say, you cannot claim that it's the six senses, six sense consciousnesses, which is five sense consciousnesses, plus the sixth one, which is always a moment behind and can't think I want to hurt somebody or I want to help somebody.

It's just reactive. It's just saying red, perceive, yellow, perceive, sound, perceive. It's not like thinking evil or thinking kindness.

These are five dumb meat senses, one which is just a reaction the next moment that doesn't initiate any thought. How can you say those are creating karma? They are just results of karma.

Got it? Yes. Very beautiful.

By the very definition of ripening? Yeah. They're like the ultimate result of karma, not creating karma.

The meat of your eyeball and your ear and your nose, this, come on. Those are just absolute, perfect, old ripenings. They are not new kinds of creation.

They are not creation. They are created. The very definition of ripening?

Yeah. They're like the ultimate result, not the cost. They are not the karma that created the world.

They are the world that the karma created. Your eyes, your ears. Don't say they're going to take you to a new life.

They are the new life. Okay. NYIN TZAM BYOR BA'I NAM GZHAN YIN NA.

Yeah. If there is a consciousness in your next life. If they were the consciousness that led you to your next life, SKYE NEN GYI DANG PO TZAM BYANG ROL, then when you cross into that next life.

Yeah. When you cross into your new life, they are NAM NAM, past tense. They are ripened.

Yeah. They have ripened. They are not creating new karma.

They are the dumb, silent meat that comes out of your own karma. Don't tell me they're creating a new. Don't tell me they are creators of new worlds that you are born into.

They are just dumb results of your own karmas. Okay. So don't tell me they can create a new world.

Therefore, because they cannot create a new world, you must have a foundation consciousness on top of that. Otherwise, you couldn't have a new world. NYIN TZAM BYOR BA'I NAM GZHAN YIN NA.

TA CHING TU. Yeah. They're one and the same.

Yes. TA CHING TU means exclusively. Of the two, new karma or the result of karma.

New karma or the result of old karma. New karma is mental. New karma is creative.

Okay. Creative impulse. Old karma is meat and buildings and sky.

So he says, TA CHING TU LUNG MA DE. Yeah. They're exclusively not what we're talking about or?

They are not demigod. Okay. Yeah.

They're not neutral or they're not virtuous or non-virtuous. They are not acts of karma. They are not acts of kindness and they are not acts of cruelty.

They are dead meat. Yeah. Don't tell me they're creating a new planet.

It's very beautiful. Okay. They're just LUNG MA DE.

LUNG MA DE means karma result. They are the stupid, dead meat, dirt, sky, created by your old karma in your past life. They are mute.

They are silent. They don't do anything. They just be.

They're just the result. They are not the cause. Okay.

LUNG MA DE means karmically mutual. They are not a good thing. They are not a kindness and they are not a cruelty.

They are just stop. Okay. LUNG MA DE, good bye.

They have to be that way. Yeah. They have to be.

Therefore, we do not tell her that they could be gay or me. Yeah. We say you can't see them as either virtuous or non-virtuous.

You can't say that your eyeball. Oh, I have a good eyeball. I have a cool eyeball.

Or the dirt outside is sweet to other people. But it treats everybody the same. Okay.

Therefore, they cannot be responsible for you coming into this life. Therefore, you must have a foundation. Got it?

Cool. You didn't explicitly say the kene kidambo. Namsayin, the kene kidambo, to be born into the first moment of a new birth.

Oh, yeah. The first moment of a womb, kene? Yeah.

Yeah, but it means there's an ancient division in Abhidharma about periods of your life. And it means the first period of your life. Maybe they could have some part in later periods of your life when you stare at somebody.

But come on, the first part, the first moments of you're in the womb, they're just results. Overtime. Oh, sorry.

So now we have a 15-minute discussion led by word. And we say, how on earth could you apply this to your real life? We invented that 15-minute break because people were curious.

Can I use this in the real world? And it's up to word to lead a discussion to demonstrate or to theorize about how you can use this in your real life. Okay.

All right. Hi, everybody. So this is really cool.

First of all, it's kind of the wrap-up of our book, which we've been working on for a long time. The book is really hard. And it was so hard, we had to do another book to even read this book.

And so these arguments are very powerful. And to me, they're not just arguments about the foundation consciousness. They're actually just arguments about the mind in general.

Like, how are any of these things possible? So I'll go back to the eight, because they're a little... I'll just do it here.

It's a little confusing. Yeah. How is it possible that we take a birth at all?

How is it possible that our senses sense things? Because this too is mostly about that. How is it possible to see things in a clear way?

Why isn't everything just happening at once and all jumbled and difficult to even perceive? How are seeds possible? How can we cause our world, right?

How can we do things that later become other things? How's karma possible in general? How do we feel?

So all of these are extremely practical. I mean, it's basically how is the experience of life possible at all? Which is a very practical question.

I think it's weird, okay? I have a personal gripe. I think it's weird.

I was a philosophy major and everyone thought I would amount to nothing. Just thinking about stuff all the time and I showed them. But I used to think how it's weird that people like science or people are always trying to figure out these issues, just everything from socioeconomic, political, and people are always trying to solve problems.

But they kind of ignore the big problem all the time to do that. How are we even alive? How do we even experience anything?

And then people say that's impractical. I'm like, how is it impractical to talk about the thing that is behind all the things? It feels like to me, that's the most practical.

We need to have some, if we don't go there in some way, which all these books is at least an attempt to get our minds there, to go there, to discuss how is life possible? How are we even here? And then for me, I like to work backwards.

I like to go from there or forwards, work from there and then apply that to everything in my life. Right? Maybe.

Blank stares. So I think it's extremely practical. I think this is the most practical section of the book because after teaching us about foundation consciousness and negative consciousness, Jason Coppa, the great, is willing to have a discussion, get into it.

Because other people's texts, they're debate texts, right? They're going to each, like Tim's book is amazing. Every single word is being minced and talked about, but this isn't a debate text.

This is mostly what we call Rom Luke. It's just Jason Coppa presenting it. And it's hard enough.

I'm glad it's not a debate text. But now we have to, we're asking these great questions. After we learned everything about the foundation consciousness and the negative consciousness in this school.

So to me, it's extremely practical, all of it. And the foundation consciousness itself is actually quite practical. To be honest, I didn't really want to translate the mind only school.

Geshe-la made me. He said this or nothing. I was like, okay.

I'll do it. And in the beginning, the first seven years or so, I was like, no, this school's messed up. They don't understand karma.

I just want to talk about the pen. I just want to talk about middle way. This is a little wrong.

And why am I doing this? And about year seven and a half, I was like, wait a second. Um, this applies to me, right?

Like, I don't think all day about the pen per se, you know, I just think in my head, you know, and I'm, and I'm having thoughts. And, um, how does that kind of platform exist? You could say, like, how does that place?

I don't know. Um, because I meditate sometimes, right? And I try to like, where are my thoughts?

Like, where's all this actually happening? You know? And so for people who have, aren't really good at the pen, like me, you have to think, you think there's some place where this is all happening.

And from that place, uh, you know, where, when we're, we're, that's where it's all going down. And then from there, things occur in your world or as your world. So it's, it's the, the arguments about foundation consciousness are really powerful.

They're, they're a powerful tool to, which you can apply. You know, you could, mind only school is great. You just take out the word kunshi and the word nuni, and you basically have middle way.

It's not, it's not that far. Even Jason Kappa says, okay, you want to go all the way to some great spiritual goal. You can use mind only.

It's going to take you about 99% of the way there. At the end, you have to be like, oh, okay. Just delete kunshi from all the, you know, books.

And then you have middle way. So I think it's very practical. Um, in that sense, you know, how do things even happen?

You know, it's kind of, these are like the big questions that many people are afraid to even to ask, right? Um, cause the ramifications are, are, uh, profound. Um, anyone else want to say, oh, oh, Luna wants to say things.

Uh, I got super excited today. Not because of the board. Uh, I feel like an advertiser of the, uh, mixed nuts because of the, after these years, it's at seven, but like, I get a glimpse of what's going on.

Like, and, uh, so the seeds are ripening and I encourage everybody. Who's, um, uh, just about to give up because they kind of made sense.

[Speaker 3]
And you're totally right. And we talk about future lives, et cetera, but, uh, what's happening tomorrow? Like, or after we finished this class, what, how are creating the next hours?

And, um, so it's extremely practical. And then I thought if we can figure out how we are doing, um, how we are creating rebirth, we can, we can kind of cancel it. I mean, maybe I'm aiming too high, but I'm totally not in the mood to go through all this again.

It's, it's extremely cool. Thank you for doing that. And thank you for doing that.

And, um, I had another thought that I forgot.

[Speaker 1]
I'm creating like forgetting thoughts. That's fine. So how do I do that?

[Speaker 3]
And yeah, so that's really cool.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Um, oh, Anjali wants to say things. Step right up.

[Speaker 3]
Hi.

[Speaker 1]
Hi. You too.

[Speaker 3]
I took notes cause I, sometimes I'm not so good off the cuff, but I'm kind of following the flow of what happened last week of how I can use this to catch how I misunderstand the people that irritate me. Like, I, like I said, you're not you. I didn't mean to look at you.

Although we've been there. I'm learning from you, Mr. Mind only. So last, like last week I said, um, where I strongly believe that I have a feeling, I get a feeling after I see the colors and shapes of those people that act that way.

And that I think that are that way. Um, essentially I feel we can use these things to catch. The dumb meaty ripening of the sense consciousness and objects, um, that it's perceiving before I get caught up in the feeling about, uh, the color, those colors and shapes.

[Speaker 1]
Right. So irritation. Yeah.

The irritation.

[Speaker 3]
So it might save me from a wrong response or having a misunderstanding and doing a super dumb thing because already doing a dumb thing, we do a super dumb thing by reacting.

[Speaker 1]
So that's my useful tool. Yeah. Wow.

First one, first one in history. Okay. Uh, any other comments?

We have about another minute. I don't want to go too far into peach tree world news time. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's let Juan Hustle take over. Hey, we got one more, one more.

[Speaker 2]
I just actually, uh, it is, thank you for the teaching. It reminds me of the jewel, uh, the universal jewelry box last night we did, uh, you know, before I fall asleep. So it's like, uh, in the universal jewelry box.

I just want quickly check with you teachers. Because, uh, uh, among all the existing things, existing things, and, uh, we can, it's like a changing thing and changing. And, uh, within this changing things, uh, we divide into physical and the mental sense.

But when I check the mental sense, uh, in the level seven BCI manual, only the accurate perception and a mistaken perception. So here today, we, because I think a man only is a very delicate about the mind. About the man.

So I just want to check that mind. Belong to the mental space. If it does, and then which it's accurate perception or, you know, yeah, because where man itself, where caution, this consciousness itself face in the universal jewelry box.

I'm a little bit confused about that.

[Speaker 1]
Uh, okay. So we have a question I'll summarize. It's, uh, and for everything in the world, there is, um, where does mind come?

You know, the mind as an object itself, you know, is, is that, is it mental? Right. I got it.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. So we are to put a man itself into the universal jewelry box.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. I don't know. I put mine is the most mental, right?

[Speaker 2]
So it's like mental here, only accurate perception, mistaken perception.

[Speaker 1]
Well, the perception of the mind could be accurate or inaccurate, but I would say mind itself is a mental thing. Yeah. Amongst all things in the universe.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. So we put demand, uh, here, mental is mental. Okay.

Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Here's your thoughts. You know, they are past.

It's already past by the time you're aware of it. That apple has moved on. So there's a, there is an argument that, uh, the mind as a whole, which is what you're asking.

There is an argument that the mind as a whole is something past, which means it cannot sense new things. You see what I mean? So there is a school of thought that the mind itself is a demonic creature.

I think that's the equivalent. Yeah. Or, or is even a do much.

Hey, I'm not, I'm not producing, which is a thing that exists, but it wasn't, it was not because it's because you're, you're always a millisecond behind the sensor. You're standing behind the eye. Then the, I see something in moment one, in moment two, you're aware of that.

So in a way that the mind is always a little bit in the past and therefore it's not a lot. Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you. Okay. Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1]
Thanks. Okay. That's our time.

Thank you so much for your questions and comments. Next. Yeah.

Next two arguments. One B and one C. Okay.

I'll do that. Uh, okay. Um, now for a peachy road news with Hasso.

Thank you Hasso. Hello. Good morning.

Word. Good morning world as well.

[Speaker 3]
Mexico.

[Speaker 1]
Beautiful, beautiful place. I don't know. I think it's a really special place.

I used to teach here some courses on yoga. I really recommend that if you ever have a chance to come. So today we have just about 10 minutes to present and Chloe is going to be here to help me accomplish this mission.

So let's get going to it. Hello, Chloe. How are you?

Great. Hello, Juan. Hi, everybody.

Welcome to the news. Uh, today we are announcing a very exciting news, which is Gashula's new book. So the last Gina, please show the flyer and then let's invite Gibson.

Hey, I hear the news. I hear the rumors in the streets. That you're going to Mexico, a long visit to Guadalajara.

We can talk about that later.

[Speaker 3]
Okay, we'll talk about the rumors later. Let's congratulate Gashula Michael and Gibson for the new book. And let's send a lot of rejoice and flowers.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, Gibson. So let's talk about it. Gibson, how are you?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, I'm pretty good. Thank you, Chloe.

[Speaker 1]
So can you talk about this book and your experience of translating it?

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
First of all, I'm very grateful that I am part of the team and all the journey beginning from when I was in Mexico, the first time I hear Gashula translate Long Ring. So I'm so surprised to hear that Gashula is going to give me the chance to translate this Long Ring with him. And I think this Long Ring is in the pocketbook, so it's not very thick.

So it's very easy for you to take it and travel around. And I remember like Gashula when he taught the first class in this translation, he mentioned about a very funny story and very unforgettable story that he and his teacher. There's one time he traveled with his teacher to Himalayas on a very terrible bus.

And in the middle, he and his teacher get out of the bus to a tea shop. And one of the British hippie guys saw Gashula and his teacher. And he's very surprised and yelling to two of them and say, Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. I'm so thank to you because your book. And it changed my life.

And he turned out and unwrapping his cloth. And you find out it is the three principle path. And that British guy say he found out this book a long time ago, and he read it every time, every year.

And this idea in this book helping a lot. So I have the same experience. This is the third pocketbook that is also talking about the Long Ring.

And the most highlights of this book is one. Shidongkapa never talk about his life very frequently. I think only one time or twice.

And in about his 52 years old, one of the student asking a terrible thing. You suddenly talk about yourself. Can you write a book or write a text about yourself?

And Shidongkapa is very humble. He said, OK, I promise you. But only because I want to remember the idea in the Long Ring and write it as a note.

So he named this book as the Jinyanggu, the song of my spiritual life. And there's a verse keep showing up in this book. In the Western Chinese say, meaning I am the practitioner has accomplished my practice this way.

You should do your practice in the same way.

[Speaker 3]
And yeah, I don't know if you have any question to ask. I think I think. Yeah, thank you.

Thank you for sharing your favorite section of this book. And I wonder if so. How can you share with us?

Like, how can we use this book in the daily life?

[Speaker 1]
I think when you look really small, you can read as if you give me a tip that is asked me to memorize the whole book. But I'm halfway finished that. But I think that is very powerful because if you can memorize part of it, then during the day or you can before you memorize it, you can pull up this book and just randomly pick up one of the page.

And you will feel like there's a master who have already gone to the end, achieved his goal. That is a Buddhahood. And whispering in your ear, in your mind, tell you how to keep going on, keep getting back on this track to set up your goal.

So I think this is pretty helpful.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you. Thank you so much, Gibson. And again, thank you.

And congratulate to you guys and Michael for the new book.

[Speaker 1]
And then Gibson, please keep translating. And thank you so much for all your work.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you, Grace.

[Speaker 1]
So Gina, let's show the poster again. So now if you want to buy them, the e-book is available. And I just bought it last night just for good luck.

And then I'll start reading them. So do you guys see the poster?

[Speaker 3]
So now let's get back to Juan.

[Speaker 1]
I'm here. Not yet. But a little later, hopefully.

It has been great, actually. But anyways, let's go.

[Speaker 3]
Why are you sunburned?

[Speaker 1]
Why? Because I've been going out today. A lot.

And then, you know, it's funny because now that I'm here in the area, I have some friends that actually are living in the area. And one of them is with us here today online to present a very cool project called Translators. It's like a game on words.

Translators School. It's Translators School. But it sounds more like translator is something like that.

Anyways, Pachi, welcome. Now that you moved from Argentina, finally you came to a reason and left Argentina, moved back to Mexico. We want to congratulate you to be proof that every year you become more wise.

So I'm just kidding. Just kidding. But tell us, you and I talked yesterday about a very cool project you are cooking together with Katherine and Aretha.

Can you share with us what it is about? Yes. Hi, Juan.

First of all, it's the worldview production translation school. Okay. That's the proper name.

Translators School. Yeah. So look, after extensive work, assisting various organizations and above all, with all the help of lots of volunteers in these last years, we realized that there was room for improvement.

It's inevitable that each interpreter brings their own nuances, such as their unique style or pace. So we observed that often even names of books or names of basic concepts were translated in different ways. So when you start, the first thing you do is try to get all the translators to the meeting, and then you want to have backups, or then you need two for each language.

So when we were done and everything was running smoothly, then we realized we needed to go farther. So suddenly Aretha and Katherine stepped in and offered to work on a project for translators, and they take it very seriously. So now we have a fantastic program, but I believe that they can tell us more about it.

So Katherine, would you like to share with us?

[Speaker 3]
Sure. Thank you so much, Pachi. It was great that you supported us.

Actually, we decided to... So we saw that we needed translators in different languages, and the five houses are growing up.

[Speaker 2]
They need a lot of new translators. And it seems like, for me, it seems like... I used to volunteer for five houses, and I've seen how much we need translators.

[Speaker 3]
Simultaneous translators, interpreters, and written translators. And I had an idea that we can help with it.

[Speaker 2]
And we decided to just... I don't know how it happened. I didn't do anything, you know.

And we just came together and decided to prepare translators, teach translators. Because to know a language is one thing. And to be able to translate so wonderful ideas, as we discuss in Mixed Nuts, the Sun Sun Tower, it's kind of hard, you know.

And we decided to try to help with that. And Areta, she's a professional translator. I'm not.

[Speaker 3]
And Irina Lukyanova, she's a philologist, and other people who came together and helped us to do it. It was amazing.

[Speaker 2]
They were amazing. And Areta, could you please tell us how it was, how we did the first wave? Hello, thank you.

I have a challenging task to speak slowly.

[Speaker 1]
So let's see whether interpreter can be slowly. We had two tracks, Ukrainian and Russian language.

[Speaker 2]
And as you see, we had 103 applications, 72 for Russian language and 31 for Ukrainian. And we had 17 people who get certificates that they passed an exam. So they are translating and they are now even translating.

For us, it's a great number. We thought we will have less. Can you move to the next slide?

The program was pretty intense. That's why we are so happy with 17 people. So it's three months.

Every week, we had one hour live session. We covered 11 topics like how to prepare equipment, how to deal with fast speakers. And we especially appreciate Ina Ivanina and Maria Myrtle.

They came to the Q&A session and they shared with us their experience with interpreting. Aside from that, every week, each participant had a learning partner and they met for another hour to practice and to support each other. And also, we had individual tasks and we had a task tracker.

We loved especially our dictionary cards. So we wanted to show it to you. So this is the intensity of the program.

And we really appreciate, Pachi, your support and team's belief that we can do it. We drastically need to have wisdom overcome ignorance. And I can say that as a person from Ukraine, deeply appreciate all your support and teachings.

Katrina, what's going to happen next? Thank you, Areta. It was really hard work for Areta and Irina and some other people who helped to do the first wave.

But of course, it's just a pilot program. And we would like to make a template how to teach translators, how to teach interpreters.

[Speaker 3]
Because we know something and we would like to collect the best ideas, the best way to share it with other languages and to create schools in different languages.

[Speaker 2]
And we are happy to probably announce that Italian language is gonna join us and Bulgarian. And I hope they will do. I don't know for sure.

They promised. And we are gonna start the second wave. And we are happy if you guys, somebody of you would like to take our experience, take our ideas.

[Speaker 3]
And we are happy to give you the whole package how to do it, to teach translators in your language.

[Speaker 2]
So we hope to have many, many languages. Now we have about 17 languages. So we need more translators.

And I hope we will have them by teaching them as we have done. Thank you once more, Pachi. Thank you, team LamentHealth for your great support.

[Speaker 3]
Without you, I don't know what we could do. Probably nothing. Thank you so much, guys.

And thank you, Juan. And thank you, Chloe, for giving us this wonderful floor.

[Speaker 1]
Very welcome. And thank you as well for all you're doing. I think it's very cool.

Training people to translate better in an organized, systematic way. That's great. So people will know how to deal with fast speakers.

That I like. Great. Thank you so much.

So we have many other things to say, but we didn't have enough time. So Monday, we will keep presenting more upcoming programs and cool things happening. But that's all for today.

Thank you so much, Chloe, as well for organizing the end in the, I'll say the other end of this broadcasting in Rimrock. Thank you so much. Thank you, Siobhan, for letting everyone use your house.

Thank you, Geshe-la, for teaching. Please stay. And we'll see you again soon.

Have a great weekend.