Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 17

[Speaker 2]
Good morning, dear, dear Nick. We're happy to see you.

[Speaker 1]
I appreciate your enthusiasm. Thank you. Happy to see everybody here.

Just trying to figure out what really is the position of the middle way.

[Speaker 3]
Yes. Morning boss.

[Speaker 1]
Hi. Good sleep. No.

When your alarm goes off. That's okay. Hi guys.

Hi Catherine, haven't seen you. Hi Haggerty. Hi john Campbell.

All right. I have some sales work to do. I'm going to take the first 10 minutes of Ben's text.

Here we go. I thought for Tim and Gibson, they never heard the original deals we made with the translators. So I thought it would be good to go.

And it's also an opportunity for people to help. We still need more help. So people ask me why I run around like I'm crazy.

This is how I feel. I feel like I'm in this boat. And I feel like I honestly feel that we're all on the edge of death all the time.

And I feel like we have very, very, very little time. And I think we have much less time than we all think. I actually feel like this guy in this boat.

I feel like this almost all the time. And I feel like I have to focus very carefully on the important things in my life and in what I can do for people. And so I just mean to say, someone told me, Geshe-la, you don't hang out with us.

Sometimes you seem cold. Or it seems like you're not interested in our day-to-day stuff. And I'm like, I'm totally interested.

But I see a bigger threat to everybody's life. It's very, very imminent. It's very close all the time.

I feel it very intensely. And I feel like what we're doing is the only hope for this whole world. I think the whole world is in this boat.

And they have no idea. They have no clue. And somehow they watch people die all around them all day.

And they don't notice it or they block it out. So if I seem intense or I seem like I'm pushing, I am. And that's just the way I see the world.

And that's how I see the translation team. I think it's important for us to... And now I'm talking mostly to the mixed nuts.

I think our job is not just translating. I think our job is to get people excited about our books. And it's hard.

The books are very deep. The books are not immediately usable unless you're trained in diamond mining, right? How to use the books.

And I just really, really encourage the translators to be more creative about finding ways to use your books. And it's not going to happen if you don't do it. Nobody else is going to do it.

Nobody else understands your book. Most people probably think your book is just kind of dry or not too relevant to their life. And so I know Nick has been working to try to incorporate the ideas into DCI programs and like that.

But I think each translator... And I'm talking mainly to Tim and Gibson. Each translator...

You're not just translating a book. You're trying to show people how to use it. And get out of this problem.

You're about to go down the tube. So I really, really encourage you as translators to... And you don't have to wait until you finish your book to start using it.

And to start... Last night I had a long meeting about DCI and different programs. And I realized that every time I do a page of translation with you guys, I start using it right away.

I use it in the programs immediately. And it's just a habit. And I think you have to start thinking that way.

Tim has a big influence on several large organizations. Gibson does also. And don't wait until you're done with your book.

And don't wait until you understand everything. As soon as you understand anything, start using it. And start trying to get other people excited.

Your books are the only hope in this world for every person in this world. Every person in this world is in this little boat. They're about to die.

They have no idea. And your books are their only hope, in my opinion. So you have to, you have to, have to, have to share your books.

And it's not egotistical. It's what you were meant to do in this world. It's to help the people who are just steadily dropping off into death.

Why you came to this world was to help them. Okay. You know that my publisher, when I published the Diamond Cutter business book, he gave away hundreds of copies, my editor.

And he was also the Pope's editor and Mother Teresa's editor. And he, I was kind of surprised, you know, he, the first two weeks, he gave away hundreds of copies to, to important people. You know, nowadays you would call them, what do you call those guys?

Influencers. Influencers, right. Yeah.

And he had a couple hundred copies in the mail the first week. And, and it really, really helped make the book a bestseller. So, you know, I think we have to do stuff like that.

And, and the trend I said is you can't just wait for Utpala or Rosa or Eli to, to do all that. You, you got to help. You got to step in, especially on your own book, and, and think about sending copies.

And you can send copies all over the world, you know. The people who are also studying these books in different institutions, I'm sure, in my experience, they love to have some of these books in, in English. So, you can't wait for the people at the Diamond Cutter Press to do something.

You got to, you got to help. You have to help, okay. All right, and you have to toot your own horn.

Stanley, $25. I'm Stanley's American idiom teacher. Toot your own horn.

Yeah, I charge $25 for every... I never get paid, but I do charge him. Yeah, toot your own horn means, come on, go out and tell people how cool these books are, and how book your, how cool your book is, okay.

And, and I believe that the individual translator is the person who's going to have to do the tooting, leading, leading the tooting. Okay, I think so. And, and don't wait for me to do it, and don't wait for...

The people at the Diamond Cutter Press are completely overworked. I like to, I think the mixed nuts, we should be a team for the rest of our lives. We should encourage each other.

I would love to see, you know, if Utpala finished her book and, and Word finished his first book, I would love to see them do an online tour together, and, and do some kind of combined mind-only emptiness meditation thing. And then help each, help each other financially, help each other with your children, help each other with when you're, when one person's feeling down, and they have trouble getting through their book. Then, in my opinion, a big goal of the mixed nuts is to help each other.

And, and you're very lucky to have each other. You know, when I, when I was studying all this, and when I was working on my first translations, I didn't have anyone else to help. And you're very lucky to have each other.

So, you know, we have to help each other. The best way to get more money is to fundraise for each other. It's the four steps, right?

And so you can't just wait for Geshe-la to raise some money, or, or hope that Ellie will raise some money or something, or John Brady might find some money. I mean, we all have to help each other. And we were overpaid five years ago, and inflation's running at what, 5%, 6%, 7%?

Your salary is 15%, 20% less than it was five years ago. And, and we should be getting a raise, not losing money, okay? I see everyone's rights as equal in the mixed nuts.

I would like to pay everybody equally, if we, if we can find a way. And don't wait for me to do it. I'm, I'm, I don't know if you know, but I'm kind of busy, okay?

It takes a couple hundred hours to prepare for these classes. And cross-training is essential. Somebody asked me, could I not come to the other classes?

Can I just come to the books on my class? And boy, that's, that pissed me off. But I didn't say anything.

But there's 14 different languages in this tradition. There's 14 different vocabularies in this tradition. And you have a chance to learn all of them.

And everyone else is, like this morning, we're going to do a Lojong text from a thousand years ago. And we're going to do a logic text from 1,500 years ago. And they help each other.

If you learn the vocabulary of the Lojong, it helps you with your logic studies. It's amazing. So, boy, I was, I was hot.

I usually don't say anything. But I was like, man, you are crazy. You cannot understand your book if you don't come and listen to the other books.

It's not going to happen. Okay, last thing, Ben, and then I'll give you your class back. The original principle of the Mixed Nuts, I wrote the proposal in 1975.

I couldn't get money for it. I got some federal grants to translate some logic books. But the original idea for the Mixed Nuts, I started in 1973.

This version, I started in 2015. And the original proposal was that we got a good salary. It was $50,000 per translator, and it was extra money for people in management.

And a good salary for me, too. I got double salary. And I think we have, I want to keep a high salary for this group.

I think you're worth it. I think it helps your self-esteem if you get paid a real salary and not some kind of Dharma volunteer salary or no salary. I believe you guys should be seriously paid at the level of a corporate executive.

But our support is very fragile. There's very few people helping with the fundraising. There's very few donors.

And it's not strong. So we need help, we need help, we need help. And it's all of our responsibility.

About fundraising, I've spent my whole life fundraising. And I have fundraised from huge corporations. I've fundraised from governments.

And in my opinion, because of the 14 organizations in Worldview, the easiest way for us to not waste our time raising money and get back to the translating is private donors. I think that's, in my experience from 50 years of fundraising, trying to get money from companies, trying to get money from corporations, trying to get grants, it's too much competition and too little money. And it takes a huge amount of time.

I've often stayed up all night writing a government grant. Really, it's finding private donations among the 14 Worldview organizations. And every hour I spend on fundraising, or trying to do, what do you call that?

Public relations with the fundraisers, is time that I lose from translating. So I need help. We all need help.

And we all need to help with the fundraising. We can't wait for one person to do it or two people to do it. All right.

Dr. Kramer, back to you. I've got more. I'll do it in the next class.

Thank you, Geshe Michael. Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, boss. I just want to say, I'm just so proud that I get to do this work. It's such an unbelievable honor.

And I couldn't, you know, there was a time in my life, and I did for 10 years. I did the little bits of work like this that I could for no money. And it was a joy, and I was very happy to do it.

And now I have a family, and I have responsibilities. And I just, I wouldn't be allowed to do this work without your help. And it's such an honor.

And I really try to give it my all. And it means the world to me. I'm so proud of what we do.

And I'm not, I'm not a good fundraiser. And I'm not, and it's not fair. It's not fair to Geshe Michael that I'm not better at that than I am.

You know, I just, so, you know, people are writing, and they're saying, you know, how can I help? And if you think everyone already wrote and asked how they could help, it's not true. A lot of you did, and it's really nice.

And you who are thinking maybe everyone else already wrote, not everyone wrote. And we're still waiting for you individually to write and tell us how you want to help. Fundraising is a whole beautiful art also.

And let us know how we can help you help us. You know, if you want to fundraise, we're available if you want information about the program. Or if you just want to be close to us and, you know, we'll teach you privately.

We'll help, you know, we'll whatever you need. You don't even have to fundraise if you want us to teach you privately probably because we all like helping people. And it makes us feel smart to help people.

So, you know, you reach out, and we're here, and we're excited to support you. And if you in the back of your head, you're thinking, yeah, I know some people who want to support the program, or I have some. I know some people who would be so excited about this program.

We can, you know, we can't do it without you. We can't do it without you. And a time will come when we can't do the program if people don't, you know, continue to come forward.

And the few people who are doing it now, I think the burden on them, it's a little unfair. And I'm not in a way like, you know, I'm so grateful to them. And I don't want them to think it's unfair.

It's a miracle. You know, it's a miracle. And I can't explain, you know, the gratitude that we feel.

But anyone who wants to step forward and help to ease that burden on the people who are stepping forward now, it's really it's a miracle for us. And I don't think there's anything like it in the world. I think it's a miracle for the world.

I really do. I haven't seen anything like this. And I look.

I look around all the time. I look on the Internet. In case you're not looking, I look on the Internet.

I look at my translations. It's terrible. It's a graveyard out there of non-information.

And we're trying to do something about that. And it's beautiful. And I thank all of you who are reaching out and all of you who are helping.

It means the world to us. Thank you so much, Geshe Michael. Okay, boss, I'm going to share my.

[Speaker 1]
All right. You can thank us with a nice happy homework.

[Speaker 2]
Yay. Okay. Oh, what a mess.

This one. Okay, cool. What book.

We don't really know if this is Odisha, but in, when master Dignaga was in Odisha and I, I did look a little bit. It'll come up again, but. Okay.

We don't know. And I think it requires further research and Odisha. There's a whole bunch of debates about the way this.

Town or place. Occurs differently at different times. It could be.

Udiana. It could be. Orissa.

And there seems to be some big debate about whether or not it refers once upon a time to one or more of these places. So, yeah. When a, when a mixed nuts scholar wants to sound smart, like the scholars of the past, when he doesn't know anything, he says, this topic requires further research.

What book did master Dignaga write in his cave in Odisha? How did it relate to the master's other works and how does it relate to the book? We are going to be studying here.

This kind of a soft pitch, but it seems relevant while we're having this part of it.

[Speaker 1]
It's the compendium on valid perception. And it's a compendium of all of his other works. It's he took all the major points and put them together into one book.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Right. Yeah.

It looks like he wrote a bunch of. Smaller works. On the topics that are compiled here.

And then how does this relate to, to our broader study in this grander text?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, isn't it? It's kind of the. The foundation for master Dharmakirti, which is the foundation for the book that we're working on.

[Speaker 2]
Totally. Yeah. Not, not even kind of, I mean, all the way.

It's when we call it commentary on. Yeah. The commentary on valid perception is not a commentary on the phenomenon.

On the concept of valid perception, which is what I think a lot of us thought when we first heard about the book. But it's not. It's a commentary on this book.

Oh, right. You could have done. Sorry.

Sanskrit.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Great. Good, good, good. What role did.

Lord Manjushri predict master. Compendium would come to play in the world. And can you give the Tibetan and, and English.

For this description of the role that this book would play. In the world. A big one.

[Speaker 3]
It would be the eyes. For people.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Great.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Right. Tibetan maybe.

And he didn't say it's funny. He said the phrase was like. The, the, the one and only I, so I don't know if you can say eyes.

Because I think it's illegal to say one and only eyes. But, but, but maybe the two and only eyes. Since they generally come in pairs.

[Speaker 1]
In order to, in order to beautify the body.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right. Uh huh.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, exactly right. They say, yeah, the only I with which beings will see I, you know, I'm not standing by that translation intensely for now but. But I have time.

To fully grok, the material, and won't jump to a final translation prematurely. Name three. Three miraculous omens that occurred as Master Dignaga lay sleeping in the forest.

Give the honorific and non horrific for the dream.

[Speaker 1]
Me Lama.

[Speaker 2]
Tell mom. No mom. Yeah, good.

Yeah, no mom. Nice. Good.

Nice. What pretty nifty things happen as you lay there dreaming of the trees all, all bowed down in prostrations lowering their branches and from which flowers would be in that nice. Yeah.

What else happened. Crickets. There's another one that I'm keen in this guys were walking around and they came by and made offerings and did happen, not not an omen, but yes.

Flowers. They did. Yeah.

Right from the flaws rain flowers upon them. One more thing and it came up again last night in the context of the. Yeah, what about them.

That mean, you know, for other people. Obviously, I know. Cooling shade.

Yeah cooling shade How did this relate to something that come up came up last night just for hoots and giggles.

[Speaker 1]
Someone else's book had it.

[Speaker 2]
We had.

[Speaker 1]
I remember.

[Speaker 2]
What else is still silly. So, Silky, what else sales.

[Speaker 1]
Tim's book in the poetry. Yeah, the light of the light was cooling. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, cool.

[Speaker 1]
Jason Kappa.

[Speaker 2]
Jason Kappa. Yeah, great.

[Speaker 1]
Don't forget to leave your PayPal account addresses.

[Speaker 2]
Good. Let's, um, quick sidebar before we kind of go into the text via my attempt at a translation guess like you gave me a zero hour assignment in reference to Adam's text last night that went so so kindly word before I had a chance to get up from my desk gave me one option which was cool. On this question of shoe.

Also we found it I found it in. Wow. Yeah, I didn't find it in mine unfortunately, which might have been cool.

I don't know. Also I would say, um, maybe this question requires further investigation but I thought about it in reading and I think that it's sometimes searching and learning to search for information is a sort of a meditation. Also it gets you thinking about the way that authors are talking about things and it was sort of we were playing with this question about the etymology of the concept of, of how logic works through the power of a thing.

And did it refer more to. Yeah, the, the thing having a power to impart some information to the thinker or to the mind, or did it have to do with the power of the thing to impart its, its result, through which you could know it, but I'll tell you what came up in in these studies, is that, of course, there are three types of of this type of this type of indirect valid perception, which are that which comes from reasoning which comes from a result reasoning that comes from, like the, the nature of a thing, junction, and then reasoning which comes from a thing not being there.

[Speaker 1]
Yep.

[Speaker 2]
By the way, of course, one of those is an unchanging thing. And then, of course, two of those could relate to unchanging things so for example, consider the, the consider space. It is without function, because it is unchanging.

Right, so you could neither say that space was asserting to you. It's information because it's unchanging nor could you say that it that it was asserting a result, because it's unchanging. I mean, so I think it seems like a question of, again, maybe more like etymology than the function of the thing because it seems like the, the phrase is used in a context that certainly extends itself past changing things past things that necessarily have no right past things that are nobles.

I don't know, I don't know boss.

[Speaker 1]
Let's, let's keep looking for someone, for some authority who took a shot at it. None of these, none of these is an etymological explanation.

[Speaker 2]
No, and that wasn't something I was able to find and these are all similar these are all definitions and divisions. Good. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
But it's good that you tried it was pretty late last night. Yep.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Whoops, we did this already. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
I didn't see it much. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, well that's all right. A little bit. Okay, let's make a mess of this then now.

[Speaker 1]
All right.

[Speaker 2]
I just grabbed the next two, you didn't assign a thing but I just grabbed the next two little pieces and if you don't mind looking.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. And defeated many...

Yeah, there's a word here, tsar chep, which means tsar chepa ya. You can say defeated, yeah. And also in a final sense, okay.

How did he defeat them?

[Speaker 2]
Let's see. Tsar che ne hon tsar chapa. Oh, with his logic.

Yeah, okay. Tsar che, thank you. Yeah, totally.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Lung kyi lopay lung kyi tsukpa. Chushi here means Dharma tradition. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that wasn't clear to me.

[Speaker 1]
Which were tsukpa by lopans of the past. You see what I mean? You see what I mean?

Dharma traditions which had been founded or instituted, instituted by masters of the past and those systems had nyamba.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, those systems had degenerated or had fallen away, had deteriorated.

[Speaker 1]
He tsar chepa, tsar chepa. Interesting. He revived them, in a sense.

[Speaker 2]
Interesting. So almost like, I mean, in this case we mean like a philosophical system, but almost like taking the full nuns vows or something and restoring them or like finding a lineage that had been dropped off.

[Speaker 1]
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Okay, that's helpful.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
So the rest is good. Let's go to the second one. Okay.

Then he went back to Odisha or whatever that is.

[Speaker 2]
Calling it for now.

[Speaker 1]
And by the way, you might be able to get some information in the database itself. Right, yeah. Maybe somewhere somebody says it's equal to Udiana.

[Speaker 2]
That would be nice.

[Speaker 1]
I'd be interested to see what Lokesh Chandra says.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I did not find it in Lokesh Chandra.

[Speaker 1]
I bet you can. I bet it's probably misspelled, even the Tibetans. So he loves to find the Sanskrit for place names, so he's pretty good at that.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know what I brought. Oh, yeah, I see.

[Speaker 1]
Good, that part's good. Chuk Tamsay. Sorry.

Who served as Jindak?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, I assumed it was the king.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it just says one Brahmin, a certain Brahmin. You see what I mean? There should be a break after Chuk.

There may have even been a comma that got lost. And then one, a certain Tamsay, unnamed. Oh, you see.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, okay. And it bothered me because I think traditionally, anyway, kings in India are Kshatriyas and not Brahmins, so it's not Brahmins.

[Speaker 1]
Cool, okay.

[Speaker 2]
That's great. That feels better.

[Speaker 1]
And he built 16... Yeah, Tsultrim Lhikang technically is a temple. What did it used to mean?

[Speaker 2]
Library, place where you... Yeah, library.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, a place where you keep the holy books. And then that has come to mean a temple, but it never refers to a monastery. See what I mean?

[Speaker 2]
Okay, okay, right.

[Speaker 1]
Cool.

[Speaker 2]
And at Sera Mae, the temple has come to be a library, which is nice when it goes the other way.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that was a weird... That was a very weird thing that happened. I mean, it's a weird great thing that happened.

My class built the library. That was our contribution to the monastery, but they made a bigger one, which was good. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, thank you, boss. I'll fix it up.

[Speaker 1]
Good job. Here we go. Back to work.

Wait, wait, wait. Go back. Go find...

Yeah, good. Mr. Nick is checking you. Gendinki.

Oh, it's spelled wrong, by the way. Right. I just noticed.

Get in. Yeah. Oh, sorry.

What's going on?

[Speaker 2]
The pitfalls of justification.

[Speaker 1]
I'll do it later. Okay. Okay.

Gendinki de...

[Speaker 2]
Gendinki de chenpo la, cheshi tu ma suk de denu sungi, chen yen de yul der, mungshdi haritaka.

[Speaker 1]
Mungshdi haritaka. You don't call this mungshdi haritaka?

[Speaker 2]
Not personally. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. ZHAG BDUN NAS NGON SHIN DU SOR SPYOD PA'I SKYE BO KUN YI CHE THOB Yeah, it's a nice story.

[Speaker 1]
I think you guys, together with Nick, I think you guys can figure it out.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, help Nick.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, a word that you're going to need is SPYOD ZHI, which we just talked about.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, it's a Dharmic lineage or tradition. Good, good. Okay, so the...

Oh, DE CHEN PO, is this not another term for the greater way, like greater way monks?

[Speaker 1]
No, among a great... Collection? Collection of monks, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, the Dharma tradition. MASUK?

[Speaker 1]
No, read it together.

[Speaker 2]
DUMA TZUK. Oh, DUMA TZUK. Oh, CHESHI.

DUMA, lots of Dharma traditions. Yeah, HE TZUKED.

[Speaker 1]
He instituted them.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he started some, okay, or lots of them, apparently. DENG DZIN the three baskets. Oh, he taught them.

[Speaker 1]
Well, this is a LAM RIM idiom, which means teaching and listening. So it means education, really. Teaching by the teachers and listening by the students.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, so he started a lot of little lineages or little dojos, little schools. They were teaching a bunch.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, great. YUL THER, in that place?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in that land, there was...

[Speaker 2]
There was MUSHTI HARITAKA.

[Speaker 1]
That means pen.

[Speaker 2]
Right, yeah, it stands for pen. Not a lot of people realize that. CHESHI, that was his name.

[Speaker 1]
No, it's the name of a SHING.

[Speaker 2]
It's the name of a... Oh, what's the forest? A forest, a farm?

[Speaker 1]
Of a particular tree, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, MUSHTI HARITAKA tree.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, that's the personal name of the tree. The tree was an ARURA tree.

[Speaker 2]
The tree was an ARURA tree, and the tree had a personal name.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it was so famous.

[Speaker 2]
Wow, cool. All right. KHYAD PAR, and it...

[Speaker 1]
And here's the original meaning of KHYAD PAR BHAG PA. It was a... It means towering high.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, cool.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so the DOMBO, the trunk, was towering high. What is ARURA, you guys? We had it a million times in the Medicine Buddha Sutra.

[Speaker 3]
Amalaki. Yeah. It has little red berries on it, and it's a...

Berry blossom. They use it as a medicine. It's Amalaki.

It's an amla. It's one of the three in Triphala.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's also called... Is it called Chinese plum, I think?

[Speaker 3]
Cherry plum.

[Speaker 1]
Cherry plum, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Cool.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, anyway, it is the number one medicine from ancient times.

[Speaker 2]
My secret support team, Adam, in the chat direct messaged me that we're talking about the trunk of that tree, the DOMBO.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the trunk was massive, meaning very high. The fruits of that tree, GNAS THAMS CAD SO BAR NUS There was something wrong with them.

[Speaker 2]
The fruits... No. Cured all sickness.

Oh, they cured all sickness. That's better.

[Speaker 1]
They had the capacity. They had the ability to cure all sickness.

[Speaker 2]
It doesn't explicitly say fruit here, does it? But this is the implication, right?

[Speaker 1]
It doesn't say what specifically?

[Speaker 2]
Fruit. You said the fruits of the tree.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it does not say that. Yeah.

Okay. But it is the fruit, which is the medicine. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, we know that.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. And at one do, it comes, the SHING BSGOM PA.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, at one time, the tree...

[Speaker 1]
Brought it up.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Brought it up. Right.

[Speaker 1]
Hey, Nick, I can hear Amelie whispering answers in your ear.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that's cheating.

[Speaker 1]
Sorry, I had to run away for a second. She got up. She got up a little early.

[Speaker 2]
No fair. Ezra's still sleeping. I'm going to look dumb.

[Speaker 1]
Tie him in the bed until 8 o'clock, Nick. You don't know this? Okay, come back here.

And Lopen did a denture.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, an act of truth?

[Speaker 1]
Nice, nice, nice. Yeah, he spoke an act of truth. You know, I don't know what he said.

Maybe he said, if I'm the most handsome translator in my country... Okay. And then within DUN ZHAGS.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, within seven days?

[Speaker 1]
Days, yeah. The tree, NGON SHIN GDUG SOG CHOD. This is the same verb we just had above for restoring a tradition.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Yeah, okay. It was like restored to health.

[Speaker 1]
To just the way it was before.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, okay. NGON SHIN, right, just like it was before.

[Speaker 1]
Because of that, all the jewels got Yi Che.

[Speaker 2]
Everybody was just so happy.

[Speaker 1]
They believed in him. Yeah, they believed in him, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Better.

[Speaker 1]
Good.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
All right, good. Good question. Mr. Adam, can you help him with the next two sections?

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
LHUGS BUN GYI, RGYAL BA'I THAMS PA LA, CHAG RJE LA NA MED PA, RDVSA OR SO, CHAG PHUG TU, KU SHIG SO.

[Speaker 1]
The only difficult word here is CHAG RJE.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right. I mean, yeah, it seems like prostrated after.

[Speaker 1]
Imprint? Yeah, it means to leave your mark on the teaching. To leave your...

Oftentimes it's GANG RJE. But RJE means a footprint or a handprint. This spelling means a handprint.

Okay. So he left his mark on the teachings.

[Speaker 2]
He was the king of the teachings.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. It means he left his... By the time he passed away, he had left his mark on the teachings.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. The very highest mark.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Before he left Odisha, or specifically in Odisha.

[Speaker 1]
KU SHIG is a euphemism for...

[Speaker 2]
Passing away.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he passed away. In a drug poop.

[Speaker 2]
Cave? Oh, in a cave. Yeah, right, of course.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in a cave.

[Speaker 2]
God loves his cave. Maybe the drug poop.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe the same drug poop. Could be.

[Speaker 2]
It seems to imply that, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay, Adam, you're still up. Ben's got one more here.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Okay. Good.

Yeah. So his... What, like relationship with the Dharma?

[Speaker 1]
This is a nice, nice word. And oftentimes a young... DHA student will travel to another city if a famous teacher is teaching, and they'll just ask for an audience of five minutes or something.

And they'll say, I just want to make a chundo with you. You know? I want to make a Dharma connection with you for my future life.

So, it means here the drow was not blood. It wasn't a blood relationship. It was a Dharma relationship.

Yeah. And so he had lo mas, enough to kyap da sa.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, to cover the earth? The earth was covered?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Wow.

[Speaker 1]
If you count up all the students who had a personal Dharma connection with him, meaning who were his scripture students, they actually covered the whole planet of earth. All right?

[Speaker 2]
Wow. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
And chi shin dangway, dangwa means to follow, right? So chi shin means after, follow, those who succeeded him.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Chi kyang ma sung here means there wasn't one of them who wasn't keeping the jangpay yun ten chun yi. Okay, yeah. All right.

And these are 12, I think we went through them before. And if you want, Ben, we can go through them now. They are taught very masterfully by Geshe Tsewang Tsangdrup, who wrote the Three Vows book that we use for our Bodhisattva vows, and for our Diamond Way vows.

And it's a great summary of the monk's vows. Okay. So he actually, let me see where it starts.

[Speaker 2]
Unfortunately, we have it from someone else's footnote.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. That footnote is based on this very quotation. So let's start from, it's a nice thing to know, and it's a very, what do you call it?

If you guys want a topic from which to suck some practical life tools for your students from your books, here's a great one, okay?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. So let's start from the beginning. Okay.

And who's going to help you is Dr. Haggerty? You want to try?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Oh, wow. Yeah, here's a mistake.

I was like, what the heck? Okay. All right.

Okay. Sumba, not to get good, but by tungwa. Sumba, not to get...

Distracted by thirst?

[Speaker 3]
Working hard not to get contaminated by downfalls.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, by moral downfalls. This is advice to monks. Please work hard at not getting sullied by moral downfalls.

If you happen to get good, please do a shatpa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, fix it. Confection.

[Speaker 1]
And you're probably going to have to do that shatpa again.

[Speaker 2]
Continuously.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Because whatever we break once, we tend to break multiple times.

Bepa means tundru.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, again, try hard. Do it.

[Speaker 1]
Work hard. Work hard at your confessions, yeah. Then he says, gelong du chung chok she.

Gelongs should keep the ancient Abhidharma principle, the bifurcated principle, the two-part principle of du chung and chok she.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
This is a very important Abhidharma principle. Chok she means be satisfied with what you have.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, don't want too much.

[Speaker 1]
And don't want too much. And they're separate things. Chok she means you love your old blue jeans.

Seriously, seriously. Du chung means you don't seek new ones. Okay.

And they go together. Chok she with your old blue jeans, and du chung about buying new blue jeans before you need them.

[Speaker 2]
I had some old blue jeans that were running out, and it seemed like the company didn't make them anymore, so I looked all over the Internet and found a place that still had them, and I bought two more pairs, so I did not do this.

[Speaker 1]
I know. I always struggle with this. V is like, why don't you buy three pairs if you find it?

I'm like, that's like $600, you know? She cheng gi. Then when a monk, chod so, makes use of, sorry, when they make use of lung chu, things like se, and ge, and mei, and mel.

[Speaker 2]
I know except for mel, right? Food, clothes, house, and mel is not a car.

[Speaker 1]
The allowable mattress. So with regard to how monks should make use of these possessions, right, the 12 rules were instituted. Okay, jangpay yen den chen ni, the 12 rules for the use of physical necessities in a monk's life, okay?

And here's the list, okay? And I'm going to attempt to put in the numbers as you go.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. I'm Yongbao Dang. My name is Chimilin.

I am a monk in the Chakdar Monastery. My name is Dukpa Danglakapme.

[Speaker 1]
Good.

[Speaker 2]
My name is Chokpor Dukpa Dangshijishin.

[Speaker 1]
Good. That's the summary of the 12, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Oh.

[Speaker 1]
And I'm going to go back, and I figured them out one day. Number one is begging for your food, okay? So that's senyong.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right.

[Speaker 1]
Number two is eating this food only once per day.

[Speaker 2]
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1]
Okay?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So, den chik means in one sitting, you're supposed to eat it. This den means a chair or a seat, right? Uh-huh.

And chi means after noon, don't take more, okay?

[Speaker 3]
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1]
Number three is, oh, sorry. No, so once a day eating, and then not eating in later. So you have to make two numbers here.

Okay. Where were we? Yeah.

Here we are. So that's three.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
It took me a while to figure them out. Sure. Then number four is wearing only the three religious robes.

Okay. So that's chugusum. Chingwa chakdar che means wearing robes only of inexpensive material, which was a kind of wool.

Chingwa means a kind of wool, which was cheap. It's like blue jeans material. Okay.

And then chakdar means the garbage cans. Okay. And trun means you're supposed to get them from amidst the garbage cans.

Okay. So you're only supposed to wear robes made of cloth taken out of the garbage can. You are in no way allowed to buy cloth.

In the old, old tradition, you are required to take the cloth out of the garbage can. When other people got their shipment of new jeans and threw out their old jeans. And by the way, if the robes were made today, they would be blue jean material.

Okay. It's just the cheapest material in your country. Okay.

Well, maybe not cheap. Okay. So chingwa and...

hang on. Oh, I misnumbered here. Five.

Six. I love this next one, number seven. Let me see if that's the number.

Yeah. Gumba means stay in a cloister. Okay.

Stay in a monastery.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And when necessary, like when traveling... Gumba means in the presence of, right?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
It's traditionally described as lying down at the foot of a tree and sleeping. Okay. Okay.

So make your... if you're traveling and you're not staying in a monastery, then just... the reason you have a monk shawl is that it's a portable sleeping bag.

That's why you have a monk shawl. And you're supposed to wrap yourself up and sleep at the foot of a tree. Number nine.

Number nine. We are over time? Yeah.

We need to stay 12. Lagap Man means do not sleep with a cover over your head. Like sleep under the open sky.

Okay. Number 10 is... Sokpo.

Okay. Sokpo means... what is that?

Never sleep excessively. And when you sit, always sit in an unsupported meditation posture. Don't lean on a chair.

And then... Durterpa means get your stuff out of the graveyard, okay? Where people have thrown dead people's stuff.

All right.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Good.

[Speaker 1]
And then 12 is...

[Speaker 2]
What are you getting out of the graveyard? Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
There's... I guess this is 12. But it means your mattress is supposed to be made of grass and leaves.

Shijishin. So you can have fun during the next few weeks of finding those explained here. Okay?

So here's the whole commentary. And what he did was he gave you a dome. What's a dome?

[Speaker 2]
It's a summary in verse.

[Speaker 1]
Good. And then he gave the commentary to it. And you can have fun with that, okay?

You can translate the whole thing. It's very... Here's number 7.

Here's number 8 misspelled for you.

[Speaker 2]
Super.

[Speaker 1]
Okay? And you can find all 12 here, okay? Cool.

All right. And we look forward to that translation when you come back.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, I'll try.

[Speaker 1]
All right, cool. All right.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you. Awesome. My last class for the term.

Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. I'm sort of sad, but I'm also happy I can sleep. I guess everybody's in the same place.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. A lot. Yeah, I love it.

But yeah, I'm tired. But it's the best.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Nick, can we take five? Yes, yes.

That's perfect. Thank you so much, Keshala. You're welcome.

Thanks, everybody.

[Speaker 2]
I dream of a planet on which we can do this every day at noon. Yeah. Noon for everybody.

[Speaker 1]
This morning I was trying to think of a different way to change the time zones, but okay. I guess we could all move to Hawaii. We could all move to Hawaii.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
That's a reasonable. No, let's move to the mountains. There are mountains in Hawaii.

[Speaker 2]
They're beautiful. No, no.

[Speaker 1]
Cool mountains.

[Speaker 2]
They're so cool. I know. It snows in Hawaii on the mountains.

Sorry, I'm a northern girl.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Well, you can be up in Kamchatka.

[Speaker 2]
I'd like to move to Europe. That's a suggestion in the chat is Europe. I'm in.

That sounds cool.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Paris. Or go to Portugal.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, Paris. Any of these things. It's fine.

I'll live virtually anywhere to be around great people. I even lived in Bowie for 10 years.

[Speaker 3]
So really, I'd go anywhere for you.

[Speaker 1]
That's a special treat. All right. See you guys in five.

Thank you. See you in five minutes. Yay.

Thank you.