Адам Андраде — Книга 2: Логика. Рассеивая тьму, занятие 9

[Speaker 1]
One group, he says, is comprised of those with, quote, dull intellect, while the other is, quote, praised by the sages. He goes on to say that those practitioners who are praised by sages use logic and clear thinking to examine which spiritual practices to pick up and which to put down. Which two groups is K.J. referring to? Also give the Tibetan for the logical process of examining what to take up and what to put down. It gets so quiet during the homeworks. I don't know what happens.

Those who practice by faith, those who follow faith, and those who follow by logic. Yeah, and one second, let me pull up, I actually pulled up my homework and not the key. So let me just pull up the key real quick.

Jingmei just sent me a text and said I should stop eating cupcake before I hit the bottom of the box because I'll get sick. She's a good friend.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, but you have to go on for about three hours now. I mean, two hours.

[Speaker 1]
If she's close enough friend to come and borrow stuff from my house, I guess so. Might come and get some cupcake. Yeah, I'm going to hide it under the couch.

OK, thanks. OK, Adam, let's go. Sorry, I'm having a hard time pulling up the end.

Oh, OK, take your time. Ava can help you out if you need. Hey, Ava, I need you to come say the magic words.

See, I have a serious question. If you can't get the homework up. No, I've got it right here.

Is your backpack over here? I was going to ask anybody to put a good movie in the chat that I can see on my day off on Netflix or something. Yeah, sorry about that, guys.

Stanley, not that kind of movie, OK? I don't know, Stanley, that's not what he means by unexpected strategies. You guys.

Adam, we are seeing your answers.

[Speaker 2]
Let's take a look. Sorry, my computer is being super slow.

[Speaker 1]
All right, yeah, it's like everything's like moving really slow. Like my cursor is not doing anything. Ava's doing something.

Ava's doing a voodoo on you. Like I'm trying to actually share my screen and I'm just getting that. The dreaded spinning wheel?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, totally. Adam, do you want to just read the questions?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, well, at this point, I'm having a hard time getting my word to actually stop. Like I can't actually share that. I can't actually share the screen.

Yeah, so. Adam, you want me to start the class and you do the homework after 10 minutes or something? Yeah, I mean, we could try that.

I could do it next time too. OK, let's start the class. Yeah.

Cool, here we go. Oh no, we have another baby coming. I just got the news.

Who? Claudia in Mexico. I think it's some kind of virus.

It's the second virus this year. OK. OK, Adam, I was going to just summarize where we are.

Somebody said the only reason that we should study the seven books of Dharmakirti is in a country where we can defeat Hindu people. And then K.W.J. said, ah, that's a really bad dharma rejecting karma that you're collecting. Why?

Because then what you're saying is that it would be useless to practice the path to reach enlightenment and nirvana. And it would be impossible. And listen, there's lots of things you need these logic books for.

First of all, to get over misperceptions about you and your body, your body and mind being clean, happy, permanent, and having a self-nature. To get rid of those ideas, you need these logic books. Now he's going more, he's more on a list of why you need logic books.

Here we go. Go ahead, Adam. Go on.

[Speaker 3]
CHIROPA NYEPE SACHOK SURAM GYUKYI DRON DOK SELGAR MIGURTHAM.

[Speaker 1]
We need this piece down at the third paragraph, OK? Read this little piece and somebody tell me what it means.

[Speaker 2]
Adam.

[Speaker 1]
This is the imperative from STEM, OK? Well, you should think it over well. Yeah, you guys think about it.

You guys think about it. And then he's going to ask three questions. Then you need logic, OK?

You guys think about it. Now here's his three questions. Do you or do you not need, OK, to get rid of that drondok capacity of your own mind, OK?

This ranggyu doesn't mean ranggyupa school, OK? This means your own mind. Do you or do you not have to get rid of your own mind's habit of underestimating things, OK?

Got it? Where? Translate, Adam.

CHU ROG PA MED PA'I SA CHOG GSUNG In a place where there aren't any Buddhists.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
In a place where there are... Good. So he says, look, like Prasomshik, you guys think about it, OK?

Your mind is messing up every day. Do you have to wait till you get to a country where there's some Hindus to clean it up? Do you have to clean up your habit to see things as not being mitab dunyodongpa darme?

What's that mean? As being empty or selfless, empty or stained with suffering? Yeah, suffering and impermanent.

Is that something you would want to understand or not? In a place where there's no Hindus? OK.

Now, next one, Adam. Read it first. SKYE BA SNGA PHYI...

SKYE BA SNGA PHYI YOD MED DANG, LEN DREG GI BRAL BA DANG, THAG PA DANG THAMS CAD KHYEN PO YOD PA'I NGAN SHES BYANG DGOS MI DGOS LAS PAR GSUNGS SHIG Yeah, I'll ask you another question. Do you care whether or not there's past lives and present lives? Do you care about whether karma has its consequences?

Do you care about that relationship? Do you care to find out whether there exists nirvana and enlightenment? Do you care?

You guys who are living in a non-Hindu country, do you still care? Do you still want to know? He's being sarcastic, right?

Think about it. Think about it. All right, here we go.

Who's checking this? Dr. Kramer, are you there? How about...

[Speaker 2]
I'm here.

[Speaker 1]
How about... OK, please go ahead. DE BA'I NA, Adam.

Nice, nice reading. Nice reading, Adam. DE BA'I NA.

Therefore, if you don't stop your habit of underestimating things, KUN DAG, as opposed to GZHAN GYAS, who couldn't tell me.

[Speaker 2]
You wrote it.

[Speaker 1]
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, duh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So listen, there's wrong ideas you're born with.

You feel like the door is coming from its own side. But there's wrong ideas you learn by the culture you grew up in. And those are called KUN DAG.

Like when I grew up as a Christian, I was taught the world was created by God. And by the time I was 15 years old, I was like, what? Why did they kill my mother?

So that's called KUN DAG, okay? That misunderstanding things, okay? Denying higher truth, denying higher truth, like karma and its consequences, okay?

Because you grew up in a culture where they deny it, okay? If you cannot stop those, okay, then there's no way you're going to get rid of the things that you get rid of by DONG LAM. The path of seeing.

Yeah, the path of seeing, okay? If you can't get rid of the prejudices that you are taught as a child, there's no way you're going to see emptiness, okay? They will block you, okay?

Now, what's DRON DOG KUN DAG? He says, you want me to go more into that idea of prejudice that you were taught as a child? Let's talk about that, okay?

These are DRON DOGS, I'm sorry, overestimating. These are overestimating the reality of things that are picked up through schools of thought that are spreading in your country when you are born, okay? It doesn't matter what country you're in.

You have some schools of thought in your country, okay? If you grew up in ancient Tibet, you believed that the world was created by sex between a monkey and a witch, okay? I mean, before Buddhism got to Tibet, that was the worldview, okay?

DRON DOGS RNAM YIN PAS, DE PHYIR ZHUNG DI DAG TU So the point of these seven books, ZHUNG DI DAG, the point of these seven books, is to stop the systems that you grew up with, the things you believe in just because your parents did, okay? That you learned from schools of thought that developed before you were born, okay? And that's why we're attacking the Hindus, okay?

But it's not the Hindus, it's the archetype. What do I mean?

[Speaker 2]
The thinking, different kinds of thinking.

[Speaker 1]
Of your country that you grew up with, if it's wrong, if it's wrong, okay? We are attacking, we're not attacking some historical Hindus 2,000 years ago. That's just the viewpoints that were running around when Buddha was born.

You got your own viewpoints running around when you were born, you know? Oh, what's the cause of the virus? Oh, it jumped from a monkey to a human, you know?

That's also a wrong view, okay? You believe what people are saying around you. Okay, PHYIR ROL PA'I DUG PA RGAGS PA BSTAN PA YIN GYI That's why we talk about stopping these non-Buddhists or denying these non-Buddhists, okay?

We are attacking the prejudices you grew up with, and that's the purpose of clear thinking, okay? It's not that we're interested in BSOD PA with mutex. Just arguing with the school sitters.

Yeah, we're not interested in like fighting some 2,000-year-old philosophical battle when the opponents are all dead or they became American capitalists What's the purpose? What's the use? BSAM PA KHO NA'I RGAGS GRUB KYI NANG ZHAG BYED PA NI MA YIN NO That's not why we're teaching you how to prove something's wrong and how to prove something's right.

Okay, got it? It's not that we're picking on a certain era in a certain country. That's not the point, okay?

Therefore, what, Adam? These books are useful even in places where- Like Colorado. Yeah, where there's no Sankhyas standing at the side of the Ganges River on the deck, right?

Mutek. We're talking about whatever you grew up with. We're not talking about arguing with some ancient Hindus that are dead for 1,000 years, okay?

All right, now. If this is a good place, I got my homework. Yeah, that's a great place to do your homework.

Yay, I know. Just before they go on vacation, everybody wants to finish this last homework. To do the sushi.

Absolutely. Okay. So, I think you have to stop sharing your screen.

Oh, I stopped sharing. Yep.

[Speaker 2]
Don't forget the Japanese food, Adam. Yeah. Oh, totally.

Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Okay. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yay, Adam. Okay, so we were given two types of followers. In the last class, one of them was said to have poor intellect, and the other was said to be praised by the sages and masters.

What are those two groups? And which one relates to which?

[Speaker 2]
Followers of faith. Yeah. Not relying on logic, following what someone says.

Yeah. I didn't realize there were names in there. If you know Parchippa, then the sages call you practitioners of the Dharma.

Of the real Dharma. Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
This should be chicken jittering.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
And, oh, sorry. Yeah, and the process of trying to discern what it is, like what good deeds you should start doing and what bad deeds you should give up, long door. I kind of jumped the shark on that one.

Number two. Let's see, regarding the two types of practitioners from question one, one type is said to be of poor intellect, and the other is praised. Discuss why these sentiments are appropriate.

So why is it that followers of faith are actually seen as being poor, or having poor intellect?

[Speaker 2]
Well, because they're not using their brains. They're just using emotion. Yeah, they just follow what someone else says.

And emotion can change like boom, boom, boom. Logic is stable.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so, yeah, it was, and I think this is like an open discussion too. Is there a place where faith could replace logic?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, but we're not supposed to talk about it.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Don't we call that kind of faith, I mean, another kind of faith, clear faith, which comes from like strong logic? Dharma.

[Speaker 1]
Dharmadeva, yeah. That's true. That's true.

That's a good point, Stanley. Yeah. Yeah, so I actually didn't put an answer down for this.

I just thought it'd be cool to kind of talk about it. Because I think it's kind of an interesting point.

[Speaker 2]
Well, if you just follow what someone's saying, then you don't analyze it. And that's a bad mental thing. Yeah.

You could follow someone like the former president. Go.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, okay, okay. So the third question.

[Speaker 2]
What is it?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, wow.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
No, me. Hello, sorry. Hi, Ava.

Hi, Ava. Ava is a good girl. Ava is a good girl.

[Speaker 2]
Wow, she's so beautiful. Hello, Ava. Ava.

Good girl, like that. You have a flower in your hand.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, a bow. Oh my gosh, so cute. Adam, when is her birthday?

It's on the 14th. She's a Pi baby. She's on March the 14th.

That's coming up. She's 72. It's hard to believe.

She's already two. Unbelievable. Oh my gosh.

So she can be a translator after March 14th, right? Totally. I'll start training her.

Toge. Toge. Reasoning.

Logic, reasoning. This is in the pejorative thing. Nitpicking.

Nice, nice.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, cover your ears.

[Speaker 1]
Totally. Hey, Adam, did she learn the magic word yet? No.

She's got a few magic words. It's pretty much. No.

Yeah, it's pretty much anything she says, she gets out of me, so. Okay. She's a good girl.

Floor's mine. You should cover your ears, yeah. Oh my gosh.

Purpose?

[Speaker 2]
Take responsibility.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Enjoy something and do it all the time. Yeah, totally.

Yeah. It's like take. Guess what specifically you said to, you know, to throw yourself into something.

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
All right, thanks guys. You've been yourself in logic all day long. Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Nice, you guys. Okay.

You got to unshare, Adam. Got you. Yeah, she'll be coming back to you.

All right, thank you. Here we go. All right.

Okay, we reached a new section. Yay. And we finished two of our three arguments.

The first argument was stopping the wrong ideas of people who think that if you want to reach freedom, you don't need logic. Secondly, people who said that in certain countries, in certain times, you don't need logic because logic was meant to stop Hindus 2,000 years ago. Now, here is a third viewpoint, a wrong idea about the study of logic.

DGOS PA YOD KYANG Yeah, it's useful, but it's not very important. Okay. There is a goal to it.

There is a point to it, but it's kind of an inferior goal. MIM PA, okay? MIM PA.

All right, here we go, Adam. Who's checking you? Oh, so I have to, I should pick someone?

Yeah. Just from the panelists. Who's?

Let's see, Catherine? Catherine Nguyen? Yay!

She's the pure gold star. SUMPA DGOS PA YOD KYANG MIM PA DGOS PA DGOS PA NI DE DUNG GYI THIM CHOD NDI DAG LA THOB SANG CHEN NA NGEL NDREL GYI MIG CHE MIG CHE NE SUM LUG ZHING GYI DROD BYA THOG PA'I DROG SU GYUR BA'I YIN PA'I PHYIR LEN TSA DANG BRAL BA YIN GYI RANG NYID LA DGOS PA CHEN PO YOD PA NI MA YIN NO ZHES MA'O Nice. Good pronunciation, Adam.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Part number three, DGOS PA YOD KYANG. Okay, there's some point to studying logic, but it's kind of an inferior one, MIM PA. And we're going to stop that idea, DGOS PA.

Here we go. Here's the other guy's position. DE DUNG GYI THIM CHOD NDI DAG LA THOB SANG CHEN NA If you study and think about the seven books of Dharmakirti, you're going to learn lots of things like, what's the difference between contradiction and connection?

Whose book did we just have that in? That was my book. Vasubandhu.

No, it was in my book, Gendrel. It was like, if you don't understand Gendrel, you're like a fox. Oh, nice.

Having a yelling match with a lion. MIG PA CHEN NAS Oh, it's just so you can understand the difference between contradiction and connection. GZHAN LUG GZHAN GYI SBYO BYA STO PA'I SGROL SU GYUR BA ZHUNG LUG GZHAN The purpose of logic is only to help you understand the real books.

It's not a separate realization of its own, in and of itself. It doesn't stand as a book. It's a tool.

It doesn't create realizations. It's a tool that helps you to get realizations. But by itself, it's not worth calling a major subject.

Okay, got it? It's just an ancillary art. SGROL SU GYUR BA YIN PA'I PHYIR Therefore, it's just the same as LEN TSA.

You guys know LEN TSA? Alt? Salt.

Yeah, salt. And they spell it with an ASUR, T-S-V-A, to distinguish it from heat, okay? Yeah.

Okay. So what's he saying? Logic is just...

Seasoning. Logic is just seasoning on the real books, okay? It's like, it gives a little zest to the real books, okay?

But RANG NYID LA SGRUB PA CHEN PO MA YIN By itself.

[Speaker 3]
Really neat.

[Speaker 1]
I don't need it. Yeah, good. Yeah, RANG NYID LA SGRUB PA CHEN PO You know, I was going to say for you yourself, but I think whoever said, in and of itself, it's even better, okay?

In and of itself, it doesn't have any great purpose, okay? There's no goal of logic per se. It's a tool that you use in the other schools, okay?

And that's an interesting idea because I think sometimes we think of logic that way, right? And here's K. Luc Jae's refutation.

Who's going to check you, Adam? Let's see here. Isabel?

Is she not busy? I don't know. She might be translating.

[Speaker 2]
She's good.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. DE YANG NI DE DE ZHUNG DI DAG ZHUNG DI DAG DU DEN SHI LANG DOR TAP DANG CHE PA DANG CHUK DAG ME LA SO PA TET PA SUNG GI LAM GYI LAM GYI NEN NAM MA TZANG WA ME PAR RIG PAY TUM PAY ME PAR RIG PAY TUM PAY CHIR TANG DE LAS LHAG PA'I THOS SANGS KHOM DE ZHI ZHUNG BZHIN LA'ANG YOD PA MA YIN PAS CHE RO Okay, good. Nick, was it your book where they were saying that because they taught the four truths, the book was, no, it was Sugeng's biography, I think.

They described the Abhidharmakosha how?

[Speaker 2]
As a lam rim. We just did that.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, as a lam rim and as useful for Mahayana and Hinayana because it teaches the four truths in detail. Therefore, it rates as a mixed Mahayana and Hinayana text. Okay, cool.

Your author says the same thing. Here we go. DE YANG MI TE DE It's wrong to think of logic as the salt to make the other schools tasty because ZHUNG DI DAG TU BSTAN GZHI LA'ANG DOR THAB TAN GZHAN PA These seven books talk about which the two Arya truths that you're supposed to take up and the two Arya truths that you're supposed to give up and it also tells you how to do that, okay?

It also presents ZHUNG DI DAG MED the fact that nothing is itself, okay? And in fact, the crucial points of the path for all three tracts, okay? This THEG PA means what, Adam?

The three yanas. What are the three yanas? The three vehicles or ways.

Which are Hinayana. Yeah, well, Hinayana, what's that?

[Speaker 2]
Hinayana.

[Speaker 1]
No, this is a different one. This is Hinayana, Mahayana, and Vajrayana. Good.

Okay, it presents the crucial points. MA TSAR BA MED PAR MA TSAR BA MED PAR means without leaving out a single detail. MA TSAR BA MED PAR means without leaving out a single detail with logic, RIGS PA'I BRTOD, okay?

And you're not going to find any more important topics in any other Buddhist book at all which are more important for your PHRAD, BSAM, and BSGOM, okay? All the crucial subjects are treated in the seven books on logic, and you can go through all the other books in the universe of Buddhist books, and you're not going to find anything better, LHAG PA, more important than the topics covered in these books, okay? It's not just, what?

[Speaker 2]
Seasoning.

[Speaker 1]
Salt, seasoning, good. Nice, nice, nice. Okay, we reached the second major point, which is...

Okay. YANG DAG PA'I SGOD PA BRTAN PA NYID SGOD PA LA LOB PA RTOG PA DANG YANG DAG PA'I SGOD PA BRTAN PA NYID Okay, we finished fighting with wrong ideas about the purpose of the seven books, and now we're going to show you the real purpose of the seven books, okay? Here we go.

Who's checking you, Adam? Gibson. Yeah, Gibson.

NYID PA YANG DAG PA'I SGOD PA BRTAN PA NYID DE DUN DO DANG PHRAD PA'I BRTAN PHYIR DI DAG TSON PA'I SGOD PA YANG RTOG PA NYAG CHEK NYAG CHEK DROG PA DANG NYER LA MYIN LUS PA'I TSE MOR DROG PA'I PHYIR YIN LA DE YANG BRTAN PA DE BRTAN PA PHYIR ME PHAR DROG PA'I SGOD PA YIN NO Good. Those of you who studied ACI, what's the proof of future love? Four.

ACI four. ACI four. You'll appreciate this argument because ACI four actually comes from these books.

NYID PA YANG DAG PA'I SGOD PA BRTAN PA NYID So what is the, you know, very valuable purpose of these seven books? Well, DE DUN DO DANG PHRAD PA $50. They cover the seven along with Sutra.

You lost 50 bucks for your kid, Nick. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2]
The seven, the seven, that's the seven books at Dharmakirti?

[Speaker 1]
Well, the seven books cover the Sutra, cover all the Sutras or something. We're gonna present the purpose of the seven books on Laji. Well, what about this DO?

And the commentary that covers, that is a, that covers the DE DUN. DE DUN You guys are making me suffer. This DO is the root text by Dignaga.

Okay. The seven shastras and the Sutra quote that they, that they comment upon, which is usually a reference to Dignaga's major works. BSTAN PA'I SGOD PA That's the whole point of writing these commentaries.

Okay. Okay. Oh, sorry.

The point of writing all these commentaries to the mother book of Laji is to prove, this is very interesting, the purpose of Buddhist Laji. The first purpose of Buddhist Laji is to prove what? Oh, it's here.

GNAG GCIG means one and only. GNAG GCIG means one and only. Only the Buddha is truly a person who cannot lie for people who are trying to reach freedom from samsara.

Okay. Only the Buddha is a person who will never lie to you if your journey is to get out of samsara and to help people. Okay.

So the first purpose of Buddhist Laji is to prove that to students that the Buddha is a flawless person and everything he said, DE YANG BRTEN PA DE BRTEN PA Everything he said is perfect. That's the first application of Buddhist Laji. Okay.

Never forget it. Okay. Never forget it.

That's what ACI 4 was all about. Okay. The first priority of Buddhist Laji is to prove that there does exist a person on this earth who knows everything and cannot lie.

Even if he wanted to or didn't want to, he cannot make a mistake. Okay. And therefore, what he taught is also perfect.

Okay. That's the first purpose of Buddhist Laji. Yay.

Okay. Let's go. Adam.

DE LA BRTEN PA'I BRTEN PA NI BRTEN PA NI NI STE LUNG GI BRTEN PA DANG RTOG PA'I BRTEN PA'O Yeah. Yeah, the first one. Okay.

What's that say, Adam? Um, we're gonna talk about, let's see, the first point we're gonna demonstrate, or we have two points we're gonna demonstrate. Demonstration of realizations or perceptions, and also truth through scriptural authority.

Yeah, now, so far we said two things. The first job of Laji is to prove that it's possible to have a person who cannot be mistaken. Second point of Laji is to discuss the teaching that that flawless person gave.

Now, that teaching that that flawless person gave has two divisions, the books and the understandings. Okay. Let's talk about the first one.

Let's talk about the first one. Here we go. Go ahead.

[Speaker 3]
,RGYAL BA DANG NI RJE DUN PHAG, ,SKYE BA DUN NI RJE BYED DAG, ,YONG DAG DBANG DU BYED YIN GYI, ,DE LAS GZHAN PAS DBANG THE MIN, Okay.

[Speaker 1]
,RGYAL BA DANG NI RJE DUN PHAG, ,SKYE BA DUN NI RJE BYED DAG, YONG PHAG DBANG DU CHE YIN GYI, DE LAS GZHAN PA'I DBANG PHYIN MNGON This is a... he has pulled out a verse from Ben Kramer's next text. If Ben Kramer ever gets past his encyclopedia of Buddhist minutiae, he's going to get to the root text of Dharmakirti.

Okay, here it is. DGRA PA DANG NI BYAS THUNG KHAB GYIS BU BDUN NI BYOD CHE DAG YONG PHAG DBANG DU CHE YIN GYI, DE LAS GZHAN PA'I DBANG PHYIN MNGON Now let's get his commentary. Before we try to tackle it, because it's hard.

Let's read this sentence. CHE, CHE, CHE, CHE BA TAR DRO LA DUN YER GYI KYE BUI DRO LA DUN YER GYI KYE BUI NGON PAR DUB PA'I DUB DUNG THUNG DGRA PA DUB NUB PA'I DJE THUN GYI KHAB THUNG PA THUNG THAY YANG DRAL CHAK SU THUM PA TE THUM PA TE NGABS KHYAD PAR GSUNGS DIN GNYIS GYIN LA Good. DRO LA DUN YER GYI KYE BUI People who are aspiring to liberation.

NGON PAR DUB PA'I DURN What is it that they hope so fervently for? What's the thing that they hope so fervently for? DGRA PA DUB NUB PA'I DJE THUN GYI KHAB And what is the best method, THUB DAM PA, is appropriate, DJE THUN, for achieving that goal?

What's the goal that we should try to reach? And what's the methodology that fits achieving that goal the best? And that should be, DRAL CHAK SU THUM PA means it should be relevant.

DRAL CHAK means forms a connection. This CHAK doesn't mean what?

[Speaker 2]
Desire.

[Speaker 1]
It doesn't mean desire. It means which forms a connection. THUM PA TE NGABS KHYAD PAR GSUNGS DIN GNYIS GYIN LA So what is the...

What's the LUNG GI BSTAN PA? What is the physical teachings? What constitutes the physical teachings?

And don't forget that LUNG has this connotation of speech, like he gave a LUNG today, right? What's your definition of the physical Dharma teachings? Well, here it is.

It's NGABS KHYAD PAR CHEN. It's extraordinary speech which possesses... I'm sorry.

It's speech which possesses three features. It's speech, the spoken word. The real LUNG RIG, the real LUNG of LUNG RIG is the spoken word which has three qualities.

What is it? It expresses the final goal of all living beings. Number two.

It expresses the highest method for achieving that goal. Number three. It expresses the connection between the method and the goal.

If something is a living being's speech which has those three qualities, we call it the physical teachings of the Buddha. Cool? So the real LUNG GI CHOS, the real Dharma in the form of the word, is the spoken word.

Why? It has to express the highest hopes of all living beings. It has to present the greatest method for achieving those hopes.

And it has to show the connection between that method and that goal. If it does that, then we call it the Dharma in the physical form. LUNG GI CHOS.

All right. Keep going. You're correct.

GALA BYAS PA GSUM GYIS BDAG PAR BRDGYUD MED KHYEN MED PAR BRDGYUD PA BRDGYUD PA YIN TE Nice. Now, if you just gave us the definition of the dharma in its physical form, well how do we confirm this dharma is correct? How do we confirm that this dharma is correct?

How do we confirm that this dharma is correct? And he says, Oh, well, first of all, you're going to need to prove the parts of this teaching which can only be proven by MUN GSUM and by BYAS PA. Yeah, by direct and deductive perception.

Yeah, some parts of this physical teaching of the Buddha, you can confirm with your own personal direct experience. And some parts of this Buddhist teaching can only be confirmed by logic. By logic.

So therefore we need logic. Now, how many versions of reality are there? There's MUN GSUM.

There's KOG RGYUR. And there's SHIN TU KOG RGYUR. What's the difference, Adam?

Well, you've got evident reality. Good. What's that?

Oh, like colors? Yeah, things which are slightly hidden, which are things like the color of yellow to a blind person. And then you've got a deeply hidden reality, SHIN TU KOG RGYUR.

Good. Again, I like to brag that I probably went to more Winter Olympic debates than almost anybody in the monastery. But I can remember the one day I really had a good day.

And that was I got into a debate at Ganden about these three levels of reality. Obvious reality, which is like colors. Less obvious reality, which is like a fire when you only see the smoke.

And then super unobvious reality, like if you get angry, you're going to be ugly. And I proved, do you remember what, Adam? You proved what?

No, I don't remember. It was a great, oh God, I'll never forget the debate. But I proved that all three were possible.

Anything could be all three. Colors are KOG RGYUR to a blind man. Colors are SHIN TU KOG RGYUR for, I don't know, a formless realm being.

Like that. So anyway, and all three levels of reality are MUN GSUM to a Buddha. So anyway, what he's saying is, how do you confirm that what the Buddha said is true?

Well, the parts that are obvious to the senses, you can just open your eyes or open your ears. The parts that you need to figure out, you can use logic. Now, what are you going to do about the KOG RGYUR part?

SHIN TU KOG RGYUR What are you going to do about the parts of the Buddhist physical teachings which are extremely hidden? Well, for that CHA, for that part of those teachings, for that part of those teachings which express those parts, you're going to have to use CHOD PA GSUM. All right.

So he says something interesting here. He says you're going to have to use TSE MA, and it's not clear, to prove the first two current levels of reality. And then when you get to the parts of the scripture that are really difficult, you're going to have to turn to the all three...

Yeah, to the three examinations. Yeah, the three tests of gold. And in that way, you can prove that the physical teachings are pure, and that they KHYON MED PA, they have no problems.

Now he's going to quote the Pramanavarttika. Here we go. MTHONG DANG MA THONG BA DAG PA RIG PA'I RGYUR DANG RANG SRID GYIS MYUR MED RTEN CHOS GANG YIN TE GSUM BAR BYA CHOS CHOS YI RGYUG MI GYUR CHOS GSUM BAR DAG LA Yeah, MTHONG DANG MA THONG BA DAG LA If you want to confirm things that you can see and things you can't see, which are a little deeper, RIG PA'I DRUG, you're going to have to use logic, and you're going to have to use scriptural authority, which is unmistaken itself. And to confirm them, you're going to have to engage in examination, which means with the three tests of gold. Here's the quotation from Dharmakirti.

Now, if you want to really understand the wording of a quotation by Dharmakirti, there's one place to go.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, well, Geshe Wangchuk.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Gen Yeshe Wangchuk. If you really want to understand, if Kitabje pulls out a quotation from the Pramana Vartika and you can't understand it, which you can't, there's one resource you can use. What do you call that?

There's one recourse you can take. There's only one recourse you can take, and that's Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk. And so, just as a treat, as a future taste of Ben's next book after he spends two more years on a list of stuff.

Right, Ben?

[Speaker 2]
Totally.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, I checked ahead today because I was getting impatient myself. We got like three more lists to go and we're done. Okay, here's Gen Yeshe Wangchuk on this quotation.

Okay, let me see if there's a good place. Yeah, here we go. We're out of time though, Geshe-la.

What? We just started. I know.

It was my homework.

[Speaker 3]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
We'll do Geshe Yeshe Wangchuk later. Okay, one, two, three, four, five. Stopped here.

Okay, good, you guys? Okay, I'm looking forward to our first taste of the book that Ben has projected to spend 51 years translating. Whoa.

He beat you, Stanley. It's okay.

[Speaker 2]
Geshe, how many pages is that to take 51 years?

[Speaker 1]
I think it's 3,000 pages or something like that. It's extremely incredible. It's one of the most important books on the planet.

[Speaker 2]
By the way, Geshe-la, where do you put things like quantum fixes in these three levels of reality?

[Speaker 1]
Depends on who you are.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I mean, but generally.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, generally, I think they would say Kokyur.

[Speaker 2]
Kokyur.

[Speaker 1]
Second level.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
I think you have to get to the laws of karmic correlations before you can get to super, super deep, okay? By the way, Stanley, we're on for two days from now, okay? The second vacation day, okay?

Okay. All right, here we go, you guys.

[Speaker 3]
Okay. Adam, is that your town?

[Speaker 1]
Is the picture your town? Yeah, I told you. That's my house right there.

Have you climbed up on the top of those mountains? Oh, all over them. Yeah, totally.

I've walked all over them. I've walked all over these ridgelines here. All behind me are the valleys.

Wow. I think I'll stick to Kapse. Oh, it's good.

It's good for working off the Kapse. You can eat whatever you want if you're an ultramarathoner. Not that I am, but I'm an ultramarathoner.

Yay. Say hi to your little girl for us.