Ник Лашо — Книга 2: Ратнамала, занятие 45

[Говорящий 1]
This is what I look like when I'm whiting out the answers on my quiz. You shouldn't put that stuff on your screen, really. What stuff on your screen?

Whiteout, we put it in whiteout on a screen. That's one way to get zits off. Whiteout's not even a thing anymore.

That's probably true. I don't think, Amelie will never know what whiteout is. Poor dear.

I got you, Michael. Hi. We went to the Ukrainian, they came to, the Ukrainian ballet came to Cambridge, Arizona.

Can you believe it? What? I'm surprised.

It was awesome. Did you invite them personally? No.

I mean, they asked me to dance, but I was too busy. That doesn't look like Rimrock. That's amazing.

It was Rimrock. Anyway, sorry I didn't have time to put a tie on. It was a tie-less Monday.

Where's Nick? Where's his homework? My homework is here.

Welcome to Schwenzang's Tower. It's me and Gibson, so everybody knows. Here we go.

I have homework. I think. Hold on.

There it is. Okay. It was about a month ago, so hopefully some of you remember what we covered.

If not, that's okay. We'll figure this all out together. We're just, we're just working through it.

Okay. Okay. This first one I think should be easy for those of us who have studied the Middle Way a bit.

Please explain how the proof that things are neither one nor many establish that everything is empty of truly existing. I'm exempt from homework, right? You do not have to answer, especially this one.

Yay. But I think that, I think that we have enough folks here who would be willing to take a shot at it. It's this thing about things are not really existing because they're not really one nor really many.

Right. That's a good start. Totally.

And that they are not really one because they have parts. Yeah, good. Good.

Nice. They're not really many because? They are not even one.

Really one. Really one. Close.

I think you're on the right track. Can you state it a little bit? Way to get, a way to get the sound, the sound.

Yeah, just open his microphone. Okay, okay. Just open his mic.

Right. You can come up here. No more than one mic open near Tim's couch, please.

[Говорящий 2]
I think what he was trying to say was that it follows that without one, there's no many.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah.

Yeah. How can you have many, many one things that don't really exist? Great.

Would anybody like to take a shot at sharing the name of this proof in the source language that we're studying? Did you say would I like to shoot somebody? What?

Rebecca says Cheetor Joe. Yeah, good. Does anybody know the full, Cheetor Joe is kind of a nickname.

Does anybody know? Wait, how much money was that? How much money do you offer, Nick?

Either one or many monies. Or none.

[Говорящий 2]
Self-existent or otherwise?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, however many self-existent monies are in the world, I'm going to give that all to the person who answers. Is it Chik Dang Duma Drelwa? Yeah, good.

Thank you. Chik Dang Duma Drelwa Kitansik. I think sometimes it's Duma.

Good. Okay. So yes, I was right.

That was the answer. What's the famous misspelling? T-U?

Yeah, Chik Dujo. Because people think that it's a Lajan particle, but it's really short for Duma. Exactly.

I'll give you 100 cents. All the sense I have is thanks to you, Geshe Michael. I know.

That's so generous. Common sense or... Incense.

I need to come visit Arizona. Yeah. That's enough.

We got to Berlin. Now we're sophisticated. Yeah, okay.

Then I can come. That's why I'm drinking this smart water. All right.

Please explain what Gyaltsabje is talking about when he says, without a foundation, there is nothing to rest upon that foundation. This is kind of like what much of my last class was about after we finished the proof of one or many. So I just thought we could have some fun to try to remember.

[Говорящий 2]
Without that thing, there could not be the emptiness of that thing.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Yeah. That's partly.

I mean, that's what we said when we were talking about this part. He was talking about something specific. He was trying to describe that there was no...

I mean, that's true. That's true. And do you remember, Oscar, what he was trying to describe or what this section is describing?

Like the emptiness? Oh, no, I don't remember. Yeah, you're almost saying it.

It's very much almost what you said.

[Говорящий 2]
Whether physical form is empty of existing in truth by nature or not.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, close. I mean, that's it. You're onto it.

It's like we were talking about whether... So if a self-existent thing doesn't exist through any nature... If a thing doesn't exist through any nature of its own, does the fact that things don't exist through any nature of their own exist through some nature of its own?

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah. Okay.

I'll be... That's one way to go with it. Sorry.

I can be quiet, but it's my class, so I won't. He's responding to a question about whether or not the fact that physical form has no nature of its own exists through any nature of its own. Okay.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
So if there's nothing existing through any nature of its own...

[Говорящий 1]
Nice spelling. Nice spelling. Difficult spelling.

Oh, yes. I answered the question for you. The source language for that.

Good. Does wisdom... And please feel free to answer everyone, including you, Paula.

I just... Does wisdom, an antidote to ignorance, smash and destroy self-existing things? No.

Rob says no. Good, Rob. I heard that.

Why not? They don't exist. They don't exist.

[Говорящий 2]
That's right.

[Говорящий 1]
That's right. It's like lowering my salary. But there's more to it.

How does... Does anybody remember how Nagarjuna and then his commentator Gyaltsabche answer it? It's not exactly that.

And actually, this is, to be fair to all of us, especially me, this is a paragraph that we were kind of stuck on, kind of confused on, before we finished the class. I'm going to just show it. He seems to be saying...

So, Geshe Michael, we can look at this section again today or someday. Master Nagarjuna is saying that if the remedy destroys a self-existent thing, causing it to become non-existent, then how could something ever be destroyed? Because the moment the remedy itself is no longer self-existent, it no longer exists.

So it couldn't destroy anything. This is a super confusing section. It seemed like Nagarjuna was saying that if remedy...

It's like the fact that things aren't there. If emptiness or self-existent, then it couldn't exist because what emptiness does to things is make... If it made them non-existent.

That's okay. I'm not sure that's what he said, but that's also okay. Yeah.

I was doing some research on it. I was really working on it. I don't know.

Does anybody know? Oh, sorry. Pulverize or something smashed to dust.

Smash with a hammer. Yeah. Smash with a hammer.

Smash with a hammer. Okay. Pretty good.

Pretty good. Nice. So far, so good.

Let's see. Oh, I got to stop this share. And you gave me some homework.

Yeah. There it is. Okay.

Can you guys see my screen all right? Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Like that? Yeah.

Okay. I think you asked me, Geshe Michael, to start here. Okay.

And then go down through some information that you posted about, that you pasted into the text about the 14 unanswerable questions. Okay. That's good.

That's good. Nice. And where we were just coming from was that this one here, where it said that the 16 wrong views can be summarized into the 14 extremes, when some others started by asking the teacher if the self or the world have an end or something like that.

Yeah. What's the Ngapa here? Ngapa Gashiki.

I don't know. And this was, I don't know what that Ngapa is. And I didn't, this wasn't part of my homework, so I didn't massage it thoroughly.

But I'm glad you brought that up. Was it like, at some point in the past people asked him that? Like some earlier students?

Ngapa usually means earlier Tibetans who are a favorite attack object of Tsongkhapa. Yeah, I guess that's what it is. Yeah.

DANG NYID PAR DRIN ZHUGS DANG NYID PHYIR GZHAN BU LA GZHAN GYIS NGAPA GASHIKI But still the GZHAN after GZHAN shouldn't be instrumental then. It's tempting to think they took it from the top of the GZHAN. But...

Uh-huh. You know, GZHAN, yeah. It doesn't quite make sense.

Something's wrong with it. Yeah. Maybe it's GZHAN...

Could be GZHAN GYIS NGAPA GASHIKI. I don't know. Okay.

I'll look it up after class. Okay. All right.

Because I was... I left it out because I was also thoroughly confused by it. Yeah, the rest of the sentence makes sense.

The rest of the sentence is okay. Oh. Yeah.

Then here's all my homework. Okay. GANG GI CHEN PO'I KHYESH YI MED PA'I KHYESH YI LUNG BSTAN PA'I MI RUNG Uh...

Very responsible. There were some technical terms going on in here. Yeah.

Uh... He doesn't say anything here about inherent. Yeah.

I was trying to... Okay. And I'm glad to have the chance to do this.

KHYESH YI MED PA'I and KHYESH YI, like translating them literally is super confusing. So I was like trying to understand what they mean and then trying to use language to translate them what I think they mean. Oh, it just means apple and red color.

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Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
Apple is YI SHI, the thing with the quality. Uh-huh. And KHYESH YI is the red color.

So it means the thing that has the quality and the quality itself. Okay. That's all.

Yeah. Okay. So relating to this feature...

The thing that has the quality and the quality that it has. Okay. That's all.

Okay. Which is to say, you can't say emptiness is... You can't even say emptiness is self-existent if emptiness according to you means nothing.

Uh-huh. So something like basis for the... I could say feature and basis for the feature provisionally.

Yeah, you could say the thing which has the nature and the nature which it has or something like that. Okay. Okay.

I'll come back and play with that. Now, what's the sentence say then? Well, he's saying that...

It would be weird to lung tenpa. I think lung tenpa in this context means respond or answer. Or give a clarification maybe.

You know, make a pronouncement. Make a pronouncement. Pronouncement, okay.

Yeah, it would be weird to make a pronouncement about a quality which didn't apply to anything. Uh-huh. Okay.

That's all. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yep. To make a pronouncement.

And then he said something like... And that's why what? That's why he didn't answer when they asked him the question.

Yeah, that's why there was a certain list of questions that he refused to answer. Okay. Yeah.

That's what happens in our translation classes when people refuse to answer the homework. They just see so deep into it. They don't want to...

It's not appropriate to give an answer to. That's probably what it is. They see that I am going to misunderstand their response no matter what they say.

Yeah. Okay. And then the second half here is easy.

Well, it would be inappropriate because he's in the context of teachings based on the absence of self. Since he's just talking about how things have no nature of their own, and then the person asking the question thinks that things do have their own nature, and they're asking as if things had their own nature, then it wouldn't make sense for him to try to answer in that context? The only part that...

If I help you with one part, you'll be okay. They were nu du mi runwa. Yeah, they weren't worthy vessels.

To teach what? The true nature of things. Yeah.

It was... How things are empty of existing... Appropriate people...

Yeah, they weren't appropriate people to teach that dak mepa, and they weren't appropriate people to teach that the skandhas were ran shing gi ma drupa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he...

Then sik is always... Sik is... High honorific.

Yeah, so it has to be like chen re sik. So it has to be applying to... Yeah, the Buddha.

He saw that they were not... He saw it. They were not worthy vessels for teaching it.

Yeah. Therefore he lung ma deng. Therefore he lung ma deng.

He refused to clarify. Yeah. Yeah, he refused to make a decision either way.

Cool. Totally. Yeah.

Okay. Okay, cool. Here come the 14.

So... Yeah, I went looking for them, and I got something, but... This is probably the closest you'll get.

Do you want to have someone read it, Nick? The big print? Yeah, sure.

Oh, you already worked on it. Yeah, have someone read it. Yeah, absolutely.

Let's see. I heard Rob's voice. Come on up.

Are you getting around easier now, Rob? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

I'm eating for him mainly. Here, right? No, big letters.

Dear Ta.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, down here?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Dear Ta. Dear Ta.

I decided to break up with you. Dear Ta. Is that Jepa or Yepa?

Yeah, Ta Jepala. Chaap Jepala. Chi?

Rope. Rope. Rang.

Trang song. Trang song. Yeah.

Ga shik. Is that ga? Nga.

Nga. Nga. Nga.

Nga. Nga. Yeah, I'm trying.

Oh. Hmm. I don't know.

Chupa. Is that it. Is that right?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Chupa yinla. Nice. I keep going.

No, that's it, right? Yeah, something's wrong. There's something wrong with Tibetan here.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, that nga, right?

[Говорящий 1]
I just ignored it. That's a, it's a PA. The NGA is a PA.

Ah, that makes sense. Yeah. All right.

Can you, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's dawang nyampa chuk chuk tsanyi. Yeah, it's a PA.

Which is refreshing. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay.

Okay, yeah. Now it makes sense. Yeah, okay.

And the 56 is wrong. Right, so now you can fix, you can wipe out the 56 because it was a carving error. Yeah, okay.

Let us perform a critical analysis. The 62 wrong views held by non, some non-mistake, chupa chung sung gyi shik gi dang, can be summarized into yin chen chu shu din ne chupa yin na. Good.

The translation is fine.

[Говорящий 2]
All right. It was summa.

[Говорящий 1]
Let's have summa. Well, you know the monkey and the typewriter thing. I've heard it a few times.

Luckily. Oh, Chloe, Chloe doesn't know this saying. Uh-oh.

They must have it in Beijing. If a monkey types on a typewriter for 10 million years, Shakespeare will come out somewhere. By accident, Shakespeare will come out.

Eventually. Nevermind. It means Nick did a sentence correctly.

Okay. Which is- Do you want to pick someone, Nick? Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Could you? Yeah, Mike. Mr. Piano. Hey, Mike is here. We just need a guitar player. That's why we're short.

I can do it. I can make it. Yeah, you're a dick.

Yeah. Dick person. Daeyoung.

Oh, sorry. He's in control. I got it.

Very nice. I think the translation's good too. Let me see.

Since the question from the outsider predicated on the idea that people inherently have a self, if you deny that inherent distinction. Yeah, this is hard to change this. I have to change this again.

Yeah. All the controversial questions that were asked to Lord Buddha that he refused to answer, like, does the world have a beginning? Or does the universe have an end?

And he refused to answer. They were all based on the idea that things were self-existent. They all started off from the idea that there was a person.

And if you cancel the thing that has the quality, you see? They were inappropriate people. They were inappropriate to answer about the qualities of a thing that didn't exist because they were inappropriate to teach that the thing didn't exist yet.

They were asking about details of something that didn't exist. And it was too early to tell an answer to the details because the thing they're asking about doesn't exist. Does a self-existent person have red hair or black hair?

That's their question. Then he just said, anybody have any soda? He changed the subject.

Okay. Okay. Hey, Nick, Mike is begging to do one more.

All right, Mike. Okay. This one?

Yeah, this one. Right? Yeah.

How come a new guy can do better than the guys who've been here eight years? I don't know. All right.

This is called beginner. What's that mean, Nick? Being going to make ultimate distinctions when...

Yeah, so obviously I went a little far with my translations of keshe and keche. Yeah, I would just cancel the ultimate part. Because what it says is, you can't discuss the qualities of a thing that doesn't exist.

You can't say it's big or small if it doesn't exist. You can't ask if the universe is beginning or the universe has an end if there's no universe. Yeah.

Okay. Therefore, he refused to answer such questions. We call them the 14 unanswerable questions.

I would more say they're answerable, but not in a way that would satisfy the other person. So I'd say un-clarified or something. Yeah.

Or he made no... Response? The universe has an end.

But it has this Jawa, so we want to say what we call them, right? It's more formal than that. He refused to make a pronouncement about it.

It's not that he didn't say anything. He just refused to give his imprimatur about it. You see what I mean?

It's a formal thing. Official decree? Yeah, he refused to make a pronouncement.

Okay? Good. Of course.

Here's my question, Geshe Michael. Maybe I'm off... But we have this Sheja here, which...

Yeah, and that's why we keep saying... We call the questions this, right? That's why we call them the 14 unpronounced.

Okay, the 14 unpronounced. The 14 points that were not clarified. Okay, I'll put this for now.

Okay. By the way, you don't get the 14... Ben's text had a wonderful...

Ben's text is a wonderful reference text. Once you get through it, it took us like seven years, and we finished it. Now you can use it to open up other books.

That was the whole idea of having 12 translators. You got one more paragraph here, Nicholas. I think at least one.

Yeah, I got a couple more from my... Okay, who's reading? Mike, can you pick somebody?

Rebecca. Rebecca, I just met a girl. The cat wanted to...

Okay, first paragraph here. Deang. deang lun yi thala tenpa thang chi me thala tenpa thang This tha and this ti, they should be different.

tha tha la den den thala tenpa thala No, not tenpa, tenpa. tha tha la tenpa Nice.

[Говорящий 2]
thang nyang nyang nyen le nyang nyen len depa la ten ten denpe denpe yeah thala thala thala thala shi shi shi thang very shi shi shi shi shi shi thang le sok la tenpe Good. tha thawa nyi so Nice.

[Говорящий 1]
All right, very good. Let's read it together. And these can be divided into four based on a first beginning.

thala tenpa, good. The four based on a final end, chi me thala tenpa, good. And the four with a view based on nirvana.

Is that what the thala is doing there? I don't understand tenpe thala. The thala is distributes to all these groups.

There's four groups. So they say the thala twice. Yeah, but what he means is lung gi thala tenpe thala shi, chi me thala tenpe thala shi, nyang nyen le depa thala tenpe thala shi, lu sok la tenpe thala nyi.

So four wrong views relating to the beginning of the universe, four wrong views relating to the end of the universe, four wrong views relating to nirvana, and then two wrong views relating to the body and mind. Yep. So thala tenpe means wrong views.

Wrong views relating to. Yeah, and by the way, this is, if I'm not mistaken, this is Tsongkhapa's very early work on the Perfection of Wisdom when he was 25 or something. And he was not seasoned, he was not experienced, but he was factually quite careful.

So it's kind of boring. And no one ever uses it much. But it's good for lists of stuff.

He's very careful about lists. So that's why we're using this. We extracted this because it's a good list of the 14 views that what?

Lord Buddha refused to clarify. Not because they couldn't be clarified, but because the thing they were asking a clarification about didn't exist. Okay, okay.

Does the flat world have blue oceans or red oceans? You see what I mean? Then you're like, I'm sorry, I can't answer that.

Makes me want to stay quiet too. Yeah. Okay.

All right, let's go to the next paragraph. Who do you want to read? Rebecca, can you read the translation?

Uh-oh, translation's funny.

[Говорящий 2]
Savant.

[Говорящий 1]
Savant. Can you guys hear that? I can hear a monkey in the background.

He just busted in on me. Just say a quick hello to Getty Michael, and then I got to get back. Hi, boo-boo.

Are you hiccuping? What? What?

Are you hiccuping? What? Are you hiccuping?

You sound like hiccupping. I told you not to eat turtles from your backyard. I told you that.

Did you eat turtles? No. Hey, Nick.

Hey, Amelie, you want to hear something serious?

[Говорящий 2]
What?

[Говорящий 1]
Me and Veronica, we're going to go visit our granddaughter next week. And so we got a book of jokes for two-year-olds, and I just want to see if you think it's a good joke or not. You ready?

What? Why does a giraffe have a long neck?

[Говорящий 2]
I don't know.

[Говорящий 1]
Because his feet smell.

[Говорящий 2]
What did he say?

[Говорящий 1]
Because his feet smell. Go see Mommy. I got to get back to work.

Never mind. Go see her, I said. Can you close the door, please?

We were sorting them out, like, she won't get this one, but she will get this one. She got it. She just went like this.

We couldn't get half of her. It was a dad joke, that's why. So you get to do these honorary.

That was a granddad joke. DANG PO NI DANG PO NI DANG ZAG GIS BDAG DANG GCIG BSTAN BDAG PA DANG MI BDAG PA DANG NI DKA'IN BA DANG NI DKA' MA YIN PAR DAG PA'O Okay, now, this is a trick explanation. Can you go back to that paragraph, Nick?

Sorry about that. This is a trick explanation because he refused, he gave a blanket refusal to answer. But if the audience had been more intelligent, which one of these were correct?

They said to him, Oh, Lord Buddha, what about gongsacks and jig dance? People in the world, people in the world, are they dakpa? Are they unchanging?

What would you normally say? No, they are not unchanging. No, I wish, but I didn't have to go to the doctor twice today.

Then, are they mitakpa? Usually we would say yes. We'd say yes.

Are they both? No. No.

Are they neither? No. No.

That's all. On a conventional level, number two is correct. The world is impermanent, changing.

But why did he refuse to answer? Does it have something to do with the fact that there's a dak in there? Gongsak gi dak?

Yeah. They said, Oh, Lord Buddha, do pens that come from their own side fall apart or not? Yeah.

He said, I'm sorry, I can't talk to you guys. You won't understand the answer. Got it?

Okay. He said, don't talk about atman. Well, it's just a beautiful thing that we have this in our religion, that there's certain questions that don't have answers, because they were wrong questions.

I like it. It's always been... I think it'd make a good teaching or a good class to talk about.

Okay. Who's going to read next? You want someone to choose?

Yes, please. Okay. Make someone suffer.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, Jacqueline wants to suffer.

[Говорящий 1]
Jacqueline wants to suffer. Thank you. You did good.

Thank you. I'm just going to go. Okay.

Okay. You're on nyi pa ni.

[Говорящий 2]
nyi pa ni, ta dang, dan pa dang, ta dang, ni dang pa dang, nyi ka yin pa dang, nyi ka ma yin, ar tab pa.

[Говорящий 1]
Ta waw. Ta waw.

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Ta waw.

[Говорящий 1]
Wow. Ta waw. Wow.

Now, 50 bucks. Who can tell me why this is a tricky one? It's tricky because ta here could mean an end, or it could mean extremes, like in the beginning and the end.

So it could mean beginning and end. Yeah, it could mean front end and back end, like a car. So it's different.

Yeah, so Nick, first of all, you get 49 bucks. And then, yeah, you can't use the word end here. You have to say, I don't know what you're going to say, but that makes the translation difficult.

You cannot say, Lord Buddha refused to answer when asked if things had an end. He said, I refuse to answer if you ask if they have a beginning or an end. Yeah, we could just say front end or back end.

You could, but anyway, think about it. I don't think there's a good English way to say it. Yeah, I'll put this so that I remember.

Okay. Good. So we got how many?

Eight done out of how many? Fourteen, sir. Fourteen.

Three groups of four plus two. So we finished the second group of four. Now, Jacko's going to choose the next victim.

[Говорящий 2]
Miss Kassika.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, good. Yeah, it's dak trung, okay?

[Говорящий 2]
It's a weird one.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, dak trung. Yeah. It does not exist in English.

Dak. Okay. Wow.

All right, good. What's drula? Liberated person, in this case, I think.

Yeah, liberated, past tense. Dak. Yeah, and it's terribly misspelled.

Terribly, terribly misspelled. Dak trung. Dak means self.

And trung means what? Do you guys know? Trung means to die.

Right. It's an old word for die, okay? Trung.

Like, what's trung chok?

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, it's a water person.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, it's the ceremony to help people in the Bardo. Trung chok, okay? I'm guessing, Michael, badak is just an acceptable variant of badak?

No, it's not. The whole thing was terribly carved. Okay.

All right, but it's interestingly terribly carved. Almost impenetrably terribly carved. Okay, but I'm used to it.

Dak trung. That's what you heard. Dak trung pen che, from that moment on, jungwa or not?

Do they go on or not? Yeah. If a person reaches nirvana, do they continue on after death, or do they mi jungwa, if they don't, or do they not continue after death?

Or nyi ka, do they both continue in a way? And do they neither continue nor don't continue? Good.

Okay, nice. By the way, these are very reasonable questions. Like, hey, after nirvana, where am I going to be?

And he says, I don't know. I don't feel like answering. Fair enough.

Whenever I try that, people yell at me. Okay, who's next, Nick? You want Jacqueline to choose?

Yes, please. Jacqueline, choose the next victim. I'm going to go with Gyaltsen.

By the way, this is a footnote. We're working on a footnote, because the Mixed Nuts never have the 14 blah-blahs in the text, and they don't tell you what the 14 are. We don't do that.

All answerable for us. Yeah, everything is answerable, according to Mixed Nuts. Shibani.

Shibani. Low tone. Shibani.

[Говорящий 2]
Low tone. Shibani. I have to put my hat down.

Shibani. Lusok tse chik tu tawa tang. Tse ta ta du ta ba o.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, and this is a popular topic from the second chapter of the Abhidharmakosha. Okay. Whether your bodies and souls are the same substance.

Good. Is the body your life? Or are they the same thing?

Or are they different? It's kind of unclear. I realize it's so...

Translating it here, a soul is taking some liberty, and I didn't know what you'd say. It means the life force in the body. You think it's some kind of ancient weird thing, but it's not.

It's a real thing. It leaves your body, and then your body is just dead meat. So there must be something that was there before you died, and something that leaves when you die.

And is that your body? And the answer is no, because your body doesn't disappear when you die. So there must be some energy in the body that departs the body and leaves the body behind.

But our body is so closely related to our life that we defend our bodies unreasonably against other people. Okay. Cool.

Yay, we finished the fourth. Oh, you're done. Okay, Uncle Nick.

Let's see here. I've got to go share my screen. I know that was a long one for me sharing my stuff, but it was a long homework.

I've got to go somewhere. Wait a second. Okay.

We can continue off my document if you want. No, I've got new notes, I think. Let's see, where are you?

Ratnamala, here we go. Okay. Okay, we can come back now.

Okay. Yay, Ratnamala. We've got to go back up.

Yeah, I think we're at I.74. Okay, here we go. Are we here, Nick? Yes, sir.

Okay, who would you like to read? Do you want to read this one for good luck? Sure.

Let's do it. Okay. Good.

I want to focus on the second half of the sentence because it's sexy. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I'm just going to say...

Let's start with Tupa, okay? So please translate slow. Tupa tam je khyenpa All of the able ones...

All of the all-knowing one... All-knowing able ones. Sorry, the all-knowing able ones.

No, the just-to-know-it-all able ones. It's not that mi khyenpa. Yeah, it's not that they don't know the answer.

Yeah, it's not that they didn't answer because they didn't know what to say. Okay? It's a double negative.

It's a little tricky. It's not that they didn't know what to say. And now, Nick, I think it's a really elegant reason, and it's one of the most beautiful reasons I ever saw in a scripture.

Now, what was the assertion? That it's not that they didn't know. Yeah, they are omniscient, so it's not that they didn't know what to say.

Uh-huh. But rather... Oh, and by the way, what proves that it's not that they didn't know?

What proves that it's not that they didn't know? What proves that it's not that they didn't know? You ready?

nopo khena ni gyepa sung Yeah, they were teaching the suchness... They taught extensively on the suchness of things to others. Yeah.

Don't tell me they didn't know what to say, and that's why they didn't answer the 14 things. Well, how do you know they knew what to say? They taught emptiness!

Duh! It's a wonderful reason. It's a very unusual reason.

Don't tell me they didn't know they answered the 14 questions. Why? They taught emptiness, you idiot!

They taught the pen! You think there's something they don't know about those 14 things? Got it?

I like that part. Okay, let's go to the easy part. I mean, when I got the part, I was like, oh, this is all Geshe Michael writing.

It seems like you wrote it. I love this thing, yeah. Okay, then let's do the first line.

de mi sungwa Yeah, they didn't say anything to beings who were not worthy vessels for the profound teachings. Nice, okay. And because of that, khyepa nam kyi they know that the wise people are aware that the Buddha knows everything that will be spoken or won't be spoken.

Like sungja dang sungja mi Yeah, they know what they should talk about and what they shouldn't talk about. That's all. They know there's some discussion, right?

They see it directly. So if they didn't answer, there must be a reason. Okay, good.

By the way, I think it's a fascinating topic when the Buddhists refuse to talk. And it's kind of unusual in any religion that Moses wouldn't refuse to talk or something. I don't know.

I think it's cool. Like Petrie World News, if the guy refused to talk, what would we do? I don't know.

Okay, Nick, who's going to read next? Oscar, please. Yeah.

Okay. By the way, we have ten minutes to go in this class. At five o'clock world central time, we will have a discussion of how can you use these things in real life, led by Nick.

And Grandpa will disappear. Okay? So get ready for that in your mind.

Now we're to a third major topic of Nick's book, which by the way is one of the most famous books ever written in Buddhism. And maybe one of the most useful books in Buddhism. It's kind of a lam rim, with a heavy emptiness teaching in it.

It makes it priceless. dun duwa means he's going to... What, Nick?

I'm going to... He's going to summarize the major points here. The meaning.

Yeah, before we get too far into this text, let me summarize for you the main points. First of all, sammo was gyelway sungpa. The profound was spoken by the victors.

Yeah, and victor is spelled gyelwa. Gyel means to be a victor. So just note the wa.

Gyelwa means victor. So the victors did teach emptiness. And there's a lot of nge makes if you jakpa to this stuff.

There are problems if you are afraid by those teachings. Yeah, you shouldn't get freaked out. Jakpa means you shouldn't get freaked out.

And now gyelbu, not gyelway. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the king...

Yeah, Nagarjuna is advising the king, Damba, that he should realize the meaning of the profound. Yeah, and that's a beautiful... Imagine someone going to the head of a state nowadays and saying it's really important for you to understand emptiness.

Everything you do to other countries is going to come back to you. Like, you know, it'd be very useful, right? Just thinking about that.

Okay. We're going to skip the root text because he sprinkles the root text in his commentary. And that's because there has to be a commentary.

And that's because you can't understand the root text. So let's skip it. Okay, all right.

Who's going to read, Nate? Is Roxanna here? Roxanna?

I don't know. Inna, are you translating? She probably is.

I see. Duoduo, we're counting on you. Okay.

Nice. Nice reading. Very nice.

What's that mean? NGES LEGS Yeah, the definite goodness, which is kind of a code word for nirvana, as we learned earlier in this work. It's always two things.

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Nirvana or Buddhahood.

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Nirvana and Buddhahood. Which kind of, you got to get this sense when you say NGES LEGS for a single person and for everybody. Nirvana for me and Buddhahood for everybody.

Because Buddha is nirvana. Buddhahood is nirvana. But it's not this nirvana.

Okay, got it? NGES PA LAS PA'I PHYIR It's DOP PAR DKA' BA Hard to realize. Yeah, difficult to realize.

It's very sad mo. It's profound. And this top means its ultimate limits of that knowledge of ultimate goodness.

They are RDZIN BYAR MED Not held by many? Yeah, impossible to comprehend, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The limits of nirvana and Buddhahood are not something that a normal human being can measure. BYAR MED And then... By the way, YONGS SUD ZIN in the ancient Sanskrit has other connotations also.

Like a teacher? Tutor? Yeah, YONGS ZIN means a teacher.

It means a lot like Shinde Solje. Yeah, it's innovative. So he's making puns through here, okay?

It's hard to be a measurer. I was wondering, so does the YONGS ZIN, your YONGS SUD ZIN, does it mean someone who completely gets it, like they get it on some super deep level? Yeah, I would say that here.

Okay, thank you. It's a good question. It's a good question.

Sometimes you ask a good question, not too often. Okay, DEN RANG SHING GI BRDZOD PA'I GNAS MED PA Yeah, things don't stay from their own side. There is no staying through some nature of their own, in a basis.

There's no basis for anything, basically. Yeah, and when you realize that, that things are empty, basically, when you realize that things are not there... You have to habituate yourself to it.

Yeah, and then you get used to that idea. Okay, good. We still have some time.

Who's going to read the next one, Nick? KHA DE'ING THEG PA GSUM GYI DRAG BU THOB PA'I SRAB MO NI SROB PA'I SANG GYIS DAM CHE SIG PA RNAM GYIS THING NGEN ZIN RGYAL PO'I DUS LA SOGS PA RNAM LAS GSUNGS PAR ZHES PAR BRAL Nice. Your Tibetan is getting better and better.

Thegpa Gsum? The Three Ways, or the Three Tracks, in this case. Good.

GYES BU THOB PA'I SRAB MO NI I think it's the profound which leads us to achieve the result of all three tracks. You could kind of say that. SROB PA'I SANG GYIS DAM CHE SIG PA That all total and complete Buddhas realize.

See. Yeah, that profound thing that they already see, you can shepa jang We can understand it's what is taught in sutras like the King of Concentration. Yeah, the King of Concentration.

It's a sexy name and it's a sexy sutra and someday we should translate it. The King of Meditation Sutra. Is it long?

Samadhi Raja Sutra. I think it's not too long. So I went and got you some of what he said in that sutra.

If you're interested, you can chew on it. There's a lot of images here about echoes, mirages, dreams, stuff like that. Moons on the top of the lake water.

Love that one. Anyway, that's the part that they're talking about. GNYIS PA GNYIS means DE LA BRTAG PA'I GNYIS MED What's that, Nick?

The problems with getting scared. Yeah, don't let emptiness freak you out. Don't let emptiness freak you out.

Understand in advance that it could freak you out and don't get freaked out. Alright, who's going to read this last paragraph, Nick? Let's see who's here.

Sorry, Tin, are you here? Tin? I think he's eating croissants.

Are you eating croissants? Are you eating... What's this?

Oh, Nick. Tin. Oh, Tin.

Tin.

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Oh, yeah, that's what I was going to say.

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Okay. That's okay. Okay, Tin.

Oh, there's Roxanna. Okay, next time. Roxanna, would you please read?

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RANG BZHIN GYIS YOD PA DANG NGAR YOD MED PAR DZIN PA LAS MANG DED PA'I GNYIS BSKYED PA RNAMS NYID CING PHYI LOG TU GSUM NAS PHUNG BAR NGYUR TEG Nice.

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I'm going to ask Roxanna a question. What's the difference between pungpo and pungwa?

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Pungpo would be hips?

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Yeah, the five parts of the person. And what's pungwa? Pungwa is a verb that...

Is it a pile of stuff? No, it's an old verb that means to be wasted or to be destroyed. Your life will be ruined.

It means ruined. So big difference, right? Pungpo, five hips.

Pungwa, your life will be ruined. Okay, that's pretty strong, right? Your life will be ruined if you CING PHYI LOG TU GSUM.

Let's go backwards, Nick. If you hold on to wrong views. Yeah, if you hold things the wrong way, which you only do if you're a mikepa.

If you're a dummy, an unwise, an unlearned... Yeah, and you couldn't DEPA beyond thinking that things are you or me. You cannot transcend or surpass the holding on to things as if they truly existed or didn't exist at all.

Yeah, and you are really Gawa. You remember Gawa. You are be Gawa.

RANG BZHIG RGYUD PA The idea that things were wrong. You love stuff that exists from its own side. You love to think that things exist.

Yeah, I love that. And I love to think that things have a dark self. Yeah, and again, it's talking about the pen.

It's not some idiot in a philosophy class who says atman, everything has an atman. It's not that. It's anyone who thinks a pen was made in a factory.

Anyone who thinks an idiot is not coming from them. Okay? This is why life is depressing right now.

Okay. Then, who are attached to the idea of a self. How long, Nick?

Chokma Mepa, since beginningless time. Yeah, so it's a little hard to get over the habit that you've had. It's not like you started smoking marijuana last week.

You've been doing it for zillions of years. Okay? And you are chakpa by this chu.

You're afraid of this teaching. Which says that ne me. That nothing stays.

Yeah, nothing was ever there. Nothing was ever there. What you thought was there.

Okay? Then that's frightening. And Nagarjuna...

This is the most famous place in scripture where Nagarjuna says, please don't be freaked out. Things that the pen's not... The pen wasn't made in a factory.

Please don't freak out. This terrible person you see is you. You're seeing yourself in the mirror.

Don't get freaked out. All right? Cool.

This is a non-freaking-out advice verse of all time. Okay. Okay, Nick.

Is the tu... Sorry, just a quick question. It says, dak tu ngam par shenpey tu rang shing kyi chupa.

Is it just saying, because of how strong your attachment is, that you love stuff that exists?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. Chu. You got umlauted.

Chu. The LTS is tu. Right.

With the S it's chu. Okay. All right.

Seriously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chu.

Okay. I'm out of here. You get these other guys to work a little bit.

You got it. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thank you. That was amazing. Don't cry, Nick.

Next three... Next three paragraphs. Okay.

jikpa rikpa chik And we can't... We can't forget this if we don't see... If we don't read Lop...

This, by the way, this paragraph that begins with Lopan, shiwa tsu, I'd like you to translate that first. Okay. I'd like you to translate that first.

And there are some major differences between what our author says and what Shantarakshita said in the book. So I got the book for you. Here's what Shantarakshita really said.

Okay. And it's quite amazing. So, Nick, let's forget the homework.

Translate... Lopan shiwa tsu. Okay?

Okay. And then translate what he really said. Okay.

Okay? They're quoting him and they're quoting him wrong. Okay?

And what he really said... What they say he said is pretty cool. What he really said is amazing.

Okay? And if you can... Your homework is to figure out the difference.

Okay? Which is very interesting. So forget those other two paragraphs.

Start with lopan shiwa tsu, finish that paragraph, and then go down to the one in the big letters, which is what he really said. And it's amazing. Okay?

Cool? Cool ski? Cool, cool.

It's cool ski. Thank you. I'm looking forward to it.

Yeah, me too. It's beautiful. Okay.

I'm going to get out of here and eat popcorn. Bye. Enjoy.

Bon appétit. All right. All right.

Now we can party. So... Oh, he's still there.

Don't do anything bad. Just kidding. I'm just trying to...

Oh, we got to keep that. Yeah, okay. Bye.

Thank you, guys. Thank you. It's great to see you.

So I don't know, guys. I want to hear from you all. I personally think that this kind of topic of when it makes sense to answer and when it makes sense to stay silent is very practical.

And I've seen people practice it really well. I've seen people practice it in difficult situations. So, you know, I mean, obviously what we're talking about here is a pretty specific situation where somebody wouldn't answer because it might give the wrong philosophical idea to the listener.

But there may be times for us, maybe every day, where it would make more sense for us not to answer because maybe our partner or friend or co-worker or whoever won't understand us correctly. Or sometimes we need to take some time before we answer so that we can make sure that we are communicating ourselves in a way that's calm and clear. And hopefully, you know, getting the idea that's in our mind across to the mind or minds of the people with whom we're trying to communicate.

At least I find that there's times where I wish that I didn't answer in life, including in mixed nuts class because I'll mostly blurt out stuff even when I'm wrong and then I just wish I didn't answer or kept myself on mute. The 14 muted answers. Would anybody like to share on this topic or something else that came up today for you in the text?

We got one victim here. Okay.

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Hello.

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Hi. Hey.

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I was just thinking like when you ask your Lama a question about your life or something or about anything and they don't answer you, not that that's ever happened to me, but hypothetically just like how difficult and frustrating it is because you're like, but you're omniscient and I really will do whatever you tell me to do. So if you could just tell me and then so often they won't tell you because you have to figure it out yourself, which is so awful that there's like a power to figuring things out yourself and like, you know, how they forced you to grow by not just giving you the answer. Like you have to read the book to the end.

You have to get to the end yourself really. And in the end we are getting there by ourselves. They're guiding us, but we still have to do the work.

But gosh, it's so frustrating. And then like as a teacher, you know, if you have your own students to know when you have to back off and I would think that maybe as a parent, it's the same that you have to figure out when to back off and let the person, let the student or make the kid make their own mistakes so that they learn because sometimes people don't really learn just by you giving them the answer. They learn by really by figuring it out themselves.

So anyway, that's what came to my mind.

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Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for sharing.

It made me think of the modern version of this as maybe the 14 unanswered emails. Right. 14,000 unanswered emails.

You know, it's funny you bring that up. In this context, I have found that most of the time, this isn't to give you anybody who's listening a free pass here, but most of the time when I don't get an answer to one of those questions, I actually have a very easy time knowing the right answer myself. I just realized I didn't want to admit it or something.

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Sometimes if I ask the question, just I think by the power of having the faith that the Lama knows the answer, then sometimes I get the answer just by asking the question, even if I don't get an answer back. Sorry about the emails, but sometimes it does work for me to do that. I suppose I could just ask the question in my meditation and not send the email.

That would probably be a better option.

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Cool. Yeah. I know what you mean, though.

It's cool. It's a cool thing. It's cool to think about how we all have our own inner guide, like what you're talking about.

We can all be, you know, especially if everything's coming from you. Anyway.

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The funny thing is, I do think, though, I mean, I'm saying like we need to come up with our own answer, but I still do think that the Lama is, I think the power of asking the question, I think that even without getting the verbal answer, they can still give you the answer. Do you know what I mean? I know I'm saying you're giving yourself the answer, but I still believe they're giving you the answer.

Yeah. If you have enough faith, you know, the power of that.

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Absolutely.

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And understanding.

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Chloe has some.

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Yeah. Okay.

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I'm leaving now. All right. Nice to see you.

Chloe Ma. Hey, Chloe. Hey, nice to see you.

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So thank you for the class today. I love Nagarjuna, everything about Nagarjuna. I think one thing came to me today is the enlightened beings can answer anything, but they chose to skip it and teach emptiness to other people.

So that's a choice. So to me, it sounds like I can make better choices on where to put my energy, where to use my time and breath. I can be answering these invalid questions or I can be studying Nagarjuna.

So, you know, it's like I can be hanging out with people doing random things or I can be attending some study groups or coming to mix nuts because that's a choice. That's a personal choice. So, yeah, that's my it's an example of not because I know or I have the capacity to do this, I need to do it based on request.

I get to choose.

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That's an interesting point. Yeah, I like that. Talking about just figuring out how not to waste your time.

And I was on the phone with the IRS the other day and I didn't want to answer any questions. I just wanted to stay silent and go study emptiness and study Nagarjuna. So we have to find that balance, I guess, between dealing with the things that we have to deal with.

But I know exactly what you mean, that's really cool. Thank you for sharing. And then we have to go in two minutes.

So my last thought about it that I'll share again is just that sometimes I think that the best way to if you're disagreeing with somebody about something, maybe it's helpful to. It's not only helpful for you to not answer, so you don't say the wrong thing, but maybe sometimes or most of the time, like it's good to not reply in any particular way because they'll work it out. Like if they if they are indeed making a mistake.

Maybe the kindest thing you can do for somebody is not to try to point it out, which might make them less likely to come to any conclusion that's true, but to stay quiet and let them work it out for themselves. A mistake that I have made. So sometimes maybe it's compassionate to not answer if you're trying if you have like an agenda or something.

Maybe it's more compassionate to stay quiet if you know what I mean. Anybody else? We have one minute before Juan kicks me out.

He's I don't have much time. He's he's rushing me. He's this way, Nick.

I see him. I see him. I know he's coming.

All right. Well, that's that's probably good. Let's let him give him some time to get set up.

Hi, Juan. Hello.

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There is one.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Now the team is still around. Your name is very clear.

We'll see how long that lasts. I wrote to Jim that I'm.

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Uh huh.

[Говорящий 1]
People often call me him. OK, but I'm the ruggedly handsome one and Tim's the handsome, intellectual looking. That's that's how you can tell the difference between us.

I realize that. It's just because you both have scruffy beards. Does Tim have a beard?

I didn't know you had facial hair. That's amazing. Since you went to France.

He's growing up. He's probably got like one of those teeny little goatees. Something like that.

So we. All right. Take it away, Juan.

Good to see you, brother. Let me do it. And just before we start, I'm going to hear in the room and have to screen my own.

I have to mirror my own screen. Sure.

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Yeah. Sure.

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But this is for here. Is that going to work? No, no, no.

Is Juan mute? Yeah. No, no.

Now we can't hear you guys at all. Unanswerable. Don't take my advice too literally.

Let's play the video.

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Play the video.

[Говорящий 1]
I was about to kick a beat. I can. OK, so here we are.

We are following this guy. We have been following him. We think he's about to do a sneaky thing.

So we are. I don't know. We are trying to figure out what's he doing, leaving his house so late at night in an obscure parking lot in Arizona.

Fixer Junior. Who knows? Only God knows what he's up to.

I'm going to confront him right away. What are you doing in an empty parking lot so late in Arizona? I don't know.

So this guy run away. Apparently he's scared that we find out what he's up to. We're not going to give up.

Something is fishy here. Gina and Francisco are helping me just in case he gets aggressive to help me contain. We follow Rob Haggerty after he disappeared and we find out this long line of people.

Then Lindsay shows up and we start questioning where is Rob. She spills the beans. All of a sudden we see another suspicious character showing up.

That's really bad. So the thing is this. The thing is this.

We don't really. I think people can hear me. No, you cannot hear me.

People can't hear me. It could be a little louder, but yeah, we can hear you. Maybe if you got closer to the microphone.

It's very weird what Rob Haggerty was doing last night. So we decide to follow him up and we took some special pictures. You know, Gina, Francisco and I decide to infiltrate the place to find out what was happening.

And I mean, I'm sorry, but we have to share the pictures. We are still investigating what happened actually. But there we are pretending to be just regular people there in the audience.

And then one of our special agents was able to catch some interesting pictures. We need to question these guys and see what they really were up to. But apparently like very important deals, very important connections happened that night over there.

So we will keep finding out. And next Saturday, we'll be able to know what was actually happening. Maybe we will have to question Rob Haggerty if he decides he wants to speak without a lawyer.

We will have him here in front of the camera. 14 unanswered questions.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
We'll see. All right. So stay tuned for next Saturday.

What else is coming up? We have the Pagabat Gita is going to start right away in two more days, basically. Three days really, but in two we have to set everything up.

And for that people who has not yet get the context of what are we going to be studying with, we want to recommend you to watch two videos that the YSI team very kindly prepared for us. You can watch the videos, the pre, how do you call them? Previews.

Previews? No. Yeah, okay.

Previews. Fine. They will give you context.

So you can watch a Michael Johnson's talk and class he gave a few days ago. But you follow the QR, you can watch the video. Or, slash and, you can watch also Teresa and Benji when they are connecting the teachings of the Pagabat Gita with the teachings of Lady Nygma.

Follow the QR codes for context and then see you live on Thursday. Thursday is the beginning, so very, very soon. I think that's it.

Oh yeah, and very important, very important. You see these texts that YSI are doing, many of them were written in the ancient language of Sanskrit. Many, many years ago, before me or Rob or any of us was born here, these texts were already circling the world.

And we have here, Cristina Casica is going to start a Series 2 course, also review on Series 1 on February 26th.

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Series 2 on 27th, every Wednesday or every Thursday, 4 p.m. Arizona time or 9 p.m. Arizona time. So if you want to learn Sanskrit, come and check it out.

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You can follow the QR code or text her directly, I guess. All right. So with us today, we have two very cool people who are going to show some of their projects.

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First, we have Lindsay with us, who's going to talk about what she is doing. Which one?

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Yeah, that's the camera, this is the microphone. So Lindsay, thank you for joining the news today.

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Thanks Juan.

[Говорящий 1]
Very welcome. So you were talking to me about, you want to expand your, how do you say? How do you say the reaching, all pervasive, reaching, how do you call that?

Big scope? Yeah, something like that. Excuse my English, but you are expanding.

Everything is going so well that now you need more help, more hands to be around and involved in this. So I would like if you can share with us and with the audience what has been going on and what is exactly that now you are looking for.

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Yeah, thanks Juan. Yeah, the Good Night Book Club is growing. So we're going to block the light.

Tim's house is out. Very hot. And the sun.

Okay, but the Good Night Book Club is growing and I want to thank everybody who's a part of it, both subscribing and also the people who are volunteering. Thank you so much. So we are growing and we have some more volunteer positions available.

So I'm just here to share. So as we grow, we have more volunteer positions available. And I just wanted to let people know where we need help.

In case you want to help with this really fun and important project. So specifically, we're looking for some shipping coordinators in different areas around the world. And so what this is, is we'll send you some books and valise bags, and then you will mail them out to people who live near you.

And this really helps us save costs and make sure that more of the fundraising goes to DCC. So we're looking for people to help with this in Europe, in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Australia, specifically right now. So that's one thing.

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Cool. So if anybody's interested, they should send an email to goodnightbookclub at diamondcutterclassics.org.

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Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Looking for Lindsay. Yes.

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Right.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. Can I do that? There's two more.

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Can I say?

[Говорящий 1]
Sure.

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You're good.

[Говорящий 1]
I don't have them.

[Говорящий 2]
They're on there. Okay, cool. Okay.

And then the other two things that we're looking for help with is somebody who can help us with some communications, like sending emails when we need them, who can speak both English and Chinese. And then the last thing, maybe I'll come back later for the last thing. But yeah, that's some things we're looking for help with right now.

Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Very welcome. And we wish you the best of success. The other day, I hear from a very special person that I should share a contact with you of a maybe possible person who can help.

And I will very, very soon.

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Sounds good. Thanks, Juan.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Okay. And now we would like to show a video that we were supposed to show, but for some reason we didn't.

And then talk about it. So I'm going to do it again, because otherwise people here are not going to be able to watch it. So I'm going to share my screen.

So. Here. Good.

So thank you so much for sharing your video. I would like to hear a little bit of what's your own perception and experience coordinating and creating all these programs with CSP making these content available. Really all over the world, especially in Asia.

But how is your own experience and what's your vision for this next year on CSP? Thank you, Juan. We just want to share this video with our friends and community online globally.

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And so we are now recruiting and we are not starting any CSP group in this year 2025.

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We are going to launch a brand new group in 2026 summer by this upcoming year. We are just going to serve the CSP student, the whole community well and build a stronger community. At the same time, because many of the CSP students are serving so many other organizations.

So this is what we are going to focus on 2025. Just to keep helping our CSP student to apply the classical wisdom in modern business and in their lives. Yeah.

So apparently it's a year of practice. 2035 to practice what it has been taught and 2026 potentially new group. Not potentially.

[Говорящий 2]
For sure.

[Говорящий 1]
If everything goes well. I like to say if we are still alive.

[Говорящий 2]
Yes.

[Говорящий 1]
I mean, it's just a joke kind of thing. Thank you very much for sharing. And yeah, we will keep tuned over the months and over the years to see what else it keeps coming up.

For now, we say goodbye. And we'll see again in the news on Saturday. Find out what Rob Hagerty was doing that night.

So let's go back with Gibson, right? It's Gibson and Geshe Michael Roach. Yeah.