Бетси Грир — Книга 2: Интерлюдия о пустоте, занятие 74

[Speaker 1]
Finally, God. Just because everyone missed you. You were doing important work for us, and we thank you.

I'm glad you're back. We missed you, and I appreciate your service to all of us. I was.

It's true.

[Speaker 2]
It's true. I happen to know. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
I don't know what you're doing, but thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Sure.

[Speaker 1]
So, last time was also a team class. So I'm not going to do a quiz. But just by way of reminder where we are in interlude on emptiness.

Yes. Oh, first, I have to remind myself to just take a moment and think about what's your motivation for being here on this zoom call. What is it that you're planting seeds to create.

You could make that as clear and as heartfelt as you can. That will help make the seats more powerful. So thank you for that.

So in interlude on emptiness. As you know if you've been here before we. This is KJJ's masterpiece, I think, on emptiness.

And he started off by saying, you know, we really need to know when the Buddha was teaching figuratively and when he was teaching literally. And different people have different ideas about when he was teaching literally and when he was teaching figuratively. But we need to know when he was teaching, literally, so that we know precisely what it is that we need to see directly.

That will get us out of the cycle of suffering. Right. So we've gone through, thank goodness, the Mind Only School, Master Asanga, Maitreya, Master Vasubandhu, their take on when the Buddha was speaking literally, and when he was speaking figuratively and now we're moving on to Arya Nagarjuna's take.

And we're still at the beginning of this section. This section is like the major part of the book. It's huge.

We've barely covered just a few pages actually in the many years that we've been doing this text. But we're just at the very beginnings of talking about Arya Nagarjuna. And so we first talked about how he was prophesied by the Buddha.

We talked about the many, many texts, and we got from Nick's book a list of a great number of texts that Nagarjuna wrote. And we've been spending some time moving on now to people who kept Nagarjuna's tradition alive. And we've been sort of arguing about whether this one particular text was actually written by Nagarjuna or whether it was written by somebody else.

And now we're moving on to, was Master Chandrakirti a direct disciple of Arya Nagarjuna or not? So, much different than Adam's book. It feels like, I don't know, we just went through a wormhole or something and came out into another universe.

But here we are. Sorry, I'm sort of sharing in pair. I always have to redo things.

Okay, so can people see the text? Yeah, so we're talking again about whether Master Chandrakirti is a direct disciple of the Buddha. And we just ended last time where K.J. sort of dissed other scholars who said that he was not a direct disciple. And then he quoted, does anyone remember who he quoted?

[Speaker 2]
Lord Atisha.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, the glorious Atisha who said that Chandrakirti is Nagarjuna's disciple. So now we're continuing on and K.J. is giving more examples or more substantiation. So, is there someone who would like to read?

No one would like to read? There's so many, but they're afraid to say. Christina Casca, your face just appeared.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
There's no Z sound. So it's just a low tone. In this case, sha.

So rim shin. And this is a high tone sha. So it's rim shin sha.

Rim shin sha. Yeah. Lovely.

Thank you so much. So Geshe Michael here gives us a clue. Oh, this must be the name of a text.

So, let's see. Drone. Cell.

I'm sorry. The lamp that illuminates or makes clear. Yeah, I'm doing provisionally blazing light.

We don't have it. We don't have this title translated in our database. So, and lay indicates that it's what comes next comes from.

That text. So, Christina, what's, who's, who's sung in.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know. Is it a Tisha or. Oh, it's in our prayer.

So I should know. Is it Buddha.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, very good.

[Speaker 2]
No clue.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, so all the Buddhas. Then we've got key of all the Buddhas. Rim knee.

We know rim from lumbering right. Rim is path, right. Lam is path.

Oh, rim is. Or stages. Stages.

Yeah, and me. He is a genitive. No, this is a word that ends in saw.

Oh, to to two stages. So, name that work and have many different meanings can be a place. It can be like a home.

And it can mean to abide. And I think that's what it means here. Because this is a word that I had to look up to remember because I don't see it very often and we don't see it very often in our open texts.

Get top. That means a seal. So it's a seal for abiding in the two stages of all the Buddhas.

That's what all that is. And so here we've got a verb. Do you happen to know Nick, Nick.

[Speaker 2]
I do it means fine but it's after the that knee. What's going on with that teeny loser blade Nipa.

[Speaker 1]
Well, so, so, I think that teeny is referring to all this is that T. As far as but I'm not sure this could. Yeah, I'm not sure.

[Speaker 2]
I'm just saying that the, the verb doesn't might not quite cross that me.

[Speaker 1]
Right. So I don't think that it's talking about finding for example, the sun game. Do find that that x, we do find presentations where in that text is said to have come from.

Which text. This, this. Yeah.

No, I think this position of the two stages of all the Buddhas that this is a text.

[Speaker 2]
I do think that.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, that's it. Was that a position.

[Speaker 2]
I think it's a text. Oh, I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
I don't know, I could be wrong. That's, that's my provisional position on the matter.

[Speaker 2]
There were definitely texts with, with, with odd names like that in his list but we could, we could search the text list.

[Speaker 1]
That's not going to be a foolproof answer but I'll take a look. Well, thanks. I will make a note of it.

If we don't find it. What would the NEPA be doing that we'd say we found that that's by Nagarjuna or something like that. We do.

Yeah, like we do find that we found as in, like, sometimes you'll see it as in see, like we do see cases where people say this we do find presentations where people present this as being by him. Well, I think this is found, found from, found from Nagarjuna, meaning, basically received teachings from Nagarjuna on the seal for abiding in the two stages of all Buddhas. Because remember what we're just the context of what we're talking about is whether or not Chandrakirti who is the author, author of Drinsel, whether or not he's a direct disciple of Arya Nagarjuna.

What could have been found by him he found a lot of texts and found a lot of presentations so could also be that this detailed exposition of the two stages of practices of the Buddhas was discovered by Nagarjuna. I don't think that would prove his point, but so it'll be interesting when we, when we have the master translator to help guide us through this. I was thinking that it's, it's more along the lines of supporting Chandrakirti's relationship with Nagarjuna, than it is about whether or not Nagarjuna wrote this text, and that the text was found.

Do you see? But I, but yeah, we'll find out. Like all pervading Lord.

Peldin do you know this one, Christina, we use, we see this a lot when we're talking about particular beings.

[Speaker 3]
I only know that it's the name of a very famous Mongolian teacher.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, how fortunate.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know what it means.

[Speaker 1]
We can say glorious. And do you happen to know who Dorje Sempa is?

[Speaker 2]
Diamond Mind?

[Speaker 1]
Well, the Sem is part of it, Sempa, what's Sempa?

[Speaker 2]
Is that the Pa that...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I heard someone say.

[Speaker 2]
What?

[Speaker 1]
I heard someone say the Sanskrit there in the background. A Bodhisattva is often called Sempa. Dorje Sattva.

A warrior. So this in Sanskrit would be Bajra Sattva.

[Speaker 3]
Bajra Sattva.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. So the all pervading Lord, the glorious Bajra Sattva. Tu.

That's Tu, Tu Pao. And Te, I got to, I have to figure out how this fits in there. But Dao Drakpa, that's Chandrakirti again.

And this Sa is indicating that he's doing something or done something. Rim Shin Shek. So the verb here is Shek.

[Speaker 2]
Explained.

[Speaker 1]
Which is to explain.

[Speaker 2]
In stages. Progressively in order.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
After the other.

[Speaker 1]
Successively. So maybe it's this is explained in successive order by Chandrakirti. So it would look like something like this.

Oh dear, sorry. I'm getting the, yeah, there it is.

[Speaker 2]
I mean, Wheel of Delight.

[Speaker 1]
What's that?

[Speaker 2]
Carry on.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. So something like this. I've obtained from Arunagarjuna the seal for abiding in the two stages of all Buddhas.

It is bowing down to the all pervading Lord. The glorious Diamond Warrior. This is explained in successive order.

I guess it would have to be by me. Chandrakirti. Since he's writing this book.

[Speaker 2]
Hmm.

[Speaker 1]
If he refers to himself in that way. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
And there's that quote. Does he refer to himself that way? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh.

[Speaker 1]
Interesting. So maybe, yeah, having received this teaching from Nagarjuna, you know, and now bowing down to Vajrasattva. Now I'm going to explain them in their proper order.

Now I, Chandrakirti, I'm going to explain them to you in order. Right. I think so.

[Speaker 2]
Oh.

[Speaker 1]
I think so. Not that he's using any other part of the book. He just used that part.

Kejapji just pulled those words from Chandrakirti's book. It's not like we're going to get into that because that would be quite improper to be talking about Tantra when you've got an open book. Just so you know, that book does not show up in Master Nagarjuna's list of works from the appendix of 60 verses.

Oh, great. Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So maybe it is just talking about the content of the teaching that he received, the two stages of all the Buddhas, the seal for abiding in the two stages of all the Buddhas, which is to bow down to the glorious, all-pervading Diamond Warrior. Maybe we can ask Keshe Michael for those teachings. So let's go on.

I can't really see who's here for some reason. So, Dodo, I know you were here. Are you still here?

Yeah, yeah. Would you like to read this one? For Eddie?

Cool. So this tells us, we've got another quote, right? Because of this saw, this is indicating to me that this is this person's name.

It's a person's name.

[Speaker 2]
Totally.

[Speaker 1]
And Pandita is another clue, right? The Pandit, or Pondit, Keldindrakpa. I don't know.

Illustrious good fortune, or, I don't know. The learned one. Illustrious good fortune.

Kyeong, so here probably, if K to G is building a case, it's probably also, right?

[Speaker 2]
It seems very likely.

[Speaker 1]
We can hope.

[Speaker 2]
He also says.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Daini.

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
This is, or something like that.

[Speaker 2]
Mm-hmm.

[Speaker 1]
Here we have Peldin again, with Ludrup this time.

[Speaker 2]
Mm-hmm. The glorious. Glorious Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 1]
Glorious Nagarjuna. Oh, and here we have Nepa again.

[Speaker 2]
La Nepa.

[Speaker 1]
La Nepa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. I think, like, obtained from him.

[Speaker 1]
Right, or he found it out from him.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So, what did he find out? This. So, someone found this out from the glorious Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 2]
It's just, it's the same thing as the last one, the Daini, Ludrup, La Nepa, as Peldin. Yes. Yeah.

It's just, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Presumably Chandrakirti said that he got it from Nagarjuna. Right, but this is now Pandita Keldindrakpa saying something.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, he said.

[Speaker 1]
And he hasn't told us who the, who his subject is yet. It's the same as the last one. But it's Chandrakirti.

[Speaker 2]
He's saying we find in the works of Nagarjuna, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, no. Pandita Keldindrakpa is also saying that they admit that Chandrakirti said he got it from Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 2]
But.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, this quote is from, yeah, I got it. Yeah. I don't think there's a but.

[Speaker 2]
Ma is the but, admittedly. No, that's, mu, this mu means this is uttered.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I think this all goes together.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, I see what he's saying. Glorious Nagarjuna again. And then.

So, shall not name.

[Speaker 2]
So, from his face.

[Speaker 1]
Right from his holy face or in his presence. And something like that.

[Speaker 2]
As a direct disciple. As a direct disciple.

[Speaker 1]
I'm not sure exactly where this.

[Speaker 2]
I think as a direct disciple.

[Speaker 1]
I'm sorry?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. It's like as his direct disciple. Just as, only as.

He was simply the direct disciple of the glorious Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, if it's simply then I'm going to think maybe it goes this way. Because this says. He wasn't just simply someone in the lineage of teachings.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, I think it's the other way.

[Speaker 1]
I think that he was. He did say that he got it from Nagarjuna. And, but.

[Speaker 2]
As a member of the lineage.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, right. Getting it from directly from. Yeah.

I think the idea is that it doesn't mean that he got it directly from the lineage. Rather, or excuse me. It doesn't mean he got it directly from his holy face.

Rather. He. Yeah.

My in. He's not.

[Speaker 2]
New and the good are transposed. He is. He is simply a direct disciple.

It's not the case. It's not that he was further some individual further down the line of the teaching. So, so.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's the way I took it.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I think so. I think so.

[Speaker 1]
So how did you put the, how did you translate the need?

[Speaker 2]
It's not need to, it's local knee. Do so certain.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, I think.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, it's, that's a lot of them connecting the local.

[Speaker 1]
Direct disciple.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, actually. Okay. Exactly.

He was an actual director. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Great. So he was an actual direct disciple. In the presence of.

The glorious Nagarjuna. Rather than being just someone who. Received it in the lineage teachings.

I guess I, I, I want to pay the agenda to be because. And I know it's sort of strange language. But I think, I don't know, maybe we'll see it born out but what is our argument, are we arguing that he is a direct disciple or that he is in the lineage.

Oh, no. Well, KJJ is arguing that he's a direct disciple, because he just did some people who said he wasn't.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Right. So, I think he's now presenting substantiation for his point of view. But did this is this young here would be probably indicating a repetition of whatever the immediately preceding section said to the did the last before this one, say that he is.

[Speaker 2]
I can't remember. But it says almost the same exact thing. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So he's in this one he's presenting somebody who did say.

Okay, cool. Yeah. That makes sense.

Sure.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. I'm, I'm not sure I'm pronouncing your name correctly but is it quite tall. Yes.

Do you want to read. Yes, you. How do I.

How should I say your name is me. My name.

[Speaker 3]
Quite cool. Cool. Cool.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
By two.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah. Let me try. Ram say.

Ram say. Rajen.

[Speaker 1]
Rajen. Rajen. Zin, Zang, Ko, She.

Yeah, there's no Z sound so here, there's not a Z sound but it's Zin, Zang, Ko, She.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah. Zin, Zang, Ko, She. Sha, Ra, Ha, Pe, Lu, Rupla.

blah. Say pardon. The law.

Rappala.

[Speaker 1]
Dawa Dawa. Dawa.

[Speaker 3]
Dr. Dr. One. Rappala. She pay soon young.

Rana Rana. Ma.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, actually, sorry. I should have been highlighting in here.

[Speaker 3]
Rune Ma.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
RIP. Wrap sale.

[Speaker 1]
Wrap sale.

[Speaker 3]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you so much. So Brahms say that's a prominent, right. And we've got this shea.

So we can kind of assume that everything that comes before the shea is the is the name. So we have this Brahman who's called judge and zoom song. Who are who the which happens to be Rahula Padra.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And he's also, this is an appositive here. Another name he's known by is Sarahapa. Sadaha.

Is it Master Sadaha? Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

[Speaker 2]
Famously, Nicaragana's teacher.

[Speaker 1]
Teacher, yeah. Yes, as we are about to find out. In this poem that Saraha wrote.

So, this is indicating, yep, we're talking about something that Saraha did. And Ludrup, again, Nicaragana. And here we have explained to Nicaragana.

Right? And, they, by that, Tawagdrapa Lashepa explained to Chandrakirti.

[Speaker 2]
He said, yeah. Mm.

[Speaker 1]
And this is Sul, the way. So, again, and this is found in Master Chandrakirti's Germ Narabso. So, in his blazing light.

So, altogether, the way the Brahmin called Rahula Padra or Sarahapa explained to Nicaragana and, through that, explained to Chandrakirti is again found in blazing light. And now we get into poetry. Do we have any poets?

No poets? Marina, aren't you a poet?

[Speaker 3]
I can just try to read. Okay. Okay.

That's good. Donka netron khetu augyuri bo tse morni yepa yupe le intu tanpo tse va le tse morni Lovely.

[Speaker 1]
And nice rhythm. Thank you so much. So, Konka is apparently a tronkir, a city called Konka.

[Speaker 2]
I think it's Konka. Konka, no. Right.

[Speaker 1]
Augyuri bo. That's actually a mountain of splendor or Sri Parvata, which is where Saraha lived.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, there you go.

[Speaker 1]
Right at the top, I guess. Yes. Same more.

On the summit. Ke u in pe ni ni du I think these two lines go together. Tanpo tse la nei tse nei I see that happen sometimes in Western Chinese in a poem, like the first two lines go in some sort of a sequential order and then the last two lines are flipped.

And I don't know why that is. Maybe it's just a weird function of how English deals with Western Chinese. But anyway, tanpo tse la nei tse nei.

He first made his home and you'll see why this nei I'm doing is home and this nei I'm doing is something else. Ke u in pe That is, so ke u, ke u, that's living beings, right? And in pe can mean remote or also distant from or free of.

So ke u in pe, nei, nei, it's a place that's free of living beings. So he made his, he first made his home in a place free of others.

[Speaker 2]
Nice.

[Speaker 1]
So now, can I get a list of people? Let's see. I don't know how this program works anymore.

They keep changing it. Let's see. Who's here?

Venerable Gelsang, would you like to read? I was just gonna say I could read for you. Thank you.

[Speaker 3]
My internet's been really wonky, so hopefully it'll stay. Mi tang la yi dak pa por tung chuk tuk yur pe chu sung pa. Drah chen shing yi shil ney ney nga ney na ney nga, nga, na ney sa teng sa jri di la gyal gyur chik.

[Speaker 1]
Great. What's mi tang la? Do you know?

Well, I'm going to guess it's me and angels. Mi is a word for humans. Okay, angels and humans.

Yeah. Mi tang la. Yidaks.

Well, no, this is yi as in of. Okay. And then this is dak pa.

Do you know dak pa? Nope. It's lord.

Lord of humans and angels. Just like or just as the lord of humans and gods.

[Speaker 2]
Equally, he's equally the lord of humans and angels.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Chuk tuk gyur pa is a phrase that means the finest or the highest. You know chu, right?

Dharma. Yeah, so the highest dharma. You know sung pa?

No. That is an honorific word for to teach. Or so it's probably something more to say.

So it's probably like he bespoke the highest or the finest dharma. Dra chen sin. That's Rahula.

Of again. And here we've got this phrase again. Which is either from the mouth of or in the presence of.

Sa ten sa. So sa, do you know the word sa? Gyel se?

I think she's frozen. Sa is, you could say it's the ground or the earth. Ten is on the ground.

And then there's another sa. And this phrase apparently, sa ten sa means the space above the surface of the earth.

[Speaker 2]
Hmm.

[Speaker 1]
Now I'm not quite sure how to deal with this gyel chur chik. And that's because the two verses that follow end in gyel chur chik.

[Speaker 2]
Hmm.

[Speaker 1]
But this one, I'm just not sure. Is it, is this saying that what he bespoke prevailed throughout the world? Or is it saying, may this prevail throughout the world?

[Speaker 2]
May I attain the victory of the one who resided on the earth. Who was equally the boss of gods and humans. Who bespoke the highest dharma.

[Speaker 1]
I'm sorry, say that again.

[Speaker 2]
It's just saying may I attain that victory. It's like an ode. You know, because the next ones are like, may I attain the victory of Ari Nagarjuna.

And the next one, may I attain that same victory of, you know, Chandrakirti, master Chandrakirti. It's just, I think it's an ode. This first is an ode to the Buddha, I think.

Yeah, the gyel chur chik, I agree. It's a prayer to become that, or to achieve that. Okay.

Gyel chur chik.

[Speaker 1]
Let's see. Who else is here? Venerable Chunsam, could you read, please?

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
And this is another form of the verb we had above. That sounds very similar. Having found.

From this, from that. Daini. Daini here means thusness.

Thekchen, you know, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, Mahayana, great vehicle.

[Speaker 1]
Great vehicles, great. And Neljorpa?

[Speaker 2]
By practicing.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, or by the yoga.

[Speaker 2]
Right, right.

[Speaker 1]
Because apparently this is a phrase meaning the yoga of the greater vehicle. Would you just be the practice of the greater vehicle, right?

[Speaker 2]
Or the yogi.

[Speaker 1]
Thupa.

[Speaker 2]
To hear, hear.

[Speaker 1]
Right, and then it can also be, I mean, when you're hearing, you're studying, right? Studying something, you could say. But through hearing.

Well, we'll just continue on and then I'll show you what I thought was. Sa to. You know, it's Sa.

[Speaker 2]
Earth, land.

[Speaker 1]
But what's another use of Sa?

[Speaker 2]
Country.

[Speaker 1]
In relationship to a particular practice, those who practice the greater vehicle, they advance through Sa's. Levels. Levels.

Yeah. So tolp. Do you know tolp?

You know tolp.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know. Every day.

[Speaker 1]
Having attained. So attain the level.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Shen gi dun. You know Shen.

[Speaker 2]
To do it for the benefit of others or something.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, benefit of others, yeah. And sun. To take care of them.

Making great efforts. It's the.

[Speaker 2]
Effort. Sun. Sun.

Sun dru.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Sun dru. Okay.

Held in lu dru.

[Speaker 2]
Glorious. Glorious. Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so may the glorious Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 2]
May there be victory.

[Speaker 1]
Be victorious. Be victorious. I guess that's what word says it is.

[Speaker 2]
I think it's may I achieve that same level of victory as the glorious Nagarjuna. He already. Our Nagarjuna is already victorious.

Saraha is saying may I achieve that level.

[Speaker 1]
And he was a teacher of Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 2]
Right, he was.

[Speaker 1]
None of my teachers have ever said that about me.

[Speaker 2]
Not yet.

[Speaker 1]
No surprise, right guys? Okay. With the teacher of our Nagarjuna.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
That doesn't make sense. Yeah, so let's have a look here. It's like 800 years after.

Sorry, then we got the date wrong somewhere because our at least Geshe Michael has taught it that way many times.

[Speaker 1]
I think this is having attained it from that very one yogi of the greater way. Then he.

[Speaker 2]
Then he achieved those levels. For the good of others.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I don't know who we're talking about anymore. So hopefully. This one I believe is Nagarjuna.

And I said in the last line. I know his name is there, but. Yeah, I'm just unclear now about what this poem is about.

But let's move on. That's what I do when I'm unclear. Let's see Emily Chen.

Would you like to read these? Yeah, I would try. Thank you.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Your cheek. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay, so, daily daily having. It's something about. And then rich rich and is precious right so having.

Since we talked about attaining and teaching so maybe it's having attained the precious teachings. From him, whoever, whoever it is it's doing the, the attaining and whoever it is. Well we can guess that from him would be from regard to the garden and but must be.

Oh, that's what the topic is. Yeah. From having attained the teaching, the precious from him chicken soon.

[Speaker 2]
He's renowned in the three worlds.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the three worlds, and that could be either the desire realm for a moment foremost from or it could be among those under on and over the earth. But, but that's where he's renowned.

[Speaker 2]
Dupa collected.

[Speaker 1]
That's a collection. Jetsil said ocean. Oh chin, I think that we've got some like puns going on.

It. He could be making a punster reference to the six perfections. But here we're talking about, I think, crossing going to the other side of the great ocean of the collection.

And then, of course, is trying to cutie. So Jay, the clarifier. You know, I.

Yeah, it's a different Sarah who's writing this obviously. Or. It's because it's not can't be the one who's in the garden this teacher right because he definitely wouldn't be knowing who master Chandra Kirti is.

Well, unless it's at the same time. Right, that's true. It's, it's a judge and ensemble.

[Speaker 2]
Rahula what's his name, who, who is speaking these verses, I believe.

[Speaker 1]
Also known as. Sorry, I guess. So, Sarah.

Yeah, I guess you Michael seems to say that below. I'm guessing that your cheek. Now is just saying I pray to each and every one of these.

You know, I pray to message on security I pray to Nagarjuna.

[Speaker 2]
Your chick usually means may I may it be so right not.

[Speaker 1]
It is, it is an imperative, usually.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. And Gail here's may not be Victor.

[Speaker 1]
But, you know, victory to the teachings of Dalai Lama or something.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something general.

[Speaker 1]
So, stay tuned to when we get to this poem with the master translator Keshe Michael Roach. In a couple of months. So, hey, thank you for your, but there's that.

But that is that the quotation. Uh huh. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Is this an exact quotation that's listed there below.

[Speaker 2]
There, there it is right. Yeah, what book is that.

[Speaker 1]
There. So, right. Which is by Mr. No, it's a commentary on it. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Right. Yeah, so we don't know who wrote this but it's none of those three guys. It's a commentary on it.

[Speaker 2]
We can look that up in the next time.

[Speaker 1]
Well, thank you for going over. Thank you very much for being here, please remember to dedicate your waiter, the seeds that you created by being patiently observing and being here in this class, and we'll pick it up in the probably we'll get to this point in a couple months. Looking forward to it and thank you for class.

Thank you everybody for coming and participating to the mix nuts to our translators and to our glorious and shining team of technical assistance worldview production.

[Speaker 2]
Everybody. See you guys later.