Вордсмит — Книга 2: Трудные места школы «Ум только», занятие 59

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so we are going to do some homework for my book on the mind only school. Yes. Just take us.

If you send me $100 I'll show your words new baby. I'll see if I can do it I'll probably mess it up.

[Speaker 3]
Recording in progress in progress in progress.

[Speaker 1]
The most beautiful baby in this whole room. I know. Oh.

Okay, so we'll start with you. Last we spoke we are diamond mountain. And we started to talk about the seventh consciousness, which is called negative consciousness.

Push it up. Yeah. Photos.

Yeah, pushing. Yeah. Um, and we're talking about how it exists, or whatever its qualities.

So here we go. Everyone hear me okay. All right.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool.

The seventh consciousness negative consciousness is neutral and causes a blockage. How does Jason copper define things that cause a blockage. So Jason copper the author of our auto commentary talks about what it means to cause a blockage.

I don't expect anyone to remember but if they do that'd be cool. I remember and it was exciting but if you have to pay me $100.

[Speaker 2]
Things that cause a blockage. It brought you see something. It brought you see some other things.

We call it.

[Speaker 1]
That's true. That's pretty good blockages block that's true. Here's what Jason copper said.

He said, things are not involved in things that are involved in negative emotion, and all deeds created by the body and mind that are non virtuous. So doing bad stuff causes a blockage. That makes sense.

To what are the examples of the things that are that are blockage causing but are neutral. So Jason copper says there's things that block you in a certain way but aren't necessarily negative. What are they, there's a list that no one remembers, I bet.

Yes, good. What kind of ignorance is specific to the first link, what do you call it, the perishable view, the view. Yeah, perfect Nick good.

Anybody else remember stuff that's blockaging, but awareness. Thinking really quickly blocks the live translators from being able to translate. That's true.

I think, hey Nick, you're so cute in the second class your eyeballs, your eyelids. I appreciate that you can see how I feel. I will show you since no one is saying it.

Here we go. The pervading mental functions which, when they are linked to things involved with negative emotions, we're going to go over what those are. Mental consciousness when it's linked with the view of destruction, extreme views, and formless realm meditations, maybe I'll do that.

Yeah, okay. That makes sense. Yeah, cool.

They block you, but they're not bad karma. Yeah, they're not really a bad thing, but they ain't going to get you where you're going. Okay.

What is something that is virtuous and does not cause an obstacle? Whoa. No one?

That ain't worth it. Dön Dham Gyalwa. Dön Dham Gyalwa?

[Speaker 2]
Dön Dham Gyalwa.

[Speaker 1]
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Ultimate virtue, which is to become a, to reach nirvana. Yes.

Nay. Nayla? Yeah, you can say it.

No one remembers anything. I understand.

[Speaker 2]
I was trying.

[Speaker 1]
I fell asleep in my class, too. Things that are not involved with negative emotions, the essence is neutral, but causes an obstruction. Is that how you teach so good?

Yeah, I lull them to sleep and it just goes in. Okay, some vocabulary. Oh, that one's pretty easy.

Good job, too. Now, Kuntujowa. There's five of them.

What are they? Always around. Yeah, the omnipresent.

Yeah, good. They're the things that are always there, ever present. Nyongmong Pak, as opposed to nyongmong.

Negative emotion. Correct. Thiem, what does that mean, Thiem?

[Speaker 2]
Negative emotion, that's all the negative.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they're not conscious. It's just like the table in this room or something. All the stuff in your world because your world is messed up.

Eggplant. And then Kyu. Embrace.

This is the only new word in the whole thing. Okay, I have a translation. Student translation from now on.

I don't know what the rule is. I'll read the Tibetan. Here we go, here's the Tibetan.

Nyuni di nyongmongpache nyinpe gewa minna. Geway sem dang gyu chik la du chik du, ngyun gyur du njukpe chir mi gyi wa minno. Nyin yin di nyongmongpache nyinpe.

The brain of consciousness is involved in negative emotions, and this... Give me the power, give me the force of the P.A.S. By which they perform this act? No, it says because it is what?

Because it is involved in negative emotions, or something possessive of that. Because it is involved in negative emotions, it's not good karma. You see what I mean?

Can we say that, you guys? Never put a cute baby in the room, you can't get anybody's attention. I'll say it again.

If something is involved with negative emotions, can we say it can never be a good karma?

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
So you've got to give me a counterexample. Something involved with negative emotions, but it's a good karma. Anger at your own mental emotions?

I'd say just ignorantly doing nice things for other people. Right?

[Speaker 3]
Like if there's a time gap with something negative, but it inspires me to do good things, or it teaches me a lesson, and then I end up doing something else. So if there's a time gap involved, something negative isn't permanently negative.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe it has to be mental. If it's mental and it's involved with mental afflictions, then it cannot be good karma? It cannot be good karma?

I don't know if that sounds plausible. Okay. Whereas positive states of mind in a single mind stream.

DGE BA'I SEM DANG RGYU GCIG LA DU GCIG TU RMUNG DGYUR DU SPYOD PA'I PHYIR DGE BA'I SEM DANG RGYU GCIG LA I think that means in a single mental stream. It doesn't mean a single mental stream at any particular given time? Jason, cover it.

Yeah, in a given moment. At the same time. RMUNG DGYUR DU SPYOD PA'I PHYIR Because it can be active in a single mind at the same time with virtuous state of mind, it cannot be non-virtuous.

Okay, that's good. Okay. I'll read the Tibetan.

This is a tough one. If it were without the respondent, this would be impossible. Sheminay gyalmi yong nun gyurah.

That's the Soke. Someone who hasn't seen emptiness directly? Yeah.

You've got to say, would be impossible in the mind stream of a person who hasn't seen emptiness directly. Hasn't not? Not sure.

Yeah, and I have a theory about this next half of this sentence. I think he's saying that nünyi is always nüngü. What would that mean?

Nünyi is always nüngü. That negative consciousness, the seventh consciousness of the mind-only school, is always happening, always manifest. Yeah, it never pauses.

The feeling that I am myself never pauses. That's the definition of nünyi, right? So what the mind-only school calls messed-up state of mind, he says, is always nüngü.

It's always manifest. It's always on. It's always on.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay? Therefore, in a person who hasn't seen emptiness directly, virtuous and non-virtuous states of mind would be impossible. If the messed-up state of mind was itself virtue or non-virtue, then since it's active all the time, then no human mind could ever have virtue or non-virtue in it.

Because when the negative state of mind was virtuous, you couldn't have non-virtue. And when the negative state of mind was non-virtuous, you couldn't have virtue. Therefore, the messed-up state of mind cannot be virtuous or non-virtuous, because it's always active.

And if it had a content of being good karma or bad karma, then you could never have the two opposites. Ever. Again, that's why I think they make the first link neutral.

That'd be an interesting theory. You'd have to talk to Mr. Xi, if you want to write a paper about it. Because if it affects everything and everything would be negative, then you could never get absent-minded, because you couldn't do a good thing.

And yeah, you couldn't have a positive state of mind. That's an interesting theory. Then you apply this logic to the conversation of why is the first link of the Wheel of Life not a non-virtue.

Misunderstanding the universe is not a non-virtue, according to Buddhism. And it causes all pain in the universe. Go figure.

Okay. All right. You got more for us?

A little bit. Yay. Okay.

Next. GUR NI REG PA LA SOGS PA NGA THANG DU CHAGS MA RIG PA NGA RGYAL DAG TA ZHUGS TE DGOS KHO NA BYUNG STE DONG SANG DU In attendance are conduct and the others making good. Inner desire, misunderstanding, pride and...

And five wrong views of Samsung. Oh, no. No, the four refers to the four just before it.

Oh, yeah. The DAG TA and the other four? Yeah.

DGOS KHO NGA RGYAL DAG TA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, really?

Like that? Yeah. Oh, five plus four.

I see. Okay. Total goo.

Cool. Cool. Cool.

Good. Like good. Good.

Give me that. Oh, boy. Already fresh.

Yes, she is. I don't know. Genetically fresh.

Oh, it's Lydia's time. Okay. So, when you have, when you have, what state of mind are we talking about?

Oh, when you have nye nye, when the messed up state of mind is active, it has nine friends. Okay? There's nine states of mind that can coexist with the messed up state of mind.

And they are the five, which are called kundro. There's five states of mind. There's five mental functions that are on all the time.

They never turn off. Okay. And we put them there.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
I stole this footnote from myself. Excellent. Yeah.

Excellent. What we're doing with the translators is that, so we have finished 10 books, which are here. And it's 3,000 pages of work.

And now we have all those footnotes. So, we made a database of the footnotes. And you can just go take that footnote and put it in your book.

And then you can translate faster. Okay. All right.

Should I read them? Yeah. I think it'd be nice.

Okay. Don't get fussy, honey bunny. Here are the five from Sixth Uchenmo, the great Dikshine.

kundro nga stem tam che kyi je sun dro wei sem chung nga te tsorwa thang du she sempa rekpa gyi je che so What are the five states of mind that accompany all brains, all minds? They're always on. Five states of mind, five mental functions are always functioning.

Whether you're asleep or awake or unconscious or in deep meditation or watching emptiness directly. Yeah, there's five states of mind that are always functioning. Which are?

They are tsorwa, feeling. Du she, discriminating. Sempa, which is the general movement of the mind.

Good. Rekpa, which is like contact. With the object.

Yeah. And i je, which is directing the mind. Yeah.

Why contact is a mental function. That's kind of interesting. All right.

I know you have a problem. You got more for us? Yeah, I think we got one more.

Short. te la nyong mongpa shi thang nga tenpe kundu drowa nga thang sungpa tenpe chir di sem le chungwa ni gukhon nao she thang Good. It's a quote.

Yeah, it's a quotation from Dönsang, which is what? The secret meaning. The secret meaning.

And we don't know who's the author. And everyone keeps quoting it. And it would be useful for the future to translate it.

We don't know who wrote it. There was a rumor that it was Vasubandhu and most people think it was not. But it was somebody amazing.

And it's very interesting. If there's a book, everybody quotes it and nobody has figured out who wrote it. But it's that good.

And it's called The Secret Meaning. And it's a it's a very eminent mind only ancient commentary. People keep quoting it.

It's getting me hungry to translate it. Baby wants to steal your drink. The baby can steal anything.

Go ahead. She can have anything. She's down.

She's down. Should I read again? Or what do you want me to do with the English?

Read the English. Those are the four involved in mental afflictions. And as stated earlier, the five omnipresent mental functions, because there are only nine.

There are only the nine. I don't know. Yeah, there's only the nine mental functions that can accompany messed up state of mind, which are the four classic negative emotions plus the five omnipresent mental functions that we discussed before.

Yay! Let's get some new stuff. Nice translation.

Thanks, Dan. And thank you for teaching all these people. It's amazing.

It's fun. It's very, very satisfying for grandpa. Okay.

That's not your text. I got to go call it your text. Generally, I like it.

Okay. I think this is where we are. Right?

Yeah. Okay. You want to take the plane short gap?

Okay. Are you scared? I know.

Let me do that. Okay, it'll go away. Okay.

Okay. I'll read. Oh, we got to go down to.

Oh, yeah. We just did that one. Yeah, there's been some.

Oh, we're about to start a major suffering. I translated this thing. I know.

Good luck. Okay. Oh, that's why.

I know there was a beat missing. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. It's okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
He didn't want to include the Dutch on me. Oh, I see. Yeah.

Yeah. So what is the 30? The 30 is a Mind-Only School text by Master Vasubandhu.

Yeah, and it's like one of the mother, mother, mother texts. It's like one of the top three or four texts of the whole Mind-Only School for 2,000 years or something. So he has a long quotation from it.

It's about two and a half shlokas or two and a half Sanskrit verses. So I don't think you could translate it responsibly without a commentary. The words are not difficult.

Vasubandhu's style is to use words that are not difficult, but it's totally incomprehensible. So we're going to go to a commentary. That's our strategy.

A tripod? Yeah, we're going to go to commentary. There's the original, right?

Yeah. By the way, we found some mistakes between the way it was quoted and the way it is. It's Je Tsongkapa, right?

Je Tsongkapa quoting Master Vasubandhu? Yeah, Je Tsongkapa is quoting Master Vasubandhu, but by Je Tsongkapa's time, there were still alternate translations of the classics. Then shortly after Tsongkapa, it was weeded down to one each, and they threw out the alternate translations.

Unfortunately, those are gone. They were never carved. They were probably some handwritten manuscripts.

So one translation out of 20, 30 survived and was carved into the tenure. But Je Tsongkapa not infrequently says, I think it should have been this other translation, which is typical Je Tsongkapa. So it's a very interesting point of study for some future weird student.

Like Words Daughter or something. They could analyze Je Tsongkapa's improvements on the translations that didn't make it. They disappeared.

Anyway, there's a lot of discrepancies here between what we have now and what he was working with. So we're going to go to the... There's the original.

And we're going to go to a commentary by Srimati, which is an ancient commentary to the 30 verses of Vasubandhu, in order to get to the meaning of the 30 verses. What subject are we studying? What point are we on?

What is the epistemological... How does the nuni exist? Yeah, what's the messed up state of mind?

Supposedly there's a part of our mind. Supposedly there's one-eighth of our mind which is permanently messed up. And supposedly it looks at storehouse consciousness, where all our karmic seeds stay, and it misunderstands it to be me.

So holding things to be self-existent in the mind-only school, part of it is that there's a permanent part of your mind, which is looking at your storehouse consciousness and misunderstanding it. And now Tsongkapa wants to nail down what are the qualities of that part of your mind. There's a part of your mind which is always misunderstanding who you are.

And Tsongkapa says there are certain qualities of that state of mind. Get to know it, and then maybe you can get rid of it. So he quotes this ancient book by Vasubandhu, which you cannot understand by itself.

So Word and Me, we went and got a commentary by Master Suramati, which is a very, very well-respected commentary. And we're going to add it to his book, which is why it's stretching out year after year. But we think otherwise you couldn't understand it.

So we add things sometimes from the classics. So here we go. I put in larger typeface, 16 point, the direct quotation by Tsongkapa.

Or this is the relevant section. And Word went and got the Sanskrit. He went and found the Sanskrit.

So if we have a question on a reading, we can check the original Sanskrit. So I would say you can pick on somebody. And it's best to pick on one of your students.

Oh, I know. Yeah. I love picking on them.

Yeah, so do I. The picky can become the picker. Okay.

Oh, it's just guru. Okay. Who's eating?

Oh my, it's much better than mine.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Hey, you just pick her because she's the best picker.

[Speaker 1]
She's the best thing you have. That's why the best. That's it.

He always picks the best one to come up first. Okay. You want to translate it together?

Tela. That refers to, or that is? That's what...

Ne. Yeah. Dela ne, just that much means what?

What we're saying about this place or existence? So this whole section is going to be Vasubandhu's description of messed up state of mind. And we're going to get a commentary on what Vasubandhu said.

So first we'll have Vasubandhu's words, which are going to be short. And then Sthiramati is going to explain the words of Vasubandhu about the messed up state of mind. And the first thing that Vasubandhu says about the messed up state of mind is, Tela ne te raptur chung.

It stays there. It stays or lives there. It stays there and raptur chung.

And fiercely comes out? And it keeps flowing up. It keeps bubbling up.

It stays. So what did Vasubandhu say? In the famous 30 verses, mother book of the mind only school.

You want to know what messed up state of mind is? Yeah. Tell me what's messed up state of mind.

Well, first of all, it stays there. And secondly, it keeps coming up. Then he moves on.

And we don't know what he's talking about. So here's the commentary. When Vasubandhu says it stays there and it keeps happening, when he says it stays there and it keeps happening, what he means is.

Yeah. What he means to say is, Tela shejawe. These words mean or to say, kunshinamparshepa, the foundation consciousness, ni, only that, lajar, is the only thing which it adheres to, which it mingles with.

Yeah. So Tirumati says, when Vasubandhu says it stays there, what he means is, jar means what he means. What he means is, is it kind of stays in the kunshi.

What's that mean? Yeah. Well, the kunshi, first of all, everything stays in the kunshi.

The seventh part of your mind stays in the eighth part of your mind. And it keeps happening. So Vasubandhu just said it stays there.

And then Tirumati says it stays in your foundation consciousness, in your storehouse consciousness. The place is kunshinamparshepa. Yeah, and we're waiting to hear, what does he mean when he says it keeps happening?

That's probably in the next slide. Here we go. Yay!

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Probably the same excellent reader.

[Speaker 2]
Singapore? I'm from Malaysia.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, that's why. Couldn't be Singapore.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
All right.

[Speaker 2]
kunshinamparshepa nidhe bachakine nidhe dewe na de la ne che ne jungde gyungi khe she chawe takchit go Nay.

[Speaker 1]
So when he says it stays in the kunshi, what he means is, de bachakine is the kunshi. Yeah. The kunshi is the place where the seeds or potentials live.

For nidhi. For the negative consciousness. Yeah, so when Vasubandhu says negative consciousness lives in the storehouse consciousness, he doesn't mean it lives in the storehouse consciousness.

He means it's, bachak stays in the storehouse consciousness. Yeah, the seeds which make the nidhe is what lives in the storehouse consciousness. And that's something we would have assumed, because all the messed up stuff stays in the storehouse consciousness, all the bachaks, okay?

So he says, when Vasubandhu says that it stays in the storehouse consciousness, what he means is, the bachak for messed up mind stays in the storehouse consciousness. That makes sense, right? That's easy.

Therefore, dewe na, de la ne che ne, having lived there, having stayed there, it keeps jungwa, coming out. Because its bachak stays in the storehouse consciousness, or foundation consciousness, it keeps happening. Who's it?

Me. Yeah, the messed up state of mind keeps popping up, because its seeds are living in the hunshi, in the storehouse consciousness. And what he means to say when he says, pops up, when he says, keeps popping up, gyun gyi gyi, it keeps flowing like a stream.

Yeah, it keeps flowing in a stream. Shek jawe tatsiko. Tatsiko means, what that means is, is that it keeps flowing.

Yeah, that's the meaning. By the way, I object to stopping, I object to cutting Sanskrit on a Y, because you can't pronounce it.

[Speaker 3]
Really?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, no, everyone does it with V's and Y's, and it's a bad habit. Slovenly. Should it be combined like that?

Yes, always. Because iti is usually with an I by itself, right? Iti is always iti, but when the second I changes to a Y, it cannot be pronounced without the next vowel.

So it's senseless, and meaningless, and thoughtless, to cut it. How dare they? They just don't think about it.

Who's tickling my feet? So shy. Kind of cute.

Okay, you want to go again? Oh, you're just showing off the students. I can show off other people.

Probably back there. Who's next? Try to make a few mistakes.

She won't have to try. Now she's going to do it perfectly. Okay, go ahead.

Good. Okay, I was wrong.

[Speaker 3]
I forgive you.

[Speaker 1]
Now, Vasubandhu said, it keeps happening in the storehouse mind. It keeps happening in the storehouse consciousness. What's it?

Messed up state of mind. And then our commentator, Sthiramati said, because the seeds for it live in the storehouse consciousness. Then Sthiramati says, there's an alternate way to understand what Vasubandhu said.

yang na means alternately, what Vasubandhu said about it being in the storehouse consciousness might have been referring to the fact that they're always at the same suh, level, of the nine suh. Of the nine levels.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So, every conscious entity in the universe exists at one of nine levels. The desire realm, or the four form realm levels, or the four formless realm levels. So all entities, all living entities, exist at one of the nine levels.

One of the four formless realm levels, one of the four form realm levels, or the desire realm level. And then he says, you could also say that what Master Vasubandhu was talking about, when he said that the messed up mind is always happening in the storehouse consciousness, is simply that they are always at the same level of consciousness. If you're in deep meditation in the storehouse consciousness, then your messed up state of mind is also in deep meditation.

At the same level of the four formless realm. Referring, for example, to the lion's... what's it called?

Dance. Lion's dance? Yeah.

So that could be what Vasubandhu is talking about. Who's talking? Sthiramante.

That could be what he meant when he said, the messed up consciousness is always in the storehouse consciousness. It's not literally in the storehouse consciousness. It's sharing the same level as the storehouse consciousness.

If the storehouse consciousness is not in deep meditation at all, and it's wandering around in the desire realm thinking about carrot juice, then the messed up state of mind is also thinking about carrot juice. Got it? So he gives an example.

GANG DU GUNG ZHIG RNAM PA'I SHES PA RNAM PAR MYIN PA THOB PAR At whatever level the storehouse consciousness has, which is myinpa, has karmically ripened, then NYON MONGS PA CHEN GYI YID DE, then that messed up state of mind is at the same kam, or at the same sa. Level, realm. Either the same one of the three realms, or the nine levels within the three realms.

They're sharing the same level of awareness. Basically, those nine realms means how deep into focus is your mind, independent of the content. It could be terrible content, could be good content, but the level of focus is shared between the messed up state of mind and the foundation consciousness.

Okay, good. RGYUD PA'I PHYIR DE LA GNAS TE BYUNG BA'I Therefore, it stays at that level and keeps happening, along with the foundation consciousness. What's this RAK?

Is that the panda? Is this RAK LE? Yeah, RAK LE.

RAK LU is an alternate spelling of RAK LE. And actually, the RAK LU is more correct. Oh, is it?

Yeah. Okay. It rests on the KUN SHI.

Therefore, they share the same level. RAK LU. RAK LE.

Okay. Next one, Gil? Yep, let's do it.

Another one? Chloe? And you know, if you had a couple of years, you could read the Sanskrit, too, and it'd be fun.

That's something a word can do. We're doing a banter question. Okay, you guys read.

[Speaker 2]
SHIG PA LA NGAG No, SHIG PA. SHIG LA NGAG LA NGAG DA NGAG YID MI PHE CHUD RO Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Yay. This is the... I think she's clapping.

This is the essence, okay? This is the... I heard intelligence skips every other time.

Okay. Okay. By the way, I have underlined the 30 verses part, okay?

Still Amadi's talking, but he's referring to Vasubandhu. So I underlined the Vasubandhu part, okay? Yeah.

All that Vasubandhu said was, IT MIG PA ZLAT It focuses on that? Yeah, it focuses on that. That's all that Vasubandhu said.

So, you know, you can't translate the 30 verses without referring to a commentary. So it focuses on that. So what's that mean?

SHI BYA BA NI means, what's that mean? It focuses on KUN SHING RNAM PAR BSHAD PA Foundation consciousness. And NI.

Only. Yeah, and nothing else. What focuses on foundation consciousness?

NYON NI Good. The messed up state of mind. He lives to look at storehouse consciousness.

That's his job. Messed up state of mind has one job. Look at foundation consciousness.

Focus on foundation consciousness. And have a certain opinion about it. And here's the opinion.

It holds it to be NGA or NGA YI. Me or mine. Me or mine.

And that's grasping to self-existence in the mind only school. There's a part of your mind that can't help grasping to the storehouse consciousness and call it NAN CI or NAN CI ZI. Okay, got it?

Cool. What does the MIG PA YIN? Well, I'm sorry.

It is TSUNG DEN. This messed up state of mind is TSUNG DEN. Linked to?

Mentally linked to JIGSO THAWA. The view of destruction? Which is to say the misunderstanding about me and mine.

Yeah, the first link. Which is the first link of the Wheel of Life. So its job is that.

KUN SHING RNAM PAR ZHES PA LA It looks at KUN SHING RNAM PAR ZHES PA, foundation consciousness, and it says, that's me and mine. That is the me. That is my color.

That is word, or something like that. Or words, okay? So that part is probably the core of Vasubandhu's explanation.

What's the job of messed up mind? It looks at the storehouse consciousness. What's it think?

That's me, or that's mine. Self-existent me. Next.

Thank you! Somebody's running away. See you later!

Bye! What does that mean in Sanskrit, Khenpo? It must be aham.

Aham? Yeah, like ahamkara in the Sankhya school. Oh.

Manaskara. Oh, okay. Okay.

Cool, thank you. Does anybody online want to read, maybe? Should I look?

Uh-oh, what did I do? Yeah. Come on, pick on somebody.

There's so many students. Jessica? Jessica Kim?

Yes. Oing? Yes, I'm Oing.

Oing. From Vietnam. Oh, Ong Noi.

Ong Noi, yes. Read this, please. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Read this, short. Chittana. Sem khang le chungwa.

The ni the mikpa. You, Shana.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you get it? It's a question, right? Yeah, somebody's popping a question here.

If it, if it, if it chu was from the sem, how can it also mikpa that sem? Yeah, how could it simultaneously come out of the mind and be looking at that mind? Yeah, how can something pop out of storehouse consciousness and also be focused on storehouse consciousness?

Because when a state of mind focuses on something, they are simultaneous. Okay, when you're looking at a cup, the cup and the state of mind have to be simultaneous, right? That's how you look at a cup.

So he says, how can you say that it focuses on the storehouse mind and thinks it's me when it just popped out of that mind? If it just popped out of that mind, it's happening a millisecond later. So how can it focus on a thing that's gone already?

Someone comes up and asks this question. Not a bad question. How could the messed up state of mind be focusing on the storehouse consciousness if it just popped out of that storehouse consciousness and that storehouse consciousness that it popped out of is already a millisecond gone?

Cool. It's like, how could you shake hands with your mom before you came out? Or if you came out of your mom, how could you shake hands with your pregnant mom?

You see what I mean? That's the question. Somebody's like, I don't see how that's possible.

Good question. That's too much of a question. Let's go see when you see this.

If you have somebody read, let's pick on somebody. Good job, Jessica. I will.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah. Go ahead.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
The Abhidharma school says that the awareness of your mind, right? When you hear your thoughts, the Abhidharma school says you're looking at, you're always looking at what was happening in your mind a millisecond ago. When you listen to your thoughts, necessarily you are always hearing something that was spoken a millisecond before.

The mind says something, and then the mind hears it. The second mind occurs a millisecond after the first mind. That's why depression is so endemic.

Seriously. You're listening to something that already happened, so to try to change it is almost impossible. To not be depressed when you're depressed is almost impossible.

That's because the depressed thoughts that you're listening to already happened. It's too late to not think about it. Seriously.

Here he says, ji tar kha chik ni min du kyang means, oh, what? kha chik ni min du, I understand. Some people, what?

Some people don't agree. Yeah, I understand some idiots might think you couldn't listen to your own mind. But in fact, you do all the time.

Got it? Of course the messed-up state of mind can listen to the source of the mind. Of course the messed-up state of mind can listen to the storehouse consciousness, because that's what mental consciousness does all day long.

It listens to something that happened in the millisecond before. Got it? He said, don't ask me, don't complain about it.

It happens all the time. It's always happening. Don't complain about it with messed-up state of mind.

He's just doing what consciousness, he's just doing what awareness of your thoughts always does. Got it? You okay?

Don't look so confused. Hang with us here. So he says, kha chik ni min du, some people deny it.

Okay. du la lar means sometimes. du la lar, sen kang la yi kyi nampa shepa jungwa de nyi mikpa Sometimes the mind from which an awareness has sprung is the mikpa of that awareness.

It's the focus object. Yeah, I mean, it happens all the time. Why are you complaining about it?

You constantly hear your own thoughts. Why are you complaining? They happened a millisecond ago.

That's not weird. mikpa yin shing, de jungwa tabu It happens all the time. I added de de ne.

It happens all the time that the state of mind that comes from another state of mind listens to the state of mind that it came from. You're always listening to your thoughts. By the time you hear the thought, it's gone.

Don't tell me it's weird. You're doing it right now while I'm fighting with you. So again, this te, you lengthen to te te le.

Yeah, I added that because that's what he means. de de ne jungwa And this shing means it is the focus and it yields it. Yeah, it's both the object of its focus and it came from it.

But you have to say it came from it. He should have said de de ne jungwa. Don't worry.

He's still in mind. He's okay. Next part again?

Yeah. Who's going to read? I don't know.

Thank you, Jessica. Next person. You got Sushumna reading it?

Only Chinese. She is so beautiful. Oscar.

Never touch uncle. Never touch grandpa's people. Never touch grandpa's people.

Hola, carnal. Hola, carnal. Yeah.

Word. Word. What's the frustrating thing about yi che char?

Oscar, what's the frustrating thing about yi che char? No, not any. Let him figure it out.

What's the weird thing about yi in the mind-only school, Oscar?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, we have to know if it's negative mind or just mind.

[Speaker 1]
Throughout these conversations at the mind-only school, they will keep saying mind. They will keep repeating mind or thought. It's just because they don't want to say messed up.

They drop the messed up. It's very frustrating. That's the most important.

Many people don't know what they're talking about. Many, many times in these discussions in the mind-only schools, they will refer to the messed up state of mind as mind. And they won't mention the messed up part.

You're trying to ruin my focus. Okay, so I just warned you, and I added a note there. Yi, when he says mind, when Vasubandhu says mind, he's talking about nye nyi, messed up state of mind.

number shepa nyi, yi che jang yin number shepa The state of awareness that we call yi, which means... Yeah, the state of awareness that we call messed up state of mind, it depends on kunshin. Oscar, then?

[Speaker 2]
It relies on the kunshin.

[Speaker 1]
It relies on, in order to jungwa.

[Speaker 2]
To appear.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in order to pop up. Okay, so don't give me this thing about something can't be the object of something's focus and have at the same time come from that. It's always like that.

It's always like that. Don't mess with that. Okay, next.

That's it right there? No, it's not. Oh, that sentence is done.

Read the next one, Oscar. By the way, this whole thing is a long footnote in words translation. Because it's unacceptable in the Mixed Nuts to put Vasubandhu's inscrutable quotation.

It's not fair to the reader. Yeah, at some points you got to put in some commentary. And you don't put in your own commentary.

You go search John Brady's database for an authoritative commentary. If you're a college professor, you put in your own. Okay.

Dela, who's reading? Oscar. Dela Miqba'i Checha.

Checha wa ndi'i kunshi nampar shepatan.

[Speaker 2]
Yukpe nampar shepa le nampar cheto.

[Speaker 1]
We got a new student here. Dela Miqba'. What's the Miqba', Oscar?

[Speaker 2]
Focus. To focus on.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. What does the... Later.

The Yi. What's Yi short for?

[Speaker 2]
What is the negative mind focusing on?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Checha wa.

The reason we're saying that Yi, that what it does, what it is focusing on, is kunshi nampar shepa.

[Speaker 3]
Foundation consciousness.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. And the jukpe nampar shepa, which is a technical term for the... Yeah, I would say nampar shepa.

Yeah. So he says, what's the relationship? So we got eight states of mind, right?

So he keeps... This whole argument has been, look, master state of mind is watching storehouse state of mind. But that's just two of them.

So we're missing the other... Six. Six.

Now, for $300... That's how to get his attention. For $300, the word for those six consciousnesses is called namshe tsok dru, right?

A collection of six consciousnesses. And we had a deep insight into that in the last two weeks. And for $300...

I'll give $300 if anyone can remember. Three... Such a long time ago.

Two weeks. It's awfully quiet. I love this silence after a $300 bet.

Are you talking about the three... So sweet. Nampar, Yi, and Calvin.

In the debate ground thing, someone's wondering... No. Well, it was a response to the question of why we call it the collection of six consciousnesses.

And I'll even give you the source text. It was in Master Sugeng Shi's text. In fact, it was Vat Bandhan.

Oh. Those are ones you can engage. You're hurting me.

Now, he said the six consciousnesses... Each one of the six consciousnesses itself has components. Therefore, we call it the group of six, because each one is a group.

And I get the $300. All right. Send it to my account.

Okay. So here it says, de la mikpa yi che ja. We call it the thought when it focuses on it.

Okay? And that's all that Vasubandhu said. Vasubandhu said, we call it the thought because it focuses on it.

What's it? Nampar shepa. Kunshi, Nampar shepa.

Yeah. The storehouse consciousness. And we call it the mind.

What's it? Mind. Yeah.

The negative awareness, we call it mind. Right? Frustratedly, we call it mind.

By the way, there's a deep, deep significance to that. You want to guess? Okay.

This is the thing. It's coming up, but I'm afraid we're going to run out of time, and I can't wait a month. Here we go.

We're going off the subject. Ta-da! Nyi, messed up state of mind, is called, we complain because it should be called nyun-ngyi, messed up state of mind.

But they keep referring to it as mind, yi. And there's a deep significance that Vasubandhu is about to point out. The Sanskrit for yi is...

Manas. Manas. And the Sanskrit for me is mana.

The mere. Got it? Got it?

That's cool. Yeah. Yi, messed up state of mind's job is to mistake the foundation consciousness for me.

But the name of that messed up state of mind is mere. Manas. And me is mana.

And he's going to talk about it. That's the punchline. That's the punchline.

Yeah, very similar. Yeah, but that was referring to Kunchi Nambarshepa, because it was a place where the seeds gathered. It's a similar problem with Kunchi Nambarshepa, with his foundation consciousness.

But he's a... Vasubandhu... Sthiramanthi is about to point out that there's a big pun going on here, and that's why you guys shouldn't complain if I...

$100 question. Not you. You guys shouldn't complain if I...

It's okay. Yeah. Good.

$100 this again. If I keep saying mind rather than messed up state of mind, you guys should understand I'm trying to get you to understand something. Because when I say mind, it's what in Sanskrit?

Manas. And the function of manas here is to think the wrong thing about mana, about me. It's very interesting.

It's very beautiful. He's about to say that, but I didn't want you to wear your mic. All right, we're done.

Yeah, mana means me. And me comes from mana. And they all come from mat, which means to measure.

Like dhamana. Dhamana. Dhamana.

Again, I want to thank Word for teaching us how to pronounce. And I look forward to... You don't teach tonight, do you?

I do. Next? Yeah.

Okay. If you want to read as well as the people you heard tonight, you might want to come to the next class. All right.

Grandpa's going home and eating pizza. Don't tell Grandma.

[Speaker 3]
Bye.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Can we close again? Yeah.

Why don't I just turn it off?

[Speaker 3]
Good night, everybody. Thanks so much for being here. Please stick around for Dr. Word's class. Thank you, live translators especially.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Kesha Michael, who has disappeared. Thank you. There you are.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Word.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, Allison. Is that good? No, you're okay.

Go get some pizza.

[Speaker 2]
Everybody go get pizza while you attend Dr. Word's class.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you so much. Have a lovely evening or morning or day, afternoon.

[Speaker 1]
Stay for Dr. Word's class.