Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 2

[Speaker 3]
I didn't even notice. Mixed nerds.

[Speaker 2]
Good.

[Speaker 1]
At least it didn't start with a T.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, I didn't. Okay, everybody, please give us the full Tibetan name of the author of the that we are using for Master Dignaga. Crickets.

How about a short Tibetan name of the author, the not full. I'll give you a hint, it ends in Rinpoche. Hey, all right.

It's a better clue than it should have been, right? Yeah, exactly. We all end in Rinpoche, but still.

But still, somehow that was. Yeah, right. What's any more of his name available to us?

Can anyone get past Bhutan?

[Speaker 3]
I don't know. There's like three different ones in here. Youngson Yeshe Gyeltsen.

Some other guy with a T.

[Speaker 2]
Well, cool. Then I'm glad we had this.

[Speaker 3]
Venerable Yinten. Jetsun Tarnata.

[Speaker 2]
Obviously, it was material worth covering.

[Speaker 3]
Did you say Venerable Yinten? Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
What else is he famous for?

[Speaker 3]
Venerable Yinten Rinpoche? Yeah. You know the answer.

[Speaker 2]
Don't get the answer here. Just kidding. Yeah, great.

Yeah, right. Say again.

[Speaker 3]
Putting together the Kangir and the Tengir.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, great. Cool. What's that?

[Speaker 3]
The translations of the word of the Buddha and the translations of the Indian commentaries.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, cool. All right, sounds good. The Buddha was also Indian.

[Speaker 1]
But the commentaries.

[Speaker 2]
Sure, also. Yeah, totally. Right.

[Speaker 1]
990 books in the Kangir and 3,600 books in the Tengir. So he did some work.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, even more than the little bit of extra homework Geshe-la has been giving us this term.

[Speaker 3]
Slightly more.

[Speaker 2]
Though I stressed about it just as much. But we'll get there. Would you kindly give the Tibetan and Sanskrit names for the tradition that Master Dignaga's first vow master came from?

[Speaker 3]
The Vatsiputra one?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right. The Vatsiputra ones. Right.

Which is both Sanskrit and English. But I think it's a nice combination. The Vatsiputri ones.

What's that in Tibetan?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I have no idea.

[Speaker 3]
What the heck is it? Nema-pupay-jitumepay? No.

[Speaker 2]
Well, yeah, you added a little. They're just the Nema-pupas. But it's possible that you just covered the answer to both questions in this question, including the sub-question, which is what is special about that system's belief amongst other Buddhist groups?

[Speaker 3]
Oh, they accept an idea of a self that is indescribable.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, all right. What other features did we get from Bhutan Rinpoche's biography? What other features did we get of this indescribable self?

That's just like bonus.

[Speaker 3]
How could he give any more? Because it's indescribable.

[Speaker 2]
Did. He gave two other features. You can describe.

I mean, if you can't apply features to an indescribable thing, then you can't call it indescribable.

[Speaker 3]
So the first indescribable. Indescribable. Yeah, I got it.

Oh, right.

[Speaker 2]
Which is kind of a hint. It's just a bad hint. But it means that it's indescribable, and it's not some other things.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, it's indescribable. Stanley gets the big bucks.

Zero dollars for Stanley and twice as much to the next person. So it's not the heaps, and it's not. Not the heaps.

[Speaker 3]
Something other than the heaps.

[Speaker 2]
Stanley gets three times as much zero money. Cool, great. Yeah, I like it.

Yeah, he did say that. That wasn't in the homework. But I thought that maybe someone was smart enough.

And I was right. I was smart enough to know that people were smart. Who was the famous teacher that Master Dignaga went on to study with after leaving his vowmaster?

[Speaker 3]
Master Vasubandhu.

[Speaker 2]
That's a slow pitch. What two topics did he become especially skilled at during his studies with this teacher? Abhidhamma.

And logic.

[Speaker 3]
Mind only.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, sure. Yeah, pretty good mind only and logic instead of Abhidhamma. Though, yes, he did write a commentary to Abhidhamma.

But it was noted that he was particularly good at mind only and the study of valid perception. But what are accurate perception? What's the Tibetan term for accurate perception?

That's an easy one. And what term was used for the mind only school in this case?

[Speaker 3]
Oh, right. Namrikpa.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, Namrikpa. Cool. Which means what?

[Speaker 3]
The mentalist.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Now, we'll see. I'm on the fence about that translation.

Geshe-la is the boss because he's always the boss. Do you know the other meaning of mentalist, Geshe-la? Do you know it has another English meaning?

[Speaker 3]
There's two English meanings. Magician or something.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. It's like someone who seems to do magic by picking up cues. Something.

[Speaker 3]
That sounds like mind only to me.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, maybe. Okay, cool.

[Speaker 3]
And in England, it means a crazy person.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, they're a mentalist? I know they're mental, but I don't know if they're mentalists.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, they say that about crazy people in England.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, my gosh.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Well, maybe it is good. You're talking me back into it.

Okay. Now, we're going to go over to my ill-fated attempt at translation. Now, now.

No, no. Genuinely. No, no, no.

It's okay. But I'm not going to change it now. It can't get worse because I lacked faith in it.

What already happened is I had to emergency reach out to Nick out of panic.

[Speaker 3]
Hey, Nick, you're the go-to guy. Two people so far reached out to me.

[Speaker 2]
He was extremely helpful. Maybe. I did struggle with this stuff before because I was so panicked.

I couldn't make sense of anything. I made some desperate attempts at the things that came before also that you told me not to translate, but I was just hoping they were going to shed some bit of light. But here, you put me here-ish.

[Speaker 3]
Dollar signs or the number signs?

[Speaker 2]
Yes. He said do the number signs. And if you have so much more time on your hands, go ahead and do the dollar signs.

But I really, I mean, I was in trouble. I really needed Nick. I was tearing out my hair.

I was panicked. And Nick saved me from feeling like there was no hope, even if it's still wrong. If it's totally wrong, it's all Nick.

But I think there's something there.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, anyway, you did a good job. Let me see. Yeah.

Yeah. It's good. It's good.

The only suggestion I have on the first sentence is who is wiping out. So chi means erasing or wiping out. Chi and soup are the same.

Chi specifically means how do you say an attendant to a high lama?

[Speaker 3]
A foot wipe.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, a foot wipe. So it's like somebody's using a cloth and wiping it off. All right.

You did, Kuri and Kyelka, you did very well. You know, gupa gya chenpo yupe. Machi.

Oh, yeah. You missed the gupa gya chenpo yupe.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I was baffled. Cool.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, it just means, look, this what, Nick? Oh, sorry. Uh-oh.

[Speaker 3]
Well, we went over it. So it was like gupa gya. There's no great need to be doing that.

There's no like.

[Speaker 1]
No, there's no negative here. Because these words are super important, right? Okay.

I lost you.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, did you? No, we're just sitting here agape waiting.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay. Yeah. Gupa gya chenpo means these are going to help a lot of people, you know.

There's a big purpose. There's a huge purpose to what I'm writing. Okay.

So don't, if you're just making, if you're just having fun, then please don't erase this stuff. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, if you're dealing out of jealousy, it's not going to help you. Because the words are in my mind and it won't help you if you erase them. That's good.

Yeah, and it's great. The rest of the translation is great.

[Speaker 2]
Thanks, Nick.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. This means, you know, if you think you can, right? Okay.

If you think you can debate me, then yeah, show yourself and let's go at it. Very nice. It's a good translation.

Yeah, it's a good translation. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
I like that. If you think you can, that's great. Once I was going to put that.

Anyway, great.

[Speaker 1]
The only thing you're missing is the cheese, so.

[Speaker 2]
Oh.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. You just have to write at the beginning of this sentence. You have to say, he wrote the following on the wall.

Dignaga wrote the following on the wall. That's all.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, wait a minute. He wrote these words on the wall, you're saying?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
So he wasn't calling out. I had said the like, he called out.

[Speaker 1]
Well, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that key, the verb is at the end of the whole two paragraphs.

[Speaker 2]
Cool. Wow. So he then wrote that, so twice this thing happens, and the third time, he doesn't come back a third time and write the verse.

He writes this on the wall.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. He says, come on, you know. You want to go at it?

Let's go at it. But stop doing this.

[Speaker 2]
That's cool. Okay, he wrote this the third time. That's cool.

[Speaker 1]
Hey, you did a good job. You did a good job.

[Speaker 2]
It was bad. It was bad. Oh, my Lord.

If Nick had not been there.

[Speaker 1]
No, you did a good job. You did a good job. And I think maybe you guys learned one thing.

It's that if you collaborate, you can do a lot better job.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, well, Nick happened to be available at my perfect desperate moment. And if he hadn't been, you'd be less proud of me today. And I'm happy that we're doing this exercise.

And I'm going to be very happy, even when my full shame is shown when I can't reach Nick in the next emergency.

[Speaker 1]
And so I think getting another makes less help if it shows you're a good translator.

[Speaker 2]
I'm always smarter near Nick.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, my God. Yeah, to refuse to seek help is a dangerous fault. So that's good.

[Speaker 2]
I'm very lucky that I have a dear friend who's willing to spend time with me like that. And it's been an incredible gift to me for many years.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yay, Nicholas.

[Speaker 2]
All right, boss. I'm going to take the plane. You take the plane.

[Speaker 1]
Later, Jaru's going to learn Tibetan. And you won't have to use Nick, OK?

[Speaker 2]
Perfect.

[Speaker 1]
Let's see. I got so many things here. Maybe I should get your text up before I show it.

[Speaker 2]
We've hatched some feelings about the previous part that we're going to do since we floundered around on that, trying to make sense of things.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, that's OK. Let me see where we are. OK, here we go.

Here we go. OK. Let me move you guys.

Let me get the big cursor. Big curse. Yeah, Nick, we're going to go down and stay at Royal Pumps for a couple of days.

OK. And, Jigme, I might need a ride home at some point when you're in Phoenix, OK? Yeah, sure.

All right. V's mom is quite young. Yeah.

Yeah. OK, let's go, Mr. Kramer. OK.

Nick's checking. Your friend is checking.

[Speaker 2]
Cool. Du Ma Chung.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, thanks for reading the du with the ma. Du Ma Chung would mean nothing happened. OK.

Now, normally the first verse of a composition contains two parts. Do you see him?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so then he finished doing his praise and his pledge to compose the work.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in the opening verses you always praise some high object and you always make a promise to write the book. Good.

[Speaker 2]
And then all of a sudden the earth shook.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. All he did was write the first verse.

[Speaker 2]
And there was a blinding light.

[Speaker 1]
Exactly. And a du ma chung bo.

[Speaker 2]
And a deafening sound. And then there were a bunch of Hindu teachers Who? Who were, they were, I don't know, standing around or something.

They used their magical power and anger to throw a bunch of like, I don't know, nasty like signs or omens or stuff like this at him. Is that right?

[Speaker 1]
This day means a good omen. OK. This day means a good, a good, fantastic omen.

Khyapa chen. A lot of good omens happened. So it's including the earthquake and the light and the sun.

And then all the, all the non-Buddhist teachers were confounded, which is a good sign.

[Speaker 3]
What's the arrogance about though?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, their shin here means face. So be careful when you see shin. OK, their faces fell.

Their faces fell. They're like, ah, you know. OK.

I mean, they, they, they started to look like they ate a, they ate a, an eggplant. OK.

[Speaker 2]
What's the chenpa then? I mean, they're blessed. I don't understand.

What are they?

[Speaker 1]
All their magical powers. Here, chenpa means, this is chen lap, which means their, their mystic powers suddenly got screwed up. And even their faces were like, eh, OK.

[Speaker 2]
I don't understand. So their mystic powers were, were, where's the screwed up here?

[Speaker 1]
I don't understand. Rangba distributes to the jinn.

[Speaker 2]
Oh.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, they got screwed up. Their faces screwed up and their powers got screwed up.

OK.

[Speaker 2]
OK. OK.

[Speaker 1]
All right.

[Speaker 2]
And there were a lot of other signs like this that appeared.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, lots of good signs.

[Speaker 2]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
OK.

[Speaker 2]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
OK. Ali, you want to check his next paragraph?

[Speaker 2]
She does.

[Speaker 1]
I nodded.

[Speaker 3]
OK.

[Speaker 2]
We're not looking at your face. I need your constant reassurance. OK.

OK. So was it one of these guys or there was just some guy nearby, or is he one of the mutekpas we had earlier, but his name is maybe something like Indriya Krishna or.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I was hoping that you might. Maybe he's famous, but maybe he's not.

[Speaker 2]
I just, I looked around.

[Speaker 1]
OK.

[Speaker 2]
If it's Indriya Krishna, it would, I don't know. It would be, that's a famous guy that we had in my other book who was like one of the main, he was the guy who wrote the Sankhya Karika that Chandrakirti quoted.

[Speaker 1]
But yeah, it could be him. What's Tup in Sanskrit?

[Speaker 2]
Like Muni?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, like Muni. Then Gyalwa is either going to be Jinnah or Raja, right? Yeah, right.

And then Lakshman is going to be Krishna. So look for some Krishna, Muni.

[Speaker 2]
Jaya Muni or something.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, or something like that. And if you can't find the name, then let's just translate it. The dark, silent, majestic one or something, I don't know.

Anyway, what's NGES LOGS NA? You guys don't know this word, I think.

[Speaker 2]
I do now. It means nearby in that area.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in the vicinity. Yeah, NGES LOGS means nearby, yeah. Shejao Shigi, there was a guy by that name.

He used his NGON SHES DRANGS MO.

[Speaker 2]
Right, he had a little bit of clairvoyance.

[Speaker 1]
Well, this DRANGS MO means... I don't think this is derogatory. I think it means subtle, yeah.

With a very delicate power of clairvoyance, he looked.

[Speaker 2]
He used it to look and he saw the power in the mind of Master Dignaga and he was jealous.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you can say that. Dave Turshete, he understood the power of these words or of the writer and he got trapped though.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he was jealous and then we get to this verse. We take that to mean that he's the one who was erasing the words every time Master Dignaga went to get him.

[Speaker 1]
Exactly, yeah. Keep going, you can translate this.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, yeah, right. He was mad and so then every time Master Dignaga went out begging for food... Well, sorry, Master Dignaga went out begging for food a couple of times and when he would come back from that trip, the words were gone.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, his great first verse. All right, who's gonna check you now? It's Timothy.

Hey, Tim, your hair calmed down. I don't know what happened. It must be an electrical thing.

[Speaker 2]
I think it's Oh, yeah, cool.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, please translate because it's in your head, I think.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right, yeah, right, cute.

[Speaker 3]
Can't be erased.

[Speaker 2]
My head doesn't work like his. But yeah, so on the third time he went back, he wrote...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, by the way, what's this spelling of juke means? We had it the other day. We had it with Fiji.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, good. Yeah, at the end.

Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, he finally said...

[Speaker 1]
Oh, I'm sorry. This juktu means he wrote the same verse again, but at the end of the verse, he added some more. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
At the end, he added it. Okay, that's cool. Right, okay, yeah, from there then he added.

Okay, cool. Right. Who's wiping away these words I'm writing?

Is this some kind of sick joke or a game? If it is, this is really important. Stop erasing it.

[Speaker 1]
Good, perfect, perfect, I like it, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
If you're doing this because you're jealous...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
I know these words. I have these words memorized. You can't erase it.

Good, good. And if you want to... If you think I'm wrong and you want to debate me about it, then show yourself and let's debate.

[Speaker 1]
Yay, good translation.

[Speaker 2]
Oh my god, I'm going to have to keep tries at it.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Okay. I think this chung is wrong.

I put the wrong note here. Okay, that doesn't help much. Okay, Alison, you ready?

Why do you look so serious? It must be late there. No, oh, maybe.

Oh, it's early morning. I'm sorry. Oh, you're sleepy.

Okay, okay. Bang, go for it. Yang.

[Speaker 2]
ZE BAR BYA'O ZHES PAR THONG DE'I DE'I DO You know, I misread this the first time I read it.

[Speaker 1]
The days happened again.

[Speaker 2]
Um, the days happened again?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, just like before.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
What's day?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, the signs. Got it right. Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
The signs. What's the common Tibetan curse that you shouldn't learn? Yeah, dang yam is god damn it.

Okay, so if you want to, you know, impress somebody and not impress them at the same time. You can say dang yam. You got to start out the day, okay?

Dang yam, you know. Okay. God damn it.

All right, all right. Anyway, these are good days, okay? They got the same signs as before.

And then, CHI RUNG BA Yay!

[Speaker 2]
Uh, it, it was done or after that, like?

[Speaker 1]
It's one of the four results of the virtuous path. RGYUN ZHUGS CHI RUNG CHIR MI YONG DRA BCOM PA Oh, oh, um. Return.

Return. Yeah, so this here, it means he came back. He came back to his cave.

Yeah, he came back to his cave. Okay, this CHI means back. Okay.

And, uh, and then he saw on the wall SEPA BYA'O.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, let's debate.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, hey, let's go, let's go. So he sat down and waited. Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
You know, he sat down or he got, GAY means to stay, right?

[Speaker 3]
Okay, sure.

[Speaker 1]
So, I don't know, he was waiting. Okay, who's gonna do this one? CHEN TZAM, you ready to criticize him?

It's fun.

[Speaker 3]
This is so exciting.

[Speaker 1]
This is the most exciting you'll ever get in the Mixed Nuts class, I'm telling you.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, the most exciting moment in the next 51 years of this.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I'm afraid it is.

[Speaker 2]
What?

[Speaker 3]
Can you say that again, please?

[Speaker 2]
Yay, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, uh, so the LOPAN KHOR TOSUN YUM.

[Speaker 2]
Um, yeah, the master went back out getting his offerings for the night.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he walked around town court, right? And then he came back. This CHEN PA, this is the, uh, this is the conjunction for, what do they call it in Tibetan?

Sequence, sequence conjunction. Okay, so he went and walked around the village and got his, and then, TE, he JUM PA.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, he came back.

[Speaker 1]
He came back.

[Speaker 2]
He arrived, wow.

[Speaker 1]
And he TE that MUTEK.

[Speaker 2]
Um, he, like, encountered him?

[Speaker 1]
Yep, you could say TUK, you could say GEL, you could say TE, okay? We're going to have a lot of TEs in Stanley's text, actually, but that's a different one. Uh, TE NAS.

Then they TSE PA, TSE PA.

[Speaker 3]
Debated.

[Speaker 1]
Same as TSE PA. And he SANGS RGYAS KYI RTEN PA GAL DU TSUD.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, he, um, he defended the teachings of the victor.

[Speaker 1]
Uh, this GAL means he beat, he kicked the other guy's butt. GAL DU TSUD. He, he did the Iwo Jima flag thing.

[Speaker 2]
RTEN PA GAL?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, RTEN PA GAL DU TSUD. GAL DU TSUD means stuck it in the ground and, you know, showed that it was, uh, I don't know how you're going to say that. He, he, he brought the teachings.

Yeah, he brought the teachings to victory or something like that, okay? The Buddhist teachers were victorious. And the guy tried two more times.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. But he PAM BAR him. That comes from, uh, uh, Defeats in Vinaya.

Shaobing's text. Yeah. There it is.

The first four, uh, vows. Defeats, yeah. He defeated the mutek, okay?

Then, DA means TATA in, in modern Tibetan.

[Speaker 2]
Which is... Now.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, which means now. Now, KHYER NAM PA'I RTEN PA LA SBYUG.

[Speaker 2]
Uh, yeah, now, um, like he told him, now you will, uh, enter the teachings?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, now you have to change sides. Because that was the old tradition in the old days. If you lose, you have to change sides, okay?

Haha, you gotta, now you gotta become a Buddhist. And he got kong tro.

[Speaker 2]
He was mad.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the non-Buddhist guy got pissed off. And he toge barwa me from his car.

[Speaker 2]
He, uh, spit fire out his mouth face.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he spit fire out of his mouth, okay? And he's jira jinsek, sek, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1]
All the YOCHEN means stuff, okay? All the master's stuff, he burned it.

[Speaker 3]
Wow.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he burned his clothes, his furniture, his cooking utensils, everything. YOCHEN means all the stuff you have to, to live on, you know what I mean? Your clothes, your furniture, everything in your house.

He burned all of it, okay? Like a dragon, yeah. Yeah, there's the sek for jinsek, right?

Okay. All right, uh, this is a long one.

[Speaker 3]
If our debate opponent does that in reaction to having lost several debates with us, doesn't that mean we've sort of, like, missed the mark?

[Speaker 2]
No, no, if he does that, you're supposed to say.

[Speaker 3]
In convincing them about the teachings?

[Speaker 1]
Hey, uh, it's actually, that question is going to come up right now, very soon. That very question is going to come up. And Stan is going to check this long sentence.

He also looks sleepy.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, go start on your sentence. Supposed to say kyabamajung.

[Speaker 1]
Let's, let's break it up. It'll make it easier, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Um, his, uh, uh, spoke, um, oh, you would say stop the fire?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you know, I struggled with this. I think this sik is the burning sik. There's a sik that means burning.

And khyepa means to put out a fire. I think it, it means he put the fire out, okay? Sik la khyepa che means he put the fire out.

Okay, this sik means burning, okay? Uh, what's the Tibetan word for coffee? The ancient word?

Jad sik. Jad sik, which means?

[Speaker 3]
Burnt tea.

[Speaker 1]
Burnt tea. So, when they first drank coffee, they said, who'd want to drink this? It tastes like burnt tea.

Okay, so that's sik, okay? It also is the spelling for word, so it's a little difficult. Uh, sik la, he put out the fire, and then he got kyo in his thuk, okay?

Uh, what, yeah, kyo.

[Speaker 3]
Sadness. Sadness?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he, he was despairing, okay? Kyo is, uh, we have it in the Tantric vows. The last one of the main vows.

No, okay. Anyway, kyo shuk means to feel disgust for the, for the substances, okay? But here it means he got sad.

He thought, he got discouraged, okay? It means discouraged here, okay? And we're going to cut this one here, okay?

And let's keep going, Stanley.

[Speaker 2]
Yay.

[Speaker 1]
Good. I looked up yong ye, and it meant definitely, okay? I didn't know it, okay?

I definitely was sem jen tab je kyi dun. I was cha sem jen tab je kyi dun.

[Speaker 2]
Um, oh, I was, uh, um, working for all beings.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I was trying to help all beings. Nyam, I was thinking. Ma means but, you know, uh, admittedly, but.

[Speaker 2]
Uh-huh.

[Speaker 1]
Bes mutek chik cha mi nu.

[Speaker 2]
Uh-huh. Uh, he, he wasn't able, uh, this, uh, you know, uh, Hindu teacher wasn't able to, um.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, Dignaga was. I wasn't.

[Speaker 2]
Oh. I couldn't even deal with this guy. Wow.

[Speaker 1]
I couldn't even help one person.

[Speaker 3]
One person, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he was one guy, chik bu, one guy alone. And I couldn't even do what he needed, dun, right? Right.

Like dun druk, siddhartha. I couldn't even do that. Since it's like that, duk pe, I'm going to rang du shi de.

[Speaker 3]
Work for my own happiness?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, forget these other people. I'm just gonna buy a nice house and get some donuts from the Peachtree Cafe and, you know. Relax.

Ngun du jau, I'm gonna relax. Gong ne, he thought to himself, okay. I'm gonna just hang out and enjoy myself, okay.

Cool?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, keep going. Stanley, you're not done yet.

[Speaker 2]
All right. Yeah, this is a beautiful, this is one of those moments like when a sangha helps the dog, you know.

[Speaker 1]
All right, the dotel means the chalk, right?

[Speaker 2]
Tossed it to the sky, threw it away.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, well, no. He thought to himself, nyam, okay. Second line.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
He thought to himself, I'm gonna pong this dotel into the air. And when it's salabak.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, when it falls to the earth.

[Speaker 1]
I will sem ke dong, dong.

[Speaker 2]
Uh-huh, then I will give up all living beings. I'll give up.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. Matak means the moment it does. Matak means one second after that chalk hits the ground, I give up the bodhisattva, I do.

Okay, nyam du. And then he pong.

[Speaker 2]
He threw it.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. And salab mabak.

[Speaker 2]
Did not hit the ground.

[Speaker 1]
It never hit the ground. And he looked up. And there's Madjushri holding the goddamn chalk.

It's a beautiful story. Jampal had arrived in the flesh, Musa Jinn, okay. And there's a famous, you know, people when they tell this story, they think Madjushri was up there with a big smile and the chalk in his fingers like this, you know.

All right. Yay, I like that story. I like this story, yeah.

I wish I had somebody like that. Okay, I probably do. Okay, so gang, here's your thing.

It is a long one. I need the master. Okay, nice.

Nice pronunciation. Hey, boo, machi, machi.

[Speaker 2]
Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he calls him my son. Hey, my son, don't do that, don't do that. If you tap out to the techman.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, if you fall down, if you go down to the lower way.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, your low drill will get nyamba.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, your mind will be poisoned. We'll get dark.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and stupid. Listen, this denture of yours.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, this commentary you're writing.

[Speaker 1]
All those mute tags, if they talk together, they know me.

[Speaker 2]
Um, yeah, they, they, all the, um, these Hindu teachers were collected together would not have the ability to hurt these words.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, ship a job. You should understand. Come on.

Come on. Try to, you should know it's not going to happen. Okay.

Therefore, until you saw my top part. Um, yeah, um, don't forget until in Tibetan meets the negative. Don't ask me why.

[Speaker 2]
Um, oh, oh, I'm, I'm sorry. Until, say again.

[Speaker 1]
When you say until in Tibetan, you always put the negative to the verb. Until you don't come, I will hold my breath.

[Speaker 3]
That's why the motto.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Uh, it means for as long as you don't reach.

You see what I mean? But in English we say until.

[Speaker 2]
Um, as you don't reach saw. I mean, are we talking about the left stock falling to the earth?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Until you reach the 10 bodhisattva level. Okay.

Until you attain the 10th bodhisattva level. Uh, nah, you're gay wishing. Uh, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
I am your, uh, your spiritual friend.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. I'll be your teacher. I promise to stay here and be your teacher.

And, oh my gosh, I was so happy when I figured out this misspelling. I will serve. Sooner.

I will serve as your teacher until the day you reach the 10th bodhisattva level. Okay. So don't worry.

Okay. And she may do not.

[Speaker 2]
Um, yeah. Um, but, uh, and like, and if, if, uh, right until you finish or when you do finish.

[Speaker 1]
Uh, until later times, like until 2021. Okay. Uh, you're all, uh, the book you're writing will be the mick chick for all dentures.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, it'll be the, the, the one view.

[Speaker 1]
The one, the one eyeballs in this whole world. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry. The one eyeball in this whole world. What?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. In the whole world, uh, of all the books in the world, your book will serve as eyes for humanity. Okay.

Okay. And just your book out of all the books that anyone ever writes, this book that you're writing is going to be the one and only eyes that humanity needs. Okay.

It's beautiful. And then he, Jason, uh, uh, did not.

[Speaker 3]
Uh, Jason follows after him.

[Speaker 1]
Like, no, he took him after him. You see what I mean?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
He took him into his arms. Right. Don't worry.

I got you covered.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. This is the story.

[Speaker 1]
You see this? Yeah. You see this story in several sources.

Okay. Something like that.

[Speaker 2]
I have to say at the end of this stories like this, you know, and I, I, I assume there's no real answer and it feels like there should be no real answer, but I can't help. But when I hear a story like this feel like, you know, it was one moment. It was the guy.

And then he looks up the next moment, something happened in him and he's looking in the same place. And maybe if I had different seeds, I would still see the guy standing there, but he sees Manjushree.

[Speaker 1]
Um, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Same thing.

[Speaker 2]
I thought the same thing about, um, master Vasubandhu yesterday. Right. And he, you wonder if I walked in the room and master Vasubandhu was talking to Maitreya and being encouraged by Maitreya to write commentaries on his books.

You wonder if with my karma coming in the room, I would have just seen a Sangha standing there.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Good. Yeah.

I, I think your question is how many people threw up the chalk and it came down? And we never heard about them. Nobody wrote their biography.

Okay. We're going to rush to the main book. I don't want to spend more than two classes each, each term on the history book.

Okay. So we have, we are jumping to the actual book and then we'll get a little bit of story time every term. Okay.

Like in Sugeng's book. Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Seven minutes. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
So these are actually the opening lines of Yeshe Wangchuk's book. Okay. This is what he wrote on the side of the wall.

This is a little longer.

[Speaker 2]
Uh, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, by the way, what, what are the opening lines? What is the cave verse the opening lines of?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, I assume it's the opening lines of the Pramana Tammuchaya.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which is the nickname for it is?

[Speaker 2]
Um, well the nickname for it. Oh, it's the, uh, Tema Do. Good.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. It's the Sutra on Accurate Perception. Yay.

[Speaker 2]
But then the nickname for it in the case of this book is you could just say it's Tema as in the Temas that we're commenting upon.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yep. You can say that also.

Okay. Now we got poetry. It's a little difficult.

It's usually difficult. And we're going to need somebody special to check your pronunciation. So can we ask Maitri and, uh, Seiji, can you translate for him?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, of course.

[Speaker 1]
Wait, I gotta show off my son's picture. Hang on. Hang on.

Look at this handsome guy.

[Speaker 3]
Wow.

[Speaker 1]
He just reached, he just reached a very dangerous point. He's, he's mobile. Now he's gonna borrow the car next week.

Okay, go. Stop there, okay? It's one thought.

Okay. Now we had this son in Seiji's text over and over.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the weapon.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I'll give 20 bucks to anybody who can say what the weapon was today. Yukto. Yukto.

Who was that?

[Speaker 3]
Who do you think?

[Speaker 1]
Is it word?

[Speaker 3]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, 20 bucks to word, Ali. Okay, uh, nunbo, we had it, uh, wang nun.

[Speaker 3]
Sharp. Yeah, sharp.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the sharp, the sharp blade. How many? Thousand.

Yeah, okay. And sunjin means what? Yeah, it means to smash somebody, okay?

And by the way, it's one of the forms of logic. That we're gonna learn, okay? It's called sunjin.

Logic that you use to overthrow other people's positions is called sunjin. And it's a, it's a form of logic, okay? So you got a thousand, uh, sharp samurai swords of sunjin.

And you go to all the lokbar mawas that hold soak of them.

[Speaker 2]
All the, um, gatherings of people saying stupid stuff?

[Speaker 1]
Good, yeah, wrong talkers. And this is a beautiful use of mikme. You chom them into mikme.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, you conquer them blind?

[Speaker 1]
You blast them into mikme.

[Speaker 3]
Into not seeing in the sense of not seeing objects?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, I think till you don't see them.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, this, by the way, this means mikpa meba. It means until they are, there's nothing left to see, okay? It's a beautiful usage of mikme.

So mikme literally means there's nothing to see, okay? You blow them, you blow them out of, yeah, out of, beyond perception, meaning they're gone completely, okay? Good luck transmitting that.

[Speaker 2]
Out of sight, that's an idiom, but we, it's...

[Speaker 1]
Uh, you think about it, but it means there's just an empty space where they were standing. Okay. Okay, all right.

And then I'll give, Kat, I'll give $100 for the next half of the line. $100. Oh my gosh, Stanley's eyes just opened.

[Speaker 3]
Uh, I'm thinking about the time he makes them his disciples. Nah. Uh.

Puts all the dull, wrong speakers in a basket.

[Speaker 1]
No. Okay, cancel the bet. They realize it's the only tapas.

He leads them to the, to the spiritual practice of muni.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, that's cute.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Ben's got it. Ben's got it. He shuts them up.

Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
In a poetic way.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah, he teaches them mauna, spiritual silence. And the ku means to put somebody there, right?

By the way, he's...

[Speaker 3]
He's using tulshug as mauna?

[Speaker 1]
No, tulshug means spiritual, tapas, tapas.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, right, that's what I thought. So, when he gets done with... Oh, mima, mima, I see.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, when he gets done with them, they want to follow tapas. Hey, when he gets done with them, they're all like, oh, I think I'll practice tapas for 12 years.

[Speaker 3]
The discipline of shutting up.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, because they got nothing to say.

[Speaker 3]
It's so cute.

[Speaker 1]
And by the way, he's throwing logic words in here. Ku is taksu kapas, the definition of a reason. Sun jin is another kind of logic.

He's throwing in logic words for fun, okay? We're out of time, Daniel.

[Speaker 3]
No.

[Speaker 1]
Oh. Okay, let's do this last two lines fast. So, gang's still checking.

[Speaker 2]
I don't...

[Speaker 1]
Hey, don't go to me my way, tulshug, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, out of...

[Speaker 2]
Out of... Reference...

[Speaker 1]
I respect, I bow down to these wangchuks of logicians.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, to the great, the powerful ones, the logicians, the lords of logic.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, the enders of logic. Who is that? Choglang and Chudak.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right. Esther's Dignaga and Dharmakirti.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, because you lead us along the excellent path, okay? You lead us along the excellent path, okay? You path leaders.

Cool? Yeah, all right. By the way, I know we're over time.

Stop here, babe. But I just want to say one thing. Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk doesn't finish his bowing down with Dignaga and Dharmakirti.

He has a whole verse dedicated to K. Nyi Mawa. Hundred dollars.

K. Nyi Mawa. Those who speak with one voice?

Nah, come on. Okay, cancel the bet. What's Nyi mean?

[Speaker 3]
Two.

[Speaker 1]
What's K mean?

[Speaker 3]
Speech.

[Speaker 1]
Language.

[Speaker 3]
Bilingual.

[Speaker 1]
Bilingual, yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, bilingual. Translators, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he has a whole verse dedicated to translators. I think it's to you guys. I think it's for you guys.

He says, God, those guys, Lusoka Yawador, they risked their lives to translate. Oh, my God. All right.

We'll get to it next time. Yeah, why don't you do this verse?

[Speaker 2]
I will.

[Speaker 1]
And by the way, he mentions the three pleasings. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Good old three pleasings.

[Speaker 1]
And for that, you're gonna have to go down here to this. Commentary. Okay.

But I put it in the capital, in the big letters for you. Thank you. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Yay.

That's sexy. Okay. Yay.

Sashi, yay, bye.