Стэнли Чен — Книга 2: Красноречивые слова о сути океана высшего знания (Гьялцаб Чже о «Своде высшего знания» — Абхидхарма-самуччае), занятие 12

[Speaker 1]
Did you and Ben get my message? Probably, maybe a while ago, I don't know. No, it was today or yesterday.

[Speaker 2]
Late last night.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, no, no, I didn't get that message then, no. You want a consecutive translation? Because this class is, Geshe-la is teaching an IR in these two days, and then we, so his class will be this class, basically.

Okay. One of his is this class, so we have to do consecutive for the, it's about 700 students. Okay, well, as long as Geshe Michael knows, then.

He knows. Okay, that's the main point. Whether he remembers is another story, but he knows.

Right, and so we can remind him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, there he is, the triumphant return.

Well, welcome everybody to Xuanzang's Tower. It's great to see you. We have our hero master translator back with us, Geshe Michael.

We saw him for a second. I believe it's going to happen. And Stanley, where are you?

The second greatest city in the world, Shenzhen. After Rimrock, Arizona. After Rimrock, yeah.

Cool, all right, well, I'm looking forward to your text. Do you have a homework ready? I do, I do.

Maybe I should start. Let's start, and we'll try to speak slowly for consecutive translation. Oh, wait, I need a, I need, during my homework time, I need a translator for Chinese.

Oh, because you were going to translate to Chinese. Yeah, yeah. Katie, I think you are there, right?

Katie, can you come to the main room instead of, and then so that everybody can hear? Katie, can you come to the main room and help me translate? She refused to answer me.

I'll just do it for you. Okay, yeah, I think that's better. 我是Stanley Chen.

我很开心在这里现在。 Katie is in the translation channel. Can, Katie, can you come out?

Yes, sir.

[Speaker 2]
I have Chloe here.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay, that's great. Yeah, that would be great, Gisela. Yes.

Well, I guess I should speak in Chinese. It's easier for you, right? If you do English.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, I'll do that. Do you need this? Hi, Gisela.

Hi, how you doing? Good, good, how are you? How's the surf?

I'll see you in about 10 days or something. I'm looking forward to it. You pay for dinner this time.

I'm definitely going to. All right. Okay, Stanley, let's see your homework.

Okay. Thank you, Chloe. 好,谢谢Chloe的翻译。

那我就讲中文了。 好,欢迎大家来到今天的玄奘塔翻译课, 大乘阿比达摩的课。 Welcome to Shenzhen Tower, the translation class for Abhidharmakosha.

Wait, no, no, no, Abhidharma Samuccaya. Yeah. Different one.

Oh, wait, that's not what I want to show you. Okay, now you can see the... Oh, I can see your bank account number.

Nothing there, nothing there. 第一个问题,空心空心。 第一个问题是, 阿比达摩巨舍论这本书, Kosha这本书跟阿比达摩杂集论, Samuccaya这本书, 两者之间的主要的相似点跟不同点是什么?

So, first question, what's the difference and similarities between the two Abhidharmakosha and Abhidharma Samuccaya? Persis in the chat said they're written by brothers. That's a good observation.

Yeah, the authors are different. They both treat the subject of higher knowledge. Chloe, are you going to translate?

They both treat the subject of higher knowledge. They are both treating the subject of the higher knowledge. In Zhongwen.

Oh, he already said that. Wait, she's supposed to do the Chinese, and here's the English translation. Stanley, you got to do the Chinese.

It's too confusing to switch back and forth. I know, I know. Dodo is getting crazy, I can tell.

他们都是讲这个阿比达摩这个主题的。 对,这是对的。

[Speaker 2]
One difference is that the latter, at least in our, the book that we're working on, has a mind-only flavor, where the other one does not.

[Speaker 1]
This answer is correct. And they are similar in that they both talk about 35 dharmas and four truths and so on. And but the Abhidharmakosha is about the detailed school.

It's actually written by the younger brother. 然后呢, 扎吉就是由无著大师所写的, 代表的是唯识宗的观点。 The Compendium is about mind-only school, which is written by the older brother, Asanga, Arya Asanga.

什么样的神通力量? What kind of special power can you get when you learn the countless list of content in this book? The special power to not be overwhelmed or confused by any student's question.

You will be able to answer them perfectly. 完全正确的答案。 完全正确的答案。

[Speaker 2]
Perfect answer.

[Speaker 1]
没有恐惧。 没有恐惧。 When anybody posing any difficult challenges to you.

你会像狮子哄一样。 你会像狮子哄一样。 You are like a roaring lion.

好,第三个问题。 The third question. Okay, so what's the ultimate goal when you go learning deeper and deeper into the 35 dharmas?

This is a very interesting answer.

[Speaker 2]
很可爱的答案。

[Speaker 1]
跟空性有关系。 Yeah, it's related to emptiness. I think it's two things, right?

I think it's shramatan and vipashyana, you know? True, true, true, true, true. 但是有一个很可爱的解读方式。

但是有一个很可爱的解读方式。 It's that all these lists will disappear when you see emptiness directly, during the direct expression of emptiness. That's a great motivation to see emptiness.

That's a much faster way to finish the book. Yeah. 这是老师在课上说的,是格西爷爷说的。

They'll all be gone. You have to translate his jokes for us. 我说这个答案不是贾朝杰大师说的,是格西爷爷说的。

So I said that this answer is not from the Master Asanga. No, no, not from Gyalsat Jey. It's not from Gyalsat Jey, this answer.

It's from Geshe-la. Okay. Chloe, you can relax now.

It's good now. I finished the homework part. Now it's the translation.

Thank you. Now I pick on him. Thank you.

Thank you, Chloe. 非常棒。 非常好。

Okay, so Geshe-la, can you do like a one-minute intro for this class for the IR students later? And then also I will be translating for you, yeah. Consecutively.

Okay, tell me when... Do you want to start that now? Yeah, yeah, please.

Okay, for the IR students. We are very lucky... Okay, here's my introduction.

In my opinion, if you're going to do a great project like innovation, if you're starting a major organization to help people be innovative through doing quiet retreats, silent retreats, then in my opinion, that new organization needs a second organization. For example, the Andean International Diamond Jewelry Company. I remember that the day we bought our skyscraper in Manhattan, we also started working to preserve the ancient books with ALL.

That's a very good question. That's like 37 years ago. Those two organizations were supporting each other.

Financially, the Diamond Jewelry Company supported the preservation of ancient books. Karmically, preserving the ancient books supported the diamond business. From a karma point of view, from a karma point of view, preserving the classics supported the Andean Diamond Jewelry Company.

Sorry, so... So, each one supported the other. It was...

Sorry, it was like a good sansara. Yeah. So, in our project here for innovation, we have a dream to make the Dunhuang Caves much better known in the West.

And we even hope to create some caves like that with the same kind of artwork in the West. We call that project Dunhuang West. So, we think the Innovation Retreat Project will help the Dunhuang West Project, and the Dunhuang West Project will help the Innovation Retreat Project.

And we are very fortunate this morning that we are studying a book, one of the books is called The Diamond Jewelry Company. It's one of the books that was found in the Dunhuang Caves. And that book is the book that Stanley is translating called Abhidharma Samuccaya.

And it's almost 2,000 years old. And it's very difficult. When you study something you already know, you don't learn anything new.

When you study something extremely difficult, you learn a little bit. When you study something you already know, you don't learn anything new. But when you study something extremely difficult, you learn a little bit.

Okay, let's check Stanley's translation. Stanley, can you please read the ancient language here? Yes, I'll do.

DE LA BSTAN GCIG THAG PA DANG CI NGES PA'I ZHES BYA LA THAG PA'I KHLA GTUNG ZHI BYAS SU THUNG PA'I PHAN YONG THOB BU Yeah, let's go backwards. I think it'll be easier if we work backwards. Yeah, well let's look at DE LA BSTAN, the beginning.

DE LA BSTAN means what? What's the DE LA BSTAN, Stanley? Oh, sorry, DE LA BSTAN, I forgot.

Dependent upon that, or with respect to... Yeah, yeah, if you rely on the study of this book, the 35 subjects taught in this book, if you study this book, you will THOB PA. What's THOB PA?

If you study this book, you will THOB PA. What's THOB PA mean? Gain?

Or benefit? Get benefit? Yeah, good.

You will gain, you will get the PHAN YONG. What's PHAN YONG? Yeah, benefit or advantage.

If you study this book, you will THOB PA, you will attain the PHAN YON, the benefit, and there's two benefits. You will get the LHAG MTHONG, and you will get the LHAG MTHONG GI RJES SU THUN PA. What's LHAG MTHONG?

Insight, right? Yeah, special insight. Which is the big word for...

By the way, what's the Sanskrit for LHAG MTHONG? Vipashyana. Vipashyana.

Not vipassana. Vipashyana. Vipashyana.

Vipashyana doesn't mean meditation, it means an understanding of emptiness. So if you study this book, you will get vipashyana, the benefit of vipashyana. You will see emptiness.

When you see emptiness, many, many other good things happen to you by the way. And that's called LHAG MTHONG GI RJES SU THUN PA. Good stuff that comes after you see emptiness.

Now, how do you see emptiness? YOD BDAG PA The verb here is B-R-T-A-G-S, BRTAGS YOD BDAG PA, which means you check. JI LTA BA'I PHYIR, and JI NGES PA'I PHYIR Say JI LTA BA'I PHYIR JI LTA BA'I PHYIR JI NGES PA'I PHYIR JI NGES PA'I PHYIR Study the two great divisions of all stuff.

JI LTA BA'I PHYIR What's the difference, Stanley, between these two? We said two great divisions of all stuff. JI NGES PA'I PHYIR means the total amount of stuff you could ever know.

JI NGES PA'I PHYIR means the total amount of stuff you could ever know. All the stuff in the universe. Then JI LTA BA'I PHYIR, the way all the stuff in the universe is, one by one.

JI NGES PA'I PHYIR It's like saying you will know all the people in this room, and you will know exactly how they are at the same time. Yeah, so to comment on some pieces of the translation, we don't have time to do it in detail, but I'll give you some comments. When you say the true nature of these objects, and then you say the total quantity of these objects, that's a perfect translation.

That's really, really good. By the way, it's Gibson's help, isn't it? I thought it was probably me.

I was sleeping. I like the special sight used for hlak tong. DGOS PA SHYANA By the way, the Pashya in DGOS PA SHYANA came into bhagva, which came into optical.

And it's also the reason why auga in German has a G in it for eye, and that's where the Y came from in English. It's all Pashya. It directly means...

Yeah, so all the major ideas here are correct. Let's go to the next sentence so we can finish this book in this century. So Stanley, because you read the first paragraph so nicely, you have the right now to pick on somebody else to read the second paragraph.

If you want, I have victims in this room with me. Yes, Geshe-la, please, you choose them. Okay, I got Anjali Vigna.

Okay, Anjali, please. She's Patanjali's daughter. Okay, you're going to use the cursor with the arrow, and you're going to read as you go.

Read slowly and loudly. Stanley, you're correcting her. Sampar.

He says, Sampar. Sampar. Jawe.

Jawe.

[Speaker 2]
Jawe.

[Speaker 1]
Nyade. Dakla. Dakla.

Dakla. Kepar. Kepar.

Good. Kepar. Kepar.

Jeshing. Jeshing. Silak.

Silak. Nyodam. Nyodam.

Jesu. Good. Tumpa.

Nice. Laten. Ne.

Nice. Lobma. Nice.

Chewa. It should be chepa, it's a mistake in the text. Chepa.

Oh, I see, down here. Dang. Dang.

Dang. Dang. Dang.

[Speaker 2]
Dang. Dang.

[Speaker 1]
Dang. Dang. And then, Now there's There's a Pre-nasal sign there.

So you guys say, Minjikpa. Minjikpa. Dhōne.

Good. Dřihua. Good.

Tamche. Good. Lungtangmupe.

Good. Sherabki. Tudang.

Dampar gyorpay. Dampar. Dampar.

Dampar. Gyorpay piro. Piro, yay.

Nice. Okay, go sit down. I've got to work this.

I've got to pull teeth out of Stanley. Okay. What's sampa mean?

Sampa. It's related to sim. Yeah, it's related to sim.

To think, right? To contact? Yeah, it's a verb.

Yeah, what's ne mean? Place. Rob said place.

Place, okay. Who's a kepa? Who's a bandita?

Yeah, a master. Yeah, a master. So, you're going to become a master of all this stuff that you have to think about, okay, if you study this book.

And you will achieve... You will achieve shikak. Sorry Geshe-la, I have to translate.

I'm sorry, I forgot. And you will get to shikak. And that's an abbreviation for two words.

Oh, shamatha and vipashyana? Yeah, shi ne hlak tong. Shi ne hlak tong.

We say shi lak tong. Shi lak tong. That's a fast way to say it.

Rose fun. Rose fun, okay. All right, good.

And you will get the real shamatha and you will get the real vipashyana, ngu. You will also get all the jesutumbas. It means all the extra stuff that comes with them.

If you become a master of all these subjects, then you will have perfect meditation and understanding of emptiness. Then I'm skipping to the third line, just past the halfway point. It says min jikpa top.

min jikpa top. It means jikme top. min jikpa top.

min jikpa top. You will achieve jikme. Fearlessness.

You will achieve jikme. You will achieve fearlessness. And fearlessness about two things.

Number one, you will be able to lob ma la shepa. shepa here is the old form. shepa means give explanations to your lobmas, to your students.

You will feel very comfortable to sit in a class and teach it to your students. And second benefit, you will feel very comfortable to tsepa with other shen people. What's that mean, Stanley?

Other people. Master. Oh, other people.

Debate. You will feel very comfortable to explain things to your own students, and you will feel very comfortable to argue with other people who try to say you're wrong. Okay, I see.

Like your wife. chiwa means other people's questions. tam che means kun.

What's kun, Stanley? Other people's questions. Kun.

All of them. All of them. Okay, all questions that people ask you.

All questions that people ask you. Now, Nick or Ben, and not word because there's no money involved, they're going to tell me what lungtenpa means. It means prophecy or prediction.

Yeah, to give a prediction. Often. lungtenpa means to give a prediction.

But in the ancient language, it means to give a good explanation, a good answer, to everybody's chiwa. Questions. So you will achieve a special kind of fearlessness, and you will be able to answer questions easily, of all your students, for example.

And you will come to possess the two of shiru. And you will come to possess the two of shiru. What's the miraculous power of shiru?

What's two, you guys? Power, miraculous. The mystical power of shiru.

Great power of shiru. Yeah, cool. To summarize, if you study this book, you will master all the subjects, you will get perfect meditation, you will see emptiness, you'll be able to explain things to your students, you'll be able to argue with anybody successfully, even your wife, and you will be able to answer all questions because you have the mighty power of wisdom.

Good luck, Stanley. You did such a good job on the translation. I think you studied this book already.

It's Gibsons. All right, good job. We go to the next question.

Can we go to the new material? Yes, please, Geshe-la. Okay, grandpa will share his screen, wherever it may be.

Here it is. I'll move you guys up here. I'll move you guys down here.

Okay, good. So we finished these first two paragraphs. Stanley, do you want to choose someone to read?

Or I also have people here if you want me to choose. Yeah, please, Geshe-la, please. It's more fun to pick people.

I think Rob wants to come up and read this. By the way, there's a lot of notes by grandpa. This book needs a lot of notes, I'm sorry.

It takes a lot of time to prepare at the creepy cafe sitting next to Peter. Okay. Start here, Lu.

Lu-nam shak-hee Lu-nam shak-hee gong-pay do-nee chay-pa puh shay-la shing nyan-pa puh gye-shay-kee dun-tok-la-wa dang ngo muh-pay muh-pay go-wa je-su sung-wa war ja-wa dang rang-shen go-mu pe-go ko-way Oh, it's misspelled. There was a word missing. Go-way bak-chak Go-way bak-chak?

The carving says chak-chak. It's supposed to be bak-chak. Shak-pa Shak-pa dang dor ten-gye gye-shay-la kepar ja-way chay-du yin-no Yay, not bad.

Not bad. Stanley, what's lu in general? Body.

Yeah, and here it means the body of the book. It means the major body of the book. nam shak means the whole structure.

nam shak means the whole structure. gongpa means you know this word, Stanley, from the famous sutra, what I really meant. And what it means is why the heck did they make all these complicated divisions of this book?

What gongpa? What did they have in mind? Who's they?

It's Arya Sangha. What was he thinking to make such a weird, complicated book? By the way, this book is taxonomy, right?

We studied the word together, me and Stanley. It means this book is basically a huge collection of lists. And he says, if you want to know what I was thinking when I wrote all these complicated lists, it may be that I was thinking about what makes it lawa.

Lawa means easy. By the way, for words' benefit, if you have a very mushy yogurt, it's also called lawa. Isn't it like thin soup, too, again?

Or thin tea? Yeah, so when you see lawa, think easy, and also think gooey and mushy. It means it's not going to be hard.

It's going to be easy. Lawa means simple and easy. It also means soft and mushy porridge.

Mushy porridge. Mushy porridge. Hey, Word, you want to make a hundred bucks?

Now I got him. Look how he sits up. I prefer a thousand, but a hundred will do.

All right. But anybody else can answer if you can beat Word. How do you say it's easy in this language?

It's easy in modern language. It's easy.

[Speaker 2]
Le lapo du?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Nick got a hundred bucks away from Word. I can't believe it.

Jeez, it must be the surfing. He's answered so much faster than me, sometimes I don't feel bad. Just say le lapo.

Le lapo. Is this hard for you? Le lapo du.

Le lapo du. It's like yabba dabba doo. Le lapo du.

This is easy. Le lapo du. Le means work and karma, right?

Le lapo is the colloquial, modern expression for that's a breeze. Le lapo du. And you shake your head, and you go, le lapo du.

It's like kicking your head.

[Speaker 2]
Le lapo du. It's easy.

[Speaker 1]
Two things become easy if you study this terrible long book of lists. Number one, it's easy for you to shepa. Understand.

The two things. Explain. It's easy for the shepapo, Ben.

It's easy for the shepapo, and it's easier for the nyenpapo. Mr. Korn. For the ones explaining it, and also for the listener.

Yeah, it's easier for the teacher, and it's easier for the student if they learn these long lists, and that's what I had in mind when I made such a complex book. It's easy for the student, and it's easy for the teacher. That's what Master Wushu said when I was writing this book.

That's what I had in mind. Then I struggled with the next word, Stanley. I really struggled.

I struggled for about, I don't know, two or three days. And then I finally found it. I thought it was a tremendous miscarving, and it's not.

It really is gopapa. Oh, gopapa. Oh, okay, okay.

The teacher said he struggled with this word for over ten days. He thought he miscarved it, but then he found out it wasn't. It really is gopapa.

And it means, it's an ancient idiom that means people who understand things quickly. Because it means like this. It means to nod your head quickly because you got it.

You understand? Yes! Probably in India, it's this way.

Okay, Stanley, in India, it's horizontal. But, okay. So anyway, ye su sungwa means you can lead people who are quick studies.

By the way, Stanley, a new idiom for you, quick study, it means a person who understands something new very quickly. A quick study. I mean, ye su sungwa means you will be able to guide people who are quick studies, who understand quickly.

With these long lists. ye su sungwa ye su sungwa means with these long lists, you can lead those people who are quick studies. And Stanley, listen to me and translate for me.

You will also plant a bacha for your own gomupa. You will also plant seeds for your own quick study. Yeah, you will plant seeds to be a smart-ass in the future.

You will plant seeds to be a smart-ass in the future. That's why we give these lists. The lists are short.

Some lists are short and some lists are very long. dor ten gye she That's why we give these lists. Some lists are short and some lists are very long.

Then he says kepa. I want you to be a kepa. What's that?

Master. Yeah, I want you to become a master. we can say, if you finish this book, you will be a list master.

Okay, so we mentioned that Master Wuzhu wants us to learn this book to become a kepa. kepa means master, to become a list master. All right, Stanley, let's go to this next part here.

Do you want to choose someone to read online? Okay, yeah. Yeshala?

Yes? Why did the text say Rangshen Gomu? Oh, a person who is by nature a quick study.

Rangshen? Isn't that... Oh, I'm sorry, Rangshen.

Oh yeah, you will plant a seed for you and your friends to become quick studies. Thank you again. Thank you.

Stanley, who's going to read? Oh, by the way, can I interrupt you for a second? In ten minutes, we will be having a fifteen minute discussion about how can you use today's translation class in your real life.

And we have lots of show centers. If you want to talk about how you're going to use this in your real life, if you want to talk in Chinese, then we'll translate it into English. Okay, so anybody can answer Chinese or English or other languages.

And everyone can speak. We have a lot of translators. For example, if you want to speak Chinese, we can also translate it into English.

Anyone can speak, no problem. You can speak Chinese or English. I will ask Mike Hoffman.

Hoffman, to read. You want to try? Sure, thanks.

Okay. Okay. DUD DUN SHES ZIN LA, TSIG STONG NA SKYES PAR, BYA BA'I ZHIG DANG, DE NYID NYES PAR BYED PA'I NAM PA'O Great, wow.

Wow, awesome. He's got an ear, he's a piano player. ZIN means I finished.

ZIN on a verb. ZIN means I finished. By the way, we just reached a new major section of our book.

We finished the DUD DUN. The summary? Summary?

Summary? Yeah, it means we finished the opening summary of the whole book. Okay, we're done.

Now we can start the book. Now I have two parts to teach you. I will make you a SKYES PAR in the TSIG DANG.

I will make you a master of the TSIG STONG. I will make you a master of the words for the basic concepts of the whole book. There's nine of them.

I will make you a master of the nine basic concepts of the whole book. There's nine basic ideas that I want to teach you first. Then I want you...

we're going to VINISH CHAYA. We're going to nail them down. Okay, VINISH CHAYA.

The big part of this book, Abhidharma Samuchaya, the Samuchayas are the VINISH CHAYAS. So, it's to nail it down. We're going to nail down the meaning.

And I added the next section in bold, and it is the opening lines of the whole book in poetry, and we have it in Sanskrit, and it means DONG. For $50, not word. If you have one more kid, I'll have you come back.

Isn't it a verse summary or just a summary sometimes? Yeah, okay, Mr. Moneybags. $50 to Nick again.

DONG means a summary of the whole book in poetry, in verse. And whole chapters are referred to with single words. I'm going to read the pieces of the verse summary, and Stanley, I want you to translate...

what do we call that? Machine gun translation. We call it machine gun translation.

I will say one word and you'll translate it, and then I'll say one word and you translate it. Ready? Okay.

By the way, it really is an expression, machine gun translation. Here we go. You ready?

Okay, yes. One. One.

How many? You're done. That wasn't much of a machine gun.

Wait. Your machine gun is very slow. Let's try again.

Number one. How many? Number two.

Why? Number three. Take it.

Number four. Definition. Number five.

Outline. Number six. The order.

Number seven. The meaning. Number eight.

The metaphor. Number nine. The divisions.

So if you're going to translate these opening lines into English, here we go. How many? How come?

What take? Definition. Structure.

Order. Stuff. Example.

Divide. Finish. Okay?

[Speaker 2]
That's the stuff we have been talking about.

[Speaker 1]
Now Stanley, each one of these next paragraphs, he's going to treat one of those nine. He's going to give a little explanation of each one of those nine, and then the whole book, which will take Stanley 50 years to finish, will go through those nine. Okay?

... Okay Stanley, who's going to read this first paragraph that starts with Dung-bo? Dung-bo.

Dung-bo starts with ... Dwar. Dwar.

Thank you very much. Nice, nice, very nice. He's explaining the first syllable of those nine syllables.

Okay, he's explaining the first word of the nine syllables. And the amazing thing is that our carver left out the first one. He left out the word for the first one.

Which is very difficult to study a book when the carver left out the first word of the book. Who remembers in English, or any language, the first word of these verses? How many?

Who said what? You said D. That's correct.

Okay, D. D, what does it mean? How many?

How many? Okay, so the guy says, I'm going to explain the word… No, he left out…

First we're going to explain the word. Okay, that's why you pin me. That's why you don't pin me.

Anyway, he put the quotes, but nothing in the quotes. Yeah, yeah, that's a real emptiness quote. Okay, dun gu means, hey word, while you're on, while I have you, what's dun gu mean?

[Speaker 2]
Dun gu means the nine meanings or topics.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the nine topics that are found in that summary. The nine topics. And the first topic is yewa, Stanley, which means, okay, how many divisions?

Okay, yewa, how many divisions do? And that's introducing the idea that we have to explain how many divisions there are to all existence. By the way, Stanley, for two dollars, what's the answer to how many?

Three. Mainly? Three ways?

Three ways is not a bad answer. That's a one dollar answer. What's the longer answer?

35? Yeah, 35. Okay, pung kham kye che, the five heaps, the 18 dhatus, and the 12 ayatanas.

Okay, that's the 35 subjects of this book. And it's the 35 subjects of the Abhidharma Kosha. Then our author says, why did he start with the number of divisions?

Why was that his opening question? He had a gupa. Okay, that's in the third line here.

He had a purpose. He had a goal in mind. By the way, we already mentioned that it was to see emptiness and have perfect meditation.

But to get the details, you'll have to tune in next week to hear Stanley's translation of the next paragraph, starting with Tarpa Dön. Got it, thank you Geshe-la. And grandpa's going to sit down and have a beer, and just kidding, and you're going to lead a 15-minute conversation about what in the world can you do with this information in your real life.

Okay, thank you Geshe-la. So Geshe-la, we don't need to translate this part into Chinese, so everybody can speak freely, and we don't have to be interrupted by the Chinese translation. Okay, well it's up to you.

I'm going to go relax. Okay, maybe anyone... Okay, okay, thank you Katie.

So, yes... Give me a gallery. Anyone want to say anything about this amazing class which talks about the benefits of so many lists from this book?

Study... And before we reach the end... Okay, please.

Well, I think one thing that I really like about this, and in general of the Mixed Knots, is the part of being able to answer students' questions. Sorry, translator, I'll slow down. So, in my experience, when you have live students, people ask all sorts of the unusual questions.

So coming to these classes have been very useful for me, not to make up things, but to just... Oh, yeah, I remember I saw this in this text. So for me, that's the main takeaway today, among other things, but very useful for Q&A sessions.

Yeah, and you reach a kind of fearless also. You feel happy and comfortable when answering those questions. You don't need to make up stuff.

So yeah, that's a big plus. Yeah, and then it really... I do agree a lot, Seiji.

It really helps people when you can answer their questions too. You know, they feel happy. Sometimes I know some students, or many students, they came to our class just for one question, for one answer they want, and then they are satisfied.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's great.

Cool, thank you. Cool text. Yeah.

Sugen, Mr. Singapore, please. Yeah, when I was young, or rather when I was in primary school or secondary school, we didn't have internet, we didn't have Google. So we have to rely on our memory to memorize lists.

And I realized that, of course, nowadays when we start to have Google, start to have all those search engine, the idea is not to memorize, but to know how to search. But I think ability to memorize is really useful in the sense that when you memorize all those lists, you unconsciously in your mind, you start to link the ideas among the list. And I think your mind will start to synthesize and then you will come out with ideas, you become more creative.

So I would like to mention this is probably something like diamond mining, you know, when you have a lot of lists in your mind, when you have those ideas, which seem to be not related, but when you have them in your mind together, they will start to cook. And then you will have those ideas. And then suddenly you start to have those diamond mining ideas.

So, yeah, I think this is something beautiful that I can relate to the book, the text. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Suken.

Yes. In this book, one big emphasis is lists, endless lists, innumerable lists. And those lists make the whole structure of the book.

So it will be very, very helpful if we can consume this list into our mind and then make them disappear as the book sets into when we see emptiness directly. Anyone else? Venerable Karin, I think, right?

Kat, Venerable Kat. Yes. Thank you.

What I'm enjoying is understanding exactly how powerful the task of making lists is. And to apply this power to my daily activities in serving the Dharma and taking care of so many projects that we all have.

[Speaker 2]
It's like, oh, so some guy back there in the old days said, if I make lists and memorize them, I will achieve power in a spiritual practice. Also today, today activity.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, nice, nice. Thank you. Thank you.

This reminds me of what is going on in the two days for us. Geshe-la is teaching a program about how to do innovation retreats. And then the first thing he did before the program is he did a three-day retreat.

And in the retreat, he made a list of 60 major points of content that he's going to teach for this project in the next few years or something. And then just that list of 60 points blowed our mind. When I myself can never think that we need to master so many things to do a great retreat.

But that list, that list of 60 points really, really impressed me. And it's great. I think one of the signs of being a master is they can make lists to help people.

That's very impressive to me. Great example. You know, and I think too, just one more point.

[Speaker 2]
It's comforting. It provides comfort as a student or a person managing many things. Oh, all I have to do is go through this list and I will be successful.

[Speaker 1]
So it's comfortable. True, true. Indeed.

I pray all of us can fall in love with lists in the future.

[Speaker 2]
Can I express me, Susie?

[Speaker 1]
Hi, Susie. Yes, please.

[Speaker 2]
The most part which impressed me is I have listened Stanley Chen's broadcast, Zibo. I heard three times of your broadcast. So I learned a lot about how to do the retreat and how amazing this course is.

So I am so impressed that we can do retreat in Shenzhen in next month, I think. So I hope this activity can spread in China. Maybe we can do it in Beijing, Shanghai, Hangzhou and more cities in the future.

Yes, and I think we need to do retreat because we are very tired and very stressful in our daily life. Yes, thank you. And I hope retreat can go all over the world.

[Speaker 1]
Cool, thank you. Yeah, that's our wish too. We can work on it together by starting to do our own retreat and then the virus will spread.

Let me see, we have still a few minutes left. Let's see, Tracy McKenzie.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Stanley. For me, the biggest thing that stands out is fearlessness, courage. It takes so much courage and fearlessness to even meditate and go in and explore this mind.

And a lot of the times we get in our own way and we stop ourselves. And if we really study and meditate and teach, even while we're teaching these lists, we're planting seeds for us to have deeper understanding of these lists. And if we want to have shamatha and vipashyana, the insights, the only way to do it is to put on our superhero cape and do it.

We don't have time. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Thank you, Tracy. Yeah, that's a nice thing.

Let me see what else. Who else? Shi Qiang, do you want to say something?

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. 我应该讲中文还是英文好呢? 首先谢谢你的问题。

要不请你进到那个中文频道,我可以讲英文,这样你也听得到中文。 I think I have to speak in English, right? I think so.

Yeah, Shi Qiang asked a very nice question. He was basically... I think you all heard the question.

Or not. Not sure. But basically he said, if everybody has been my mother countless times, therefore they should have been buddhas countless times, or at least a few times.

If that's true, then why am I not a buddha right now? Yeah, so that's the question, the guts of the question. And basically...

Oh, we had a question in Chinese. Okay, thank you, Geshe-la. So basically the answer is...

I remember one beautiful saying from Geshe-la. We have been different kind of people. Like I myself have been Miss American countless times.

Dodo has been... I don't know. Tom Cruise, countless times.

Do you know the... What's the lady's name? The famous American actress, Tom Cruise and...

[Speaker 2]
With the big...

[Speaker 1]
Angela Julie, yes. That's the one I was thinking. Countless times.

We've been the richest man in the world countless times, the poorest man in the world countless times. But not that we have seen emptiness countless times. So we have been in every role inside samsara, inside the Wheel of Life countless times.

But we are still inside. But those people who have entered the stream, who have saw emptiness, who have seen emptiness directly, they are outside of this wheel. So we've been spinning inside the wheel again and again and again.

Different roles we have played again and again and again. But still we are inside. So it doesn't conflict that everybody has been my mother countless times.

But they are not Buddha. It's... There's no conflict between these two facts.

I mean, if they are not Buddha, they can still be my mother countless times. Of course, the Buddha themselves have been my mother countless times. But maybe you can think about this wheel.

You can have different things countless times inside the wheel, but you are still in it. And we have to break out. That's our goal.

That's why we are here. That's why we are burning our heads through this long endless... burning our brains through this long endless lists.

So that one day we can break out. We can reach the goal. We can see emptiness directly.

Yeah. Then we can really help more people. Cool.

Okay, I think that's time for me. And then I'm going to go to sleep. And I will take you to the great MC, I think.

From the famous Peachy World News, Juan Hasso. Hi, Stanley. Good to see you.

Beautiful setting. I like how you put the plants in the background. Did you see this?

This thing? Yeah, yeah. The plants?

No, that's Diamond Mountain and this is Dunhuang. Oh, beautiful. But I don't see Diamond Mountain yet.

This one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Beautiful.

Yeah, hopefully soon we can talk with you about the Innovation Retreat coming up. Yeah, we'll do, we'll do. All right, very well.

Wonderful. So, yeah, thank you. Thank you so much.

I just want to take you quickly to a few things that have been happening. First, just to let you know, last time we talked about a very wonderful article that one of the online magazines wrote for the Peachtree Cafe. The other day I had the chance to go to the Peachtree Cafe.

And it's just looking so beautiful, so beautiful. And I hear it's getting very successfully busy. Also, I have to say, honestly, I think the food there is amazing.

I'm living in Flagstaff these days. It's a bit of a little bigger city, bigger town. And I don't think really there is anything like that even here in Flagstaff.

So I think Peachtree Cafe is doing amazing quality-wise, atmosphere-wise, unbelievable. So we just want to extend our congratulations. And soon, hopefully, we're going to have some interviews about it, some materials and footage to share with you about that.

But for today, we want to talk about a very cool tour that our friend Tim Lowenhaupt is about to start this July. So next picture, please. We want to let you know that in preparations for the Mexico retreat, Tim Lowenhaupt is going to be teaching, July 6th, next week, a commentary class on a video recording where Geshe-la is teaching about the Angel Debates the Devil.

So be ready. It's happening July 6th. You can register to watch the classes and hear his commentaries on it.

Then he's going to be going to Taiwan on the 14th to the 17th, to the 15th, 14th and 15th. He's going to be going to Taiwan and teach small retreat on how to do retreat and also the perfection of giving. So if you happen to be in Asia or Taiwan, if you can make it, will be wonderful.

After that, he's going to Europe. He's going to be teaching in Spain and also in Romania. He's going to be doing a two-day class seminars in each of these countries.

If you're in Europe, if you want to see him, if you're hoping you're going to even spend some time with him, maybe this is a good chance you can go and meet him there. Finally, he's going to be going to Mexico, where Geshe Michael in person is going to be teaching a three-day event, The Angel Debates the Devil. We can't wait for that.

It's going to be amazing. I'm already making plans to be there. Thank you so much for keep going to Mexico, Geshe-la.

In talking about Mexico, the Latin American tour is starting now because our friends Sofia Arellano, Lucia Pichardo, together with Francisco Puyol, they already scheduled for this upcoming week an event in Peru. Yes, Lima, Peru. So it's very, very good news.

They are going to be teaching some classes and events there. And it's exciting because it's the very first time the Mexican teachers go to Peru in this format. So congratulations.

Hopefully, we can talk to you in person very, very soon. And finally, we want to invite you all to our next event that's happening on Tuesday. Next Tuesday at 4 p.m. Arizona time, we're going to have a special event, the monthly event of Petrie World News. We're going to have different interviews, different guests talking about many, many different cool projects happening all over the world. So if you want to join us, please follow the QR code. You can see pictures of many, many of our guests for next Tuesday.

We super invite you. And if you live in Sedona area, you're super welcome to come live. We're going to be broadcasting from Stanley and Xiao's Pink House.

Thank you so much for letting us do that, for letting us use your equipment. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Okay.

And finally, for those of you who've been wondering a little bit of what happened in the last Japanese Wisdom Party tour, I prepared a video summarizing a few of the events that happened there. So hope you enjoy. Here it is.

So this is the last day of the very first event, led by Tim Lohenhaupt and other teachers. Here they're going to have yoga class. They have meditation already in the morning.

They're going to have the last class then, and we're going to be checking how did it go. We're going to be...

[Speaker 2]
How was it? Very nice. Yeah, the best one?

Today's best one. Okay, great. Today's best one.

[Speaker 1]
What's going on? Mr. Errol. I see.

[Speaker 2]
What are you doing?

[Speaker 1]
Jenny, you too?

[Speaker 2]
Well, we just had yoga class, so now it must be time for a coffee.

[Speaker 1]
That's how you... That's how it goes, right? That's why you look so...

[Speaker 2]
Purify, toxify.

[Speaker 1]
Perfect. Perfect balance. Secret.

What's up? Good to see you. That's actually the question that I have for you.

[Speaker 2]
What's up?

[Speaker 1]
What's up? What's happening here? And they are about to start YSI, no?

Yeah, YSI will come up. What's the name of the event? Let's just see.

Enjoy the infinite free life. That's awesome. But this is not me supposed to be testing.

You're supposed to be testing.

[Speaker 2]
Who's next?

[Speaker 1]
You haven't done anything. What? Did you see what you did, Juan?

What have you done? We're making them memorize definitions to get into the last class. I think that's amazing.

It took me like 10 years to learn those definitions. These people are learning them from day one.

[Speaker 2]
And we're bribing them, of course. We have a big chocolate cake. If they get into the room, they get a chocolate cake.

You know, who wouldn't want chocolate cake?

[Speaker 1]
I'm telling you, Tim. One day, a more younger and handsome guy is going to come up. He's going to substitute us.

[Speaker 2]
We're talking about succession now.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. These kids are learning so much from day one. Took me 10 years, man.

Yeah, you know what? In 10 years, I hope they take over one. Yeah, me too.

Actually, sooner. Then we can retire and just go surfing and eat cake.

[Speaker 2]
Right, sit on the porch, get on a rocking chair and be like, back in the day.

[Speaker 1]
It's time, man. It's time to retire, man. It's time.

Good job. Thank you so much for everything you're doing here. It looks amazing.

Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
My name is Angel.

[Speaker 1]
And what was your favorite part about this event?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I like... He's telling stories very good. And he's throwing many questions and we can think about it.

And finally, I like the cake.

[Speaker 1]
What's your name? Eugene. Where are you from?

I was born in New York. I currently live in Tokyo. What's your favorite part about Tim's classes?

I like how honest he is about his afflictions with respect to his anger and how he perceives other people. Like, it's enjoyable to hear him talk about people as idiots while also, like, understanding that he knows that it's... He's one of them.

He's one of them. So it's very, very fun.

[Speaker 2]
It's true. It's very, very fun.

[Speaker 1]
I enjoy this a lot. And it's very clear how deeply knowledgeable he is. But he doesn't rely on this unnecessarily.

First question, what's your name?

[Speaker 2]
Yashen.

[Speaker 1]
And where are you from?

[Speaker 2]
From Taiwan.

[Speaker 1]
Great. So what was your favorite part about this course number two?

[Speaker 2]
There are some meditations about emptiness. It's really great. I really enjoyed it.

[Speaker 1]
So it's really nice to be in person and feel them as well as hear them. Different teachers appeal to different parts. Some, the heart.

Some, the head. Some... It's a secret.

[Speaker 2]
And so, how do we get better at meditation? First of all, we have to understand where we're going.

[Speaker 1]
Natural breathing.

[Speaker 2]
Release. Release. Earl delivered a so amazing class.

He asked us to get an upgrade in meditation. Especially, he explained the problem very clearly during our meditation.

[Speaker 1]
And he asked us to try to reach the highest goal. Hey guys. I just hear from the audience that you guys describe very, very well the problems of meditation.

Is it because you have had them yourself sometimes?

[Speaker 2]
You know, I was thinking about this today. I was thinking like... There's very, very few things that I feel like I know more than Geshe Michael about.

But I think I know more than him about crappy meditation. When we're talking about the problems of meditations and dullness, I think I know more than Geshe Michael.

[Speaker 1]
He likes to say that the captain who crashes the ship knows where the rocks are. Now, the good news is like people were actually enjoying the such in-detail descriptions. So, in a way, thank you so much for crashing your ship there.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, all that ship crashing has paid off. Hello, my name is Veronica. I'm from Taiwan.

This event is really amazing. My name is Yuki. I'm the director of Chinese language division from YSI.

I think we were teaching about how to train your mind. And then the meditation kept taught by Earl, which is really helpful for the people who are willing to develop their abilities in meditations. When are we going to see you again?

Sometime soon, we hope.

[Speaker 1]
Thanks for your football. Thanks for your hockey. Yes.

See you then. A pleasure. Thanks for the hospitality.

But today we are going to visit the event, the Hara Sutra. It's in a venue that is about two hours and 30 minutes. It's far from Kyoto.

So we're going to get there mostly by train. Hopefully, everything goes well on the trip. And we can show you what's going on over there.

[Speaker 2]
So here, guess who I met in the hotel? In the hallway. In the hallway.

Yeah, it's wonderful. Serendipitous moment. Yeah.

Well, it's a great opportunity for a group of Sophie Chow students who requested a teaching. And I thought, well, wouldn't it be great to give them one of the Geshe Michael sessions on the Hara Sutra? Wonderful.

[Speaker 1]
So we're doing the Hara Sutra from 2000, February of 2000, one month before Geshe Michael went into his three-year retreat.

[Speaker 2]
So guess who's here?

[Speaker 1]
Gibson! Good to see you. It's amazing.

Long story, crazy. The map says it will take me two hours and 30 minutes. But it actually took me like three hours and 30 minutes because I get lost, I need to talk to people, my internet is not working.

I think your Japanese is getting better right now. It's adventure, man. But it's great to see you.

Send your regards to the Mixed Nuts. Hi, everyone. I'm Gibson here in Japan.

[Speaker 2]
The Hara Sutra is quite famous in Japan.

[Speaker 1]
Everybody knows Hara Sutra, but nobody will know what is the real meaning. Yeah, there is a saying, you know the words, but you don't know the meaning, right? Yeah.

They recite Hara Sutra in the funeral, every funeral in Japan. Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2]
But it is true. We took a deep dive and it worked. And there were a lot of things that had to be set by example.

So, you know, personal stories help describe an aspect of the Hara Sutra through getting it into your life to use, not just to listen and intellectually try to understand it. That was Geshe Michael's whole point when he taught it. Like, how do you get it into your life?

And I think it's brilliant to think you understand the verses. And at the same time, the way he's teaching it, you can put it to work in your life.

[Speaker 1]
My name is Motoko Shiroda from Kyoto.

[Speaker 2]
Motoko.

[Speaker 1]
And you? I'm Megumi. And you?

I'm Sayo. You're from? I'm from Nagoya.

Okay. And you? Me too.

I'm from Nagoya. Wonderful. And?

I'm from Kyoto. Kyoto? Wonderful.

I've been there. Great. So, what was your favorite part of this event?

[Speaker 2]
Everything.

[Speaker 1]
The whole. Amazing. And for you?

Me also whole, but Q&A was very nice.

[Speaker 2]
Q&A. Q&A. And for you, Motoko?

Typically, I learned more about emptiness. So, my understanding about emptiness is more deeper.

[Speaker 1]
Wonderful. And what do you think about John Brady? Is he a good teacher?

Or it was boring? Boring or good? Just kidding.

Very good teacher. Okay. You recommend him.

Yes. Okay. I'll give you the money for you later.

I'm just kidding. Okay. Thank you very much.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you. Come to Japan.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe there's gonna be part 2. Sophie said maybe there's gonna be part 2. So, thank you very much.

I'm very nice to meet you. Thank you. Congratulations.

Say hello. Hello. Thank you very much.

Wonderful event. Thank you very much for hospitality. Okay.

Thank you very much. Thank you for the hospitality. See you next time.

Enjoy.