Адам Андраде — Книга 2: Логика. Рассеивая тьму, занятие 4

[Speaker 1]
SANGYE CHU RANG TSOK GI CHOK NAM PA JANG CHU BA RU DAK NI KYAP SU CHI DAK GI NYEN YIN GYI PE SO NAM KYI DRO LA PIN CHE SANGYE CHU PAR SHOK

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SANGYE CHU RANG TSOK GI CHOK NAM PA

[Speaker 1]
JANG CHU BA RU DAK NI KYAP SU CHI DAK GI NYEN YIN GYI PE SO NAM KYI DRO LA PIN CHE SANGYE CHU PAR SHOK

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SANGYE CHU RANG TSOK GI CHOK NAM PA JANG CHU BA RU DAK NI KYAP SU CHI DAK GI NYEN YIN GYI PE SO NAM KYI DRO LA PIN CHE SANGYE CHU PAR SHOK

[Speaker 1]
Yay, homework time. All right. Yeah, so we got the full Sanskrit title of the text last time.

I was going to see if you guys could remember it.

[Speaker 3]
SAMAN SHASTA SENA SAPTA AL LANKARA MANAS TAMOGNA Oh, perfect. Nice. Perfect.

[Speaker 2]
We also got four ways of doing this.

[Speaker 1]
Do you guys remember the first one?

[Speaker 3]
I didn't hear you. What did you say?

[Speaker 1]
The four ways. Can you guys hear me OK?

[Speaker 3]
Now I can. There was another noise going on.

[Speaker 1]
Some people had their mics unmuted, and there was a lot of noise in the background. I don't see your homework. Can you share your homework?

Oh, sorry. Sorry, yeah. That's one of the reasons you guys can't see it.

I'll give you the first one. It's being generous, sharing material things. Totally, yeah.

Number two?

[Speaker 2]
Encouraging them.

[Speaker 1]
Encouraging, yes. Number three?

[Speaker 2]
To put it into use, not just think about it and be intellectual about it.

[Speaker 1]
Encourage them to put it into practice, right? Encourage them to apply it in their lives. To apply it.

That is the best thing. The last one? You yourself be an example.

Yeah, perfectly. Practice what you preach. That's it.

Okay. The last one. What epithet was given for Lord Shiva?

Briefly explain its meaning. Is it like the creamy white black throat guy? Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
With the heavy burden of dreadlocks?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, totally. It has to do specifically with moon. With what?

The black-throated one.

[Speaker 3]
Okay. The one on his hair?

[Speaker 1]
He ate poison when they were churning the ocean for nectar because some poison came out and he drank it and his throat turned black. That's it. Yeah.

Cool. Yeah, we were still going through the poetry.

[Speaker 3]
It's like a honey bee.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. So I was kind of having some trouble drawing material for homework questions.

Those are awesome questions. So children.

[Speaker 3]
Crown.

[Speaker 1]
And what about Shiva? Top of his head. Yeah.

And drone den.

[Speaker 3]
Having feathers?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's it. Wow, okay. Somebody said honey bee.

What was the word for honey bee? There's also one called drop. Drew Kong as well.

It's just like a six-legged ones. Somebody's watching Chinese cartoons.

[Speaker 3]
Translated sounds like.

[Speaker 1]
Good job guys. Thank you. Which has a feather.

Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
No, thank you guys. Okay, here we go. I got to turn my something on, right?

Okay. Oh, yeah. You're going fast, by the way, Adam.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, God.

[Speaker 1]
They're all speeding up, which is kind of scary. Where did we stop last time? Must have taken it off.

[Speaker 3]
Search times for nine space 28.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah, I got it. Now, Adam, just a note. I put for you here a good source for the four ways of collecting disciples, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, great.

[Speaker 1]
You just sent out?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. So just, you know, you can throw that into your footnotes. It's by Delta J.

Before we get started, I'm using the external monitor. And I'm a little confused as to whether or not it's using the microphone on my laptop or on my display. Are you guys, can you hear me, like, clearly?

Yeah. Speaking at the level you're speaking at, it's fine.

[Speaker 3]
It's not clear. It's cutting in and out compared to everyone else. In other words, you have to be speaking loudly to pick it up.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, cool. Can you tell me what brand of monitor you're using because you look so handsome. I was thinking maybe I could improve my looks, you know?

Just kidding. My mom's here. My mom's actually in the room.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, good job, mom.

[Speaker 1]
She did a good job. I think the job on the brand job was better than the job, I mean, but, you know, okay. All right.

Okay. Okay, who's your picker? Let's see.

All right. Who's checking the first verse.

[Speaker 3]
I can't see who's here.

[Speaker 1]
What about.

[Speaker 2]
What's that?

[Speaker 1]
Do you mind? Sure.

[Speaker 2]
Picking your checkers. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Who's the first one?

[Speaker 2]
They'll say.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Okay. We're easing into the text, Adam.

RIGS PA'I DBANG BCUG means the Lord of Reasoning. BSGOM BDUN means what he had in mind. THYI MA MED PA, faultlessly, demolishedly.

RJES SHIN BYAS PA This BYAS PA means who revealed. This is the BYAS PA that you use for opening a door or opening something. There's a person who revealed the true meaning of what Dharmakirti had in mind.

Sorry, Dignaga had in mind. Or you could read it as what the Buddha had in mind. We don't have to decide.

It's just the Lord of Reasoning. Probably Dignaga.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
His true intentions, BSGOM BDUN, were flawlessly exposed or revealed by the glorious THYAG PA, Dharmakirti. Dharmakirti. Somebody has THOB PA, has achieved the MIG, the eyes of LOD DROD.

What's LOD DROD? Intelligence. Yeah.

Now somebody has achieved the eyes, meaning the intelligence, which can act out in just the same way. SKAL NYAM. There's somebody who's just as fortunate, SKAL NYAM PA, as Dharmakirti himself in having the wisdom eyes to understand all this logic stuff.

And I have to say, it's me.

[Speaker 2]
Me, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
C'est moi. C'est moi. Okay.

And I'm going to share it to you guys. And I'm going to share the RIG LAM to you guys. What's that?

Path of Reasoning. The Path of Reasoning. MA NOR BAR.

Unerringly. Yeah, and SEL WAR.

[Speaker 2]
Clearly.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so I, who have achieved the eyes of wisdom that can explore these subjects equally to the skill of Dharmakirti himself, as he commented on his own predecessor. I'm going to explain it to you. You're so lucky.

It sounds like something Gyaltsabje would say. Maybe he wrote the first verses for him, I don't know. Okay, who's up next, Chundzom?

Tangtang. Hey, Tangtang, yay. Okay, Adam.

Okay, it gets worse, okay? And if I ever hear this verse from you guys, I'm going to kill you. All right.

DIN NA GANG DAG LO MIG SDONG BA'I THU. Look, there are people whose mental eyes are blind. SDONG, okay?

About this topic, you know, logic. DIN NA, okay? And because of that, okay?

GNAS DANG CHAGS TZAM SEMS RIGS TU MED KYANG They don't have the slightest ability to clarify even the smallest part of what this stuff means, really. Now, my suggestion is... Now I'm going to the fourth line, okay?

You shen yins, okay? You other teachers in Tibet, before me, RIGS means, hey. NGEL SO means, hey, why don't you guys take a break?

Why don't you take a break for a bit, okay? RIGS means here for a bit. NGEL SO means to take a break, okay?

To rest yourself. And here is the imperative. SO ZHIG Hey, you guys take a break, okay?

Why? NA TSOS THAR BYED PAS You have come to the end of your days. Okay?

NA TSOS means age. Okay? Like, THAR means you have reached the end of your age, meaning the end of your days, okay?

And you spent those days SHUNG TZAM BDUN PA. Reciting the books. Yeah, you just recited these classics.

People do that. They take the car gear. They do a lung for two months or three months.

They read the whole thing out loud. And they don't read it. They just recite it.

And they get money from a sponsor who pays them to listen, you know? So, he says, hey, you other guys who just like to recite these books for sponsors and have spent your whole life that way and now come to the end of your days, I suggest you take a well-deserved rest. And guess who's going to come?

[Speaker 3]
Adam. Adam. Who's next?

Alice. Alice. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Reciting the books. Okay. Okay.

No change. I'm suspicious about the chiwa, okay? Check this.

Okay. Anyway. LOG MA'I GNOG ZAL means the jungle of wrong opinions, okay?

The jungle of wrong opinions. I'm going to tell our log. I'm going to reduce it to dust, okay?

That's a special expression. Tell our log. Nagarjuna was...

This is one of his favorite expressions. Okay, I'm going to reduce the jungle of wrong ideas, wrong opinions, LOG MA', to dust. And the mountain crag, chagri, of lousy explanations of logic, nye she, is going to become ming tsam ni.

Take a guess, Adam. Nothing left. Yeah, except...

Except the correct explanations. No, nothing left of those mountains except their ming.

[Speaker 2]
Except their name, right.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, where is Xanadu nowadays? Where's Xanadu?

I mean, we know the name, but the place is gone. He says, I'm going to reduce the granite mountain of your lousy explanations to people will only remember the name. There won't be a place anymore.

That mountain's going to disappear in the world, okay? Okay. KHO BA'I LO BRDOD DRIN RIM LAS YONGS PAS The dark clouds, DRIN RIM, of my massive intelligence, LO BRDOD, are gathering, and NAM CHAGS is going to fall.

Iron. From the sky. Yeah, meaning lightning, okay?

Iron lightning, steel lightning, which traditionally has a diamond at the tip. My NAM CHAGS of LUNG and RIG PA. Scriptural and logical proofs.

Yeah, my steel lightning of scripture and logical proofs, which is coming from the dark gathering clouds of my massive intelligence, is going to strike, okay? And if the text is not mistaken, it says, your time has come, you chivas. You children.

You kids, you childs, you babies. Hey, you two-year-olds who've been trying to explain Dharmakirti, TENG BEP means the time has come. Your time has come.

It's very, very cool, if you ask me. Ashola. What?

Wasn't that chi without an S mean like rat or something? It could be. It could be.

I just don't feel comfortable with it. Something's wrong with it, okay? Something's wrong with it.

I don't think any Buddhist scholar would call other Buddhists a rat. Something's wrong with it, okay? Okay, we got to...

It could mean my lightning's going to fall, BEP, right? Today, TENG. But I can't guess...

Maybe you can look it up, or maybe it has another meaning, okay? Okay. Or maybe there's something wrong with this.

[Speaker 3]
Well, it could mean to commit adultery, so I don't think that's what it's...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, there's something wrong with this, okay?

[Speaker 3]
To be devoid of hair.

[Speaker 1]
Do you think it could be the vow that it was a miscarriage? Oh, all we have to do is check another edition. We just have to check another edition, okay?

Yeah. If you want to do it, let's not do it now. I could do it now, but...

I can do it. I'll do it. Yeah, we have some bad typings in the uncatalog data.

We got some... Somebody tried to do an input project, and they finished some books, and they include GALS of J. So we do have some lousy typings in the uncatalog section, okay?

So just search for another section. Search the uncatalog data for Lodur Jinrungle, okay? And you'll get it.

So the room, the room here is... Room means dark, dark. Okay.

Dark gathering clouds, okay? If someone just looks up Lodur Jinrungle in the uncatalog data, you'll hit it, okay? Yeah.

I could do it now. Okay, please read. Who's up?

[Speaker 2]
Jenny. Wow.

[Speaker 1]
LONG NGAN NYE ZHES DUG BCUD NYOD PA'I THOD TZANG RGYAS BSTAN PA'I ZHUNG RGYA MA MTHONG YANG RANG SOGS SU LUM RANG BAR PHAL CHE DE ZHING YIN DE KHUN BAG YOD DU LA BAB Okay. LONG NGAN NYE ZHES DUG BCUD NYOD PA'I THOD You have gone crazy from drinking the poisoned water of bad explanations of people with bad understanding, okay? And due to that too, you have also been unable to set your eyes on the great classics taught by the Buddha about loving, okay?

So the RGYA here? ZHUNG RGYA, the great. Just mini classics?

Yeah, it might be a misspelling, okay? But if it's correct, let's see if it's, is this RGYA, okay? But as it is now, it means the extensive scriptures, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
If it's RGYA, it means the thousand scriptures, okay? RANG SO means you made stuff up yourself, okay? You're just making stuff up yourself.

SU LUM means fake classics that people just make up, they find it under a rock, things like that, okay? It's called the, I don't know, fake news, okay? Fake news about SU LUM, okay?

Then you guys are RANG GAR SPEL. You're spreading it, you know, at will, you know? You're just having fun without any inhibition.

As much as you like, you're spreading this fake news that you made up, okay? You guys, you shingles. Sorry, sorry again.

You teachers, the time has come to be PARG YOD. Be careful, or... Yeah, be careful, because here comes KETU JIN.

Watch yourself, watch yourself. Here comes KETU JIN, okay? DU LA BAP means the time has come for you guys to control yourselves a little bit and stop spreading these fake books that you wrote when you were poisoned by the, okay?

By your bad minds, okay? Wow.

[Speaker 3]
I've never seen anything like this before.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I bet he was hanging out with GYEL TSUB JE because we don't see this in KETU JIN's book normally, right? Okay. All right, here we go.

RIG TSUL BDAG RGYAL BSTAN PA'I NYAN BCUG BU, LEGS SHES OD ZER RTONG BSTAN PA'I DER ZHAR, LO ZER GANG SGRUB BSTAN PA'I KHYER KHYER BA NA, RGAG SGRUB MYIN PA'I DRAG LDAN, DRAG LDAN DAG DROG ZHIG Okay, good. RIG TSUL, the ways of logic, BDAG RGYAL BSTAN PA'I NYAN, the friend of the hundred lotus, the hundred-petaled one, the friend of the lotus is a name for the sun, okay? So you, by the way, this is SA HA SRAR RA, right?

You know, the thousand-spoked wheel. Okay, you are the one and only friend of the hundred-lotus flower, which is the ways of logic, which is the correct ways of logic. It means you are the sun.

The friend of the flower is called the sun. LEGS SHES OD ZER RTONG BSTAN PA'I DER ZHAR Please rise now, okay, from the dark. And today, DENG, rise with your thousand rays of light, of clear explanation, of good books, okay?

Let the low-self kundrut DENG PA'I DGE BA NAM. There's your kundruts, Adam.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the six-legged ones.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, let these clear-minded disciples, okay? Low-self usually refers to good disciples like you guys, okay? Those lucky bees of clear minds, okay?

By the way, he's going back to the Bua in the first verse, right?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Look, Ishvara comes and puts his head at the feet of the Buddha. And now we got other lucky bees who are going to... DRAG DENG means having a sound, and it means a song, okay?

So DROG means proclaim. DRAG means now, okay? Now, let the lucky bees of disciples of clear minds sing the happy song of proving things and disproving things.

DRAG and DROG, okay? With logic. DRAG DROG means logic, okay?

Disproving and proving, okay? Let them sing the lovely song. NYAN means good sounding, okay?

Let them sing the beautiful song. Now it's time for those bees to buzz with logic, okay? All right, it's very cute.

Thank you. Yay, we got to the poetry. Everybody give Adam a hand.

Yay. Now we reach something we can understand. Anyway, he has threatened all the people.

Now let's see if it lives up to his bragging. Okay, who's up?

[Speaker 2]
Honey.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, let's work honey. I'm here. Okay, just criticize every fifth word.

Okay. Okay. Dear Deva Shepa Sunggyu Chen Tzu, the cherished, here's a good use of cherished, right?

Yeah. Not like Seiji's book, okay? The cherished treasure, okay?

Kosha, right? It's a pun here. The cherished kosha of the words of the Buddha is the Abhidharma.

Right. Stanley, I told you somebody was going to praise your book. The profound treasure house, which is cherished by everybody among all the teachings of the Buddha, okay?

Chön Lümpi Dena, the Abhidharma Pitaka, okay? The gong dun, what does it really mean? Tenla Tata Chepa.

Let's, let's, let's expo, ex, ex, let's write an exposition. Let's explain or let's, let's... Set forth.

Set forth, great. Let's set forth the meaning of those 700 years of Abhidharma, okay? It will help everybody who's through a dunya.

What's that mean? Aspiring for liberation. Aspiring towards liberation.

And it will help them draw to Tarpa and Tantric Kimba. Get to freedom and omniscience. To liberation and omniscience.

Good. THEG PA GSUM KYI LAM GYI GNAS MA LUS PA It includes all the GNAS of the THEG PA GSUM. The crucial points of the three vehicles.

Yay! THA GZHAN DU BYANG BA MI NGES PA'I means it cannot be... I'm going to say it cannot be reinterpreted.

It's pretty... The texts on... The system of logic is not a chung tun.

It's a NGES PA. It doesn't treat emptiness necessarily. But it's not something that you could interpret in a wrong way.

I mean, a reason is a reason. JE KHYAB is JE KHYAB. LDOG KHYAB is LDOG KHYAB.

CHOG CHUD is CHOG CHUD. You see? It's not something you have to interpret.

The rules of logic are the same for all Buddhist schools. SEMS PA'I LAM GNAS MA This path is taught in the book, On Correct Perception. Accurate Perception.

Who's going to check next?

[Speaker 2]
JB.

[Speaker 1]
JB's key. JB, thank you for these books, JB. We bow at your lotus feet.

It's all you, Geshe-la. Adam. Jensen.

GYEL TSUN BYAS PA'I YANG GYI THUG LA SKYE PA'I TSE DANG NYID CHEN PO LOB PO'I CHOG NGAM YAB TSE KYI TSE PA'I TSE MA'I DZIN CHOS TE RIN DZO DANG CHE PA'I PHUNG DZIN TEN LA PA PA LA DZIN NAM PA CHI TE Okay, great. So, by the way, the last paragraph refers to this guy. Jensen GYEL TSUN BYAS PA'I YANG.

Okay. Sorry, not to him, but to the people who were born from his THUG. Yeah.

Manjushri had some kids. And they were born from his heart. Okay.

All right. Who kids of Manjushri? The Mahatma, DANG NYID CHEN PO.

Master Chog Lam. What's it mean when he says Yab Tse, Adam?

[Speaker 2]
Spiritual father and son.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Meaning Dignaga and... And Master Dharmakirti.

Yeah. Now, I don't think Dharmakirti was a direct son. Well, they happen to have written, between them, they wrote the seven classics on pramana, on accurate perception.

Who did that, Adam? The seven. Master Dharmakirti.

Yeah. Now, what did Vijnana do? Dhol.

[Speaker 2]
Sutra, seven sutras.

[Speaker 1]
No. In the study of pramana, dhol means the master book of Dignaga, okay? Semmedho.

Semmedho. It's called the mother book, okay? In this case, it doesn't mean a sutra.

It means the mother book of all logic. So you got the seven commentaries of Dharmakirti, but they're just accompanying the Dhol, capital D, okay? Which I believe is the manavishya, okay?

It's a presentation on accurate perception. Okay, we'll get to it. Gongdun Tenla Bepa.

It, Dignaga's master work is the mother book, okay? Okay. Gongdun Tenla Bepa.

We are going to set forth the real meaning of these books, you know, what their authors really had in mind. How many books? Seven?

Plus? Eight. Yeah, eight.

Eight plus the mother book. Okay, so we're gonna, the purpose of my book is to explain those eight books, what they really mean, the gongdun, okay? I'm gonna tell you what their authors really had in mind.

My presentation has, Dön Namba Shi, has four points. There are four huge sections in my commentary, okay? Which is 335 pages in the Tibet, so you can say 2,400 pages in the English, okay?

All right, hee, hee, hee. All right. So, here's the four categories of my explanation.

Okay, who's up next? Vimala. Yay, Vimala.

Hey, Vimala, my tummy got bigger.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, I am so sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, no, I'm glad you delivered it after yoga. She brought me some Tibetan bread. Ome.

She and her two boy, her boyfriend and her friend. Okay. All right, let's go, let's go.

Seme tenche gepa tenla bapa. Gepa de- Apa, apa, apa, apa, apa, apa, apa, apa, apa, yeah. Gepa de tenche larak lepe su.

Gepa de, gepa de tenche chepar sumor damba. Tenche kye je chak je je le tenla la apa-o. Apa-o, nice, apa-o.

Okay. First of all, he's going to do that traditional thing. He's going to prove that this tenche has a gepa.

Has a goal. Yeah, the books of, the books, plural. The books on accurate perception or logic, or clear thinking, do, they do have a purpose.

There's a reason why they were written, okay? But that's the gusl chushi, right? Then he's going to prove the jelwa.

Okay? The gepa rak lepas on the tenche. Okay, depends upon, yeah, depends upon the classical.

Yeah, meaning there's a relationship between what I'm, the result I'm promising you and the book I'm asking you to study, okay? So the, the goal I'm promising you, which I just promised you in section one, does, is revealed in this book. If you study this book, you will get the results I promise, okay?

That's the second subject. The third subject is a dampa, like in kadampa, that you should jepa these tenches. And yeah, advice that you should cherish the classical commentaries.

Yeah, these eight classics, okay? Personal aid. And it's always the sense of dampa means, hey, look, just between you and me, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta love these books or you won't make it through, okay?

Just between you and me, dampa, you gotta, you gotta cherish these books, okay? Why? Because they have that goal in them.

You can reach that goal. They possess, gupa de dem. They possess that goal that I'm promising you.

So these books are gonna give you Buddhahood. So look, you know, like respect them and, and love them, okay? All right.

Then lastly, we're gonna ten la bapa, the lu of the tencha. We're gonna set forth the subject matter of the body of the work, of the- Body of the work. Now, Adam, guess what percent of the book is the first three categories and guess which percent of the book is the fourth category.

You know, I think the obvious is wrong, right? I can tell you. I can tell you.

It's gonna be 2% of the book for the first three categories and it's gonna be 98% of the book for the fourth category. Therefore, therefore, translators who blindly split the book up into these four categories are making strange translations, okay? You can't have a translation of this book which says part one, part two, part three, part four.

Part one is one page. Part two is two pages. Part three is three pages.

And part four is 1,200 pages, okay? And that's what many, many translators do. Oh, look, Khenpoche split it into four parts.

Tibetans don't count parts the way Westerners do, okay? The outline of a Tibetan book is a running outline. It's not a content or a quantity outline.

And people who struggle to maintain the original outline of a Tibetan book are doomed to write strange translations, okay? That's a pet peeve of mine, as you may have noticed. Okay.

Adam, go ahead next. TAM PO LA YANG DGOS PA LA LOG PAR THOG PAR GAR PA DANG YANG DAG PA'I DGOS PA THENG PA NI You can translate this. He's gonna discuss the purpose of logic, okay?

And he's gonna do it in two parts. Tell me what they are. Okay, well, here, we're gonna divide the first.

DGOS PA, the first part is to refuting the wrong ideas. About the DGOS PA. About the goal.

Yeah. And then we're going to set forth, or we're going to present the actual purpose. Nice, perfect, perfect.

Really perfect, okay? And that's interesting, okay? Hey, you guys, you should study logic books.

Why? Oh, there's a great goal to be achieved. Okay, how are you gonna teach me that goal?

Well, first, let me tell you what's not the goal. And then I'll tell you what is the goal, okay? All right, now, he's gonna talk.

He's gonna divide the first one into three parts. What was the first one again? Wrong ideas.

Yeah, refuting wrong ideas. About the purpose of logic. About the purpose of logic, okay?

Now, you and I know the real purpose of logic is to get to the right restaurant you want with your friends, but, okay. That's number three, right? So, three parts to the discussion of wrong ideas about the goal of logic, okay?

Here we go. Who's checking? Kelly.

Yay, Kelly. Hello, my name is Kelly. I'm a student at the University of Chicago.

I'm a student at the University of Chicago. Okay, I'm gonna read it for you because it's a little bit difficult. We're gonna go from the back of each one.

Gagpa refuting the loktok, the wrong idea that the study of logic has no point to it from the point of view, lak tuk de, from the point of view of people who wanna reach liberation, okay? So, first I'm gonna refute the idea that some people have, the wrong idea that some people have that logic is useless for spiritual people. What you hear a lot, you hear that a lot in Sedona.

I hear it all day, it drives me crazy, okay? We are gonna refute the wrong idea that logic has no place in a spiritual path, okay? And that's a really cool, okay.

Next, same structure, work from the back of number two. We are gonna refute the wrong idea that there's no point to logic relative to where you live, or something like that, relative to your circumstances. And don't worry about it, okay?

We'll get there, okay? Now, you're gonna translate number three for me and go backwards. We're gonna gagpa the dupa that there is a guapa, but it's mimba.

[Speaker 2]
We're gonna refute the belief that there is a lower, that there is a, yeah, we're gonna refute the belief that there is a lower intent.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that there is a purpose to studying logic, but it's not very important. Yeah. It's like if you wanna graduate from college or something.

Okay, all right? Okay. All right, dampa ni means we are going to refute the wrong idea that there's no point to studying logic for spiritual people, okay?

Yay. Go quick, Adam, before they shut us off. Dampa ni, gacik nare, tseme ten chok di dak dro we, dun nyer la nge war ko wan ma yin te, tok ge ten chok yin pe nang rik pe, den nge lek chi rok tu gyur pe, chi rok she ser tok.

Okay, I'm just gonna translate it because we only have two minutes, I guess. We can go a few minutes over if you want, Danny. Oh, we promised a few minutes over, yeah.

Gacik nare, here's the opponent. Okay, I'm just gonna translate it for you. Nyer war ko wa, nyer war ko wa, at the end of the line, it means necessity, okay?

A necessary thing. Usually it's referred to with the getting together all your stuff before you go on a long hike or something. Okay?

Like you gotta have water, you gotta have good shoes, you gotta have a compass, okay? Those are called nyer war ko was, for taking a long hike, okay? So, tseme ten chok di dak, these classical commentaries on the subject of logic are not necessity for people who seek freedom, okay?

These books, logic is not necessary for spiritual people, basically, okay? But his reason is interesting, okay? The other guy's reason is very specific.

Toge tencho yinpe, this is a, these are classical commentaries on, what's another word for logic, Adam, that we can use?

[Speaker 2]
Disputation.

[Speaker 1]
Disputation. Yeah, reason disputation. Yeah, let's just call it disputation for now.

We'll think of a better word. Look, these are just books on disputation, okay? And they're not even considered among the classical Buddhist sciences, okay?

There are five Buddhist sciences. There are five general sciences, okay? And we're gonna go through them.

But logic is not even considered part of the Buddhist sciences. It's not one of the Buddhist sciences, okay? Nangrikpa means a field of knowledge which belongs to Buddhism, okay?

He says the books on logical argument are not even part of the Buddhist canon. They are other, they're outside, they're like mathematics or music or, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Got it? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I guess we get to go one more paragraph because I went over it last time. Go. I'll correct you.

I'll correct you for free. Okay. The la shepar jate, de yang di tar tok ge she jawa ni nampa ni te gyuropay tenpa yang song rin kye la sokpe tokpe dakpa tsam kyi go ne shakpe tok gi tam, tok ge dang.

Yeah, okay. De la shepar jate. Listen, let me explain this to you, okay?

This topic. Okay, let me explain this topic to you. De yang di tar tok ge she jawa ni.

When we talk about disputation, okay? When we talk about logical arguments, let's call it logical argument, okay? When we talk about logical argument, you got to understand there's two types, okay?

And by the way, this is nyaya. This is nyaya, right? The ancient Sanskrit thought nyaya, okay?

So when we talk about dispute, what do you call it? What's the other word for logic? Plural.

Anyway. Reasoning? Huh?

Reasoning? No, I'm looking for something else. Anyway, when we talk about logical argument, you got to understand there's two separate divisions, okay?

There's two separate divisions because nyaya is a huge school of Hinduism, okay? The study of logic, nyaya, is one of the great schools of, it's like middle way or mind only in Hinduism, okay? Do you want to say rhetoric, Geshe-la?

No, not really.

[Speaker 3]
Dialectic.

[Speaker 1]
Oh yeah, dialectics. Dialectics might be good, but the emphasis is on a conversation. So anyway, okay.

You got to understand that nyaya has two different emanations, there's the general nyaya, which is a part of Hinduism, and then there's nyaya for Buddhists, which is subtly separate, okay? We're saying that nampa-ni, right? Nampa.

Yeah, there's two divisions. There's two types of nyaya, okay? So don't get confused.

I know nyaya is one of the major branches of Hinduism, but that's not what we're talking about here, okay? Chirupitamba means non-Buddhist teacher. The Siddhi, okay?

The great masters named Lin Kye, and you're going to find that name for me in Sanskrit, okay? It's going to be something like Dvipaja. I couldn't find it.

For the next class or for translation? Next class, okay? And hey, you guys let Adam try, okay?

I'm curious. I did some light Google searches. I couldn't find it, and I think I found it before once, okay?

It's not in the Kangyur-Tengur symbol, okay? Forget that. Okay, they have tokpe taktsangi kone shakpe toge, okay?

They have a nyaya. I admit they have a logical disputation system, but it's just made up. Tokpe taktsangi, okay?

Usually tokpe taktsangi means in name only, right? Look, it's not really logic. And if you studied nyaya as it's taught nowadays, for example, if you go to a Hindu ashram and listen to them try to teach nyaya, it's just called nyaya.

It has very little to do with nyaya, okay? Okay, and let's stop there, okay? Let's stop there.

We're going to reach now the second kind of nyaya, okay? Which is the real one. 29th of September already, that's crazy.

[Speaker 3]
It is.

[Speaker 1]
I'm ready when you are, Adam. SASHI PUKYE DUKSHENG NEDOKAROHA PIRAMEN SHIDDHI NIMBEDEKYAM BHAJI SANGYE SHINGDU MIKENGO BARTE DROGON NAMAH CHINMAYU DIRAMGUR RATNAMANAKAM NIRNAYA NIRNAYA NAMASAMSAMSAMSAMSAM Hey Adam, give your mom everybody's love, okay? Tell her we appreciate her effort to create a mixed nut.

Definitely. Thank you again. That was a great class.

Yeah, it gets better.