Стэнли Чен — Книга 2: Красноречивые слова о сути океана высшего знания (Гьялцаб Чже о «Своде высшего знания» — Абхидхарма-самуччае), занятие 4

[Говорящий 1]
OK, ready? Are the translators ready? Yeah?

OK. Thank you. OK, thank you, guys.

OK, welcome back, everyone. Is the Chinese translation OK? Can you hear me now?

OK. OK. Now it's one in the afternoon in the U.S. It should be one in the morning in Asia. It's quite late in the morning in Europe. Welcome to today's project on the Pagoda. The course on the Pagoda.

The next one hour is Q&A time. Let me briefly introduce myself. My name is Stanley Chen Tang.

I'm also one of the 12 members of the Translation Team. The books I translated in the past were mainly focused on the books on Abhidharma. There were books on Abhidharma and Abhidharma-Zaji.

They were all about Abhidharma. So if you have any questions about this topic today, please feel free to ask me. Of course, any other questions, whether it's about other books, or about your own practice, or your learning of these classics, or anything you want to ask, or want to share, you're welcome to do so.

I'll do my best to share. Okay. If I speak Chinese too fast, please let me know.

Let me see if there are any questions. I'll open the chat now. Okay.

Okay. Let's start. Let's see if there are any questions.

You can... It doesn't have to be now. If you have any questions later, you can leave them in the chat area.

Okay. Let me see. Okay.

Let's start with Luka's question. Luka's question from the past. In Abhidharma's teachings, the world is categorized.

There are many ways to categorize the world. The existence of the world is categorized. We have to categorize the whole world, the whole human being, the whole life, not just the human being, but also other living beings.

We have to categorize the existence of human beings. This is what Abhidharma is good at. There are several ways to categorize the world.

The first one is Wuyun. Wuyun means collection. So there are Wuyun, there are twelve states, there are eighteen realms, and so on.

There are different ways to categorize the world. But we are talking about the whole world. You can say that.

In Wuyun, there are five parts. Se, shou, xiang, xing, shi. Se, shou, xiang, xing, shi.

These are the five parts. Se, sometimes we don't say this in Chinese, Se Fa. Fa means all the trees.

Se Fa means all the things in Se Yun are called Se Fa. Then there is Shou Yun, there is Se Shou Xiang Yun, Xing Yun, and Se Shou Xiang Yun Shi Yun. You can understand it as five, five big collections, five big collections, five big piles of things.

It's like putting all the leaves together. It's a Yun. But in a Yun, there are actually many, many different parts that can be disassembled.

The question that Luca asked is about Xing Yun. Because the other few are relatively easy to understand from the text. Se Yun refers to the matter of matter as Se.

Se is also divided into Xing Se and Xing Xing Zhuang. One is Yan Se. Yes.

Se is also divided into Xing Zhuang and Yan Se. Shou is divided into Hao De Gan Shou, Guo Hao De Gan Shou, Zhong Xing De Gan Shou. Xiang can also have different categories.

Xiang is the difference, the meaning of the difference. Think separately. Then to Shi, it can be divided into, for example, it can be divided into six kinds of Shi.

Six kinds of Shi. Yan Shi, Er Shi, Bi Shi, Shen Shi, Yi Shi. But what about Xing?

This is a bit interesting. This Xing, why is it called Xing Yun? Does it mean our behavior?

Or what does it mean? In Chinese, it's called Xing Yun. But in English, it's relatively simple.

It's more straightforward. It's called the heap of others. Everything else is called Xing Yun.

So the Xing here, to some extent, you can understand it as all other things becoming Xing. It has a deeper connotation. But the first layer is easier to answer.

All other things other than color, color, all can be put here. For example, what can be placed here in Xing Yun? Can anyone come up with an example?

Today I'll be talking about many examples in Xing Yun. I'll be talking about the introduction of Genkidai and how it interacts with the Skies. So on and so forth.

The concept of what can be placed in Xing Yun The most important concept is that all wise practitioners need to understand the most important concept, which is closely related to everyone. For example, we have the Vietnamese Tim, Jessica, and Natalia. We think about what we want and what we don't want every day.

The second most important concept is seeds. Seeds are not material things, but they are not food. My world, my friends, the books I read, everything I experienced, and everyone in front of me, my world, can all be put into the realm of color, into the realm of earth, and become a part of the five elements.

In today's lecture, we talked about interdependence, which is the most superior and best way to enter the realm of emptiness. When Buddha first taught the Sutra, he talked about the five elements, the twelve causes and conditions. From this point of view, we are already in the realm of emptiness.

What does this have to do with our five elements? If everything is related to each other, including me and my world, from this point of view, the world and everything in the world, the many people gathering together to learn about the Pagoda on the Internet, are all part of the realm of color. My world is all related to each other.

Its root is in my individual seed, which created everything. You can think about why I am here today. What is my cause and effect?

As a Buddhist, or as a classical scholar, not necessarily a Buddhist, but a classical scholar, this is a very meaningful thought. Why am I here? What am I doing?

What does my world have to do with me? What does my people have to do with me? My friends, my community, my company, my family.

My country, my world, and so on. What does it have to do with me? You can think about it.

Let's move on to the next question. Next question is from Jessica. Can you share how specially we should do in the debate section?

Could you give us an example? Thank you so much. Jessica asked if we could show how to debate.

Could you give us an example? I need a debate partner. Is there anyone who can be my debate partner?

It's better to speak in Chinese this time, because I speak Chinese, so it's easier for everyone to translate. I can't recommend others. I recommend myself.

Does anyone volunteer?

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Yeah, I want to try.

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Who's talking?

[Говорящий 2]
This is Jessica.

[Говорящий 1]
Jessica, oh. Thank you for that. Let me see if I can get a Chinese, because then the language will be easier.

[Говорящий 2]
Sorry, I'm sorry.

[Говорящий 1]
But thank you. I'm waiting for Prince Charming. Shijun, right?

Shijun, can you be my debate partner? I have a question. Is there anyone?

Sorry, I didn't hear you. I have a question. You have a question?

Let's wait for a while. I have to answer a question about how to debate. I thought you were going to be my debate partner.

Yes, I want to try to be your debate partner, but I should be wrong. Oh, okay. It's okay, just answer some of my questions.

Okay. Sometimes there are two people in a debate partner. I don't know if I can ask Shijun to be my partner.

Okay. In general, the typical way of debating is one-on-one. In the traditional sense.

In the traditional sense, it's one-on-one. So before the debate, you have to define the role first. One is the questioner and the other is the answerer.

Usually, the questioner is more tired. You have to think about a lot of questions to attack the answerer. But the answerer will be more stressed because he has to answer the right question.

Otherwise, everyone will think that in the debate, there is something that is fun for everyone. You should feel ashamed of yourself. But if you answer correctly, everyone will get excited.

So you can be the audience. If Shijun answers a ridiculous question, everyone will make fun of him. Like making fun of a bride.

Make fun of him. But this is a kind of expression of love. I will speak slowly.

Shijun, let's speak slowly together later. But the real debate is very fast. Very fast.

The level is very intense. Okay. Someone wants to point out the freedom of speech debate.

Okay. Let's follow the freedom of speech. I will...

Usually, if you want to have a deep debate, the questioner needs to do one thing. He needs to learn to ask questions. Because you have to force...

You are an attacker. You have to force the answerer to the corner. Let him make a wrong answer or let him recognize your point of view.

Okay. This is my goal. By the way, the questioner's questions may not always be right.

He may use his wrong point of view to help each other learn. So Shijun needs to be careful. What I say may not always be right.

Okay. But in the process of freedom of speech debate, we will benefit from each other. Okay.

Basically, the answerer has to follow a rule. The answerer has to follow a rule. First, you can't ask me back.

If you don't agree, you can't ask me back. Second, most of the time, you just need to say yes or no. Unless I want to ask you...

I want... I want to give you a chance to express your point of view. Only then can you express your point of view.

Okay. So the answerer has to follow the questioner closely. has to follow the questioner closely.

You can't say I want to take your point of view. I want to say what I want to say. What you have to do now is defending.

I'm on the offensive side. You're on the defensive side. You can't make a move.

Only I can make a move. But if you defend well, I can't attack you. Basically, I lose.

There are many specific rules and principles. But today, we will simply demonstrate. Okay.

Let's start. Thank you, Shijun. Okay.

The first question is... I guess Mr. Shijun has never heard of free will. I disagree.

You disagree? You mean you've heard of it? I agree.

Okay. I guess you don't understand. I agree.

You really don't understand? Let me teach you. Free will means that anyone can decide what they want to do and what they don't want to do.

At any time, at any place, anyone can decide what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Do you agree? I disagree.

You mean free will doesn't exist? Or you don't agree with my definition of free will? Or...

You think free will exists, right? Yes, I agree. But you just don't agree with my definition of it.

I agree. So you mean... Okay, now the questioner is going to attack.

You mean... Shijun, you have free will, but you can't decide what you want and what you don't want to do. I disagree.

Okay, so you mean Shijun can decide what he wants and what he doesn't want to do. I disagree. You disagree.

You think Shijun can decide what he wants and what he doesn't want to do. But you also think Shijun can't decide what he wants and what he doesn't want to do. I agree.

For instance, now you can decide you can't decide how to answer it. Do you agree? OK.

So tomorrow morning, I'll make an outside comment. At this time, you can use the way of the middle-aged lady, with her point of view, to come up with a ridiculous conclusion and see what she thinks. Then go back to the scene.

So you think you're going to have dinner after this. You're going to have dinner at a restaurant. You can decide what you want to eat.

At the same time, you can't decide what you want to eat. I agree. You agree.

So, free will exists in all times and all places and all situations, right? For you. You can't say free will exists in all times and all places, right?

If it exists, it exists. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

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I disagree. I think it exists in all times and all places.

[Говорящий 1]
OK. In terms of free will, it exists in all times and all places. Right?

I agree. OK. Can you decide when it exists and when it doesn't?

If she thinks too long, as a debater, I'll praise her. Hey, I can't answer it. I love her thinking.

I can praise her for her attention. Can you decide when it exists and when it doesn't? Can you decide it yourself?

[Говорящий 2]
I think I can decide.

[Говорящий 1]
You can decide. So, you have free will to decide when it exists and when it doesn't. In this aspect, you have complete free will.

Yes. OK. Good.

So, I'll repeat what you said just now. You said you have 100% free will to decide when it exists and when it doesn't. I disagree.

Hey, you said the same thing just now. You're contradicting yourself. Let me ask you again.

Do you agree that you have 100% free will to decide when it exists and when it doesn't?

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I don't have 100%. I disagree.

[Говорящий 1]
OK. So, you can't have 100% free will to decide when it exists. I agree.

You agree. OK. So, free will is not completely free.

Because you don't have 100% free will to decide when it exists and when it doesn't. So, it's not completely free. Right?

I agree. You agree. OK.

So, you have 100% free will to decide when it exists I disagree. You disagree. OK.

So, you think you have 100% free will to decide when it exists and when it doesn't. I agree. But free will doesn't exist.

[Говорящий 2]
I agree.

[Говорящий 1]
It's like I have 100% free will 100% free will but sometimes I don't have money I can't buy what I want but my my free will my my free will is absolutely free. It's just that when I go to America I can't buy what I want but my my free will is 100% I disagree. I disagree.

So, you mean 100% means you can have at any time and it's called free will. I agree. For example, in spring this year you don't have enough money to do what you want but in autumn you have free will so can you say I have free will No.

Someone said yes. OK. I agree with you.

I don't think it's possible. Yes. Free will means 肯定是百分百的 Otherwise, it must be 100% 不然就没有限制的话就比较自由 If there is no restriction, it is more free 有时自由,有时不自由 Sometimes free, sometimes not free 那总体来讲你就不是完全自由,对吧 In general, you are not completely free, right?

空性 It's like emptiness 你有时空,有时不空 Sometimes empty, sometimes not empty 有时有些事物是来自于种子的 Sometimes some things come from seeds 有时它是不来自于种子的 Sometimes it doesn't come from seeds 你就不能说它是来自于种子的 You can't say it comes from seeds 同意 I agree 就不能说事物是空的 You can't say things are empty 有时空,有时不空 Sometimes empty, sometimes not empty 你还能说事物是空吗 Can you say things are empty? 不能吧 You can't, right? 对吧,对 Right?

譬如说有时用四步骤有效 For example, sometimes the four steps are effective 有时候用四步骤无效 Sometimes the four steps are ineffective 你就不能说四步骤是有效的 You can't say the four steps are effective 同意 I agree 譬如说 For example 我可以用种子去解决我财富的问题 I can use seeds to solve my wealth problem 但是我不能用种子去解决我学习经典的问题 But I can't use seeds to solve my problem of learning classics 那如果是这样的话 If that's the case 种子就不应该是真正有效的吧 Seeds shouldn't be truly effective 不同意 I disagree 不同意 I disagree 真正有效的意思是不是应该一直都是有效的 Does it mean that something truly effective should always be effective?

同意 I agree 那自由就应该是一直是自由的 Right? Freedom should always be free 同意 I agree 同意,OK,好 I agree, OK, good 所以你的自由是一直都是自由的 So your freedom has always been free 你认为大家都是百分百自由的 You think everyone is 100% free 有这个自由一致的,百分百 100% free 同意 I agree 不论时空、时间、空间 No matter time and space 同意 I agree 所以你现在不觉得你的自由一致是有时自由的了是吧 So you don't think your free will is always free now, do you? 你看,这个时候作为提问者 Look, as a questioner 我顺便也插个话 By the way, let me add something 作为提问者你得记得他之前讲过什么 As a questioner, you have to remember what he said before 你就要拿他之前讲过的话来再次跟他考证 You have to take what he said before and verify it again 因为他之前说过 Because he said before 他的自由一致是有时有有时没有的 His free will is sometimes true and sometimes not 但现在他已经说了 But now he has said 他的自由一致是百分之一百的一直有的 His free will is always 100% 所以你要再问问他 So you have to ask him again 其实某种程度上来讲 In fact, to some extent 这个辩论可以不用再继续进行下去了 This debate can no longer go on 因为我们已经帮助彼此做了一些很清晰的思考 Because we have helped each other to make some very clear thoughts 施君这时候回去一定会好好再想我到底相不相信自由一致了 施君这时候回去一定会好好再想我到底相不相信自由一致了 施君这时候回去一定会好好再想我到底相不相信自由一致了 他自己会去想他自己会去想 你不一定要你这就是经典辩论跟平常辩论有点不太一样的地方 你不一定要你这就是经典辩论跟平常辩论有点不太一样的地方 你不一定要让他同意或者不同意任何事情 你不一定要让他同意或者不同意任何事情 某种程度来讲某种程度来讲 你通过提问就可以让他有新的思考你通过提问就可以让他有新的思考 有新的思考或者对原来自己的思考有新的怀疑就已经是辩论的成果就已经成功了 有新的思考或者对原来自己的思考有新的怀疑就已经是辩论的成果就已经成功了 那我不是要说你是对的我是错的这不是我们要做的辩论方式 那我不是要说你是对的我是错的这不是我们要做的辩论方式 如果是一定要分出跟你对我错那就吵架了 所以一般我辩论到这我已经会换个话题了 我说OKOK四君四君你的自由是绝对自由的 你不是之前所说的有时自由有时没有的 完事了OK下一个话题就好了 OK我们就示范一下谢谢四君 我们就这样简单的示范一下 我觉得总结一下我们怎么去运用 我觉得最好的一点就是你要学会去提问 然后你还能够抓着对方的回答去进一步提问 如果你要真的要训练自己思维能力的话 那同时如果你有个非常好的辩论对手 他很会提问题的那你自然会学到很多 他你都不用想太多他会帮你思考 因为你为了回答他的问题你需要去思考 你会被逼着去思考OK 希望有稍微回答到Jessica的问题 我也不知道这个翻译能翻出多少 因为我们讲得比较快 但是这是一个简单的示范 实际上如果你仔细去看的话经典当中的 大部分的论史 尤其是后人后面的大师所写的 注解经典的一些论史 常常会运用这种辩论的方式 如果你能够在学习当中跟随他们的思路的话 这个是很重要的 你能够跟随思路这些事情是很重要的 如果能够去跟随的话你会发现你对智慧的理解 会越变越清楚 你对自己的思考会越来越清楚 慢慢的这个辩论的思维会变到 你的自我的对话的一部分 因为要想要把智慧 把经典落入到生活当中 就是经典的思维 跟平常自己思维的辩论 每天你都在辩论 我们可以这么说吧 每天其实每时每刻你都在辩论 我做什么不做什么应该做什么不应该做什么 应取什么应舍什么 每天你都在辩论 然后经由这种辩论的方式 经典里面也叫正理 Reasoning 理路或者叫the path of reasoning 就是这是一条路来的 你还要一直走走走走走 然后不断的去选取方向 选一个方向不同会走到完全不一样的地方 如果每天能够去做这样的练习的话 你的思维能力会变得越来越强大 然后你会一直打开 这个reasoning这个正理 或者叫清晰思维 被认为是door to emptiness 通往空性的大门 key to emptiness 理解空性的钥匙 关键就在这里 不然的话你是很难去真正理解空性的 因为你想都想不清楚 是要想清楚是需要练习的 我经常在辩论当中受益的时候 是被问倒的时候 因为我尤其在学习的时候 有很多前辈老师很多同学朋友 他们一问我一个问题我就把我问倒了 或者把我问到我开始有新的思考 这种时候收益是很大的 而且从学习经典的系统上来讲 这种思考思辩辩论 是无法被听闻所替代的 思辩是无法被听闻所替代的 你可以不断的听课 你会由此生起 在阿毕达摩里面讲到 你会有这个听闻会 就是因为听而产生的智慧 Wisdom that comes from listening 因为听而产生的智慧就叫闻会 然后再到思会 文思修的思 思就是因为你个人的思辨思考 自己读书的时候去想 不是听课 你读书的时候跟朋友交流的时候 在开车的时候自己去想这些经典的内容 在坐车的时候自己去想 也会产生一种别种智慧 另外一种智慧叫思会 然后通过文思文思文思文思 不断的去英文叫refine 不断的去提炼 不断的去磨炼你自己的智慧 越磨越清楚越磨越清晰 把错误的磨掉 新的无漏的正确的智慧生起 然后呢 把它带到你的冥想当中 叫修 这里的修文思修的修啊 特质是shamatha的修行 或者vipashyana 就是shamatha或者叫pipashyana的修行 在定中去观智慧 在深度的冥想当中 以这些思辨的内容 作为你的冥想对象 然后因为你的思维极其的安定 也叫静虑你所有的妄念 其他的散乱的思维全部都去掉了 安静下来 然后就像这盏新灯 稳了 这盏灯很稳 然后你看到的东西就非常清楚 大家看到我的灯吗 这是我手机灯 如果手机这样一直晃 平常这就是我们的思维 一直晃一直晃一直晃 很不清楚的 一会儿想动一会儿想息 心猿意马 像猴子一样 一直晃一直晃 你看空性看不清楚的 你看经典没用 一直在晃 但如果你能够定下来 然后再看 一切了了分明 对吧 空性是什么不是什么 什么是元气 什么是因果 什么是今天讲的十世师 它跟唯实师跟中观师有点不同 所有的这些智慧 都会辨别得很清楚 因为你这盏灯很定 然后在定中能够去观智慧 就会生起真正的修慧 文思修的修 然后这个修 修出来的智慧 就是真正的智慧 才是稳定 前面两个文思 都是不可靠的 因为它变得很快 因为你的心在晃 你的心在晃 因为听再多的课没有定 也是不行的 你的心一直晃一直晃 所以我们学习这个经典 要有一个全面的系统 就像任何一个运动员训练 都是全系统训练的 篮球运动员不可能不训练手 不训练脚跟腰 不可能的 因为他全身的动力 足球运动员不可能不练手 虽然他不能用手 不能直接用手 但是他不可能不练手 一定是全方位的 你才能够真正的突破 所以文思修就是一个非常完善的系统 听课听课听课 听完课之后去找事情 辩论辩论辩论辩论辩论 辩完之后自己有了多一些理解了 让心安静下来 然后去定中去思维 去升起定解 惨了我觉得翻译都要疯了 我要是翻我自己的内容 我也会疯掉的 对不起了 在定中升起思维 我们有文字一起配合很好 所以在这个 真正的智慧就会升起了 所以这个文思修 它是有很好的关系的 文思能够帮助修 修也能够帮助文思 文也能够帮助思修 修也能够帮助文修 修也能够帮助听文 这三者 这有点像外面在户外 你要野餐的时候 搭把火三个火柴要堆在一起 相互支持一样 相互支撑 缺一不可 缺一个都会垮掉 这个火就升不起来 这智慧火就升不起来 你要三把柴搭在一起才稳定 所以我们听混合坚果学玄奘 要有听文的时间 不断听听听 这个很重要 而且听文能够驱散烦恼 你烦恼太重 你也没办法有定 东想西想的 想的都是伤害自己 跟伤害他人的东西 那当然也不行 所以要听文听文听文 不断地在脑子里面加入智慧 所以每个月要不断来 听了之后不能停在那 你要自己消化自己琢磨 这个智慧是要靠自己去的 开始要有思 自己去思考 譬如说晚上夜深人静的时候 特别适合思考 十点钟 关上手机 电脑放入手提袋 加入晚安俱乐部 打开你的经典 自己跟经典去相处去思考 晚上特别适合思考智慧的时间 感觉有点像万籁俱寂的时候 一切都安静下来 白天的那种忙碌的 那种刺激 那种各种感官的东西 都全部沉淀下来 安静了 天也黑了 周遭的人也安静下来 然后你的思 就可以发挥很大作用的那些时候 完了之后第二天 你睡了一个好觉 因为你跟经典相处入睡 不是跟老公吵着架睡觉 这两者天差地别 对吧 或者溜头的工作睡觉 跟在经典的讯息当中睡眠 完全不一样 然后睡了一个好觉之后 第二天起来意识更加亲密 好像都刚醒来还没做冥想 已经开始进入冥想状态 因为前天晚上过得特别好 这是有因果的 然后你就做冥想 练习修 把你昨天晚上看到的内容 听课听到的内容 把它带到你的定当中 先让自己意识安定下来 比如说观呼吸观一百次 最近格西老师很爱 让大家先做一百次的观呼吸 因为这个观呼吸 观吸法特别适合 就是对峙那种思觉特别多的人 念头特别多的人 观呼吸是最好的 像那个白骨观 观修自己是骨头啊 别人是骨头 这个对峙太虐了 冥想中一个大的障碍 然后慈心观像修习 慈悲修习 睡受冥想 这种对峙这种称心 整天容易生气发脾气的 就适合多练这个 然后这个观音元 经典里面讲到观音元 观空性观种子 在冥想当中思维这些 就对峙愚痴的 如果觉得自己很笨 像猪一样 要多练这个 想不清楚事情 很模糊 我在讲自己 然后还有一个冥想的很大的障碍 就是忘念特别多 心安静不下来 一听课就是这个 忘念纷飞 安静不下来 那时候就多练这个 熟悉特别适合 让自己的意识能够安静安静 然后你再去思维 去观想那些重要的智慧的内容 你才能够有真正的动静 所以这个 听闻这个玄奘塔的课 跟做晚安俱乐部 再到这个隔日清晨的冥想练习 禅定的练习 文思修是 老师特别的 我觉得老师特别伟大 波波我已经帮你把这个宣传的思路都理了一下 这三者是合一的 你要听课 你要做晚安俱乐部 还要隔天做冥想 缺一不可 然后三者都做的话 这个力量就非常强大 这个经典的火焰就会升起 然后灼烧掉所有的问题 所有的烦恼 然后你的生活就发生翻天覆地的变化 那不是只是来学做学术的 那不是来研究这个学术的 研究书的 我们这个学习经典的动机不在这吧 那个知识是学不完的 这世界上知识那么多 学经典的书那么多 我们是要为了得智慧 去改变生活的 改变自己改变生活的 所以一定要把这些听到的课 跟自己的心 自己的行为 自己的思维方式结合起来 比如今天第一堂课 我们在听宗喀巴大师讲 说有一群 愚痴的 经典学习者 都跟你们讲了一切都是缘起 你们还觉得事物不空 对你们这是无语了 今天不是在讲这个吗 是吧 他不是讲那些不相信缘起的人 他讲那个十四师 就是阿毗达摩金布跟这个维什 这三个宗喀巴大师很多 这三种思维方式的代表人物吧 你可以这样说 他们都相信一切总是创造 一切总是创造 但是遇到问题的时候 还觉得问题是从这边来 那你们听这一课就要去思维了 我是不是这样 比如说 你不要想别人 你要把这个听闻的智慧 跟自心协合 这才叫修行 你修的是自己的心 行的是自己的身 自己的行为 不是别人的 所以要把它结合起来 我是这样的吗 我今天能否做一些改变 我是否能够改变我的思维 我的语言 我的行为方式 然后今天 今朝改 明朝又复原 我们经常都这样 因为心不稳嘛 智慧也没有真正升起嘛 那我就要加强我的别的练习 让我的听闻道的东西 能够真的落到我自己的 五蕴当中 今天不是讲五蕴吗 把它落下来 听一点就改一点 听一点就做一点 立刻做 趁热打铁 听着听着 这个意识就暖和起来了 智慧的火焰还没完全升起 但是已经暖了 身心已经开始暖乎乎的了 一切都是相互衣承的 因此所有都是空的 听了已经觉得 因为这是正理 这是智慧的思维 肯定会让你的身心 更加调和的 更加舒服的 暖起来一点 那就立刻做 立刻去改一点东西 不论是意识上的改 还是语言身体 还是加入到你的别的练习当中 立刻去做点什么 这样每天我们每次来听玄奘的课 就很有意义了 我们的目标不是要成为一个 别人跟你讲这是什么 你就说我学过这个 我听过这个 然后自己不去做了 成为这种我们叫做叫游子 叫就是直接经典的教授 游真的很游 这个翻译很难 叫游子 你跟他讲啥他就说我听过 我听过老师我知道我知道 然后呢可是自己不去做

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他老看别人不看自己

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那到这种情况就很无救了 所以每次来 我们肯定不可能全部听懂 在玄奘课里面 对吧 但是你每次听到一点 你就做一点改一点 升级一点 这就这样厉害了 这就很有意义了 每次听一点 今天你听到什么 因为我今天对我这个 这个冲击很大的就是 中开发大师对这种实事师的 实事师 对这种实事师的这个讽刺 老师说他们 说中开发大师特别强调戒律 要调和身心 不要扰乱他人的身心 不要伤害别人 很强调这个 对他们特别友好 就很少见到中开发大师 这么猛烈讽刺别人 说教给别人 但是他对这些 又觉得自诩觉得 懂这个元气法 但是又不懂空法的这群人 叫实事师 绕口令的 实事师 对这群人的讽刺 对我的冲击很大 我要问自己我是不是这样的 我能不能去避免掉入这样的情况当中 的确是会的 我每个人都有这样的习惯 都有这样的陋习 OK 所以我就延伸讲了一下 怎么去学习这个 这个这个这个 玄奘的课 怎么样能够让 你每次都来 怎么让他发挥最大的效用 听的时候怎么听 最好专注点听 这个我也要忏悔 常常一边听一边做别的工作 的确不好 所以一定要一定要专注听 听的时候专注听 不然你在课上不专注 你在生活上也不专注 听的东西也进不到你的心去 然后听一点 就是改一点 把这个文思修结合起来 尤其是要看自己缺哪一部分 这个文思修 你觉得可能我去听的很多了 但是思辨不多 思辨挺多的 但是自己不够定 没有修得不够 你得自己去 做一个self assessment 自我的去反省一下 然后你每次听都有自我反省 有这种 这种 针对自己的做的功课 取得进步 那每次来就非常非常的 值得了 就用好老师给我们 准备的珍贵的难得的时间了 你也不觉得是听晕的这个问题 因为这个是一个很系统的训练 文类只是其中一部分 而且你在课上能听懂多少 也跟你的思修是有很大关系的 不是课上听就能懂 课上听是因也是果 听这些智慧的教授 会种下新的种子 但是听懂多少 这个果是跟你在课外 做什么事情是有很大关联的 实际上是有因果关系的 当然你听得越多 未来你也会懂得越多 但同时你听了之后 别的做了什么事情 那就要 所以我是觉得 我们来学习悬赞塔 不要把它当作是一种 一种只是 每周的两次的课而已 而是要把它变成一种生活方式 课是整个文思 课是生活方式的一部分 但不只是全部 你听完之后 就要工作了 要生活了 那怎么做呢 怎么去思辨呢 怎么去休息呢 这个是可以结合起来的 OK 好 我们应该还有时间 再做一个 一个问题 看一下大家有没有什么

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老师

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我知道在佩玲举手很久了 好 请说佩玲

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老师你好 我有两个问题 第一个问题 我想问 人类的第一颗种子 是从哪里来的 第二个问题 刚刚老师说 色兽想行使 那个形式 种子是在形式里面 那如果我们说 种子创造一切的话 种子是怎么在形式里面呢 如果说种子创造了色想 种子又怎么是在形式里面

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好 OK 你可以说 种子在行运的时候 它是没有开花结果的 其他四运 那开花结果之后 就变成了其他的五运 你可以琢磨一下 就是在行运的种子 是还没开花结果 然后同时它变成了 色兽想行使 其他的东西的时候 它就开花结果了 但是它都是种子 种子 没有结果的种子 跟结了果的种子 不同而已 时间不同 比如说 这个可以琢磨一下 然后 最后一颗 第一颗种子在哪里 这个就是很值得 去思辨的一个问题了 你可以去找人跟你辩论 就是 譬如说 如果你 你可以问问自己 或者问问你的辩论对手 如果一切都是有因果的 那我今生的第一个念头 的发生 是不是无中生有的 是从石头里面蹦出来的 西游记里面孙悟空也 之前什么都没有 蹦一个孙悟空就出来 还是说它有因 这个因是什么时候种下的 那理应是在果之前种下的

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如果说 如果说我们相信 前世今生的观点的话 那么如果 如果说我们信前世今生 我的第一颗种子 就是由我的前世上面 下来的 我的困惑是 人类 人类第一个种子是哪里来的 那或许像老师说的 我要找一个 一个同伴来 辩论一下

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就是这个思路是可以 沿着去思考的 如果你把我的第一颗种子 搞清楚了 那人类的第一个种子 你应该就搞清楚了 是有关联的 而且人类之外还有别的生命 别忘了 还有动物 而且有些时候动物也是人类 人类也是动物 都是轮换

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那可能再问下去就要问 宇宙中的第一个生命是什么

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对啊 其实是相关联的 如果你能够有很清晰的理路的话 那沿着这个理路 一直走的话 是可以找到答案的 而且在这个过程当中 会破解到很多的误解 譬如说 那如果我的人的第一个念头 是有因的话 那这个因 不可能是我出生之后才种下的 那一定是之前种的 那我第一个误解就 我在学习经典当中 有一个很重要的误解就 得到很大冲击了 就是说 那我为什么会生活在我这个家庭 然后有这样的父母 有这样的遭遇 是我父母决定的 还是我决定的 假设你要赖父母的话 你就很难赖去怪别人 不是父母把你生到这里 是你生了你的父母 就是譬如说这个 这个理路是非常酷的 OK 我看到了这个 人类 人类字典老师出现了 他会 接着这个内容 来给大家讲藏文 讲藏文课 你的课 我知道 我的课 你的课 现在 开始了

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谢谢Stanley老师

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谢谢 酷 明年 你也要教中文了 我中文 不得说好 明年 你又教中文 又教藏文

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我可以 可以

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OK Thank you 再见 OK Thank you Stanley for warming up