Бетси Грир — Книга 2: Интерлюдия о пустоте, занятие 70

[Speaker 1]
All right. I like how you're ready to go. I can see the determination in your face.

I'm studying hard or something. Thank you. Hey, Geshe Michael.

Hi, Nikolai. How are you? What's the news?

I think we're about ready. Today, we've got exciting classes with Betz and with... Actually, after that, we have a Q&A, which I will announce in just a moment.

That's our two classes. Is that the one that Jaru is teaching? Let me ask him.

Nope. It's going to be rough. That was great.

Do you have any announcements, Geshe Michael? No, just my wife told me if I don't button that top button, she thinks I'm trying to pick up some... Anyway, sorry.

Pasta might say it's too wild. No, nothing new. We got peach tree news tomorrow, but today also, I guess.

Today and tomorrow. Gina's here. The famous Gina from Guadalajara is here.

Francisco's here. Yeah, we got all the smart... That's about all.

You know what, Paula? Let's go. This is interesting stuff today.

That means the old ones were confusing. I think they were interesting. Some people's interesting is pretty strange.

Yeah, well, I'm a strange bird. Yeah, birds of a feather. Welcome.

What's the second half? It's a lot together. So we're going to...

Sorry. We're going to begin with... Sorry.

...with a quiz on our last class with Geshe Michael, which was in December of last year. Let's just jump right in. You make it sound like a long time ago.

It wasn't that long ago. It was also on the other side of the world. Right.

I was on the other side of the world. You were on the other side of the world. So Kendra J was continuing the discussion of the need to interpret certain sutras.

And he gave us two distinct ways that we must interpret other meanings for those sutras that require interpretation. So we're not talking here about the general division between what is literal and what is figurative. But what are the two ways that we interpret that which must be interpreted?

Wrongly and rightly. What are the two right ways that he gave for interpreting that which must be interpreted? And he gave us an example.

One example for each of the ways. Rob Haggerty said the idea that you could get more by giving things away. And Lindsay said kill your father, kill your money.

Okay, those are the two examples. Rob, what is the first example of? What is the first?

How to get, I don't know, more money? Literally, literally, literally as opposed to figuratively. You just had a delicate guess in my car.

Whitney, which one has to be interpreted? Both of them do. That's what the question is regarding.

But what is, you know, from wealth comes, or wealth comes from giving. What is that an example of? What I'm looking for here.

Maybe one you are supposed to follow literally and one you're not supposed to follow. No, they're both about us. They're both about having to interpret sutras.

But when we're thinking about the ultimate state of things, when we're looking at sutras that are not appropriate for us to take literally, what do we have to do? We have to go searching for the ultimate in the figurative. And his example was the sutra where the Buddha talks about wealth coming from giving.

And then this. Dear Upala, I loved how you said that that example has to be textplained. Did I say that?

Yeah, it was adorable use of that idea of mansplaining. It had to be textplained. Oh, I didn't understand that.

Let me tell you what that means. So hopefully you're clear. That's got to be true now.

That's got to be true. Kind of clear on that now? That when we're looking for like the essential nature of something, when we're looking at a sutra where it's not appropriate for us to take it as literal, we have to dig around.

We have to search and find and interpret what the ultimate is in the figurative. And then the second one is what we would think. So when even when thinking about the deceptive state of things, when we're talking about sutras that directly teach what is not suitable to be taken as true, we must interpret another meaning.

And the example for that one is kill your father and your mother. Cool? Yep.

Yay. Okay. So then Kedar J quotes Master Kamalashila in Light on the Middle Way.

I know. And Master Kamalashila presents two aspects of what it means to say that something is of literal meaning. And I think, as I recall, even though I was on another side of the planet, that both Adam, I shouldn't say both, that Adam and Tim and Ben were very happy to hear the first of these two aspects.

That's the hint. He said any explanation that's based on an accurate perception and is related to ultimate truth. Oh, Rebecca just said that pretty much.

Yay. So with that, we have completed the first part of Kedar J's explanation of the fourth and final section of his book. And this part we started in August 2021.

So congratulations to those of you who have made it alive to now. So let's just take a moment to recall the four major sections of Interlude on Emptiness and the three parts of the fourth section, the second of which we're just about to jump into. Not me.

So here's a nice blank screen. You can project. Nope.

I just thought it was a good guess. Why do we need to understand emptiness? That's how we started out.

Oh, nice. Okay. So then does that give everyone a clue about what might be next?

How do we understand emptiness? Not quite. But what are the benefits of understanding?

Okay. That's a good clue. And then the third one is related to all of us.

Are there schools ideas about emptiness? It's about what kind of student is suitable to be taught about emptiness. Oh, one that we've used.

And then the fourth is what is the definitive understanding of emptiness? And the three parts of that, the first of which we should all be really familiar with, right? Who can tell me?

Mind only school. No. Which teachings of the Buddha must be interpreted and which can be taken at face value.

Oh, right. Because you just said we just finished. Yeah, we just finished that, guys.

Yay. Oh. Next, what we're going to jump into now are what are the books of Arya Nagarjuna and the commentaries on his true intent of those writings.

And then third and finally, and probably the vast majority of the book, is what is the definitive understanding of emptiness based on those books? Oh. Somebody said that.

Yay. Okay, here comes some vocab. Is there an English equivalent?

So it means measure, like say? Yeah, the measure of a thing. Yay.

What's the... What is interpret other meanings? There are many ways to say this, but...

How many words? One, two, three. Well, one is a contraction, four.

Yeah. Not, not, not conducive. Not, not?

Without conflict. Yeah, yeah. The definition of the enchiladas today.

Without conflict. No conflict. Yeah, without conflict.

There is no conflict. Yay. Thank you.

We are here. I don't think so. Actually, it's going to get easy now.

I think so. It gets, it gets easy. Did you have any translating homework?

I had no translating, but you wanted me to write a footnote, and so if you just want to see that, and let's see if I did, if I did what you wanted me to do. I wasn't entirely clear. You wanted me to write a footnote.

Okay. I'm going to blow it up a little bit. I guess.

Oh, there we go. What was the statement that it's a footnote to? Just saying that, you know, the, the Buddha prophesied Arya Nagarjuna, and Arya Nagarjuna wrote some books.

He wrote many books. Oh, okay. And then you copied in this long list of 141 titles and said, please write a footnote about this.

Okay, that's good. That's fine. That's good.

Yeah, I think a lot of people think that he only wrote how many books? Six. Six famous books by Nagarjuna.

But when we worked on it, when we did Nick's book, his first book, we found 143 or something, 141. Yeah. Just fun.

Good. Okay. I like it.

Okay, cool. And then the next piece of homework is not something I can display. You wanted to know what…

K.J.J. mentioned a book called Shuddha Japa. Shuddha what? Japa.

So, The Hundred Kinds of Wisdom. Japa, okay. And you asked me to look at it and see, is it what we think it is?

Is it about the nature of reality, basically? Is it about emptiness? And I'm not entirely sure what it is about, but it did talk about these different kinds of wisdom.

I didn't look at all the 100 of them, but there's like a wisdom about not being poor by giving money to your parents. There's a wisdom about not getting… being free of being rained on by using an umbrella.

That's pretty wise. There's like these different sorts of… Hmm, I don't know exactly, really, what it's about.

Okay. But… Sounds like everyday wisdom, maybe.

Right, something like everyday wisdom. It did talk about ni nam, so, you know, like the wisdom of men, right? Or the wisdom of humans.

So, maybe that's what it's about? It sounds like some… Sometimes they do like folk books or something.

Okay. All right, let's get to work. Thank you for your homework.

Thank you for spending the time on it. You always do, and I appreciate it. Here it is.

Yeah, as far as I can tell, we've almost been at it four and a half years. Right? Am I right?

Since your last book. Yeah, I think so. And we could finish a first volume in about a year, just over a year or something.

Okay, so then we could publish your second book and maybe get it going in about a year. We finished the hard part, for sure, and now we're on the easy part. Okay.

Can you read this first one and we'll go together? Let me get a big cursor up here for you. Okay, here we go.

Okay. RIN ZHIN PHRENG BA'I RNAM ZE CING Nice, very good. Okay, so they're talking about the understood subject of the sentence is Arya Nagarjuna.

And it's kind of a huge relief to reach the middle way section. We're done with the mind-only section. It was painful, and it's going to be fun to do the final translation.

But this next couple years of work is going to be rather easy. And it's stuff that you know. I don't think there's going to be a lot that you don't know.

But we'll see. What is the name of her book? In Tibetan, I don't know.

IN CHEN PO'I DANG NAM CING It's an unusual word. DUN DUG means? The Big Vacation on Emptiness or something like that.

Interlude. Interlude on Emptiness. And there's more than one book named that.

SKYES PAR GSAL MO'I DGOS MA'I LAM SEL BA'I So more particularly, he SEL BA'I the DGOS MA'I LAM. What's that mean? He clarified.

Rob says he clarified the LAM. The Path of the Middle Way. Yeah, and then he used LUNG and RIG.

Oh, I wanted to ask you a question about this one. Is it his particular expertise wasn't clarifying the Path of the Middle Way? Is that the SKYES PAR GSAL MO'I at the beginning?

Oh, it just means he wrote many... he wrote 141 great books, but his specialty was emptiness at the end. Okay.

Great, thank you. Middle Way. It just means what he's remembered for, really.

Although we're going to do bodhisattva vows in Kyoto, and we will use his ceremony. It's very beautiful. So anyway, DEG PA NA NYID, first he used LUNG.

Scriptural authority? Yeah, he just quoted scripture. He did not reason it out.

And BYAR NAS means... he wrote a book. BYAR means to compose something.

It also can mean to cook food, prepare food. So he prepared something about NGES DON, about the real meaning, right? And he used RDOG KUN LAS LTOS PA.

He used a... SUTRA SAMUCHAYA. What did he use?

SUTRA SAMUCHAYA. STANLEY SAMUCHAYA. A condensed version of a sutra?

Yeah, and this is interesting, because I think people wrote great sutra samuchayas, and whenever you see it in a book, you have to figure out which one they're talking about. But they just went and wrote down their favorite quotations from sutra in a row. And that's all.

And that can be very effective. Like if I said, make a 30-page class reading out of all your favorite readings from the Middle Way. And you're like, that's nuts, or something like that.

That would be a samuchaya. So he did do that, where he's just... that's just loom.

That's just quotations. But what he's more famous for is RIG PA. Logic.

Logical reasoning. Yeah, and they call this RIG TSOG RDUG, right? RIG TSOG RDUG, the Six Books on Reasoning.

And our author's trying to give us an idea of what RIG means by opposing it to loom, okay? Got it? Like loom rig.

When you say RIG TSOG RDUG, it means as opposed to a samuchaya of sutra quotations, okay? He's made it very clear in a beautiful way. RIG PA'I LTON PA RIG TSOG GZHUNG What's GZHUNG mean?

Old main texts. Main works. Yeah, classic.

I would say a classic, or a great book. Okay. What's the...

for a hundred dollars, what's the other two meanings of GZHUNG? Like a highway? Government.

That's one word. It could be a highway, like GZHUNG LAM. I...

that's... that's... I asked for two for a hundred dollars.

That's like you're selling me one carrot instead of two carrots. The course of a river? No, I said the government and the highway, those are two different ones.

Okay, cancel the bet. It also means government, the federal government, okay? That is what Word said.

Word said two thousand dollars. I thought he said horse or something. Didn't he say main road?

Didn't you say main road? It's a highway.

[Speaker 3]
Government.

[Speaker 1]
Did he say, oh, government, okay, all right, a hundred dollars for a word. Who governs it? No, okay.

[Speaker 3]
All right, anyway.

[Speaker 1]
RIG TSOG GZHUNG here... Here it means great book. So it's not collection of works of logic.

It means major. Major entity, which is the federal government. Major highway.

GZHUNG LAM DE BA GZHUNG is the federal government. GZHUNG LAM is the path. And then GZHUNG as a classic.

So here are the six, okay? Number one. TSA'O SHES RAB, Root Textile Wisdom.

Yeah, and by the way, I don't know if he ever called it TSA'O SHES RAB. Yeah, he called it SHES RAB. And people keep trying to make his words longer, and that wasn't his style.

He named the book SHES RAB. And then people call it UMMA TSA'O SHES RAB or something like that. I think he'd be irritated.

Okay, a second one. RIG PA'I DRIB CHUG PA, Sixty Verses on Reasoning. Yeah, and that can be a deceptive title, why?

Sixty-one. No, I mean, no. It's not really logical reasoning.

Most of it is. No, it's not. It's proofs of emptiness.

And so I think when you translate that title, which we had for Nick's book, what did we call it? Nothing is the way it seems. Nothing is the way it seems.

We didn't say sixty-one. It's logic. You want to kill a book sales?

Call it Sixty Verses on Logic. Okay. And it's not logic.

It's how to figure out emptiness. It's much more sexy. Okay, how about STONG NI DRIB CHUG PA?

Seventy Verses on Emptiness. Yeah, Seventy Verses on Emptiness. How about TSUN DOG with a heavy pre-nasal, with that ZL ZLA?

Coleslaw. Ending all argument. Yeah, TSUN DOG.

Yeah. Putting an end to all... literally turning back.

ZL has meanings of contradiction, like DA BA. SHU MON NAM THAG? Crushing to a fine dust.

Yeah, THAG is what you do to grain to crush it into flour. Or if you crush an aspirin into powder or something, that's called THAG PA. So he's crushing other guy's arguments.

Alright. Then the third one. Sixth one, sorry.

RIN CHEN DRANG BA String of Precious Jewels. So from the point of view of just quotations, he wrote the Sutra Samuccaya, a collection of sutra quotations, and then he wrote six logic works, six books on logic. Now there's a fight about which are the sixth.

And I thought you might like to poke your nose in there so that we don't finish this book too quickly. As long as you stick around for the whole thing, Geshe Michael, we can poke our noses anywhere you want. I'm working on it.

My kidney numbers are... Okay, so this is an excerpt from Nick's introduction, which I think is really good. So there's a discussion of yukti, which proves that the point here was logic.

Yukti means logic. And then here's Bhutan Rinpoche. He put together the Kagyu and Tengu.

Maybe he knows about books. 4,600 books he put together. So maybe he would be qualified to say what are the six classics of Buddhism.

He says 70 verses on emptiness, root text on wisdom, 60 verses on reasoning, ending all argument, crushing to fine dust. But then the sixth one he disagrees. He says it's not the precious jewels or whatever it is, Letter to a King.

The one that Nick's working on now. He disagrees about the sixth one. If that's not enough, Khenpo, Khenpo Dargye's teacher, Sarah Jetson Chukwigyansen, textbook writer from the inferior half of Sarah.

He says root text on wisdom, crushing to a fine dust, 70 verses, ending all argument, sundok. I don't see five here. Nope, I don't either.

I don't either. We got to check, Nicholas. It's got to be 60 verses there.

I just didn't put a number, yeah.

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Uh-oh.

[Speaker 1]
So he agrees with... K.W.J. He agrees with the author, K.W.J. That makes sense. Here's the punchline.

Here's the punchline. What does Je Tsongkhapa think? Okay.

Root text on middle way, ending all argument, 70 verses, 60 verses, crushing to a fine dust. And then he discusses the discrepancy, which is So Tsongkhapa. Some add proof of words, or some add String of Precious Jewels, or some people add the book he wrote called I Don't Fear Anything at All.

Still others say that the 70 verses on emptiness isn't... And then he says this position is mistaken. But he doesn't say what it should be.

No, I don't think he did. Unless he's using the book that we're in. I don't know.

Anyway, you guys can cook it. Make a nice footnote. I think so.

I always get irritated because I get confused by this part. I'm going to push this down. Who would you like to read Venerable Utpala?

I would like Venerable Chunzong. Sorry, Chunzong, if you could read, please. Okay.

By the way, he's going to explain the function of each of the six. Okay? What did each book emphasize?

Nagarjuna. Okay. DE YANG CHU BYA BSTAN GNOD DGOS PA'I RIG PA BSTAN GNOD BSTAN GNOD DGOS PA'I RIG PA RIG PA THON PA ZA WA SHER UB THON TEN YU DU PE TU CHE SHEN NGI TAK PEI THOK GI SIK DUN CHU DU LA SO PA GOG PA SIM MO NAMU ZE LA ZU ZU LOG NU ZA DZUN LOGS NYID SA SHES REG BYED DANG PO LAS GROG PA STE Nice.

Okay, nice reading. By the way, he has a new word here, Venerable Utpala, DEN NGOS, which I haven't seen. I don't know if I've ever seen it.

But he made an abbreviation out of DEN DUG GI NGOS PO, something which could exist in reality. And he called it a real thing. A real thing.

He made up a new word, real thing. He didn't say DEN DUG GI NGOS PO. He should have said DEN DUG GI NGOS PO.

He said, oh, DEN NGOS, real thing. So some people were trying to DRUG BYA DEN NGOS. They're trying to prove real things.

Prove it. And he turned around and GOG BYA it, GAG BYA it. He refuted that.

Yeah, he refuted it, GOG BYA. And he used a great amount of logic. And that's how...

by the way, each one of the books here is described in the phrase before it. So he says, that book, which used wonderful logic to stop the idea of a wolf farm, which was Sawashiro. The root text.

So we got one down. We've got five to go. Now he's going to introduce SHIB MO NAM THAG, crushing other ideas to powder.

And he says, DEN GYI NGOS, real thing. DEN NGOS, DRUG BYA, that's a strange verb. Yeah, let's prove real thing.

Did Nagarjuna write a book to prove real things? No, we've got to keep going. There's a GOG BYA there somewhere.

Other people carried DRUG BYA. They brought proofs for real thing. Then that's just BDAG PA.

What does BDAG PA here mean? It's imaginary. They just made up proofs for why things are not empty.

Why they're real things. BDAG PA'I RTOG BSKYED means... RTOG BSKYED means logic, but sometimes it means kind of blah blah logic.

They brought their blah blah logic, which was SIG DANG PHYIR DUG, 16 different logical arguments in support of... Real things. Real things.

Then this book, GOG PA'I STAD. It's against the 16 proofs. That book kind of crushes them into powder, so it's called...

crushing into powder. SHING MO NAM THAM All right. Tse, he wrote the book called SHING MO NAM THAM.

Then he pauses and he says LA. In a long sentence, it means he's going on to sort of an additional topic. He says, and...

it's a slow and. Then there was TSUN DOG. It's a little difficult because all the descriptions up to here have been adjectival clauses before the word, and now he flips.

So he says, oh, and don't forget TSUN DOG, which means blocking other people's arguments. And then he describes its function. It's a TSAR SHES RAB BYED DANG PO LAS SPROS PA STE.

SPROS PA means... Elaboration? Extension?

Spin-off? Agent. Elaboration.

We see SPROS PA a lot in the BDAG GIS. Emanation. To shine.

Like shining light. And textually, SPROS PA means to take a little piece of scripture and expand on it. Like you take a little chunk from wisdom.

You take a line from wisdom and you blow it up into a book. That's called SPROS PA. This is where Nagarjuna himself went to parts of his most famous book, took out a verse, and wrote the new book based on that one verse.

Cool? Which is really cool. I mean, you could have a whole AI structure based on the new AI that came out yesterday.

Or G-I-G-P-T. Any AI that suggests that the best way to keep cheese on top of a pizza is to glue it. He replaced it.

Okay. I mean, it's logical, but it's illogical. Maybe it's because he didn't have to eat it.

Anyway, SA SHES RAB. Okay, double letter. And then he gives you the verse that he used as the basis for a new book.

He gives you the verse. Geshe-la, I have a couple questions there. He uses SHES RAB.

He spells it differently. Oh, I was going to make a point about that so I could look smart. It's an acceptable corruption in Tibetan philosophical literature to refer to TSAR BA SHES RAB as SA SHI, SA SHI.

And you actually change the spelling. You just call it, it's an acceptable variant. So instead of saying TSAR BA SHES RAB, instead of saying TSAR BA SHI, you say SA SHI.

And you cut the suffix letter. It's pretty rare linguistically, but it's popular. So in that case, the RAB goes with the J and not with the SHES.

Yeah, RAB RJ means... Okay, this is an interesting thing which you guys probably remember. Different great books have different words for the word chapter.

The chapters in Abhidharmakosha are called sthana, ne, place. Chapters in TSAR BA SHES RAB are called sem kye, first bodhicitta, second bodhicitta. It's very confusing.

So he's trying to help us a little bit. RAB RJ means chapter. Okay, great.

Thank you. Yeah, he says, in fact I'll give you the words that are used, are pulled out of wisdom in order to write stopping all arguments. And they are, who's going to read that?

Cutting, could you read please? Thank you Venerable Upala. NGOS PO NAM KYI RANG SHIN NI KHYEN LA SOGS LA YIN MA YIN SHES GSUNGS PA LA Yay, love it.

Let's try to translate it even though it's cryptic. NGOS PO Is the first line the true nature of things? Yeah, the true nature of things.

Does not exist in circumstances and such? There's a terrible miscarriage. KHYEN LA SOGS LA YIN MA YIN Yeah, you don't find the nature of things in their causes.

Self-existent. There's nothing about a corn seed which could grow corn if you didn't have the right mental seeds to make it happen. Pens don't write.

That's what he's saying. It's very beautiful. Then I went and got it for you just so we could quote it properly, and there it is.

By the way, every time you go to the database to confirm a reading, which is how we confirmed that the YOD PA was miscarred, you have to capture the page number. So that's why there's so much quotation here. Actually, we only needed the one line, but we wanted to catch the page number.

The footnote will need the page number. Then somebody else can go and confirm it. Yeah, we're a minute away now.

This is going to be cool. Thanks. I mean, at least it's familiar to us, ever since your Lam Rim did this.

This is where the story was written from. Subconsciously, everything will be familiar here. Much better than the Mind-Only School.

Subconsciously. Here's another quotation. Who's going to read it, Rupali?

Could you continue, please? Certainly. Stop laughing.

Yay, thank you. By the way, all of you who know Tibetan, gun la here doesn't mean to everything or in everything in the second line. It means completely.

Here it means completely. So ngopo means what? Things.

Anything. Tam che? All of them.

Yeah, all things. rang shin me Self-nature. They don't have any self-nature.

You just said yu min means me. They don't have any self-nature. tun la Completely.

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At all.

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In English you have to change. Nothing in the world has any nature at all. Okay.

na If that's the case, if it's the case that nothing in the universe has any nature, then your cigs are also rang shin me. Then your words are also without self-nature. Yeah, the words you use to explain to a snagarjuna that nothing has any nature of its own, they also have no nature, right?

It's a criticism of nagarjuna. Got it? Since you say nothing has any nature, then the words you're using to tell us that also have no nature of their own.

Right? Nagarjuna has to say yes. And they say, then, if those words have no inherent force, then mi nu.

mi nu pa They're powerless to self-nature. They would be powerless to dokpa rang shin. They'd be powerless to deny that things could have their own nature.

Cool. It's a nice argument. And that's, by the way, that's serpa of the other guy.

You see? He's coming back at nagarjuna. Then nagarjuna's going to have to do what to that serpa?

He's going to dokpa it. He's going to have to baslog it. He's going to have to dok it.

Got it? Okay. So that's what he's going to smash to dust in his book.

Yeah. No, this is the book called Blocking Logic. It's not the smash book.

Sorry. What's important to understand is that the logic mentioned is the other person's logic. He said, if everything's empty, then how can your words describe it?

And then he doks that argument. You see? So the serpa in chen dok is a good serpa or a bad serpa?

The serpa is bad and the dokpa is good. Good. We're fighting bad logic.

You could say bad logic in the title and it'd be sexy. Wrath with bad logic, which is what every married person does daily. All right.

Who's next? Jigme, are you around? Oh, no, I think she's in Phoenix.

Gyelse, are you around? I saw her. Oh, here she is.

Hang on, she's coming. I'm coming.

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It's important.

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It's important. Yeah.

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No, I'm sorry. Oh, that day.

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Yeah. When it hasn't passed.

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I haven't gotten it. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the last word here is serpa. Who's serpa? The other guy.

Yeah, the other guy. Okay, so everything before that is the other guy's argument. And then we're going to dok it in the next line.

Okay. Wow, she got away. All right.

No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Okay, Utpala, let's read it. gyal te ngupo tam che rangshin mepa yin Okay, if it's the case that nothing has its own self-nature...

Good. And by the way, yeah, in English you have to flip it. Then gyul kyi tsik.

Then your words have no self-nature. Yeah, if it's the truth that everything in the universe has no self-nature, then the words you're using to fight with me have no nature either. Okay?

And if that's the case, dey tan na, well, if that's the case, then how can... tsik de shen kyi rangshin yupa tam che pa gokpa How can those six gokpa... Refuse.

...rangshin yupa? Your words. Yeah, if it's the case that nothing in the universe has any nature, then the words you're using, Nagarjuna, to fight with us don't have any nature either.

Then those words cannot be used to defeat the position of other people that there is a self-nature to things. If your words don't have any self-nature, then they can't be used to prove to other people that there is no self-nature. Okay.

Got it? You okay? And further, further, A, they can't be used to disprove to other people that things do have a self-nature, and they cannot be used to prove that things don't have a self-nature.

Okay, got it? And that's the second part of the sentence here. rangshin meypar rang luk dru Yeah, this rang luk, what's that mean?

Your own position. Whose position? Nagarjuna's.

The other guy's talking, he says, well, if words don't have any nature of their own, then you can't prove anything, and you can't disprove it. You can't disprove anything, and you can't prove it. Okay?

You can't disprove our position, and you can't prove your position. rangshin meypar rang luk dru Then he makes a dual verb. gak dru gak dru Refuting and proving?

Refutes or denies, or refutes and proves. You can't deny the one and prove the other. gak dru denapru denapru You can't deny one and prove the other.

Therefore, and here's the clincher for a Nagarjunian student, cha je mi te Very famous. Say cha je. cha je mi te What's that mean?

It's not a correct actor? That's not how things function. It's not correct to say that's how things work.

Yeah, the whole way that stuff works in the world must be wrong. It's a very, very famous phrase. cha means thing to be done.

che means doer. cha je means to do stuff. mi te It must be that nothing in the universe works.

You get in your car and just floor it and nothing moves. Well, that is the case sometimes. Okay, gyur drang.

Now he makes a pun for $50 across these two lines. dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun Without logic, but it's Oh, You said $50 is not significant. You said super, right?

unless it starts with 100.

[Speaker 3]
sundog Who said sundog?

[Speaker 1]
I think that was Gibson. Oscar. It sounded like Oscar.

Yeah, Gibson, you got 50 bucks, okay. This paragraph ends in, the other guy's trying to argue, blah, blah, blah. The last word here is SOD PA.

That guy's trying to argue, duh, duh, duh. And then, DE SDONG. We refute it.

We block it. And K.W.J.'s making a joke. Okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, SOD PA.

And then, DONG. And that's why the book's called SON DONG. Right?

It's a joke. Okay. I think, I think Jeru was tickling you, Nick, or somebody else.

All right, who's going to read, who's going to read? Let's see. Bertha, are you available?

Are you translating? Must be translating. Roxanna, could you read, please?

Of course. Lovely, thank you. Nice, nice reading.

So to block that kind of thinking, he drupas and he dokpas. What's that mean? Nagarjuna drupas and he dokpas.

He's going to prove something. He's going to disprove something. He's going to prove...

I'm sorry, he's going to gokpa shenlup. He's going to block the other guy's idea. Okay?

He's going to block the other guy's idea using rangshen meype tsik, words that have no... Words that don't have no nature. Yeah.

By the way, he never said they have no nature. He said they have no nature of their own. They have a nature which is imposed by our seeds.

Okay? Got it? So yeah, I'm going to block the other guy, but with words that have no nature of not coming from my mind.

Okay? And I'm also going to drupa ranglung. That's easy.

I'm going to prove my position. I'm going to prove my position. I can gok and I can drup.

Gak drup, gok drup. Genpa tunpa. The whole point of the book is to go into great detail on how words can prove things or disprove things, even though they have no nature of their own.

The whole book was about that. Okay? Why is language, especially between people, functional if the meanings are coming from each person individually?

How can you have a conversation? How can you have a debate if both sides are coming from the same person? You know?

It seems crazy. Yeah, it seems impossible. Okay.

Genpa tunpa means the whole rest of the book, he explained how people can interact with words which are not shared. Okay? They are not shared, but communication still happens.

It's kind of radical. It's kind of beautiful. So he devoted a whole book to the emptiness of communication, which should be...

It's the last thing that should be empty. Okay? Everyone should be able to say what they want.

You know? Okay. Septon and oligarchy.

All right. Okay. Okay.

Now he's covered two of the Garjuna's books. He's... He's kind of explaining what in this section.

Well, what the books are about, but... Yeah, he's justifying each of the... Yeah.

Why did he bother to write more books after Wisdom? You know? Well, he was clarifying certain sections of Wisdom.

And then he went off on... What do you call that? He expanded on points, on important points in Wisdom.

Who's going to read... Oh, by the way, in five minutes, three minutes, grandpa's going to go sit down and smoke. No, just kidding.

And then Venerable Utpal is going to lead a discussion about how can you use this in your real life? I think you could tell your wife or husband, look, even the Garjuna said we can't communicate. So...

All right. So Maxine, if you could continue, because I know you're a fast reader. Yeah.

Okay. Good, very nice. I'm going to also translate it fast.

DONG NYID DONG SPYOD PA So the third book he mentioned, which is the Seventy Verses, which we haven't worked on yet. My dream in my life is that Nick finishes all six, and we're working on it. We did one already, we're on the second one.

DONG NYID DONG SPYOD PA The Seventy Verses on Emptiness is DROD PA from the Seventh Chapter of Wisdom. It expands on the Seventh Chapter. Yeah, it's extracted or expands.

Like DROD PA means? To shine light. Yeah.

Okay. What's MED LONG YOD BDAG PA? The clear mirror.

Mirror. And it's a word for a bald head. And it DROD, DROD.

It DROD our light. It gives light. Okay, so don't forget.

Okay, in that chapter they say things are like a MED LONG. Things are like a DROD PA. You mean?

Things are like a RGYUD MA. They're like an illusion. Maya, yeah.

Bad carving error here. Things are like the CI SA. Smell eater.

Preta, city. This is a famous example where you see a city on a hill and then you run there and there's nothing there. Because it's called the city of the pretas.

CHUNG KHYER CI DU. Similar to those three examples, a dream, an illusion by a magician, and what... like the river water that pretas...

which is illusion. They can never drink it. They run to it and they can't get it.

Just the same is RGYAS GNAS... I'm sorry. RGYAS GNAS and RGYIGS.

Three things. RGYAS GNAS and RGYIGS. Starting, staying, and stopping.

Starting, staying, and stopping. The starting and staying and stopping of all things is like a mirage. It's like a dream.

It's like a city of the pretas. It looks like it's there, but it's not there. Cool?

And then he says, ZHES PA LA RGYAL BA'I LEN DU ZHUNG DE BYAS PA YIN NA Somebody was offended by this statement. What do you mean getting born... Aldo and Ria just had Nila.

Right? And then what? You say that he wasn't born?

You tell that to Ria. Okay. I asked Aldo today, How's Ria?

He says, She's getting there. So anyway, RGYAL BA'I LEN DU Somebody's trying to fight with Nagarjuna. He says, Well, you don't have to worry.

The birth of a baby wasn't hard. It was like an illusion. Probably Aldo could have done it just as well.

Okay. RGYAL BA'I LEN DU And then ZHUNG DE BYAS means he made that ZHUNG. He wrote that ZHUNG.

An important book. Major classic. Yeah.

He wrote that... Arya Nagarjuna wrote that major classic in response to complaints about how things could start, stay, or stop. Okay.

Cool? Cool. So we finished three.

We got more to go. And now, I have witnesses. Section 434, Section 435, and Section 436 are going to be translated by Venerable Upala for the next class.

Okay. Thank you so much, Geshe Michael. All right, I'm getting out of here.

You go ahead. Thank you. Thank you so much, Geshe Michael.

I'm going to interject my voice for only one brief moment. After this Q&A, I mean, after this, sorry, after this 15-minute discussion, and then the Peachtree World News, we will have a one-hour Q&A with Professor Dr. Seiji Arao. So lucky us.

Lucky you guys. Please attend. He's a wealth of knowledge.

Okay, take it away. So, let's see. We talked about that Arya Nagarjuna used scripture, and then he also used logical arguments in his books on emptiness.

We talked about why it is that, or at least, was it three of them? Why he wrote the three. So far, that's what we've covered.

So probably the most provocative one is about how can words that have no meaning be used to prove or disprove anything? Anyone provoked by that? I think it's a particularly fun topic to discuss, because it's so, like, it's just so interesting for, especially people who are new to studying this stuff, and your mind starts getting blown by the fact that things don't exist the way you thought they did.

And it's sometimes easy in big or subtle ways to slide into the idea that things don't exist at all, or because things don't exist the way that I thought that they did, then nothing works or nothing's real, which is, according to Nagarjuna and Gyaltsabje, one of the most dangerous things that we could ever get stuck thinking. So I think this is a great discussion to be having to help make sure we don't get stuck thinking like that, maybe. So my experience has been so far in my 45 years on this planet is that things seem to function.

Go. Well, I'm so, I rejoice, Nick, that things seem to function for you. Not always well.

Oh, okay, okay. But some stuff keeps happening. Even my beard got gray in the last few years.

Stuff keeps happening. Yep. So what's a practical aspect?

I mean, I'm trying to open this discussion up to how others might think about it. I've had fun debates where people tried to prove to me very vigorously that nothing is real and so far and that nothing exists. Well, I know that in my life, communication seems to be like one of the very big, like negativity surrounds communication for me my whole life.

And whether I say something and it's never heard by anyone, even though I repeatedly say it, or whether I say something and it's misunderstood, even though I tried to define it very well. Like that's proof to me that words have no self nature. Because no matter how I try to either repeat in different languages or with different volumes of voice, or whether I try to explain or define or characterize, that doesn't necessarily help.

Totally. Whether or not I communicate or have communication at all, and whether anyone is understanding me at all right now actually, has nothing to do with me, has nothing to do with the sounds coming out of my throat. And how does that relate to what I just said at all?

Just kidding.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
I guess that happens in 65 years of existence on the planet.

[Speaker 2]
I've got something I'd like to share.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, please.

[Speaker 2]
Thinking as a newbie, thinking if I had just read this argument for the first time, if I'm off the street and this is sort of an investigation, it suspends, like I can understand both sides of the argument, right? Or it makes me question both sides of the argument. And so I know now that when I go home to my partner or to my colleague at work, and there is some miscommunication, at least it invites me to investigate what's actually going on.

Instead of wanting to prove my position only or to debate and say you're wrong and I'm right. So already just by having the two sides of the debate, it invites just a lay person to question reality. And that investigation itself should lead you to wisdom.

So that's what I loved about it. The other thing that I didn't understand why Nagarjuna didn't say to the other guy, that your words that you're using to say that there's no meaning to his words, they have no meaning.

[Speaker 1]
But his words really don't have any meaning. Really? Thank you, Bess.

That's my two cents. Thanks, Roy. Thank you so much, Hector.

You're welcome. I think it's a nice reason to be very careful. Oh, go ahead.

Cutting, please. I just had a short two cents to follow up on Hector's two cents. Was that I noticed for me when I have a breakdown in communication, I use it as a gardening hint.

Oh, I need to purify this particular seed in my communication garden. And because it's all seeds ripening, that's all it is. And things function because seeds are ripening.

So if I have a problem in clarity, then I know I need to purify that. If I have a problem and somebody's not believing me, then I know I have to purify mine. So it's a good indicator, those problems.

Okay, Ben, take it away. I agree. And it takes time in our practice to find success in the things we want to tell people.

We hear exciting ideas. And some of you have friends and family who want to hear about what you're learning. But sometimes our family doesn't want to hear it.

And they would like you to keep your ideas to yourself and stop bothering them. Stop bothering your poor family about all your new brilliant ideas. And do your practice and take care of people and take care of your family and make them something to eat and see what they need.

And then the day may just come when they ask you and you're not tapping them on the shoulder, but you plant the seeds for them to want to know why it is that you're so happy and you're so good at knowing just what they need in each moment. And then your words can be quite effective, it seems, on the day that you've saved up the goodness of taking kind, sweet care of the people around you. And then they come to you and say, hey, how did you get here?

How did you know? How did you know what I need? How did you know to watch my eyes?

How did you get like this? Why are you smiling? Why are you smiling all the time?

[Speaker 3]
Thanks, Ben. Can I contribute one idea? Yes, please.

Yeah. So there's an idea that pops up in my mind when I listen to the emptiness of the word that the word doesn't have any old nature. You know, like when we listen to Geshe Michael teaching or when we read his book, you know, that's at the first time, it's like when we don't have enough seed, then we cannot understand it at all or we just can understand very little.

But after a few years, after the time that serving ACI, serving other people, and then we read the book again, or maybe we listen to the teaching again, and then there is new understanding. It pops up in our mind. So that is my idea, that if we keep learning, if we keep attending the class with the purpose that's serving more and more people, then we plant more seeds so we could have better understanding.

So it's proof that there is no old nature in words. Yeah. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, Tin.

[Speaker 3]
I want to share a story.

[Speaker 1]
Okie dokie.

[Speaker 3]
One time in some South Asia country, there's a student, really want to ask Geshe a question. I think at that time he was too busy. So I thought maybe I can help a little bit.

So I listened to her question and she described in details. And then I heard, I listened, and I thought, I think the best thing she can do is coffee meditation. So I gave her a very simple answer.

You should do more coffee meditation. And then she was not satisfied at all. She's like, no, no, no.

There's much deeper answer to that. My question is difficult. There must be a deeper approach.

And then somehow two days later, she found a way to ambush Geshe-la. And then she asked the whole question again. I was translating.

So you can know my feeling. And then Geshe-la's answer is, I think you should do more coffee meditation.

[Speaker 1]
Then she's like, yeah, that's what I should do. It's the same words somehow have very different effect. That's my story.

That's a great story. Thank you. That reminds me of teaching the pen myself and then having people just debate me and argue with me about anything about the pen or emptiness.

And then you see these recordings of Geshe Michael teaching it back in the early days or watch him teach it now. And everybody's mind is just blown. Nobody's arguing with him.

Thank you, everyone, for being so engaged with this text. And may it plant the seeds for us to be forever engaged with this text. And now, Juan, what's the news?

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Utpala. Thank you very much. So today we have to move quickly because we have a lot of content and very little time, as I have been told by the Diamond Cutter Classics team.

[Speaker 1]
And I will try to be on time. So just super quickly, today has been a challenging day because of the production. Mostly I've been a little irritated.

[Speaker 2]
So I want to apologize with everyone that I've been a little bit mean today. Please excuse me. I'm trying and I'm learning.

So just please. Yeah, if I do that and there is no production, then you should be yelling at me or something, I guess.

[Speaker 1]
All right, let's do it. Because tomorrow we have an event. It's at the Peachtree Cafe.

[Speaker 2]
So just a reminder that if you want to join live, you can come. Let us know because we may have a small dinner afterwards. So just, I don't know, text in the chat group.

[Speaker 1]
We will have a dinner afterwards.

[Speaker 2]
Let us know. And also we want to show you the poster in case you cannot join live but you want to join online.

[Speaker 1]
And, you know, producing is very, oh, yeah. Excuse me. We are trying here at the tech table to figure it out, how to share the screen over there.

Well, that's one thing. But starting, starting, what is it? It's almost in a month from now.

So Cristina Casica will be starting a 10-week course on.

[Speaker 2]
Who's, who's, who's. Yes, thank you so much. And Gina is here with me.

Come, come, Gina, sit down, sit down.

[Speaker 1]
We want to welcome Gina. Yeah, I can do this. But look what happens.

You see? It's a problem. So don't worry too much.

Just sit down. Keep talking. Okay.

We want to, we want to show you a video of a little bit of the process on producing these events. So if the tech table, oh, but you are the tech table, no? If Francisco, well, thank you, Francisco, because he also came from Mexico.

So thank you for being here. Gina came also.

[Speaker 2]
They're going to help me.

[Speaker 1]
If you were not here, this would be very challenging. But you are here and still it's a little challenging. But it will be more challenging.

Anyways, no, not that one. That's when Hector comes. He will come soon.

Sorry. We just want to show the video, the video, Gina, the video of the Phoenix trip, because it's very important news. It's really very important news.

[Speaker 2]
And then we'll have a special host guest with us.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. Phoenix video, please. Look how pretty.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, no, not me. I didn't mean it that way. I don't know if you can see, but it's called Ranch Market.

Apparently, she's an expert for decorations. Let's see what we see. And let's start getting the place ready.

So when Chloe sent me here, I mean, I was guessing, right? But I didn't know. But this is Asian grocery store.

[Speaker 1]
So it's kind of very funny how it's like traveling through a portal or something. One second you are in Phoenix in the desert and the other one you are somewhere.

[Speaker 2]
Like even the music you can hear. Look. I'm looking for the decorations.

So this is the only thing. Apparently, it's left a few things there, but not much. It's very little.

[Speaker 1]
Unfortunately, they didn't have decorations left. But luckily, I just researched in the map that a new surfing park opened in Phoenix, not too far from here. And I mean, it's Sunday.

I'm already here. Why not go and check it out? This event is not always easy.

Not all the time things work as we wish. But, you know, it's important to know how to deal with problems. Know how to deal with stress.

So right now, as a very important part of the production of this event. For my mental health. Emotional.

Emotional health. I'm gonna have to go and check out the surfing park. Otherwise, I may not be able to keep going with this mission.

Who knows, like a nervous breakdown or something. So let's do what needs to be done. I don't know.

The meteor. We should go. We should go.

The skate park. Oh, perfect.

[Speaker 2]
We are getting ready for the event on Tuesday. Sometimes you don't find what you're looking for, but you find a better thing.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. Thank you so much. Yes.

Yes. Shopee has decorations. God bless.

Thank you. Even better. Thank you so much.

I want to invite Hector here because he's visiting from New York.

[Speaker 2]
And it's a good chance to have him giving us a little update of what's been happening. So, no, thank you very much. At the end, I actually did find some decorations, but the ones that you have will complement perfectly.

So tomorrow. But, yeah, the surfing park. Maybe one day we all can organize a trip or something.

That'll be fun. We'll see. Well, OK.

Welcome, Hector.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you very much for being here. My pleasure.

[Speaker 2]
I wanted to have this chance of having you in the program because you are rarely coming to Arizona. And it's good to get the chance. It's like in Mexico, we say every time the Pope comes, like Avenida del Papa.

It's like very rarely. But here you are. Every coming of the potato.

Yeah. Papa. Something like that.

So. So. So.

So. So. So.

So. So. So.

So. So. So.

Every time I visited you, you send me, you sent to me, very beautiful pictures. You didn't explain why, but I trust you have a good story for them. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I, I feel the same that I personally rarely I'm here, but mentally and educationally, I am never not next to George and Michael and my old.

Friends, that's all we do in New York. It's like. Why you look at Rob when you say old friends?

We've known each other. 30 years. So in my mind, I know that I'm physically not here, but I try and send the people that teach at Three Jewels, the young students at Three Jewels, because New York's just a wild place for people to experience desire.

You know, people come to New York and they're like, I'm going to be famous, I'm going to play music, I'm going to go to university, I'm going to meet my partner. And it rarely happens, no? Well, it happens, then it gets crushed.

Okay. Yeah. So like, oh, I played in a band, now I've got no money and I have to go home, you know, like, I got famous for three seconds, someone else is famous.

Yeah. And so the human condition that the condition of humans in New York is the same as everyone else. And so Three Jewels gets to invite those people to look at a different way of looking at the world.

And thanks to what Geshe-la has taught us, and what we get to teach in a new shiny way, it's the same thing. It just has different shapes and colors, invites those people to question why they're disappointed, and can they get happy. So I just put a bunch of pictures to show you what we've been doing.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it looks great. A couple of things about Three Jewels.

[Speaker 2]
We have, is that the beginning? Is that the first? The beginning is one before.

What was the one before? So we have a great cafe. So people come and want to talk about their lives.

And a coffee shop is the place to do that. That was thanks to Geshe Michael. He's like, the new place better have a cafe, you know.

The next one was the volunteers. So we have 200 volunteers doing all the work at Three Jewels. Some just do accounting, you know.

And then we have a Met Gala once a year, we invite everyone else from yoga studios and the rest, just to have one night of magic. What if your world was magic? And so this is a thousand people last May.

These are the volunteers that run Three Jewels. We can move to the next slide. Some of the volunteers that run Three Jewels.

La Proxima es Lido, por favor.

[Speaker 1]
Apparently people online are watching what you're talking about. We live are watching a different thing. Just trust what you speak is coming up.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, great, great. So then, when my mom was very young, no pictures, joking. No, that was retreats.

At retreats, we did three a year. We go to exotic locations. I just got your joke.

[Speaker 1]
Whatever I say comes on the screen.

[Speaker 2]
My mom disappeared. Yeah. Can you show me the video?

I think it's a video or not a teacher. We have every teacher at Three Jewels has had to complete the 18 courses. They cannot teach yoga.

They cannot teach meditation. They cannot run a program if they didn't complete the 18 courses.

[Speaker 1]
So you sound like standard.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. You sound like. No, it's great.

They know what they're doing.

[Speaker 1]
All right.

[Speaker 2]
La Proxima, no me acuerdo. Video, video. And then it's a video.

When Geshe-la comes to New York, it's like the Pope going to Mexico. And so we got the pleasure to spend time with him. And so we just made a little video of a meditation teacher graduation and saying thank you to him.

So there's just a feeling of what it's like.

[Speaker 3]
On behalf of the entire graduating class of 2024.

[Speaker 1]
And you get to see Three Jewels, the cafe. And we have fun. We dance and we dance and we dance.

So anyway, thank you for inviting me. I hope you get a feeling of what it's like to have a really great group of people. 60,000, 63,000 visits.

[Speaker 2]
So we're doing really, really good.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Thanks to you. Yeah.

And the good work you're doing here because we use all your translations. We use all your ACI, etc. Yeah.

So thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So now question is you want to stay for saying hello to Paulina that she's there also because she wants to share with us a very great news just to finish with this segment and go to the Q&A.

She wants to tell us about a very good project.

[Speaker 1]
Hey, Paulina, how are you?

[Speaker 2]
Hi, I'm good. Hola, Hector. Hola, Juan.

[Speaker 1]
Hola, Divina de mi Corazón.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, we have a very special guest. Today we have a very special guest.

[Speaker 1]
You can go. The internet is closed.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. To tell you something amazing that has been happening in Colombia for the past few months. So first, I want to introduce to all of you to Lucero.

I don't know if Lucero, are you there? She's from Santa Marta, Colombia. If can we spot her?

And you know, Lucero is a producer of our events during the Latin American tour, including a successful meditation retreat. There she is. Hi, Lucero.

Including a successful meditation retreat last November. So amazing things are happening there. And she is been working hard to make it all possible.

So thank you, Lucero, for everything you do. So now I want to tell you why we invite Lucero today. So let me tell you back to when Geshe-la and Gina, can you please play that video in the background for us?

Yes, thank you. So I don't know if do you remember when Geshe-la used to share a video of a group of young people in Norway, who took older people from a nursing home to the movies. So it touched all of us because it showed a dream, where a world where, you know, to feel accompanied and not lonely, you need to give company to others, especially those in nursing homes.

So I believe this video started a revolution because now Lucero wants to tell you what's happening in Colombia. Thank you, Pao. Hello, everyone.

I'm so excited and so nervous at the same time being here, because it all started for me back in 2019 in Guadalajara when that video was shown.

[Speaker 1]
And I was so touched by what I saw, almost to the point of tears. And I thought it would be amazing to be able to have this in Colombia. So on 2023, we started officially a meditation group.

And we would gather every week and talk a little bit about Dharma. And I remember one time we were discussing how to plant a partner. So we were talking about the four steps.

[Speaker 2]
And then I remembered this story. And I told the group, you know, guys, this is what they did in Norway.

[Speaker 1]
Wouldn't it be amazing if we could do this in Colombia to replicate it in Colombia.

[Speaker 2]
And we were so lucky that one of the participants is a manager in a big shopping mall here in the city. And there happens to be a movie theater in the shopping mall.

[Speaker 1]
So she said, let's make it happen. And I'm like, are you kidding me? And then another participant said, I can coordinate everything.

So before I could even realize, we started with the group of 20 people coming from the nursing homes and 20 volunteers. And we started May last year.

[Speaker 2]
And it has been an amazing program, because we are matching people with the elders.

[Speaker 1]
And we're planting lots and lots of seeds of company. So how it works is volunteers, they would come to the nursing home that day. And then on a date, right, you call and you pick up your date.

So they come to the nursing home, we come to the nursing home. And we take our grandpa or grandma, and we go to the movies together. We spend some time, we watch the movie.

And afterwards, we spend some time. And we have done this for the past year. And this created a lot more things.

We have created parties for the nursing home. And at the same time, we did on Christmas, for those who do not have a family, we held a letter to Santa Claus. So we went there and we were able to give some gifts.

Hello.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Lucero. Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you for everything you're doing. I know you guys prepare a video for us. We're gonna be watching it soon, because we have to go to the next class.

Unfortunately, Mondays, there are other classes, you know, so it's like, ah, but we are so happy that you came. Thank you so much to show the project. And I think people here are appreciating it very much.

We really hope you keep doing it. And next Saturday, we will be showing the videos that people can see. Maybe you can come again.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Lucero.

[Speaker 1]
Bye, everyone. Thank you.