Классика Алмазного огранщика: Нижний Срединный путь — Анализ зависимости, занятие 30

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Yeah, no bread or sugar. No bread. Bread and rice aren't good.

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Even croissant doesn't have sugar. No, croissant doesn't have any sugar.

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See, it all vents away from him. Nick and Tim have been working on it for a couple of weeks.

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And downstairs also. So, I'm going to try.

[Speaker 1]
There's no air coming out of that one, right? Okay.

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We're sending it out.

[Speaker 1]
So, we have a new air conditioning system. And I'd like to thank Tim and Nick for working on it. It sends the air away from people.

And then that's not air conditioner. That takes the air back outside. So, the air doesn't come out of that one.

It goes into that one. Okay, got it? But if anyone's uncomfortable, let me know.

Because I don't want people to get sick like last time. Last time everybody was sick, I think. But it's going to get hot in about ten minutes.

It's going to get hot in about ten minutes, because all this... Your show, when the... When the victim comes back.

Okay, welcome to session number six. Congratulations on your work this break. We're up to 2,478 pages of translations.

And they're high quality. And I'm very proud of everybody. They're really high quality.

And now every book looks like a book. Before they looked like a pamphlet. But they're getting thicker and thicker.

We couldn't do it without Dr. Wu's help. I'm not going to tell you how much he's paying per page, but it's a lot. And Nick would like to make a presentation.

Wait, what's that?

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Is that the two copies? You can put them on your shelves.

[Speaker 1]
One copy is for downstairs.

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But there's another, that's one copy.

[Speaker 1]
That's one copy, oh my god. It's one copy. But we print one side so it looks bigger.

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Oh my god.

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This is very good for your luggage.

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He said he has a bookshelf in his new house.

[Speaker 1]
He's going to need many bookshelves. Where's Dr. Wu's? It's in there somewhere.

[Speaker 2]
It looks good now.

[Speaker 1]
I mean, it's substantial now. Yeah, and it's nice. Dr. Wu's book is really nice. It's a very clear list of karmas. I have another present for Dr. Wu. The German team is translating both Choney Lama commentaries.

And they finished, for dessert, they finished ACI course 3 in German. So we'd like to offer that. And that's Birgitta and her team.

So I'd like to thank Birgitta.

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In English it's about this big.

[Speaker 1]
It's in German. Well, German has these long words. This was printed in Nepal.

For our new Sanskrit entry. We have a new Sanskrit entry project there. I believe the most new Sanskrit books we will find are in Nepal.

In other Sanskrit scripts, like Nuwari. So the best chance we have of finding more Sanskrit is in Nepal. And we just opened a center there.

Vimala and Christina went there, right? Oh, and Noor. Which is kind of cool, because she's from a Muslim country.

And they printed this in the Nepal team. This is the Heart Sutra commentary. Yeah, yeah.

But I believe that now it will mushroom to many countries. The Spanish team is working on the commentaries. And I know the Arabic team is going to be on it.

And the French team, which is in the same body. Right, Hasso, Spanish? Yeah, yeah.

Not a few words, but the right ones. And there's some language called Basa, Basa. Basa, in Indonesia.

And they're working on it. Some husband and wife team. In their spare time.

They have nothing else to do.

[Speaker 2]
Masters of the lower Middle East.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, I had a... You know, I sent all your books to a small group of people. I sent all your translations to a small group of people who were helping.

And the response was so excited. Even though everything's online for free. I thought we should have a little program where we send something out once a week.

You know, or every two weeks. And we could build up a mailing list, email list. Because I got responses from all over the world.

And people were very excited. And you know, it's all online, but they're too lazy to look at it. They don't know.

So I can start giving it to... Who wants to coordinate an email? And then I'll send you the people's emails.

I got a lot of emails. I sent out like 15, 20 people. And then I got 50 people, you know, came back to me in a few days.

So, I think that's really cool. If you get a book of the week or something. Or every two weeks or something.

And you just send it to them and say, read it. I tell people, read it in the toilet. Because they have time, you know.

Which is kind of disrespectful. Rinpoche didn't really approve when I did that. But I think it'd be exciting to send out a book every two weeks or something.

And we can do it. Because they're coming out every two weeks. And we are rotating.

It's too much now to edit in the time I have. Because I don't get it until six weeks after the term. So now I just edit three or four people's work.

And then I'll rotate. So like your work didn't get edited. But I'll rotate.

So we did Utpala and Dr. Wu and Seiji. And my books. I do my books before I get your...

In the six weeks that you're working, I do mine. And then we'll rotate like that. All right.

Now you want me to send... Whose texts? Is it Stanley?

Just to you, Utpala? And you'll put it up? Is that right?

Okay. So let me do that. Oh, and Sugeng taught some beautiful classes in Bali on his texts.

And it was very cool. And he did a very nice PPT. He did a very nice presentation.

And people were really happy. People were really happy compared to the first time he taught. Dr. Wu told me the best thing for Chinese people is confuse them. And then they think it's profound. So the first time he taught it, he did it that way. But the second time, everyone was...

PPT. They call it PowerPoint.

[Speaker 2]
In China they call it PPT. It's like the PPT.

[Speaker 1]
Are you starting with some other PP?

[Speaker 2]
Maybe.

[Speaker 1]
Stanley, right? I'm sorry I'm so slow today.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so... Hang on. Sugeng.

Remember... Okay, I think it's going to... Now...

Scriptorian monitor, right?

[Speaker 2]
Yep.

[Speaker 1]
Uh... Where are we going? You can see all my emails.

Let's not do that. I get 12 emails from Creighton, bro.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, but sometimes I want something.

[Speaker 1]
Let's see. We're still looking for a woodblock.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, no, we found it.

[Speaker 1]
We did? Yeah. Oh, wow.

We did?

[Speaker 2]
We switched and then we re-embedded it.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, we have to confirm that one reading. So I'll show it to you. I'll tell you right now, okay?

You find it. Good luck. This reading I need...

On the old woodblock, it was... A folio 7A. Okay?

Front side of folio 7. I think. Yeah.

A front side of folio 7. And, uh... I need, uh...

You can look for this wording. Takumachi-chin.

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How about prayers?

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Say again?

[Speaker 2]
How about prayers?

[Speaker 1]
Not bad.

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Okay.

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Would you like to help? Thank you. Thank you.

Chö nam sok gi chok nam la Cha chö par du dak ni dak su chi Dak gi chö myen gi pe sön nam ki Dro la pen chö sang gi drubar cho Shmuky duky. So you guys got that, what you're looking for, right? On the old scan?

On the new scan? These words. Tagunga Chichen.

Or this paragraph is what I need.

[Speaker 2]
It's up here in the...

[Speaker 1]
And in the old version, it was on folio 7A. So it should be close in the new version.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay? That's the paragraph I need. Okay.

To make a decision about how to translate it. All right. I checked your progress.

We're doing pretty good. So we're on schedule. So you're all pretty much on schedule.

Yeah. Some are ahead of schedule. Okay.

Whenever you're ready. Let me expand that. Okay.

And how do I get the cursor preferences? And then it's weird, right? You're right.

And cursor size.

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I'm a big cursor. Where is it?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
It's in... Text and working drafts, GMO versions. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
All right, handsome. Everybody's like, yes. Who has the plane?

Oh, you have the plane. I have the watermelon juice. Okay.

The only word that's going to be hard for you guys to hear is... It's tsar. Okay.

So tsar, in colloquial Tibetan, means finished, you know? Tsar song means, did you make the momos? They say, yeah, tsar song.

So tsar means I finished. But in scriptural language, it means a single time. Like lenshik, similar to lenshik.

Okay. So one round of the wheel. You see?

In the idea that we have multiple wheels going on at the same time. You see what I mean? So really, the wheel of life has three parts.

And they're not going on at the same time, right? One and two are past life, what you did. Three through eight, three through ten are what you did in this life.

And then eleven and twelve are what's going to happen if you do it in this life. So now we have a question about, are one and two happening at the same time as eleven and twelve? Or is three happening at the same time as eleven?

What's three? What's three?

[Speaker 2]
Consciousness.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, what's four?

[Speaker 2]
Name and form.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, meaning you in the womb. So isn't that eleven? Which is rebirth.

You see what I mean? So, or are we talking different tsars? Are we talking different sets?

You see what I mean? So relative to one wheel going on, that's called sartik. So it's easy to say that there can be an eleven on the next tsar.

You know, there can be a rebirth that comes next time. But, you see what I mean? So really there's three wheels going on that are interconnected.

The karma, the misunderstanding in the karma you collect in this life, triggers a rebirth of your consciousness in the womb, along with, which is number four. So that's in the next life. But then everything goes on and you reach number ten, where you're triggering the karma again.

And then eleven is a rebirth in the third wheel. So it's like gears, you know? So sartik means, let's limit ourselves to the first third.

Let's limit ourselves. Because in any particular lifetime, you have all three going on, but relative to different cycles. Maybe you could call it one cycle or something.

So sartik means one. Let's limit ourselves to one lifetime. But still you're going to have all three parts.

But they're going to be relating to different lifetimes. Got it? It's like gears in a machine.

So it's a beautiful debate. And never forget that if you're confused, which you are right now, that what the other guy says is always wrong. So it's kind of comforting that he's always wrong.

So you can say, okay, they are not tu minyam. What's tu minyam? Yeah, good.

They are not not at the same time. Yeah, because he said they are not at the same time. So he's always wrong.

So they are not not at the same time. So they are at the same time. What's at the same time?

Tell me two things. Yeah, good, good. Link three and link eleven.

Okay, wang du chen po means with regard to or relative to a single cycle. He says they cannot be at the same time. Three and eleven.

They cannot be at the same time. He says, yeah, ser, he claims. Ser is always he claims, right, especially in the Abhidhamma.

Okay, cool. All right, let's see if his towels got lost in Bali. By the way, Bali is overrated.

I'd go to Senegal. It's a curveball city. Okay.

Denyampartow.

[Speaker 2]
Yay!

[Speaker 1]
I don't know. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are.

Three and eleven can happen at the same time in one cycle, relative to one cycle. Leng yin gi yang si du nang su nyi chen jar ma tak tu. Tak tu yang si du kewa lengpe chir.

Lengpe chir? Leng. Lengpe.

Yeah, lengpe chir. Okay. Denyampartow.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, they can be together.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they can be at the same time. Tu nyam, right? Tu nyam.

Tu nyam. Yeah. Mr. Wu and I were studying Nyamnyin Yeshe, which is one of the five wisdoms of a Buddha, which is called equal wisdom. And it's the purification of one or five heaps. I think it's... I forget which one.

But anyway, you see all things as equal. And it comes from the karma of treating people equally, before you become a Buddha. So that's the most famous use of nyam.

So yeah, there are two nyam. They are occurring at the same time in a single cycle. Because leng yin gi...

What's that mean? Leng yin gi...

[Speaker 2]
By the power of the karma and the negative emotions.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, somebody... Don't give me mental afflictions. Don't give me sentient beings, okay?

Somebody gave me sentient beings yesterday. His name was NL. Okay.

Okay, I mean, how do you decide... If someone complains about sentient beings, which I just did, what do you do to prove that you're right or wrong? Nowadays you can just ask Google.

Somebody do it. How many hits on sentient beings? How many hits on living beings?

They'll all be Buddhists, but still they'll be... I predict they won't be more than 10% of one's living beings.

[Speaker 2]
Sentient being gets 12,700,000...

[Speaker 1]
Okay, sentient being got 12 million. Immediately Buddhist.

[Speaker 2]
Human being got 4 billion.

[Speaker 1]
Living being, whoa... 3 billion, 4 billion. 4 billion, we'll call it.

[Speaker 2]
And it does not start Buddhist. But less than human being. A billion less than human being got.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, but not all living beings in our translation are human beings. I know, but it's serious. Okay, yeah, well that's a prejudice of human beings.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, leng yin gi...

[Speaker 1]
Which are your truth, leng yin?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, the truth of suffering. Source.

[Speaker 1]
Source, it's the source. The truth of the source of suffering is always divided into two. Karma and negative emotions, okay?

So due to the source of suffering, yang si... So you got to read yang si together. Next slide.

Yeah, it means a rebirth. Rebirth. Yang means again.

Si means existence. Rebirth. As into a new birth.

Yor nam she. Now the word yin sam is an idiom used for rebirth. And it means to...

I like to translate it as... No, it means make the crossing. It's called make the crossing.

Okay? Make the crossing into a new life. So sam...

Yor means to connect, right? Sam means border, like in to do a retreat. Sam.

And yin here is not spelled with an S. And it's an idiomatic kind of meaning, heart, essence of your life. Life, border, connecting.

Okay, yin, sam, yor. And it's always used in the Abhidharma for making the crossing. Out of the...

Out of the past life into the new life. Okay? It's an idiom, you should learn it.

It's not spelled with a snu. Okay? Alright?

And it's often misspelled. But anyway, yin sam... Ma tak tu is an idiom you know.

Right at that time? Yeah, right after that. Right after that.

Okay? This is tak, for those of you who can't say tak. So, if you do this sentence, you'll be okay.

But R-T-A-G, I never want to hear tak. This is tak. So different, different word.

This is tak. And R-T-A-G is tak. Okay?

And don't give me tak for tak. Because it changes the meaning. Okay?

Got it? So this is... And you have to read it as ma tak tu.

Ma tak tu. Just after. The next moment.

Okay? Ma tak tu means the next moment. Yang si du kye wa lang.

You take your birth into a new life. You take your birth into a new life. Okay?

Why does that prove tu nyam? Sugen. What are the two things we're trying to prove can be simultaneous?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Third link. Consciousness entering the womb. And eleventh link.

Rebirth. So rebirth here is kye wa. Yang si du kye wa.

And then nam she is here. And it's the thing that's crossing into the new life. Making the crossing.

So he said, yeah, they're always the same. Are they tsar chik? Do they relate to the same wheel?

To the same revolution? No, the premise... No, the premise is it had to be tsar chik.

Okay, so apparently we believe in a single event of the wheel you can have three and eleven going on at the same time.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Right? Well, actually, the eleven came from the last wheel. Okay, yeah.

You've got to sit with that. You're the only person who's going to understand it. We trust you.

Okay? We'll let you understand it. We have our own stuff to understand.

Okay, here you go. Next debate. Khya chik na re.

De nyi mi ngel... Mingel. Mingel.

[Speaker 2]
Heavy prenasal.

[Speaker 1]
Why heavy prenasal? Open vowel. Open vowel before.

If it had been mik, ai, it wouldn't have been so strong. Mik, ngel. But this is mingel.

Like Ganden Monastery, right? That's the classic example. Those two are what?

Contradictory. Mutual exclusion. Well, they're not.

[Speaker 2]
No, they're not. They're mingel.

[Speaker 1]
He says, yeah, you can be one and still be the other. You can be a three of one sar and also be the eleven of one sar. They are not contradictory.

The three can be the eleven. And that's his... So he's wrong, right?

Which means the wrong look is... Yeah, no one thing can be the third and the eleventh at the same time. The classic example of gel from Adam's text in Kadokarma...

Good. Yeah. Yeah.

An orange juice cup, which can be all orange and all blue at the same moment, is gel. You know? So we're saying what about...

What are we saying about three and eleven?

[Speaker 2]
It cannot be the same thing.

[Speaker 1]
We say they are gel.

[Speaker 2]
They are gel.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, like orange and blue. All orange. You have to say all orange and all blue and then you have to say at the same moment.

Because it can change to blue if you leave it here for a couple of days. Okay? We can test it.

Got it? So what's the wrong look?

[Speaker 2]
That they cannot be the same. They can't be. Yeah, Shiva can't be gel.

[Speaker 1]
They have to be separate. They have to be separate entities and they cannot be each other. That gets more complicated.

Somehow the gel, the rebirth, cannot be the consciousness. Okay? Got it?

They can never be the same thing. But they're happening at the same time. See?

Got it? We believe they're happening at the same time in the same tsar.

[Speaker 2]
In the different tsar?

[Speaker 1]
The premise was Sarcik. Sarciki Wangdu Chenre. Okay, got it?

Not easy, but sexy. Not easy, but sexy. This is Buddhism.

Okay. Go ahead. Get your towel ready.

Think about it before you speak. I got all my liquids, Dr. Wu. But I'm all shaky.

He said they're not contradictory. So we have to come back with they are contradictory. Yeah.

Yes, they are. When she fights with you, her voice goes up. Yes, they are.

Of course they're contradictory. Well, contradictory is a tough word. You know.

Of course they cannot be one and the same thing at the same time. This means that. Okay?

Like blue and orange. Okay? All blue and all orange.

Okay, go. You got the plate still? Okay.

You got to make it sexy.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, those two are completely, have to be different things. Okay? The third link and the eleventh link have to be different things.

Because dedu means relative to the result time.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
Speaking only about the result time. Looking at a wheel from the point of view of it being a result of your past life's deeds. Okay?

Namsahe kutenda. If it's the third link of consciousness entering the womb, right? What is it?

Monkey entering, right? Something like that?

[Speaker 2]
I've never seen that picture.

[Speaker 1]
What's the picture for the third link? It is a monkey. There's two monkeys in the...

What's the other monkey?

[Speaker 2]
Number nine.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you're right. We got a couple monkeys. Anyway, dedu kutenda, you know?

Shepa yinpe kya.

[Speaker 2]
That's consciousness.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you can say consciousness. But nowadays I'm preferring to say it is conscious.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
Of the world, you know. You can say it has consciousness. But it's more powerful if you can...

When you prove that something is not mine in a Buddhist debate, what you're proving is it cannot be alive. It cannot be aware. Okay?

It doesn't have awareness. To say it doesn't have awareness is a little bit not as perfect. But somehow you have to say it doesn't know.

It doesn't know. You see? That's what it means.

Your finger cannot know. You see? It's not shepa.

Okay? All right. Shepa yinpe kya.

But it must know. Okay? De...

And I supplied for you what the de is. He's repeating dedu ki. Okay?

Meaning still talking about a resulting aspect. Kewitenda, you know? If something is the third link of birth of the monkey entering the womb, then the consciousness entering the womb.

Number, shepa, mayin.

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
It's not consciousness. It doesn't know. Why?

It's a dedu ki. It's a changing thing which is in mind or body. Right?

Remember this category? What's in there? Three things.

I'll be done with. Nick? No.

You can say that, maybe. As far as the five heaps. No, it's not space.

These are changing things.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry. Seeds.

[Speaker 1]
And topa. And matopa. Abhidharma system.

The impermanent, the changing thing which keeps a realization glued to you. It's called the belt. In the Abhidharma system.

Okay? That's also in Dhyamma-jiji. If you want to get technical.

Okay? Then there's a topa for the topa. No, but it's not infinite according to Abhidharma.

Okay. Okay, so anyway. Now, explain it to me.

Eleven is a? It's the condition of rebirth. It's rebirth.

It's being reborn. Okay. Number three is?

What does the rebirthing?

[Speaker 2]
The rebirther.

[Speaker 1]
The one who does the rebirthing. And you're just learning more and more about the wheel. But if you have the weapon of his text, Adam's text, which we're getting into the subjects in his text tomorrow or something.

He's trying to sensitize you to the difference between a demonduchi and a shepa. You know, a non-mental or physical changing thing. And...

I don't even like to call it mind. Knowing. Knowing.

You see what I mean? Awareness. Cool?

Okay. And so, link eleven is a condition. Not a state of mind.

And link three is? A state of mind. Cool?

So they are?

[Speaker 2]
Separate. In Tibetan.

[Speaker 1]
Mingyel. They are mingyel. Okay.

So you can't say, they're mingyel. Which is what he said. Which means, he feels one could be the other.

And we got feeling that way ourselves during the first debate, right? Didn't you? If you're saying with one tsar, eleven can be three, well then, it's kind of the same thing, isn't it?

And we're like, not exactly. One is knowing. One is the condition of rebirth.

They're gewa. Got it? Okay.

Cool. Sexy. This is where I'm...

You're happy that you studied DCI... What number? You're getting closer.

Oh, you're right.

[Speaker 2]
Seven. Seven.

[Speaker 1]
No. Touching the Diamond World.

[Speaker 2]
Emptiness.

[Speaker 1]
We went to the chart. That chart took me like five hours in the car because I don't know how to use the program. Okay.

It's a mind map thing. And then they sent me emails every day since then. And then I gave a talk with the guy, right?

The owner. Okay. All right.

Here we go. Go. Pachink Nare Ranggyu Tanvel Sarkjit Ki Waang Tu Chepe Namche Kipendrel Sop Che Su Yung Kueh Ming Suk Kangroong Tumik Taa Yen Lak Chuni Kinak Sen Du Gyeur We've got three people correcting you.

[Speaker 2]
All we're saying, not English D's or G's.

[Speaker 1]
Good. So, first of all, let's go to the end. He's giving a definition.

He's claiming something is a definition. Okay? That's the first part.

The other important word here, crucial word here, is nangtsen. And it means a...

[Speaker 2]
A group?

[Speaker 1]
It means a member of a group. A member of a group. Okay?

So, it's a difficult word. It's sometimes misspelled as M-T-S-A-N. Because M-T-S-A-N is so common.

Maotsanatsen. Right? So, maotsanatsen means name.

You see it everywhere. So, people correct this often. And they're wrong.

Okay? Like when they correct my work. So, nangtsen means member of a group.

Okay? Member of what group? One of the links?

One of the twelve links. That twelve links is the group. Nangtsen is the member of the group.

What he means to say is, I'm not giving you the definition of name and form. I'm giving you the definition of name and form as a link in the wheel. As a link in the wheel.

And there's a big difference. Right? You have to say, as a link in the wheel.

Got it? Okay? Yenlaichunikin nangtsen thug gyurpa.

Which is, right? Gyurpa is an adjectival clause. Which is.

It's always which is. Okay? When it's past tense.

Okay? When it's future tense, to become. Right?

Which is a component in the twelve links. Okay? The name and form.

This dendel, someone want to take a shot?

[Speaker 2]
Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Say it again. Louder. Yeah.

Very difficult. Very confusing. The whole wheel is called dependent origination.

Dendel. But, in philosophical literature, dendel also means one of the links. And it's extremely confusing.

Okay? So, but when they say ming tsuki dendel, it's got to mean that. Okay?

The link of name and form. But it's confusing. It's really confusing.

By the way, what's the form here? When you say name and form? The other four heaps.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Got it? It's mainly mental and then demoduche heaps.

Okay? Got it? So, he's going to attempt to define the link of name and form.

Got it? And don't translate this as dependent origination. Okay?

You'll get confused. Okay. Now we can go to what he's saying.

But what he claims to be doing is defining the fourth link. Okay? And these debates are going to...

We're at the ta chupa, which means we're debating finer points. We're going to go through links in order. Okay?

And then we're going to reach wrong loop. Okay? We'll reach our own system.

Rang gi dendel sarjiki wandu chepa. Now you guys can tell me what that means. I'll give you the first part.

Relative to... The same cause of the link in one... Yeah.

One realm, one will. Relative to a single cycle, let's call it. Relative to a single cycle.

Its cause. If we're talking about the fourth link, what's the rang gi? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Got it?

Its cause, which is nam shek gi tendrel. What's that mean? Nice.

Nice. He didn't say the dependent origination of consciousness. Okay?

Here tendrel means the link.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
What about the link that just came before it? It has already dzog.

[Speaker 2]
It finished.

[Speaker 1]
So he's defining link four. The first phrase he's used to define link four is, it comes after link three. Okay?

It comes after link three is finished. Link three is finished, but the link three, which is its cause, Okay? All right?

It's finished. And it jesu chung. Past tense.

[Speaker 2]
It happened.

[Speaker 1]
It arose. Jesu. After that cause.

The thing that happens after the third link is finished is the fourth link. Okay? Okay.

Got it? Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
We don't agree though.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. By the way, the definition is wrong somehow. Okay.

That's inconvenient.

[Speaker 2]
Well, how are you going to say knowing stuff ended?

[Speaker 1]
Say again?

[Speaker 2]
How is he going to say knowing stuff ended? Like, somehow nam she stopped before you could have...

[Speaker 1]
Well, you could go like that, but it's deeper than they want to go. I mean, that's how a Diamond Mountain person would go from the old days. You know, does the wind ever touch the leaves?

Uh... That came from my three-year interview. Yeah.

Okay. Go. Think about your tells before you start.

Stall. Stall. That's a big principle in debate.

Stall. Oh, look at the moon tonight. And then I cringe and...

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Look at the moon tonight. You've got to help him out. Look how blue the sky is.

Mars was out last night.

[Speaker 2]
I don't think so, because he added the...

[Speaker 1]
In the south, right? This is just to...

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, well, tepa means appropriate or good.

[Speaker 1]
So it's not appropriate. Or look how clever you are. Okay.

Good. Yay. You got a 50% chance.

Mithayatha. That's completely wrong. That's totally wrong.

Te means correct. Mithayatha. By the way, teka means straight.

And in Tantra, when you study Tantra, it means on the horizontal plane of the chakras. Okay. Nyingikorlute.

Korlute.

[Speaker 2]
The elliptical chakra.

[Speaker 1]
On that level. So that's te. It can mean straight.

So that's what it means. Mithayabhadra. Now, here's a controversial statement if I ever saw one.

[Speaker 2]
That's not the definition. Because that's not the definition.

[Speaker 1]
No, meh.

[Speaker 2]
There is no definition. Because there is no definition.

[Speaker 1]
Nah. There ain't no definition in the Ling form.

[Speaker 2]
What?

[Speaker 1]
What? Okay. There's no such thing as a definition in the Ling form.

Who said that?

[Speaker 2]
We did.

[Speaker 1]
We did. By the way, if there's... He's going to come up in his text.

If a thing doesn't have a definition, it can't exist. It cannot exist.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
We got a problem here. Houston. You're wishing the time was over.

But it's not. No, it isn't. He's right.

He's right. Ah, come on. No, you have to let us.

What if we die in a car tonight?

[Speaker 2]
Let me tell you this, so you have the satisfaction of enjoying that we're going away. All right. All right.

It won't be simultaneous to Shepa, so who cares?

[Speaker 1]
Ah, by the way, then they proceed to misspell what I said. Oh. Okay.

So I'm not going to resolve it now, but I'll just tell you that the fourth link's name, technically, think of the name, not Mingzhu, not name and form, but Mingzhu Kangrung.

[Speaker 2]
What's suitable to be called name and form?

[Speaker 1]
Kangrung. Either or.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, either or.

[Speaker 1]
So that's my clue to you. That's my clue to you. The name of the link is not name and form.

It's name or form. Something like that. No, it's got to be or in this case, because you cannot define it with a single definition.

[Speaker 2]
Hey.

[Speaker 1]
What's the date today, 14? Do your thing. Ah, yeah, yeah.

Well, it's good to have you back.