Классика Алмазного огранщика: Нижний Срединный путь — Анализ зависимости, занятие 28

[Speaker 1]
Prakṛti-sūkhi-juśrī-kṣetotraṁ prīrābhiṁ śrī-yende jaya-bhādi prakṛti-sūkhi-juśrī-kṣetotraṁ prīrābhiṁ śrī-yende jaya-bhādi jokulaṇḍa śrīmaja-pākṣaṁ hīlāṁ guru-rādhā-mandala-kaṁye yathā yāmi saṅge chṛdaṁ sakhi-janaṁ lā janju-pāda-dhāni-jāsuci dhāgi-cañjenga-dīpe-sanāṅgi dhvala-bhēṅchir saṅge duḥpāśau saṅge chṛdaṁ sakhi-janaṁ lā janju-pāda-dhāni-jāsuci dhāgi-cañjenga-dīpe-sanāṅgi dhvala-bhēṅchir saṅge duḥpāśau saṅge chṛdaṁ sakhi-janaṁ lā janju-pāda-dhāni-jāsuci dhāgi-cañjenga-dīpe-sanāṅgi dhvala-bhēṅchir saṅge duḥpāśau Smokity-dokity. You're up.

I'm not. How do you feel?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Somebody didn't write his things yesterday.

[Speaker 2]
Someone didn't write his speech?

[Speaker 1]
His questions. Okay, let us start. How many ways can we divide the second ling by its essence?

Which is, again, the second ling. No talking during class, okay? And what are they?

Three. Three, and what are they?

[Speaker 2]
Merit, non-virtue, non-shifting.

[Speaker 1]
Virtue, non-virtue, and unshifting. Which is always a good comma. What are the classic examples of each?

The first two in the disarama. The first two in the disarama. The first two in the disarama, yeah.

The last two now. The last one is the last two. So, specifically, those which project the body and mind as a result of karma in the higher birth in the three disaramas, those which throw the body and mind as a karmic ripening in the lower birth of the three disaramas, and those which throws the body and mind as a result of ripening in the birth in the two higher realms.

What are the typical features of the second ling, which is the first karma? Pretty standard. Pretty standard, actually.

It's just a common thing that we all know. It's caused by the first one. Always either good or bad, never neutral.

And then there are things you give up forever, the path of seeing and the path of habituation. And finally, they are possessed by both, by aryas, non-aryas, and people from the three realms.

[Speaker 2]
That's a good distinction. Wait a minute. Oh, I see.

[Speaker 1]
Okay? Alright. Now the Tibetan ngo.

Essence. Essence.

[Speaker 2]
Essence. Kepak.

[Speaker 1]
Kepak. Aryas and non-aryas. Yeah, sosokhewa and pakpa.

Non-aryas, aryas. Pangja. Things you give up.

Pang. Pang. Pang.

Pang.

[Speaker 2]
Pangja. Pang.

[Speaker 1]
Pangja. Pangja means a bird in the lap. Something you give up.

Okay, that's all. Alright, sir. Alright then.

Oh, man. Just to review where we were. AYIN NAME GYI PHUNG PO'I PHAN CHOG GI LAS CHOD CHEN Consider the karma which is going to project the body and mind of a deva as a future maturation.

PANG CA MA YIN PA THAL No, it's not something we should give up or eliminate because it's good karma. Okay? Then it is good karma because it's what I said it is.

Which is a weak argument. DUR NA PANG CA YIN PA THAL YIN PA THAL CHOG GI LAS CHOD CHEN PANG CA YIN PA CHOS TZEN NA MA KHYAB Then the other guy says it is something we should stop doing because it's something that people who want to reach full liberation have to stop doing. Then we say MA KHYAB.

It's true, it's something that ultimately we want to reject. rebirth as a deva. Good karma.

Dirty good karma. But in the meantime, we need it. Okay?

We talked about it yesterday, for example. The path of accumulation. Collecting enough karma to hear someone teach you the pen.

But when you're learning the pen, you're misperceiving the pen. Okay? Something like that.

Did you have a question? You okay? Okay.

All right. So then he says the good karma that might make you reborn as a deva is not something to give up, ultimately speaking, or for a person who wants to reach liberation. Okay?

Then we say, and then, Adam, you got the plane. Make it more obviously instrumental. Yeah, then your listener knows it's the subject of the sentence.

Here comes another case of that. Here comes another one. It's not an English G.

It's a ka-ki-win-wang-ki. I disagree that the good karma that might take us to a deva's rebirth is something we should give up, ultimately, you know, in the end. Okay?

Then we say, It is true because, and the way he says it here, it's more obvious because he says le-nyin, which means what? Yeah, we have to give up karma and negative emotions, because those are the two parts of? Kunjun Dhamma.

The truth of the source. Okay? So, le, karma, is a pang chan, because it's part of Kunjun Dhamma.

It's part of the source of pain.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
Even good karma. Dirty good karma. So he tied it to Nyo-mong.

And then, you know, we kind of like, he gave him a bad friend, so he made him bad.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, black association. Exactly. Dru-dun-nyur-ki-ke-bu.

So, a person who aspires to liberation. Dun-nyur, right? Dun-nyur-ke-bu.

Subject of sentence, because it's ke-bi. Le-nyin-ki-wang-ki. Ha-ke-wa-len-pa-pong-guh.

They have to, guh, give up taking rebirth as a deva, through the power of, you know, meaning helplessly, meaning no choice, through their karma and negative emotions. Why? De-hai-kor-wa-pong-guh-be-chir.

What's that mean? He wants to escape the deva part of samsara. If you take the painting of the Wheel of Life, he wants to escape that upper corner.

Why? Okay, he has three reasons in a row. No, he wants to eliminate all parts of samsara.

Okay, all parts of samsara. So, he wants to eliminate the deva part of samsara. Okay, got it?

So, this tadak means all parts. Okay, all right. It's interesting, I mean, if you're a philosopher, that he calls the deva realm a samsara in itself.

You see, it's kind of, it's kind of interesting, you know. All right, we've got a new kachik. You've got the plane.

Kachik Nare, Chir-mi-yong-ki-sam-ten-tel-gyur-che-pa-la-ten-ne-ne-tsang-tu-ke-wa-len-pe-rup-che-ki-gyur-mi-yur-rong-pa-yin-che-wu-che-we. De-bu-che-we-nam-nin-ki-pung-po-pen-che-ki-myong-ge-ki-mi-yong-we-le-kyang-yin-pe-si-tun-pa-che-ten. Your last name, low tone.

Yeah, okay. There's two Chinese sha's.

[Speaker 2]
One is retroflex, right?

[Speaker 1]
And one you kind of put your tongue on the side tooth over here. Yeah, but this one's in the middle, the tongue's in the middle. Okay, anyway, kachik nare.

Chir-mi-yong. What's a chir-mi-yong? Not coming back to desire realm, but still in samsara.

Okay. Sam-ten means that deep meditation. Pel-gom.

Yeah, alternating. For example, in the lion's dance, we'll do pel-gom. And a pel-gom is a specific cause for kinds of higher rebirth, okay?

That mental flexibility, okay? It's like flying a plane. Okay, look what I can, I can flip it over, I can, it's, you know.

Okay, pel-gom. Che-pa-la-ten. By doing pel-gom, okay?

By doing pel-gom. You don't have to say relying on doing, okay? Just by doing that.

They create a cause which is going to create a rebirth in the ne-tsang. The five pure parts of the...

[Speaker 2]
Fourth level.

[Speaker 1]
Of the fourth level, sam-ten-shi-pa. Okay? Which has how many?

Five pure levels and how many impure levels? Yeah, good. Okay, so the fourth concentration level.

What does it correspond to in the lion's dance? Yeah, the sugar crystal, okay? There's two versions.

If you do it a certain way, you go to an arya's place. If you do it not so good, you go to a non-arya's place, okay? So since he's a chir-myong, he must be going to...

Yeah, the ne-tsang. He's headed for the ne-tsang. So he's made a karma which is going to throw him into the pure parts of the resulting parts of the fourth concentration level, which is the sugar crystal, okay?

Tsang de gyur. Tang, tang, tang, got a headache from this. But he already had, before he became a chir-myong, when he was still a so-so-kyewo, earlier in his life, let's say, before he started doing this directly and went further, he had already collected myo-ngen-kyin-ne, the karma that had to be experienced, which was going to throw the body and mind as a maturation, into je-bu-che, which is...

The highest level, number 12. Yeah, the highest normal non-arya level, in which of the four samtans? The fourth.

Still in the fourth, okay? So he was supposed to go to the third level of the fourth form realm result. But he worked hard.

He collected karma which is myo-ngen.

[Speaker 2]
Definitely.

[Speaker 1]
And it was myo-wa. But now he's headed for the ne-tsang instead.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, got it?

[Speaker 1]
Then this guy says, shi-tun-pa, that thing which is both unshifting and which is going to shift, that's what he's saying, okay? The karma which is going to shift, because he's going to go from a non-arya result to an arya result, okay? Let's take that, chun-chun.

[Speaker 2]
Shi-tun-pa, how do you mean?

[Speaker 1]
Both this and this, okay? It's both what and what? It's both shifting and never-moving.

Yeah, give me more detail. It's both shifting and never-moving. Non-arya level.

But he worked hard in his life and he changed it to shift to the five pure level, okay? So is it myo or not? That's a big question.

Have you passed route 12 on your way there? I don't think he's going to tell us right now. Can you do the basketball karma?

Now, when you translate it, be careful, because the ksena relates to both these paragraphs, okay? This is all a huge claim by the other guy. Both of these paragraphs are the other guy talking.

Okay, the other guy's talking. He said this, and I split it because it was so long. Okay, so let's take this karma that's going to throw him to the pure realms, and let's take this other karma which is unshifting and going to throw him not to the pure realms.

Myo-le... Did you do this part? Okay, good.

Wait, did you go tell, or did you go tell? He's going down. It's the other guy.

He's being sarcastic. Myo-le mayin batao. Okay.

Myo-le mayin batao. Myo-le... This is that inner city.

So I'm teaching you the... Once you get the pronunciation, then you go for the phrasing. Myo-le...

And then the other guy says, Oh, he's...Tibetan's really good. Ka-shik... It's like ye-be-che.

Okay. Ka-shik... And then you're like...

Breathe, and then you continue.

[Speaker 2]
Ka-shik...

[Speaker 1]
No. I mean, but... Because it comes after another syllable, its value changes slightly.

Okay. Since it's the second syllable to syllable word, its value changes slightly. Okay.

Ka-shik. Chi... Today's thing I'm bugging you about is instrumentals.

Yeah. There, finally, we got he said. Okay.

So he said started up here. So whenever you see a ka-chik, right now, they go find the serant. Wow.

This guy's talkative. Okay. So, kyu-myo-le...

Mayun-pa-tha...

[Speaker 2]
It's not an unshifting karma.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's not an unshifting karma because it's a shifting karma. But it was an unshifting karma. Okay.

Mayun-pa-tha. Kyu-myo-le yin-be-chen te. Because it's a shifting karma.

It's not an unshifting karma. It's a shifting karma. Why?

It was supposed to go to de-bu-che. Okay. Pen-je ka-chik, number one, it's going to project the body and mind into big result, that level of the fourth concentration level.

But, and, secondly, kyu-kyi, that... What's the kyu? Duh, but what's it referred to?

That karma, good. But that karma in... But that karma instead is going to throw our body and mind in the pure realm.

Also, okay, yang. So it's kind of weird. It's going to throw them into an Arya and non-Arya realm.

Yin-be-chen te. Kyu-kyi yin-be-chen, because it's what we're talking about. Okay.

Here's our response. It's... Simmon, find something.

Pay attention and criticize him. His wife does. Shippar, shippar, satsum, pay attention.

Good. Just because it was supposed to throw a body and mind into a non-Arya realm of great result, and instead it throws a body and mind into one of the five pure realms, doesn't mean it's both shifting and unshifting. Okay.

That's our response. Okay, just because it shifts doesn't mean it's shifting. Okay, got it?

Okay. Then we better come up with a good reason, right? And it's satsum.

And anybody who can remember that, I'll give you 20 bucks, because I did mention it. Damn. But what's it mean here?

I'm going to give you the money anyway, but what's it mean here? What's it mean here? Why does the border between the levels relate here?

Yeah, well, buy me a coffee someday. We stopped at the coffee shop, the guy wasn't awake today. Yeah, that doesn't speak highly of his coffee.

Someday, in Rimra. Huh?

[Speaker 2]
The last argument was that the sub-levels are not shifting, if I...

[Speaker 1]
No, no, no, don't go there. It's all sugar crystal. It's all fourth form realm, you understand?

He's just going to different rooms in the same house. So it's not shifting.

[Speaker 2]
Got it?

[Speaker 1]
He's going to the same address, but he's going to a different room in that house. Okay? Got it?

So we say it doesn't count as shifting. He's not shifting to a different house. He's just going to another bedroom in the same house.

Got it? Cool? It's a clever response.

By the way, this argument, this is like the dog won't let go of it, right? We've been there. We've already talked about this.

We didn't come to this... We didn't get the punchline. Here's the punchline.

Now finally everybody can relax. Okay. It shifted, but it didn't shift.

It shifted rooms, but not addresses. Okay, got it? Okay.

All right. Probably he had a good day on the debate ground one day. Because you never forget when you win a big debate, and you keep putting it in your book, you know?

Okay, go on. Good. Let's just do that much, because this is profound.

This is something we've been waiting for. Ngen dro.

[Speaker 2]
The lower realms.

[Speaker 1]
The three lower realms, which are hells, animals, and pretas. Okay. Ngen mang gi pumpa pen chig gi le.

A karma which is supposed to project a body and mind into one of the three realms. Dang. But it is dak nge.

And this is a verb for dark. It's not pure. It's definitely going to be projected.

Dakpa. Oh, permanent, unchanging. No, dak.

[Speaker 2]
Dakpa. Oh, dakpa.

[Speaker 1]
Purified. Pure. Yeah, good.

It will be purified by topshi. Yeah, so this is cool, you know? It's something you always wondered about.

So here it comes in his text. You're saying it will be antidote to pure? Yeah.

It's going to be purified by the four powers. The guy's going to use the four powers, and not just purified. Nge.

Dak nge. Yeah, no question. It's definitely going to be purified, okay?

So the titanic met the iceberg. Who goes down?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Does the four powers win, or does the lower realm karma win? Okay, I like to see this image of the two, you know, according to the four laws of karma, it must have its result. But according to the four powers, it must be purified.

So who's going to win? Okay? And that's what he's saying.

Let's take that, okay? Let's take this karma. It's supposed to throw you to the lower realms, but it ran into a guy practicing the four powers.

So, well, well, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Well. Good. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, pay attention.

Pay attention. Amen. I got to have a class monitor, so I don't have to referee people.

That's what they do in the boarding school, right? We used to take the worst guy in our company and make him the monitor. kye nyong war ma nge pe le yin pe chir pe yin pe chir pe?

yin pe chir pe. What's that mean?

[Speaker 2]
So, those are definitely experienced.

[Speaker 1]
It must not be experienced. Yeah. I'm sorry.

It must not be karma which is going to be definitely experienced because it's karma which is not definitely going to be experienced. Okay, got it? It's not karma which must be experienced because it's karma which is definitely not going to be experienced.

Yeah, okay. And then he nails it down. Okay, you got the plan.

Wow, you are moving. Today's emphasis. Instrumental.

Translate. Both the karma that is definitely that is going to be projected into the three lower realms, those are... Use the kang shing.

It is both A and B. It is both. That is going to be projected into the three lower realms.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, body and mind.

[Speaker 1]
Body and mind and also the body and mind of the lower realms that it projects met. Not going to be projected. There is no.

There is no. A, it's going to project the body and mind in the lower realms. B, there isn't going to be any body or mind in the lower realms.

Okay, got it? Therefore, it's not definite. Okay, got it?

There is no body and mind it's going to project. And it's going to project the body and mind. Okay?

So it's definite and not definite. Who wins? You know, which is happening?

It's very comforting to see a lower middle way text which is presenting the four powers. You know. Okay?

Now, there is something wrong with the book. Okay? It doesn't go through a...

There is something missing. There is a line missing. There is a major problem here.

Okay? It doesn't make any sense. It's as if they took out a line.

So I suspect a line is missing in the carving or something. I don't know. Okay, I can rewrite it.

It should be fun. But... And then later we can see if it matches.

If they ever find a good block. But something is missing here. The argument is not complete.

So let's just go here. See, this ends with na. If you say...

And then this ends in because blah blah blah. But there has been no assertion. Nobody said anything.

We didn't say anything. And then we say because. This sentence starts with because after he said, I think blah blah blah.

Then we say because blah blah blah. So there is something missing. We have to make an assertion.

Yeah, there is an assertion missing. By us. We can rebuild it if you want.

It's kind of fun. Yeah, something is missing. It would be fun to rewrite it actually.

We can do it right now. So let's go to the reason to understand what we asserted. ten yinpo tok si dak che ma jung na ngen roy nam min yi pungpo peng par ngepe che ten yinpo tok si dak che ma jung na Okay, ten yinpo tok si dak che ma jung na.

If it doesn't happen, and it's the past tense used as a hypothetical. If I were not to come to class. past tense.

We do it in English also. If I were not to come, if I were to skip class and work on Nick's text, ma jung na, dak che means purifier, consisting of the four powers, the antidote four powers. By the way, this is a misnomer.

Somebody want to explain? Nice, nice, nice, nice. The name for the four powers, the antidote four powers, is the name of the fourth power.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, good question.

[Speaker 1]
It is. Yeah, good question. Yeah.

Ma jung na, if he didn't apply the purifier, consisting of the four powers, which are antidote, are the antidote, if he had not, then ngen du nga mi gyi pungpo penpa nge bay che, then it would have been definite. Okay, it's kind of weird. So what did we say in here?

What was our assertion that's missing from the block? The reason we give is, it would have been definite if he hadn't purified it.

[Speaker 2]
So the assertion must be that as long as he applies the four powers, that it's not definite.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, something like that. I mean, you kind of said it more vaguely. Yeah, probably we'll say it's not ngen pungpo because he applied the four powers.

And in a sense, it is ngen pungpo because if he hadn't applied the four powers, it would have been definite. Okay, I'll say it again. It's not definite because he applied the four powers, and he's not going to go to the lower realms.

But if he hadn't applied the four powers, then it would have been definite. So the first half of that sentence is missing. This doesn't make sense as it stands now.

Somebody miscarved it, or he wrote it, and they left it off the block, or something like that. So it would be fun to re- create it. Yeah, we should treat both parts of the conchsheet.

Our re-creation, reconstruction of the text, we should cover both sides. It's a good point. We've got to look at the conchsheet carefully.

We've got to look at both sides of it. We've got to re-create it. And it'd be fun if they ever find his notes, which is not going to happen because that was 500 years ago.

So anyway, I love this kind of thing because it makes you look so smart as a translator. I'd put a footnote and say, you know, this is assumed to be missing, and here's my reconstruction because I'm so smart. Now, you should give him a hand because he just finished another link.

So basically, Sugeng is working through the Wheel of Life. He finished the first two links, which is by far the most difficult and the major part of the text. So the rest is downhill.

He's cruising downhill now. Probably not a single difficult point. And the first two links are so important compared to the other 10.

Like Vasubandhu spends half of his major commentary on the first two links. That they treat the other links all together. They lump them together.

So here it goes. Yeah, go ahead. Which means?

Yeah, now let's explain the rest. Okay, the rest of the links. It means all 10 get dumped into one bag.

They're like, no, we're individual links. No, I don't care. You're not as important as the first two links.

Okay, there'll still be some interesting fights, but especially when we get to Sipa, number 10, which is the ripening of the sanskara, maybe a vasana. Okay, something like that. Okay, okay.

Ben's got the plane. Give him some trouble. Come on, you guys are too nice to each other.

He fixed himself. Come on. It's not an English G.

Give him a chance. Give him a fighting chance. He did fix himself quite well.

Tendrel. Tendrel?

[Speaker 2]
Tendrel.

[Speaker 1]
Tendrel. Serna. Serna.

Okay, ser means what? Gold. Gold.

Ser means the debater said something. Which one is it here?

[Speaker 2]
The debater said something.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, good. So, what's he talking about is Namshekantendra. And if you want to be real cool, say Namshekantendra.

If you want to impress Tibetans. Otherwise you sound a little bit loud by it. Like you're showing that you're a foreigner.

Yeah, the link of consciousness, which is which link? Third. Third, which is what animal?

[Speaker 2]
Monkey.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, what's it mean? Why a monkey? Yeah, it's monkey mind entering your mother's womb.

It's monkey mind entering your mother's womb. At conception. Namshekantendra.

Then, remember we, you know, long ago, we talked about Dredu and Gedu. That's right. Someone show me the mudra.

[Speaker 2]
Like this?

[Speaker 1]
Argam, Padding, Bhubi. You are showing a mudra, but it's not the right one.

[Speaker 2]
Come on.

[Speaker 1]
As opposed to Dredu. We even talked about it for Namshek. Yeah.

Every wheel of life is at least three cycles. I mean normally, there's some other. Okay.

So, relative to each other, they are cause and effect. The first two links usually go in the first life. You misunderstand your wife and you yell.

You yell back. You misunderstand your husband and you yell back. So, misunderstand husband, yell back.

Link one, link two. Then in the next life, that causes your mind to enter your mom. Okay.

And then, in the third life, what links? Eleven and twelve. You're reborn.

You go through a whole life getting old and dying. So, eleven and twelve happen in a whole lifetime. And one and two represent the misunderstanding and karmic collection over a whole lifetime.

And links number three to ten represent the second life. So, what consciousness is he talking about here? Consciousness.

So, in which of the links do you have awareness?

[Speaker 2]
All.

[Speaker 1]
You have it in all the links. Okay. That's the point.

Okay. Don't forget that you basically have all five heaps in all the twelve links. So, you do have awareness.

Like, as you're misunderstanding, your awareness is linked to your misunderstanding. As you're collecting karma, your awareness is linked to your talking or your thinking. Okay.

So, those are called gyudu. So, he says, I'm going to give a description of the third link, consciousness. Okay.

It's the... The link of consciousness is one of the twelve links. It's a member, nangchen.

Okay. By the way, it might be without an M, but I think it's a damkha. What's damkha?

Yeah, spelling. There's more allowed either one. Like...

There's some British words, right? Color?

[Speaker 2]
O-U-R?

[Speaker 1]
Like Singapore spelling? Okay. That's how you can tell in American.

They just spell color, C-O-L-O-R. Yeah. Okay, so anyway, I believe it should be T-S-E-N.

You could run a statistics on it. It's the one with the Mao name, the honorific for Ming. Yeah, and it has many meanings, like the marks of a Buddha.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Anyway, nangchen. So, he says, the link of consciousness at the time of the cause, right, in the period of cause, which is maybe link one and two. Okay.

Okay, as the... Okay, yeah, the impetus time, you could say. I mean, that'd be cute.

The time of the... Okay. Which of the three cycles is link number three in?

The second cycle. Yeah, the second cycle, good. Now, but he says, I define the link of consciousness as the one that's in the first cycle.

Okay, kyu-tu. Okay, relative to the second cycle. Okay, kyu-tu.

The time of link one and two. Misunderstanding and making karma. Because you do have a consciousness, you do have an awareness while you're making karma, or you wouldn't make karma.

Because senpa has to be tuned in with something. Okay, okay. So, well, we agree with that.

Yeah. As a definition of the third link. Can the third link be defined as awareness during the first two links?

No. Okay, got it? Okay, got it?

You all right? All right. Now, here's our reply.

Okay. We're answering with our sarcasm. How do you spell mong-sen this time?

Oh, yeah, without them. Yeah. I think the mao is a mistake.

Mao is a mistake? Yeah, and I would probably correct it. Okay, let's do it now so we don't forget.

[Speaker 2]
It could be.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Didn't we innocently... Okay, this is a real prasangika.

Oh, yeah, so it's... It belongs to the result period. Yeah, I got it.

That's okay. That's all. We don't say anything else.

[Speaker 2]
Got it?

[Speaker 1]
Your cause period consciousness, awareness, it must be related to the result period, the second spin. Yeah, that's good. You're supposed to laugh.

Gotcha. Why? Because he defined it as the one that belongs to the first spin.

He says, let's take the one that belongs to the first spin. It's the link of consciousness. Then we say, oh, that's good.

Yeah, so I guess it belongs to the second spin. Right. That means we think what?

It belongs to the second time. If it's the link. Okay, by the way, you always have to say, if it's the link of consciousness, awareness, it must be in the result time.

In the result time. Okay, got it? Yeah.

Okay, so it's kind of a not very subtle argument. He says, it belongs to the cause time and it's the link of consciousness. And we say, oh, it's a link of consciousness.

Then I guess it belongs to result time. Yeah, I mean, it's not a very sophisticated argument. Got it?

You okay? Right. By the way, these are tricky because, of course, you have to have awareness in the first spin and in the third spin when you do rebirth, aging and death.

You still have to have awareness, okay? He's trying to make a distinction between awareness as a link and awareness as... Exactly.

This is a... This whole... Debate.

What do you call it? Genre of argument inside the twelve links is just to point out that there's things that don't act as links, but they're there. Like inside the wheel there's five kinds of rebirth, right?

And they all have awareness, okay? So it's even in there, but not the link. Or maybe it is.

Okay, all right. Just because it's not painted on the outside, maybe it's still the link, right? Or you wouldn't be an animal on the inside of the wheel.

Okay, all right, anyway. Then we just... It's a very short proof of why it has to be in the result part.

In the results... What do you call it? Spin.

I'm going to call it three spins. Okay, yeah. Why?

Because it's what I said it was. I don't like this argument. No, but anyway.

Okay. So now you... At least now you know that the wrong look is what?

It must be the second spin. The result. De-du.

De-du. De-tu. De-tu.

Okay, de-tu.

[Speaker 2]
So it's...

[Speaker 1]
As a link. As a link, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Is the current wheel of next life the wheel of the following life?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Well, it gets a little tricky. The third spin could be 10,000 lifetimes later.

[Speaker 2]
Anyway.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they're not necessarily three lifetimes in a row. So that's another problem. We'll get to that later.

And there's a form. Kei chigme ten in a single instant. All 12.

Okay, in a minute. Those are kind of cute. They just don't go to other lives.

And it's a special explanation from the Abhidhamma. Stanley will give it to us later. If we ever get to it.

Okay. All right, go. You got the plane.

namshe kitendrel de la yena namshe... namshe tok tuk yi tser me Sok tuk. Sok tuk.

Sok tuk. Sok tuk.

[Speaker 2]
It's not an English word.

[Speaker 1]
Sok tuk. Sok tuk. Okay.

yen la chun nyi kyi nosang gyur min namshe kitendrel de la yena So if we take this third link, called awareness... By the way, awareness may be a better translation. Because if you ask a waiter about consciousness, they're like...

they're not so clear on the meaning. But if you say awareness, then it's like, okay, I'm aware, you know. It just means that you're alive.

So when you see namshe, think not dead. The light of awareness, which is like a miracle. If you really identify it in your own mind, I have awareness, I have this spark of life that I can see things, you know.

You think of it like that, and you'll have a better appreciation of what namshe is. Don't categorize it in a corner of your mind called consciousness. It's not that.

It's your... It's being alive. It's being alive, and it's a miracle.

You know, that you can see colors and shapes and, you know. So should I go back to the front and check... I don't know.

I don't know if I want to change it yet. But when you teach it in Bali, tell them to be aware of the curl of the wave as they surf. Okay.

Now he says, if you divide it, you get... This is very famous. Namshe Tsog Truk.

Say namshe. A little bit of a she, right? Namshe Tsog Truk.

What's Tsog Truk? The collection of six different kinds of consciousness. Then you can do the Heart Sutra thing.

Go down the body. Eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind. Okay.

If you're mind only. But when you're talking about planters...

[Speaker 2]
Tsog Truk. Namshe Tsog Truk. Good.

Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So Namshe Tsog Truk is very common. Namshe Tsog Truk is not so common. Mind only.

So it's the six plus. What happened to Kunshi? Yeah, good.

Very good. He's becoming a mind only master. Master of the mind only.

Like Jet Li. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Tsog Truk.

[Speaker 1]
Tsog Truk. Yes. So that's not unreasonable.

If we're going to divide the link of consciousness, not consciousness, not consciousness in general, but somehow it's wrong to say the third link can be divided into the six. Somehow it's wrong. Somehow it doesn't follow normal consciousness.

When it becomes the third link, you can't say six consciousness anymore. Now why? We've got to see what's our counterexample.

Okay. What's our counterexample? Here we go.

Two minutes here. Nice. Counterexample.

All right. Sarcastic. Go down.

Nice. Nice ye. Ya.

Kyal. Kyal. Yin.

Pei. Chi. Okay, good.

Making number seven. Chi. Chi.

Consider your awareness of what you see. Consider your awareness of what you see. And you're not thinking nonsense.

You're being nice. You're thinking the Yinbata is. Are you telling me it's link number three?

Are you telling me it's link number three? Why? Because it's, Ya Kyal is the same as nonsense.

It's a member of that group. Yeah, it's a member of that group. Okay?

It's a member of the divisions. It's one of the divisions of consciousness. Do we believe that?

Yeah. No, we don't.

[Speaker 2]
Right, right.

[Speaker 1]
So when we say Yehwa here, it means your proposed Yehwa. Your proposed divisions. It's a member of your proposed divisions because you said the third link could be divided into the six normal consciousnesses.

Then we say, okay, let's take Miki Nambarshepa. We can finish this one. Let's do it.

Do you know? Miki Nambarshepa Chöchen. Good.

Kyogila Denpe Sangye Pakpa Mepa Pak Let's just stop there. I mean, let's take it that far. Somebody translate.

Miki Nambarshepa Chöchen. Consider the consciousness of the eye. Yeah, consider your awareness of what you're seeing, you can say.

Kyogila Denpe Sangye Pakpa Mepa So I guess all Buddhas are blind. Well, no, it says, so I guess no Buddha has it in their mind stream, in their being. Sometimes I translate gyuh as being and sometimes I translate it as mind, depending on the context, okay?

It can also mean tantra, okay? Santana. Yeah, okay, so Kyogila Denpe Sangye.

So I guess no Buddha has it. Why? Don't look at the why.

Because it's linked. It's a link of samsara. Okay, if something is a link of samsara, a Buddha cannot have it.

Okay, they are standing outside, pointing to the moon.

[Speaker 2]
They are mooning us.

[Speaker 1]
Kyogila Denpe. Sorry, I was just kidding. Kyogila Denpe.

Somebody's got to explain to Alison and Tangtang what's mooning mean, right? You know, right? As soon as they start having an argument, one of us will show them.

Never mind, ask him later. It's a bad, it's a bad word. Okay, Miki Denpe Sangye Chodchen.

Kyogila Denpe Sangye Pakpa Mepa. Well, why do you say a Buddha can't have it? Go, finish, finish.

Kyotendrel Yenlak Chunyi Ki Namsen Kyurpe Namshe Kyotendrel Rinpe Chi Whoa. Because it's a link. Okay, because it's a link.

Who said that? He said it. He said it.

Why, how did he say it? How? Say it again.

Six. He said it's one of the six. He said all six of the divisions of the six consciousnesses are the third link.

So we took visual consciousness. So I guess that's one of the links? Yeah.

Oh, so I guess Buddhists don't have it. Got it? Why?

Because it's a link.

[Speaker 2]
It's samsara.

[Speaker 1]
It's part of samsara. Jimin is, though. See you later.

You can't agree that Buddhists can't see anything. Give me a break.

[Speaker 2]
Nuh-uh, next topic.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, go away. Stop tearing. What's the date today?

[Speaker 2]
27th.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. It says Sangye Pakpa. Oh, now, somebody discuss the proper translation of Sangye Pakpa.

Buddha. An Arya who is a Buddha. Great, an Arya who is also a Buddha.

So that's the meaning of Sangye Pakpa. Buddha Arya. Because there's two kinds of Aryas.

Right.

[Speaker 2]
There's not two kinds of Aryas. Couldn't it be three?

[Speaker 1]
Arya is an Arhat, right? You could, I mean, then it's endless. But Aryas are either enlightened Aryas or non-enlightened Aryas.

So once you get to Buddhahood, you still are called an Arya. And you are still called an Arhat. Buddha is an Arhat.

It's an advanced Arhat. And a Buddha is an advanced Arya.

[Speaker 2]
What about an Arya who's a Bodhisattva? Huh? What about Arya who's a Bodhisattva?

[Speaker 1]
He's also an Arya who's a Bodhisattva. He's a Bodhisattva who's an Arya.

[Speaker 2]
Wait, there need to be an Arya who's not a Bodhisattva. Someone that's not an Arya.

[Speaker 1]
In theory, there can be an Arya who's not. No, not even in theory. There are?

There are. It's one of Tsongkhapa's favorite subjects. There are Aryas who are not Bodhisattvas.

All right. Papi bhuti jokshin me thong trang rinrabdhim sin yinde nyam padi sange shindhu mithe uvardi dokunnam dakshin lajjupakso nidam guru radhamandala kamiryatayami devadhi keval kund sanam yeshe tsok tsok shing sanam yeshe le chung we dhamma kunyi dhamma shing Awesome. Yeah.

I look forward to your teaching in Bali. Bali.