Стэнли Чен — Книга 2: Красноречивые слова о сути океана высшего знания (Гьялцаб Чже о «Своде высшего знания» — Абхидхарма-самуччае), занятие 16

[Speaker 1]
So don't hurt me and make my Chinese getting more and more difficult. If your English becomes too good, it will look like my Chinese is very bad. We got two minutes in.

Take your time. Two things. His dog and his daughters.

Hi guys. I didn't see the picture though. I told them if you're late it's because you couldn't control the two controllable objects in your house.

I sent them away. It's just me. Either somehow we cannot hear Nick.

Either he's not standing more nicely. I generally talk really loud. You guys can't hear me?

Now we can hear you. Yeah. Oh, great.

[Speaker 2]
Hi guys. Nice to see you.

[Speaker 1]
Nick, do you have something before I do my thing, homework? If you're ready to go, then I think let's just get on with it. I'm excited.

Weren't you going to announce our raises or something? Raises for everyone. I'm sure, hopefully, again.

Then I'll start my work with a new raise, okay? Raise the bar, Stanley. All right.

Peter, can I project? Okay. I speak Chinese.

Okay. Welcome you all to the scene of our very special Xuanzang Tower class today. Like our host just said, this is the second time that our IR class met with the Xuanzang Tower class.

Gersh Michael designed a very special Xuanzang Tower class for us today. For the two consecutive classes, we'll be talking about the same book. We'll have some special demonstrations from Gersh Michael.

Before we start, let's finish our homework part. First, I would like to show you what are we doing here at Delmar Mountain. So we took this picture yesterday.

It was on site at Delmar Mountain, the IR class. I think a lot of old friends of Delmar Mountain will feel quite refreshing by looking at this picture. We also sparkled a lot of possibilities of Delmar Mountain in the future throughout the process of planning for the IR classes.

We hope we can have more friends coming to Delmar Mountain and to do retreat. This is just the beginning. We invited Bob from Light & Space to come to the site to show us the Delmar Mountain Archeology Project.

So a couple of days ago, we invited the Light & Space company to demonstrate for us their project of building the caves here. So two days ago, many of us here today, we climbed together to the location where the caves in the future will be. This is something that's going in parallel with IR.

We hope we can replicate the Dunhuang Retreat Cave, which has a thousand years of history, to here at Delmar Mountain. Michael called this project Dunhuang West. This is the possibility from the future.

Bob said this is not something that's a very detailed design. But it's a beginning point of our imagination. We can zoom in.

This will be you in the future. Waiting for groceries. Grocery.

Food. Late night dinners. That will be the view from the cave toward the valley.

Very nice imagination. So back to the Xuanzang Tower class today. So the scripture that Geshe Michael is teaching right now is called Abhidharmasamutraya.

It's also coming from the Dunhuang Scripture Preserves Project. This is the cave where we found more than 50,000 scriptures in Dunhuang. Inside this small door on the right.

Very tiny space. About a month ago, our team went there at a very hot season. And this is the original written version for the scripture.

Which will be what Geshe Michael will be teaching today. So the Xuanzang Tower Project and also the Dunhuang Manuscript Protection Project will translate this book into English and also more than Chinese. So quick review.

From what Geshe Michael taught last time. So last class, it was June 29th. Almost three months ago.

So let's quickly review. We're entering a very crucial point. Where at this point, the book will talk about the division of types among all those things in the universe.

It's a very traditional, classic Abhidharma subject. For example, the five heaps. The twelve doors of senses.

Eighteen categories. And the book will go into the division of types of the world from nine different perspectives. Just in this one single short verse.

So quickly, let's review. The first one is du-dao. It means how many.

Can you guess what does this one represent? How many people? Pizza.

Not pizza. It's just how many types of the world we're dividing up. Like the five heaps and the twelve doors of senses are among these.

And teacher. Why? It means why.

So what is it talking about? Why we're dividing up in this way. Nice.

The third one, I'm not so sure. I have to ask Kishmichael. nyen-len, right?

nyen-len. Take it. Nyen-len is sometimes a code word for the skandhas, for the heaps.

You take them on when you're born. Sometimes. Why?

But he's going to explain it today. Great. And zen-lit.

And zen-lit. Definition. Like how we define different heaps, like the senses or the thoughts.

day-nam-shak. Outline. That's fine.

But this doesn't mean... We're going to do it later. Yeah, the whole thing.

Oh, okay. Then I'll just go through it quickly. Yeah, it's okay.

Okay. Okay. And gor-in.

Gor-in. Gor-in. Gor-in.

It means order. Like why it's ordered in this way. dun.

It means meaning. bay. And bay means metaphor.

How to understand these ways of dividing up things through the ways metaphor. The last one. Ye.

Ye-wa. Okay. Ye-wa.

Division. Division is talking... The last one means division.

It's talking about the detail of each different type. I hope we just did a perfect review for everyone to know what just happened. Now we can move into the new subject what Yoshimeko will teach us today.

Thank you, David. Don't close my part. Okay.

Okay. I just got a text. Rob Rossinger, who was the president here for 12 years, he had a very dangerous open-heart surgery this morning.

And I just got the message that it was very successful. And the doctor threatened his wife to send him home on Saturday.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Let's see. Oops, sorry. What is that image?

If you live in the desert, this is like a beautiful fashion model. It's a new water well for the cafeteria. And it went, we call online, it was hooked up today.

Water started coming today. This spring, we think it's connected to Rob's pipes. Okay.

Today, just so, because it's been so long that we couldn't have a class. And that's because I had a very small operation. But I couldn't teach for a few weeks.

So, usually we will have the students read the sentence before. But today I thought it would be different if I read the sentence myself. And then you can hear the correct pronunciation.

Okay. All right. THAR PA'I RTEN TU NYE BA'I NYON MONGS PA'ANG DGOS LA Okay, that's the first sentence.

THAR PA'I RTEN TU NYE BA'I NYON MONGS PA'ANG DGOS LA Let me change this. Is the cursor on? Yeah, they are projecting your whole screen.

So, yes. Chloe, give me a gallery view. Okay, and by the way, we are studying the DONG.

Say DONG. DONG PA means VOW. And Xiaoping's class a few days ago was all about the different numbers of DONG PA.

But DONG has a different meaning without the PA. By the way, we're very lucky today to have Professor Wu, Dr. Wu from University of Arizona. He's a serious and famous scholar of Dunhuang.

So we're very grateful to have him here to watch the amateurs talk about Dunhuang. And I hope he will help us understand more about Dunhuang. And he has agreed to give some talks about his specialty here at Daiwan.

During the upcoming program in October. Okay, and thank you for that. Thank you, Dr. Wu. So THAR PA means what? Moksha. Moksha means freedom.

It's an interesting word because it related to the word mukha. Which means mouth. And it means your mom told you don't open your mouth when you are talking, right?

You eat and talk. The food will get liberation from your mouth. So mukha means open space, free space.

So moksha, dunye nyerwa means if you hope to reach it. nyonmong pang gu, nyonmong means afflictions, negative emotions. The definition in the debate ground, rang gyim deng kyi gangsang kyi ngey she gyu ma shiwa chepay sem jung sempa Any thought which disturbs the peace of mind of the person who has it inside their heart, any thought which disturbs the peace of mind of the person who has it inside their heart, those thoughts are afflictions.

$100 for an English carmate. Clash. Polly.

$100. Who said clash? I think Ben Cramer.

It actually sounds good to me. I'll give you $100. But Word gave the other classical Indo-European root, which is holly, because it's a plant which has a prickly leaf.

We have some on here. So in English, prickly, like some of this cactus is called prickly. So the English word is directly related to the Sanskrit word.

When you have those thoughts in your mind, they prickle, prickly, like cactus. So, when you want to achieve freedom, you will have to get rid of clashes. And for $50, Nick is going to quote the definition of nirvana.

$NYAN GROD MA LA BAR SPANGS PA'I SO SOR DANG NGO So the very definition of nirvana is by Maitreya, given by Maitreya, is when you can eliminate these negative emotions, that's nirvana. Permanently. So that's not the same as enlightenment.

Enlightenment, you go further than that, and you perceive all existing objects. So, what the first sentence is saying is, if you want to achieve nirvana, you're going to have to touch it. Touch it means in their entirety, and I put the English here.

This is not the touch that Tim's book is talking about. That book, touch it, means what? As a genre of literature.

Yeah, dialectic analysis. So, there's a kind of book called touch it. But the pronunciation is slightly different.

This say touch it. Everybody, touch it. Then say touch it.

Hear the difference? First one, touch it. Touch it.

Second one, touch it. Okay, good. Different sound.

The word chuh is different. Okay, so this one means in its entirety. nyenpo ngepa means what are the types of antidotes for the negative emotions?

If you want to get rid of them, you have to shepa. Which means wisdom. Yeah, you know them.

gupa means you must. ngepa means you must. Therefore, the beginning of the line was stated.

He's referring to the dom. Say dom. So dompa means vow.

And dom means a summary of the entire book. So the book we're studying, which was found at Dunhuang, and from the catalog we've been able to put together of the Sanskrit and the Tibetan from Dunhuang, which is difficult to do because the books are spread all over the world, unfortunately. It seems to me there's a Tibetan copy and a Sanskrit copy.

And I'm pretty sure there's a Chinese copy. Chinese, yes, for sure. So the book starts out unusual with the dom, which means a summary of the whole book, in a short poem.

It's actually two poems. We've been working on the first poem. Probably ten years from now we'll reach the second poem.

No, it'll take a couple months. And that poem is a summary of the whole book. So the first word that Stanley talked about in Tibetan, the opening line starts with du dang.

Dong says dom, du dang. So the author said, Hey, you want a summary of the whole book you're about to spend 20 years on? Then he assumes we said yes.

We didn't say yes. Then he says du. He starts the whole book with du.

And it's a very strange way to start a book. Because just by itself, du means how many? Like, if you say Geshe Michael, will you teach a class?

And I say, sure. Then I sit down and I say, how many? It's a very strange way to start a book.

And then he says, and by the way, who wrote the root text? Who was playing with a dog in the street long ago? Asanga.

The dog turned out to be Maitreya. Maitreya taught him. But this particular book is mostly Asanga's writing.

And it helps to start the mind-only school. By drawing it out of the Abhidharma school. Now, there's an interesting question by the ...

The commentator is from 600 years ago. And he says, ye dang she ma mer Why did Asanga start his book with how many? Why didn't he say, let me give you the divisions of the topics that we're going to study?

Then he says, chi wa tsul chi wa tsul chi wa means to ask a question. So, the opening word is a question. You have to scratch your head also when you ...

How many? Two! You have to scratch your head when you read this word.

And then our commentator says, why didn't he just say, I'll tell you the divisions of all things? ma pa la gupa yu te means there's a reason why he did that. He's asking a question about the meaning of ndo.

What's ndo? Sutra. Right?

Okay, jing. So, the opening line is a question about sutra. Okay, feel the difference, okay?

Feel the difference. How many in the sutra? Or, let me give you the divisions.

What's the difference? What's the difference in the feeling? I'll say it again.

He starts his book with a certain style. How many in the sutra? He doesn't say, let me give you the divisions of all things.

Can anybody guess why he used this strategy? At the very beginning of his long book. Maybe to make the student curious.

Anybody else?

[Speaker 2]
To show that it comes from scripture.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe he wants to lead the reader to explore this content. Somebody online gave a good answer.

[Speaker 2]
To show that it came from scripture.

[Speaker 1]
Who said that?

[Speaker 2]
Gyel Tse.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, Gyel Tse. That's correct. Gyel Tse is correct.

He wants to let people know that these are from scripture. You got the $20. They say $20, right?

You didn't say any dollar, but ...

[Speaker 2]
I don't think you said any dollars.

[Speaker 1]
No, that's a $50 answer. Yeah, he ... At the beginning of all the great books, they will say, for example, e ram maya shu tam What's that mean?

Once I heard this teaching. Yeah, I heard this. The implication is what?

I'm not making this up. I heard this from an omniscient being. When that person said ...

started the shing jing ser bu yi kong pongpo yi ser ser ji shi shu kong pongpong ji shi ser he already knows we are going to study it. He's the doctor who decides to operate on your heart because he can see directly you will survive another 25, 30 years if he does it. He's the doctor who decides to operate on your heart you will survive another 25, 30 years if he does it.

He sees the result of the operation before he cuts. So, that's the best kind of book to study. It was designed for you personally.

Okay, so anyway, doy dun means what the sutra meant. la chiwa gu, the question is being asked about referring to the sutra. Then he's going to give a len, and this is a different spelling from dong len.

Yeah, it means response. Yeah, good. In the book, he's going to answer himself.

How many different things you have to know to get freedom? Well, I'll tell you, but it's going to take the rest of the book. But I want you to know it's not rang so.

And I know one of those Mixed Nuts translators is going to tell me what rang so means. I didn't make it up on my own. Nice.

rang so pang, pang means if you think I wrote this myself, who's talking? A sangha. By the way, he's an Arya.

He saw emptiness directly. One person in 500 years. Then he says, but hey, I don't know anything.

I'm quoting sutra. Okay, got it? I'm referring to sutra.

che means that's why he said du. By the way, it would be fun to study the Sanskrit of this book. We have put together about two-thirds of it so far.

And in China, there's a lot of research of manuscripts found in China. Well, they came from India, in China. Yeah, right.

And there are some great scholars in Beijing who are putting the rest of the Sanskrit ... There's a missing part, and they are putting it together as we speak. And for Nick's last book, for example, we used a lot of the Sanskrit research that was completed in Beijing.

So, we have one person assigned, their only job is to check how much did the Beijing guys finish every week. And I got an update from her this morning. They're almost 70% finished.

All right, so we finished the first of the nine items in the summary. In English? How many?

Okay, how many? When your boss say you can have a vacation. Yeah, but how many days?

Okay, I learned that. My boss say you got a vacation, turns out to be a half hour. Okay, we reached the second of the nine terms in the first half of the Dhamma.

And I'll just read for fun, okay? ,GNYIS PA DANG NGES PA'I RGYUD TSE GNYIS Here's the second one. ,GNYIS PA This morning, so I translate for five, six hours every morning.

And this week I was working on Changchenpa. I'm going to check who reads their daily update from Geshe Michael. What school of philosophy?

Sankhya. Numerous. Thank you!

At least two people read it. Chang means the count, or the number. In Sanskrit, Sankhya.

There's a whole school of ancient India called Numerous Sankhya. Number guys. They're important for us because they took over yoga for a thousand years.

So it's good to know a little bit about Sankhya. So, chang means how many. Chang means ji.

And NGES PA means fixed. Not more, not less. Which means how many divisions are there to the stuff in the universe.

And he says, when you say chi chir, so the second of the nine items in the huge summary of a huge book, is also a question. The first one was du. How many, right?

And the second one is chi chir. You guys know chi chir. Why?

It's one of the standard responses in philosophical debating for the last 2,000 years. So chi chir means why. How does this book start?

How many? Ji. Why?

How many? Why? All right.

chi chir means, BYANG NGES PA'I RGYUD ZIN GRI BA LA They are asking a question, what's the definite number of the things in the universe? It's kind of a difficult answer. NGES PA'I RGYUD ZIN Why is the number set at a certain number?

NGES PA is here. NGES PA It means certain, but with numbers it means exactly that number, not more, not less. So why set a certain number of all the stuff in the universe?

There's a lot of stuff. Now we have to go backwards in the sentence. CHE means it's for the purpose.

Of SHES PA, so you can understand that the BYANG NGES PA, the number is fixed. BYANG NGES PA means that the number is fixed. This BSAM is the matra in Chittamatra.

Yeah, mind only. So matra means only. And here he says, if you ask me, how many things are there in the universe, it's matra.

It's set at a certain number. Not more, not less. And there's only three.

There's three divisions of all the stuff in the universe. Say PHUNG. PHUNG KHAMS KHYAD CHE In Sanskrit, PHUNG means skandha.

KHAMS means dhatu. And KHYAD CHE is ayatana. So all the stuff in the universe is divided into three groups.

What's skandha? What's PHUNG PO? Heaps.

Heaps are piles. How about ayatana? Twelve ayatana.

Doors of sense. Basically, your six senses and the objects of those six senses. They only have five senses.

Then you can split the sense-or into two. If you say there's six faculties of perception, in the Heart Sutra, I think it's saying in G.A. Yeah, yeah, okay, six. Normally in the West, we only have five.

And the Heart Sutra goes down your body. No eye. No ear.

No mouth. No skin. Then we say no mind.

And we say that's at the heart. We don't go like this. Okay, all right.

So you can split the sense-or into two parts. The six faculties of sense. Eye, ear, nose, tongue, skin, thought.

And then you can split it into the six awarenesses that you are having those sensations. The eye sees the computer. And the mind sees the computer.

And the eye sees the computer. If you split it up that way, eighteen. Six, six, and six.

So that's the second of the nine topics of this book. What's the first thing he said? How many?

And he said, why? It means why not more, why not less. How many total stuff in those three groups?

Five, twelve, eighteen. Thirty-five. Why, if there's a billion, billion things in the universe, why do I have to learn thirty-five?

If you learn thirty-five, you don't have to go get your open-heart surgeries anymore. Your body will change. Okay, teach me the thirty-five.

I can tell you, it's not fun to go to the hospital. And the guy's like, man, we're going to cut you today. You don't have a choice.

If they don't cut, you die. If they do cut, maybe you die anyway. Or maybe you can live until they have to cut again.

So it's a big thing. This book says, if you learn these thirty-five things well, you're free from the hospitals forever. Then you guys are young, you don't care yet.

But that hospital is waiting for you also. They're not going to knock down the hospital this evening after Rob's operation. They'll stay open until you come.

And your children and your children's children. Come on, learn these thirty-five things. Then they can knock down all the hospitals.

I think they should make pizza partners from all the hospitals. Or ice cream store. I'm not sure.

Maybe fifty-fifty. Okay, we reached the third of the nine items. By the way, I know this book is difficult.

And this book is famous for being dry. But if it saves you from the doctors, I'll take it. So, try to focus.

And by the way, the worst time of day to study dry things is afternoon. And that's just our schedule. I'm sorry.

Can you read it? Do you want to read it? It would be nice.

Okay, yeah, I'll do that. Stan is going to read the next paragraph. Okay, good.

So, the third thing in the summary is nyen len. And you asked me what it means. It's an old, old word for to take something.

And it's confusing because we don't know take what. So, it says, actually the third one, which is called taking, it is a che dak tu shepa. And it's a joke here.

It's a pun. Word. You have an idea?

Che dak tu shepa. It means a detailed explanation, and it's a pun because it's referring obliquely to the Abhidharma school. Nice, beautiful.

I'm glad I didn't offer you one penny. Thanks. Sorry, I didn't get it.

I have to translate. Can you say it again? Yeah, go ahead, Word.

Sure, it means a detailed explanation. And it is a pun because it is referring to the Abhidharma school, the detailists. Yeah, so the Abhidharma school has a nickname.

What's a Sanskrit word? Vaibhashika. Yeah, Vaibhashika.

Which means they like to talk about the details. What's the language of Indonesia? Bahasa.

Bahasa. Bahasa. Bahasa.

That comes from Sanskrit, bhasha. So Sugeng, one of our twelve translators, he's fluent in many languages, but his Bahasa is very good. Katotka?

No, that's a different one. Anyway, I'll think about it. How do you say thanks in Japanese?

Takamashi? Something like that. Okay, terima kasih.

Terima kasih. Terima kasih. Yeah, that's what I said.

Okay, terima kasih. Anyway, he says the third category, which is called picking, is a reference to the exact details of pollution. Pollution.

In Sanskrit, that's called mala. One of the main directors of our impact project is Vimala. Her name means no impact.

[Speaker 2]
No impact.

[Speaker 1]
So here, the word picking, means details of pollution. What's that mean? Because the taking here is the nge leng gi pungpo.

Yeah, the five parts of a person. By the way, in English we always say body and mind. Body and mind complex or something.

When I think of Mr. Weil and his system, it's like body and mind. Mr. Weil. Andrew Weil.

Yeah, so in ancient Buddhism, they don't say body and mind so much. They say the five parts. Okay, and why that's a long story.

Why do we say that? There's a very long story behind that. BAR BA'I RGYUD CHOS RIM RGYUD CHOS NYON MONGS RNAMS LAS NYON MONGS RNAMS LAS TSOR BA DANG, DU SHES BLO ZHIG DPUNG PO ZHAG Abhidharma Kosher We have to split out two parts of your mind.

We cannot say body and mind. We have to say body, rest of your mind, and your discrimination and your feelings. Why?

Why don't say body and mind? Why say body, rest of your mind, and these two parts of your mind? Because they cause all the trouble in the world.

All the wars going on right now were caused by these two. I like him. I don't like him.

I like Ukrainian people. I don't like Russian people. I like Palestinian people.

I don't like Israeli people. These people make me feel good. These people make me feel bad.

These two cause all the conflict in the world. We have to explain about the parts of the person. Why?

By the way, the nickname for those five parts of you, the five piles, the nickname is the five parts that you took on. The nickname for the five parts of you is the coat you put on when you came into your mom's womb. The third category here is called putting on the coat.

It's a code word for the five parts. And then it says, well, why didn't you just say five parts? Because we want you to dok su with an S.

Oh, understand. Yeah. duk kun duk kun kun suffering all pain suffering and soul suffering That's a $100 answer to a $0 question.

What did he say? Sorry. He said the first two noble arya truths.

It's a code word for the first two truths. Only very smart people know these code words. duk means dungyel, kun means kunjung, means where all that stuff comes from.

And it's a code word for the first two of the four Arya Truths, or higher truths. Why did he mention, put on the code in the summary at the beginning of this book? Why did he say, put it on?

Out of the four parts of the universe, he wants you to understand the first two. Oh, you mean the four truth of the universe. Four truths are the first teaching of Buddha in this world.

He's sitting under a tree. He just saw everything in the universe. He didn't say anything for seven weeks.

He didn't go tell his mom, Mom, I did it! He's just like, God, how am I going to explain this? Then he decided to use these four principles, called the four truths.

And that's his first grand teaching. They're divided into bad guys and good guys. First two are bad guys.

Suffering and the reason for that suffering. That's our author's answer to what does take mean. When you came into your mom's body, you got dressed, with a body and a mind.

Which is suffering. Okay, cool? Not cool, but...

And not only you took on a body which is in line to go to where Rob went. At the same time, you took on the body which cannot survive. You took on the energies which tie you to that body.

Energy which ties you to that body. To that body. Okay, okay.

And that's the first two arya truths. By the way, there's a famous parable translation called noble truth. Because 200 years ago, some British guy saw the word arya.

Which means higher. And it can mean higher class. So those, excuse me, but those British guys saw the word arya, which means higher class.

And the guys in India forcing people to grow opium, they really care about higher class. So they mistranslate this word. Noble.

Noble truth. It's not noble to get an open heart surgery, trust me. But it is a higher truth.

Okay, how are we doing on time? It's after five, so I didn't know how you wanted to handle the two classes together. We run out of the first class time, and we are entering into the discussion.

Okay, so we have a tradition in the Mixed Nuts Translation classes. We stop after the first hour, and we have an open discussion, 15 minutes, led by the Honorable Translator. How can you possibly use this book in your modern life?

It's a natural question. This information is so complicated. And this book is the most complicated of the complicated.

So how are you possibly going to use this in your innovation retreat, for example? This is where Grandpa jumps out of the class, and you guys continue with Stanley. Okay.

He said, I'll speak Chinese, and this guy is going to come and translate me into English. Yeah, we have a great translator, David. Okay, now let's start our discussion.

So we're talking about the first three of the nine, that's in the summary. So the first one is how many? The second one is why?

And the third one is take. A question for you. Not my question, but yours.

How should we apply these three into our IR? How to make you become more silent? Like our topic this time is the realms of silence.

How this content can help us to become more silent? And we can hear in those silence more ideas of creativity. Okay, microphone, please.

Okay, another Rob. I thought this would be a good subject to take into your retreat, actually. To think about why is it that I have to go to the hospital?

And why do I have a body that's going to deliver me to the hospital? And I just thought while we are doing this class, that would be valuable to think about those two things in meditation. There's an old saying in Chinese.

There are people with white hairs are giving funerals to those with black hairs. So who will leave this world first is uncertain. According to the Abhidharma, the five peeps that we take on will eventually bring us to the hospital.

So it is worth it to think about how to achieve this moksha, this freedom. Anyone else? Okay, Suhong.

Thank you, teacher. This time here, I had a very deep feeling. This time here, I had a very deep feeling.

And my work life is very busy. And it requires me to meet up with a lot of people during the work. There is selling or building up teams.

And the chain of management of our company is very short. It's flat. The chain of management is flat, short.

It is hard for me to cultivate my assistant to help me to do a lot of things for me. But as soon as I can cultivate someone who can help me out, he or she is ready to have his own thing going on. So my work requires me to constantly cultivate my new assistant and let him or she go for their own work.

And we also have to check attendance for our work. But I want to say, it is at this very busy time that I know that myself need silence. So when I came here, I asked myself this question.

If I have this half day, what would I do left in my life? So I really cherish my chance to be here. That's all.

Thank you. Thank you, Suhong, for sharing. Indeed, Geshe Michael started this project for people like you and like me.

We are all busy. We are busy taking. And we are losing and losing.

And we wonder if there is an alternative lifestyle. That's one of the meaning of being IR. I have one question for sharing.

We have time for one person to share. Anyone from online?

[Speaker 2]
Can I say?

[Speaker 1]
Let's give somebody else a new chance. Thank you. Thank you.

Anyone else? Okay, I'll share. So the topic this time is about silence and the realms and the types of silence.

And it seems by coincidence, R.B. Dharma at this point is talking about the types of different things. Of things. All things.

All things in the world. Sounds like a beautiful coincidence. According to this book, if we can learn these 35 types, among all the existing things, if we learn these 35 things, we can achieve freedom.

So a reminder that I got from this book there are millions or uncountable things in the universe. We have to think about the purpose and the motivation while we are choosing what we study. So in the scripture it says the Buddha has omniscience, but it doesn't mean that he knows everything or sin, even though there's one argument saying that.

But it's actually saying that he knows everything that's important for us to achieve our freedom. And at this moment we're studying silence. Geshe Michael is teaching about different types of silence.

We're talking about physical silence. We're talking about emotional silence. We're talking about very important electronic silence.

This is something that fits perfectly for me. If we can study the different levels of silence, the types, excuse me, we can get into the silence and to achieve the great freedom. Like what's mentioned in this book, if we study the 35 most important things, we can help ourselves and help others to shut down all the hospitals.

That will be a goal that's worth pursuing. Because in the morning lots of friends here will worry about Rob's surgery. Every single day there is someone we love experiencing going through such circumstances.

If we have a way to help them and help ourselves, it's something that's very worth it to do. I managed to make the time to the Peachtree Morning Show. Juan, are you ready?

I'm ready. Peter, we can cut this computer now and give it to this computer. We don't need to share.

Do I take it off? Okay, Juan, I'll leave it to you. Okay, thank you so much.

So glad to see you over there. And you all may know the audience online. What's happening?

It's Teacher Michael and many more friends, teachers and students are in Diamond Mountain these days. I'm waiting for your translation, right, David? Yep, I'm translating.

Gisela was saying here, even though we have 15 minutes Peachtree Morning Show, but students are free to just wonder and to take a rest because 15 minutes later we'll have our second class. Please go ahead. Very well.

Okay, just giving you a little context, that's what's happening in Diamond Mountain. Innovation retreats. And just last night and today I was talking with our friend Stanley Chen.

And he came up with this very good idea of having some special interviews with some of the students who are living and experiencing firsthand the events there. And maybe this can help as a reference for all of us online to get to understand better what's happening there and how cool these innovation retreats are. And online friends can better understand how cool our innovation retreats are here.

Oh, it's muted. Anyway, so this time as part of the Peachtree World News, we're going to be talking with a few of the students that are there. And I see on stage already our first guest.

So, yeah, please feel welcome. I would like to, I don't really see who's there because the screen is far from where I see. But if you can introduce yourself and tell us a little bit of your experience of what's happening these days there.

How are you liking the program? Hi, my name is Chen Manlin. I'm from Beijing, China.

I keep starting different startups by being an entrepreneur. I came to Demo Mountain because I found a fantastic teacher and a group of systematic learners together. So naturally I came to Demo Mountain following the teacher and also this group.

Of course, I came with a lot of expectations because while I was running my company, I have various goals I would like to achieve. So I came to Demo Mountain with such goal in my mind. Of course, if we want to achieve our goal to work effectively, we need a very special place to have a clear mind.

So in China, we've experienced such a moment of silence with English Microsystematic Teaching. Then I had some method to solve the problem that I'm facing in a very creative and something that I couldn't come up with in my everyday life. So that is the reason why I decided to continue to come here at Demo Mountain.

I think in these few days by following the guidelines by Geshe Michael and he's guiding us in these ways. I believe there will be such a wonderful innovation plan. And then bring it back.

Thank you. Okay, now we'll have our second interviewee. Anahi and Fernanda, they are both from Mexico City.

Yes, they are at Demo Mountain. How are you doing in there? Hi, Juan.

We are so happy to be here because we are chatting with a lot of people from all over the world, having a very good ideas to Latin America. I would like to ask you, I would like to ask you, if each one of you could share something very cool that you have learned in the last few classes, something that if for us that are not there live, maybe sharing a little jewels that you have learned in this innovation retreat. So we online audience can get some beautiful content that you're getting as well.

Well, we are from Mexico City, so as you can imagine, it's a busy city, a lot of people there. Very noisy, very loud. And after COVID, we have more demands and more distractions.

Emails, WhatsApp calls, social media, a lot of things that are disturbing our minds. So here at the innovation retreat, we are learning the importance of silence. And how if we can be in silence and expose our mind to the silence, we can make some space to great ideas to come.

So I am super excited about learning more about silence and experiencing it. I am looking forward to that ideas to come to me. I also want to complete this very cool idea that Ferris shared.

There are six types of silence that we are learning. And to listen to those very cool new innovation ideas, you need to do your first steps to help other people planting good ideas. And then go into the silence retreat to hear the innovation ideas.

[Speaker 2]
That was so fascinating for me.

[Speaker 1]
And you briefly mentioned, what do you mean the six kind of silence? Can you mention a few examples?

[Speaker 2]
Even if you don't remember three or two.

[Speaker 1]
That's a good selling strategy. Just give them a little taste. That's exactly true.

[Speaker 2]
Push it.

[Speaker 1]
Hello, Wu Yan.

[Speaker 2]
Hi, everyone.

[Speaker 1]
Good to see you as well. And for you, I would like to also ask how you've been feeling there these few days. Maybe one idea very cool you have liked.

And what are you excited to learn more in the next few days?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, thank you for the questions. First thing I would like to say is gratitude, first of all. For all the support to me.

And I feel so amazing.

[Speaker 1]
I still remember, I ever asked Keshe Michael Roche a question. When I was in Sedona to learn DCI teacher training, I asked him, whether can I reach my ultimate goal in this life?

[Speaker 2]
And Keshe Michael Roche said to me, yes.

[Speaker 1]
And I opened my eyes and I asked, how? And Keshe Michael Roche replied, retreat. And I take that as my assignment and my homework.

And I keep planting the seeds to take the retreat more and more. And then IR Innovation Retreat came to me.

[Speaker 2]
When Stanley invited me for this program, I got an idea that I would plant the seeds. By serving this event. But I don't think about the potential that it can open quickly enough for me.

[Speaker 1]
Because I'm now taking care of my 90 years old father. And there are so many stuff I have to handle.

[Speaker 2]
But very, very grateful that.

[Speaker 1]
I keep focus on seed planting. And Stanley also inspire me so much. And the whole team inspire me so much.

[Speaker 2]
Vietnamese team and IR team.

[Speaker 1]
And the seeds open in last minutes. I can find a person who take care of my father. I can get the visa only two days before the IR start.

And I fly to here. And I feel amazing. I feel curious about myself and my seeds.

I would like to say one more key words. I learn from Keshe Michael Roche. You are not who you thought you were.

And I'm curious about myself.

[Speaker 2]
And I want to give back very correctly and fully.

[Speaker 1]
I think IR can help me to plant the seeds. And also experience how to serve the IR and reach it so well.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you so much for all the support here. I'm a mountain, all my friends, my teacher. And I wish you will come here.

Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, Yen. Last question is when is the next one, Chloe?

[Speaker 2]
Depends on your seed.

[Speaker 1]
Come on, give me something. Time's up. 2025.

2025. Very well. That's something.

All right. Next year. So thank you very much.

I think it's nice hearing from people who are there. I would like to hear more, really, to be honest. But for now, this is what we have.

And it's exciting to start thinking about the next one. Thank you very much and see you next time. We go to Stanley's next class with Keshe Michael Roche.

Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.