Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 32

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Hi. Hi. Hi hi hi.

Mm hmm. Okay, nice to see you guys. Nice to see you again.

How are you doing. To Boston. By the way, they are might be a touch later tomorrow because they want to do something else so you'd be okay, please please do what you need to do just whatever we're good.

We got you covered. We had a lot of fun that day that you weren't there and we miss you and we never want to have to do it again but it was fun. Yeah, I was kind of suspicious that everyone said it was a lot of fun.

It was a lot of fun and we miss you and. And it's a big mess without you but it was cute. Feel bad I was hoping you would collapse and cry.

There was some of that I mean a bit of crying and. Yeah, sure. Blood.

Okay. Okay, deal. Let's see here.

Share screen initials. Oh, there we go. Here we are.

What on earth. Here we go. Oh yes, I remember this what book will our current author use as an outline for commenting on the words of the root text.

The auto commentary, you'll figure it out boss don't tell him. No, not the auto commentary, not the auto commentary, another famous book that is.

[Speaker 2]
I know what it is.

[Speaker 1]
It's light. Yeah. Good.

Yeah, between the two of you. It's great. Paula said gals of J and she's letting you say what the actual book is right light on the path to freedom.

Yay. Right, wait a minute, isn't that a commentary. It is by his by Galligan and drew, but there's another one, that's a commentary to the prominent Bartica by guilt.

Right, I guess you could even call them the two. One by Cheney llama. Oh, there's a ton of books called light in the past.

There are right, but they only call the two the two, I guess. What's a really that's all I asked, that's okay we're. Oh, I understand why because we covered the beginning of the book let's just let's just one last time maybe.

What's the name of the book that we're studying in Tibetan Sanskrit and English since we just reached the title. Good word was wrong, get him, he didn't say. No.

I'm in a bar to go. Someone I'm Joe. Oh, we didn't come in a bar to go.

And if somebody helped them. Not you, boss. Oh, pro prominent of our team.

Yeah, cool. Good. This is what it's like when you're not here guess just like this, send money into me just to remind you guys.

Have her remind me. Yeah, in English. Commentary to valid perception said inverse.

Great. Cool. I like it.

I probably didn't even write said inverse down here somewhere. Oscar. I just have a question you wrote prominent Barty carica, is it, is that how it is in Sanskrit.

Yeah, that's the Tibetan Sanskrit. Yeah. Barty carica.

Yeah, I mean what he wrote in Sanskrit is, whatever, to what what this is what Roman Sanskrit right Roman Tibetan. Yes, Sanskrit he's right. Romanized the Sanskrit.

Yes, Romanized. Left out a syllable or something or somebody left out a syllable somewhere along the line. It might be teasing vertical and it might be a retroflex T I'm not sure, but I think.

I'm not sure. Okay. All right, cool.

Um, I won't look now, unless you want me to. I just posted it in the chat.

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What did you decide what's in the text with prominent vertical copyright.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. That's Lucas. What are your dog here.

Sorry, there is some stuff like that with the titles because I looked at all of them, and there is some mistakes like that. Indeed, look at all of them. Thank you for that.

Corrects everything. I trust Lucas gender. Here we go.

He's, he's using one team. Okay. Yeah.

Is it is not retroflex one boring old dental T. Wait, I want to see it with. Oh, okay, I stand corrected.

Yeah, you want to see it with prominent prominent. Yeah, cool. Cool.

Cool. Great. Great, healthy exercise for us all.

Who does the translator about to gentle voice pizza, young form. Yes, gentle voice young form. I don't know is this too much boss I always got the impression from this we say gentle voice in his young form but, but does cure mean he became young.

Become, I like to say become young. Yeah. Which is, I think it's, I love that I mean for me personally, I just think it's so beautiful because that's not a thing that anyone does, except for who does.

Yeah, tell me about it. Yeah, it's pretty cool the idea of becoming young I think is really amazing. I like that.

Who, who does. Master Dharmakirti bow to in the opening lines of the root text. Buddha.

Who said, Mr. Tim. Mr. Tim. Yeah.

Better credit, he may have used for the Buddha that may be a reference to another enlightened being that we've talked about sometimes that could also be a name for the Buddha. This is not something I meant to ask you but something that's been lodged in my head. That other unusual.

Which. Yeah, right. Yeah, seems like maybe.

But I didn't put this here because this is whatever in discussion. Oh, um, how does the, the master here describe the two bodies of an enlightened being. It's kind of cute.

It's kind of just like you'd think but in a different kind of verbiage. What are the two bodies. Yeah, great, great word just go with it.

Take it. I'm not sure. Well the two bodies are the Dharmakaya, well depends but you can say Dharmakaya and you can say Rupakaya.

He does not happen to say Chukasukha though. No, he says something else. Cute.

Does he say like that which comes from the profound, not which comes from the good deeds. Yeah, he doesn't say comes from explicitly but it does seem that he is implying that, right. Totally awesome pure rays of light.

Yeah, it's the, it's the sap and the Gyatso. I like that. It is cool, right.

Yeah, I like it, too. I like to say I'm often going up and down in my fortunes. Okay.

Um, let's see if I can fit this on a page. Eventually, oh here. Oh, okay.

Do you want to read the Tibetan? Okay. Yeah, good.

Hmm. Yeah, I think you did the, you did the ordinarily very well. It's difficult.

Pell chair means what? Yeah, pell chair, right, right I took to be like mostly or ordinary. It's mostly, yeah.

Yeah. And unfortunately the pell, the second pell is a pun on the first pell but they're different pells. So, I think you did it very well.

People are ordinary, thus says to the ordinary. And without prowess and wisdom. I, I, cell is not so much prowess implies raw power and cell implies flexibility.

So, okay. Artistry or, I don't know, flexibility. Yeah.

Okay. Think about it, it's more quick. It's more quickness and bendability than it is power.

Yeah. Um, yeah. Dexterity for now.

Well, dexterity is normally with your hand or something I don't know you think about it. Okay, okay, I will. Also is with muscles.

Cell means. It's too plain. Cell is quickness.

Quickness, agility. Yeah. Anyway, you got to find a word.

Agility is pretty close. That's where I found it. I found it in my teacher's head.

Oh, by the way, the. I want to point out something I did with the verses. When I wrote was I put 8 9 8 9 8 9 8 9 okay and I.

Cool. Did you notice me struggling with the meter when I read. Well, when you have to split a super long line in my proposal is do even numbers and then do odd numbers you see what I mean.

So it's 8 9 8 9 8 9 8 9. Yeah. So, but my proposal is that for mixed nuts.

When the line is too long to fit in a, in a indented paragraph. We split it at the same number of beats in each line you see what I mean. And it's more elegant for me.

Just so you guys. Okay. Not only I know someone who probably just wrote it down as a mix not standard.

Yeah. I'm going to fail to stop. Making them to do money.

Yeah. Cool. I hate them.

It's a very cool verse. It's kind of very depressing. Okay, the second line is also tragically timeless.

Yeah, it is. And also it's the last verse we can understand in the text. Okay, I like the second verse is great.

Younger than this younger means because of that situation. Okay. Okay.

Younger here means because of that situation. You see what I mean? Okay.

Yes, right. Yeah, totally. You can say this is why.

That's okay. You can say this is why. This is why I have no hope that this work will benefit anyone else.

Nice. That's fine. Great.

It makes me happy to work long and hard. Okay. Yeah, it's kind of the last line is like I'm happy to start this book because I want to acquaint my mind at length and develop some purpose.

I just thought it was like hard work. You can say that. You can say that.

That's okay. Okay, I'm happy to do this. Good.

Okay. I'm happy to write this book. Okay, good.

All right. Good. Okay.

Nice. Okay. Very good.

That's really good. It's a very hard verse. And it's very famous.

It's beautiful and it's heavy. And I know it's only going to get worse from here. But just knowing his relationship with his student and I don't know.

There's almost a sadness to me in reading it. I don't know. I'm the presence of this mind that's boss.

It's very delicate. I mean, it's very beautiful. By the way, Yeshe Wangshu is going to comment about the circumstances of this verse.

Which is kind of cool. Can you read one more section here? Of course.

Yes. Nice. Generally, when someone writes a chuju, a pledge to compose, oh sorry, a praise, offering a praise, they do so to match the subject matter.

You know the school, right? Yeah, right. Yeah.

Like, I don't know. If the book's about wisdom, you're supposed to bow down to, you know, it's the rules of the ancient Tibetan king. And he says, generally, that's how people do it.

And then they will, Tsongkhapa Sosa Tsochakyi Yu, they will choose each, what's Tsongkhapa? Great question. The composer, writer.

It means author. It's just author. The author will make their, different authors will make different prostrations and praises to different objects or people, depending on the subject matter, jija.

Okay. That was the old. Do you remember why they, why did the king tell them to do that?

Oh, it was to organize the baskets for some reason? There was a rationale. A what?

There was a rationale to why you bow to certain objects at the beginning of a certain text. If the text, it was supposedly that people who were in a rush to find a book about Vinaya, if they bow down to the wrong person, they wouldn't read the rest of the book. It's a quick way to identify the subject category of the book.

And then you didn't have to read the whole book. If they bow down to Manjushri, this is an emptiness book. That's what I, it's a way, it's like a library tag.

Okay. So he says, in general, that's the way it was. And by the way, you might put a footnote, but you don't have to, because it's kind of overkill.

But this particular tencha, what's that mean? This particular classical text. And I love the word classical commentary for tencha.

This particular classical commentary is in keeping with Semakundu. Okay. In keeping with the compendium of accurate perception.

Yeah. Which was written by? Master Dignaga.

Yeah, that was Dharmakirti's teacher's great masterpiece. So Dignaga bowed down to the Buddha at the beginning of his book. So did Dharmakirti.

Okay. To the Sangye Chomdende. Bowed down and praised.

But the way in which he touched Agze, Mindana. Oh, yeah. It doesn't match.

It is different. Yeah, the way in which he did the offering of praise, the way in which he did the praising and the bowing was different. They both bowed down to the same person, but in a different way.

Okay. By the way, when I was preparing for your class in the car, I realized I had pulled out the wrong text for you here, so I replaced it. And here's the one from Pramana Samuccaya, right?

Yes. Do you want to read? Because I think it should be in your footnote.

Sure. SEMR GYUR PA'I ROL LA PHAN CHE BA LTOS PA DE ZHIG RGYOP LA CHAGS TSAL NAS SEMR DUG PHYIR RANG GI ZHUNG DGOS NAS LTOS TE NA TSOG THOR NAM GYIR GCIG BYA'O Good. SEMR GYUR PA is a person who is SEMR. Yeah, the one who turned correct, became correct, who is correct. Yeah. A person who cannot lie. So SEMR means pramana.

Pramana means logic. Pramana means perceptual theory. But when you refer to a person as a pramana person, it means a person who cannot lie.

He is SEMR GYUR PA. You know who we're talking about? This is, by the way, a standard praise style, where it's like a guessing game.

I'm thinking of someone who cannot lie. Okay? And usually it starts with K'ang.

And he ROL LA PHAN CHE BA. Yeah. His words benefit beings?

He devoted himself. This CHE PA means agreed to, or wanted to. So he devoted himself to helping living beings.

And since they used the high honorific there, I gave you another clue who I'm thinking of. Okay? I bow down to the TUM PA.

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The teacher.

[Speaker 1]
To the KYOP of the DESHIGS. Sound good? Oh, the KYOP, not the protector of the ones gone to bliss?

You're not going to translate it that way. Yay! I bow down to the SUGATA, who is the KYOP, not to the KYOP of the SUGATA, right?

Right. I bow down to the teacher, to the one gone to bliss, to the protector. It's three...

Yes. Okay. CHAG ZLA'O, having bowed down to him, TSE MA'I DRUG CHER In order to establish what it means to be accurate.

Yeah, and I think it means... I'll put this one note, right? TUM PA TSE MA'I That's how I would read it.

TUM PA TSE MA'I To achieve the TSE MA that the teacher achieved? No, to prove... He is correct that his words are accurate.

Yeah, to prove that he's a person who cannot lie, I will write a... And you've got to read KUN DE THUB PA across the line. I will write a summary of all my own works, which right now are all THOR BU.

Yeah. Scattered. And remember this story?

Dignaga wrote all these tiny books for different events that he was asked to talk at, and then he said, I'm going to collect them all together. And that's why he called this book... TSE MA'I DRUG CHER KUN LAS THUB Pramanavarttika Samuccaya And then he emphasizes that he's bringing them together with the word...

CHI Here I offer them to you in a single place. Okay? So who did he bow down to?

Also to Lord Buddha, which is in keeping with Pramanavarttika, but he did it in a different way. First... Yeah, yeah.

This was the first one written, right? Yes. Yeah, so...

Just keep it in mind. SEMS LA BYAG ZHU Keep it in your mind. How he bowed down to Lord Buddha.

What did he emphasize about Lord Buddha? His correctness. Yeah, kind of his correctness, mainly, right?

And his intention, Lord Buddha's intention. He wants to help people. And then he called him teacher, gone to bliss, and protector.

Now, that's the style of how Master Dignaga bows down to Lord Buddha. And according to our author Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk, even though Dharmakirti bows down to the same person, he doesn't do it with the same emphasis. So let's go to Dharmakirti's, okay?

And I put here for you... Is this Dharmakirti's? Yeah.

Yeah, right. Let's read this one. Here's Dharmakirti.

Right. And we also just did it, right? Last class.

Did we? I'm sorry. Okay, do you want to just...

Do you want to just summarize it? Yeah, to the one, I bow to the one who clears away that net of false conception. Nice.

I bow to the one who has the bodies, which are profound and far-reaching, suggesting that they come from, right? Understanding emptiness and bodhisattva activities. Kuntusambhu, the one who is the source of everything good, Samantabhadra, maybe sometimes a name for the Buddha.

With pure beams of light, the one who emanates every pure beam of light. Yeah. Yeah.

So if I ask... If I ask Dr. Kramer, are both of these verses bowing down to Lord Buddha? Yes.

Yeah, and what do you see as the difference, or the difference in emphasis or style? Here he's got all this light rays going out. Here he...

He basically couldn't lie or something like that, okay? Roughly. Roughly.

Now let's go see what Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk says. He says bowing to the same dude, but in a different style. Say Luke, different style.

Here's his decision about the different style. Go ahead and read. TSE MA KUN TU RGYI KHABS SU BRTAN PA LAM GANG ME CHUN TSUL BRJOD PA'I GONE YIN LA DIR DRON GYIS KUN TSUL NA BA'I GONE THOD CHAGS RJE Yeah.

In the... Khab means in the case of the Naga's world. Kuntu, yeah, in the context of the Kuntu.

They speak of Lord Buddha in terms of the lam through which he journeyed, in terms of the path which he took. Journey is high and horrific, okay? They speak of Lord Buddha in the terms of the path which he traveled.

But here, here in the Pramanavartika, they emphasize that he has DIR GNYIS KUN TSUL. Yeah, right, that he has the two good qualities, the two great collections, basically. Fulfilled both of the goals, isn't it?

Yeah, perfectly fulfilled the goals of others and himself. Okay, and maybe I got the wrong verses, because they, I don't know, they don't seem that way to me so much. I don't know.

Maybe I don't have the right verses, I don't know. I think those are... But that's all there is.

So I leave it to you to figure it out. I think that seems good. That seems right.

I mean, especially if he says... I mean, if we say became correct, right, which is how you taught it before, that process that he became correct through his intention, and then this one emphasizes what he does now for other beings, and especially, right, me, right? The two bodies, right?

Satchin Gyatso, right? Geshe H.H. Wonchuk says, talks about the two goals being fulfilled, and to suggest that they're fulfilled by these two bodies is pretty beautiful. Yeah, and by the way, we debate this fiercely in the winter debates, and as I remember, and it was almost 40 years ago, the first line is regards to the fulfilling the needs of others, and the second line is more like fulfilling the needs of himself.

Okay. But we'll get to it. We'll get to it.

It's a huge debate. Okay, now we get to pick on somebody else. Yay.

Let's see. I'll start. You have candidates there.

Oh, good. I'm sure as heck not going to pick the person vigorously shaking their head no. Instead, I'm going to go for Elva, who is high up in my pictures of people.

Do you want to try Elva?

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Thank you, Ben. I'm here. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Wow. I know what you're doing early in the morning. Yay.

Oh, you think word can teach? I don't know. All right.

Oh, the pledge to compose the work. Yeah, the promise, I will write this book or I will die trying. The pledge is in order to tar chenpa du shung.

In order to complete the work. Yeah. Somehow the karma of promising to write the book helps you to finish the book, to get to the end of the book.

Why? Because kye bu dangpa... Because, yeah, all beings.

Holy beings. Yeah, because really good people never dorwa da dun, which they have dam chak. They never discard an intention, which they have sworn themselves to.

Good. They never give up something that they swore to do. Good people never give up.

And there's a tradition of defining dam chak as dor mi rung. Okay? Yeah, not to be given up.

Yeah, this is an inside joke. He's making an inside joke, okay? So I went and found you an actual example.

Where is that? Hang on. Yeah, there it is.

So the very word for dam tsig or dam chak, almost the definition in scripture is dor mi rung. Here, okay? And here he uses it as an appositive.

The te is the commas around the appositive. So I don't know if you're in the mood, you could make a footnote. Dor mi rungwa, that which you can never give up once you pledge to it, is the definition of a commitment or a pledge.

And it applies especially to secret vows. All right, never give them up. Can I ask?

I feel like you're very good at this. And it's just, it's scary for people sometimes, right? When you're looking at a 50-year project or something, right?

Like how do you, right on, like it's scary to commit to something and say like, yeah, I will see this through, you know? Like I'm scared. I want to commit to this, right?

I want to commit to this and say, okay, I promise I'm going to finish translating this book. And I'm scared, right? Like I'm scared, what if my teacher isn't there to help me?

Because I know I could never do it without you. You'll do it. We'll finish it in the next world, okay?

Okay, I promise. All right, I'll meet you there. I'll have more hair at the beginning, okay?

Okay, I promise. All right, that's a deal. Wait a minute.

What is that? Yeah, all right, we'll finish it. Okay, this is a long, torturous paragraph.

You can really make someone suffer. Cool, good. I mean, that's basically what Rob's there for, right?

The ultimate masochist. All right. Because it has an S on it.

It's not a D. All right. Gawar gong ne tenchu di tsam te shen la ta chik, or ka chik, ka chik?

Ta chik, you got it, ta chik. Pen nam pe sam pe, no, sam pe, sampa. Me pa nu tsu ten yang.

ten young yeah I figure Ben was when he moved to Seattle his brain got more moisture and suddenly his Tibetan came on that's all I can see it must have been in there I don't know what's gonna happen in your resume Lucy it's okay well Peltier pala dot dot dot right yeah quoting the first lines of Dharmakirti is pledged to compose the work you know ordinary beings or most beings ordinary but focus on ordinary people are attached the ordinary right okay that's a cardiac yeah that line first verse okay now this is very beautiful and by the way guess she yes she won't you grow the one of the greatest modern books ever written in Buddhism in a prison he was in a prison he was there for a long time he wrote this there and so you know he's got more what do you call it Rasa what do you call street cred there's a lot behind everything you know and and it was snuck out the book was snuck out and so you so he says a lot of people are MEPA their own view and this is the main center made but this is a verb put put down their own life yeah their own heart their own mind they are they are insulting their own down on themselves yeah right lowering themselves like that they are lowering I'm how with took some three poisons yeah somebody drew a nice picture of it yesterday for me Rosa finished Rosa finished today the last piece of Sugeng's book the drawings and she took the one of the three animals in the center and she for the first time in history we have both versions of the three animals in the center in the same picture no monk do some so what are they do some well you got not y'all oh sure Timon Tim yeah Timo the chop and I mean control control yeah right sorry yeah right Timo she don't I like to talk a ignorant like in your disliking and ignorance ignorance itself the pig okay Rosa asked me why is that cow got this snake in his mouth and I'm like it wasn't a very good drawing she made it more look like a pig okay no more good soon and then he added two more of the big of the big ones been yeah right also not y'all and also pride and jealousy yeah pride and jealousy etc and there's some others what do you what was the verb I used they are their own mind they are defiling right yeah defile they are they're throwing their heart into the garbage can okay with these emotions with these negative emotions okay now that's what they do to themselves Shenla others so it's so cool because I think Dharmakirti just mentions what they are doing to others but guess he or she won't you says yeah they are criticizing wise people but they're also putting themselves there it's very beautiful Shenla chawa means they are criticizing other people kill what data those people can don't go up and don't go up I'm not claiming I'm helping those people it's impossible okay we don't even treat themselves well much less other people so look I don't claim that my book is gonna help those people it's and then II but guess yes you want to put a little ray of light in their home yes muscle pen directly it's hard to help them directly this book's not gonna help them directly but the implication is in some way it's gonna help them eventually okay yeah gone a with that going in mine that yeah that thought and that intention in my he's gonna sound attention he's gonna write this yeah classical commentary yeah and by the way it's probably a 10-year work 20-year work okay he's this is the opening line you know and so he's those are whose thoughts as he goes into the book I start talking to his thoughts and he's he says I don't have any samba yeah I don't have any like strong intention focus I don't have any I don't have the slightest thought that this is gonna know that this is gonna pin that this is gonna help other people that would be humorous that would be mystical for me to say my book is gonna help anybody talk like I'm not even one top cheek to means exclusively benefit and not hurt them also okay I look I'm not saying that this book is gonna be a hundred percent useful to other people I'm not claiming okay I don't have any such intention and he says I'm just writing it for myself I'm just trying to get more familiar with the topic you know if if anybody happens to read it that's okay but it's mainly for myself okay now the last four syllables are very telling dr.

bins that's what he says directly but yeah the but is very big right here at the end who's talking is saying that is what he says but now I'm a kid he claims he's not trying to help anyone here comes the but who's gonna Rob would you pick someone that's a great system now you can pick on liner in person Jacqueline you have to come here and what you do is you get how greedy to whisper the answers in your ear off-camera here's Jacqueline from I just heard back to Sedona okay please start here you got control of the cursor go slow and enjoy okay I'm sorry I don't know what I'm doing yeah okay I'd like to stay under it okay some pay some should love wonderful nice check yeah you can but stars you're picking on the next victim start contemplating who's gonna be next you gotta think of who's gonna get up next okay you don't have to decide now but in a few minutes okay the key here Ben is that the last three syllables shoot blood bin I mean 10 implicitly yeah listen Lee and I'll set it up for you Ben look I'm gonna spend many years writing this book about accurate perception and I have no intention to help all the idiots in the world what's the implications he will also said he will try to help those who are not idiots okay which is correct that's correct now we're gonna describe those non-idiots okay they doc like dog bar yeah that the ones who are not that way yeah once you were the opposite of the turkeys yeah the anti turkeys okay soon a is a very unusual expression which is the opposite of bias oh wow okay impartial partial is perfect impartial is perfect yeah they keep their minds open and they don't have preconceived biases so he says look I'm trying to help the biased people or like I'm trying to help the open-minded people so or namely they they don't take positions before they get the explanation and I'm trying to help the dunya to us yeah I don't know that the people's looking for big goals yeah people who are aspiring for great things okay yeah and I'm looking for people who have self mental cell right yes our last was agility that was our last maybe a lack of this word I don't sorry that's more like happy those who have this mental prowess oh I want a loader intelligence intelligence which is a new bar to which is able to write divide to tell things apart between that was yeah the good and the bad and the ugly hi Ezra dad's knees that's a tradition in our class so I'm looking for people who have this mental agility where they have a strong intelligence to differentiate between what's good and what's bad okay I just want to pimp of those guys I just want to help them and that's why I'm talking about this book right and that's why I'm writing this work and that whole idea just we discussed is shook let them right is implied yeah says I'm not writing this for her turkeys it's I'm writing it for all these kind of good people they got to be partial open-minded they have to aspire to high things and they have to have enough intelligence and when I say intelligence I mean they can separate what's goodness from what's not goodness what's the opposite of Turkey Ezra what's the opposite of a turkey what's not turkeys but the other guys we say peacocks and turkeys yeah peacocks I like it I'm sure stage you would support that yeah because in Spanish a turkey is called a royal peacock I mean a peacock is called a royal turkey that's why Ben's a peacock okay Jacqueline's gonna choose the next victim Jack hit the room two minutes you guys two minutes he's gonna read very fast okay and he's gonna do the cursor and I won't tell him three times to do

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pain how to say nice excellent stay here and this is a beautiful sentence

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and it's a very helpful when he had that sum of number when he finished posing the commentary and he finished writing his book a lang she happened oh yeah like a classic example of something no an incident an incident happened right there was a incident you know that incident he this verse at the beginning later after he finished the book Wow okay yeah he added this after the fact due to something that went down yes something went down when he finished that made him must have been to do with it is that he had to choke this verse at the beginning chakpa means people say yeah people say that's just an oral tradition they say that he added that verse later after he finished because something happened after he finished if you want to know the lang she yes I do you want to know Oh tip a towel above you know explain it below oh you later like in 48 years or something and we can we skip to the lang she please Ben if you want if you want me to I'll go find it or you can go to try to find it and we'll cover it next time I'm into it this is my last class for this term let me by the way let's just see if he does not he does not mention the word lang she in a thousand pages after that you're gonna have to find it through read read the whole thousand pages okay we did a bunch of biographies and I think there are some pretty good clues for us above in our biographical word yeah you know what they say in the mix that's to be do we say that yeah we can't find it hey Nick yes sir five minutes yes okay thank you yes sir man you guys this is a tough boss sushi boss yeah okay we are given then you have till next term to work that out thank you thank you boss no problem five minutes five minutes sushi boss Kramer yo I bet if you search truck doke you can find the link she jealous why this is not what our maturity says the beginning book I'm not saying like the jealous people or something yeah yeah maybe so okay I have a feeling there was some hater some jealous hater and that's I've only vaguely remember from our biographical work but there was a lot of people he talked about a lot of people complaining about the text and getting mad at him and there was a lot of uproar and frustration in the time that he wrote it and that it's related to that yeah we'll look it up alright thanks dude you're welcome bye bye

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