Ник Лашо — Книга 2: Ратнамала, занятие 3

[Speaker 1]
Many things to do at once. Good gravy.

[Speaker 3]
I got my new coffee table blues.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, that's my next song. You just wait. Oh, hi, everybody.

First world problems. Stop groaning. Start homeworking.

OK, here we go. I don't hear him very well. I did.

It's all the way up. All right, can you guys hear me?

[Speaker 3]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
All right. I like what Wood said today. He's like, I don't expect you guys to know any of this stuff.

Let's see what anybody remembers. In praising Ori and the Garjuna, Gyaltsabje juxtaposes three ideas. So he does three kind of juxtapositions is what it really is.

I should have phrased it a little wrong. He does three ideas that could be somewhat contradictory in his praise of Nagarjuna. Does anybody remember any of them?

Here's a hint. Not even Upala or Chinzo?

[Speaker 2]
Well, I was doing the other work there for a second, but now I'm back to you. I missed that. About Ori and Nagarjuna, he juxtaposes three ideas.

[Speaker 1]
He started the text by praising Gesang Kapala and then Ori and Nagarjuna. And when he was praising Nagarjuna, he said, while he's like this, he still does this. And then when he's like this, he does this.

[Speaker 3]
Projects?

[Speaker 1]
Sorry?

[Speaker 3]
Does he project? Or am I thinking of something else?

[Speaker 1]
There's something related to that that you might be on the right track there. I'm just going to show you guys the answer because I don't think anybody remembers, and that's fair enough. Like I was saying, I like what Word said today.

I don't expect you guys to remember this. Three things. While you see that nothing comes nor goes, you illuminate the path for disciples.

While residing in the nature of having put all emanations to rest, I know, Amalie, you emanate to students to dispel the darkness from their minds. While perceiving the entire essence of the ocean of teachings, you know how to distill it to a single essential point.

[Speaker 2]
Hey, Nick, could you make your homework a little bit bigger for people? Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
I think your garage got attacked by the munchkins. She's in her swimsuit, ready to go to work. Come here, Amalie.

She likes to say hi. I just had a nappy day today. Nappy.

So did I, grandma.

[Speaker 2]
I had a nappy today.

[Speaker 1]
You had a nappy today? Yeah. Wow, lucky you.

Hey, don't disappear there, kiddo. All your daddy's students are going to have a nappy right now. Too cute.

OK, go with mommy, OK? Go with mommy. Hi.

[Speaker 2]
Come with the pool. This way.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Attack your garage, mate. Exactly.

All right. Tibetan for dispel the darkness from the students. Just thought that might be a fun one to figure out.

Not too hard. Oh, you sell, Jay, something? Cell's in there.

Moonsell? Moonsell's in there.

[Speaker 2]
Moonsell's in there? Dual Jay, Moonsell.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's dual Jah. Dual Jay, Moonsell. Yeah.

Cell's in there. I think, Boyd, you said cell's in there, right? Dual Jay, Moonsell.

I said cell's in there, but yeah. Yeah, right. Honorific-y.

Yeah. What is he saying is the highest offering one could make to the victors? What is Geltz of Jay saying is the highest offering one could make to the victors?

[Speaker 3]
Take their advice and put it into practice? Oh, this is Tibetan. Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Single-pointedly. Oh, no, no, no. The English is right.

Who said that, Cameron?

[Speaker 3]
Yep.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Sorry, I'm eating. Yeah.

Take the teachings spoken by the victors and their sons or daughters and great masters as personal advice and practice them single-pointedly. I will accept your answer. Tibetan for, I don't remember, struck by personal advice.

Dampa?

[Speaker 3]
Dampa.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. I mean, you guys are on the right track. It was a phrase that I had never heard it that way before, and I lost 50 bucks.

[Speaker 2]
Thang nak tu shar.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Obviously. Thang nak tu shar.

Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Struck, right.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, struck.

[Speaker 3]
Shar, right. Like it dawns on you.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Although I should have got it just from context. I was just having a bad day.

What classic subject is this text beginning with?

[Speaker 2]
It's kind of you guys.

[Speaker 1]
If you were. Anyone besides Geshe Michael?

[Speaker 3]
The Lam Rim?

[Speaker 1]
Well, yeah. Well, what does the Lam Rim typically begin with? Wait, are you offering money?

Because then you can't. Geshe. No, this is too easy.

I'm not offering money for this one. Geshe Tensel? Sorry.

Oh, no. Did you say Geshe Tensel or something? No.

But that's a good guess, because I gave a hint that said, what does the Lam Rim begin with?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
What else does the Lam Rim often begin with? How good the Lam Rim is?

[Speaker 3]
The inspiration, the Lam Rim. Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Leisure and fortune. I mean, he's been talking about leisure and fortune. Okay.

What's the Tibetan? I mean, he just puts Del in this part, doesn't he? And then he went on a little bit more.

Yeah. I mean, maybe he's not beginning, but he's beginning with. He said Del, and then he said Del and Jor.

Like, we're stupid if we don't take advantage. We're like old people or the elders of the world. So, I don't know.

To me, it's debatable, but occurring twice at the beginning, I felt like he was getting into it.

[Speaker 3]
Got it.

[Speaker 1]
Anyway, we only covered like three, so I didn't have many questions to make. Del and Jor, good. Okay.

Here's my attempted translation. Upal, I'm supposed to read the Tibetan right now?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. I just make suggestions, you know.

[Speaker 1]
Go for it. Okay. Okay.

I was kind of stuck on one little point. Oh. And I even...

Yeah. So, he's talking about Uma Rinchen Dhamma, right? String of Precious Jewels, which has...

which clarifies, yeah, the path for traveling, drubpa, okay? For traveling to two different goals here. What are the different goals?

Oh. To pray the... I just thought of...

To the state. Good state.

[Speaker 2]
I'm just thirsty?

[Speaker 1]
Oh. Higher realms. Duh.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Higher rebirth.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Got it. Sure, sure, sure.

He's hiding the three... the three motivations of the Lam Rim in this sentence. I got you.

I was... Yeah, that's pretty obvious now that you pointed out, as it usually is. And...

the state... the supreme state of... definite excellence.

Okay, good. Which combines two different things. What's those?

Uh... What do you mean? Oh, not...

Are you just asking the question, or are you asking about the next part of the verse? That's the... What does melek traditionally include?

Two different goals. Definitely good. Oh, uh...

Nirvana and total Buddhahood. Yeah, and so this sentence itself is a hidden reference to the three levels of Lam Rim. You see?

Okay, good. Tell me. Uh...

I got stuck on this kong here. Because I was like, is he saying whoever would explain this will do it in two parts? Or is he saying, when I explain it, I'm going to do it in two parts?

Well, first of all, he's identifying... The ni is is, right? The ni means is, right?

Yeah. So, the Three Precious Jewels, which blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, is the text I wish to explain in this commentary. Yeah.

That's what... It's the text I intend to explain in this commentary, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Cool? Uh-huh. And...

There maybe should have been a comma after ni, but... I'm going to cover this book in two parts. Yeah, I'm going to explain the...

Uh... No, it's not Mundo Shepa, it's Shepa and Mundo. Uh...

Preliminary explanation, and the actual explanation? Uh... The preliminary is before the explanation, and then the actual explanation.

Wow. Oh, before the explanation, okay. Yeah.

See, the way you translated it, it would have been Mundo Shepa. Got it. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. Okay, good.

Yeah, I thought it was a weird construction, I just didn't think it all the way through, I guess. So, what we're expecting him to do is make some preliminary comments, and then we're expecting him to actually start into the verses. Okay, so he's going to make some comments about Nagarjuna, about the book, and then he's going to start in the explanation.

Okay. Yeah, so my doctor question is wrong. I mean, he's not really starting, he's just mentioning it.

Okay, cool. Uh... Presenting the...

Yeah, good. Uh... Yeah, good.

Nice. Okay, good. Uh...

Namshak, you got to cover it a little bit more. Uh... So, Namshak only...

Well, no, you're okay. You're okay. I have one space after a colon.

Oh, yeah. Wow. Okay, good.

All right, Grandpa's picky. Oh, no, I didn't mean to do that. I'm sorry.

Well, it's just... Okay, it's a good job. It's a good job.

The translation's good. I was telling Veronica today that you guys are getting good. Uh...

She's going to visit later, okay? So, make sure my hair is combed. All right.

Here we go, Nicholas. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Uh, by the way, Aisha Muyin, uh, who's helping us with our Sanskrit, uh, has found the best edition and has worked hard on it with the help of our two Sanskrit experts, which is David Riegel and Art Engel.

And we'll be able to add the Sanskrit. Uh, it's not totally complete. Uh, there is a report that there's a complete version in Beijing, and we're trying to get it, uh, which was brought from Tibet.

Okay, so here we go. Uh, here we go, and... Oh, Alex Rivas, I'm just...

Oh, yeah, Alex, can you check Nick? Okay. Make sure his tie is straight also.

Okay. Okay. Oh, this is the one we just did.

These two. I'm sorry. I'll try to remember to ask you to assign me one last time.

I just did the next couple of lines. Yeah, it's good. I'll give you, but I want to make sure it's the sexiest thing.

Okay, I just grabbed that because I always forget at the end of my class. So, these are his opening comments. Here we go.

THANG PO NI BYAS TSUN PHAG PA LUS GRUB CHE BYA BA PHAG PA LANG KAR ZHIG PA THANG CHUN CHEN PO'I DO THANG NGA'O CHE'I DO THANG CHAM PHEL GYI TSA WEI TOK PA SOK NE THUM PA NYANG NGEN LEN DE PE JAY SU TEN PA ZIM PAR LUNG TEN CHING KHE PAR U LANG SHEP SOK NE THU PE TEN PA YONG SU ZOK PA GYE PAR ZE NE SARAB DUG GAWA DRUG TE DE WA CHEN DU DRO WAR LUNG TEN CHING Okay. Nice. First of all.

Yeah, I was sneezing. Get some PAPA. Yeah, PAPA.

The High and Holy Arya Nagarjuna said. Yeah. Well, no, this means this person called Nagarjuna.

Right, right, right. Of course. This person called Nagarjuna and is Here's the verb in the fourth line.

LUNG TEN He was prophesied. Yeah, and then you can start on all the books that he was prophesied in. Journey to Lanka The Sutra on the Great Learning or something?

Cloud. Cloud, Great Cloud. MA WO CHE The Sutra of the Great Drum Nice.

And? BYAMS PA'O RGYI TZA BA'I THOB PA SOGS NAS So this would be the root Tantra of Manjushri? Something like that.

THOB sometimes means THOB CHEN means light spirit. It's unclear. I'm not even sure it's spelled right.

We have to check it. DEMPA The teacher NYENG'EN LENG DE PA'I BYAS SU He was predicted His final nirvana? No, here's an actual sentence.

He was predicted that he would ZIN the DEMPA He would be the holder of the teachings after our teacher passed to his final nirvana. And And KHYER PA DU And especially It's said in the Lankar Shekpa Journey to Lanka that he would GYER PA TSE the DEMPA He would spread the total the teachings of the Buddha in their complete form And by the way he would reach Sarvabdha Gawa That's one of the Bodhisattva levels? It's the first level and it's the direct perception of emptiness.

Oh yeah, yeah. Perfect happiness. Right, right.

And after he's done he will DE BA CHEN DU DGOR He's going to go to bliss. Yeah, to Tushita To Tushita Heaven. DE BA CHEN, okay.

Yeah, and he was LUNG DEMPA So he By the way if you want the details you can I can send you GOM PA RAB ZAL the translation of GOM PA RAB ZAL It's like 30 pages there all these details and all these references to Nirgajuna Does Tushita have another name in Sanskrit? Sometimes Sometimes it's called Okumin Right, right, right Okay, please read CHUN TSA LAS LHAB PUN LUD DRIB GYI NEL NJOR LHA MA'I GYI LAM GYI KU TSE TE NI LA DOR JE CHANG GYI KO PANG THOB PAR GSUNG You owe me like 20 bucks for that correction, okay? I'll send it to your I'll give it to you in Bitcoin And that's one of the reasons why I want to start looking for a better version and we better decide on a better version before we go too far because to change a version is very difficult Do you want me to compare them?

Every time I made a correction in the first 8 pages here see what the other version says Yeah, okay, sorry I'll just do it tonight And that will save me some time So the clear the lamp the clear light the clear lantern DRIN TSEL which is the nickname for Haribhadra's shorter commentary on the Abhisamavankara Okay? DROD PA DRIN TSEL So the clarification The clarification the illuminating lamp Okay? It says that in this very TSE This lifetime LUD DUB REG GDOR GYI BYANG GI DGOS PHANG He reached the state of the holder of the diamond Good Using LAM MED The matchless the highest yoga Yeah which is the highest of the four schools of the secret teachings So he used the Anuttara teachings to reach which is called NEL GYUR LA NA MED PA This is the highest What's the second group called?

The second highest? It's called NEL GYUR NEL GYUR And then yoga tantra is the second Okay good Now I have an interesting thing for you and if I'm correct you owe me like a hundred dollars There's no reference that I can find in Haribhadra to this Okay And I looked pretty hard I tried pretty hard and I don't see this mentioned at all You know which irritates me and bothers me and then I went on a larger search through 3,700 books in the tenure and I found this one Oh by the way this is Tsongkhapa in his early sorry in his commentary on Prajna, right? Wisdom He says that he repeats this which is probably where Gyaltsabje got it from

[Speaker 3]
Yeah

[Speaker 1]
So you know Tsongkhapa says you can find this statement that in this very life and there's a confirmation in my correction by the way In this very life he used the Anuttara system and reached enlightenment Okay So Gyaltsabje is being responsible and he's quoting his teacher who said DRIN GZAL Okay which is Haribhadra's commentary but there's no such mention in Haribhadra that I could find but check this out there's another DRIN MA same word same book same called The Lantern Okay and that's by Master Babaliveka Wow and it says Where is that?

[Speaker 2]
Let me get this Yeah that's the one that Kedrupje uses in Interlude for that very reason that he will use the tantric path and actualize the great keeper Yeah Yeah Where is that?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah Sorry

[Speaker 2]
Isn't it in the paragraph with Yeshe where it says DRIN MA

[Speaker 1]
Hang on

[Speaker 2]
The last paragraph

[Speaker 1]
Right here I know Second line Calm down Okay Anyway he has the whole story he doesn't mention LAM MED but there's a piece missing here Nick, I'm sorry, something got cut off Okay Let me see Sorry this part that we're looking at the translation here, is it from did you just do that or was it I cut it out of illumination, okay Okay, yeah Yeah, it doesn't specifically say that he used Yeah, here it is LAM MED PA So this this lantern does mention the indirectly it does mention the highest tantra You see what I mean?

Yeah Right there Yeah So he used the highest system LAM MED PA He used the LAM MED PA So the lantern that Tsongkhapa identifies doesn't mention the lantern of Baba Viveka does mention it Okay, and they're both called lantern and I'm wondering if somebody misunderstood Tsongkhapa saying which lantern You see what I mean? Or was that same nickname possibly used for Master Baba Viveka's text in their time No, that's the point It's never called DUN SEL Okay It's called DUN MA So something's wrong Okay You can check DUN SEL and I gave you the catalog number here 3791 The name DUN SEL is not in the 10 year title It's just everybody calls it that Right In Tim's text So I don't know There's an interesting thing you can dig around but I think someone made a mistake and I think it's the wrong lantern Okay Wow Alright Let's keep going Here we go NGAR SHES PA'I LUNG PHREN PA'I NAM NI BAR DO THU CHIN PA'I THEG PA THANG THUN MONG WA SUM PA YIN PAS NGAR BAR MI SANG MO Yeah As for the prophecies mentioned above Yeah, exactly It says He used a path which was in common with the Mahayana Yeah And And Gyaltsabje says MI GAL BA MI SANG Don't think to yourself that there's some contradiction Well, it means I don't think there's contradiction Other predictions They don't say he used Tantra They say he used something that was in common with the Perfection of Wisdom path Uh huh Yeah Yeah But they don't specifically mention Tantra But then Gyaltsabje says I don't think there's a contradiction Okay? Cool? Yep And this DUNG is a little bit The comment after DUNG is unnecessary and troublesome But that's just my own comment Alright Okay, we're on to NGIS PA and I found it for you Which is We're just going to go on to the actual commentary We finished talking about the DZAD PA PO Right, the author Yeah, we finished describing the author And by the way It'd be interesting to compare Gyaltsabje's description of Nagarjuna in the book you already translated Uh huh The commentary And here He's making the same introduction It'd be interesting A.

to compare the two And secondly it'd be interesting to try to establish the date which one he wrote first Okay, that sounds funny It would be fun And probably there are several biographies And you could just search the biographies for the names of these two books by Nagarjuna And you can establish which one he wrote first And which one he cannibalized for the story of Nagarjuna for the other one You see what I mean? Okay, good Alright, here we go Please read Oh Nah, you did too many times Let me give somebody else a chance Nick, you choose somebody I think grandpa can Tim Tim Uh oh Is he busy?

Nah, he's anxious to come up here and help you He's looking a little stunned but it's okay Alright Hi Tim If he'd known he was going to be doing this he would have come this year, I promise you Okay, I'm kidding He's jealous because I don't have any Okay, let's go Nick Okay Okay, second Master Nagarjuna Hmm Okay Okay Okay, good Master Nagarjuna, that part's right Jorwa Gyalwa La Sopa Jorwa Gyalwa You don't know this one and I didn't know this one There's a book called Jorwa Gyalwa And this is a book on medicine by Nagarjuna and it means the hundred treatments And it starts out with a prostration to medicine guru, which is very interesting That means Nagarjuna practiced medicine guru Wow, interesting Yeah, so he wrote a book called The Hundred Medical Treatments And I checked it, I read some of it and it's interesting He was known as an alchemist Yeah He made gold from iron and stuff like that Anyway We call this Rigme Tumongwa Do you know what that means?

Shared with the Vedas? With the five sciences I don't know why I keep thinking it's the Classical sciences which are shared with whom? Buddhists Non-Buddhists Oh Yeah, there's five classical sciences Only one of them is Buddhism Right And food medicine which is a subject which is held in common with non-Buddhists Right And Shastra, classical commentaries Mongbol He wrote a bunch Yeah, he wrote a bunch For example, the hundred treatments, etc And then as far as Nangripa Buddhist books Yeah, as far as Buddhist books He wrote many books about Ngak and many books about Pardo to Chimba Yeah, Tantra and Perfection of Wisdom Yeah, good Okay Latenpa depending on those two systems of teaching Okay I mean, does Latenpa just mean about? Yeah He He utilized those two systems to write many books Okay Here's the reference to the hundred treatments Okay Now they're gonna have a little summary of the books he wrote And again, it's kind of similar to the summary in the beginning of your last text Okay, so Tim's gonna keep going You got the cursor You got the plane Thanks for all the research, Keshe Go slow Samo umelam Nope tempe dodenam ngepe tonthu jupatang tartuk tekpa ciktu jupat sok lam ki nam shak tumagyepar tempa do kunle tepa zela Good, so let's go backwards He wrote for example, and now the first book listed is Dode Kuntu Dode Kuntu The Compendium of the Sutras Yeah, and I put the bibliography reference for you here Oh, amazing It's a little tricky because here's another Dode Kuntu which was written by Atisha And it's very common for people to mix them up So make sure when you reference it, you reference the one by Nagarjuna Okay, so What does the summary of the sutras teach? Well, it teaches Samo umelam tempe do Oh, I'm sorry It establishes Forget the comma here, okay It establishes that the sutra of the sutras of the Buddha teach the profound middle way path No, no It's more complicated than that The sutras which teach the profound middle way are medan Oh, are literal Yeah, good, good Okay, so one of the functions of this first book by Nagarjuna listed which is the Compendium of all the Sutras is to prove that which turning of the wheel was literal The second Yeah, the second turning of the wheel was literal Okay, good It also teaches All paths lead to one lead to the same place Yeah, and even non-Buddhist path All spiritual paths lead to the same goal It's a beautiful topic which Nagarjuna is passionate about Okay, that's very cool drupa sok lam kyi nam shak du ma Many presentations of the path Yeah, gyepar ten not just ten, gyepar ten They taught extensively Yeah, and you're talking Look You're talking 65 You're talking 130 tengyur which is about 250 pages, which would be 2000 pages in English translation Okay, so he that's kind of gyepar, right? He wrote 130 books in the tengyur?

No, see the page the folio numbers here Oh, gotcha Yeah, multiply times eight to get the English In fact, probably ten because it's tengyur more carving per page So call it I don't know call it 6000 page translation. We can do that in the next life together, okay, you promise? I'm in, sign me up Okay, we'll see you there Okay, here's the next one Tim's still checking Alright, good job, Nick So he's naming the books of reasoning, I think Yeah No, I don't know Some of these are the books of reasoning I guess What's that first half of the sentence First half of the line Establishing Here are some books which establish with reasoning the the path of the profound path of the middle way Nice, okay, and here starts That's a list The root text on wisdom as this really calls Keshala Keshala What? Is that establishing here or is it practicing? No, it's established but it's a good question When they say rikspa it's almost always logically proving Okay Thank you Balasiddha I think that's the 60 verses on reasoning That's the one he trusts Stopping all argument Tendop Yeah, stopping all argument Just don't make somebody die Reverse an army, for example Tangnyi Dönchupa the 70 verses on emptiness Shimmo Namthak is smashing wrong ideas to dust Yeah, to fine dust Shimmo Mm-hmm Crashing Let's see These scriptures and scriptures like these

[Speaker 2]
Commentaries, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, classical commentaries such as these It's not plural Oh Sokpanam No, but Tendji D Oh, sorry Okay, I'll stop being rude This classical commentary and others like it Okay Tendlapapa he established these books including the one right now Okay, good Is it Tendlapapa? Is that a weird word to use for authoring? It is a weird word to use for authoring It is, I agree It means he kind of set them forth or something They didn't say Tsongba or Zepa It's a good question It's a little weird Doesn't it mean present, Geshe-la, Tendlapapa?

I think so To organize some other subject You see what I mean? So it's kind of uncomfortable here I agree with Uncle Nick All right, here we go Tanye Drupa Uma Gyenggi Drelpar Tshik-shek Khayang Dzangpa Tsam-ma-tok Puthu Tsangmangyur Yeah, good It took me a while to figure this one out Okay, and it's difficult Apparently he also wrote a book called Tanye Drupa Oh, Proving Convention Proving Conventionality Proving Conventional Terms or something like that He wrote about that and we don't find it in the Tengyur

[Speaker 2]
It's not in it

[Speaker 1]
and he says the only reason we know about it is because it is Tsangpa in Uma Gyenggi It is implied Quoted Right, right, right It's quoted in a commentary to the School of the Middle Way which is written by Shantarakshita Cool It's a commentary to Shantarakshita which quotes pieces of a missing work by Nagarjuna, maybe we can find it someday called Establishing the Terms Okay, and he says Sikye Khyang There's just a few verses Yeah, or pieces of verses Yeah And except for that book Matok Tsangma Kulgyur It's not in Tibet It's not complete in Tibet No, Tsangma means Kul Oh, it didn't come to Tibet at all Nope All the books by Nagarjuna are in Tibet With the exception of that one, all of his books are in Tibet Yeah, except for that one and the only reason we know about that one is that somebody quoted it in a commentary to another book by Shantarakshita, who's teacher? Lord Atisha Kamalashila

[Speaker 3]
Kamalashila

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so Kamalashila wrote somebody else wrote a commentary to it and in there they say there's a missing book by Nagarjuna and they give a few quotations Grandpa went and found it Okay, so here it is By the way, the whole Shantarakshita's whole book is three pages There's nothing in there about this book, okay But there is a commentary by Master Kamalashila called A Commentary to Difficult Points in Shantarakshita's Jewel of the Many Worlds Here's the reference and it took me a lot of sweat to find it Please Please read those big letters with Tim What's that mean? Can you guys work on it? Here Arya Nagarjuna Oh Dini means this topic that I just covered Yeah He talks about it He presents it He talks about it Good Good In establishing the terms or something What's this business here?

It just means from his super awesome mouth Yeah, we say I like to translate it as from his holy lips I was trying to take my own twist be a little bit creative I think it's exciting that we have established that there is a piece of a missing Nagarjuna book and it would be fun to set our Sanskrit bloodhounds to try to find it Totally Oh my gosh, that would be amazing And we have six professional Sanskrit lookers who work for ALL They do this kind of thing Once in a while they found the Medicine Buddha Sutra from a collapsed stupa in Afghanistan The only copy in Sanskrit So, not bad That's why it's in the book that was just published Alright Keep going Tim's going to check you one more time then I'm going to kick him out Cool Okay, good We see references in a couple of stotras Praises Yeah, books of praise like odes There's a whole section in the ten year column poems of praise And they say tong ni ten do They say gyang There are sutras which indicate the subject of emptiness But rikpe Those sutras which use rikpe to drupad mimang Yeah, there are a few They are not many Okay Okay de tsam du mimang means there's not that many Okay You have to translate it like that Because it's negative Is emptiness proven in sutras? Yes I'm sorry, is it presented in sutras? Yes Is it logically established in sutras?

Not that many Well Is it established logically in dentures? Uh-huh Briefly Is that what it says?

[Speaker 2]
Classical commentaries

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You're asking me for the No, right I was reading Yeah So in the classical commentaries It looks like it's saying briefly No Slow down But there are shastras Classical commentaries Which do talk about the logic The whole system of logic to prove emptiness And if you were to do them Summarize Yeah Or if you were to divide them in a simple Here's the last three words of the sentence All those shastras which talk about the logic behind emptiness fall into two categories They fall into two categories And you're going to tell us what they are And they are divided by the comma Uh-huh, okay Tenjun Tenjun ki dekona ni so war tonpa dang So the ones that mainly teach suchness of dependence Yeah So the first type of classical commentary which discusses the logic to prove emptiness focuses on the emptiness of dependence Yeah in this category of shastra And then the other one is mainly discussing it's like something that the path to realization is free from extremes And that's what liberates you from sansara is the path to liberation which is free from extremes path to realization path of realization which is free from extremes Yeah, the path where you realize that existence is free of two extremes So those are the, those are Gyaltsabje's identification of two kinds of classical commentaries which are logically established emptiness Either they talk about dependent origination and how that's the true nature of things or they talk about the two extremes of existing and non-existing and they use that to help us get free of sansara And that's interesting the interesting exercise in your free garage time to take some of the books you know and see which category they fall into that would be an interesting exercise You could give it to one of the other mix nuts or something Yeah, maybe so Do you think that it's worthy of a footnote to like say that because it's my interpretation Oh, I'm sorry Say again? Do you think it's worthy of a footnote to try to name some or something? Uh I think it would be dangerous personally, I don't think I would I wouldn't publish my guess Yeah, right Yeah, that would be It would be fun among friends like when you're out on your surfboard looking at the sunset to go over some of the shastras that you know and see if you can put them in one category or the other I think it would be interesting When Apple makes a waterproof computer Yeah Ellie would you like to come up and correct him?

Are you in the mood? Okay, say goodbye to Tim Bye, Tim Thanks, Tim Here comes Ellie Be careful Sorry about it Okay, she's gonna crush you, Nick My favourite My favourite person to crush me In fact, we're gonna talk about crushing in this paragraph Yay Okay, go slow Make a few mistakes for Ellie to fix Okay Dang, Paula You know better than that

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Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Next Yay Okay And it took me a while So, he's gonna talk about the first category Do you remember what it was? Proving emptiness by They show the emptiness of dependence Nice Getting to emptiness through dependence Okay, good Now he says Those mupamawas Who's that, Nick?

The functionalists. What do they say about fire? That the hot is in the fire.

Yeah, they're called functionalists because they believe that anything that does something must have some reality in it. Okay. It must be in it that it does something.

Okay? DNGOS PO MA BA'I RNAM GYIS BDAG PA This is the meaning of BDAG PA, meaning made up. Uh-huh.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, right. I remember.

Sure.

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DGOS PA'I THAG GSUNG Yeah, DGOS PA'I THAG GSUNG.

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They got this imaginary dukja. Uh-huh. Proof?

Yeah, no, it's the opposite. This thing that they're trying to prove. Dukja.

Oh, okay. The dukja is coming later. The dukja is coming later.

So, they want to prove that something exists, but they just made it up in their head. What do they want to prove that exists? The RANG BZHIN GYI DRUB PA of the konsak and the pumba.

Uh-huh, the person and the parts of the person which are established through some nature of their own. Good. And that's what they want to prove exists.

And that's the thing that Madhyamika wants to prove doesn't exist.

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Now, those ideas that the functionalists were trying to prove that husbands are irritating from their own side and that fires are hot from their own side. That was DGOS PA by Sawashiro. That was refuted by the root text on wisdom.

Yeah, and that's... I don't think he's mentioned it yet, right? He did.

That's the point. But mainly Sawashiro's job is to cancel that wrong idea of the functionalists that things should have something in them. Now, that's the...

So the DRUB BYA, what the non-middle-weyers, the functionalists, are trying to prove, three and a half schools, right? What they're trying to prove, they have DRUB BYA for it. They have their own proofs for it.

Good, they have their own proofs for it. And that's a... That's a SEMMA, but it's fake, it's wrong SEMMA.

Okay? It's wrong logic. In this case, SEMMA doesn't mean accurate perception, it means logic books.

They have their own... What's that logic called? The main one.

RANG GYUR PA. Okay? Not tempted.

The wrong logic. Okay, SEMMA. SHIMMO means their wrong logic is subtle.

But it's DAR NANG. But it's there. It's shining, it's appearing.

It's clear. It's false, it's false logic. DAR NANG is a pun.

It looks... Nick, and you got to... the English is going to be tough.

It looks subtle. It looks subtle, but it's a pun, because if you read DAR NANG quickly, it means... Bad logic.

DAR NANG, bad logic. So, it's very subtle here, and you got to bring it out in the English. I'll say it again.

They use a logic to prove that things do exist from their own side, but that logic looks as though it's subtle, but that same expression in Tibetan means fake subtle. False. Okay, good?

Alright, good. In fact, they have the SIG DENG CHUD DU, which means 16 terms of... DOG DENG means logic.

DOG DENG is the old word for logic. They use 16 logical devices. Okay?

They have 16 logical devices to prove that fire is hot. It's hot. Inside it.

Okay, got it? Cool. And now, Nick, $100.

Dang, wait, I already gave you the answer. Cancel that. Yeah.

Now the name of one of Nagarjuna's famous books takes on a new meaning. What is it? Right, that's what's cool.

I like it. Crushing these wrong ideas to dust is talking about crushing these specific fine distinctions that they think they're making to dust. That are false.

Yeah, they're wrong logic to dust. So the name of Nagarjuna's book is itself a pun. Yeah.

It can be read as crushing their ideas to fine dust, or it could be read as crushing these ideas which they advertise as subtle to dust. You see what I mean? It's beautiful.

And good luck translating it into English. Nagarjuna wrote a book called Crushing Fine, which we always thought meant he just smashed them into dust. Now, Gyaltsabje says, no, no.

These are... They sell it as subtle, but it's not. He crushed the, quote, subtle.

Nagarjuna crushed the, quote, subtle. Got it? Yes.

And the subtle and the word fine dust are the same word. Got it. Well, it seems like Gyaltsabje...

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Oh, we're over time.

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What's that word for... What is this book called? I love the Sanskrit.

Let's use the database. Basma? I love the...

I don't know. This Sanskrit word always sticks in my head, but I can't stick it right now. Shimu.

Shimu. Can you see my screen or no? No.

Oh, you can't see the search program. Okay, this is what Grandpa does when he has a question. He uses Bob Brady's program.

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We have a wild world, but the internet can't see it.

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What your screen in there is sharing is not the same as what your Zoom is sharing.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Let me just do it quickly because I know we're out of time. Here it is.

Oh, it's called Vidalia. Oh. But there's another word.

Okay, it's called Vidalia. Yeah. Cool.

Yeah. Okay. Anyway, there you go.

Cool. Thank you very much, Geshe-la. We're way over time.

Sexy, sexy text name. Yeah, this is awesome. By the way, what Grandpa's going to do with your next class, I'm going to teach you 16 terms.

Oh, cool. Okay, cool. Yeah, I thought that was coming.

I was wondering what that was. A lower school's false logic. Awesome.

What's the date today, 18th? Yes. All right, Nicholas.

You're going to still give us five minutes, right? Who's up next? She.

Utpala. Utpala. Okay, Utpala.

We'll come to you in three minutes.

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