Сугэн Ши — Книга 2: Колесо жизни (первый принцип и подразделения зависимости), занятие 52

[Speaker 1]
You're wondering who are all these people, what are all these talking heads? I think this camera, it's not hooked up to the, what's the name of it? Okay, let me see.

Ah, yay.

[Speaker 2]
Hey, welcome back.

[Speaker 1]
All translated, I'm required to have Maitre's hairdo. Mine was hanging just now, you know, I flattened it up. For me, it's not even possible.

Nicholas, got any news you want to talk about? No, I think we can just dive right in. All right, so gang, you got some homework to torture us?

Yes, it won't be torture, it will be fun, because it's so easy. I don't think so. Okay, how do we divide the 17 sub-levels inside the form realm concentration level?

Or did we even say 17? So, anybody remember? No, it's a difficult question.

17, I thought I was paying good attention. Ah, carefully, I see that how short your answer is, carefully. Yes.

Who was that? Was that Oscar? Yeah, three plus three, something like that.

Yes, yes, yes, please go on, go on, continue. Three plus three plus three plus five. Plus eight.

How much is it? Plus eight. Four plus eight.

Yeah, I guess you're a bingo. Oscar, Oscar's the only one who doesn't sleep in my class. Easy, right?

I said, I said so. Okay, what does it mean when we say that even beings in the formless realm also wear out life's energy, karma's merits, and their neutral things? This is the conclusion.

You have to say what's the implication of that. Yeah, what's the implication? This is the conclusion that Geshe-la mentioned after we read the text, the paragraph.

[Speaker 3]
It means neutral things are also coming from karma.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Mr. Chen, you got it. $50, Singer. Yeah, sure, I'll pay you when I'm in Sedona.

Anyway, all right, instead of fourth concentration level, we call them unshifting. What do we mean by that? This is just a conclusion, actually.

It's very similar to a student who fell asleep in my class. Are you referring to me? I'm sorry.

Wait, Ajali has an opinion. Talk loud.

[Speaker 3]
It's the same thing as neutral karma.

[Speaker 1]
She says it's the same thing as neutral karma. Yeah, but I mean, that is not, that is not...

[Speaker 2]
It's not that they're without unshifting?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, please repeat again.

[Speaker 2]
It's not that they are without unshifting.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, pretty close, but anyway, let me show you the answer. Things cannot shift between levels, but they can still shift inside its own level. Okay.

Thank you. All right, now, STW.

[Speaker 2]
Yours is?

[Speaker 1]
It's ownz. I just followed Geshe last term. It's ownz.

Yeah. Provisionally. Thank you, human.

Say again? You said that. Word.

Word, I think. Yeah, human computer. Yeah, I put these questions because I just want to hear more opinions and definitions.

I don't really understand, you know, I don't know, Geshe-la, what do you mean by factor, factor, you know, duce? You are going to have a full hour of it starting in... Okay, okay, got it.

All right, thank you. Let's move on to the provisional translation. Uh-huh, so yeah, this is the attempt, Geshe-la.

Okay, let's see, why is that? And he said, he didn't say that. Good.

We are in Medan now, so I'm inviting JT to join us. JT is leading our Medan team, and he is very, very successful. We just had a weekend workshop, and we have like, what, almost 60 people, and then amazing, and then this week we had some, what do you call it, dharma classes, and we have like 20, 30 people, and this is amazing, amazing Medan's leader.

Did we meet at Shentian's hometown? Yes, yes, he was the emcee, Geshe-la, 2018. He was the emcee, yeah, if you remember, he was the emcee.

That's nice. We all went to the mosque and had a good time. Yeah, that's the year.

Yeah, my wife really liked that. Okay, boss, nice to see you. Congratulations on your program.

[Speaker 2]
I love you.

[Speaker 1]
They are on the same place where Atisha went to. They're teaching there. Oh yeah, Medan is in Suwannadweepa, yeah, the place where Atisha came, yeah.

It must be the rebirth of Atisha. I hope so. Yeah, anyway, nice to see you guys.

Relax. Yeah, it's interesting, when Buddha taught the real life, he said misunderstanding creates link two, right? If you don't understand the world, then you create, and then he would not use the word karma.

He called it factors. You create factors. And then Vasubandhu is like, why didn't he call it karma?

Because the name of the second link is factors, it's not karma. Some people nowadays call it duje kyi le, which is factor karma. But why didn't he call it karma?

Hmm, it's a mystery. That's the kind of thing Vasubandhu is interested in. Okay, next.

Your translation is good, Sugun. Can you read it? Oh yeah.

If the nature of those karmas, let's take the factors, chitte le kyi ngu nyi de dang le kyi chi na, kyi duje yin ne, if you take karma as the general essence, right? And then you break it down into particular types, and then you call something factors. le kyang sipa ngunpa duje pa de dak shepa jang shi na.

What he's talking about is, le kyang means what kind of karma. Sipa here means rebirth. Ngunpa duje pa means brings it together.

Brings it together. What is the karma that brings your new birth together? And the word for bring together is the duje.

So there's two kinds of karmic seeds. One is called sanskara, one is called vasubandhu. Sanskara means just after you do something, like you help somebody, you open the door downstairs for somebody.

Then at that moment you plant a sanskara. That's called duje, or fresh karmic seed. And then maybe two weeks go by, and that seed is cooking inside of you, and then that seed becomes a what?

Vasana. Vasana. It's ready to open.

And it's very similar to if you plant a watermelon seed in the garden. The first day you plant it is very similar to sanskara. And then maybe like three weeks later it will split open and the stem will come out.

Just before it splits open we call it vasana. So the word sanskara, first of all you can drop the S. When N meets K, in Sanskrit you're required to put an artificial S there.

For no, don't worry about it. Drop this S. And sanskara.

Means together. And kara means to bring it together. And the Tibetan translation is duje, bring it together.

So here he's saying, why do you talk about the second link of the wheel of life? Why don't you call it karma? Why do you call it bringing things together?

And that's just one kind of karma. That's a specific kind of karma. What does it bring together?

In this sentence, who can tell me for a hundred dollars? Hasa woke up. What is it bringing together?

In this sentence. Duje, second line means bring it together. The misunderstanding and the result?

No, if I say I'm putting together a dinner, bring her around this way and she's going to sit here for where these two gentlemen have offered their seats. My seamstress is coming. She's 86.

Doesn't it bring together the jayjaks? I want it in this sentence. Nakey jayjak.

Nah, give me from the second line. Which ones? Oh, shipa and the lay and duje?

No, the land, I don't know. I'm not offering anything. The land of shipa.

Is that right? Yangsi. Oh, yangsi.

Yeah, yangsipa, the land of yangsipa, right? Rebirth. Rebirth, okay.

Yangsipa. Yangsipa means your rebirth. Numbar dujepa means what brings it together.

What cooks up your rebirth. What brings together your rebirth. So, what he's saying is karma is a general word, but bringing the energy which brings things together is a better word for bringing together...

Rebirth. When you're specifically talking about karma that brings together a rebirth, why don't we focus on the word sanskara rather than the word karma? That's going to be his theme for the whole day.

Darshan Pajamas, how are we supposed to understand that? Like, hey, don't you guys want to know more about this? Of course we don't, but he's going to tell us anyway.

Okay, thank you. All right, please. You're going to read one more, and then you're going to torture somebody else.

Okay. Jikhe du do de shen le, tomden de kyi du che ngepar dujepa dewe na, du che ngewar lenpe, pungpo tento she sung so. Good, good.

What's do de shen? Other scriptures? Yeah, other sutras.

Yeah, it's mentioned in other sutras. Because Lord Buddha... tomden de literally means what?

Yeah, what's that Sanskrit?

[Speaker 3]
Bhagavan.

[Speaker 1]
He said, because things are brought together... Okay, all right. Because things are brought together.

All right. Because produced things are brought together. It's a pun.

Du che with B-Y-E-D is the past tense. Du che with B-Y-E-D is the present tense. Because composed things are composed.

Okay. Because composed things are composed. Because things brought together are brought together.

By the way, Sugeng, a hundred dollars for the triple A scholarship fund. What's the triple A scholarship fund? Do you guys know?

His three kids all start with A.

[Speaker 3]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
What... So in the first line, next to the last word, it says du che. Not the one we're talking about now, okay?

When it's an S, you stretch it out. Du... A.

Okay? When it's a D, you cut it short. Du che.

Okay? So from now on, you're going to say these two words differently. In the second line, it's du che.

In the first line, it's du che. Okay? Now, a hundred dollars for the triple A scholarship fund.

Even though they're not all going to school. Oh, they are. In Korea, right?

Du che. What is du che when you fill it in? What's the full phrase du che?

Du che is the last two syllables. Du che kye le? No, I want the words before it.

Marik bak ken... Marik bak... You're hurting my ears.

That means du che. That means du che. Oh man, you're really hurting my ears.

gyu ken gyi du ne chepay chu Oh, it comes about by the convening of causes and conditions? Yeah, that's the meaning of du che. Du che means collected, right?

And what collected together to produce things?

[Speaker 3]
Causes and conditions.

[Speaker 1]
The seed of the tree. And then the fertilizer, the soil, the water, the sunlight, okay? And can you say the full Tibetan again?

Say again? Can you say it? gyu gen du ne chepay chu Yeah.

That thing which is produced by the coming together of causes and conditions. It's the definition of du che with an S, okay? du che Then this is du che.

Du che, okay? So he's saying you bring together, produce things. You produce, produce the things, okay?

Factors produce things. Factor is du che with the D. Producing is du che with the S.

[Speaker 3]
Can you call them products? Can they produce things?

[Speaker 1]
You could call them produce things products, yeah. And then you could call du che producers. We can call them factors right now, okay?

So he says, why do we call these guys producers or factors? Well, they bring together the parts for your nye war lenpay pumpo. Nye war lenpay pumpo.

What's pumpo? They collect the collections, the heaps. Yeah, the five parts of a human being.

If you want to make it easy translation in English, you can say body and mind. English, we don't say body. In English, we say body and mind.

We don't say your five parts or something. In Buddhism, you have to say five parts, okay? So, nye war lenpay pumpo.

Now, he says, who's the du che of your nye war lenpay pumpo? The producing, the result, right? Yeah, what Buddha's referring to here is, oh, he's talking about the parts of you that you take on at birth.

He uses the word, what brings it all together? Du che, okay? What brings it all together when you take on nye war lenpa, new parts when you're reborn, okay?

What brings it all together when you take on a new birth, okay? Does that give you a clue why he would want to use du che instead of karma when he's talking about the wheel of rebirth, got it? Isn't that cool?

Okay, why did Buddha call the second link of the wheel of life, brings it together, rather than karma? Because when the Buddha talked about rebirth, he used the word, he didn't use the word karma. He used the word energies which bring it together, okay?

Tathagata, he did not use the word karma. So, when you're emphasizing the energies that bring about, that bring together your body and mind in a new birth, he called them, Buddha called them, sanskara, he did not call them, le, he didn't use the word karma. Now, for ten dollars, after a sanskara has sanskara-ed something, what do you call it?

After something is sanskara-ed, what do you call that thing? Like the birth that, the body and mind that were created by your sanskaras. What do you call it?

Duche. Now, I want the Sanskrit. I'm going home now.

Sanskrit? I'm going to a restaurant. Sanskrita?

Sanskrit.

[Speaker 3]
Sanskrit.

[Speaker 1]
Sanskrit is the British colonial guys. Never mind what I think about them. These thugs, you know what thug means?

Yeah, it's like, well, anyway. Sanskrita. Sanskrita means well put together.

San means well, karta means put together, as is the required joiner. So, sanskarta means well put together. And then the British guys, they called it sanskara.

Okay, sanskara. So, your body is what, Sagan? Your body and mind is?

The duche. Sanskrita, well put together. By what?

By the factors, by the duche. Good. Your body is sanskrita by the sanskaras.

And Buddha wants to use those words rather than karma. Now, why would he want to use a word for rebirth, or putting together your body and mind ready for a new life? Why would he want to emphasize the word bring together rather than karma, which means to make?

I mean, isn't your body made? You get a new mind and body which is made by your past karma, right? Why is the Buddha so stuck on, no, no, I don't want karma.

I want to call it sanskara when we're talking about bringing together your body, mind, and the new birth. I think he wants to emphasize on the process, on the trigger by the previous link and triggering the next link. Let's keep going because today's reading is all about that.

Okay. And it's very deep, and you don't see this in later books. This is unique to your book, and it's awesome.

Not that you're awesome, but the book is awesome. Yeah, definitely. All right, let's go to the next sentence.

Now, you have the right to pick on somebody else. Terrible. Okay, let me have a look.

Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Let me check.

Ah, I like Mr. Haggerty. Oh, sorry. You are in Sedona, right?

Yeah. Okay. Oh, you're going to pick on Haggerty.

The bodyguard. We love the bodyguard. Did a good job.

It looks scary. You look masculine. We're biking.

Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Two?

[Speaker 1]
So now we're on this theme of referring to our body and mind as nyerwa namba means what?

[Speaker 3]
Bring it together.

[Speaker 1]
Brought together. It means like tongue word, right? Take off a body to take on.

Right. Which was Duce. Factors?

Yeah, created by factors. So, what was actually taken on through factors. That's why it's put together here.

Shenle means, in other references, in other sutras, the Buddha refers to it as the sok druk, which we have many times in words text. The six? The six consciousnesses?

The collection of six consciousnesses. The collection of six consciousnesses. I, ear, nose.

Okay. Six consciousnesses. But here he doesn't say consciousness.

He doesn't say nam she, which is what they always say. He trades it out. He puts it in this word sem pa.

Not sem. Sem pa. What's that?

Thinking. Yeah, movement. Yeah.

Oh. Word, what's the Sanskrit?

[Speaker 3]
Chitta? Chaita.

[Speaker 1]
Chaita. Chaita is sem chung. Can you look it up, word?

I forgot what it is. Chitta. Sem pa is chitta, no?

Sem pa is chitta? Yeah, I'll take a look. Chetana.

It's chetana. Chetana. The minder.

The minder, okay? Okay, thank you. So, for one thing, the root of the word mind in Sanskrit, what is the word mind in Sanskrit?

What do you call bodhisattva mind? Bodhichitta. So chitta.

Chitta means mind. And then in words text, we had a long presentation about upachit. What's that?

The collection. Akbar? Your mind is a collection of karmic seeds.

In the mind-only school, your mind is a collection of karmic seeds. So therefore, we could refer to the mind itself as chitta, the collection. So in Sanskrit, the standard word for mind is chitta.

But it's a pun on the word upachit, which means to collect stuff. Because, especially in the mind-only school, it's a collection of seeds. Here it's chetana, which means brings things together.

Sound familiar? Okay. Brings groups together.

He's on that theme. We don't have the Sanskrit of this book. But if you know Sanskrit, you can see the puns from the translation.

Okay, cool. So Buddha, in other circumstances, referred to factors as those things which bring together the collection of six, rather than the collection of five. What's that mean?

It includes the mind? Yeah, five was the five heaps, right? Body and mind.

Six is the six consciousnesses, okay? But still, there's this idea of bringing them together, bringing together a collection. Either your body and mind bringing it together, or bringing together your six awarenesses, okay?

There's another thing here. What is semba according to the fourth chapter of Stanley's book? It's the foundation of all karma, of the world.

Say chitendra, it's okay. Say lele, chitendra, that's okay. That's okay.

You got to sing it, okay? Let's try it again. Lele, chitendra, that's okay.

[Speaker 3]
Lele, chitendra, that's okay.

[Speaker 1]
That's the opening lines of Vasubandhu. Who wrote the Abhidharmakosha?

[Speaker 3]
Vasubandhu. This guy. This guy.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and he says the definition of raw karma is? Any movement of the mind. Any movement of the mind.

So here, notice, Sugen, they're not talking about namsa-tsultrim, which is normal. They changed it to semba-tsultrim. Which means what?

Six kinds of... Collection of six kinds of? Minds.

Movements. Movement of the minds. Mental karma.

Raw karma. Raw karma. Then, raw karma and verbal karma are products of raw karma.

First you think to kill somebody, then you move your hands. So raw karma is mental. So now he's talking about, look, you want another idea about this parts of you taken on, put together?

Well, the movement of the mind is putting them together. And he's playing with us because that's the definition of karma. So he's basically saying, look, when I speak about sanskara, when I talk about the energies which bring your body and mind together in a new birth, what I'm actually talking about is the movement of the mind, which creates, which is raw karma.

Okay? Cool? What is raw karma?

[Speaker 3]
Misunderstanding.

[Speaker 1]
No, what triggers that? The misunderstanding? Yeah, misunderstanding.

Okay, misunderstanding. In the Wheel of Life teaching, not understanding the person you want to kill is why you want to kill them. If you understand, like today we got passed very dangerously by some, you know, I call them, well, anyway, I can't say.

People with a big truck. And very dangerous. They passed us very dangerously.

So if I don't understand where they're coming from, then I will yell, I will do karma. So, not understanding where... And by the way, I controlled myself.

I kept all five fingers down. I was really tempted. But also Jigme thinks I'm weird when I do that.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so that intention, that movement of the mind is the karma. It's raw karma. And then it triggers mental and physical karma.

In the next moment. So now he's gone from sanskara and he's taking it over to chetna, which means to think to do something is raw karma. But don't forget we're in the second link of the Wheel of Life.

We're still in the second link of the Wheel of Life. We're interested in karma from the point of view of what will you do if you don't understand that the guy in the truck is coming for you? Okay.

If you don't understand that he's coming for you, what will that lead you to do? And that's the discussion today. All right, I think you should make Hagrid do another one.

Yes, please. It's a short one.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, start here.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, Jitthar. Jitthar ne le kyi yang dripa? Yang sipa.

Oh, sipa.

[Speaker 1]
The R is silent after S.

[Speaker 3]
Yang sipa nyompar dukye sena?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and chetna means what? At the end of a sentence. You may ask.

You may ask. They don't have question marks in Sanskrit. Did you notice?

So they say blah, blah, blah, blah if you ask. So if you ask, and then you have to go backwards. Ask backwards.

Jitthar ne le, how is it that karma, le kyi, and I corrected both the carving, okay? How is it that karma dukyes your yangsi? How does karma dukye your yangsi?

Bring together your rebirth? Good, nice, good, good, good, good, good. How does karma bring your rebirth together?

And why he used karma here, I don't know. It's been difficult. So the whole theme today is how does what you did before assemble your body and mind in a new birth, okay?

And that's why we're going to emphasize the assembling in the second week, okay? All right. I think you should do one more.

It's so short. All we heard was haggardy. I think, did you pay up your Singapore going under the red light tax?

Oh no, sorry. I'm in Indonesia, so you can blame it on the infrastructure here. Sorry.

We have to pay a tax. Did you know that? Okay, I like it.

Those big trucks probably have to pay more. So, Sugeng, a minute. I'm going to ask you, since you're a real-life expert, what does sundepa mean?

What does sundepa mean? And I'll give you a clue. Links number eight and nine are what do it.

To empower, or I forgot the term we use. Nowadays I'm using enable, okay? So, at link number two you have fresh karma that was just planted.

Like you did use your special finger for the truck guy. And then at link number ten, that karma is fully charged and ready to create another truck guy for you. And between two and ten, there are two forces which charge the karma.

It's like putting water on a watermelon seed. And those are desire. Basically, very, very sexy, very interesting.

Eight and nine are two kinds of misunderstanding seeds. The food that makes karmic seeds grow is misunderstanding them. If you want to put nice, happy sunshine and warm rainwater on your negative seeds, just don't study.

And don't come to Mixed Nuts. And that will feed the seed. That will water it.

That will make it grow better. You know what I mean? Okay, so this DEPA is a very important word here, Sugo.

It can mean to plant a seed. We say SON DEPA, SON DEPA, S-O-N. It can mean to plant a seed.

But it can also mean to charge a seed up. To charge a seed which is already planted and to get it ready to give a result. It's like a chicken laying on an egg.

Okay. All my students say, where is that? Gong Jo, they say.

It's like a chicken sitting on an egg. Misunderstanding a seed is like being a chicken. And then the seed is like the egg.

And when you sit on it, you make it grow faster. By misunderstanding how seeds work, you make all your seeds grow faster. But what's the opposite of that?

[Speaker 3]
Understanding a seed.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the more you understand it. Yeah, good seeds. Good seeds get stronger the more you understand it.

I'm talking about bad seeds. Okay, good question. You want to pick on somebody else again?

This guy's boring. Okay, let's get Lindsay Jilk. She's gonna crush this one.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Yeah, good.

[Speaker 1]
Means, what does it mean? How are they charged? How do they get charged?

Or it can mean, how do they get planted? Okay, we don't know what's the object. In the stream of your awareness, which streams on without stopping, even when you die, it keeps streaming.

In the stream of your awareness, at the very beginning, at the very beginning, the sovereign joke. Joke means planted, okay? So what's sovereign joke?

Seeds. Planted into the seeds, right? Yeah, the seed is planted in the mind at the beginning of the process, okay?

So, where does trouble come from? When the seed is inserted into the consciousness, then the trouble starts. Then the seed cooks and cooks and cooks, and then it comes out, and then the guy hits your car or something.

Okay, like that. Got it? By the way, could this tokpa nyi, it's possible it could mean at the beginning of time.

What do you think?

[Speaker 2]
What beginning of time?

[Speaker 1]
Good, good answer. Okay, tokpa nyi can mean the very beginning of everything. But we don't even believe that.

So, it just means at the very beginning. first you yell at the guy in the truck, that's tokpa nyi. That's the beginning of the whole bad cycle.

All right, now, this text is super sexy because, relentlessly, Vasubandhu goes deeper. Just to see if you understand one thing, he goes deeper. And it's like swimming after some guy without an air tank.

And he's going deeper, and you're like, God, I don't know if I can do that. And he's going deeper, and you're like, Okay, I'll keep going. So, he shifts gears here.

If you're sensitive to the Sanskrit, he's shifting gears. He's going deeper and it's kind of scary. It's kind of uncomfortable, actually.

Okay, here we go. Who's reading? What is it?

Lindsay, please.

[Speaker 2]
Cool. The second syllable, the B, does that make, is it a W noise or what's that one?

[Speaker 1]
It's sabun. That's a great. Sabun.

[Speaker 2]
One more time.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's a great.

[Speaker 2]
Sabun.

[Speaker 1]
Sabun.

[Speaker 2]
Sabun. Okay. She jawa ni she na nu pe je rak yin no.

[Speaker 1]
She rak yin no. She rak.

[Speaker 2]
She rak yin no.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. So, in general, you can think of all the forces or energies in the universe, okay? Just imagine all the forces or energies in the, you know, the gravity, electricity, the weak force, the strong force of atoms, and then imagine all those forces, and among them, one is called sabun.

Oh, okay. What's that? Weak.

Are they seeds? Yeah, one of them is called seed. There's many energies or forces in the universe, and one of them we call seeds.

Okay. Now, it's cool. You never see anybody do this.

One of them, one of the energies in the universe is called seeds. Okay. Keep going, Sugeng.

Next sentence. What's that mean, Sugeng? Oh, wait.

Yeah. When you say energies of the universe, what kind of things are you talking about? Okay.

What kind of thing are you talking about when you say energy? Okay. And then his answer is very short and very deep.

You have to really appreciate how deep it is. Energy means causal force. Energy means causal force.

Okay. If you think about it, there's no such thing as any energy, except in terms of a cause that makes something else happen. And that's the definition of energy.

If you think about it, that's what energy means. Energy means one thing can push another. And that's the meaning of the word energy.

So he says all energies are causal energies. Any causal thing. Anything that makes another thing happen is an energy.

Okay, that's all. Okay. Okay, sure.

Wow. Cool. Now he goes, definitely he's swimming deeper.

And it's so fun to go with him. Okay. Here we go.

So this is the end of my attempt. So you want to... Yeah.

I'll take the plane. Thank you, Sugeng. I love to do all of your work.

You are very unusual, Mixed Nut. I'm sorry. But you should know Yeye Agong appreciates it.

What do you call that? In Indonesian? Agong?

Kake. Kake. Kake, yeah.

I'm not kaka, kake. Okay. Kake means grandpa.

So perna.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Pick on somebody, Sugeng. I think Vimalai is around, right? Oh, she's very close to me.

I have eyes telling me. You're going to start in the back. Yeah, you got to sit.

You're in the hot spot. Geshe-la, presenting you Apui from Jambi and the Wife.

[Speaker 3]
Hey.

[Speaker 1]
They are the one who gave the red packet, the fake one, when we were there a few months ago for your birthday. Aren't you excited to see Aunty Sha translating again in Medan? Okay.

Do it loud. Okay. If you want to, you can use the cursor.

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Back here. Say it.

Don't use your tongue. Hold your tongue down. Nice.

Okay. Said he might want to talk to you some more. Okay.

For example, dru means grain, right? Like corn or wheat or rice. The debu means the product of grain or the result of grain.

It has... There are kens that make the grain grow. Ken what?

Yeah, factors, as opposed to main components. So factors that help the grain grow. The particular different factors.

By the way, when you say main seed, you don't say different ones. When you say different ones, you must be talking about the factors. Sunlight, water, fertilizer, okay?

The farmer's hands. These are all factors, but they're usually plural. Okay, so these different kinds of factors.

And I'll give you guys $30 if you can tell me why, as a factor for the growth of rice, for example, why does he repeat two different words for dirt? Because sashi means... Sashi and tawa.

This tawa means dirt, right? It's not press and deco, okay? The earth itself and fertilizer or something?

No, you started out good and you went downhill. Yeah. Yeah, the whole sashi, buki, junshi, okay?

Sashi, the whole earth, the surface of the earth. So he starts out with sashi, the surface of the earth, and then the tawa on the sashi. Yeah, the soil.

Soil on the surface of the earth. But the surface of the earth also provides a factor for the growth of rice. The fact that there's a planet is helpful if you want rice.

All right, good. So good, we got that. Nobody won the bet, right?

Can I say? Right. Venerable Gyatse put it in the chat box.

10 bucks. What was it? 30?

She has a black hole and I have a black hole. Her black hole is called her health problem. Chu means what, Sugun?

Water? Yeah, now, tun ne is the first part of tun ne dupa. Oh, the dependence.

I can say reliance. Reliance. Thank you, Niki, for your love.

Relying on the planet, relying on the earth, relying on the water, etc. Sunlight from the labor of the farmer. Then something will grow in the number of anyuku.

Anyuku. The green? The sprout.

Something will grow in the form of a sprout, okay? And as opposed to the cans, right? As opposed to the factors in the growth of the rice, what's the gyu?

The seed, the rice itself. The grain of rice itself from the past year's crop. Okay, good.

And so, he's trying to get us used to the difference between a contributing cause and a... We call it the cause in philosophy. It means the thing which turns into the rice.

The substance which actually turns into the rice, okay? So, the thing which actually turns into the rice, he says, I want you to learn to call was. Sabun?

Sabun, Sanskrit? Bija. Bija, yeah.

And there's many important uses of bija in yoga. The seed syllables of the different chakras. These are called bija.

Here you see the other way, okay? All right, now here comes a weird one. Do you want Vimala to keep going?

Her mom is here and she could show off. Yeah, why don't we get Rose to read?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I think she has a neck problem. She's going like this. I think Vimala...

I'll read one. Vimala represents... Thank you, Sugeng.

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
su-pa-de-ni-ke-sar-mar-po-gyur-way-gyuy-no-gyuy-no nopo? nopo, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Wait, hold your tongue. Don't let your tongue touch the top of your mouth. nopo.

nopo. nopo. nopo, you know.

Okay. This is a really weird, difficult example, and maybe Sugeng, you could check, or you could have our nerd call the word. Check it.

Madhulunga means... Basically, you think of it as a lemon, okay? So they're using the Sanskrit, Madhulunga.

Citron or lemon. je-bu-gyu-kyi-me-tok Anybody can guess that? je-bu-gyu-kyi-me-tok The flower, the...

The fruit which comes out of the flower, which streams forth from the flower of the Madhulunga. Yes, reverse it. Yeah, the flower which will lineage into the fruit.

And I didn't know that. I mean, my wife taught me that like 10 years ago. We have pomegranate bushes, and our friend from Damascus named Noor, she's got to have the pomegranates.

So Veronica taught me you got to take care of the flowers. If the flower survives, it will become a pomegranate. If it stays on the tree, it will become a pomegranate.

So they're talking here about the flower which is going to flow into the fruit. Okay, the flower which is going to transform into fruit. And it's very beautiful to watch the flower harden up and then become a pomegranate.

Okay, let's go. Gyatke, gyatke means a lac, juice, L-A-C. That's the sap of a special tree in India.

And if you harvest the sap, it preserves wood for many years. And the British called it... Lacquer.

Lacquer, okay. I saw it comes from this tree, that's amazing, I didn't know. These are all painted with lacquer to protect the wood and to keep it from spoiling.

So anyway, there was a big trade in it. It came from India and it was a good business to collect lac. So he says, if you take the kuwa, what's kuwa, you guys?

The juice, the essence. Yeah, if you take lac juice and you smear it on a flower which is going to turn into a lemon. If you take lac juice and smear it on a flower which is supposed to turn into a lemon, instead, that flower will create a snake tree.

Ooh. So if you do some chemical transformation of the result, then, sorry, of the cause, then the result will be different. If you mess with the seed, you get a different plant.

Okay, so try to get the... Nick, you have a question? Oh no, I was going to say that's about time, or time's up.

Okay, but get this in your head for next time, okay? Is it possible to do manipulation of the seed to get a different result? That's the idea.

Like it's a genetic messing with the seed and then create a different result. That's what they're suggesting. And on an India level, this book was written 1,700 years ago.

And this is genetic manipulation, okay? Like put this juice on this flower and then instead of growing a lemon tree, you're going to get a snake tree, which is just some kind of, it's like, what do they call this around here? The prickly, unpleasant tree.

M. Mesquite. Mesquite, yeah.

Okay, okay, we're done again. You helped.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Geshe-la.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, guys. Thank you very much. The next, I guess, I assume the next few paragraphs, right, Geshe-la?

Let me mark this first. Okay, and let me see. One, two, three, four, five.

I want you to do the next five. All right, Geshe-la. All right, and congratulations on all your programs there in Medan.

And it sounds like you're doing really well. And thank you. I know who does the real work.

Yes, beside me, they are beside me. Yeah. Quick announcement.

This is just for the people at the tower. If you guys want dinner, Noor kindly asks you to please let her know by two so she can get you something, okay? So just let her know.

Thank you. So today we just pray, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just maybe a mo is in order or something.

There's leftovers in the fridge. But it'd be helpful for Noor if you'd tell her ahead of time. And if you see Maitri's father around, you should thank him for paying for all the dinners.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you, St. Jason. Thank you. Father?

[Speaker 1]
Thank you for classes again, that was beautiful. Thank you for, Geshe Michael's had a cold this whole time and he's really taxing his voice and he's doing it for us. Thank you very much, Geshe Michael.

As it's online, you don't get the boogers directly. See you in five minutes. Five minutes?