Бетси Грир — Книга 2: Интерлюдия о пустоте, занятие 7

[Speaker 1]
RIGA DHAM TSUG GI DRO KUN NAM DAG SHING LA DU PAR SHOG SANG GI CHEN GYI RIG NAM MA BYANG CHUB PAR DU DRAG NI GYAP SU CHI DRAG GI CHEN GYI RIG NAM MA DRO LA PHYIN CHIG SANG GI DU PAR SHOG SANG GI CHEN GYI RIG NAM MA BYANG CHUB PAR DU DRAG NI GYAP SU CHI DRAG GI CHEN GYI RIG NAM MA DRO LA PHYIN CHIG SANG GI DU PAR SHOG Yay! Kill them, Upala! Oh, no.

Not that. Sorry, I'm not really a technical person. Share screen, share screen, share screen.

Can you see?

[Speaker 2]
Yes. Great.

[Speaker 1]
So welcome to class three, and we are now going to have a quiz on class two. And so K. Drip J finished talking about, you know, extolling the virtues of emptiness, and now he's moved on to a slightly different topic.

Does anyone remember what he's talking about in the last class? He's talking about the qualifications of a student for being taught emptiness. Yeah.

So what are the characteristics that K. Drip J says a student needs to have in order to be ready to listen to teachings on emptiness? Anyone from the street can just walk on in, and it's cool.

Is this the Yak story? This is not the Yak story. They should have previously and repeatedly planted seeds for realizing emptiness.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, not only once.

[Speaker 1]
Not just once. Correct. So after you list those characteristics, what does he say about teaching emptiness?

He says to only those teach, but to others don't. And would anyone like to give me the Tibetan for that? Okay.

[Speaker 2]
We need some time to think sometimes for the questions.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, when I don't hear anything for like 45 seconds, I think no one's, you know, interested. If you don't follow K. Drip J's advice related to teaching emptiness that he just gave, what happens to your students?

They will run away. They will give up.

[Speaker 3]
They'll conclude that nothing exists at all.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. So you'd be doing a great disservice, right? Because some of them, as Sugong said, are going to run away, give up emptiness, and they will fall to the lower realms.

And then, as Inna said, some will take emptiness as meaning that things having a lack of a self nature means that nothing exists at all. And they take it to mean, yeah, nothing exists at all. So they say and do as they want, and they create negative karma, and they keep doing that, and they're going to fall to the chambers of the lowest hell.

Can anyone give me the English meaning of chichar?

[Speaker 2]
Kind of rising? Yeah, that's part.

[Speaker 1]
Chichar is general. Can be. Not here.

[Speaker 2]
It is not.

[Speaker 1]
An archetype arises.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And apparently K. Drip J likes to talk about this a lot. Mere denial?

Simple? Yeah, just canceling? Simple absence.

[Speaker 2]
Oh.

[Speaker 1]
And dun bayin pa chenpo. That is a very big problem. Huge negative outcome.

So dun here means outcome.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, cool. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. There's an archetype arising. I was about to guess.

Hey, somebody want to make an easy $30? Yes. Give me a personal name where dun is used as a positive outcome.

[Speaker 3]
Dundrup.

[Speaker 1]
No. Dundrup? But in Sanskrit.

[Speaker 2]
Siddhartha.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, okay, 20 bucks each. Nick and who was that, Gibson?

[Speaker 2]
Stanley, I think.

[Speaker 1]
Stanley, good. Oh, Gibson was in there too.

[Speaker 2]
Stanley and Gibson. Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, how much for each? $20 each, okay? Three guys.

I didn't say it in Sanskrit. Oh, okay, $10 for Nick. All right.

Anyway, that's a clear example of dun used not as meaning, but as a goal. Dundrup. Siddhartha.

Siddhartha. Artha. Artha.

Okay, cool. That's its meaning here. It's important not to call it something of not meaning or something like that because that would be incorrect.

All right, let's share Grandpa's screen. V says, I shouldn't call myself Grandpa, I'm too young. By the way, V had her second vaccination two days ago.

Yay! And about 10 hours after she had it, she had a very strong reaction. So she got a very strong fever.

And that's why we canceled the meeting last night. And she had a high fever for about five hours, and then it just broke, okay? And so those of you who are getting a vaccination, the second one, I think, sometimes it's a very good sign that the antibodies are fighting each other.

And maybe 10 hours, five hours after you get the second one, you might have a... She said it felt like people kicked her for two hours or something. And then this morning, she's great.

She feels great. So just something for us to expect. Me and Jigme are getting ours on the next and last day of the term.

So if that happens to me, Xiaoping might have to teach all the classes. She's up to it, I'm sure. I'm sure.

Okay, let's go. Utpala, detar yang. DETAR YANG THONGPHA NYID LA THAM YED NA SHERAB CHUNG NAM PHUNG BAR NGYUR ZHES PA'I DREL PHA SIG SEL LAS RE ZHIG GAL TE THAM CHE THONGPA THE THAM CHE YOD PA MA YIN NO SHES BYA BAR THOB NA DE TSE NI LOB PAR THAR BAR NGYUR THE Good, nice.

Now, he's going to start a very long quotation, which he quotes verbatim. What's that mean, Xiaoping? A new word for you.

Verbatim. Word by word. Word for word.

He quotes it precisely. He doesn't paraphrase it. Versus paraphrase.

Verbatim. Yeah, verbatim means he quotes it exactly, and he quotes it for a long time. So it's a little confusing.

If he quotes prasannapada, the commentary to the verses, he's probably going to quote the... Root text. Yeah, good.

By? Arya Nagarjuna. Good.

Named? Wisdom. Yeah, and people try to make it a long name.

SHES RAB CHE BYA BA'I It's not. Nagarjuna was a master of brevity. Less is more.

He wants you. He doesn't want you to think of his book as the root text on the perfection of wisdom. He purposely wanted you to say wisdom.

That's the name of my book. Okay, so here we go. SHES RAB CHE BYA BA'I SHES RAB CHE BYA BA'I means when Chandrakirti, Master Chandrakirti, glosses these two lines by?

Arya Nagarjuna. Good. Let's read the two lines by Arya Nagarjuna.

RTOG PA NI LA LTA NYES NA The key word is NYES PA. I'm sure Xiaoping has it because it's the last set of vowels. Of 112 vowels are called?

Mistakes. Yeah. If you make a mistake in your LTA BA about RTOG PA NI.

If you make a mistake in your view about emptiness. Good. Those SHES RAB CHUNG guys.

Those tiny wisdom guys. Good. Here's the verb PHUNG.

It doesn't mean PUM PO. It means something completely different. What is that?

Oh, you're going to ruin. Ruin. Yeah.

Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

So translate the two lines. If you make a mistake in your view about emptiness, it will... I don't know.

SHES RAB CHUNG. Little wisdom. I would say...

I would translate the NA as win. Oh, win. You make a mistake in your view of emptiness.

You SHES RAB CHUNG guys. Oh, you tiny wisdom guys will fall to your ruin. Yeah, right.

Great. I mean, not great, but great. Okay.

Now here starts the LAS. From the LAS starts the quotation from Master Chandrakirti. And he's explaining those three lines.

RE ZHIG Now this RE ZHIG means, suppose someone says, it's like KA ZHIG. It's like KA ZHIG. KA ZHIG.

In ancient, ancient Sanskrit. It's like KA ZHIG. GAL TE THAMS CAD STONG NA THAMS CAD YOD PA MA YIN It's not...

If everything is STONG PA If everything is empty THAMS CAD MED PA Then there is nothing. Yeah, then nothing exists. Somebody's coming up to Nagarjuna and saying, if everything is empty, then nothing exists at all.

So it's RE ZHIG GAL? Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
It's the phrase?

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Yeah, RE ZHIG means, suppose someone were to come up and say. RE ZHIG GAL TE means, suppose someone were to appear and say.

I was trying to work in the GAL. That was my problem. Yeah, good.

It's GAL TE. Now, suppose they talk like that. What's this spelling of talk mean?

They have some idea or some wrong conception. Yeah, suppose they get some weird idea like that. Well, that's a LOG LTA.

That's a wrong view. Yeah, and don't forget, what are the three classic wrong views? Here's one.

Oh, that things... When you discuss the tenth non-virtue, there's usually two or three examples. Right, that you don't believe in karma, and you don't...

[Speaker 2]
Past and future lives.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, right.

[Speaker 2]
Past and future lives. And KHO YIN CHOG GSUM.

[Speaker 1]
Three jewels. The three jewels. Yeah, okay.

Those are typical ones. This is, he's adding the worst one. If everything's empty, then nothing exists.

If the husband in the kitchen is not coming for me, he doesn't exist at all. Therefore, I can just make a pizza and eat the whole thing. Right, Nick?

All eight slices. Come close. I think my record is four, but...

Four pizzas or four slices? Yeah, thanks. So I went and got you the original quotation from Wisdom.

Thank you. It's right here. And I captured the page number for you.

Yay, thank you. And... Then, to explain Arya Nagarjuna's quotation, Chandrakirti pulls out another quotation.

Okay, got it? Now, it's very confusing. You know, the first time you read this, it's Chandrakirti commenting on verses by Nagarjuna by using other verses, and they happen to be by Nagarjuna also from a different book.

Okay, here we go. GK2 Okay, nice. CHUN DI LOGS PAR GSUNGS RGYUR NA If you hold the wrong opinion about these things, the unwise people...

And, you know, it was tempting. I spent a long time working on the CHUNG because we just talked about SHES RAB CHUNG. And I thought, well, he's talking about CHUNG, but he's not talking about CHUNG at all.

He says CHOS SA, CHOS SA BA. Oh, they're wasting. We had it in the Four Laws of Karma.

And it comes back to you.

[Speaker 3]
It doesn't just go away.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Law Number Three, I think. When you do something, it doesn't just go away. Don't hope that something, small thing you did bad to somebody else is not going to have an effect, because it always will.

But here, it's talking about those guys who have that wrong view. They will be wasted. CHOS SA BA here is the same as PHUNG BAR.

Okay, got it? And you see the implication with karma, that it will just get wasted somehow, go bad. It'll go bad.

The expiration date will expire. What's the CHUNG? Oh, it's to get an extra meter.

Okay. Yeah, I would say that. ,'DI LTAR MED PAR LTA BA'I MI TZAM DER NI BYUNG BA'I RGYUR, The third and fourth lines are covered in the opening lines of Stanley's text.

Stanley's text is interesting, because the real beginning of his text is ,'CHOS RNAMS BSAGS CES BSAGS PA MED LAM MA RTOG PA'I DU BYIN DU BSAGS CES GANG PHYIR ,DE DAG LA BSAM DANG DGUL DU RGYAL PA'I RGYUR All things can be divided into pure and impure. But before that, there's an interlude.

[Speaker 2]
It's about why Buddha teach Abhidhamma.

[Speaker 1]
Kind of. People get stuck in the dam of samsara. Yeah, yeah, in the swamp.

Good, good. And I think here... Well, actually, here's the same theme, written before Vasubandhu.

Maybe Vasubandhu is referring to this one. They get stuck. CHING BA means...

What's CHING BA mean, you guys? They get stuck. They sink?

They become drowsy? Yeah, they sink or they get stuck in. The MI TZAM means the mud or the crap.

It means crap. You can't use it in your translation. What's the crap here?

What's crap? It's their wrong opinion about things. Oh, you froze, Geshe-la.

Hello? I'm sorry. What's the crap here?

It's the third line. DI LTAR MED PAR LTA BA'I The view that there is nothing like that. Good.

The view that if things are empty, they don't exist. If you don't understand things, you're going to be wasted. You're going to get stuck in the mud, the crap mud of believing that nothing exists.

Okay, cool. Yay! That quotation comes from the Letter to the King.

I'm sorry. The String of Jewels, which is also an advice to the king. Here it is.

Yay! This helps us correct the CHUNG TU CHOS. Okay, good.

It's pretty much precisely the same. I'm going to add a footnote that says we changed the... We're using the reading of Arya Nagarjuna.

Yeah, he's talking... Yeah, we're using a second quotation by Arya Nagarjuna to explain the first quotation by Arya Nagarjuna. I mean Chandrakirti is.

By the way, it doesn't end there. We're still in Chandrakirti's quotation. Please read.

And Dr. Kramer is going to check you.

[Speaker 2]
Yay!

[Speaker 1]
CHI ZHES YANG DGOS THAMS CAD Perfect. Thank you. DE THAR PHANG NGA CHOS KYI ONG PHAR NGIRO BA'I LAS KYI NGI PHAR NGAN ROR DRO BAR NGIRO Good.

[Speaker 2]
Nice pronunciation of the question mark.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Yeah, that was a very sexy three prenasals in a row. Yeah, right.

I bet no one's been praised that sexy for making three prenasals in a row, but beautiful. Okay. And is that really Maeway?

I'm sorry? Rongshin Maeway? Third line?

I must have missed it. Oh, yeah, you're right. It should be Phae.

By the way, somebody should be wondering why it's Khorpa Dep instead of Khorwa Dep. Both get shortened to Khorwa Dep, but I believe there was an ancient D after the R. And I think some authors get it right.

And I think later authors change it to Khorwa. So I think both are acceptable.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
There's a rule that if there was a D suffix... I'm losing you. Oh, no.

I'm losing you. Okay, I'll ask later. I'm still losing you.

I think it's your internet, Geshe-la. I'm sorry, can you repeat? Because my internet freaked out.

Is there a... Is this the weather or not? It's a wa...

Can you repeat? I'll write it in the chat. Hello.

Oh, no. Good. Can you...

Can the rest of you guys hear me? Yes. Geshe-la's emailing.

Hello. Hello.

[Speaker 2]
We can't hear you.

[Speaker 1]
Geshe-la, your video is frozen, but sometimes we hear your audio. We can't hear you. Hello?

[Speaker 2]
Well...

[Speaker 1]
There he is. Allison, can you continue, please? No, no.

[Speaker 2]
There he is.

[Speaker 1]
Geshe-la, you're muted. Thanks, Nick. You saved me from the ether.

You pulled me out of the ether. Yay. All right, let's start again.

It must be Sunday morning Netflix or something. Sunday morning Sesame Street. By the way, somebody's threatening to do a Netflix movie about Diamond Mountain, just so you guys know.

That should be interesting. A three-year meditation retreat? That'll be really captivating.

Yeah. It'll be... Visually.

The script will be very slow, I think. Okay. You read this already, right?

Cheetah Yang. Now, moreover, what's that... Cheetah Yang, what's that all about?

THAMS CAD LA GOS BAR BDAG PA MIN GDUN LA If you don't want to... what? Believe.

If you don't want to kundap everything. If you don't want to speak badly about everything? Yeah, if you don't want to underrate everything that exists, all right?

Okay. You should try to understand how MIG SOS ZIN CAN is a difficult expression. MIG SOS ZIN CAN means even though they can act as objects of your perception, you should try to understand how even though they can act as objects of your perception, they are still LTON PA.

They're still empty. Yeah, and don't forget the definition of existence is that which is perceived by an act of perception. So it's kind of a way...

Chandrakirti is kind of saying... Everything's empty. They really do exist because you can...

they can be objects of perception, meaning to a well-educated dharma person, meaning they exist, but still they can be empty, okay? Therefore, when people say... RANG BZHIN MED PA'I BRTOS NAS LTON PA GNYIS KYI BRTOS MA YIN NO When people say the meaning of emptiness is not that nothing is itself, okay?

When people say the meaning of emptiness, when you say things are empty, it doesn't mean that things aren't themselves. Who's saying that? The other guy, okay?

Yeah, the one with... What was it? Sherab Chung.

Yeah, who got PHUNG BA, right? Yeah. Okay.

So if you're the kind of person that says empty... when we say things are empty, it doesn't mean that they aren't themselves. You're wrong.

And you are PHUNG BA YIN LTON PA GNYIS NGES PAR LTUNG NGES PAR You are NGES PAR PHUNG BA YIN LTON PA GNYIS Definitely. Yeah, you're definitely giving up emptiness. Oh, you're giving up, right?

Definitely. I would even say rejecting, okay? When you say that emptiness doesn't mean that things aren't themselves, you are definitely giving up emptiness.

By the way, that's not what we're talking about, okay? We're talking about a person who says if things are empty, they don't exist, right? Yeah.

This is talking about a person who says the meaning of emptiness is not that things are not themselves. Okay, now maybe we're going to get there, but it's an interesting twist. Okay.

PHUNG BA RGYUR TE And if you PHUNG, okay? If you do give up emptiness... Like that?

Yeah. This PHUNG means forever. It means poverty.

It's PHUNG BA usually means poverty. Here it means you'll have a dearth Wow, that's a good word. A dearth of dharma.

Yeah, for all your future lives. That's the idea. All of them?

Okay, you are collecting the karma to never meet the dharma in your future lives, and because of that karma, DGE LAS KYI, because of that karma, you will definitely what? You'll definitely go over and over and over again to the lower realms. Yeah, good.

By the way, the DROD DROD doesn't mean over and over. It just means MYAN DROD LA DROD Yeah, you will go to the bad going. Okay.

You'll go to the lower realms, okay? Now, we're still in Chandrakirti, okay? Yep.

And he's gonna quote again... Aryadeva Arjuna. What's it called?

Ratnamala.

[Speaker 3]
The precious... Yeah, here we go.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, who's... I'm gonna pick... Chundzom, Chundzom, let's pick on her.

Come on. GKDU RIN PO CHE'I PHRENG LA BA'I LAS GZHAN YANG DI NI LOGS GSUNGS NA PA LON PO MI KHAS PA'I NGA RGYAL CHEN Come on, you don't have to say it. Okay, RIN PO KHAS PA'I NGA RGYAL CHEN He must have been drinking a coffee, coffee.

PONG BA'I MA RUNG BDAG NI CHEN BAR MA'I BAR NA'I PHYI'U GZUGS DROD ZHES ZHES RO ZHES GSUNGS PA LTAR Oh, it's the end of Chandrakirti, right? Yeah, great. I mean, you caught it faster than I did.

It's only when I got to here that I realized it's a quotation within a quotation. Okay. Yeah, he's going to end his quotation.

K.W.J. is going to end his quotation of Chandrakirti by his quotation of Nagarjuna's precious mala or whatever it is. String of precious jewels. GZHAN YANG DI NI LOGS GSUNGS NA If you have a wrong opinion of this particular topic, which is what?

Emptiness? Yeah, emptiness. Whether or not things exist?

Or is it emptiness? Well, it's actually the difference between not being itself and being empty. If you think there is a difference, you have a problem, okay?

Okay. All right. So actually the quotation isn't exactly fitting his point, in my opinion.

Okay. If you get this point wrong, then those LUM POS, DOG DZANG LUM Those fools? Fools.

That's Sutra of the Wise and the Fool. Yeah, LUM PO means fools. And there's a problem with those fools.

They are similar to the person in Seiji's text. Oh, they've got a lot of self-cherishing? Nagarjuna.

Oh, pride. Yeah, about being a khepa. About being a khepa chung.

Yeah, no, they imagined themselves to be great panditas, okay? Those fools imagined themselves to be great masters, scholars. Yeah, and they BONG.

What are they BONG? We just had it up here. DONG PA NYID BONG They reject emptiness.

Yeah, okay. Dharmakirti said DONG PA NYID BONG here because he knew he was going to use this quotation. They BONG emptiness.

Therefore, MA RUNG. MA RUNG here means... This MA RUNG doesn't mean improper.

It has an S on it. When it has an S on it, it means grossly mistaken. They are people.

BAG GIS CHEN just means people. They are folks who are grossly mistaken because they have BONG emptiness. And they will NAR MED DU SKYES.

What's NAR MED? Avicii. Avicii.

Sorry. Yeah, now what's ironic about the name of this hell? It's not Avicii.

Yeah, the name of the hell is no suffering. But what it means is no moment without suffering. But it's just kind of a misnomer.

Now, $50 for CI RDZUS DO. Go ahead, Word. I don't know.

Somebody else should try. Maybe we should put Word on a handicap, like he only gets 10% or something.

[Speaker 3]
Is CI RDZUS DO like chi-wo?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, shikhandi in Sanskrit. Yeah, the top of the head, like I bow to them? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So what the hell is that doing here? You guys don't remember about the bardo beings headed for the hell realms?

[Speaker 3]
Oh, they go head down. They go head down.

[Speaker 1]
They are walking upside down. That's how you tell someone's headed to the hell realms. If you can see them in the bardo, they are walking upside down.

And then some of them are like a burnt log, I don't remember. It's in Stanley's text. Of course, Stanley Bandhu's text is the foundation of all wisdom.

All right. So how does this break down? I'm sorry, how does that break down?

Oh. The chi-wo. If you, moreover, if you make a mistake about this topic, then you are a fool.

And you are probably someone who believes themselves to be a great master. But you have actually, by thinking that, rejected emptiness. And you are the epitome of mistaken.

DAG NI CHEN means like the epitome, okay? Like mahatma is the epitome, right? DAG NI CHEN PO So you are like the epitome of stupidity.

Hey, that's a nice name for a band. The epitome of stupidity. And you will definitely be walking upside down to the lowest realm of hell.

Cool. Yes. Okay.

Which kind of, you know, it kind of means you had bad luck to get a bad teaching about emptiness. Be better if you didn't get any teaching about emptiness. Okay, anyway, here's the actual quotation, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
And it's the same, okay? Which is refreshing. Seems like Khenop Jey is being very careful about his quotations, right?

And by the way, here's the whole long quotation from Chandrakirti, okay? And if you want to have some fun, you can see if there's any differences. Yay, we finished Chandrakirti's interlude.

Let's go back to Khenop Jey. Who's checking you? Captain Bill, be tough on her.

DE LA MTHONG NI LA BSKUR PA'I THAG PA'I SNGAR BA'I DBYUNG ROL BAR I'm sorry?

[Speaker 2]
No, no, I saw the BA. Keep going.

[Speaker 1]
MA ZAD LEN DRE LA BSKUR PA'I THAG PA'I KHYANG ROL LA LEN DRE YOD PA MA YIN PAR BRTAG BA NI DGE SA THAMS CAD GSHOS PA DANG SDONG PA MTHONG BA'I YOD YANG DO DANG RTEN CHOS NAM THAG TU MA GZHIG NAS DUN PAR BSRUNG LA Yeah, now this is a very interesting extension. We're ready to move on. We're satisfied with what Khenop Jey said so far, but he wants to take it one more step.

He says if you think about it, why do people get so ruined, PHUNG BA, when they don't understand emptiness correctly, is that if you don't understand emptiness correctly, then what you're really saying is you don't understand LEN DRE. DRE DANG BSGYUD BU Yeah, karma and its consequences. Now that's a beautiful...

Boy, there's a diamond mining thing there. I think that people tend to think that Sugeng's text would be easier than Utpala's text, because Sugeng's text is just talking about cause and effect, but Utpala's text is going deeper into emptiness. But what he's saying here is, if you don't understand emptiness, the big problem is that then you don't really understand why one thing causes another.

Meaning, if you think the cause can touch the effect, if you think a seed can turn into a tree, then you definitely don't understand emptiness. You have to understand emptiness to understand why a seed can grow into a tree, because it can't. Because they cannot coexist in the same moment.

There can be no connection between two things that do not exist in the same moment. A seed cannot be connected to a tree. If you don't understand that emptiness, you will always be doing bad deeds, and that will take you to the hell.

So it's not that misunderstanding emptiness takes you to hell. It's that if you don't understand emptiness, you don't understand why the husband's screaming in the kitchen, and then you scream back and you go to the hell realms. Okay, got it?

So maybe that's why not believing in karma is the first thing mentioned in Loktawa? Yeah, yeah, maybe so. But what I'd like you guys to think about, and I mean that would make a whole half of a...

Professor Nick, that would make half of a DCI level, is that I'm on this thing nowadays, okay? People come to me with different ideas. They say, oh Geshe-la, I read a book.

You should read it. It's got some good stuff in it. But try to understand one thing.

If you don't understand how a seed can cause a tree, then you don't understand anything, never. Then everything you say is wrong. Every method you state is wrong.

Every practice you propose is wrong. Because you don't understand how one thing can cause another thing. If you don't understand how one thing can cause another thing, which you cannot understand if you don't understand emptiness, then everything else you say to me is wrong.

All science is wrong. All... not some science is wrong.

All science is wrong. Because they don't understand how one thing causes another thing. If you don't understand how one thing causes another thing, then all your other opinions are wrong because they're based on that.

Okay? It's massive. The misunderstanding of the world is everywhere.

Everything. About everything. Every opinion of the world is wrong.

Okay? It's amazing. Okay?

All right, here we go. DE LA STONG MI NI DGOS DTAB NAS If you underestimate emptiness, not only will you go to the lowest hell, you will also discount cause and effect. And because of that, you'll also go to hell.

Why? You'll start thinking that cause and effect doesn't exist. And by the way, you can say, Geshe-la, I don't understand emptiness perfectly, but I do believe in cause and effect.

Then what KDPJ is saying here is that, no, you don't. Okay? You don't.

If you don't understand emptiness perfectly, you can't understand why to keep the ten good deeds. Okay? It's a very powerful couple of pages here.

Yeah, misunderstanding emptiness is going to take you to hell, but the real point is that when you misunderstand emptiness, you misunderstand karma. Therefore. And that takes you to the hell.

And in essence, when you deny emptiness, you are therefore denying cause and effect. Karma. Okay?

And that's going to chupa all your getsas. Well, that's going to completely cut away all your good karma. Yeah, all your bank account, your good karma bank account, will be severed.

The bank will close your account. And then you're going to give up all your dombas. All your vows.

Yeah, gyur means it will act as a cause for you to give up all your dombas. And this opinion that a misunderstanding of emptiness leads to a rejection of karma, leads to a rejection of all your good deeds, leads to a rejection of all the commitments you've ever made, is shared by those intentious. Shared by the sutras and the classical commentary.

Good. THON PAR BSRUNG means this opinion is shared namdak in the namdak dentures. In the pure?

Yeah, meaning in the really good ones. He's allowing that there may be... Some errors that may have been introduced to some of them.

There's no Mickey Mouse sutras, there's no Mickey Mouse texts in the Kangyur, but there are a few Mickey Mouse texts in the Tengyur. Okay? So he says, I'm talking about the good shastras.

No good shastra. All good shastras are going to say the same thing on this point. That if you don't understand emptiness, you can't understand karma.

And you can't really practice it. And therefore you're going to be in trouble. All right, all right, here we go.

I guess I'm just wondering, is this the thing that inspired you? Like for me, you're the only teacher who made this connection so clearly. And this states it so clearly.

Yeah, I'm just saying it's something for us veteran dharma students to think about, that if you don't really understand emptiness, you have never understood karma anyway. Okay, because you don't understand how one thing can cause another thing, because it's impossible. If the two things don't exist at the same time, they cannot affect each other.

Therefore, a tree seed put in the ground should create the attack on the capital. Okay, you see what I mean? Totally unrelated things should cause each other, because they don't have to make contact.

They also don't make contact. Okay, it's very profound. Okay, let's read the next one.

Okay, let's read the next one. This point was made in Nick's text. And if Nick wants to make $60 for Amalie's college fund, he's gonna tell us.

By the way, I'll give you the first part for free, okay? ko chak, this sentence, the first line is being spoken by the other guy. And ko chak means us guys.

me me pa mi ser, tob pa ni me pa mi ser Yeah, we don't say that there's no such thing as emptiness. We just say... You know, we do say that things don't exist.

Yeah, now give me the language from your text. Give me the language from your text. We're not saying that just denying one position is not implying another position.

Nope. No, we don't say nothing exists. We don't say nothing exists.

No, you gotta say it this way. We're not saying everything is non-existent. We're just saying...

Oh, yeah, sure. This was a while ago, yeah. Come on, a while ago.

It was like three hours ago. I'm thinking from several terms ago. We're not saying that everything doesn't exist.

We're saying that nothing exists. Good. And I would prefer to say we're not saying everything is non-existent.

We're just saying nothing exists. I thought it was the other way around, that they didn't want to be seen as falling off the cliff, that they saw that somehow, or is that someone else's text? No, I have to look back.

Yesterday. I think you're right. Well, he's trying to draw a distinction that somebody's text tried to draw a day or two ago, where he said, look, I'm not saying everything's non-existent.

I'm just saying it's non-existent. Actually, that was in my text. Sorry.

I'm sorry. It was your text, maybe. Okay.

My text had a line like that, but that was a couple of years ago. Okay, sorry. This CHOS, okay, I'm going to point out this CHOS in the second line.

This has an AO before it, which means it's the verb to fix something. Okay. And it's used in the word DEN CHOS, Shastra, actually.

So this CHOS PA means to repair something. And he's attempting to fix his statement. Okay.

That's what it means here. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, you can draw some kind of false distinction like that, but there's no need.

Good. There's no need, and there's no point. NUS PA There's no need, and it doesn't work.

Oh, we're not saying everything's non-existent. We're just saying nothing exists. Well, that adjustment of your position, okay, equals adjustment of your position.

Okay. There's no need to do that, and it doesn't help. Okay.

All right. Why do you say that? Because the six-celled lung we just quoted is a ZEL BA ZHES.

He explains it clearly. Yeah, just go back and read the quotation we just gave you. If you read it carefully, you'll understand that trying to correct yourself here, trying to adjust your position, is hopeless.

It means the same thing. Okay, got it? Yay.

By the way, I don't know. K.W.J. was on peyote or something when he wrote this book. He's awesome.

He's incredibly awesome in this book. I can't believe it. All right, two more minutes.

Let's do this quotation. DE PHYIR ZHIG RGYAL PA LAS GCIG NYID NGON ROL NYID NYID ROL LA THAMS MED MA YIN ZHIG NYID DO ZHES PA'AN BRAL PA LAS KYANG Okay. ZHIG RGYAL PA is what?

The 400? Yeah, the 400 verses of who?

[Speaker 2]
Ayadeva.

[Speaker 1]
Ayadeva, who was the main disciple of? Arya Nagarjuna. Arya Nagarjuna.

Okay, so we'll let him say something. Okay, he's the main disciple of Nagarjuna. We can go to him.

GCIG NYID NGON ROL NYID ROL LA Okay, I'm going to let you struggle with this one. You can figure it out. You can figure it out.

You guys can figure it out. Altogether you can figure it out. This is the goal, by the way, of the Mixed Nuts, that when grandpa's voice is silent, you can translate this stuff.

Probably as a team you can help each other. Okay, here we go. GCIG NYID The first one?

Yeah, one of these guys. Oh, one of these guys is going to go himself to the lower realms? This NYID means only.

Oh, go only to the lower realms. No option. Yeah, one of the guys, one of these thinkers, is without doubt headed to the lower realms.

And the other guy... By the way, THA MA'I NANG BZHIN is the greatest sin of Tantra. THA MA'I NANG BZHIN is the greatest sin of Tantra.

Isn't ordinary. It's normal. Yeah, those THA MA'I MA YIN PA guys...

Those ordinary? No, those extraordinary guys? Yeah, those guys who are super extraordinary, they go to shiwa.

They go to peace. Yeah, nirvana and enlightenment. And nowhere else, and nowhere else.

It's very beautiful. One of these guys is going to the hell and nowhere else. They...

What's another word for extraordinary that has a negative at the beginning? What's an English way to say extraordinary? By starting with an...

Uncommon? Uncommon. Incomparable?

I don't know. Uncommon just says, you know, they're kind of special. But extraordinary means something really different.

They're going to go to nirvana. Unparalleled? Unparalleled?

Did you guys freeze on me again? You know, we rarely see something like a duo. Is that like a verb?

Or is it just a la-den particle? He's frozen. Oh, man.

[Speaker 3]
He doesn't hear us.

[Speaker 1]
Do you know what it is, Upala?

[Speaker 3]
It's the terminating particle after an adverb. So, tuo, which is just the fact that it's a...

[Speaker 1]
Hey, you're back. So it is a la-den particle. Oh, tuo.

[Speaker 2]
Yes. His video is not moving.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, Geshe-la, if you can hear me.

[Speaker 2]
Geshe, you're muted.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, the rare occasion that I am muted, according to my wife. All right. I'll see you guys this evening.

Thank you. Thank you, Geshe-la. Oh, stay tuned for a yoga class, everybody, with the incomparable, extraordinary Kendra.

Ben, is she going to go on your channel, or is she going to set up her own call?

[Speaker 2]
Uh, I guess she'll probably be online. I don't really know. She'll be here, though, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, this same call.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Tim, are you here? Yes, I am here, but I'm going to have to pass it off quickly. Okay.

All right, all right.

[Speaker 2]
Well, she'll be with us shortly. You know, she's got the baby, right? So we've got to make a quick switch, but she'll be with us very quickly.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Are you okay?

[Speaker 2]
Um, I actually, if you could, once she comes on, I can start the live stream, but I need to. Bye, Geshe-la. Bye-bye.

Thank you again. After today.

[Speaker 3]
Make me host, I guess.