Ник Лашо — Книга 2: Ратнамала, занятие 44

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Who's that handsome guy? Hey, good morning. Almost.

One songs tower. Nick I love the artwork in the background. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, you did that. I've been trying my hand at painting lately.

Then do you have an ocean behind you. Um, it's a bay. Technically.

Thank you for that. Not to be pedantic, but you can't surf it. It's not a surfable bay.

Good wakeboard. It's a bay on a gulf. Is that your Airbnb.

Yeah, you can kind of see the ocean but like through. It's like way over there. There it is.

Oh, yeah. Oh, nice. I didn't feel like me.

I don't I feel okay that I think the medication helps a little bit. Yeah, just take more you'll have a great day. Yeah.

Today's class, free dose of extra love for the world. Let, let's do a test if you can understand that I got to know better. With.

It helps with my mechanical engineering homework once. Okay, Nicholas, you're up. All right, here comes the quiz everybody.

By the way, we're at Tim's house in the sky. Oh yeah, that's right. Thank you, Tim city for lending us your house in the sky.

I heard they're building an antenna on guessing Michael's house to make sure that it's higher than your house. Good morning everyone and welcome this one sounds tower. Thank you for joining us.

And thank you to our tech team and our translators, and we will try to go slowly enough for you. And we're starting with my texts right now on my quiz. As long as I can find it.

There we go. Everybody see my screen. Yep.

Yes. All right. Are you afraid to wake up.

Amelie is that the thing. That's the thing. A little bigger.

Oh yes. Thank you. Thank you.

Come on, it's like seven o'clock there. Yeah, yeah, which means there's very little chance that she won't just wake up. She comes.

She heard you say her name. I hear the pitter patter of little feet. Hi sweetheart.

Do you want to say hi to get you Michael. She's like, Dad, I just woke up. I need coffee.

Yeah, basically, cartoons. It is Saturday. Yeah, yeah.

According to Master Nagarjuna, could the world reside in a single moment. Why, or why not. I made this quiz pretty easy, because there's a changing thing.

Therefore, it's already passed so in a single moment. Couldn't last. Take a few more pills and let us know.

That's a good, that's a good guess.

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It could not.

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It could not because Arya Nagarjuna very seldom speaks in positives. It's also a good guess. Both correct actually both correct now what I was looking for.

Not the section that we were just covering. But, Rob was a little closer. I found my notes.

Oh, I just lost them again. Let's consider the world the shining, or the vessel and inhabitants. It must be the case that they do not stay for even a moment, it's not possible.

Why, because each one is made of three parts. Therefore, they cannot crawl around on the world can't point to a millisecond that people are walking on the planet, because each would be divided into three parts, because two bumpers don't touch on the car. Very good.

I mean I said it more concisely but I like it. I like it her way. Translate this section.

That's good. Very beautiful. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, then this is for you, or for everybody, but those parts, the beginning, middle and end. Those exist truly right.

No. What do you hear what she said. In the beginning, middle and end.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, I good he said it. No, because each has its own beginning, middle and end, what are those called in West Chinese language. Beginning and middle and Have some bucket.

Where's word. Where's word now this is he went. I'm here.

Oh, okay. Feeling well recently there is. All right.

I've been, I mean, my bank account was holding steady and I didn't know why. Roxanna put it in the chat. He's teaching 20 hours a day, six days a week.

Whoa. Oh, yeah, I got it. Oh, no, those are those are probably dry only yes I see in the chat now thank you.

Those are probably dry lips in it. Yes. Not yet, but it may be another day.

Sorry, excuse me. I have to work for one hour. Okay, come sit on my lap.

What your students brains me. Okay. I am.

I can. She's still shy. Okay, yes, that is correct.

Roxanna Thank you very much. And if permanent things can't endure for even a moment. But a thing has started and hasn't yet ended, then it must be staying by nature.

Right. The question is, it's more of a discussion than just a correct answer. Well, how could it, how could it.

So an impermanent thing can't last, but we can observe with our own eyes that they begin. And for example, this teacup. It has begun because it's holding my tea.

And it has not ended yet. And yet we have already proven in this book that it cannot endure for even a single moment. So, because it's because it's changing.

So, if this thing must just exist by nature, isn't it. You're using English words but they're not making much sense there Nick sorry. I don't trust a man who doesn't endure for a moment it's not staying.

I can't hear it and yet here it is. Thanks for Rob what were you saying. Well, your eye can't deduce that it's changing.

Yeah. And so, but how is it staying.

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If it's changing, because another change if it doesn't stay long enough to be one way at one moment and another way at another moment.

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What's the Nagarjunian answer. He never says outright. We are somehow perceiving the world incorrectly.

Yes. Seems to be true. Hence the need to study emptiness.

However, in the world. How in the world how on earth. Very good.

Yeah. Okay. That's it.

What started God. How to go. How, how could it be like that.

I got him, it's walnut. I haven't had one of those in so long. Very similar.

Okay. Anyway, sorry about it. Is it.

How do you. Is it still lt. I think it's.

Sure. Yeah, I believe it'd be Nick's official now. Professor Darga.

And there's nothing I can do. If you run in someday. Um, here we go.

Here we go with a little bit of what I've been working on. Where were we. Aha.

So this was what you had assigned me in the last class that we've had together I guess you Michael. All right. Okay, good.

That part I can see is fine. Okay, somebody. Yeah, here's the third section the denial that things could exist through any nature of their own.

Using the reasoning that things are neither one, nor many. Okay. We have a root text first.

Shall we skip them. There's a couple. Sure.

The reason being, it's impossible to translate the verses until you do the commentary. Yeah, especially this one, this second one really gave me a hard time. Okay.

This is, this is one of the simplest parts that I've had because we're all so familiar with the concept. Yeah, nice to get out of my lonely school and go higher into the school we understand. Yeah.

So, checking up on church and people need to have a mint that took today. Consider a physical things is not really just one thing because it has separate parts. I'm echoing somewhere.

So kindness. Thank you. Okay.

I just, it's fine. I like the translation. And I ask you, did you, what consideration might you have had with nopal.

To make a new translation. Soup chunking nopal. Oh, consider functioning things which are physical.

Yeah, good. Yeah, so that's the only thing. It's a ambiguous word.

It's possible sometimes that you must translate it as functional thing. But here correctly you did not, you did not do that. Yeah, because when you get to the end of this, it seems pretty clear that they're talking about all stuff.

I think he even says chokun. Yeah, good. So the Sanskrit is baba which means anything which exists.

But it can mean, it can be restricted to functional things. Are there things that exist that are not functional. Yeah.

Empty space. Empty space or emptiness. Eggplant.

Stuff like that. You just haven't cooked properly Geshe Michael. I've been telling you.

Yeah, I've been telling you for years. Squeeze the water out. What did that guy say that I never met a person I didn't like?

Will Rogers. I never met a person I didn't like. All right.

Can you make sense? You're so short. dak ma juk pa'i khen me te sook chen chok me pa ni ga yang me pa chi ro Is there a problem if you say that the reason doesn't apply?

Because a partless physical thing doesn't exist at all. Yeah. No, I think what it means is there's no danger here that anyone could reply, I disagree with your reason.

You see what I mean? The chok me means there's not going to be an opposing position? No, just the first phrase up to the first comma means there's no danger that someone could answer dak ma juk to what I just said.

Oh, that's how I understood it, but somehow my English is not conveying that. Yeah. In English you don't say the reason doesn't apply as the first test?

Well, what I'm saying is the way you phrased it in English, it's the opposite of what it would be. You see? It should say, and there's no problem where someone could answer.

You see what I mean? Yeah, yeah, where someone could answer that the reason doesn't apply. That's all.

Instead of if you say. There is a problem if you say the reason doesn't apply. Oh, I see what you mean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see why that wasn't clear. We're saying you could never say the reason doesn't apply.

Yeah, totally. I understood it that way. It was just my jumbled English.

Did you do this in the morning or late at night? That's the question. Probably late at night.

Part of this. Yeah, I like the way you said doesn't exist at all for gayangme. That's a nice translation of this idiom.

Not idiot, idiom. Okay. Let's go to the next.

Can you read the last one here? Yep. And you gave me the homework, I think, all the way down to.

Okay. I'm going to have some more. Dumar Denno Shana.

You got to change your font to out of. I think I did this in our team class for some reason. This episode to make Aldo laugh or something.

I forget why. Why do you think the R is on the Dumar? Do things exist as can things really be many?

Good. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I think you got to catch that are that the Danish grammar case, right? Word.

As many. Yeah. Good.

That's better. Yeah. Okay.

All right. Also get rid of that question mark, please. Oh, that's what I was going to ask you, actually.

Get rid of the comma. Get rid of the comma, actually. Right.

That's what I was going to ask. This has been confusing me for 30-something years. That's okay.

Yeah. I'm thinking to get permission to send everybody back to sixth grade. So in that case.

Teacher. And teachers. Is this.

I still lowercase. Yeah, that's why I would leave it a comma. You, you know, by.

By context that it's a question. You need to have the question mark. But that's, that's what this editor would say.

Okay. Can I have somebody come up? I have about 12 people here.

Can, can I have somebody come up and read? Please, please, please. Yeah.

I have fresh from the kitchen. Hey. Subject.

We're here. Nick, can you scroll up a bit? Yes.

Okay. Let's look what he said. Things aren't really many.

Good. Because there's no thing that exists. No one thing makes it.

Yeah, nice. Because it follows. That without one.

That's pretty good. I would, if it were me personally I would cover the cup, more, more aggressively, more clearly. Because it could not be the case, or because it must be the case that without one there's no many.

That must be the case because.

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Yeah.

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And that must be the case because. Okay, I like it. I would add something like that.

Okay, since that's so short. Let's, let's, and then do another one. You ready, Jack?

Sukchen. Sukchen gizun ne chukun. Give me more.

Stretch this out. And that's for the benefit of your listening. Sukchen gizun ne chukun la chik tang tu chel ki ten sik gi.

ki ten druk ngok ngok it's really ngok ngok nice, okay let's check his translation using the example a physical thing, that's nice chu kun na we have denied that anything at all could truly exist chik mun na chi tan de re ten te chik ten druk chik mun na using the reasoning of one and many okay yeah the reasoning that things are neither one nor many I mean whatever we want to settle on calling it that's fine, I'm just worried about the pigs just truly using the yeah I would say by using or something like that because uh it's it's ambiguous a little bit when you say exists truly using you see exists yeah makes sense i was i was actually worried about that similar twice it's a slightly ambiguous not not very much okay jack wants to do one more because three is a magic number very good yeah yeah it's more tricky than that nick does the fact that go that way yeah yeah yeah that makes sense because it's going that way in the next paragraph so what's it now how are you going to read it uh does the fact that physical form is uh is is physical form empty of existing in truth through some nature of its own yeah good is the fact that physical stuff is empty of real existence does that fact exist by itself okay yeah is it from syntax that you just know that that's what it says or is it from uh the context of what follows in the book it's a lot of clues you know and and when you ask an old man why he hears something it's countless clues you know so it's uh it's partly in the meter okay don't you know uh you see what i mean so when a declarative statement it's often you know and that's just something you can't read in a grammar book it's the it's the cadence of the sentence you know which is kind of difficult topic and difficult to to define really okay right because it's not like a fixed rule it's just it's a feeling from any okay let's kick out jack you want to choose somebody else that's let's do that way nick you want sounds good kick him out choose someone else jack he's choosing hit the road now stretch these out for me may not temper may pay to cheer day yeah and and when uh when people are reading in the in the monastery they'll they'll they'll say russian key group on mayday because they want the listener to know it's an instrumental okay uh let's check nick's translation there is nothing for things just by nature foreign um you gotta focus on the r on on the first okay clause okay uh oh in a case where you see um okay yeah first r on map are in the first says in a case where uh things are not where physical things do not exist in some nature of okay ah and in such a case where physical things do okay yeah and uh sweet generation in in such a case then the lack of a nature to physical things itself or you see what i mean yeah i understand then that what he's saying is that in a case where physical things are empty the emptiness of those physical things is itself something which has no nature of its own okay so so yuppa here is representing soup chen i mean we're saying and then when well it well actually um i don't know let's say here i see i see kind of the fact that you see what i mean yeah yeah oh yippa mappa is the fact that they're not there yeah the fact that there is no existence of things which exist through their own nature okay okay okay no such thing as something which could exist through its own nature okay physical things okay okay ariya nagarjuna he favors this this kind of clause he favors it he often says rather than he often throws in he does it elsewhere also okay okay oh this is our this is our guilt subj doing it yeah uh then so let's focus on the end nick okay then because there's nothing to rest upon the foundation that's perfect that's perfect yeah all right and this is this is the last part of the homework that you assigned me what's it mean here though can you can you gloss it yeah i would say that it means because if you don't have a thing to be empty there is no emptiness of that thing nice nice yeah emptiness is a quality of all things if there were no things there could be no emptiness yes good okay uh all right cool as oh yeah oh chloe you want to read one more one more verse chunchuk chunchuk wrong number car um yeah car roll nice chloe uh that was a tough one let's see yeah comes from having done the thing right seven nothing yes termination yeah uh so nunchuk is uh nunchuk is is technically it's a logical process where you where you as where you assert something by uh canceling something else that's a nunchuk is a code word for uh asserting something positive because of the absence of something else i don't know there's no pizza on the table so there's no pizza grease on the table or something like that okay uh so when you are when by the time you have finished examining what you are examining uh they there would be no basis for the act of exclusion ah the act of exclusion nunchuk means the act of exclusion in a in a logical as a logical method yeah i know what you mean yeah okay uh and it's kind of interesting because if if you know if you're really deep into this stuff every morning for example you would uh appreciate that change is kind of the then with no b of che che great okay something to examine and an examination of it is similar to a table and a computer on it okay something to and the examination of it is similar to the table and the computer upon sitting upon the table okay and that's his topic right he's using this quotation to prove what uh that there's no that without a thing to be empty there's no emptiness yeah without a table you can't have a computer on the table right and then he he uses a we have to expect some kind of correlation in the quotation he decides to pull out and the quotation he pulls out says without an object to examine there can be no examination without a table there can be no computer on the table okay uh and then if it's excluded then there could be no relying you see so it's kind of a different meaning of excluded here i mean it's a more straightforward meaning if the table is missing there could be no yeah you're on the table and by the way you have to flow with him when he forces an ancient quotation into his point yeah if it's a little if it's even if it's a little pushy you know massage it a little bit to fit the point that he's trying to prove translator and he's his quotation to prove an idea you better translate it in a way that sounds like that it sounds like it proves this idea yeah right right right and and for for jah and uh jj should i change it to something a little bit more nice than having examined the thing we examined no i kind of like it because it's also obviously meant to be a little uh what do you call that it's jingly yeah shanti but means it as a jingle he means it to be jingle so you can make it a jingle you better make it a jingle if you're a translator so these are all things that you know a translator has to shantideva wants to be cute you better make your translation cute yeah yeah yeah yeah love shantideva i love shantideva too so that uh that was my assignment from last time uh so if you want we've gone further but uh did you do more uh let's try the next one it gets a little tougher now uh uh so that was who was that reading jack no i was chloe you want chloe to choose another victim yes please oh power dennis i knew she was going to do that okay his reading is pretty good now um all right let's see mr dennis oh yeah hey responsible for the english garden at the peace tree cafe right here go slow go happy chum chum good pay nice yeah may bar your yeah here pretty nasal we're saying no no uh keep your tongue flat in your mouth and do not touch the top of your mouth with your tongue no no no no yeah it's closure here it's not a contact of the tongue with the palate that's it's a tongue force the tongue to stay down and close it back in your throat no no bring them out yeah okay good you know say me dear war war nice stay here i say nick he's doing some what do you call the alliteration here he's like darn you're he's emphasizing pre-nasals which is all root text pretty much right some of it but he doesn't know he's doing it he's doing it because it sounds better in tibetan it sounds more fluent but it's interesting to notice that he's doing it he's got like six pre-nasals in a row here and it sounds sweeter to him but he doesn't know why okay well that might be hard to replicate when we translate it into english but it's boy that's getting into it uh produce things destroyed by me i i make no claims about the correctness of this translation uh no it's okay let's start with something yeah the the tongue is important here uh it's not the tongue and tongue because it's not dr it's gr yeah but it's not cold right it's like oh and it's also not number like charm chamber like sankya right but it does relate to the number in sankya and it if you count meaning you know if you if you if you believe okay like i don't count him a good person uh like that uh if if you consider it means consider here if so because i i count him a good uh or something like that you know uh okay if you consider uh i like the toe jumper yeah toe up means a hammer where do you see this chum usually uh drum chomba yeah dr chomba enemy so smashing something with a hammer let's ope when you use a nimble remedy yeah so then the hammer represents the remedy right when when you apply an a spiritual antidote to something okay when you apply an antidote to something like nimble top she was the you know the power of the antidote with from the four powers the four antidote powers here he's using the word antidote and he's comparing the hammer to the antidote which is sweet you know this is what confession does to your bad seeds is what a hammer does to a vase cool nice okay so yeah uh no permission to ship on so what nopal chick bus past tense of what destroyed yeah jeek jeek yeah when something when a vase has been smashed which is to say when it's destroyed with a hammer which we can say it is antidote okay uh and if you say that that that the resulting absence exists by nature that's the question it's a kind of it's an emptiness question wow okay is the smash is the lack of vase something that exists truly that's the question it and it's all it's all a metaphor for emptiness itself okay by the way when you smash a vase what you have left over is not the emptiness of a vase right it is the absence of a vase okay so he's now he's off on a metaphor of a vase you know so if you smash a vase with a hammer you get an absence of a hammer is that absence self-existent okay that makes so much more sense than what i was understanding because this at least it connects to what came before well nene says rangshiki yuppa nyi me if you say if you count if you consider that the absence does not exist by nature so i guess it's a response to saying the absence itself is empty it doesn't exist if you take a thing which exists what through some nature of its own and nopo here is heavily charged as the vase okay thing okay uh and if you jig by it mm-hmm destroy it which is to say you jump by it which is the another form of the verb jump destroy it okay he's by the way he's he's using synonyms in a sentence to gloss the root text and this is opposition opposition he's using two synonyms in a row the jig as you can see it's bold type it's dark type that means it's the root text and then he's being cute and he inserts jumba after it which destroy or smash yeah or which is to say this arm means which is to say okay you just you destroy it which is to say you smash it okay he's putting words in the garch in his mouth uh then what could nyambo that what could what could remedy that uh or nick i would say don't forget here for him nyambo means the the agent of destruction uh-huh so oh a hammer what could smash that uh if if you destroyed something which is which is to say if you just smashed it then how could it how could the hammer be the antidote for how could the hammer relate to the absence of a vase okay that's the trick and again you're getting to a something resting on the basis without a basis you see what i mean if yeah yeah if the true if the hammer truly smashes the vase and there's no vase there then how can there be an action so okay yeah mm-hmm say he's questioning emptiness itself okay if you say the emptiness of something but it's not there so how's their relationship how can the thing have a relationship with nothing okay so what is the nyambo here though exactly referring to it to be uh the hammer okay uh you could say shut up maybe i don't know i don't know yet we don't know yet yeah yeah uh so then he says jitardir nagarjuna said how could it be an antidote how can a hammer be an antidote for empty space right right right right so would that still be the antidote yeah how could it be how could it be it couldn't be uh-huh it could not i got that part right it could not saying he's glossing nagarjuna he's saying what nagarjuna means to say nagarjuna said how could it be and and gyaltsab je says he means he's sitting next to nagarjuna nagarjuna is from a foreign country he has a strong israeli accent or something and you know uh gyaltsab je is sitting next to him they're in the cafe and he's like and then uh gyaltsab je is what he means to say is he i don't see how i could smash the thing you know he's he's sitting next to nagarjuna almost irritatingly explaining every single word he uses okay and that's the the dark letters are nagarjuna and the light letters are gyaltsab je interrupting him to explain his accent okay okay kind of sweet i okay when you're confused like we are slightly here and either it will clarify it or everyone will forget that we didn't figure it out uh i appreciate that we are confused because i was i struggled with this intensely a lot had to call my friends is how you improve right translator yeah do you want to take the plane back for this just because i now that i know that whatever i have coming is based on previous misunderstanding like me to go ahead with your translation here the next paragraph can you can you uh progress yeah can you this wants to try one more sentence nick you correct him okay and i'll drink coffee you got it wrong shin he he yod yappa street see feed yeah uh ma yin fei cheer nice day stretching out hey when s drops out you have to when you call it linguistic compensation excuse me nick that this doesn't appear in the text that we got from geshe michael as next in this book nagarjuna again i don't know where it comes from i'm trying to find it because folio 20a does come immediately next but it doesn't say that it says danon ying and ling day but hope by yui chikten etc okay you're saying it starts from here no well no look at there see it says gmr check to hear 5 25 24 looks like you did something i'm not sure what so you're saying that the version that geshe michael uh sent out yesterday what's the difference exactly it doesn't have this um what comes right after what we just did is 5.73 5.73 yeah in this version oh there's a that comes right after that yep uh well that's going to require some investigation because i don't see oh oh gosh a lot have you been inserting the verses from the tenger is that yeah okay so so what happened is he sent the version uh that is more recent than this version where he already inserted the the root text and i don't i didn't use that for this particular transition okay because and nor did i plan to continue this far in my okay transition so we're missing a so what's happening is i think what you're saying is over here kisha michael has inserted another verse of root text that's true but i'm also saying that what you have there is not what comes next in uh gilson jay's commentary do you check the scan i mean i'm just uh okay in in the you know i'm just looking at what geshe michael sent to us yesterday okay why don't we go to your version again and then uh and then i'll check this version against that and try to figure out what happened why there's a discrepancy between two versions got it uh let's do that uh so i'm about the 20a is correct uh um yeah or just search for i.73 i i searched for 20a okay okay so nick you want me to share my screen or yes sir okay if there's a discrepancy in the in the tibetan between these two versions then i'll have to we'll look at the scans and try to see why there's a discrepancy yeah okay okay good uh all right let's get you can see my version now yep yes let me make it fatter uh okay there we go uh now i wanted to note one thing that i'm just a standardization thing uh nowadays nick i'm if he splits the so so normally the sanskrit is two lines and the tibetan translators use four lines on two lines of sanskrit you see what i mean yeah uh and the english translators use like 12 shapelessly i don't care i want to make it clear i i don't really mind if it's 12 because the english is much less efficient than sanskrit or tibetan my chinese friends claim that chinese is like 500 more efficient than all of them people they're symbols uh but any characters but anyway uh i had trouble standardizing what to do when the tibetans split the verse uh of sanskrit when when the sanskrit is two lines which is normal and it becomes four lines in the tibetan unfortunately the first line of the sanskrit may be the last two lines of the tibetan right that happens a lot in english to tibetan to english or sanskrit to english it doesn't make any sense everybody to just split artificially the sanskrit into two lines and use the second line later and use the first line now the tax of tibetan and especially the syntax of english requires us to use the second line of sanskrit first and then the first line so it doesn't make any sense to call it 73a and 73b in the sanskrit so just so you know the standard that i use is i put the whole sanskrit verse which is two lines and then i put the first half of the tibetan where that's appropriate and i call and i and the numbers don't match up the sanskrit is 1.73 the tibetan is 1.73a and you can expect a 1.73b later of tibetan only let's see you won't include you won't include both lines of sanskrit again it is yeah here it is see and and the problem is nick he switched to a second another section you see that's confusing the sanskrit verse across two chapters um so you know i can't possibly reflect that so i so this is the standard i use i put i split the tibetan into a and b but i keep the sanskrit together choice there's no other choice i just wanted to point that out to you guys you'll understand it in about 20 years okay oh that's it's helpful thank you and and uh i think we've talked about this a little bit before but you said sometimes the second line of the sanskrit is the first two lines of the tibetan and would you say it's never almost never the case that the somehow the tibetan is taking from both lines of the sanskrit uh it's possible it happens yeah uh or it happens that the tibetan is from the end of the first line the beginning of the second line right right right right right just normally okay so anyway you have to do it this way and you'll understand when you get to it uh i'm gonna ask dennis to choose the next person to read ronnie ronnie okay come on ronnie because i'm sitting of the world that's been a tim's house nick okay then uh then uh it's nya yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah nick you're correcting i'm drinking coffee okay here i can follow where you are okay then uh yeah yeah um now follow with your cursor there you go uh by the way let's do the north together same thing tongue's flat tongue doesn't touch the top of the mouth and you close your throat yeah the tongue doesn't touch the top of good good good maybe Good. Okay. I wonder, I'm just wondering about something in the Tibetan here.

But okay. Nick, let's read it together. Therefore, on achieving nirvana, the world, meaning samsara, or the cycle of pain, didn't do really good before.

It used to be rang shing gi yupa. It's not as if it used to exist through some nature of its own. And I warn you that this sardu is the same sardu in sardumi lue rikpa.

Right. Freshly, in this case. Something like that, yeah.

It's not as if suddenly, okay, it's not as if suddenly you block the fact that things exist through their own nature. It is not when you achieve nirvana that you have succeeded in blocking the fact that things exist from their own side. You mean blocking the fact that, or blocking some samsara that existed from its own side?

You could say that. You could say that. Okay.

But it's not as if when you achieve nirvana, you are blocking self-existence. Okay. Why?

Because yupa yu man yong wa de che. By the way, I'm not comfortable with the Tibetan here. To me it should have said rang shing gi yupa yu man yong wa de che.

Because something that existed through its own nature is not a thing that you could have ever experienced? Yeah, but the yupa yu man yong is an idiom in Tibetan which means never ever happened, never will be, never is. It must be yu, yeah, because I was like yung ma yung.

And I think there's a check card, you got to check the card, let me see. Yupa yu ma yung. That's how I would have written it.

Okay. There's never been any such thing as an existence through its own side. You see what I mean?

Somebody, I think, and by the way, you get people who don't really understand the content who correct things. And they correct something like yupa yu man yong to yu ma nyong. So you'd have to check a few versions, which is why I write my friends frequently and ask them to find me new versions of karmis, like I bothered Nick and Ben this week, constantly.

And I'd give them like a C plus in the results. I'm still waiting. Okay.

Still digging. Sorry.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Maybe Mongolia, but we couldn't find it even there so far. Smart place to check. And that's why we're in Mongolia.

Okay. Now, it's my philosophy that you do not waste two minutes. So yeah, choose somebody quick, quick, quick, quick.

Anjali reads fast. Oh, sit here. Talk loud.

Be like Jason Michael. Start with corduroy. Let's go together.

You ready? We're going to read this fast, because I don't want to keep people from their cafe date or anything. Nick corduroy.

The cycle of pain. Or nyong and nirvana. And nirvana.

How young? Either one. Yeah, good.

Neither one are established through any nature of their own or exist through any nature of their own. Either one exists through any nature of its own. Therefore, chuk chu tsa nyi ben, the sixty-two, oh sorry, wrong views, which can be duped into tab chu shi.

They can be included into the 14 unanswerable questions. Yeah, or the 14 extremes. Okay.

So the 62 wrong views can be abbreviated to 14 extreme views. Okay. Views about extremes.

dunpa la shen kyi ngapa ga shik gi. Some people of the past, they asked Lord Buddha, dak dang jik ta, does the self or the world have an end? Or not.

Yeah, or not. Do I have a final end? They asked Buddha.

These are very famous questions about final. Final beginning, final end. 14 questions.

Okay. And shubha na is high on nirvi. It can mean request, but in a sentence like this it means they asked the Buddha a question.

You don't say ask a Buddha a question, you say prefer a question to the Buddha. Okay. And the gyalwa, the conqueror, did not reply.

Chiang, chiang, chiang, chiang. At all. Yeah, he didn't say, in response he said.

Nothing. Yeah, he opened his mouth and went out. Okay.

And he just shoot. Stayed silent. He sat there.

Okay. These are the 14 unanswered questions of the Buddha. By the way, which makes a really nice class.

I used it recently to do it. In fact, I wrote a whole DCI manual based on it. Fourteen.

Four. Four? Or three.

Three, I think. Anyway. And if you're interested, we found the 62.

Ben and me found the 62, which was hard. Really hard. And we translated the whole thing.

And then we translated the 14. So his book, the reason his book is so fat, is we went and nobody ever goes and looks for these 62, but we did. And we found them and we translated it.

And here's a summary of it from Ben's book, if you're interested. Okay, I didn't add the whole thing because it was too much. All right.

But Buddha said, these 62 are chains that keep you in prison in the world of pain. That was Buddha's response to the 62. Okay, 62 wrong ideas.

And there's a certain breakdown here. 18 are opinions about did the world begin? 44 are opinions about does the world have a final ending?

He assigned a whole DCI level of unanswered questions. It's called unanswered questions. And it's asking questions about your life that most people never think about.

Where are you going? Where are you going to be? What does your own culture in China or America or Mexico, what did they say about the end of the world?

Or about the beginning of the world? The Tibetans say it was a monkey and a witch had sex, and human beings came from that. And you laugh.

And there's another school that says there was a garden and there was a guy and he broke his rib off. And you know, so be careful what you laugh at. Okay, all right.

Okay, so that's how things started. And the Buddhist position is that there was no beginning. And there is, obviously, there could be no beginning.

If there's anything, there's no beginning. Okay, Nick Kagichina. And I want you to attempt to translate this big type, okay, with the numbers in it.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
It's the 14 in unanswerable. Yeah, it is. Cool.

Exciting. Yeah, thank you. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's from, where did I pull it out of? It's from Tsongkapa, which is pretty good.

All right. Oh, yeah, I remember this book. He wrote a two-volume classic when he was 26.

In English, it would be 4,000 pages when he was 26 years old. A little, what do you call that? Arrogant.

It's fun. It's fun to read. Nobody uses it a lot because it's very dry.

But anyway, he has the 14 in there. You're gonna ask me a question, Nick. I'm just wondering why it's attributed to GELTSUBJ here in the link, in the path.

I don't know why. I don't think it's GELTSUBJ. We'll check.

I'll check it. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. You know, it's under the category of GELTSUBJ. Maybe it's, I don't know.

I'll check. All right, handsome. Everyone's like, me?

Who's up on Monday, Nick? So I wanted to discuss that with you very briefly. I did get a last-minute request for another change.

So let me pull up the schedule here. Instead of Xiaoping where it says that on the schedule, we're going to have the owner of the tallest house in Rimrock, Tim, is kindly agreed. What's the date?

Today is the January 4th. Okay. So Gibson and Tim on Monday.

Gibson and Tim. Yeah. I remember Gibson and Tim.

Can you send me an email just for grandpa's memory? Absolutely. CC me if there's another change later on in the month to make up for that.

Yes, yes, for sure. I'll let everybody know. The changes are still in the process.

Okay. Ben Kramer, I want you to know that because you figured out the 62 and the 14 and all those other painful things, we're all going to eat a cinnamon roll just for you. Thank you.

All right. Just imagine that you're having it. Thank you.

I did nothing. You recover well. It seems like you're better in the translation class on all the drugs, so I don't know what it could be.

Anyway, how does it feel? Do you feel okay? Me?

Does it feel like they took your guts and put them around a stick and put it back in or something like that? It does a little bit, actually, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, the drugs I noticed made me a little dopey when I was listening to classes, for sure.

[Говорящий 1]
I would say dopeier, but we'll talk about it. Hey, I'm about to go on and get dressed and wearing it right now. Bye.

Say hi to all the kids, you guys. Thank you, Geshe Michael. Thank you so much for a wonderful class.

I'm learning a lot. I think we all are. It's a very hard section about the emptiness of emptiness, and you're doing a good job on it.

Getting there. I will work ever harder in 2025. All right.

Okay, carry on, you guys. All righty, all righty. Thank you, Tim, for letting us use your house.

Aldo? Yeah, Aldo. Now, we created G-Box grants for the Mexico team who goes around Latin America teaching to work with Mixed Nuts translators.

It's a special grant that was designed mainly for the Latin American Turing Mexicans and to help them travel and pay their expenses and pay for kids that are about to be born. I was informed yesterday that nobody has applied except for Paulina, so if you meet the guy Aldo, tell him Grandpa's holding one grant left for a certain guy. Okay, get in touch with Tim, like in the next few days.

All right. Bye. I'm sure Nick wants to do it with you.

Let's do it. Yeah, let's work together. That'd be fun.

All right. I'm just setting you guys up together on a date. All right.

Okay, see you later. See you later, Geshe Michael. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

We have five minutes before Hasso comes in swinging to make us all be quiet so he can deliver the world news. Let's see what we can come up with. What do you guys think?

Anybody have thoughts, hammers, smashing things, practical applications of that? I was just thinking of analyzing the husband in the kitchen that doesn't exist. Okay.

You don't eventually figure out what made him a jerk. No matter how long you think about the husband in the kitchen who is a jerk from his side, you don't go from like, oh, it was traffic on the way here, or like, no, you know what, it was his boss. I finally figured out the husband in the kitchen who's a jerk from his side.

It was his childhood. Or like, no, no, no, I've analyzed it further. And I finally figured out it was his parents' parents who were jerks, who eventually made his parents jerks.

And now he's a jerk.

[Говорящий 2]
You don't eventually get to the bottom of why the husband who doesn't exist is a jerk. There's no husband who's a jerk from his own side that gets left standing at the end of the process of trying to get to the bottom of it all. There's nowhere to go in his bones except in your heart.

Right.

[Говорящий 1]
I think about that a lot in terms of, I mean, I have a visual experience of that idea that it's like thinking about things in the way that we tend to, it's like an endless maze that we're trapped in and we can never, and it seems like there's a way out through these different thought processes or solutions and there really just isn't. And the only way out is kind of like to get up on top and be able to look down at the maze and realize that you never could have found a way out. You could never think your way out because you just have to change your whole mental process.

[Говорящий 2]
It's almost weirdly connected to this idea of beginninglessness, right? You can see it'd be a hopeless project to get to the original cause of why the husband's a jerk from his side. You'd have to get to who were his parents' parents before the Big Bang or something.

It has to be fruitless to go looking for the problem there. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Hard to keep in mind. Important to keep in mind. I think Olga wants to say something before we're out of time.

I see the hand.

[Говорящий 2]
Hi, thank you. Yeah. To me, since some long time ago when Geshe Michael presented this idea that emptiness is also empty, there was a big question that I started thinking about, like how could that be?

And then like if it's empty, if it doesn't have its own nature, if it must be depending, it must depend on something. It must rely on something. So I was really breaking my brain around for a long time and I was trying to ask this question to many people.

Some of them even didn't understand this, but that's another story. Didn't understand the question. But then I was thinking a lot myself, including through this debate club that we had meetings of and on my own.

And then I came to the conclusion that what it means that emptiness is also empty is that it can't exist without the object which is empty of something. And this is what actually the emptiness of emptiness is all about. And that was the only kind of conclusion that I could come to in explanation of this question.

How can emptiness be empty and what is it empty of? I mean, of its own nature, but if it doesn't come from seeds or from something else, then what does it depend on? And today's class was kind of looked like a proof to me that maybe this is the actual answer to the question that I came to on myself.

We'll see if I get some better explanation from someone. I'm ready to change my opinion. And this is a very big question for maybe everyone.

So I'm not saying that I have come to the final right conclusion, but at least it seems reasonable for me for the moment, especially given today's class.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, I think it's really good. I mean, I think that emptiness being dependent upon the object to be empty is right on, in my opinion. So I think that that's certainly something emptiness is dependent upon.

And if you really want to bust your brain a little bit, even I would say you're right. And I think it was in this text or it might've been in a different one. It talks about how emptiness, we only even talk about emptiness because we misperceive things.

Like what are things empty of? They're empty of existing from their own side. So if there was no mind thinking that things existed from their own side, then emptiness would have no meaning.

So perhaps emptiness is also dependent upon misunderstanding. A kind of interesting way to think about it. I think we should go to Juan before he erupts into just anger because we're just taking all this time.

Just kidding, Juan. Are you there though, Mr. Juan, to deliver the Peachtree World News?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, I was about to leave.

[Говорящий 1]
He just couldn't take it anymore. Not at all. Actually, I don't mind it.

I know. I know. And then as I say, I feel less guilty when I take the time of others.

Anything we can do to help you feel happier. I only joke that you'd be angry because you're so good natured and happy.

[Говорящий 2]
But if you want to send a bonus to apologize, that's OK.

[Говорящий 1]
I will send you a bonus. So today I had to stay home because I was feeling a little weird on the throat. I don't know, right?

[Говорящий 2]
Sometimes I joke that after or before big productions, I get sick. I may be allergic to work or something. I just kidding.

So here we are. And actually, I'm very happy that we just last last a few days ago.

[Говорящий 1]
We had the celebration of the new year in the western side, you know, in Asia, mostly based on the moon calendar. And it's going to come up. The Asian New Year is going to come up soon in a few more weeks.

But we have the Western New Year.

[Говорящий 2]
And then we did some celebration, actually, at the Pitch Tree Cafe. It was wonderful to be back to that venue. And it happens to be also the anniversary of this project, the Pitch Tree World News, because we started on a New Year's event two years ago.

So this is like like, you know, we are becoming two years old. And I would like to show you just a small video of some pictures and videos that we had a few days ago there to start with. Then I'll guide you through other interesting things coming up.

[Говорящий 1]
OK, so Happy New Year. Happy New Year. And thank you so much to everyone who makes this possible.

Especially I want to thank Veronica and Geshe Michael. And of course, everyone who has support and keeps participating and coming to watch this program.

[Говорящий 2]
So thank you really, everyone. It was very fun. And yeah, also great experience because every time producing these events, I saw many crazy things happen, at least to me.

And then it's part of the trip and the learning process to deal with everything there. Well, and when we were there at the Pitch Tree Cafe celebrating, I want to share with you one of the posters of an event that our friend Gielse was hosting in Diamond Mountain. She just finished this retreat on the New Year's retreat.

They went there from December 29 and they finished yesterday on January 3rd. So we were at the party and they were also at the meditation party in Diamond Mountain, and that was wonderful. And now I would like to invite our friend Gielse because she, sorry, our friend Utpala, because she's having also a retreat coming up very soon.

And she's here with us to talk about some of the details and the content that may come up during her retreat, which it's going to be, it's the next picture, please. Yes, that one.

[Говорящий 1]
It's going to be on January 17th to the 26th. So here she is with us. Hello, Utpala.

[Говорящий 2]
Good to see you and Happy New Year.

[Говорящий 1]
Happy New Year. Thanks so much for inviting me. No, very welcome.

Very welcome.

[Говорящий 2]
I was very excited the other day when I finally realized this was actually, it says Diamond Mountain, but it's a Diamond Cutter Classics event.

[Говорящий 1]
No, it's actually a Diamond Mountain event.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, it's both or it's Diamond Mountain?

[Говорящий 1]
No, it's a Diamond Mountain event.

[Говорящий 2]
Not a Diamond Cutter Classics?

[Говорящий 1]
Nope.

[Говорящий 2]
So maybe Nick was being sneaky trying to get good seats by helping. Anyways. Sneaky?

[Говорящий 1]
I thought he was being obvious that he's paying for the seats for retreat. Wonderful, wonderful. So could you share with us a little bit of what are like, how do you visualize this retreat coming up?

[Говорящий 2]
How it may be for people who attend? And if you can share a little bit of the topics you would like to address. To me, I always like those things.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, so we plan to do a few days at the beginning with meeting as a group in the morning. So those who will be attending. Well, first, let me say that everyone will have their own cabin.

So this is not like other group retreats you may have done at Diamond Mountain before. We want to focus on the solitude and being able to get into a more quiet state of mind. So we'll begin at the beginning where we'll do some yoga together.

Then we'll have a class on the content. Then we'll do a group meditation. So then that's the morning.

And then in the afternoon on those first beginning days, you'll be on your own meditating in your own cabin. And then we'll have some days at the end where you'll be all alone in your cabin. Of course, I will be there in case anyone has any questions.

I'm available for people. So the content, as you know, Emptiness Meditations, the book is, in my opinion, is I think Geshe Michael's best book he's ever produced. It has everything you need in there.

It has detailed examination of what the heck do we mean when we say that things are empty of any self-existence. And how to go through that. And then also it has how to meditate.

So it's what you need in order to see emptiness directly. So we will be going through a little of each. We're going to go slowly because Choney Lama says it's not enough to just...

Choney Lama is who wrote the first book that's translated in this book, Emptiness Meditations, Light on the Path to Freedom. He says it's not enough to just understand what we're saying about what, for example, the detail of school says is the absence of a self. You need to meditate on that.

So we are going to go slowly through the content and allow people the opportunity to work with these questions more deeply than just mere surface understanding. So that's my goal. Wonderful, wonderful.

And so how many classes or hours of class are there going to be a day?

[Говорящий 2]
Or it's different every day?

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, it'll be different every day. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So, well, sounds like a great opportunity to really deepen in these, how to say, contemplations, emptiness meditations, really.

[Говорящий 2]
And along with having basically the translator of this book there to explain the details on the content of this book. That's wonderful. I would like to share one more time the QR code for people who may want to register.

They can follow. As far as I understand, it takes you to the Diamond Mountain website, and then people register there, right?

[Говорящий 1]
Yes. And thank you also for showing the book. If you have not yet purchased the hardcover book and you have a desire to do so, and you are going to register for this retreat, register for the retreat first, and then you will get a code of some sort so that you can then go to Diamond Cutter Press and get a reduction on the price of the book.

Okay, wonderful. Okay, thank you so much. So, we will be later, hopefully, hearing from you how did it go.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah. Thank you very much. We want to wish you best, best wishes over there, and everyone who had the opportunity to go as well.

[Говорящий 1]
We will keep, you know, it's still like, what is it, about two weeks, a little less than two weeks, about, yeah, almost two weeks, basically, for this event to start.

[Говорящий 2]
So, we will keep showing the QR code soon. But if you're planning to go, you better start making the trip preparations. And Diamond Mountain is a wonderful, wonderful place.

Utpala, by the way, she spent more than three years doing a long silent retreat over there. So, she's now an expert of emptiness meditation books and how to do retreat. So, you'll be in very good hands if you participate in this retreat at Diamond Mountain.

[Говорящий 1]
Just a correction, I'm a student of those things.

[Говорящий 2]
Experienced student.

[Говорящий 1]
Well, thank you very much. Very welcome. And thank you, thank you very much.

[Говорящий 2]
As our next section today, I'm gonna give over the presentation to my friend Chloe, that she actually had the fortune to be live there during class. So, if tech table could help me to, yes. Hello, Chloe.

How are you?

[Говорящий 1]
Hi, great. I'm doing great. Happy New Year, everybody.

And hello, Juan. Thank you.

[Говорящий 2]
I let you present.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, so, happy New Year, everybody. And I hope you had a great celebration. And I know that you saw some of our celebration.

If you want to put any New Year wishes or New Year resolutions in the chat to share with each other, that would be wonderful. And today, we actually have, I actually have a gift for Geshe Michael. So, let me change this.

Oh, okay. Oh, this background is need to blur. Hi.

So, this is for you. Oh, cinnamon rolls. So, yeah.

Where did this come from? Yeah, you can open this. Oh, 100 jewels.

Wow. So, this is actually from Geshe-la. It's a book about all the 100 books.

Paper reading for goodnight book. Yes. So, I went to the ICM and this was part of the manual.

So, if you sign up to the DCI Advanced Level 4, double your productivity. You get to have this. And Geshe-la, do you have something to say about this?

Oh, it's just very beautiful. This is the first part of a book that we're going to put together. A fatter book of reading that you can do after you lock up your electronics at night.

So, this, you know, you put your phone and your computer in this bag. You lock it for the night. And then you lay down on your bed and relax and start reading these inspiring ancient books and other materials in here.

So, this is really nice reading with seeds to put in your mind before you go to bed. And it affects you during the day. Later, you know, over the weeks to come, you'll start having cool ideas and stuff like that.

That's all. Thank you for printing it. I'll go show it to my wife to prove I was working.

So, all of these are your books, and I guess I give you a gift of your own. Thank you. They're all selections.

Some of them are books that are out of print. So, it's nice. They're nice books that I worked on through the last 35 years, something like that.

Yeah. So, Gina, if you can cue the image of Geshe Michael teaching on the books. But this was during the SEM, so painting show, right?

So, these are the books you will see in them. These are from the silent three-year retreats, and there are other ones. Okay.

So, thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you. Welcome.

Thank you. I'm sorry I have a big date with the cinnamon roll. Yes, you can.

I will join you guys very soon. Okay. So, Gina, let's go to the photo with Professor Nick.

So, I just want to share a little bit about SDIM. I had such a fun time studying it. And if you can cue that photo with the professors in the Zoom.

That was... I'm never kidding. So, professor, there are many professors in SDIM terms.

Not this one. The first one before Geshe Michael. Yes.

So, you can see here, we have some translators in Mixed NASA. Also, Professor Nick, Professor Su Jian, and Professor Stanley Chen. And there are also Hongni, JB, Professor Noor, Seiji.

So, lots of... It's basically you get the... Also, Tim.

Oh, no. Tim is not teaching. But anyways.

So, there are lots of Mixed NASA translators are going to present wisdom in a different way. So, it's a very fun time. So, now let's go to the game show.

So, not only you learn, but you also get to have fun. And look at this one. This is the old Sedona College where they were attended in person and having these game shows.

So, I highly recommend you guys to try one term. It's excellent. It's a teacher training for DCS.

And then you get that kind of manual, which I just gave to Geshe Michael. So, now let's get to the YSI event. Let's play the video on Bhagavad Gita.

We're going to finish Hatha Yoga Pratipika this week. And it's been a wonderful two years. So, the next course is Bhagavad Gita.

I like this book. Mahatma Gandhi is one of my heroes in my life. I think, be the change you want to see or something like that.

That whole philosophy of nonviolence, Ahimsa, the best way to deal with someone taking over your country and shooting you is to stand there and let them hit you. And that's brilliant. According to Hatha Yoga, that's genius.

And that's the best way to get rid of nasty people. His approach to stand there and let them hit him with sticks and break his bones and things, it's brilliant. His idea of Ahimsa is brilliant.

His favorite book, and the book which guided his whole life, is the Bhagavad Gita. And he was a big Bhagavad Gita fanatic. He used it for everything.

And as a text, you know, I'm a textual scholar. As a text, I think it has some weaknesses. It has some parts that I think were added later, particularly about the caste system, which I find repugnant.

I would never teach it or support it. But I think they were added later. The main text, the guts of the text, is extraordinary.

And it led Gandhi, guided his life, and many other great saints. And we created a course, which is four different courses. Would take also two years, I think.

And we already booked out the time for next year. So I'd like to teach that next, if you guys are up for it. And we'll do two years of Bhagavad Gita.

And there's a lesson of Ahimsa in the whole Gita, the whole story on the battlefield of Krishna and Arjuna. Their conversation on the field of battle is one of the most important spiritual things ever written down. And it has many levels.

And there are secret levels of that conversation, which I learned. So if you're interested about it, I encourage you to come. It's an extraordinary spiritual experience to hear that book and to study that book.

If you want, we'll do it together, if we all survive till next year. Ta-da! I got another host.

Hi, Tim. I'm still at his house. So if you are interested, welcome to join our next adventure of Bhagavad Gita for the next two years.

So there'll be the QR code to sign up. And it's February. Only a short weekend.

So you can zoom in or visit us in Sedona. Thank you so much. And that will be all.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Tim.

And then on Monday, we'll have an interview in depth about YSI event. So I know we're over time. I'm so sorry.

Hope you guys have a rest of your weekend. Amazing and relaxing. Thank you.

Thank you. Don't worry, Chloe. Nick stole our time.

So it's okay. Oh. Just kidding.

But yeah, Michael Johnson is going to be having an introduction event on Wednesday. And Lydia will be coming to talk about the Bhagavad Gita on Monday. And what about Tim?

He's not presenting anything. Okay. I'm just saying hi.

All right. Thank you for letting us use your house. I missed you this morning, Juan.

Yeah. You know, overworked. I don't know.

Worked and underpaid. Is that how it goes? I guess.

Okay. See you guys later. If we survive for Monday.

Thank you all. See you guys. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend.

Bye.