Ник Лашо — Книга 2: Ратнамала, занятие 29

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Hi, what's up party people? Okay. Hi, Mr. Nick. Let me switch my view here. I am Nick Scott. I'll be your host today.

And your guest. I've been working on my text. Not once.

But twice. For those of you who want to. Around, I think I can.

Oh. Somebody has slow Internet. Is it me or is it.

It's not you. See, I know something. Okay.

Nick, where's your homework? Coming right up. Coming right up.

I was whiting out the answers. One sec. Okay.

Hi. They are freezing on and off there. I see that.

That's a bummer. Who's a. Kramer's a bummer.

You're. The Internet at the house for you guys are seems to be cutting in and out.

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It's not.

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It's waking up. It's. The Internet is waiting.

I've heard that can be an issue. Nick, how can you hear? I can hear you cutting in and out.

Oh, you go ahead and do your thing and we'll try to improve our Internet. Okay. Tell family to call Elon.

All right. Let's try. You guys ready?

All right. Ties on. Okay.

For the guys. Please describe the difference between Utah and Utah. As well as the difference between made and made.

Besides my pronunciation, which may not have any difference, according to. The critiques I have received from Gershwin Michael over the last eight years. Not completely.

It's true. Hang back. Okay, good.

Yeah. Hang back.

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I'm ready in a pinch to attempt.

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Great. Thank you. Does anybody else besides Ben want to take a shot at this?

The difference between Utah and Utah. So we got to a point in the text where I think I attempted to translate this on my own. And believe it or not, I was confused.

About what he was saying. Because I. I just assumed that it meant the same thing.

And they don't. And it's a pretty simple. So don't get tripped up.

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Yeah, that's what you would think.

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That's right. Yeah. I mean, that's it's true.

And can you elaborate?

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Oh, elaborate.

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Maybe. Oh, maybe one is. Is it connected to the difference between misunderstanding and ignorance?

No, but that was a great guess. I mean, that great. It was an OK guess.

Word, were you just about to take a shot? I think I heard your voice. He doesn't take a shot if there's no money.

Ah, well. I'm not in that position. Currently.

But maybe later. All right. All right.

This class goes, please, Ben. Let's see what you got. As I understand it, are extremes.

So Utah means believing in stupid things. You shouldn't. And Meta means failing to believe in smart things.

You should. But Utah versus Meta seems to be believing that things exist, which is accurate. Things do exist.

Things do function, at least at this point in the text, as opposed to Meta, which seems to be an extreme sort of nihilism in which you wouldn't believe in even karma. I've never seen it used that way, but it seemed that that's what was going on in the text. Yeah, good.

Nice. Yeah. You're paying attention to the text.

That's awesome. That's totally it. Utah seems to be a positive thing the way that are in the garden is using it.

And it means that things exist and in a way in which they really do exist, especially karma and its consequences, as you pointed out. And I couldn't see much of a difference between Meta and Meta. So that part is kind of.

Either a trick question or just a tricky distinction that I didn't also understand. So Utah, as Hasso pointed out, is the extreme belief where you think things exist through some nature of their own. And something interesting was with Utah, he went so far as to refer to it as young Takpe Tawa.

What does that mean, Hasso?

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Pure understanding or pure view, let's say.

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Correct view, we usually say. OK, but you got it. And I think that he was using Meta the same way that we generally think of Meta from what I could see, just like this nihilistic view that nothing exists or extreme position that nothing exists.

Moving on. What is the result of having Utah? I'm trying really hard, Geshe Michael.

It's good. I'm happy. It's been a long time coming.

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Morality. You will be a moral person?

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I mean, yeah, that makes sense. That's not the result he gives in the text, but I think that's true. And if you're a moral person, then what might happen?

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Good. You're going to enjoy your day.

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Yeah, I think this is how they have cinnamon rolls. That's the piece. All of these are correct answers.

It's not exactly what he said and it's not off from what he said either. Anyone want to see it directly? Great answer.

Not what he said. Possible. Possibly true.

Paula, what did he say? I know, you know, she usually knows. I'm looking.

Oh, OK. Tim. You should like.

Yeah, good. Stanley said it. Good.

Yeah. Higher rebirths is was what he said. Good.

OK. And if you guys are in the room with Geshe Michael, I might or might not hear you. And I don't know if there's some way to position yourself.

If you're going to answer somehow close. I'll ask him to talk louder. What kind of view does Gyaltsabje suggest we should call it if we thought that karma and its consequences did exist through some nature of their own?

Shindugupa.

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Yeah.

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He gives something specific. And I. Loptham?

Oscar is my only last hope then. He takes notes as good as. Oscar's in studying overseas, I think.

Yeah, he is. Oh, I talked to Yintan a couple of days ago, too. He's good.

He's really excited about all those guys over there. Yeah, I talked to them for like two hours yesterday. Oh, nice.

Cool. All right. Not nice.

You were saying it as I was unhighlighting it. Udpala, right? Yeah.

OK. Zero dollars for Udpala. I mean, because I gave you an extra credit question.

Hmm. Gelsupj refers. I don't remember.

I don't necessarily remember the answer. Let's see. Gelsupj refers to something that is one thing.

That is two things. At the time of the cause. This is why it's extra credit.

OK. At the time of the cause, that is called. Oh, I remember.

It is called non-merit. And at the time of the result, it is called lower rebirths. What is.

It's like a riddle. Hmm. When I say one thing, there's two things.

I just mean he. Separates it into what it is at the time of the cause and what it is at the time of the result. That's all.

So you can just say.

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How about karma?

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Yeah, it's pretty. But yeah, almost. Yeah.

It's it's it's related to that. Dirty karma. It's a particular.

It's a particular belief. Oh, well. At the time of the cause.

If we say that actions and their results don't exist, that's non-merit. Good. And at their result, it's a lower rebirth.

Yeah, that's it. Which is what we call wrong views. Yeah.

But specifically the view that actions and their results don't exist. Great. You nailed it.

Nice work. Nice. Those questions involved Tibetans.

I didn't give you any nice looking Tibetan words because they were built in. You do so. So.

I didn't catch that. But OK. Yes.

So good job, everybody. Thank you for. Thank you for your great answers.

Whoops. I'll stop sharing that last class. You asked me to translate a verse.

I'm going to find it real quick. All right. OK, I got it.

Oh, OK. When I get a person. Denver.

No. There's a. No, no.

I'm making a gun and then no one has taken a gun. Mayday. Yeah, so the first sentence says, ,BUNG PO LHAG MA'I GYI GNAD GANG NA, When we achieve nirvana with no remaining heaps, not only do we stop our tendency to grasp things as being real.

You see what I mean? The LOG means stop. Not only do we stop our tendency to hold things as being real, but even BUNG PO LHAG CHE, even when we still have the heaps, at that point we also have already stopped DENZIN.

Yeah. You see what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I got it, but I thought it was an also, not even. Okay. It is also.

Yeah. We eliminate, yeah, at the point where we no longer have any heaps, we eliminate the tendency to hold things as being real. But also when we still have those heaps, we have also eliminated that same tendency.

Okay, so I think I had it right. There we go. Because GNAS LUGS KYI DON GZHAD PAS, and that's because, he's giving a reason, right?

And that's because when you understand the way that things really are, GNAS LUGS KYI DON GZHAD PAS, you have put to rest. ZHI BA here is a verb. Pacifies the view of this right here?

Yeah, yeah, you could say that. You have put to rest your tendency to see things as existing, and also your tendency to see things as not existing. Okay, DGE MI DGE LAS SDIG PA DANG SON NAMS LAS BDE PA'I YID DE YID NGAN SONG DANG RGYUN RDON LAS GANG ZHAG DE NI THAR PAR DANG PA'I RGYAL BA'I ZHES DO I think you got to catch the RGYAL BA'I ZHES DO.

Oh yeah, isn't that this? It refers to the whole sentence in front of it. In fact, it could refer to the whole paragraph almost, but the victorious ones have mentioned...

by the way, it's RGYAL BA, RGYIN NA, not Bhagavan, okay? The victors. The victors have said, DGE MI DGE LAS SDIG PA DANG SON NAMS LAS BDE PA'I When you have gone beyond...

yeah, virtuous and non-virtuous action, then that person has reached highest DGE NI THAR PAR DANG PA'I The victors have explained that as being the highest form of freedom, right? So the DANG PA here means highest form of freedom, yeah? The victors have explained that as being the highest form of freedom, okay?

Freedom from the lower birth and the higher birth, right? Okay, and it's a very long sentence. It's not fair.

It's a typical Gyaltsab. He must have been in the morning that he wrote that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Can I ask you a quick question? I understand what I missed about the second part. About the first part, yeah, so thank you.

Thank you. I totally, I see what you're saying. But the first part, maybe I misunderstood while you were explaining it, or maybe I misunderstood.

If at the point of achieving liberation where there are no more person, we did not eliminate the tendency, is how I understood MA ZAD. But the MA ZAD is not saying that, right? No, it's not saying that.

Not only... yeah, okay, got it. Not only do we eliminate the tendency to hold things as real at the first stage, but we also eliminate it, we also don't have it at the second stage.

Okay, cool. Yeah, I see, I see, I see. Yeah, the MA, it's clear now.

Okay, I got it. And Nick, frustratingly, he's referring to YOD DA here as something to be put to rest.

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Yeah, he is.

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Yeah, he is. He's, that's true. Ben's correct.

The verb shiwa, which here is a caravan, not a noun, to put to rest rather than peace. To put to rest both your MA ZAD and your YOD DA. Okay?

Yep. To see that things which do exist, don't exist, is put to rest. And to see that things that don't exist, do exist, is put to rest.

Yeah, I got it. I mean, I know, I think we noticed it last time too, and it's kind of, I can feel that it makes sense in this case because he's progressing in his, like he's getting, he's now he's, before he's talking about higher rebirths and stuff, and now he's getting, he's getting more middle way about it, right? Like he's thinking about going beyond things existing at all.

Yeah, and by the way, the shiwa is pretty heavily a pun because he's referring to tarpa. Put to rest is, it means to blow out a fire, to blow out a candle, which is the meaning of nirvana. Nirvan, van came into English as fan, which means to blow.

Wind comes from that. So blow out, nirvan. So he's, he's making a pun here because shiwa means to be blown out also.

Totally. Then in your vast experience, and do you think that there's like puts to rest or pacifies or extinguishes would, in English, would catch that? I like extinguish.

I like extinguish because it means to put out a fire. Yeah. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. I would try to catch that pun. Yeah.

Cool. All right. Thank you.

Here's, I mean, I just kept translating a little bit, so if you want to... Okay, that's fine. LHA GCOD KYI GNAS KHAB NA YANG, LDAN DZIN THA DAG SRED PA'I STOB GYI, YANG SRID PHYI MA NYIN TZAM SBYOR BA'I SKYE BA SRED PA'I DE NYID THAR PA, DE NYID THAR PAR, DOR NA ZIN MO.

LHA GCOD KYI GNAS KHAB NA YANG, This yang means also. Even just at, even just at the point of achieving liberation with something left over, LDAN DZIN THA DAG SRED PA'I STOB GYI, By the power of having eliminated any short of holy unseeing things as if they are real, YANG SRID PHYI MA NYIN TZAM SBYOR BA'I SKYE BA SRED PA, we would eliminate possibly a crossing over into a rebirth into another life. Good.

This is exactly how Sutta explains SRED PA'I DE NYID. That's a great, great translation, the whole sentence. Okay, I think I went on here, but I don't think I tried to tailor the English much.

I just was translating it for my own benefit. You want to work on it, or no? Well, we could, we could, but I...

Let's know that I was, I wasn't being careful to show that stuff to the world. All right, but it was, the translation was good. The second one was quite good.

All right, let's go to work. I'll share my screen, I guess. Oh, Ken, do you, shall I announce to the world that we're going to record my next class?

Yeah, you want to explain that? Sure. Hi, everybody.

After we finish this class, we will do our normal 15-minute discussion of practical applications of the material, and then we will have our usual 15 minutes Peachtree World News broadcast. Then after that, we're going to spend another hour on this text. If you guys would like to stick around, we're going to, it's going to be a pre-recording for, to be aired later in your language.

It may or may not be translated during this time, because we just decided to film it now, and we usually translate at the regular class time. So, but if you would like to stick around and see us work on it today, you're more than welcome to stay. No pressure, and it will be re-aired, I believe, in late February or early March.

We still have to work that out late March. Late March, yeah. We air it in late March.

Okay. Yeah, we have to film an extra class today, because we'll be traveling, we'll be in Kyoto in late March, and this is the only free hour that I have. So we got to do that, okay?

Okay. Mr. Nick, would you like to read this next sentence, please? Sure.

,GSUM PA CHUG KUN THAG CHE GYI THAG THANG, ,BRAL BAR BSTAN PA LA ZHIG, ,SKYES PAR BSHAD PA DANG, ,DE LA BYAS PAR THAL BA'I NYES PA MED PA DANG, ,THANG BRAL SANGS RGYAS KYI THUN MONG MA YIN PAS, ,KHYAD CHOS SU BSTAN PA DANG, ,NGOS PO RANG BZHIN GYI CHUG PA GAG PA'O. Nice, nice pronunciation. So we have reached, you know, typically in a Tibetan text they will say we reached part number three, but they won't remind you what is part number three.

So grandpa always goes and gets you the original list, and I always put it in 16 point type. So we have reached point three from a list that came before. He doesn't repeat what it is.

But let's read that, those big letters, Nick. ,CHUG KUN THAG CHE GYI THAG THANG, ,BRAL BAR BSTAN PA'O, A DEMONSTRATION THAT ALL THINGS ARE FREE FROM THOSE EXTREMES OF EXISTING FOREVER OR BEING CUT OFF, meaning not existing. Nice.

All things in the universe are free of two separate extremes. First, that they could never change and just go on forever without changing. Or secondly, that they could suddenly just blink out, suddenly just stop.

Those are called the two extremes. By the way, they are not viewpoints. That's THA, THA is a viewpoint, right?

THA is an extreme. So THA means, if you hold wrong ideas, then necessarily either everything in the universe never changes, or everything in the universe has blinked out already. So this THA here, which means extreme, anta in Sanskrit, the end, right?

It's to indicate a, what do you call that, an implication of an idea. If you believe that, then you must say that. If you believe that things exist from their own side, then either you're saying that they have stopped completely, or that they would go on forever without changing.

Those are the implications of viewing things as coming from their own side. Okay, so we're going to demonstrate why things are free of those two extremes, which are an implication of seeing things as coming from their own side. Okay, two implications of THA.

Okay, so that's our third part. And by the way, Gyaltsabje is being merciful, and he repeats what part three is. He says, yeah, part three is a demonstration that the world is free, all things in the universe are free, of these two wrong implications, that they could never change, or that they could never have happened at all.

A temporary display of mercy from Gyaltsabje. And that's going to have SHI. That's going to have four parts of its own.

Yeah, first one's really easy, GYEPA SHEPA. An extensive explanation. Yeah, by the way, if we leave it as GYEPA SHEPA, what's it mean?

The wheel, the desire? No, it means to kill everybody. Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't looking at the spelling.

I was thinking GYEPA SHEPA, right. Yeah, sometimes you have to correct the carving, okay? Kill the ocean.

Yeah, kill everybody. It's probably not that. GYEPA SHEPA means expanded explanation.

And then we're going to point out that there is no logical GYEPA. No logical problem. That things what?

What's implied by when things ending. Yeah, there's no logical, there's no logical problem here that everything in the world must have blinked out. GYEPA, just blinked out.

By the way, that's related to the GYEPA in Dorje GYEPA. The cut, diamond cut, right. So GYEPA is a soft, it's the aspirated version of CHA.

And CHA means more passive, you know, things have ended. CHA means I cut. And CHA means things ended.

So the idea that the whole universe must have come to a stop and we didn't notice it is wrong, you know. We don't have this problem, okay. That's the second part.

Yeah, go ahead. All right, quick language question. So THAL BA'I NYE means logical fallacy and then like that little phrase just means logical problem?

Yeah, the logical problem that things should have, THAL BA, GYEPA, come to a complete stop, okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, and you're used to seeing that CHA with the apostrophe in front of it.

Yes. Like 95% of the time it has an apostrophe in front of it. And that means to explain something.

So the apostrophe is important. If the apostrophe is missing, it means to cut something, okay, or to discontinue. That the whole universe must have discontinued, okay.

GYEPA, we're not going to get there for a while. THA DEL SANGS RGYAS KYI THUB MO MA YIN PA'I KHYAD CHOS SU BSTAN PA DANG Going backwards, Nick, we're going to BSTAN PA. We're going to demonstrate that it's a KHYAD CHOS, that it's a feature which is unique.

Yeah, a unique feature of the Buddha, that beings are free of these extremes.

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Nice.

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Yeah, it's a special idea of the Buddha's, or of Buddhism, that the universe is free of these two weird extremes. What are they? A, everything just stops suddenly, or B, nothing ever changed and went on forever the way it is, okay.

Those are two implications of thinking that the pen is coming from its own side, okay. These are two implications of thinking of things the wrong way, okay. Either they must have stopped forever, or they must have gone, go on without changing ever, okay.

BSTAN PA DANG. Well, then the fourth part is DNGOS PO RANG BZHIN GYIS SGRUB PA RGAGS PA, which is? A denial that things exist through any nature of their own.

What's the tricky thing about DNGOS PO here? Well, it could be functioning things, it could be all stuff. Good, yeah, that's it.

The Sanskrit bhava can refer specifically to working things, or it can refer to all existing things. Which one do you smell it refers to here? All existing things.

Yeah, all existing things. Nothing exists through any nature of its own.

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However, it would be tempting to think that it refers to working things because it sets itself up opposite to the idea of saying, look, we're not making a false implication that things somehow stop, but we're also not saying that things really work.

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Yeah, and by the way, if you're typing out a translation, it's good to put a little... I put three percent signs. To me, that means come back to this later when you get to that part and adjust it if you need to.

So leave yourself a little marker in your translation. All right, here we go. The first of these four parts, which is our expanded explanation, or mass killing, it's got four parts to its own.

Go ahead, Nick. You do this paragraph. So the first of these has four parts.

Good. A denial that cause and effects, or causes and their results, exist through any nature of their own. Nice, okay.

Chakpa thangawa pangwa, so giving up fame and contradiction, or something? Yeah, anybody have another suggestion for drakpa here? Conventions.

Yeah, convention. Jigten na drakpa. It means how the world talks normally.

How the world talks about it normally. And we say our explanation of reality about the pen, for example, does not contradict how farmers talk about things. In Nagarjuna, it's often farmers.

Rimrock people. Okay, right, Lindsay? So yeah, this drakpa means convention of the world around us.

So we are not contradicting what the normal world says. They can go ahead and talk the way they talk usually, and everything's fine. The pen can still exist from me.

And freedom comes from realizing the meaning that there's neither of these two? Yeah, non-duality, but we'll see what non-duality means. Yeah, we'll see what it means, okay?

It doesn't mean what most people think it means, okay? Yeah, and in shay je kyipe shep. The metaphor of the knower, or the witness, or something?

This is a standard expression used for a metaphor, and shay je means help you to understand something. Oh, a metaphor to help you understand it, I see. Yeah, so then we're going to give you a common metaphor.

I don't know, they'll talk about pizzas or something, and it's going to help you understand the point. Shay je means it's going to help you understand the point.

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You just dismissed my dinner.

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When we close up, how are the pizzas in Portugal? The ones in Brazil sucked. Oh, yeah, much better than Brazilian, but not phenomenal.

Okay, well, you can always jump on a train and go to Milan and have one, you know. Okay, I'll tell all you guys in the room one thing, though, and being from New York, I'm very snobby about pizza, but I believe the second best pizza in the world is in Arizona. I'm not aware of this fact.

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What?

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Phoenix, there's tons of good, there's a lot of good pizza places in Phoenix. We don't go to the big city that often. My favorite pizza in the village ain't bad, but anyway.

Yeah, that's true. Been good for it. Why don't you cover this last housekeeping line here?

Cool. DANG PO LA NI RGYUN DROD YOD MED KYI THAG THANG BRAL BA THANG RANG BZHIN GYI CHUG PA RGAGS PA'O. So the first of these has two.

RGYUN DROD YOD MED KYI THAG THANG. So, freedom from the extremes of cause and effect existing or not existing. Yeah, the fact of dependence or the fact of ingo, cause and effect, is free of the two extremes of either existing from its own side or not existing at all.

So, rejuvenation itself is free of these two extremes. And RANG BZHIN GYI CHUG PA. I'm sorry.

The second one is still referring to RGYUN DROD. A reputation that those exist through any nature of their own. Yeah, a reputation that cause and effect could exist through any nature of their own.

Right. Okay, now finally we get to the context, okay? Nick, do you want to have someone read the Tibetan?

Sure, let's see who's here. How about Juan, go ahead. He's in the room.

He's here, he's handsome too. Okay, go for it. I mean, relatively.

Can you get in there? I don't know. Yes.

You want to push this back? Yes. Okay, push, yes.

He's getting ready for his big show coming up after the class, okay? He had a great New Year's show, by the way. Congratulations on that.

Thank you. So, please read this guy. Okay.

What's that? Duang? Duang, but one beat.

Duang. Duang. Nice, okay.

I prefer, Nick, to skip the root text translation because it's going to come in the commentary. So, let's make Hasso read one more in line. How's that?

Okay. You use the cursor. Okay.

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Okay. Nice.

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By the way, Nick, you really, guys, you guys owe me for correcting all these carvings, okay?

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Okay.

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Because these were hard. These corrections were difficult. Koachok means?

Us guys. Yeah, and he refers to himself as a? Middle layer.

Yeah, us middle layer guys. Khorwa gyundre meypa nyi duk. We have depa from the viewpoint that khorwa doesn't have gyundre.

And we've gone beyond the viewpoint that samsara, or the wheel of pain, doesn't have causes and effects. Yeah, us middle layer guys have gone beyond the wrong idea that the cycle of pain that we live in doesn't have a cause and effect relationship going on. Okay, nyepa nyi duk.

So, in a sense, we have gone beyond meta, or meita, some kind of extreme viewpoint regarding things not being there, okay? We haven't gone that far. We don't say that cause and effect of suffering is not there.

We believe it is there, okay? Because we have tong with our tsemwa. We have seen accurately.

Yeah, we've seen with our correct perception. Otherwise, it would be we have seen with our cut off something, okay? We have seen with our correct perception that dunyak gyewa dang tzing gi gyur dang chepar.

Yeah, that the beginning of suffering and being born into a suffering life, perhaps, or the beginning of suffering comes from the cause, or has as its cause grasping to itself. Yeah, we understand that dunyak gyewa, the birth of pain, is something that has as its cause the tendency of thinking that the pain comes from its own side. Therefore, we recognize cause and effect.

We have seen that misunderstanding where pains come from is why people are born into pain, okay? Cool? Therefore, we do accept cause and effect.

Yeah, all right. Let's let's let Khasa do one more, right?

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Yeah, okay.

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He got the cursive.

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All right.

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Khasa has her coffee. And Nick, when you're confused by a text and you suspect some spelling problems might be going on, you can check the next line and see if they say tse ma and they do. And that gives you a clue of how to correct the line before it, okay?

RANG BZHIN GYIS YOD PA NYID DU So we don't accept MED PA. We don't accept that cause and effect doesn't exist, but we also don't accept that things do exist. We don't accept that things don't exist, and we don't accept that things do exist.

We don't accept that thing that cause and effect doesn't exist, and we don't accept that RANG BZHIN GYIS YOD PA does exist. Yeah, we don't accept that things do exist or some nature of their own. Good.

We don't accept, for example, that a pain could exist from its own side. So we don't accept not existing, and we don't accept existing, but different kinds of not existing. We don't accept that cause and effect doesn't exist, but we also don't exist that cause and effect works from its own side.

Okay. KHYAD MI LEN TE. SDUG BSNGAL DGOS PA LAM BDE'I RGYUD YOD NA BYAS PA TSE MA NYID Because we have tongwa with our tse ma, Nick.

Because we have seen with our correct perception... Yeah, that we have seen... ...that pain and suffering comes about through the cause of the truth of the path. Good. Now when you see something like that in the second line, the truth of suffering, sorry, the truth of the end of suffering and the truth of the path to the end of suffering, it's tempting to go back to the first paragraph and see if the first two Arya Truths were there. Because this is obviously the second two Arya Truths.

Truth of cessation and the truth of the path to that cessation. Arya Truth number three, Arya Truth number four. He is relating Arya Truth number three and Arya Truth number four to things not existing by themselves.

Now did he make a veiled reference to the first two Arya Truths in his first paragraph? What do you think, Nick? Well, he didn't mention any word that directly mentions the source.

He did mention dungyel, but he didn't say kunjung. He said gyu. Yeah, he did.

Yeah, that is the kunjung. So he said there is pain and there's a cause for that pain, which is your tendency to believe that the pain comes from its own self. Okay, cool.

So somewhere in here it might be nice to, in a footnote for example, to point out that he's flirting with the four Arya Truths. And it's very on purpose. When Nagarjuna does it, it's on purpose.

And probably he wants you to notice, okay? All right, all right. Here, sema would indicate maybe a direct or indirect, logical...

We don't know. It just means correct perception. Yeah, probably not direct.

[Говорящий 2]
Like the doctrine?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, he figured it out. Unless the person talking, unless the umapa mentioned is an Arya, which is not a khyapa. Just because you're a middle wayer doesn't mean you're an Arya yet.

Okay, Nick, who are you gonna pick on next? Thank you. Captain Word.

I would love to put your students to work. Whose pronunciations getting good? Okay.

They're all good. That's true. But who does Word want to put to the grindstone?

Who do I want to embarrass? Jessica. Jessica, please read today's.

[Говорящий 2]
Can you do now? Sorry, nipa ni.

[Говорящий 1]
And then let's go down to here, okay? Okay, Nga.

[Говорящий 2]
Nice. Nice.

[Говорящий 1]
Wow, amazing. Word's just showing off his best students, probably. I'm sure they can't all read like that.

[Говорящий 2]
No, I'm just three months studying.

[Говорящий 1]
Wow, I don't know what he's doing, but it's working out really well. Probably he's paying you guys. Word, can we have Jessica read the next line?

[Говорящий 2]
Yes, I will.

[Говорящий 1]
Please. Yeah, okay, let's translate Word. No cause?

Yeah, there exists no cause which rang shing gi drub pa. That exists through any nature of its own. Yeah, which exists through any nature of its own, which is how I'm glossing.

De means a positive, right? Which is how I'm glossing. Dundu.

Or the purpose of, usually, or something like that? Here it just means in fact. Okay, interesting.

So there's no cause which exists in fact, but what we mean in fact is... Oh, through any... Yeah, so he's glossing the root text, dundu, as rang shing gi drub pa, okay?

There's no cause which exists in fact, meaning there's no cause which exists from its own side. Okay, all right. This next one's hard, Nick.

Who's going to read that? Oh, Word, you got another one? Sure.

Let me look. Hey, Word, you're doing a good job, Word, with your kids and with your other kids. Thanks.

Svetlana. Svetlana.

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DRE BU BAS Good, nice, perfect.

[Говорящий 1]
That was very difficult.

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DRE BU BAS NGAR SKYES PA DANG, LHAN CI SKYES PA DANG, CI SKYES PA GANG YANG DUN DAM PAR RGYUD MA YIN PA'I PHYIR Good.

[Говорящий 1]
Very, very nice. Nick, there's no such thing as a view. There is no cause.

And this is a very difficult instrumental here. This way is not instrumental. It's the instrumental of comparison.

Yeah. There's no cause which exists NGAR, then it's DRE BU. Sure, yeah, yeah.

There is no cause that exists before its result. Yeah, there's no cause which exists before its result. There's no cause which exists LHAN CIG with its result.

Together with its result. At the same moment. And there's no cause which exists CIG its result.

After. Yeah. Now, does that make sense?

If I say causes don't exist before their result, causes don't exist at the same time as their result, and causes don't exist after their result, is that correct? If you have studied Garjuna, it makes sense. But which one possibly would not make sense?

The first one. To say that causes don't exist before their result, it sounds crazy. But the middle way guy says, causes don't exist after their result, that's obvious.

Causes don't exist at the same time as their result, that's obvious. But the causes also don't exist before their result. Oh, you better explain that a little further.

And then he adds an adverb. DUN DAM PAR Ultimately. Yeah, in an ultimate sense.

Then all bets are off. Everything changes. Do causes exist before their results?

Duh, of course they do. Do they exist really before their results? No.

DUN DAM, ultimately not. That adverb saves the day. Thank you, adverb.

I misspelled, but that's okay. Who's next, Nicholas? Do you want to go, Berta Velasco?

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I'd love to.

[Говорящий 1]
You're calling out the heavy guns.

[Говорящий 2]
Renshindei Jukpei Ndrapu Gyehawang Tanyangdag Niduna Teta Yaway Semadan Dundam Petsa Tse Mae Nikala Rabtu-Maitrapei Cheers Nice, nice.

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Very, very nice. You're really good reading nowadays. I don't know what happened.

There must be those drugs. We have a major problem with this sentence. Let's do the first part.

It's easier. RANG BZHIG GI DROD PA'I BRJE BU What does that mean? A result that exists through some nature of its own.

Good. Like a pan that came out of a factory, but it exists from its own side. RANG BZHIG GI DROD PA'I BRJE BU SKYE BA'ANG If it started, BDAG DANG YANG DAG NYID DU NA YANG DAG NYID DU NA means in and of itself.

YANG DAG NYID DU NA means in and of itself. Now there's a question because the Tibetan commentary says RTAGS, which means what, Nick? Imputed or implied?

No, like BDAG YANG DAG. Correct. Reason.

Reason. Yeah, reason. It means reason.

But the root text here doesn't say that DAG. The root text up here says BTAGS, BTAGS. That one means implied, right?

Yeah. So somebody's wrong. Either the Tibetan commentator is wrong or the Tengir is wrong.

Okay, so how can we resolve it, Nick? We can question the Tengirs. Sanskrit.

Yeah, go to the Sanskrit. Luckily, we have the Sanskrit. So we can tell from the Sanskrit if it was supposed to say reason, which means RTAGS, or if it was supposed to say imputed, which is BTAGS.

Right, right, right. So we go back to the Sanskrit, which Grandpa has put here for you. Thank you.

Then we just have to figure out which one is the BTAGS. It happens to be prajnapta. So that would be BTAGS, right?

Yeah, it would be imputed. Yeah, prajnapta, as opposed to existing from its own side. Prajnapta, okay?

So this is a very... And by the way, the reason we have this Sanskrit is usually because Aisha Nguyen, Scofulis, has found it somewhere in the universe and talked them into sending it to us and then inputting it. And she has done really, really amazing work.

And it's because of her that we have all these Sanskrit versions. And this particular Sanskrit version, I think, stemming comes from Beijing. Somebody, a very great scholar in Beijing.

So anyway, prajnapta. Now we got to go back and read it that way, okay? So here we go.

BTAGS THAR NIG PA'I TSE MA DANG, BDUN NA MI TSE MI NYID GA LA RAB TU MA BRAL PA'I PHYIR Let's go to the end of the sentence and then work backwards, okay? And this is a difficult sentence. So he's dividing TSE MA into two different kinds.

All correct perception, all accurate perception is one of two different kinds. One is TSE PA and one is DUN DUN PA. Conventional accurate perception and ultimate accurate perception.

Yeah, good. So as far as a pen is... Regarding a pen, as far as a pen is concerned, what would be a correct conventional perception?

It writes. Yeah, it writes, or it's a pen, or it's plastic, or it's long, or something like that. Okay, that's a correct conventional perception.

And what would be a correct ultimate perception about the pen? It doesn't come from any nature of its own. Yeah, it's coming from me.

In fact, even the writing coming out of it is coming from me. The pen is not creating the writing and the paper. I'm creating the writing and the pen.

Okay, cool. Is there a cause and effect there? Yeah.

You planted a seed. Is the pen writing the writing? No.

I'm writing the writing and I'm creating the pen. It just looks like the pen is creating the writing. It's very beautiful.

If you understand that, you can be successful in life. It's not the pen doing the writing. I created the pen and I created the writing, and unfortunately they happen one after the other.

Okay, so... You say that the pen is creating the writing because you have the seed for the pen to produce? You could say that.

Okay, anyway. So Nick, here we got two different accurate perceptions. Number one, the pen is there, it's blue, whatever.

Secondly, it's coming from me and not from its own side. What does it mean to say something is chakpa tuwa tsenpa nu? Something is known, I guess?

Good, yeah. Or something displays itself to a perception. The pen is showing itself to a perception.

The blue color of the pen is showing itself to a conventional perception. The fact that the pen is not coming from its own side is showing itself to an Arya's perception or a Middle Way perception. But in either case, certain objects are announcing themselves to perceptions.

Hey, I'm out here. This is me. I'm the pen.

And then the perception says, oh yeah, okay. So chakpa here, which normally means kirti... By the way, I wonder what it was in the root text, Nick.

Aprati or something? Yeah, probably. I don't know about this.

But anyway. Yeah, so two things are showing themselves to perception. What?

The relative nature of the thing and the ultimate nature of the thing. Are they not showing themselves? They do show themselves, but not yang dak nyi du.

Oh, okay. Not from their own side. Not from their own side.

Therefore, the fact that those objects ever happened was buttocks or retox? Buttocks. Yeah, it's coming from me.

It's a name or it's a creation of my mind. It's a creation of my mind. Buttocks.

It's a creation of my mind. Would you say labeled here? You can say labeled.

You can say labeled. I mean, the point is the pen is a creation of my mind, of the names coming out of my mind. Yeah, you can say buttocks.

Mike, what I'm getting at kind of is, is there a situation where you would actually use the word imputed? You could. I wouldn't use it here.

I would try to keep things within the grasp of a human being. I would struggle to use normal words. By the way, he's contrasting buttocks with yang dak nyi du.

What's that mean, Nick? He's contrasting buttocks with yang dak nyi du. Imputed or projected as opposed to having an ultimate essence, or just existing ultimately.

Yeah, good. He's saying when the pen starts, for example, kye wa, it's a buttock. It's just a perception coming from my side, and that it doesn't exist yang dak nyi du, in and of itself.

It does not exist in and of itself. Very, very difficult sentence here. Okay, very difficult.

Especially with the misspelling of the word. Okay, almost impossible. That makes it almost impossible.

All right. Cool. Just a few seconds left.

One minute for this class. Nib. Nibbany, second.

Nibbany, say it faster. Nibba was... Nibba was japa dang gyalwa pangwa.

Let's just say that, and we're finished with this class.

[Говорящий 2]
Second.

[Говорящий 1]
Giving up or getting rid of... Sorry, Chuck, sorry. Convention and contradiction.

Yeah, look, we say the pen comes from me. We say the pen doesn't come from its own side, but still we don't contradict how the normal world talks. We accept the normal world.

We still accept how farmers talk, but we say the pen also comes from my side. But what we say about the existence of the pen, we still do not contradict what normal people say. People say, hey, hand me the pen so I can put a big tip on this Peachtree Cafe bill.

And then that's fine. We don't have a problem with that. They don't have to say, hey, please hand me the pen which I'm creating with my mind through my previous thoughts and blah blah.

That's okay. The whole world can talk the way they talk. We know what they're really saying.

Okay, got it? All right, we're going to take... What kind of break, Nick?

How much time before we go into your second class? I don't mind to go straight if you want. Typically what we do here, and it's really up to you.

Oh, right. We have discussion. We can do a 15-minute discussion.

Let's do that. Applications and everybody is welcome to participate. Don't be shy.

And then we do 15-minute Peachtree World News broadcast, which I'm sure Hasso is anxiously... Excited. Excited to do.

So Nick, can you lead that discussion? Sure. And grandpa will take a nap on the bench here.

That sounds wonderful. Yes, take a nap. Relax.

And then 28 minutes from now we'll start with the next class of this text. So if you guys want to stick around, you'll have to check with your translator whether they're going to be able to stick around. We didn't give any...

We gave very little notice. And word, I apologize for that as well. No problem.

So what do you guys think? Does anybody want to share? I'm happy to chime in with ideas.

I share a lot of my ideas here. Sometimes it's nice to just hear from others first. Nick, I have a question.

Okay. The Middle Way guys' opinions does not conflict with how the normal people say about things. Like Rimrock people.

Yeah. Like we say, what if we say, well, I don't have signal here because the signal tower is not good. Like the scientific view.

Or we can take it to the extreme, to the Big Bang, how the whole universe started. Yeah, there was a problem with the Big Bang and that's why our internet doesn't work here today.

[Говорящий 2]
Right.

[Говорящий 1]
Then in this way, does Middle Way opinions conflict with this normal world people talking? Because science is normal. Yeah.

That's my question. I don't have an answer. That's a great discussion.

There's no like, in my opinion, that's a really amazing discussion. That's a big discussion that we can just talk about right now. And I cannot personally answer your question, but I'm happy to discuss it with you.

It seems to me that the Rimrock people, they do not accept science. We are using satellite. We do accept Wi-Fi, internet.

We just pay more and get less. I personally like to talk about it in terms of like, we all seem to have similar seeds in some ways. For most of us, if you eat a lot of butter, not the butter that's in the cinnamon rolls at Peachtree Cafe, of course, but if you eat a lot of butter in anything else, it's probably going to be bad for your health if you eat enough.

We eat enough butter. Or if you don't have a cell phone tower, if you don't have Verizon in Sedona, you won't get cell reception. And for whatever reason, the vast majority of us have that experience, if not all of us humans.

And there is definitely some things that I would say all humans experience in common, and maybe all animals and all life as I know it experience in common. And scientific explanations hold the same for all of those people. And so it's probably wise as middle way practitioners to not just be stupid and pretend that we don't observe things existing in a certain way, because we might then just wander into traffic or something.

It's important to take into account that we happen to have an experience of reality that is consistent. And science, perhaps, is a way to explain that consistency. And it's incredible in that way, with the exception, maybe, of the Big Bang Theory.

Which is everything. Science is incredible that way. It's really incredible.

And we have sent people to space, apparently, and we have cell phones. And I can zoom into this class, and it's amazing. So perhaps one way that I like to reconcile this is to understand that we all, or I have planted in the past, I've created some seeds or some karma that shows me where a world opens for me, which expresses itself as adhering to certain laws, which can be understood through math and physics.

And it's not necessarily simple, but it functions. And I believe it was Nagarjuna or Jetsun Kappa who said dependent origination cannot fail. And maybe that holds true on smaller levels too, like with cause and effect that we can observe.

Not that it can't fail, but that it functions. So I don't know. I would just say, to sum it up, that it's possible that we could observe this world as adhering to the laws of science for the most part.

And it's not in any contradiction to the idea of seeds. It's just that our seeds are expressing themselves through this manner or in this way. And it also could happen where the seeds don't follow those rules.

And in some cases, we call that a miracle. Walking in a water, for example. Sorry, Ben.

No, it's wonderful.

[Говорящий 2]
I thought Juan anticipated this question nicely when he asked Geshe Michael, would it be okay to say that my seeds are causing the pen to be causing the ink on the paper?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Right?

[Говорящий 1]
And your seeds could do that. I was really obsessed earlier this year when Nick's text was talking about a mirror and the illusion of a mirror. And I was looking as he was talking about it, I was looking at my face in the computer, which is a little bit like a mirror.

[Говорящий 2]
And that's not me. That's like if you can see your face in the computer, that's not you. That's not you in the computer.

It's just a picture. It's flat. That's not you.

[Говорящий 1]
It's wrong.

[Говорящий 2]
It's an illusion. But it's perfect also. Like if you raise your right hand, maybe it seems like your left hand comes up.

[Говорящий 1]
But always and every time. And if you stand in the mirror, then you appear in the mirror, even though it's not you. There's something about the illusion that's also like perfect and flawless.

The mirror never messes up. The mirror never accidentally shows Geshe Michael when Ben goes to brush his teeth. With hair.

Right. Yeah. But it's not Ben.

But it's flawless cause and effect. And science is trying to figure out cause and effect. They all argue about it.

[Говорящий 2]
There's dumb scientists and there's smart scientists. But if you find smart scientists, they'll tell you that quantum mechanics guys, they don't know. At a certain point, they don't know what causes stuff.

[Говорящий 1]
And that's exciting to them at the tiniest little level. They say, well, you can't really pin it down perfectly. We know that things are caused.

We see that things are caused. But there's something deep within it all. And yeah, maybe we have some answers here that we can share with them.

I want to see us collaborate with the scientists and not fight with them someday. Yeah. I was going to say that in science, there are no laws.

There is no proof of anything. In science, it's all theory. And what they're doing is they're looking at hypotheses and seeing, does it look like this is the thing or not?

But they never say this is the thing. This is the way things are. But we forget that.

We say, oh, science says there was a Big Bang. No. There was a scientist who said, you know, probably the way things are now is because something blew up.

That's all. Yeah. And perhaps something did blow up.

And then perhaps if it did blow up a little to the left, there'd be better internet in Grimrock. It's hard to say.

[Говорящий 2]
You fixed it, though. You did a good job.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Nice work. So in general, you are saying that it's OK to say that the seeds theory is not a contradiction with what science usually say.

I bet you that in the next hour, he's going to hit this hard. You're setting up the next moment in the text. You have to be able to speak along with the conventions of the world.

I bet you your question is a brilliant setup for what's about to happen. Or how do we define convention of the world? Because it changes all the time.

Science has new ideas that the ancient farmers don't believe. So I don't know. It's a question in my mind.

I mean, something that I've always come back to just from a practical standpoint is like, it's important for us to learn this stuff and for us to untangle the webs that our minds grasping to things existing in a way in which they don't. It's the most important thing we could do with this human body and mind. And that's why we're so lucky to have encountered these teachings and this lineage that's so clear and so correct.

And at the same time, I think it's really important to interact with what's arising for us in a way that's intelligent and so that we take care of ourselves and that we can take care of others using our best understanding and the tools available to us. If somebody desperately needs food, I wouldn't at first be like, well, I don't know, just go feed someone. Maybe eventually.

But at first, we interact with the world the way that we experience it, which is that they're hungry and you give them something to eat and they'll stay alive longer. Usually it's, you know, I feed myself, but yeah. We only have two more minutes.

Anybody else want to chime in about this or? Thanks, Stanley for How and why. There's a great question in the chat.

Who created the conventions of the world? Well, aren't we always Stanley just said they're always changing, which I think is interesting because they are constantly. And I guess that would be somebody just answered it before we asked it.

But the very paradigm of science, for example, or any convention of the world is created by seeds. And if the seeds change. Then the paradigms change or the conventions change.

But in a world where you don't believe in seeds, where you don't know about seeds or you don't believe in seeds. What? How is it that we as a species, for example, adopt something as convention?

How can conventional reality explain conventions? I mean, anthropology and stuff has long detailed explanations of such questions, but We're about out of time. Luckily, there are there are there are long you could find long theses anthropology, I believe, is the study of that.

And maybe there's even more specific studies that would I think it's a feature of the middle way.

[Говорящий 2]
And and he just alluded to it in the text that Either with we could say conventional or deceptive accurate perception or ultimate accurate perception.

[Говорящий 1]
You can't demonstrate that things truly work on their own that That That things coming from their own side.

[Говорящий 2]
Doesn't exist, even conventional.

[Говорящий 1]
And so you should be able to explain to a conventional person why things aren't self existing. Yeah, right. That's, that's kind of cool about the pen right you can prove emptiness logically, you might not be able to prove seeds logically, but you can prove emptiness logically.

And that's pretty fun to do for people. Makes you popular at parties. So it's time.

Hasso, have you found your So, yes. Okay. All right.

I'll see you in 15 minutes for the next recording. Thank you, Geshe Michael. Thank you, everybody.

Yes.

[Говорящий 2]
So Geshe escaped very quickly. But no, no, just joking. Here we are.

Thank you very much for having me here. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Nick for your class.

I really liked it. So today, really, we want to talk about something important happening. It's one of the latest projects that have been happening on Diamond Cutter Classics.

And as you may guess, it's connected to the Good Night Reading Club. So in order to talk a little bit more about that, which Geshe-la has been really excited telling us about lately, we have one of the coordinators of the project with us today, which is Lindsay.

[Говорящий 1]
Yes, she's gonna come and tell us a little bit more about, well, number one, who she is, how she got here, and what is she doing with the Good Night Reading Club. So Lindsay, very welcome. Pass the mic.

Yeah, very welcome. It's glad to have you here. So tell us first a little bit of who are you, how you got here, what's your story, how you ended up living in Rimrock, you know?

Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Juan. Thanks, Juan.

Yeah, so my name is Lindsay. I'm from Seattle, Washington. And let's see, this summer, I did move to Rimrock.

Yep, yep. And so my story is I actually started with the Mixed Nuts program. These are the first classes that I started attending and the first exposure I had to the seed system and everything that we've been studying.

And that was a couple years ago. And so two years, actually, today is the two year.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
So special day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, and, but the reason I heard about all this in the first place is because I met, what happened two years ago is I met Rob Hegarty, who was also living in Seattle at the time.

And he's a longtime student of Geshe Michael. And yeah, yeah. So...

[Говорящий 2]
How did you met Rob Hegarty?

[Говорящий 1]
It's a good story. So I met Rob from, I fell off my bike. I needed a new bike helmet.

And I went to the store. And he said, how can I help you? And at first, I didn't, I just want to talk to him because I didn't normally talk to people in stores.

But then I had the thought of, you don't ever know who you're gonna meet, you don't ever know who might be having a really bad day, and it might actually really cheer them up to have a short conversation with them. You don't know. So you thought you were helping him.

I thought that you never know who might be having a bad day. So it might be nice to just have a short conversation. And yes.

No, no, keep going. What did he say? He said, don't I know you?

We were both wearing masks. And it turned out we had been in the same, like, bike group, bike club. We knew, had similar friends.

And yeah, and it was especially beautiful because I had, like a month prior, had this idea that I really would like for someone to teach me these types of things. But I was like, nah, no one would ever do that. That's ridiculous.

Like, no one would ever take the time to devote their life to learning all of this. And teaching, I literally had the thought of like, that's ridiculous. It's way too much to ever ask of anybody.

No one would do that. And so when I found out that he did study this, I was like, could you recommend a book? And he said, no, he taught me the pen.

[Говорящий 2]
He said no.

[Говорящий 1]
No, he would not recommend me a book. He refused to recommend me a book. And instead, he taught me the pen, he taught me how to meditate, taught me six time book and showed me all these classes and went from there.

[Говорящий 2]
That's awesome. And now here you are recommending books to people. I don't know what I did.

Yeah, I don't know. But if we go to that topic, you moved to Rimrock and then you started getting involved little by little. And recently you were involved in this specific project of the Book Night Reading Club.

How did that happen? And then we can move forward on the actual project so people can sign up.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah. So the Good Night Book Club is to support DCC.

So you all may remember the old format of when it was like a really intense two weeks and it was paid. People would pay a bit to come to those classes. And now we're moving to or we've already moved to where the classes are free.

They're completely open. Everybody can come. But there's still obviously costs associated with the running Diamond Cutter Classics.

And so what the Good Night Book Club is, is it's a way to support Diamond Cutter Classics and have you involved in ways, both in the classes and then also in reading and thinking about the books, meditating on them yourself. And getting involved in practicing to translate yourself and planting those seeds for, you know, how do we build more translators and get these books translated into other languages beyond English more and more. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
So what are specifically are you doing in the project?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah. So it's regional. So it's, you know, all over the world and each region has a regional director who is leading that region.

Latin America has one, Vietnam has one, Europe, etc., etc., etc. And I'm the person who is like centrally coordinating all of that. So there's certain things that are done centrally, like the website, for example, or just getting everybody's heads together and being like, are we going to do this organizing meetings and all that.

So I'm the central coordinator, but there is a regional person who will be your point person if you're interested in this program. And I think we have some QR codes. Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
And Gina Rivera sending best regards. She's helping us with the pictures today.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
And she helps us a lot as well.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. So I have some more detail. Can I share a little bit about?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
So we have people signed up. Thank you so much, so much, so much for people who have already signed up. We just met yesterday about getting the first books out to people and there's still time to get on this first batch.

And so, again, it's a little bit different by each region. If you scan these QR codes, it'll go to the page that's relevant for your region. There are three tiers for signing up.

The first tier is getting both of the release bag that's shown on the screen that we've been talking about, putting electronics away, pulling out a book, reading at night, and then a handful of books throughout the year. And that's at $30 USD. And then there's a middle region that's around $100, $150 and then a higher region, sorry, a higher tier where you're getting that full book set with the box.

And I believe that's $500 a month. So there's different. And also, we will also send postcards with pictures for people who are more like at the $10.

So it's any, any, any donation now is amazing. But we do have specific gifts that are going to come at different tiers of the program. And they're a little bit different by region, but you can look at this QR codes.

[Говорящий 2]
And you know, what's the first book, let's say if you live in the US or okay, what will be the first book you get if you live in the US?

[Говорящий 1]
So the US, the first book is going to be door to the diamond way. And then after that, we're going to start printing the books that you see on the screen here with a nice gold, the DCC books, special version that are only available to people in this book club. And they are not printed yet.

And we're going to print them to have a nice gold foil. And it's this exclusive, beautiful, beautiful version of these books that you are directly supporting. Wow, that's awesome.

And what about if you live in Asia, what's going to be your first book? Yep, it depends on the country. So for example, Vietnam just recently finished translating all the kinds of karma.

So they'll get that one and then so on and so forth. It depends on where you're at. Some people there will also get the door to the diamond way.

But it depends on your region.

[Говорящий 2]
All right.

[Говорящий 1]
Well, we have another picture that shows that I think yes. So this is in case people want to contact each one of them or what? Yeah, yeah.

So these QR codes go to the page to sign up for the good night book club in each region. But if you have specific questions about signing up or if you'd like to help or anything along those lines, these are your contact people and you're welcome to reach out to them directly and they can help you.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, I'm just gonna click here because I want to see.

[Говорящий 1]
Make sure you have the names up there.

[Говорящий 2]
Yes.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. All right. All right.

All right. Very cool. And you say the first you can sign up for $30.

You can sign up for $100 or for $500. It's a little bit different region, but roughly. Yes.

And and you can do any dollar amount. We want to be super clear. You donate $1 a month.

You are in this club. We cannot send you a full box set of books at that amount, but we will send you something. And we encourage everybody to participate at whatever level makes sense for them.

[Говорящий 2]
Awesome. Thank you very much. So then we want to encourage people to sign up.

I myself haven't signed up.

[Говорящий 1]
I should sign up. So yeah, this is a good. Now I know what I'm signing up for.

At first you may be a bit like you don't know what's going on, but now you know, and it may be a very good time to do it.

[Говорящий 2]
So if we can go to the other QR code so people can look at it one more time. The other picture. And there you go.

And you can sign up soon. It's a good start for the 2024.

[Говорящий 1]
And we hope to keep telling you how's going soon. Thank you very much for for coming to the interview. And very congratulations for your two year anniversary of having met this amazing content in the books.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you. And just lastly, before we move on back to Nick, we want to invite everyone to our upcoming program, which is going to be a special celebration for the new upcoming Dragon's New Year. And we have another.

Yes, we have a picture of the New Year event that's going to happen on February 9th. If you are in in American continent 10, if you are in Asia. So I hope I don't know if people can actually see the dates because of the bar tool, but letting you know it's going to happen at 7pm Arizona time 10am Beijing time on Friday, February 9.

If you're here, Saturday, February 10. If you are there, there are going to be a lot of surprises. Our friends from mainland China are preparing a lot of surprises, jokes and fun.

[Говорящий 1]
Geshe-la is going to be there, of course, doing amazing content. We have Rob, Daniel, Johnny and many more friends around.

[Говорящий 2]
So hope you sign up and see you then. Before as well, but. Okay, and then we can go back with Nick to the second part of his class today.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, thank you Juan.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
And thank you, Lindsay.