Стэнли Чен — Книга 2: Красноречивые слова о сути океана высшего знания (Гьялцаб Чже о «Своде высшего знания» — Абхидхарма-самуччае), занятие 6

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Let me, let me get it back. Microphones. You know, usually it's better.

Welcome this way. I think it's better in this table because you have more room. So, if you don't mind.

Something like this. Hey, okie dokie. Hi.

This is, it's okay. Okay. You guys ready.

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Yes. Let me share my screen. Okay.

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Right. Okay.

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So, I don't know if you remember, we were in the section where Gyaltsar Jay as the commentator is quoting Master Vasubandhu to explain Arya Sangha, who is his older brother and teacher.

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Remember that and then we were quoting a book by Master Vasubandhu about how to comment or explain a classic in with five different steps.

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It's awfully quiet here. Anyone remember. Yes, yes.

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And this five are the purpose.

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The, like a brief summary of the meaning of the text that you are going to comment on. And then the extensive explanation of each word and sentences. That's number three, and then the relationship between different parts of the text.

And a argument and response section where you can figure out all the points. Yeah, yep. Remember this morning.

Okay, so now we just, we went into the first part, the purpose part about Abhidhamma Samuccaya. Like why, what's the purpose that Arya Sangha has in mind when he wrote this book. And according to Gyaltsar Jay there is nine, there are nine purposes.

And then we finished, we finished six of them last class. And we are going to finish the last three today. So let's, so all the homework, it's about this first six.

What I want from any of you is if I tell you the first part of the purpose, then you tell me what's it for. Okay. We can try.

It's a fun game. So this book is written to help the students who are on the Mahayana track. That's the first purpose of the nine.

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What, what do we want the student on the Mahayana track to gain from this book?

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The ability to understand all of the different philosophical schools. Right. And the Mahayana.

Yeah. And there's a little more specific. It's related to three.

Self-made Buddhas and the Mahayanas you can teach.

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Yeah. Three tracks, all three tracks. Cool.

Awesome. What do we, what does Arya Sangha want to help the student of the lower tracks with? This one is funny.

He wants, he wants them to get better at their own system.

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Yeah. Basically saying that I'm going to teach you the Abhidharma that you don't understand, but you think you understand. So after you learn this book, you will understand what you thought you understood, but you didn't.

Number three, this one is also cute. So it's for the Mahayana track student who don't really understand Mahayana. They think they are a Mahayana track person.

He wants them to really enter the Mahayana path.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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All the five points of the coffee of Mahayana that they should taste. Number four, it's, this one's also cute. Well, each one is cute, but this one's really cute for Mahayana track students who got overwhelmed or confused by so many different great teachings after they enter Mahayana.

And that they started to learn different kinds of, for example, emptiness. And they got really confused. Watch Korean dramas.

Watch Korean soap operas.

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You mean Philosophically Mahayana?

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He wants to lend them a hand to reach out to them in their drunken confusion before they drown. Yeah, yeah. Save them before they drown.

Yeah, great. Great, great, great. Like people start with the pan story.

They thought, oh, I understand emptiness. And then they came to Xuanzang power.

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And something. Okay, number five.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Oh, I think. Also in this place.

We talked about. Rongxi and what's the word? Zen?

No. General and specific. Rongxi and Qishan.

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Okay.

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Of all things.

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If you want to check your notes. I don't remember. I think it's.

In the third one. In the third one. Oh, okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, I missed that. Thank you. And then number five.

It's to help people to gain the art of interpretation. What does it mean?

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Yeah, literally.

[Говорящий 1]
Right. Right. To keep them from being freaked out.

Right. Gisha gave the example of. Teaching his students to kill their father and mother.

And this is something to be taken. Literally. No.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Gisha also brought up the story when Jesus refused to go out to see. His mother, because he said when he was with his disciples, he's already with the family.

And he doesn't need to go out. Things like that. So number six.

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What does this text do for the students who like short, brief presentation?

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Disappoints. We should briefly.

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Yeah, there are in this. Yes.

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In this test, there are like brief parts, which summarize things. So they feel happy when they see that. When they see those parts.

Yeah. That's it. That's the homework.

And then we have three more to finish among these nine purposes. Can you two guys help me with that ball? Okay.

This one. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Yes, we're not going. Oh, okay.

Please read. Oh, yeah. Okay.

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Here. ,RGYAL PA LA, RGAGS PA BA'I NYUR.

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,NGOR. ,NGOR. ,NGOR.

,NGOR. Oh, sounds like you can't do it. Tough word.

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,SDUN RE RE YANG RAB TU YED BA.

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Good.

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,HA YED PAS DGOS NAS ZHES PA YED PA DANG.

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Yeah. Yeah, so ngor means ngola, means to their face, literally. But it means if you find people who gawa gyelpa.

Who like extensive? Yeah, they like a long story. If you find that kind of person, to them, ngor, to their face, meaning to them.

Then yeah, each point, generally here means each point, should be introduced through endless divisions. Okay, and then they will understand it. Okay, cool.

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In this school, we're going to like...

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Yeah, we'll have parts where we tell you too much. Ah, I see. And there's some people who will like it.

Oh, I see. Nice. This point of this list is something for everybody.

I got something for everybody here. Number eight.

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duk de nyampa nyam guk sowa It's got to be sowa.

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Sobatang, ma nyampa nam gyelpar nyawatang Yeah, I suppose it means, yeah, when the teaching of some sutras has nyampa in the world. Disappeared? Yeah, or has degenerated, declined.

And then this is the sowa and sojo. We will refresh it. And where it hasn't nyampa...

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Hasn't declined.

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Will gyelpar. Will increase. Will spread it more.

If the teaching has declined, we'll liven it back up. And if it hasn't declined, we'll just spread it wider. Mixed nuts are in the business of first or second?

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Both.

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Oh, I was thinking of the second. First one mainly, I don't know. First one mainly?

Well, there's not much around. Oh, I see, I see. It's not like there's mixed nuts in every building.

Ah, I see. Rare birds. Okay, number nine.

Stanley, you want to choose someone to read? Uh, yeah.

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Let me see.

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Let's start with Oscar. Oscar, he has no fun. Okay.

Gyepar du, pungkam kyeche.

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Kyeche ki, dupey djeewa tang, trang sok sampar, rikpey nyenam la, gyepar tsene, dela tempey, penjum nyampa nyi, to par tsewey tsejino.

[Говорящий 1]
Good, okay. OK, specifically, I can assist about it. Unkham kye je che kye gyuwe yewa dharmandaw, so yeah, OK.

What's samparigbe ne? Samparigbe ne. Rigpa here means appropriate.

Correct, or appropriate. These are appropriate for specific minds? Yeah, points that are worth thinking about.

Points that are worth thinking about. There's lots of points that are not worth thinking about. Samparigbe ne namla.

It's interesting that he made that clarification. I'm going to talk to you about things that are worth thinking about. And that's something I love about these books.

There's always something worth thinking about. OK, samparigbe ne namla. And you will become a khepa.

Yeah. You will master them. Yeah.

I'll make you a master. And then, if you actually practice what I'm describing, then here, breath in, if you rely on it, two good things are going to happen to you. Two good things will happen to you.

And then those are hidden in here, the two things. One is, when he started this whole couple of pages, he said, I'm going to tell you two good things that's going to happen to you. Number one, you're going to understand what the heck we're talking about.

And then number two, nine different things. So it's confusing. It's a confusing list.

He says, there's two good things going to happen to you if you study this book. Number one, you're going to understand everything we talk about. Number two, you've got nine different things.

You will achieve them, Topocha. Cool? All right.

That's a difficult one, because it's 1 plus 9. Who is 1 plus 9? It's who is 1 plus 9.

Yeah, confusing. Confusing. Let me get this thing up on my screen.

Let's see. Let me get it up. I'll be Sam.

We've got to go back here. OK. All right.

What am I supposed to do here? Go back to Zoom. Go back to Zoom.

This guy. Good? Yep.

All right. I appreciate you moved these two things. Yeah, I moved this guy over.

Let's see. OK. How's that?

And this one to the edge. Going to the edge. Oop.

You pull your pants up. Wait a second. OK.

Yeah, we finished that part. Right? Yeah, we finished all nine of them.

Into the divinity. So who's going to read? Uh, Nick, are you still awake?

I don't think he is. He's here. Oh, I'm here.

I'm here. Help me? Yeah.

How can we still be awake? It's 1 o'clock. Is it 1 o'clock for you?

Almost, yeah. Whoa. That's inspiring.

You can sleep in tomorrow, OK? I hope so. I'll try.

OK, Nibbha. Tencha di-dupe-ten-ni. Yeah, the second Vastu Vasa Bandhas Five Strategies was dupe-ten.

The meaning of the abbreviated. We're going to summarize the whole shastra for you. We're going to summarize this whole shastra.

OK? All right. Now, by the way, something important here.

What's the name of this book? Samuchaya. Abhidharma?

Abhidharma. Abhidharma? Abhidharma.

Samuchaya. OK, so Abhidharma, you know it means higher knowledge. Samuchaya means a collection.

In Tibetan, it's kuntu. The long form is kun le dupa, which means collected from everywhere. So kuntu, or kun le dupa, means a collection from everywhere.

The whole book is called The Collection from Everywhere, The Collection from All the Abhidharmas. And it's divided into sections, classic sections, that are all called kuntu. That's very confusing.

There's like five, six sentences. There's five, six kuntus in the kuntu. OK?

There's five or six summaries inside the compendium. And that's very confusing. So here, and when we talk about dupay dun, which is Master Vasubandhu's second strategy to approach a book, is learn to group the topics into sections.

And then this is the ultimate book that follows Vasubandhu's advice, because it's called sections. OK? Got it?

So we're going to be introduced to different kuntus in the kuntu. OK, good. All right, here we go.

You want someone to read it?

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Ben. Ben.

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Don't, yeah, don't go, yeah, I'm good. Doi don tar, if we follow the example of the sutras, okay, and we kun tu this tenchu, did you translate this part?

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No, no. Oh, okay.

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It's yours. If we kun tu this tenchu, if we make it, summaries, okay, there's six. Actually, there's only five, okay, but he's got six.

Okay, six. Yong su shepa is an important word in the Abhidharma, and it means, yong su means everything. So, kind of a broad knowledge, or deep knowledge, yong su shepa.

And he's got five or six here, okay. The ngopos yu shed yong su shepa. Oh, the hips.

I know, just, so first, I'm going to describe the things I want you to understand deeply. Then, I'm going to explain the duns of understanding deeply, which is the same thing, the objects. So, it could mean, I'm going to tell you what it means to understand deeply, but we don't know yet, okay, we don't know yet.

Then, I'm going to give you the gyu for yong su shepa. The gyu? Yeah.

What's the cause for a thorough understanding? What can you do to create the cause to understand thoroughly? Then, I'm going to teach you the sherab for yong su shepa.

The wisdom? Yes, the wisdom which helps you understand everything well. Then, I'm going to give you the debra on yong su shepa.

The cause, result? The result, yeah, I'm going to tell you the result. Then, I'm going to talk about understanding it deeply, or something, we're up to it.

Super knowledge. Super knowledge of super knowledge. Are we referring to Abhidharma, in general, here?

I don't know. Because that's higher knowledge. No.

No, okay. That's, no, that's Chögyam Trungpa. Okay, Trungpa.

Okay, here we go. By the way, I thought at this point, it would be useful to know the kundus. Because the book is called kundu, and it's divided into kundus.

And to understand the next section, you have to know the names of all the kundus, which is kind of like chapters. Okay, so here we go. This is, I added from the structure of the book, okay?

And here's the, and I thought you might like to know how long each one is in the original. Like, how much weight does each one get? Okay, so here we go.

Please read this one. Zenny Kundetupa. Yeah, a compendium or a summary of definitions.

Zenny, okay. Or qualities, okay? And that's the first kundu.

Okay, that's called the first kundetupa, okay? So the first kundetupa is the kundetupa. The first kundetupa of the kundu is kundetupa on Zenny.

Okay. The first kundu of the kundu is the kundu on Zenny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, yeah, all right. And I, man, you don't know how long it took me to get this. The second kundu is called kundu, but it doesn't have the name kundu in it.

And it means ngepa de denpa, as a verb, ngepa as a verb. It's too summarized. Certain truth.

Realize or confirm it. We had a bunch of ngepas today in Gibson's talk. So the perception of the truth.

The ascertainment of the truth in English. All right, third kundu, chen ngepa. Yeah, which is the perception of the Dharma.

How's that different from the other ones we don't know? But look at the weight here. When I study a book, when I start a book, I like to see the weight of each section.

First section, 29 folios, which is 240 pages in English. Okay, 240 pages in the first kundu. Second kundu is, again, around 230 pages about truth.

Third one, five folios. Yeah, 40. 40 pages, okay.

And it's just strange. It's the third kundu is, the third kundu is 20% of each of the other ones. It's short.

For some reason, it's short, okay. Then we have nampa ngepa as a verb, ascertaining. Ascertaining.

If you're hung up on ngepa meaning certain, you can use the English verb that has certain inside of it. Ascertaining.

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Ascertaining.

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Yeah, okay. If you really want to keep the flavor. The ascertainment of topa.

Cool. Of achievement. Yeah, of achievements.

And even though the name of the chapter is ascertainment, Gyatso Je refers to it as kundu shipa, the fourth summary. The fourth summary, meaning the fourth chapter, okay. Got it?

And that's sort of in the middle. It's about a hundred pages in English, okay. And then, gyelway tam nampa ngepa kundu.

Now he uses both words. He says ascertainment, meaning the compendium, or the section, kundu nge tupa, called the ascertainment of gyelway tam. Gyelway tam means the interconnection of the discussion.

Gyelwa means connected love. And tam means discussion. Now, if you drop the R, it becomes belway tam, which is an extremely rare word for a discussion.

A discussion. Yeah. And there's something amazing throughout this Abhidharma Samuccaya literature, is they will use them interchangeably, which is very, very strange and very unusual.

I looked it up, the Sanskrit, and it's more the one about a discussion. It's Sankhya, actually. So, you know, it's interesting.

Throughout the literature, they're going to mix them up. The whole literature, hundreds of pages, they're going to mix these two up, just so you know. Gyelway tam means discussion which has some connection, talk which has some interconnectedness.

Is this the fourth part of Vasubandhu's strategy, right? There's interconnection. Yeah, there is a connection, yeah.

Wow. Yeah. Okay, so, but you might see beltam, okay, which is really weird.

It's really weird.

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What is that? Okay.

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Sanskrit, what was the word? Say again? What was the Sanskrit word you remember?

I think it's Sankhya, story. I wrote it down here. It means a story, something like that, or an account.

Okay, all right, who's going to read Stanley and torture somebody? Tim. By the way, he's going to try to tell you the function of these six.

Right, oh, Gyatsaji is going to comment on them. Yeah, by the way, now we're not talking about the kundus, because those are five. We're going to go back to his list.

He has six kundus, which are not the chapters. They're topical. The broad understanding.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay? Okay, so here we go. I see, many lists.

Yeah, so I wrote here, up six, not the five. Oh, got it, got it, got it. Who's going to read?

Mr. Lahrenhaupt. Lahrenhaupt. Lahrenhaupt, nice.

Okay, nice. DE LA DANG PO NI KYIS MI LAM GYI MIG PA'I YULG SU BAR DEN LA BAR MA NI CHOS PA'I NAM LEN NI NO BO DANG DANG MA NI KYIS DPANG BA DANG TOGS PA'I DUS PA'I JE BUR TEN THOG Nice, okay. Okay, so he kind of divides it into, he divides the six into three themes, something like that, okay.

The first two, okay, the first two of the six, all right, the first two of the six, the first two of the six was things you should know thoroughly and objects you should know thoroughly, okay? We don't know the difference, right? Okay, the first two are giving you the mikpa of the lam.

Mikpa can mean object of a perception, like blue is the mikpa of perception, but it can also mean mik yul, which means goal. So we don't know which one he's meaning here. We don't know if it's the object of omniscience or if it's the goal of omniscience.

We don't know yet, okay, mikpa. So what that means mainly, mainly the purpose of the first two of the sections of the whole text is to understand mainly the object of the path, the goal of the path. But don't forget that lam can mean perception, in which case it would be the perception, the object of a perception, rather than the goal of a path.

Yeah, so it's very tricky. Okay, now we covered the first two of the six. Harmony means, well, that's tricky, harmony.

The middle of the two, the middle two, the second one, that's the middle one? The middle two of the six, which is three and four. Right.

He just calls them the middle two. Takes a lot, okay? The middle two are giving us the essence of nyam len.

And this is the chuppa you find in Avatara, Bodhisattva Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Activities to practice, what you should do to practice? Yeah, what you should be practicing.

What did he call them above? Cause and effect. He called them the cause for knowing everything and the wisdom of knowing everything.

And later he says that refers to the activities that you have to practice. Okay? Wait, cause and effect of knowing everything.

He said everything, yes. That's okay. Then dhamma means the last two.

So he's treating the six in three pairs. The last two, dhamma nyi, they're telling you what you should bam and what you should dok. Take care.

Yeah, if you bam correctly and if you don't correct me, here's what kind of dibble you're going to get. Yeah, what kind of spiritual result are you going to get? Thank you.

All right. Now he's going to relate those six topical sections to the actual chapters, which are five. Okay.

Okay, he's going to relate the six topics to the five chapters. The five kundus, yeah. The five groupie chapters.

Groupie chapters. Who's going to read? Sugen, Uncle Sugen.

Yeah, I miss you, Sugen. Not much. Be careful, he's coming back soon.

Somehow I get more cinnamon rolls when you're not here. Sorry. Nice, okay.

So the first, first which he said is yong su shepa jang yin mongpo, the thing that I want you to grasp. The thing that you're supposed to become very knowledgeable about, yong su shepa jang yin mongpo. It's the first chapter of the whole book, which is called sen yin kun lai drup pa.

It matches, the first one matches the first one. The first one matches the first one, so far. Yeah.

Okay, yeah, which is called the compendium or the chapter on definitions. Right, sen. Or qualities, we don't know yet.

Oh, okay. And from that chapter, by the way, it only refers to part of the chapter. Okay, lai means inside of that chapter is taught denpa, pung kam kye je.

Oh, heaps, doors of senses, and categories. Yeah, the heaps, categories, and doors of sense, which are expressed in 35 different items. Okay, 35 items.

Oh. 35 items in the first chapter to cover the three main topics of the first chapter of the Abhidharma Kosha.

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Oh, it is the Kosha.

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Yeah, okay. Now we're seeing some connections between his two Abhidharma texts. Right, yeah.

By the way, I have to say something about this text, having swam in it a little bit. Gyaltsab je, and by the way, Anatole is making extremely good progress on Nick's 60 Verses commentary, which is huge. It's huge, and he'll be done next week, looks like.

It's huge, and he's doing a final check of it. And that text is written very much in colloquial Tibetan. Okay, it's philosophical colloquial Tibetan, like you might hear in a monastery.

This text is really odd because it's written in Abhidharma language itself. Gyaltsab je is writing in almost a 2,000-year dialect, and it's strange. It's really strange.

I don't know if he's going to keep it up or not, or if he's making an effort or not, or if it's some kind of weird natural thing coming out, but this is not a normal scriptural Tibetan. This is very old language, okay? I don't know if he's just doing that at the beginning, which sometimes they do to show off, and then they break out, but let's see, okay?

Very difficult language so far. Okay, Mipa, which, see, first he said, I'm going to give you the ruffle that you should thoroughly understand, the thing, and now I'm going to give you the bin that you should thoroughly understand, which is the object. So what the heck is the difference?

And I made it known here. It seems a little difficult to separate. Denpa nam na is the second kuntu, which is the ascertainment of the truth, perceiving the truth.

And that's the object. Second chapter of the mother book is called ascertaining truth, okay? And it has a teaching on Denshi, on the four truths.

So he's going to discuss the four truths. The second section, the second huge section, like 100 pages from now, it's going to be about the four truths, okay? Et cetera.

And we got an et cetera here, okay? The second... Yeah.

Excuse me, because Nupo and Jun are so close as, meaning like thing and object, doesn't it seem more likely that dun means meaning in that case? Yeah, it could be. It could be.

If you think of the real meaning as the four truths, okay? Like what's the difference in feeling between the four truths and the categories of existence? You see?

That's the point. How do you feel? How do you feel different when I say, here's the categories of all existing things, and here's the four truths?

Four truths seems to go deeper into the content, right? And then the first one seems like a list. You know, the 35 categories or something.

So what Word is saying correctly is that the first one is more the Nupo that you're supposed to know, the things that you're supposed to know. And then the second one, Den, is kind of like the meaning below the things you're supposed to know, which is the four truths. That's Word's trying to give us a distinction between the first two chapters.

The first two of the six points. Right, okay. All right, here we go.

Number three, which was supposed to be YONGS SU SHES PA'I RGYUD, which is causes of thorough knowledge. And I'm going to propose something like aids to comprehension. So cause becomes an aid or a condition which helps you to comprehend.

And they are very worldly. And they're very interesting for that reason. Okay, here we go.

They're almost like Hatha Yoga Pradipika. All right. So here we go.

Subhani, NAM BAR NGES PA KUN LAS STOPS PA, which is, he's going back to the second kuntu of the five, which is the... Realization or something like that. No, that's a sixth.

You're back in the sixth. Oh, yeah. I'm in the five.

Second chapter of the whole book is called the chapter on ascertainment. Okay. Which now we know, you're going to see what it means.

DBANG PO'I GOB DONG PA is a common expression for controlling your senses. Not eating too much, not watching too much Netflix, you know, like that. It's a practice of pratyahara.

Okay. In Tibetan, DBANG PO'I GOB DONG PA means... Here, DONG PA doesn't mean vow.

It doesn't mean vow. It means to control the doors of your senses. And this is connected to that thing where monks are supposed to keep their eyes on the floor when they walk through the Port Authority, which used to be my big...

challenge. So, controlling your senses, and then knowing the tse of what you saw. The measure, the amount of what you ate?

Exactly. Being careful about the quantity of food you eat. So now we see that the word gyu here is more like an aid or something that's going to help your comprehension.

Supporting. Yeah. Don't let your eyes wander around the bus station.

When you eat, be aware of your portions. Be careful with your portions. These are all traditional supports for meditation.

And prajna sutra. Yeah, a real strong practice of morality. And these are all...

So that third one is very interesting. He called it the causes of knowledge, but really they are aids or supports for the state of knowledge. Outside supports, like don't eat too much and don't let your eyes wander around and stuff like that.

Well, it's morality. It could be difficult. Yeah, yeah, that's true too.

Okay. Now we're going to talk about the wisdom for thorough knowledge. Which was the fourth of the sixth.

I thought fourth is the result. Did we talk about that? Cause and result.

It's coming after that. Oh. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Yeah, okay. Somewhere between there.

Okay, so what is it referred to? That's easy. Chan chok so dun.

Say, Chan chok so dun. Chan chok so dun. There's 37 elements of enlightenment.

Extremely difficult subject. Treated masterfully by Mr. Kramer in his book already published. Okay, so nowadays, like I'm teaching this sutra called Vimalakirti.

I just go to Ben's book. I just go pull it out of Ben's book cause he did it. He covered it all and he covered it clearly.

So these are the 37 elements of enlightenment. Hard to find a good list. His book is a good list.

And they're actually the practice, right? Not the... You're gonna ask Kramer, right?

Okay. Okay. He's nodding his head.

Okay, what's the result of thorough knowledge? Okay. Gok den.

Gok den. Gok den, where? The truth of the end of the path.

Yeah. Truth of cessation. Stopping of suffering.

The truth of the stopping of suffering. Okay. Which is the third Arya truth.

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Right.

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Okay. Truth of the stopping of suffering. Okay.

Six was some kind of super knowledge of the five. Is it... Please, who's gonna read that?

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Let me see. Marina, would you like to try? WBP.

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WBP.

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Do it for me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So say, please say, SEMS RGYAS BA'I YI SHES SEMS RGYAS BA'I YI SHES Yes, the wisdom that knows that things have stopped and are not going to start again. It's an Abhidharma. SEMS RGYAS SEMS RGYAS means stop and not restart.

They will stop and they will not restart. That's like a sensation. So that's a kind of wisdom in the Abhidharma Kosha.

It's called the wisdom that things will stop and not restart. It's kind of the ultimate wisdom. And the wisdom of number dua, freedom, liberation.

These are high, ultimate Abhidharma wisdoms. Humbo means whole heap, a pile of those kinds of wisdoms. A whole grab bag of those kinds of wisdoms.

Now, I was kind of irritated that he's got five chapters and six divisions. And then, you know, I have the root text, which is long. It's 220 pages.

Sorry, it's long. It's quite long. The original of the Abhidharma Samuccaya, which we are not reading.

We are reading his commentary, which many times skips huge sections of the original. It's not a word-by-word commentary. It's a concept commentary.

So I was like, why is he bringing up all these weird things? And then I went to the original Abhidharma Samuccaya by Arya Sangha, just to see if he mentioned these weird kinds of wisdom. And he did not.

Okay. This is Kyabje. He's throwing in this stuff.

Just so you know, it's kind of irritating. He's got a whole new category, which is not in the original. But he is commenting on the five kundi.

Supposedly, kind of. Not really, though. Not really.

Wow. Okay. Okay.

He has six divisions of the whole book. He identifies six topics of the whole book. And then he says, topic number one, you're going to find in the first kundi.

Topic number two, you might find some of it in the third. You know, he goes like that. He's just trying to help us out.

It would have been easier if he said there's five kundis. There's five chapters. Here's what's in the first chapter.

Here's what's in the second chapter. He didn't do it that way. He divided the universe into worthy things.

And then he said, you know, the first one of these is actually found in the book, in the third chapter. You're like, well, okay. It's like that.

It's very confusing. Really confusing. Okay.

All right. We're going to go to the fourth kundi, which is actually the fourth chapter. Then he says, who's going to read?

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Yeah. Oh, Rob, can you try?

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I can. This is kind of comfortable.

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Yeah, right.

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Very comfortable.

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It's good for meditation.

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Okay.

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CHEH TUK CHEH KEE GANG SA TANG TUK TUK BRRRR WA WEH TUK CHEH CHEH CHEH SU JAR TEH TEN LA TUK PEH YUN TEN KYE BAR CHEH TANG DRAL WA DRAL WA DRAL WEH DRAL WEH TAM NI YONG SU SHAPE YONG SU SHAPE DRE BUY NANG DU DU BAR BYA'O Nice.

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This should be duer. I'm going to correct it. So I just decided to correct the piece.

OK. THOB PA RNAM PAR MYUR PA NI The fourth of the kuntus, the fourth of the five actual chapters, is called the ascertainment of attainment. Yes.

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So you were supposed to go around, yeah.

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As a team of attainment? Oh, attainments. Oh, okay.

Yeah, okay. Learning about attainments. How's that?

Okay, learning about attainments. Like CDs? Like the...

I was gonna tell. Okay. At Top Gen Yidazan, we will present both the Kansa, who does the tolpa yin, the person who does the yin, and we'll match it up with the chud that they told.

The things that they were... The thing that they had pain. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll match up attainer with attainment. I see. Okay, right?

Cool. And that's how we're gonna present the fourth kundra. Okay.

And we're gonna present some tam, some discussion, which relates to yin tents that you're gonna tolpa. Good qualities you'll... Good qualities that you will attain.

And those are kyepa ten. Those are amazing. We're gonna talk about who it is that does the attainings.

We're gonna talk about what it is that they attained. Then we're gonna talk about the good qualities you get after you attain. And we're gonna have a discussion.

Connected to that. He did not use bel, he used drel. But trust me, he's gonna...

Okay. Okay. Oh, that's one of the six.

Yeah, it was one of the six. It's the fifth of the six. Ah, I see, okay.

So he's trying to connect his six ideas to the five kundras, the five chapters of kundra. Okay, good. Nangdu duwa means it's included in there.

Okay. Okay. So basically, what you achieve, who achieves it, and a discussion of the coolness of what you achieve is all gonna be part of the discussion of discussing the result of knowledge, okay?

The results of knowledge, okay? And you're gonna have to read to this. I mean, it gets worse.

It's getting worse right now. Oh, good. Who wants to read it?

Lindsay wants to do it. She wants the worst one. I'm gonna just split it temporarily so she doesn't have a breakdown, right?

Okay. Yang se ma kun le tu pe. We go to here.

She wa...

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She ja.

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She ja ji ne pa so wo sen la. Den la? I think it's good.

Den la. Den pa nang gye kyi ji te pa wa shin du yod pa tang. Okay, cool.

So look, here's the second of the five kundras is coming. Okay? Then the third of the five kundras is coming.

Then the fourth of the five kundras is coming. And then the fifth of the five kundras is coming. Therefore, the one before two, three, four, five should be one.

Am I right? Okay. Which is se ni kun le tu pa.

Definitions. The chapter on definitions. Someone has put here someone.

Okay. And maybe they got hung up on, it sounded like tsultrim. Or God knows.

But it was hard to fix. Okay. Got it?

And the way I fixed it, I said, did he treat the second chapter? Next. Yes.

Did he treat the third chapter of that? Check. Did he treat the fourth chapter of that?

Yes. Did he treat the fifth chapter of that? Yes.

Therefore, this must be the first chapter. Which is not se ni kun le tu pa. It's se ni kun le tu pa.

Different. Okay. Tricky.

Extremely tricky mistake. Someone has misnamed the first chapter of the whole book. See how I got put up with these guys.

You guys are easy. Okay. So, we're assuming he's talking about the first chapter.

Okay. The chapter on definition. Right on.

Not Pramana. Not Kirti. Okay.

It's mainly done by teaching shi jar.

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Shi jar. It's noble.

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Noble stuff. Now, noble stuff in the universe, things you can know in the universe, is divided into two. Ji ta wa and ji nye pa.

The way they are and how many they are. Yeah. The total sum of things there are, A, useful to know.

B, the way the total sum of things is. Number two. The way of all things.

Number one, all things. Number two, the way they exist. And these are the two great divisions of omniscience.

Mr. Know-It-All and Mr. Know-How-It-All. Okay, got it? It's called ji nye pa.

All the things there are. Nye pa means how many. And ta wa means how they are.

So, what he's saying is, the emphasis of the first, and this is now, we got to something useful. Okay. The emphasis of the whole first chapter, which could take us five years to finish, is she ja ji nye pa.

A list of all the stuff in the universe. And we've sensed that already. He was talking about heaps, doors of sense, categories, just like Anitabha's first chapter.

Okay. We sensed it already. The first chapter, the first kundu, samuchaya, of samuchaya, he's talking about all the divisions of all the stuff there is.

That's a nice place to start. Okay. And then it gets into perceiving the truth of those things, the true nature of those things, which is ji ta wa.

How do they exist? Okay. Ji nye pa means how many.

Ji ta wa means how's this day? Okay, got it? That's the second chapter.

First, we list all the stuff in the universe, which is a typical Amitabha thing to do. But we know from the first chapter of the other Amitabha. And then secondly, which is different in this Mahayana Amitabha, we're going to tell you how it exists.

Cool. That's cool. It is.

Yeah. You want to go to the third kundu? You have a few minutes.

Okay. Who's going to read that? You got Lindsay right here.

Nice. Since you mentioned.

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chen nam par gye pa'i nye pa'i nye pa'i ji ta wa thang ji nye pa'i nye pa'i nye pa'i tok par gye pa'i thab sung rab yang You can stop here.

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la chak ku ni de no sung du du pa'i gyu tsen sok thang Nice. Okay. So the third kundu or the third chapter, the third sammuchaya of the...

Sammuchaya. Sorry. Third sammuchaya of the sammuchaya is called the ascertainment of things.

And now we're going to lump together all the ji ta was and all the ji nye mas. Oh, all the sung and the way they are. Yeah.

How many stuffs there are and what ways they are. Okay. And then we're going to talk about what's the top to top those two things.

What's the method in which realize them. Yeah. What's the method in which a normal schmuck like me can learn to see all the stuff there is in the universe and all the way they are.

Okay. Okay, so that's the third kundu. What's the first chapter of this whole 50 year project?

All the things.

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Yeah.

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How much stuff is there to try and understand? Secondly, how do they exist? Their emptiness.

Okay. Which is not treated in the kosha. Only in the sammuchaya.

Kosha doesn't even talk about it. So then we got the first chapter. Then we got the second chapter.

And then thirdly, top. How does a normal person come to perceive the contents of the first two chapters? Which that's the third chapter.

That's nice. That makes sense. Okay.

Now, how do you learn that top? You depend on sunra. The scriptures.

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Okay.

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The scriptures. And specifically the yin, lang, chun, yi. And these are the famous 12 divisions of Buddhist scripture.

And they're quite difficult. Okay. There were 12 formats of Buddhism.

Like commentaries, or like that. Stories. That's the first debate I ever had in the monastery.

Someone asked me, don't miss the 12th. And I had never heard of that. And I got killed.

That guy became the head of the Tantric College. And he's in line to hold the Tsongkhapa's throne. And he's killing me on the first night.

The 12th. Okay. But by the way, I did write an essay about them somewhere.

You can find it. Oh, okay. Deyna Sumtadipa.

You can take those 12 classical formats of Buddhist scripture and include them into the Deyna Sumtadipa. Oh, how many Deyna Sumtadipas? The three pitikas.

Tripitaka. Okay. It's the three baskets of scripture, which are based on the study of morality, concentration, and wisdom.

Okay. The 12 are spread around the three, throughout the three. Some of the 12 are in multiple of the three.

Okay. It's a long story. Okay.

Yuppie Ginseng. Okay. Why?

Why do you group all these 12 formats of holy scripture into three baskets? He's going to discuss that in the third kundal. Okay.

Which is actually a study of the method for perceiving how all the things in the universe are and what all the things in the universe are. Meaning how to achieve all missions. Yeah, exactly.

Yes. What's left after that, I don't know. You'll have to find out in the next episode.

Yeah. So Stanley's going to translate the next two. Well, you can, might as well do the same one here.

It's very short. Look, I'll show you something cool. Look.

The third paragraph you're going to, the third sentence you're going to translate for the next time. Okay. He jumps out of Dreltham into Beltham.

Oh. We catch him. We catch him.

I see. And people are mixing up badly, Dreltham and Beltham for the rest of your life. Okay.

Okay. Okay. It's very frustrating.

God, you just think you're trying to clean this up. I'll see you finish this one. So you're going to give me the next two sections.

Yeshula. Yeah. FYI, there's a footnote on the Sungrab Chunni in the Golden Key.

Oh, that's where it was. Yeah. Okay, good.

Can you get it ready for next time and maybe you can go over it with us? We just did it in my class like last night. I have it right here.

Do you want me to send it to Stanley? Well, I kind of like you to explain it next class. Sure.

I would love to if you'd like me to. Five minutes or less. Sure.

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Well, can you still send it to me?

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Yeah, I'll send it to you right now.

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Yeah.

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Okay. Okay, Uncle Kramer, any last words?

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You know, I want to thank everybody again for being here. Thank you, Stanley, for stepping up at the last moment. Thank you, live translators.

I want to leverage my privilege in being able to say goodnight, especially for those who aren't staying, but I'm sure everyone's staying for Dr. Word. But I in particular want to thank Gish and Michael tonight because I met him exactly 20 years ago last night. Me and Lucas, that's the exact same thing.

I looked old then, I look old now. And it's just been an amazing ride and I'm very grateful. And tonight was the first night I heard you teach in person at a little bookstore, a Barnes and Noble in Cincinnati, Ohio.

And you came in the wee hours of the night, you arrived and we met you late last night. It's been, it was a hard time in my life. I was looking for guidance and I wanted to learn things and I was looking for a teacher and friends and profound things to learn.

And you gave me all of those things and gave me a complete life to live. And I've been able to throw my whole heart and mind and soul into everything that you've given me. And it's just made my life beautiful.

And I thank you so much.

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Thank you. Nice to hear that. Thank you.

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Thank you. Dr. Word, you're standing by ready to accept all the friends who would like to learn to read.

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I think he ran away. Now I'm making a, now I'm preparing for the Songrab Chunni talk. Wonderful.

By the way, when did the three girls take over and you retire? This weekend, I hope. Goodbye, you guys.

Thank you, Keshi, Michael. Love you. Thank you.

Bye. Love you. Thank you, Kramer.