Ник Лашо — Книга 2: Ратнамала, занятие 40

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Now you just need a place to put the barn door, you guys turn off your mic, my mic's off but there's somebody else in this room. Hello and welcome to Xuanzang's tower, can you guys hear me? Sugen, I know you can hear me, Sugen, you're sitting right next to me.

The audio and video is so out of sync, it's quite funny. Like funny, like ha ha ha ha. That shine is not the sun, it's my, no, go ahead.

Oh no, I happen to be lucky enough to be in the presence of Keshe Michael and our great group here and they raved, it was like this, here in beautiful Rimrock, Arizona where it's sunny and lovely and thanks to Xiaoping. We don't have those testy oceans. We like to keep them.

You know nobody would like the ocean and beach and I just want to say a special thanks to Xiaoping and Stanley for letting us use their house for just like last year and indefinitely into the future. It's a beautiful place and they have it set up so lovely and there's even some kind of like wooden Xuanzang's tower plaque. Hand painted, so we're just really lucky to have such good friends and good mixed nuts because they're mixed nuts too.

So anyway, it's my class now and I'm almost finished whiting out the answers, so give me like three seconds while I do that for you. We'll spend an afternoon in BLC. Oh no, I don't want to.

I think I exacerbated my wrist injury doing that. I got that injury surfing with Rob. That's a hard lie.

So here we go. Let me share my screen. Oh, you know what?

I hear your request for me to send it to you, Fala. That's a very good request. Funny story, I am using a quiz that I gave you guys already like three months ago and the reason I decided it wasn't only laziness.

I read the quiz and I didn't know the answers. Since I didn't know the answers, I figured you guys wouldn't either. So since you wouldn't know the answers, then I thought it was okay to give you the quiz again.

So anybody who doesn't know is welcome to answer. So we're going back to where we were three months ago because that was the last time I had a class with Geshe Michael was when I was here. I'm not complaining.

I'm grateful for it. I'm grateful for every class we get with you, but if you're saying that I can show up at the hospital for my class, I'll bring you a cheap ass way. Hey, Dennis.

Okay. If things existed through some nature of their own, they would have to reside within the blank blank or blank. Storehouse consciousness is a guess, and that's not the right answer.

So that is a guess that came through here. I like that. I guess, though, it's my volume.

You guys feel free contingent, say contingent. $100. I need to make up.

Yeah. Oh, no. Lindsay just got the answer, though.

Yeah. Wait. No.

Contra means any BS you make up. Yeah. Oh, Ben got the $100.

Lindsay got the right answer to the quiz, though, which is for no money, but all the glory. It's past, present, or future. By the way, Dr. Kramer, just contact my banker. Sure. Nice job, Lindsay. Does anybody want to give the West Chinese phrase that I translated as past, present, or future?

Yes. Good. Too soon.

So am I correct that people don't remember that this is the questions I gave you three months ago?

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Doesn't even vaguely ring a bell.

[Говорящий 1]
Doesn't even vaguely. Okay. But even then, after things were destroyed, they couldn't, well, here's the answer, go anywhere.

Go anywhere. Good. When things start, they couldn't.

Good. There's a specific way they phrase it. They couldn't go anywhere should be a hint.

When things are destroyed, they couldn't go anywhere. When they start, they couldn't. They couldn't have come from anywhere.

Good. Okay. All the glory for Geshe Michael.

It's coming when she's a surgeon. And after they have started, they couldn't stay. They couldn't stay.

They couldn't stay. Does anybody want to take a shot at the Tibetan for those? I didn't think so.

I also don't. Oh, okay. I don't know why I did it this way.

So this is a bonus question. What West Chinese word does Geltinger use for entities? Anybody remember?

It's something that is surprising and it usually means self. Good. Just doc.

Good. Somebody online sounded like sense again, but it couldn't have been. Oops.

What distinction does Geltinger make between the emptiness of the world, meaning the cycle of pain and the emptiness of nirvana? I feel like Lindsay's going to get this one. Yes.

Good. None. Come on.

There's no distinction between the emptiness of nirvana and Geshe. She got out all that with no money. She gets a raise.

Good. Oscar, you're looking very Robert Downey Jr. Or pure. Yeah.

Good. Interrogative particle in this case, but it does usually mean or. Yeah.

But it's also an interrogative particle. Okay, good. So I have a lot of material translated because it's been three months.

Maybe we just do a small amount and then you take the plane. Okay. I'll have to stop this.

Give me one moment. Sorry. There it is.

Okay. Boom. Okay.

Can you guys see it? Not yet. There it is.

[Говорящий 2]
I see that we're going to see it. There it is.

[Говорящий 1]
So, yeah. This is some stuff, Ken, that we have worked on together as a team now. Okay.

So you can help us decide. So here's the second part from above. A denial that the definition of a produced thing is that it starts, stops, or stays through any nature of its own.

And this is particularly a point that we were debating as nuts, as mixed nuts, because it says, and we're like, what is Zenyi doing here? Is it saying the definition of a produced thing, or does it maybe mean the definitive qualities of a product? Yeah, here it's just the defining qualities.

The defining qualities. And by the way, yeah, okay. The defining qualities of a produced thing, which are starting, stopping, and staying, could exist through any nature.

I always like to put, what's that, optative, could exist through any nature. Because you have to imply that it's an object. As a transcendent, you should always say, suppose it's something.

Yeah, almost like a diminutive way of saying it. It's something. Yeah.

Okay, here's a verse. I would just go straight to that. Okay.

Do you want, unless you want to, but sometimes you don't know what I'm using to let's, we could do commentary first, but only because we've already worked on it together. I thought it might be fun, but let's do commentary. Shall I?

[Говорящий 2]
I don't know if it's addressable, but we can hear you quite well, and Geshe Michael not so well.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, so maybe if you could mute your computer, Nick, and then Geshe Michael unmutes his. Maybe we should just both sit on your computer. Yeah, we can do it either.

Okay, so please read, Nick. Okay. You can't see what?

Can you look on your, can you log in? I don't see it. You need the link?

We got some technical difficulties over here. Just bear with us. You guys work on it, and we'll keep going.

How in the world could anything really mean from its own side? Start starting. Okay.

Yeah, I like the way you treated dindu, which is the root text. Yeah, and then there was a positive, right? Is that true for all of y'all who are online?

Online we can see just fine. Okay, so it's a user mouth function on this side. By the way, if it's me, I would retain his rangshin ketupa.

What you said here is sur, sur or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. Meaning through some nature of its own.

I don't have to change it. I think I just get in the, I get almost like in the habit because you repeated something. Yeah, but I wanted to.

As you can guess, he might object to rangshin and not object to sur. Right, right, right. Okay.

Is that how you would treat like this, like there's a pe and then me partel. Would you like, and like put a question to say it can't. Just curious.

If it were me, I would start descendants with that. Isn't it, wouldn't it be the case or something like that? Okay.

Just to make it more honest. Perfect. Okay.

Okay. Stop throwing things. Okay.

So now we're in the next section. We're going to read Nick. Let's see who we're going to, Oscar for answering your question correctly.

Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
I think we say kyam juk for this one.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, kyam juk. And it's weird because it's like an M, but it's should be an N before J. It's okay.

Denial of the detailer's belief in an unchanging part. That's part of it. Okay.

For dual trend, I would just say smallest particle or something like that. Doesn't say year, may, or anything like that, you see what I mean? And it's possible to believe in dual trend and not believe in dual trend chow mein, you see what I mean?

And a denial of the relational rights. If you're going to say Vaishnavite as an adjective, you don't need to ask. Oh, no, no.

Actually, it should be this. That's also an option.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, that's what I meant to do.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. Okay, good. Who's next?

Oh, we have another verse of... Oh, do we want to... Now that we've hit the commentary.

Okay. Oscar, that was so little. Why don't you read one more?

Okay, cool. Yeah, I guess we could say in fact or something. Yeah, or in fact or in reality, but really it's fine.

Okay. Okay, cool. Which means self-existing.

Right. Okay. Do you want to continue for another like verse?

Yeah, I'm... Commentary. Okay.

It's fun for all of us because we worked on it together. So far, I had dinner in my honeymoon. Okay.

Skipping these. Oh, it looks like there's multiple root text verses.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Cool. There we go. Now, who's going to...

Nicholas. How about Tin? Do you want to read, Tin?

Yeah, sure. Thank you, Professor. Thank you.

Okay, good. Nice. Nice, Tin.

Thank you. They would say that the idea that they start or stop is wrong. I don't know, because they went with...

I'm trying to see if I did the part list. I just... Oh, yeah.

I think I... Doesn't... Again, it doesn't say chame, does it?

Right. And but what it says is the problem you raise... You see, nyepa der gyurwa, the problem you raise would be valid if we accepted...

You see what I mean? Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.

Ying gi pa, okay? So, the objection you raised, the problem you raised would be valid if we were people who accepted that things started and stopped. See what I mean?

But we don't... Okay. Key means...

But Koachak, us guys, we accept that du chen rangshin kitapar. They are unchanging from their own side. Yeah, particles.

It's like a scientist, okay? Therefore, your objection doesn't apply to us. You see what I mean?

Nyepa medok. Your objection doesn't apply to us. Okay.

Yeah, I really struggled with this one. If we thought that things started, stopped, and stayed, then your objection would be a good one. But we don't.

So, that objection is silly because we don't believe that. Okay. We believe all changing and functional things are founded in partless particles.

Therefore, your problems don't apply to us. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Cool. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that.

Oh, yeah, we got into this whole thing here. Here we go. So, this might be kind of a painful thing for you, so sorry.

I don't mind at all. That's very good. It was a hard section for me.

It is difficult. By the way, this is a very... The detailers.

So, the vaisheshikas, not the vaibhashikas. Yeah. Not in that way.

They believe that the things which start, stop, and stay are unchanging. So, that draws into question they started, stopped, and stayed. But if you had one in the room, I'm not sure he would say, okay, all right.

But they never get to be in the room. That's why we pick guys that died out a thousand years ago. Okay.

Please, we argue it. Who's going to win? Let's see.

When I'm screen sharing, I can't see anybody else. Word, can you pick someone? Sure.

Dodo. Oh, yeah. Oh, John.

Hi. Hi. From where?

Ngoponam. Ngoponam la nekab gyurwa yu tan me. Good.

Nice reading. By the way, nekab here means the state. Okay.

Does the state of a functional thing ever change or not? We're asking the guy. We're asking the detailer.

Okay. We don't like his last position. So, the yu tan me is more like the changingness, the changing state?

Is it possible or is it not possible for the state of functional things to change? Okay. To change state.

I'll just do this later. Okay. All right.

Who's going to go next? Does somebody in here want to read? Lindsay, would you like to read?

Okay. Oh, thanks, Rob. I don't mind the high chair.

Maybe Lindsay will read the next one. Word, can you pick somebody else, please? Certainly.

Elba.

[Говорящий 2]
I'm here. Thank you, teacher. Dhammo tanna dujun jita kye chi ma ma in ve dak ngung in de min ma del gyel te ne ka tak du ngyu na nyi the ngyu we chir.

Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Nice. Nice job. Okay.

Dhammo tanna. Yeah, if it's the first way. What was the first way?

Do the yu. It does the change of state. The changing state exists.

Dujun jita kye chi ma ma in ve dak ngung in de min ma del gyel te ne ka tak du ngyu na nyi the ngyu we chir. In that case, how could an atomic particle be something which was not something of an instant? You see?

Kye chi ma means of an instant. Something that only stays for an instant. Kye chi ma.

Say kye chi ma. Kye chi ma. Kye chi ma ma in.

Kye chi ma ma in. Two mamas. But it's not.

Okay. Kye chi ma. Pause.

Kye chi ma. Okay. So how could in that...

So he said, I think they do change state. Okay. And then we said, well, then how can an atomic particle be something that comes and goes within a single instant?

And then dak ngu is difficult. They say an unchanging entity. Or you could say a permanent entity.

Well, no, I don't... In this case, it's unchanging. Difference between permanent and unchanging.

Yeah, yeah. I was pretty confused about this statement. So how could an atomic particle be something which was an unchanging entity?

From ngupo here. Dak ngu. How could it be an unchanging entity?

Okay. If it changed states. It must not be.

Oh, right. Okay. It must not be.

Kyel te ne ka tak du gyur na mi. Te gyur we yin che. If the state was always changing, it would have to be changing.

Okay. It would change. Yeah.

And then he's glossing the root text. Okay. Otherwise, this sentence doesn't make sense.

Right. If kyel te, if atomic particles were always changing, which means if they changed. Okay.

And he's trying to cover the root text. Yeah. Why did Nagarjuna say always changing?

Keep talking. I think he's having fun with the other guy. The other guy said things last always without changing.

And he said, oh, well, they're always changing. So I guess they last always. He's answering with the always.

He's being cute. They said things last always without changing. He said, well, now they're always changing, aren't they?

So he's using taktu. He's using taktu as a goad. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. That's cool. Okay, good.

Fun. All right. Anyway, kyel te, do you use it?

He put the comma there. Because it's in the root text. He wants to alert you.

He doesn't have bold writing or not bold writing. Of course. He wanted to alert you.

You're supposed to say, that's weird. Why is there a comma here? Because he pulled out the root text.

He pulled out a piece of the root text. He wants you to, he wants to make sure you get it. But he's commenting on the, yeah, he's glossing it.

Hey, who's next? Mr. Nicholas. Lindsay, please, please join us here at the dais.

Hello. So, we're not using temporary. Oh, yeah.

If there are things whose state does not change. Really? Yeah.

In reality, in the world, okay. If you just pay attention to the bolded part, how could things ever change to anything else? And then he fills in words.

How could, and that's adverbial, right? How could things through their own nature, through their own nature, how could achieve it turn into a shunna? Yeah, how could a baby turn into a youth?

And then we come home, or anything else. Well, again, I did the, they could not for the Mingyur Gua Tao. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, good. What's the shunni?

Or anything else? Yeah, it doesn't mean or anything else. He said it means.

Or something else. How could a baby turn into anything else? See what I mean?

Like it shouldn't be anything else, or? How could a baby grow into a youth or become old, or? Right, yeah.

How could a baby turn into anything else? Right. That's the shunni.

Okay. That's what I mean here. Maybe I should say, or turn into.

Yeah. Or something else would work better. Yeah, how could?

Yeah, how the heck? That's funny. Yeah, then you got to, Teresuk is difficult.

Oh, yeah. How does it feel to you? Those temporary things are also.

We don't use it very often, but it's important. I kind of changed it. Talk about Teresuk got the whole thing together.

That's not bad, because it is often together. As permanently or something, or? Yeah, that's okay.

That's good. Permanently unchanging, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, oftentimes Teresuk implies perm. Uh-huh. Okay.

Just so you know. Uh-huh. Okay.

Unchanging, stable or something. Okay. All right.

Who's going to be next? Wait, Lindsay's trying to get ready. I think Lindsay.

Okay, the first four words here means, because they are worried about being attacked. Uh-huh. You see what I mean?

Uh-huh. Trying to avoid this inconsistency, okay? Uh-huh.

So they realize that the criticism is well-founded. Uh-huh. So they're afraid of it.

So they're getting nervous about the objection we raised, and therefore they change their story slightly. So usually Ngepa Dejigbe precedes a change or an adjustment of position by the other debater. Oh, okay.

He's getting nervous. So he changes his story slightly, or he adds or he subtracts something. Ngepa Dejigbe, out of his fear of being wrong.

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Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Ngepa him his problems. Because he recognizes those problems, he changes his story. Oh.

There does exist... Yeah, okay. Yeah.

Yep, good. Yeah.

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Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
So Ngepa Dejigbe means like, oh, oh, I mean, uh... He sees the trap ahead and he wants to sidestep it. That's a common expression.

Sounds useful. I think I do that a lot. And every debater is in that situation many times a week.

They see they've made a mistake. They see in three chess moves they're going to be checkmated, so they change their story. Doodle.

Okay, and then do you want to take the plane back after that? You sure? Yeah.

All right. Dodo only had a short one, so would you like to go again, Dodo? Yeah.

He looks bored, like, you know, you didn't get to... Just serious. Yes, I'm serious.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, nice.

Nice reading. The chung na at the end is an expression we haven't had yet in our classes. And it's not totally unusual.

This comes up fairly often. And it means... I'll give you an option.

So, chung means number, right? Like, chung chen is... Numerous.

Numerous, yeah. So, this chung means... I'll give you two choices.

I'll give you a number, okay? So, it's an ancient, ancient form at the end of a phrase. It comes at the end of the phrase.

So, I'll give you a choice. I'll give you two bad choices, actually. So, would you translate that as kind of...

Could you translate that as like, well, if that were the case, then which of these two... Good, yeah. If that were the case, then which of these two options would you say it was?

Okay. And suppose... Usually, they're both wrong.

Okay. Okay. duk chen ta la ne kap kha chik yi tarpa khen nam pa tar chok chik nang So, is it that those atomic particles are unchanging, but sometimes they're not?

But ne kap, some of their phases are in some of their states. So, in general, the atomic particle is unchanging. But in some states, it becomes changing.

So, are you saying part of the atom can change? Part of an unchanging atom can change. Is that what you're saying?

Mm-hmm. chok chik gang na de chak chik sepa gyurwa And that single part which is changeable, would in time sep... Yeah, disappear.

Yeah, it would wear out or something like that. Mm-hmm. Is that what you're saying?

Dham, here's the choice. Right. Okay, dham means all or are you saying...

All the parts... Yeah, same. ...disappear. So, are you saying that atomic particles can act impermanent sometimes? Maybe. Well, is it that all the parts of them change at the same moment? Or is it that one of all the parts of them changes at a moment?

And that makes the whole changing. Is the whole atom changing, some part of it changes sometimes? Or is the whole atom changing because all the parts of it change sometimes?

Tell me which one. Yeah. Does it, is this, this first line here, is that like the sentiment?

I mean, I'll restate it in a way that's more clear. But is it saying like if somebody who thinks that unchanging things do change, because they say... Yeah, so you've already said that atoms are unchanging.

Okay. But you say under certain circumstances they can change. In general atoms are unchanging, but in certain states they change.

Okay. Oh, in certain states they change. Or at certain occasions.

NACOPs. In certain instances. Are you saying, so you're saying NACOP here is like, you're saying that there's occasions of permanent...

Impermanent. No, the talk, this talk. Yeah, unchanging atoms.

There are occasions of unchanging atoms where they're... Unchanging atoms are in the mood to change ones. Yeah, mitakpa.

That's the... Okay. Yeah.

Sorry, I just want to break this one down because I remember... So are you saying that one part of the unchanging atom likes to change sometimes? Chirp, cheep.

Yeah. Or are you suggesting that all the parts of the unchanging atom change sometimes? Cool.

Okay. Yeah, I got that. But it's this old trick of giving someone two bad choices.

Because either way he goes, he's in trouble. Are all atoms unchanging? Yes.

So do unchanging atoms have cases or situations or states where part of them do change? Or are you saying they always have states where they change? Because either one he says yes to, he's in trouble.

Okay. Does your unchanging atom... Is a piece of it changing sometimes?

Or does all of the pieces change sometimes? Tell me which. Tongue.

Tongue. Tell me which one. If he's smart, he'll say, well, I didn't say either one.

Okay. I never said any part of it changed. I never said that it all changed.

I'm the guy who said it didn't change. But let's see if he falls for it. All right.

Here we go. I've got a little cat. You want to read?

She might be busy.

[Говорящий 2]
I am. Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, you changed the bed. Okay. We've got an echo over here.

Gibson. And Gibson is here too. If you want to call on him.

Oh, that's me. Yeah. Oh, I see.

Oh, I'm reading. Thank you. Now you have to imagine an atom.

How did I do? You did very well. Not bad.

Atom. And when it decides to change states, okay? When an atom decides to change states, does the whole atom change state at the same moment?

Or does the edge of the atom start to change and the rear end catches up later? Right. See what I mean?

So you got to imagine an atom like a baseball. And then one side of it starts to change, but the rest of it doesn't change. Is that what you're saying?

Or somehow does the whole baseball change at the same moment? When an atom changes, okay? Your atom, your partner's atom, your unchanging atom, now it's behaving differently.

It's starting to change. It hasn't changed completely. It's starting to change.

Is there a part of it which is changing? And is there a part of it which hasn't caught up yet? Or does the whole thing change at once?

We're asking him, okay? DE SNGAP PA NYID GANG RIG PA DANG BRTEN PA MED PA THAO Either way you put it, it's wrong. Part of it's changing, part of it's not changing.

Or the whole thing's changing. Either way, you are illogical. Yeah.

That's just a way to keep people awake. BRTEN PA MED PA THAO Does he make a statement like things would be broken apart? Because- We're about to get there.

Oh, okay, cool. So if you say that the atom changes gradually, the edge changes first, and then the body changes, and then the back end changes much later. You ask a scientist, does the whole atom change at the same instant?

Or does the front end start to change and the back end's waiting? Which way is it? By the way, it doesn't make sense for a scientist either.

And they'll have to say something silly either way. If the whole thing changed in one moment, then it could change any time, and then its relationship with other things would have to change or not. So anyway, either way you do it.

GNYIS GA'ANG Because the last word was, in the last paragraph, without looking. Oh. Oh.

BYANG NA BYANG NA Tell me which. And then he says, and then we say, and by the way, either answer you give is wrong. Either answer you give is illogical.

RIG PA DANG LDAN PO'I MA YID Because are you trying to suggest that those entities, the front half, meaning the front half of it, CHE means half. And then KYO is an ancient word for broken ceramic. When you find shard, it's shard.

Shards of pottery around here. You go to one of the ancient, on the Southeast side around here, there's one on the road to the cafe. And there's a KYOMO.

KYOMO means you find shards, pieces of old ancient pottery. Or REL means ripped in the sense of cloth. So either find pieces of, I don't know what your atom is like.

If your atom is like cloth, I guess you just tore off one edge. Or if your atom is like a clay pot, in which you broke off one piece of your pot. Okay, we're trying to imagine what his part is like.

The front part that changed before the rest of it changed. Okay. SOGSUB GYURWA.

So your unchanging particle would have to have had a bite taken out of it. Okay, and changed. And then the rest didn't change.

Is the SOGSUB GYURWA just like something like that? Like it'd be like ripped or broken or something? Yeah, I mean, as if it were pottery, or as if it were a length of cloth.

GYURWA. And then CHE means the other half. GNAR GYI DE NYID MED.

All right, it would just be staying there? Yeah, it would remain there the way it was before. Okay.

Here's DE NYID, which is THAG PA, which is suchness used in a colloquial way. That very thing. Yeah, you're saying the front half changes and the back half just changes.

It just stays the way it was. You know, DE NYID, as it was. And NYID stays.

In that case, you'd have two opposing parts of the single atom. One will have changed, and then the back end didn't catch up yet. Okay, is that what you want?

Okay. And in that case, you would have MENDZAWA NYID, two different parts to the atom. One that was changing and one that wasn't changing.

And the one that was changing kind of broke off from the rest, or is distinct from the rest, okay? But we never see this kind of thing. There aren't things where...

There's no such thing. Front end of the atom... The front end of the atom changed, and the back...

The bottom of the atom didn't catch up. Okay? All right.

It doesn't make sense. Therefore, either the whole atom doesn't change state, or it does change state. Somebody's trying to remotely control my screen.

Stop it. I don't know. If there's a reason I'm supposed to let you, go ahead.

Okay, so by the way, they just picked on the CHIRAPA. Uh-huh, the VAISHISHIKA. The VAISHISHIKA.

Detailer. And now we're gonna... By the way, they usually get picked on together.

The VAISHISHIKAS and the VAISHINILATES. They have different viewpoints, but they usually... I don't know if they want to, but they get dumped into the same boxwire incorrectly.

They always get traded together, as being the two idiots in the car. Okay. We're gonna move on to the JARNCHENPAS soon.

Yeah. As well. And some other...

Yeah. By the way, I think there's a social question. Because I'm translating SONGKRAPA nowadays, and he does the same thing.

You have to appreciate that even in SONGKRAPA's time, or GELSOPJ, his students' time, these schools were gone for a thousand years by the time he's criticizing them. And I wonder if there's not a social reason to do that, you know? It's like reporting Old Testament or something in a Christian church or something.

Like, it's already gone. No one's gonna get upset, you know? And I wonder why they...

Or is it that they're just picking on a classical bad idea? You see what I mean? Because there's nobody in these two schools for a thousand years by the time we're criticizing them.

Okay? They are just... You know what we call them?

Perfect stooges. Yeah, straw, straw, straw. We call them generic stooges.

Okay. But isn't it kind of like that he's trying to... It's to pick at wrong ideas that his own students might be having, or that we're probably having.

But I think there's a social reason behind not criticizing someone who's alive. Yeah, yeah. Or students in front of him.

It's political. Oh, there's these old guys who said that. He doesn't say, you're probably thinking the same thing.

But it's implied. All right. So we're going to pick on the Vaishnavites.

So-called because they follow Vishnu. And we mixed nuts when we did our team classes, had a discussion about whether the Vaishnavites was an adequate translation. I just remember it from my social studies textbook when I was in my ninth grade or something.

By the way, I rely heavily on Ben Sedanta text. When I translate stuff like this, I direct the reader to Ben's Sedanta text, because it has an excellent presentation of all these schools. And I do that all the time, constantly.

And it just saves a lot of time and work, because you don't have to write a separate thing. You say, go look at Ben's text number five, page 500. It's there.

And it's there in great detail. Oh, yeah. So as we grow and as we continue as mixed nuts, we can keep cross-referencing each other and save the readers a lot of time.

OK.

[Говорящий 2]
In which case, we would call them the universalists.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Unitarians? Almost.

[Говорящий 2]
No, they're still alive. We can't talk about them.

[Говорящий 1]
OK. So this one is pretty straightforward. I think here's another verse.

Let's stop here, because it's sexy, I think. By the way, so the 10-year collection of commentaries to the sutras and tantras has 3,700 separate titles in it. And we have, long, long ago, we got a hold of an original carving.

Through great, it was a kind of a, what do you call it? It would be a good movie. It was an adventure.

It was a real adventure, which I have never told anyone all the details. But we got 210,000 pages of the original carving. Some.

Wow. And it was a great adventure story. And we input it.

And we finished around 2000. No, finished around 2005, something like that. We finished the Derge edition.

And there are other editions. And they are extremely valuable. Because if there's something missing in one edition, you can go check the other edition.

But that means someone has to type in 210,000 pages again. And we do it five times. We type every page in five times for accuracy.

And then we compare it automatically. So, that's a million pages. Somebody has to type a million pages, okay?

And so we did get a hold of another tenure, which is called Nantang. Nantang is a printery in South Central Himalayas that was destroyed to the last brick. The paintings of King Indra of the teachings came from there.

And they were all destroyed. All the blocks were destroyed. And everything.

And so we found a copy, existing copy. And I think there's one in Columbia, actually. Probably not.

In a closet. That's another story. So, recently, Nick and Ben, under their direction, have finished the second typing of the 210,000 pages.

Okay? Like a few weeks ago. It took many years.

And so that team of typers have finished another edition of the tenure of 210,000 pages in the last few weeks. And in my opinion, we should give them some kind of a bonus. Not us, the typists.

Yeah, no, not the mixed types. So I would like to propose that Nick and Ben, and I'll help, I think we could get a grant for a bonus for these guys. It probably took about seven, eight years.

And they just type all day. They don't have milestones. I mean, the minute they finish one book, that crazy Sunim hands them another book.

And it's kind of like, they must feel like they never have any milestones. So I think if we could have like a fundraising party or something. And I'm willing to throw in, I'm willing to try to get 5,000 houses.

And then let's see how we do it. I'll ask Ben and Nick to think about it. And then we can consult with their manager and see what's the nice, what would they like?

They might prefer a tuk-tuk. What's a tuk-tuk?

[Говорящий 2]
A very young rickshaw.

[Говорящий 1]
Golf cart with three wheels. So don't turn into a scooter. It's big in that area.

Doesn't use much gas. Something like that. Something special.

I propose. So anyway, Nick and me hit this verse and half of it was missed. So what did we do?

Went to the other carving. We went to the new typing though. They finished like a few weeks ago.

And it's so sexy that it saved us. We just got to this verse and it was missing. Half the verse was missing in the Dergih edition.

And we found it in the Nartan edition. It's really exciting. To me, it's super exciting.

We didn't have this a month ago. And after eight years, I think it's cool. And so as backup work, we are now embarking on the Dergih Kangir.

Yeah, so what we do is we have philosophical works that we throw at them constantly. Sometimes we're busy or something. And we say, go to the backup work.

And we give them a collection of 200,000 pages. So when you don't have anything to do, go work on them. So next thing, we just set them up with another 100,000 page collection that they can do in their spirit.

Okay, to keep the workflow going. So here it is. It's exciting.

And by the way, it corrects an error in the original. There's a word here which is an error. And it's an important error.

We'll see it. The ga. Yeah, the ga.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, that's good.

[Говорящий 1]
Do you want to go to the commentary? Let's go to the commentary. Who's going to read?

By the way, I'm going to interrupt and say in five minutes, right? Am I right? Yes.

We will go to a 15-minute session led by Nick where you guys get to talk about how you might use this information in your real life. And that's something we do every day that we have Mixed Nuts translation. We do that for 15 minutes.

And then we have the most handsome guy in the room, which is Juan Paso, will do the Peachtree News. Which is, by the way, that show is getting better and better and better. I'm really grateful.

And I never knew what the heck was going on with all our organizations. I didn't even know if they still existed. And he gives us the update every twice a week.

It's really, really helpful and really important. Because then you can hear about programs that you didn't know about. You can go and you can learn something.

Okay, who's going to read, Nick? Peiling, you want to read? Okay.

rang sim dang na kep la dakpe ye ba de dak me dol se na Weird. gyelwa ko wang chak gyi khyam jik We were like, does that mean our Vishnu? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, our god. Okay, we got a god.

And our god is Thogta Mip. Uh-huh. He's unchanging.

He doesn't have... He's beginningless. He neither begins nor ends.

Yeah, he has no front end and no back end. Yeah. Therefore, you get out of the broken pottery question.

I think he's addressing that.

[Говорящий 2]
Mm-hmm.

[Говорящий 1]
It's like... ...debut dakpa. I don't know why they put nyingpa here.

Oh, it's because it's in the root text. And I said ancient unchanging being? Yeah, and he only adds it.

It's out of place here. It doesn't fit the flow of the thought. Nyingpa.

But it's in the root text. And he's gonna add it to the next paragraph. So he's just trying to anticipate that he's gonna bring up a word, an odd word in an odd place.

Apologies that I didn't go back in bold. Yeah. I'll do that next time.

And what Gyeltsabje is saying in the verse, the Vaishnavite representative is not gonna say that his god is unchanging. Dakpa. He's gonna say he's nyingpa.

Ancient. Ancient beyond all time. Beginning.

Ancient beyond time. So then Gyeltsabje adds the word dakpa, meaning he was always around and he never changed. But nyingpa is out of place here.

And you feel it if you're sensitive to the translation. And he has added it because it's in the root text in the next paragraph. Nyingpa nyingpe.

Therefore, what, Rangchen? Rangchen thang ne ka la dakpe ngepa te dag me. So we don't have these problems where we have to examine whether he's changing or momentary or whether he has any nature of his own.

Rangchen.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
There's none of these problems that apply to his basic overall nature or to the states he might see. Okay. Okay.

His clumpy nature or his piecework changes. Yet the problems you raise are irrelevant to our guy because he's been there since no time. Okay.

Time without beginning. That buttocks is interesting. What would you like to say about it?

Well, what if it didn't have an R? Then it would be imputing or like... Yeah, like you've made up some problems, but we don't accept them.

But here it has an R. So investigating. Yeah.

Yeah, problems when you examine whether he is a primal nature or whether he has states. Okay. States meaning changing states.

So this Rangchen is not necessarily like nature of his own, but more general. Yeah. I mean, it's the same in Yoga's own nature.

It's like he's called... It's the ancient nature of something. Prakriti?

Prakriti, yeah. So it's not so much his qualities. It's his ancient nature.

Okay. His unprimordial nature. So we're going to have to stop there.

Let me mark that we are... Oh, here, let me give you... Oh, no, I'm okay.

I'm going to mark it on my text where we stopped. Thanks for bearing with what we worked on. Oh, no, it was very nice.

I'm sorry you had to work on it. Oh, I'm glad we have this. It was a hard section for us to struggle with, but I'm glad we had the chance.

Okay. So where is the... Yeah, there we go.

Okay, we stopped here. Okay. Okay.

I hope you guys are all thinking about interesting things relating to what the detailers claim and the Vaishnavites. And maybe more interesting and more relevant to our... Thank you, Geshe Michael.

Thank you very much. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just us now.

You guys can say whatever you want. Geshe Michael's not even here. I don't know.

To me, what seems like might be more pertinent to our modern problems or modern lives is whether or not something would change all at once or it changes in parts, in pieces. And is that even possible? I'm not sure.

I haven't thought about this and how I would talk about it. So I'm very open to anybody's thoughts. But it seems to me that...

I don't know, we have things in our life that we wish would change sometimes. Occasionally, it seems being humans. And maybe it's worth us considering how is that going to change?

And when it does, do we imagine and do we envision that it's all going to flip over all at once? Or is it going to kind of... Are our problems, our pain going to disintegrate in pieces or good things that we're experiencing, which are going to change?

Somebody was going to say something interesting. It did, may have been. I thought it sounded like you, but then I was like, no, I kid.

And you guys are welcome to chime in and come on up.

[Говорящий 2]
Nick?

[Говорящий 1]
Yes?

[Говорящий 2]
Yes, I hear you. Hi. Hi.

So it seems to me that we think things generally change over time slowly, right? We have that perception. And yet, if we think about it, every time something changes, the whole thing changes.

Everything's affected, right? It's not just a slow progression because every moment changes the whole. Although we, or at least I have that perception that it's changing over time.

Like take, you know, I've been working on losing weight and there seems to be a continuum there and that it changes slowly. But even the first ounce that I lose changes the whole.

[Говорящий 1]
That's true. You're a different Gelsai with less ounces.

[Говорящий 2]
Less pounds, yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
It's funny, though. I think about Amelie because I have a daughter who's young and she's growing. And some mornings we wake up and I'm like, oh, you grew last night.

You know, like, what are you doing? You know, like slow down. Yeah, I think just her toe or I don't know.

Yeah, it seems like, yeah, does she grow? Actually, I wonder that even from a scientific perspective. Is it her legs or does her whole body get bigger all at once?

[Говорящий 2]
But even if her legs grow, it affects her whole body.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, that's a good point, what you're making.

[Говорящий 2]
Again, I think, you know, it's not the lower school, but it's our perception of it and how we think about it.

[Говорящий 1]
If my stomach grows, am I a different Nick?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, then you were before it grew. Yeah, you are.

[Говорящий 1]
If my teacher is somehow outside of me, am I closer to my teacher if my stomach grows?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, maybe. That's all.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I think it's really interesting to consider.

You know, when some small amount of something changes, are you to what extent are we ever still dealing with the same thing that that we would just like? I just now before this class, I had to go to my yoga studio that I used, that I started and helped build. And it's the first time I've been in there in years.

And it was really actually very difficult. But it was one thing that was beautiful for me in this was to see that it was almost the same as when we walked away from it all those years ago. Didn't change.

But it has changed, you know, so is it for whom is it? Like, for me, it's different. It's not my yoga studio anymore.

And maybe for some of the students, they are just having a continual experience of just having this place, which made me feel really happy that there was something that I, I mean, something that I worked on that is still there for them, maybe in a continuum of sorts. So what does it mean for something to stay the same over time?

[Говорящий 2]
Can something stay the same over time?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, well, I guess if you I think if you ask somebody like, I don't know, Nagarjuna, then what would it mean for what does staying the same over time even mean? Like, what would staying even mean? And the way that I was thinking about it just now is like, well, in the case of my yoga studio, it just depends who you're asking and what's their perspective.

And they're like, oh, yeah, that's that's that's where I practice. That's my studio. And that's where I go.

And it's just still there and it's still going and it's still awesome. So in a way, it stayed the same in the sense that it's been there. So, I don't know.

It's just it's all a matter of perspective and it's all a story coming from our minds, as Nagarjuna so eloquently points out to us over and over again, that maybe it's as illogical to say something changes as it is to say that it's to say that it stays the same. Both are illogical if you think it's changing from its side, as he points out again, because it's it's all the story. It's it's something is only something based on our label.

Whether it's a you want to call it changing or not. Would you like to share something? Yes.

Come on up. Nice. Keshe Michael warmed up the chair for you.

What's your name? Irina is going to share it. Nice to meet you, Irina.

[Говорящий 2]
Hi everyone. Yeah, we live in a constantly changing world. The only thing or to remain unchanging according to our teaching is space, right?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
And what helped me to accept all everyday changes? It's everything to keep my mind flexible to accept all those changes.

[Говорящий 1]
That's it. Thank you. I also find that helpful when possible.

Okay, we have some more minutes. I saw some half hands raised here in the room. Did somebody almost want to share their feelings or thoughts or both?

Please come on up, Aristotle. I was just thinking about how like, we're always trying to solve things faster now. Things are we don't have as much time.

So and then we have done the teachings and we're always trying to see if I mean, we would be practical to see if we could apply that to help us solve the problems. I'm trying to learn these songs on the piano. And then I keep thinking like, you know, maybe I'm not doing it in a logical way, according to the teachings.

And so I think what Nick was saying about questioning like, is the object, are we talking about an object changing? Or are we talking about our perception changing? And there might be different, you know, approaches, depending on what you're looking at, if you're looking at an object never changing.

But if your perception starts changing, then the object maybe starts to change anyways, like you're, you know, the studio. Yeah. So then, to me, it feels like no stupid questions or something like, you have these schools that are sort of non Buddhist schools.

And they're asking these questions about, you know, they have this kind of supposedly stupid idea about how things work. And then you have the Buddhist schools, which are like lower schools. And then they also have supposedly stupid ideas about how something that doesn't exist, they think it does exist.

And I think that all these different bad questions, there's no bad questions, like every different angle that we can get to examine the question of how something actually could ever change. But for me, the interesting thing is that our perceptions can change. And then that seems more hopeful.

Totally. I was thinking that too. That guy just plays a piano.

I guess he does some philosophy on the side. Because it's you too. Yeah.

No, that's right. The guitar player can just kind of like fill in. Especially if you have a good piano player there.

Give a couple more minutes before Juan takes over. He's. Yes.

Ah, yes. Good. Professor Sugeng is coming.

Yeah. Listening to all the conversation, including the last one from Mananapal, a lot of time I just go into this kind of state of mind when I am thinking a lot, especially when I'm enjoying something. And then I start to think, yeah, I'm looking at this something enjoyable, but what would other beings see this thing?

And then suddenly I feel that, wow, I'm so lucky. And I'm so fortunate having this enjoyable thing or having a beautiful view scenery. So a lot of time.

And on the other hand, I start to think again, what happened to those people who don't understand all these ideas? They think that all those things are coming from their own side and they stick to their kind of thinking. What would all those things become?

What would they go to at the end? And then suddenly the feeling of gratitude will come. And then, yeah, I'm so lucky.

I'm so fortunate we have this teaching, all of you together. Yeah. Thank you for sharing.

It all does come down to gratitude in the end. We're lucky. Thank you.

All right. Well, thank you. Grateful for you.

Grateful for you all here. Thanks, guys and gals and friends. And may we be grateful for the things in our lives while they last.

And and while they're changing, too. And I also feel grateful for the changing nature of many things. So thank you, everybody.

And we're going to do the news with Mr. Juan Hasso. And then we will have class with Professor Sugeng here. So stay tuned.

Thank you. You want to use my computer? Thank you.

Yeah, I'll use. I'll take mine away. Thanks, dude.

You can un-spotlight me somewhere. There? OK.

OK. So, yeah. Thank you, Nick.

You want to do the news with me?

[Говорящий 2]
Or are you going to go to the bathroom?

[Говорящий 1]
No, no, I have to go to the bathroom. I think, I don't know. This is good today, no?

Or you want bathroom? But anyways, no, no, no. I actually feel shy to be interrupting your break.

So please don't mind. It's very fun to me to realize that today I actually met our real competition. Finally, you know, I was looking like, because P3 World News, you know, it's like a place for spending time together and making friends and collaboration.

But today I meet the competition. And I was worried because it's the actual people we have to compete with. And I want to thank them a lot.

What is that? Snack and refreshments bar? It is.

It really is the competition. So thank you, Nicole Bignat. Thank you, Ron.

Thank you. I saw Dinara also. And I saw Percy's doing with all the refreshments.

So thanks a lot for taking care of us. I was joking with Kitty that the snacks are endless, limitless, infinite. And it's true.

Keep coming and keep coming. So yeah, please. So number one, thank you for doing that.

And number two, if anyone here in the room wants, yeah, please go. I will go if I could. But I have to be here.

Yeah. No, it's OK. It's OK.

But really great job with the refreshments and the snacks. Amazing. Yeah.

So today we have a few things going on. Just going to review a little bit about them. We're going to review some events that are happening.

And then we have a great opportunity to be here in the room together with Sugeng. And then we're going to be hearing from the Latin America tour that it's about to have events in Argentina. So that's the order of the day, if that makes sense in English.

OK. So let's review the upcoming events that are happening. Next Thursday and Friday, DSCU is having their sessions here in Sedona.

Very, very cool. Very, very exciting event. I had the great chance to arrive last night to Arizona.

And I am already seeing some of the preparations, surprise preparations DSCU is planning for the 26th and the 27th of September. I think people are really going to enjoy it. Thank you so much for the hospitality.

Thank you so much for what you're doing. Very exciting. You can sign up following the QR codes.

Yeah. Either in Asia, it's going to be the 27th, 28th. In the western part of the world, 26th, 27th.

Then in a few more weeks, Diamond Mountain is happening. I have mentioned this before, but just a review. It's a pre-retreat happening from the 6th to the 11th.

And then the 11th to the 20th, Geshe Michael is going to be teaching these amazing practices on emptiness and how to keep living healthy and happy for a long, long time. And then on November, Hatha Yoga Pradipika is happening. So that's October.

Then November, Hatha Yoga Pradipika. A lot of people are coming. They told me it seems that it's going to be very exciting.

Very cool. We are getting emails if you're planning to come. You still have a chance, but catch up quickly because the spots are running out very, very quickly.

Otherwise, you're going to have to do it online, which is great too, but life is amazing. And then December, Kyoto, of course. It's happening from the 1st to the 7th in Japan.

Geshe Michael is going to be teaching there something like the last chapter on the steps of Nepal. Later, we will have more teachings. Don't worry.

Don't cry. But this is going to be special. If you can make it, come.

It's going to be great. And in this regard, we have a very special event happening kind of together with this event in Kyoto, which is the Sedona College Academic. What's the name?

But it stands for Sedona College Alumni Association. And for that, we want to welcome our friend Sugen. And he's going to tell us a little bit of how it's going to work this year.

So here we are. Thank you so much. Here you can watch this and whenever you want, just take table notes about the presentation.

So basically, this year is our second year doing the Sky event. And last year was exciting. This year is going to be even more exciting.

We are doing it together with the Spark of Joy event. So we would like to encourage everybody to attend the Spark of Joy event. And if you happen to have attended SCIM before, then there is an additional track for you.

So first register for the Spark of Joy and then come for the... And then if you are alumnus, come to our Sky event. We will have special events.

We will have special programs, right? So we have the main programs and then we have the additional programs. Now, this additional program, we have a series of teaching by Professor John Brady.

We call it Unlocking the Deeper Life Tool. Unlocking the Deeper Life Tool. And because of the content, the nature of the content is a very special content.

We are not going to broadcast at all. Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
It's only live. Only live. Wow.

[Говорящий 1]
Only live. How many days? What are going to be the dates?

It is running. So if the Spark of Joy is from 1st to 7th, we will also run from 1st to 7th. Ah, so it's simultaneous.

[Говорящий 2]
Simultaneously.

[Говорящий 1]
But if you come, we will guarantee that you can attend all. There will not be any overlapping, right? So Professor JB will run a teaching series called Unlocking the Deeper Life Tool.

And that will happen for five days. For five days. And this series is going to start this year and we will continue every year.

Amazing. So maybe it's a good time to show the other picture, please. Yeah.

So there are two QR code here. One for China and one for rest of the world. So as of now, because of our additional event programs, we are limited to 100 people.

So please register early. And then on top of that, we would like to also promote this beautiful hotel. We are going to do in Ace Hotel.

It is an international hotel, a beautiful hotel.

[Говорящий 2]
I've been there.

[Говорящий 1]
It's very beautiful.

[Говорящий 2]
It's beautiful, right?

[Говорящий 1]
So please book quickly and indicate that you are going to come to stay in the hotel. So the two events, the Steps on the Path and also the Sparks of Joy and the Sedona College Alumni Association are happening at the same time, at the same hotel. At the same time, at the same venue.

So you should stay in that hotel so that you can enjoy the whole program fully. Of course. No overlap.

You can attend everything. That sounds amazing. I think it's going to be a great party time there.

[Говорящий 2]
I'm very excited already.

[Говорящий 1]
You know, beside the teaching series, we have cultural programs. Yeah. And the cultural programs are exciting.

And of course, the last day we have a special lecture, special teaching by Geshe Michael and Marie Kondo. Oh, wow.

[Говорящий 2]
So that is the highlight too.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. She's super famous on Netflix, right? And in the world in general.

Oh, yeah. All of us famous. Everybody's famous.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
So we really, really look forward to this limited to 100 packs. Please register quickly.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
And then let's enjoy the full learning and teaching.

[Говорящий 2]
Amazing.

[Говорящий 1]
And the fun in Kyoto. Thank you very much again. And what we are going to do, if you agree, is like time to time, from now to then, I'm going to keep reminding people and keep showing this QR code.

Yes, please. And we hope to see you there. It's going to be great.

I've seen the hotel. It's amazing. Plus, we have all these amazing things happening at the same time.

Good combination. Yeah. Good cocktail.

The hotel is going to be fully booked quickly. So please, please, please register early.

[Говорящий 2]
Very well. Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you, Sugeng. Thank you very much. And good to see you again live here in Sedona.

So there you go. Now, you know, and you will keep hearing about it. We're going to help with that.

What can I say? Kyoto is a beautiful place. If you have the chance, really try to go.

It's really, really worth it. Very beautiful. And plus the content and the activities are going to be very meaningful this December.

So if you can do it, see you there. And in another news for the last five minutes, before we start with the next class, we're going to go all the way to Argentina, where one of our friends are living these days. And they're about to have, in the sense of the Latin America tour that some of the Mexican teachers are doing, some events about to happen in the next weeks, in the next few weeks.

I would like to ask Tech Table if they can help us to guess. I was trying to see if Paulina could connect. And there she is.

How are you doing, Paulina?

[Говорящий 2]
Good. Thank you, Juan. Good to see you.

[Говорящий 1]
Glad to see you as well. Hey, tell us a little bit, two things. For those who you don't know, maybe it's a good time to mention.

She's living right now in Cordoba, in the area where mountains are. But there was big fires happening in the last few days. And you and your family, Pachi, Shanti, you have to be moved, evacuated.

But now you're safe. What are you now?

[Говорящий 2]
We're back home. Everything is fine. Don't worry, guys.

Basically, yes, it's a very dry season. So we need water here. We need rain to fall and help us with the fire.

But everything is good. So don't worry. Thank you for asking, Juan.

[Говорящий 1]
Glad to hear. And I guess it's so good that you're about to start some events in Buenos Aires. Is that correct?

[Говорящий 2]
Correct. Yes. This event, it starts next weekend.

So we are super excited.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay. Can you tell us a little bit what is it going to be about? How many events?

Is it three or four? Four.

[Говорящий 2]
Four events. And yes, if you have a friend or a family here in Argentina, please let them know about all these upcoming events. Or even if you want to come, we would love to see you.

And yeah. So let me tell you a little bit about it. And first of all, I want to thank one more time the sponsors for making this tour possible for a second year.

Thank you. Thank you so much. And for allowing us to bring Asian wisdom to new audiences across Latin America.

So thank you so much. And yeah, you know, Juan, it's been great. Because we are really happy.

Because we've been working with many local friends here in Argentina. As students of Geisha Michaels since many years ago. So they are helping us to make these events possible.

And each event has its own unique flavor, you know. So just a big thank you also to all their support. And this picture here represents what I think is our main event.

You know, Flavia had the idea to host a half day retreat right in the middle of the city. Because sometimes people can't take many days off. So is this like half day retreat, people will be able to renew their energy and learn this wisdom, which will be incredibly helpful in their lives.

And yes, we have had a great response with a lot of registrations. And I think it's a great way to innovate and offer something for those who can't commit to long events.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, so this first event is happening October the 5th, Saturday. October, yeah, Saturday, October the 5th. It's, I can see it's about six or seven hours.

And it's all about, what is it going to be about? Is it going to be about the basic foundation teachings on how to meditate?

[Говорящий 2]
And the main foundation teachings about how reality works, how to put all this wisdom on, yeah, to work for, to reach your goals. And we will add yoga, meditation, and, you know, like, nice breakfast for everyone. I think it's going to be really cool.

[Говорящий 1]
Amazing. So that's Saturday, 5th. And then what's the next event?

[Говорящий 2]
The next event is a public talk. At a well-known bookstore in Buenos Aires, in the middle of the city. And we will have two hours to share how to apply all this ancient wisdom to modern life.

So I think it's going to be a really, really impactful event.

[Говорящий 1]
And who's doing that conference? Who's speaking the conference?

[Говорящий 2]
Well, I'm teaching, I'm sharing. I'm sharing the teachings. And also one student of Geshe Michael here in Argentina, who is a very well-known student and psychologist.

And I think it's going to be a really interesting talk. Because he really can explain these teachings in a very modern way, you know.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, cool. I just noticed we are almost out of time. Maybe you want, in one more minute, just finish the other two events.

[Говорящий 2]
Sure. So the next one is this event. It's very special because Laura Valiente is a student of Geshe Michael, who wrote a book called Ofrenda, Offering.

So it's an offering to her teachers where she shares her life story. And how she used 10 ancient wisdom principles to build a very successful project. So this event will be the launch of her book.

And finally, we will have an open talk focused on giving people the tools to plant their dreams and reach their goals or whatever they want to achieve. So yes, we can't wait to share with all of you very soon the photos and the video of how everything will turn out. So thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Very well. Thank you so much. Let us know.

And best wishes with the Latin America tour. I know after this, Costa Rica is happening and very soon Colombia as well. So we'll stay tuned to hear more soon.

Thank you very much. And we get ready to next class with Dr. Sugeng and Dr. Geshe Michael Roach. Computer.