Классика Алмазного огранщика: Нижний Срединный путь — Анализ зависимости, занятие 31

[Speaker 1]
Shogi Shmugi, smugdi shmugi. Do you want somebody to do the homework first? Do you have questions?

[Speaker 2]
yeah go oh should be up top there's this little square with an arrow your air

[Speaker 1]
yeah yeah you don't have to do it on the first day right I turn on the second one I'm sorry occurring at the same time here okay that's not one need some job passing to another life make the crossing from the old life to okay so can lean number three and number 11 of the will occur at the same time in a single cycle according to the text yes according to the text yes yes our link number three the same as link number 11 and why the same thing at the

[Speaker 2]
same time and the reason is sometimes he says something right so yeah cutting

[Speaker 1]
from the text I copied them looking at the link number three from the result point of view it is conscious of the world from the result aspect number 11 it doesn't know as it is a changing think think which is not a mind and body

[Speaker 2]
as good but it's not like full marks for doing neither and nor

[Speaker 1]
okay okay can we define link number four as name and form and why this is where sort of bias sort of bias labors okay let's see mr. Shugan did anybody oh I'm not up there did anybody find me this thing somebody was gonna somebody claim

[Speaker 2]
to have found a new woodblock no just find this for me and tell me if it's

[Speaker 1]
correct this piece right here okay not not right now but how about after class let me know okay it's just then we can close his past stuff do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do it's so nice to have people do that kind of stuff for me

[Speaker 2]
by the way all right we already such eat we did okay here was the country

[Speaker 1]
ground you tend to such a you wanted to be mentioned you tend them so he's trying to define mingsook which is the fourth the fourth link which is basic name and form nama rupa which means you guys know the first heap is Rupa and the other four heaps are called nama mean name okay so he's trying to define it all right and it's kind of reasonable it's basically says after the third link stops and tend all here means yeah it doesn't mean dependent origination it means a link of different okay such an economy so you know it seems pretty reasonable it's the link that happens after the link of the third link so that's not such a bad definition of the fourth all right now let's read this one go and we had a shocking answer which I'm sure is more shocking than what Trump did yesterday whatever whatever he did I know okay go Phil has a plane they send it met met a cheerful stay now send the to cure pay mingsook he tend well information today they not send to cure pay mingsook he tend well he nice nice key okay you tell how you're what your definition cannot be correct good because they tend you make me there's the shocking part yeah there's no definition of this link of name and form so if there's no definition for a thing it can't exist okay it's not great so there's only 11 links okay I just to make sure now it's the 11 links of the wheel according to mr.

Lush are just getting okay they send you maybe today they don't send and as I predicted they would misspelled send sometimes right they don't send to cure pay mingsook keep tender Yimba maybe sure when you say Yimba after something it means for fifty

[Speaker 2]
dollars well more clarity for $40 okay I'm out of human dictionary did you wake

[Speaker 1]
up this morning it means an example of something which is done okay okay poopa Yimba met there's nothing which is of this you see I mean okay so here there's no such thing as anything which is the link of mingsook namarupa there's no such thing there's no one thing right which is both got it there's no example in the universe of something which is both so that Yimba is crucial and it's sneaky it's small it looks normal it's not may it means there's no such thing in the universe why they not secure means to get tender new but chicken chick maybe cabbage here what's that mean chicken chick mingi cabbage yeah literally it says once you are one you cannot be the other it's always the case that you are not the other or it's never the case that you are the other okay once you are mean you you can't be so once you're a suit you can't be me okay nama once you're nama you can't be root but once you're a looper you can't be number and I'll be done with school they would debate them but that's another story okay yeah and all around here you got to be careful about the column okay in this discussions of the fourth lane you have to be careful of common common normally means what either or or both you think either or or both you see and when you use it in defining the fourth link it's got to be either or it can be both this name it cannot be okay so this Congress is slippery with the fourth link okay cool okay go Phil you're still at the plane don't crash it ming sook me yeah ming sook me in gel sir sir no sir why don't you keep going legend ship a mean to change ship a ship a mean to so my impact this is our counterexample where are you going down or up it's a counterexample it's gotta go down oh yeah are you telling me my mother okay minion page minion page here okay kick one more that goes up now it's what he believes that Tom he's got he shouldn't do for two I still have some nice barley coffee if you need he gave me I asked for one value and she brought me like 20 we had it in Paris and it's really good touching any ming sook mean gal yeah if yeah but yeah because we just said if one is one that can't be the other right so it's natural for him to come back and say okay then there's no one thing which is both right we're gonna get into the two kinds of contradiction in Adam's tick pens and bungalow and plunging meningo say pens and bungalow changing meningo pens and bungalow changing meningo two kinds of contradiction in Buddhism pens and bungalow is all blue and all yellow and one thing cannot be both okay changing meningo means two conditions which cannot coexist in the same area like they say crows and owls and crows or something like that they don't like each other like hot and cold okay something like that so anyway which girl is talking about we don't know yet then we say let's take legend yeah nice David doctor what's the s come on that would be hard from the guys a gift by the gods you see a gift by the gods right this is a tail door Theodore yeah tail door cool tail means Dale Davis God means the gift yeah Theodore gift of the gods yeah okay legend David doctor yeah shipping me by the way this is one of those John Doe Joe Schmoe you know just a typical name okay it doesn't refer to the bad guy yeah it's not a dig at somebody okay all right they have a daddy let's take the name they have a data quote these are quotation marks right ship is quotation marks unfortunately in Tibetan you don't know where it started yeah you just have the ending one okay then you have to figure out where it starts and sometimes that's not easy okay okay let's take the name Devadatta soup my Mbatha so I guess it's not Rupa because it's now now we go to the Abhidharma you see Abhidharma has a debate about names they some half of them say they are the sound and half of them say they are the demon Gucci the concept of a name okay so there's a big there's a big debate in the Abhidharma we'll get to it legend Chevy means in a soup my Mbatha minion bitch are you telling me it's not physical because it's a name because you said Rupa Nama are contradictory you said chicken chick show you've been my image up if something is one it can't be the other okay then what did we say here after the cheer I'm sorry what did he say after the cheer you can't say teacher to cheer there's only two answers to cheer what stop my do or capital my tomb Tom I do means I disagree with the reason Kevin mentioned means I agree with the reason but doesn't prove what you're trying to prove okay yeah no somebody here said Tom I do okay I disagree I disagree what if you disagree to the talk here what are you disagreeing to that what's the dark minion minion so you're saying mean Mayan if you say dog my dupe you're saying mean man it's not a name what Theodore okay it's not a name okay got it then we say that of course it's a name it's the name of David okay let's see did he change the church in and the top are they identical are they different they're different so he's legal you can't say to your wife we're going to the Japanese restaurant we're going to the delicious Japanese restaurant because it's a delicious Japanese but it's not you can't say that you can't you can't yeah because the premise is that they the by the way the premise is they must recognize the elements they must understand what's a delicious Japanese okay anyway so if they don't you can change it and say that means the restaurant is delicious get it okay okay yes it is a name okay it's Rupa sorry mama because it's there a daughter's mama then what did we say sorry what did he say here if we say my do not what's my do not mean good if you if you don't agree with this reason okay top my do not means my do not if you disagree to the reason what's the reason it's David Donna's name okay then he said Tom ado means it's not David Donna's name David Donna is not David Donna's name okay okay take David Donna his name the name he is called okay here shipping me the name he is called is to his name because he should do Adam yeah he exists she droop is the same as you yeah okay let's say it again the name he's called is is his name because he's a thing he exists in the universe everything that exists in the universe is name what its name yeah

[Speaker 2]
well there's the problem so I guess my name is Theodore got it okay

[Speaker 1]
she should do bitch it's kind of a funny yeah okay she do what are we translating that as Adam do you remember okay established as existing yeah it's a synonym for you for example for existence okay in logic okay it's kind of confusing the pieces are confusing but just think of it as you and it's always said fast together she do you don't say she do okay okay now go ahead Phil you still have the plane don't crash it there to their church and think about your tells have a sip of coffee think about it this is us this is us okay it is physical because it's sound okay now means when it says sour dinner you have to go back and look for the word what is do an answer to tell good okay we say oh must be huh huh you saying that then solid domains yeah oh oh yeah I agree I agree I changed my mind okay now you have to go back and find the last tell and sometimes it's not the last tell us to tell me for that and sometimes it's 20 tells ago so let's go to the last tell and see if it makes sense what we just said here soup my mother are you telling me damn Adonis name is not a physical thing and he said good sorry he said teacher and we said because it's a name okay now he said you know what I changed my mind suit my in bar okay sook week we when you say it back to your llama you say sook my ember do I agree it's not physical what what's not physical David on his name David on his name I see it right here they've a doctor's name I agree it's not physical so here he changed his story sorry I'm doing that means you changed your story you know what I think I'll agree to what you first said cuz he got blocked this this path this road is blocked so what's that app ways is gonna take him this way okay like the ways up here's gonna redirecting to the only other route okay darn dinner day chicken what's the day what's the chicken changing in me changing in me the name of David otter okay let's take that sook in my house yes it is physical cuz it's sound okay now I'll be dama system sound is a little bit of debate okay because it's ephemeral it comes and goes you can't grab it I mean they didn't have recorders right so they're like it's so ephemeral it's almost not solid matter you know there's a debate about it so earlier we are proving that name and form cannot be both but now here we are proving that it can be both yeah but nobody said Kendall she part your pay Kendall she part your name yen luck she part your point yeah as the fourth link nobody said it nobody said it here okay in general yeah name and form are not name and matter are not are not contradictory he's always wrong right and he said they are so we can in general they're not contradictory a name is physical except in the Abhidharma some people say it's a concept but then you know Stanley the idea Stanley is a concept but the that's a physical yeah so yeah so in the fourth link they're much together right okay but in general no no not Marupa are not contradictory okay got it in some schools I guess in this school got it nobody said what which is which is right a clause right yeah she parted chirp a mingsook yeah not say yeah she parted chirp a mingsook name and form acting as the fourth name it's not the same as name and form okay got it and obviously because the name in name and form is what it's your mind in the womb basically it's your mind in the womb it's a nickname it's not name okay got it all right got it it's just a nickname for the the latter four heaps okay got it which unfortunately includes Dhamma Duchess which might be a ming in there somewhere but okay got it it's a what's it it's a misnomer it's it's yeah they just call it name it's not really name it just means not as solid as as the baby's body it's not as the parts of the baby which are not as solid as the baby's physical body are called yeah let's call him you know Valentine or something I tried his baby was born on Valentine's Day and I begged him to call

[Speaker 2]
him Valentine but I I lost neither of us were on the committee all right

[Speaker 1]
here's a small debate five lines wait wait before you do before you say tendril I'd like Nick to drive the plane conkey such a nominee key no water cure a pump or young love to me to cure a ming so Kangroo Kangroo he can keep and now keep sending Sam good okay not bad let's get it this is a definition an attempted definition let's get what are we defining let's go to the end and see what's he trying to define this is the definition of the link okay right of the link which is either say he's he's trying to get out of the problem no which is either name or form and which is a member of the 12 links okay that's his definition I looked it up yesterday so no I was always said it wrong apparently it's the Finney end them yeah there is the Finney end them I looked it up because I was trying to get straight okay the thing that he's defining in in normal English in logic they call the Finney in the definition and definitely in the word okay and don't use it in a restaurant shopping right you'll get a cauliflower pizza someone told me there's a cauliflower pizza cauliflower dr.

Wu made us a ginseng pizza oh my god that was awesome but cauliflower I don't think so okay okay so he tried to change it let's see if it works obviously it doesn't work yeah okay wrong you its cause is as far as a single revolution or something I don't know well I still not sure what we're gonna call it relative to one turning of the wheel relative to one the chip all right one good shape it doesn't have anything to do with one it just is it's just an idiom that means relative to or with regard to okay oh yeah sure okay so relative to a single turning of the wheel okay its cause is it's a jadu resulting time meaning this wheel turned and then this wheel started okay like this wheel one and two started and then this wheel started okay so it's a result of the first wheel it's already talking about in a second resulting consciousness which resulted from what the second link in the past life which was the which picture yeah the guy making pots in the past life and now we have a resulting consciousness jadu kingdom she okay tendel so okay that link is finished link number three has finished which number three the one which is the cause of link number four wrong you well which which link is that it's the resulting consciousness why do you say resulting consciousness because it itself is a result of the making parts of the path line got it so link number three described ten different ways is done so okay comma now and wrong day link number that we're defining link number four is the result which is link number five hasn't come yet madhub call before it came before it came the link number five hasn't come yet link number three is finished guess what we're defining got it okay tender my troop this true past tense hasn't happened yet it's future but in even in English we use the past tense hasn't happened yet okay and this means before this word is called for Chinese people because coma means the Emperor of China yeah the big guy hi guy okay but here it means above and it means before okay okay so before its result which is the fifth link which is the link of the doors of sense okay sense passes there's a sense then don't what's the picture yeah empty houses yeah okay keep getting on my doom Kong day what's its essence what's the nature of this link what's it made of it's a subject in no man good it's an impure ripening okay it's an impure ripening by the way every right being in the wheels and I mean the whole wheel is messed up sake the whole wheel is such a you know that's your sake is I'll be Dharma language okay not making more more trip I means its essence is okay combo I think you have to say heaps yeah you have to be plural it has to be plural right because we're talking about the mind and body and I'm really into nowadays calling the five heaps mind and body where I can because it's so much easier for Westerners you know to just call it mind and body the five heaps like it the readers mind always slows down there the readers mind always stick there they have to stop and think what's five heaps or they just ignore it so where you can I propose using body in mind where it doesn't mess up the meaning okay and it's and it's a misnomer why body and mind is a

[Speaker 2]
misnomer well there's stuff in there what's not which is not body in mind

[Speaker 1]
which is like Stanley or your or your seeds right okay okay yeah right yeah okay should send you can then send to give me music okay so what's wrong with his definition God knows I mean he worked really hard to say a thing if there's a criticism it's just too thorough it's too long okay but he's trying to cover his room you know he's trying to say the dude okay you okay with my definition now apparently is something wrong with it here we go go word has to claim Kill him, kill him, kill him. You're zero for four so far.

Yeah, I know. I'm bad. Maybe just go in the middle.

That's bad. It's the definition. Is it sarcastic?

Is it sarcastic? He just gave a definition. We are proposing a counter-example.

So will it be sarcastic or not? Always sarcastic. Good goes down.

Are you telling me...

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Zenny... Zenny...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I like to cut these out. It's actually a different statement. When you fill in the other guy's comments, it's going to be a different statement.

All right. So, if we restrict ourselves to a single revolution, or a single part of a revolution, let's take the Miki Keichei Kitenda. Miki Keichei Kitenda.

So, which link is Keichei? Say Ngapa Keichei. Ngapa Keichei.

Shiba Mingsun. Ngapa Keichei. Shiba Mingsun.

Okay, so we're talking about Ngapa Keichei. There's lots of Keicheis. We're talking about the I.

The I. The I power. Which technically, according to Amida Dharma, is the cells at the back of the eye.

Okay? Keichei Kitenda Chöchen. Are you...

Does it fit your definition? Sunja. Sorry.

Is it what you're defining? Is it what you're defining? What's he defining?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
He's defining Mingsun. He's defining the fourth link. He's defining the fourth link.

And we say, Oh, okay. So let's take the Keichei, which is the fifth link, okay, of your eye. Oh, I guess it's Mingsun.

The link, okay. Of course there's an I in the womb to some extent. But then he said, as a link.

He said Tenda, as a link. Let's take this Keichei as a link, okay. I guess it's the fourth link, right?

Why do you say that? Your definition fits it. Got it?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
You ready? Oh, so I guess the fifth link is the fourth link, right? He's like, why do you say that?

It fits your definition of the fourth link. Got it? Okay.

So the fifth link is the fourth link, and we're back to 11 links in the real life. Okay, got it? Got it?

Semi-danger. Now, here he disagreed that this definition fits the eye, the Keichei of the eye, the door of sense of the eye, as a link. He says, my definition doesn't fit it.

We say, yeah, it does. Look again at the Chichen. What's the Chichen?

Here's Chichen. Just tell me what comes before it. Yeah, the link of the sense power of the eye.

Okay? Yeah, don't tell me it doesn't fit your definition. It's the link of the eye power of the power of the eye.

It does fit your definition. Does it fit his definition? Yeah.

... Has consciousness stopped? Is the link of consciousness fulfilled by the time you have this eye?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so far it fits the definition. ... Has its result, the doors of sense, not yet occurred?

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
No, it has, because we're talking, first one, we're talking a single time.

[Speaker 2]
Got it?

[Speaker 1]
This one triggers this one, triggers this one. Usually three lifetimes, to finish a whole twelve. Okay?

So he's talking about the eye that was in the first one. Because while you're collecting karma, at step number two, you got an eye. Got it?

But that's not the Miki Keche Ki Tendrel. That's just a Miki Keche, right? No, it is its own tendrel, but it's the resulting tendrel of the zero of tsar.

Got it? Every tsar has twelve. But two of them belong to the path life, and two of them belong to the next life.

Okay? Cool? So you always have an eye while you're collecting karma.

Okay? Got it?

[Speaker 2]
All right. So are you saying that a tsar cheek is going to be three lives?

[Speaker 1]
Do I want to say that? I think you can say that. Okay?

But they have to relate to each other. You see what I mean? Third tsar, third of a tsar, third of a tsar, third of a tsar.

How's that? Let's try that. Right.

[Speaker 2]
Unless the next cup's a success, you can't do that.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Yeah. Okay?

Got it? Okay. Now, this is really controversial.

Short and controversial. Go ahead. Do you mean your te?

Yeah. Nice. I like your te.

You didn't say te. Te re, re ne, ma yin, te chi. Re re ne ma yin means, it's neither one.

Re re ne ma yin means, it's neither one. Re re means each, right? But when you say it negatively, with a ne, it means it's neither one.

It is neither one. It is neither of those. We do it in English also.

Ne. Okay. Neither what or what?

Name and... Good. It's neither name nor form.

Is it neither name nor form? Is it true it's neither name nor form?

[Speaker 2]
It's form. Yeah, we think it's form.

[Speaker 1]
Is it in the womb?

[Speaker 2]
Uh, no. No. We just said it was.

[Speaker 1]
Not really. It's fifth link.

[Speaker 2]
It's fifth link.

[Speaker 1]
No, you can't have the fifth link in the womb, apparently. Fifth link is also defined by period. It's not just all keches.

It's keches out of the womb. Okay? So it is neither the ming in the womb, nor the suk in the womb.

Always in the womb. As a link. Yeah.

Don't try to trick me.

[Speaker 2]
Isn't this day referring to our ten and the previous?

[Speaker 1]
This day refers to miki keche kitendra. Okay. But relative to a single tsar.

Okay. Relative to a single tsar. Somehow that's important.

Okay, good luck. Let's go on. If we don't clearly understand something, it's good to go on.

Hey, who's got the plane? Birgitta, you got the plane? Come on, give him a hard time.

If he says suk, for example. Instead of souk. Souk.

Souk. Yeah, now. Where did we have this yesterday?

Something had a dependent relationship. Cause and effect dependent relationship. Whose text was it?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
They had a tendrel.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Yeah, right, right. Right, right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. If a coffee cup has a dependent relationship with all working things, then in a place where there's no coffee cup, there are no working things. Okay, got it?

So he's equivocating. He's jumping to another meaning of tendrel. So far we have two meanings.

What are they?

[Speaker 2]
All the names. All the names.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, dependent origination is a concept. And then a link of dependent origination is also called pratityasamudbhada. Say pratitya.

Pratitya. Samudbhada. Samudbhada.

Samudbhada means to grow up like similar to... What's his name? Paramartha Samudgata.

Yeah, and then...

[Speaker 2]
An individual link.

[Speaker 1]
An individual link. And now it's Adam's meaning, from Adam's text. Yeah, which means a dependent relationship.

Okay, so three meanings of pratityasamudbhada. So he's throwing one in here. Okay?

Sukhi tendrel yena?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
This tendrel doesn't mean what? Good. Doesn't mean link.

I believe so far. I may be wrong. But I think it says, let's take a dependency involving some form.

Let's take a dependency involving some material thing. Okay? Does it have to be a tendrel as a link?

Are all dependencies involving physical stuff a link in the Wheel of Life?

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. They're called tendrel, but they're tendrel in his sense. Tendrel...

There was another word in there. Tendrel ki... gyu?

[Speaker 2]
Look it up!

[Speaker 1]
Hey, never go to a fight without a knife. That's an old joke.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry. Oh, you've got four minutes.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Sukhi tendrel yena? If it's a dependency involving matter, it must be a dependency as a link of matter as a link in the Twelve, as a member of the Twelve.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
And we say, he says, kya! Must be. Okay?

Which is always wrong. Then... Now, what's going to happen next?

What's going to happen next? What normally happens next? Someone says, kya!

And he's wrong. What happens next?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
You give a counterexample. That's all. You just say, oh!

Well, I guess fish are dependent origination. I guess fish are a link in dependent origination. Right?

Yeah. Okay. So we're expecting maybe even a sarcastic I mean, if it was me, I'd be sarcastic.

Or him, be super sarcastic. But, let's see. But just expect a counterexample.

Something that doesn't fit his khyabha. And then we destroy his khyabha. It takes him a while to figure it out.

It usually takes him three or four lines. You know, oh! Let's take fish.

Yeah. Okay. Let's take fish.

Yeah, I guess it's matter, right? Yeah, it's matter. Yeah, I guess it's dependent origination link, right?

Yeah. Okay, like, it always goes like that. It always goes like that.

Okay, he's always like slower than us.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
All right, here we go. Not a B. Not an English B.

Make some sound here. Like when she cooks something really good. Are you looking it up?

Because I'm going to offer some money if you're not.

[Speaker 2]
I didn't look up anything. I looked up Adam. We got it.

[Speaker 1]
What was it, by the way?

[Speaker 2]
Kheer kheer. Kheer kheer. Then there was a tendril, actually, too.

Kheer dong tendril.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, good. All right, keep going. I'm excited.

I'm going to make some money. Yeah, sometimes they don't put a comma because it's like der thal dey cheer. He doesn't even have time to say it.

Buh buh buh. Tak sel la. La means, come on, this one's easy.

Tak means the reason. Sel means the drup dey cheer in a telngur.

[Speaker 2]
The thing to be disproved, actually. You see what I mean? It flips.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, you're telling me. Okay, got it. That's called a sel la.

It's not called a drup dey cheer. Okay, got it. And I've never seen a discussion of the parts of a telngur.

And I've been looking for them and I can't find it. Okay, anyway. This is a hundred dollars.

And you have had it. Especially Dr. Wu has had it. And I think I'm safe.

Tell me what is long ku utra pungwa tar nak. I'll give you a clue. It comes from a scripture.

It comes from the eighth chapter of a scripture. Okay, let's forget it. Not quite.

Not quite, no. It's one of the signs of a Buddha which we covered in extensively in Diamond Mountain. No, it's his hair in general.

It's this hair, okay. Which is defined as black as a bee's butt. I knew you wouldn't get it.

Black as the butt of a bee, okay. Pungwa means bee. Pungwa means...

Here it means bee. But the black color in a... So a Buddha normally has dark black hair.

Super black hair. Yeah, that's another problem. Okay, long ku...

So long ku means what? Somebody said nirmanakaya? Yeah, the body in the heaven.

The body in the heaven. Long chu dzokpe ku. Sam-bhoga-kaya.

[Speaker 2]
Right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I know. Now, why does it say utra?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, on his head? The hair on his head?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good, but it's honorific for hair. You don't say ta to a Buddha. You don't say ta to a lama.

[Speaker 2]
You say uta, like uta.

[Speaker 1]
Like uta sharp. What's the fill? What's the non-honorific?

Sorry, what's this one called? Pu. Yeah, puto.

I say puto. Okay, this is pu.

[Speaker 2]
This is ta.

[Speaker 1]
And don't confuse it with da, which means sound. That's why I have to say da correctly. Da means sound.

Ta means hair, head hair. This is body hair. Pu, pu, okay?

So let's take ... By the way, nak here means ebony. It's not just nakpo.

It's got an extra G. It makes it blacker. Yeah, it makes it blacker.

Like super black. Okay, super black. Okay, pu wan tar nak.

Super black. Super black. Like a beef pot.

Okay. Why did he take this example? Why is this a counterexample?

What was the argument?

[Speaker 2]
Let's go back.

[Speaker 1]
Let's go back. It's certainly not in the Wheel of Life. He's standing outside the wheel going like this.

Okay, with his black hair. Okay. Okay, got it?

So, is he a tendrel? Is the hair a tendrel? Yeah, it's dependently arising.

Is it one of the twelve links? Is it in the wheel? Yeah.

So not all form. It's the link of form. Okay, got it?

Taktsal lam is, come on, just give it up, man. Let's not go through this suffering of you disagree to the reason, and then you disagree to the Tao, and you say duh. Let's not go there.

Dare tell means, you're not going to say it is in the Wheel of Life. Just don't say duh, okay? Let's not go through this suffering.

And don't say dharma duh, because it is physical. It did arise from causes. That's like studying right now.

Let's just call it a day. Let's go to the next Kajin. Okay?

So taktsal lam means easy. Come on, this is easy. Even you can figure it out.

Don't make me go through it. Don't say dharma duh. Don't say duh na.

Let's just leave it, okay? If you can't get it, you know, go have a coffee. Got it?

Taktsal lam is like, come on, this is easy. Tak dang selwa labo. The reason is easy, right?

It grew from causes. It's a dependent origination. Sel means, don't say duh, that it's in the Wheel of Life.

The selwa is the tell. Yeah, don't say duh na, come on. That's easy.

It's not in the Wheel of Life. Got it? Taktsal lam.

The hard thing here is sel. You look it up in the dictionary, it says clear. Guang...

Guang... Guangyao. Guangyao, right?

Clear light, yeah. Guangyao, right? No?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, sorry. Shining light. Light shining.

[Speaker 1]
No, it means the same. Like utsel, means clear light. Like this, we call it.

Anyway, okay. Thank you. Thank you.