Классика Алмазного огранщика: Нижний Срединный путь — Анализ зависимости, занятие 21

[Speaker 1]
So he's making two mistakes around here. First of all, he's saying that Arya does have fresh penjekile. And now he's saying he doesn't have fresh finished karma, dukjekile.

And whether dukjekile is exactly the same as dzokjekile, I'm going to leave that for now. Let's see where we go. But it's a karma that will finalize the birth.

We don't know how. Okay? And then we say deyobar.

Now, we didn't answer with a counterexample. We just said, they do. They do have finishing karma.

Sorry, dukjekile. Oh boy, you're ruining my day. No, just kidding.

Dukjekile, he has the karma which finishes it. He does make new, fresh karma which finishes a future birth. But he doesn't have new karma which projects a future birth.

Because he's still got seven weeks to go probably, something like that. So he must have the karma that finishes the rebirth, but not the karma which throws the rebirth. He's got old throwing karma, and he still has fresh completing karma, means completes the rebirth, gets it going, completes the beginning of the rebirth.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
You all right? Yeah. Okay?

[Speaker 2]
Not sure.

[Speaker 1]
You're both sick. Sorry. Oh, I'm sorry.

That's okay. I think I donated too much. Okay, and then we say deyobar.

No? No, now we believe it.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, believe it? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Because he said they don't have it. They don't have, right? He said they don't have this karma which completes the rebirth.

He doesn't make fresh karma which throws a new rebirth, but he does make fresh karma that finishes the rebirth thing. Okay, because normally an Arya has seven more lifetimes as a non-Buddha. Okay?

So they must have, they don't make new karma that throws a rebirth, but they still make new karma that makes the rebirth happen from the old throwing karma. Got it?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay? Deyobar pal, please read. pakpe tenlayam sichime naming gi pungpo dukje kile sadhu sokpa yudpe chit Yeah, they do have it because they do have yudpa, sokpa, the collection, freshly sadhu of the karma which completes the rebirth thing.

Okay? Which completes the rebirth thing into ripened body and mind and assumed, this is assumed to be impure body and mind. Thank you.

Okay, still, they're still in the wheel of life. Okay. At least post second link.

Okay, something like that. In a future life, yangtze chima. Remember yangtze is the modern word for chuka.

What is this naming? Which comes about as a result of the ripening of karma. So mimba means ripening.

You can ignore the nam. It just means very ripening. Something like that.

And when a fruit is ripe and it's ready to eat, we call mimba. When a blizzard is ready to pop, we call mimba. So this is one of the five kinds of causes outlined in the Abhidharmakosha.

Although everything is mimba. Okay, in the higher school everything is mimba. You can't really distinguish between mimba and non-mimba.

All right, go ahead. Okay, good. Let's leave this part.

There's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very important one here that you probably haven't met much yet, which is sundepa. I'll give you some background on it. Sowa means, do you know?

To fix. Did you say fix? Yeah, or to repair.

Like kangso gyat means to do repairs on your house. House renovation. And sojong is when you repair your house.

And sodik is the classic study of medicine. The science of sowa. Ayurveda is called sodik.

Okay, so depa is a verbalizer. Sundep means to plant a seed. You know, it's a doer.

Dep is like gyap or chepa. Gyap, chepa, and depa. These are three doerizers.

Verbalizers. Doerizers. Okay, when you add them to something.

It's the classically sundep, which is to plant a seed, or kundep, to underestimate it. Past tense, depa. Why it's so important for his text is that links number eight and nine do the sundeping.

And the classic, you know, I didn't have a dictionary when I was growing up. I had Rinpoche. So I learned everything from Rinpoche.

And we were sitting one day watching the, he liked to watch the lottery on TV. And he'd say, this lady come out in a miniskirt, and they have big music and lights flashing, and she would pick the number out of the wheel for five million dollars. And he'd love it.

I don't know why. And then he'd say, that's exactly sundep. Sundep means to arm the bomb.

Arm the bomb. Bomb. To make it ready to blow up.

It's not to blow up. Ten is blow up. Well, ten is ready to blow up.

Eight and nine get, they turn the bomb on. Okay, eleven is the bomb explodes. Rebirth.

Okay, so eight and nine are very subtle. And as I said the other day, they're initial desire and strong desire. But their function is to change the seed from two to ten.

Okay, they're the water on the seed that makes it fat and pregnant. Okay, so, and then all schools have debate about what is eight and nine. Because they're called words for desire, some lower idea is, oh, you must want something, or something like that.

But on a higher meaning of shambha, shambha? Attachment. Attachment to the idea that it's coming from its own side.

Okay, so it's really misunderstanding where things come from that arms the bomb. Otherwise, two would never change to ten. And that's kind of the goal.

You see, you don't get rid of your bad seeds. You just put them in the refrigerator forever. You can't destroy them.

That would be, that would break the rules of universal justice. That will sit in your mind forever, but they will never get sundepa. No one will get them ready to grow up.

You see, that's called sundepa. Okay, so it's a difficult word. Maybe it's armed, but it's more like, what do you want to say, brought to fruition or something?

I don't know. You got to think about it. And it's a very, very interesting thing.

When you think about the level of mastery, you think there's a second path going on, path of preparation, okay? Something goes wrong with the sundepa process. And the seeds you have already to go to a lower realm cannot be sundepa, which means if you understand the seeds, they can't go on.

It's very interesting. If you aim your understanding at them, it drives them up, okay? And if you misunderstand them, they get trashed and watered, and they may get number 10, fat lady, pregnant, okay?

Got it? It's very interesting. You could debate, you could have a nice debate, if you have a whole class of people doing your text, they could debate where you break the wheel of life.

Maybe it's not one, maybe it's at eight and nine. You see what I mean? Got it?

All right. So, what are the two links that can do the watering? Let's call it watering for today, okay?

What are the two links that can do the watering? These two, sepa and lemba. Eight initial desire, nine advanced desire.

What are their features? Yeah, eight is eating at crickets, a huge breakfast, about this big. And if eight and nine water that karma, here's karma, okay, which throws a new body and mind, which is of the type which ripens from karma in a future life.

This ten means, remember? To rely on. Give it a noun.

His home base, his home headquarters, body and mind. Just think of it as the body and mind that he's using for his operations. Okay, this ten means, and normally it's a down jorky ten.

Yeah, you have equipment for this life. You have equipment, body and mind, which, you know, you have dharma, the government's not stopping you, you know, like this, okay? So ten means basic home base for your spiritual operations.

Okay, so in his home base, there does exist karma, which is being watered by links eight and nine, which is going to throw a body and mind, which is a result of karma ripening in a future life. But, did he say sadhu-sokhya? No, no, he didn't collect that karma new, he had it from his past life.

He already had throwing karma, but he does have dukjiki karma, which is going to take the throwing karma and set it off like a bomb. Why? Because he has these two waterers.

He's still got these two waterers, okay, which implies that selen is a deeper kind of ignorance than the kind you get rid of at the path of seeing. Because he already got rid of those. See what I mean?

To make throwing karma, you just need basic misunderstanding. To make completing karma, it's enough to have some kind of deeper innate, okay, an innate form, something you're born with. Because the one that comes from intellectual, you lose when you're an Arya.

So it must be that the intellectual kind helps you make new throwing karma. And when you become an Arya, you can't make new throwing karma. But when you become an Arya, you still have these two guys, which are infected with some kind of deeper ignorance, deeper misunderstanding, something that you're born with.

Got the difference? And that's why he has to go through which of the five paths? Number four.

Yeah, number four, path of obituary. He's cleaning out the deeper seeds. And those are still purchased like a penje?

Yeah, they cannot make penje, but they can water penje. Okay, got it? And even make it go off seven times, seven more times.

It's called sipa-len-dumbawa. Say sipa.

[Speaker 2]
Sipa-len-dumbawa.

[Speaker 1]
Don't ask me why, but it's always seven. Unless you do Tantra, or unless, you know, you work really hard, okay? And you know it when you see emptiness directly.

Within the next hour, you know it. You see the seven lifetimes. You see some of the content.

And so it's kind of a weird life, because you know where you're going next. Okay, go. Sipa-len-dumbawa.

Good. I will bow down to this sentence, because it's one of the, it's not very common to see sipa-len-dumbawa. Len-dumbawa.

Say len-dumbawa.

[Speaker 2]
Len-dumbawa. Seven-timer.

[Speaker 1]
The fact that he said it means he knows a lot. Okay, and it's in the Abhidharmakosha. It comes in the Abhidharmakosha.

But the fact that he thought it was important to put in this text is profound, very profound. Okay, so here we go. Yangzi.

Yeah, future life. Chima, future. Okay, chima means future.

It literally means later. Kewa Lenpe, who takes a rebirth, okay, who takes a later life, okay. Arya, yuh.

There is an Arya. Yeah, the Aryas do take future life. They don't have new showing karma, but they have old showing karma, and they still make new karma, which completes the rebirth.

Okay, yuh be chirpe. Yangzi chima, Kewa Lenpe, because there is an Arya who takes a birth, literally take a birth, as in English, like Dong Len, giving and taking, right. Here's Len, who takes a birth in the future.

And we call them Ngepe Gyinsuk, okay, stream mentor Gyinsuk, whose future is fixed. So Ngepa can mean definite, or it can mean fixed. Sometimes karma is called, there are kinds of karma which are called Ngepa.

They're fixed, they're not going to detour, okay. Fixed stream mentor, he's called a fixed stream mentor. And this sweet, sweet holy word, Sipa Lendubala, this Sipa means rebirth, okay.

You have Bhava Chakra, Sipa Korno, Wheel of Life, so that's similar here. Yeah, Sipa Korno. So this Sipa is the Sipa in Sipa Korno, life.

He will take seven more lives. He's a seven life taker, taker root. Okay, Sipa, say Sipa, Sipa Lendubala.

Just say it a few times today, you know, while you're in the bathroom, Sipa Lendubala. Sipa Lendubala, okay. If you, if this whole college is successful, we will produce a bunch of Sipa Lendubalas, okay.

If our translation work is successful, we will make a bunch of Sipa Lendubalas, and I can feel it. I can feel some cool stuff happening. Okay, Yebe Eche.

Yebe Eche, because there is such a thing as a Sipa Lendubala, okay. There is such a thing as a person who's going to take seven more lifetimes, who's a stream mentor, who has a fixed future, fixed future rate investment, something like that. Okay, I think I got everybody sick.

That's kind of cool. Okay, I apologize. I didn't want to.

I was thinking to stay home these two weeks and not make you sick, but I figured you'd rather be sick and know about your seven-timers than be healthy and not know about them.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
I got sick by taking care of my lover, so it's okay. Maybe, maybe that's cause and effect. Yeah, well, it's hard to remember that, okay, when you're sick.

I've flown in and out of remembering that. Okay, here we go. Yeah, no, this gets into some pretty controversial stuff.

Your khachigs are pretty hot. Anybody want to take a shot? Okay.

I'll drink this just in, just in my doctor.

[Speaker 2]
There is fresh karma in the mind. There's no fresh karma in the mind, fresh karma, which is the second one.

[Speaker 1]
Who said that?

[Speaker 2]
Kachig.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the other guy said, Aryas don't have link number two. Okay, Aryas don't have link number two. Do they have link number one?

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
No, good.

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, especially in the form that would create new karma to throw a new life. Okay, but they still have old, old, right? Yeah.

But according to this, since kachig is always wrong, that's the only thing we can count on. The other guy's always wrong. We're always right.

We don't know what we believe yet, but we're right. He said there's no such thing as an Arya who has the second link in their mind, gyula-den, okay? Here, gy means mind, okay?

Who has fresh karma, dvijekile, sanskara, sanskara, in Sanskrit. There's no such thing, he says. Go.

Think about it. You don't have to rush.

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
No, we're saying they do. They do have it.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, they do have it. Yeah, they have it.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, they do have it. Because yeah, it probably should be simvijekile, but it's okay. The past tense of achieved.

Yeah, good. The what? Sin means past, past, past tense.

Oh, okay. ED in English. Okay.

I ate the food. Achieved it. Okay, but what's proved?

Achieved. Here it's proved. Proved, proved.

I already proved to you. Okay, dvijekile means we already proved to you, okay? Then it takes up all this grammar case.

I already proved to you that. R is that. The R here is that.

I already proved to you that there is an Arya who takes a rebirth in the future. Okay, who takes a future rebirth. I already proved that to you.

So what's that proof?

[Speaker 2]
That they have fresh karma, which is the second one.

[Speaker 1]
He didn't say fresh. He didn't say fresh. He just said they do have the second one.

Okay, yeah, but it's not sardu. We didn't make it fresh meat. Okay.

Okay, cool. They do have the second link because they can take a rebirth.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
If they didn't have the second link, they couldn't take a rebirth. Okay. There we go again.

Are you feeling all right? I'm okay to do it. Do you want somebody else to?

No, it's okay. We got Gibbs in here.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1]
If something is the second link, if something is the karma of the second link, fresh karma, then it must be ngepele, definite karma. Now we don't know what definite karma means. And it has different meanings in different schools.

So this is going to be nice because whatever we say next is going to define what is definite karma for this school. He says all second links are fixed karma. So our counterexample has to be something which is the second link and is not a fixed karma.

And from that we'll learn what's a fixed karma. Okay. All right.

Here we go. Yeah. And then you pause.

He's supposed to say chi che and you say dey che. Dey che. This is really controversial.

Okay. What's lac che ngepe? Leftover.

Yeah. Still has something left over. An arhat.

Someone who reached nirvana. There's two types. Who has something left over and who doesn't have something left over.

In the lower schools, what's the thing they have left over? They still have an impure body. They're still running around in an impure body.

And that dharma rumor, misinformation, dharma misinformation, got very spread around during the 700 years of Abhidharma thugs. He's a tough guy, Abhidharma. And then everybody thought they had to disappear to reach nirvana.

To reach full nirvana, I have to disappear. You know, that became very common idea. And then they named restaurants nirvana because, you know, you just okay.

All right. What's the higher school sense? By the way, so which would come first with remainder or without remainder?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
First you have your still old, you still have your old dirty body. And then you go to a higher arhat and you lose your old dirty body. You just, you just melt into nothing.

You cut off the physical matter, you cut off the discontinuation of the stream of your matter and mind. It's their idea of phagme, renali minder, discontinuation of physical body and mental process. Then you just disappear.

And that's nirvana, lower school. Then, so with something left over comes from their school first and then nothing left over. What about the higher school?

You can guess, they reverse it. When you see emptiness directly, you drop manifest mental afflictions, blah, blah, blah. Then later you come back to the world and you start misunderstanding things slightly.

[Speaker 2]
And they call that phagme lakchen? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I didn't know that. That's cool. Yeah.

They say phagme happens first. That's lakchen.

[Speaker 2]
But they're talking way beyond nirvana.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, but way, but pretty far beyond, pretty far high. We'll go study it someday. It's not, it may come here.

We'll see. Okay. Lakchen.

Like when the buddhas wake them up and say, hey, you gotta come down and do this stuff. Rad. Yeah.

Or something like, I'm not saying exactly, something like that.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, here.

[Speaker 1]
Lakchen nyamde la nepe nyamde. Listen to a track. Listen to a track, Arhat.

Okay. Who's still got his dirty body. Okay.

He's residing in a, he's living in a nirvana, nyamde, where he still has his dirty body in mind. Okay. Well, actually, they would say anybody in mind.

They wouldn't even say dirty. True. Gyu la.

Yen lak nepa. Their second link. Which is already.

Let's consider that. Okay. Don't you guys have an objection?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, how the hell do they have an objection?

[Speaker 1]
Didn't somebody say, huh? There's an R, didn't somebody say Arhat? You're sick too.

Kasi kasi.

[Speaker 2]
Now we're talking about.

[Speaker 1]
Don't worry, I'll just eat kidneys off.

[Speaker 2]
Now we're talking about Arhats with the second link, not just Aryas.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, now please make a note of, say it again, louder.

[Speaker 2]
Now, we were talking about Aryas with the second link, which was already an issue, but now we're talking about Arhats who we would have thought would have been done with the second link.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it should bother you profoundly, if you weren't very sick. You'd say, why the heck can an Arhat still have link number two? Come on.

He's still making pots. Dirty pot. And this is our position, right?

Yeah, this is our position. Good. Nice point.

This is our position. Okay, I'll say it again. This is our counterexample for someone who said, if you have link number two, it must be definite karma.

[Speaker 2]
This is our counterexample.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, what about Arhats that have link number two? But who are still in their old body and mind. Okay, what about those guys?

So, it's our counterexample. That means we believe it. It also means we must believe it's not.

[Speaker 2]
Definite karma.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Okay. Got it?

Okay, this is a very famous quotation from the tenure. And I want you to find it. Okay, that's your assignment.

During your vacation. What you're going to do, and if you need help, talk to them. It's going to be in the tenure.

Because it's Abhidharma. So, don't forget, you know, you're going to experience this thing, especially your author. He's often quoting what he heard in the debate ground.

And it's not uncommon for a guy like me, for example, to quote a scripture incorrectly, just because I don't remember how it really went. But that doesn't stop you in a debate. So, there'll be variations.

So, that's a good assignment for you. You're going to search for pieces of, don't take la, which occurs in every book in the universe. Okay, take something, yin mu is kind of rare.

If it were me, I would search for yin mu kita. It's like if I want to look up, I don't know, hold your breath. If I'm Chinese and I want to look it up on the internet, I can look up L-D-Y-O.

You see what I mean? When you're using the database, you don't have to use words. Use unique pieces.

L-D space Y-O. And you're much more likely to find it. Because the likelihood of one word following another word is much rarer than the likelihood of a word that exists.

So, if it were me, I might go to D-K-Y-I-P. You see what I mean? I'm giving you a super cool trick.

My ability to find quotations is legendary even among university people. And that's one of my tricks. I look for pieces that are unique, because the likelihood of those three pieces occurring in order is very low.

[Speaker 2]
And, Geshe-la, in this case, the advantage to doing that would be that somebody may have misspelled one of the other words around K.

[Speaker 1]
What I'm saying is that there's nothing very rare in the whole quotation. There's no very rare word here. They're all common words.

Arhat, so-so person who didn't see anything is, virtue, non-virtue. You go look at those, you're going to spend all month. You're going to get 2,000 hits.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Also, another clue, when you're looking for it, which part of the Tengu is this going to be in?

[Speaker 2]
Parchin?

[Speaker 1]
Read it, please. It's a kosha. It's a kosha coming in.

In Stanley's text, in fact, we're at that right now. We're discussing whether the kosha is treasure house or treasure. Oh, I gave you some money, it was too early.

We're discussing whether the kosha means treasure house or treasure. Is it the thing in the treasure house or is it the house that has the treasure? Okay.

We were just discussing them. So, you're going to get hits. I'll show you.

Let's do it. Oh, I'm lucky, Todd.

[Speaker 2]
I'm lucky I did it for you. Well, there's only four matches, boss.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. I just want to show you a trick, okay? Go to the Tengu.

Okay. Make sure you have the most recent one, which is January 5th.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, my God.

[Speaker 1]
And then, look, search for it. Ready? Okay.

Now, what I want you to do, well, maybe there's none. I want you to watch down here. I want you to watch down here because you know it's in the Abhidharma.

If you get an Abhidharma hit down here, Abhidharma section hit, then you're interested. If it's not, just skip it. If it says tantra, skip it.

Okay. Let's see, there's four. This says there's four of those in a million pages, okay?

Because we did this trick. We looked for M-O-D-K-Y-I-P-H-R-A. It doesn't mean anything.

It's just pieces. So, that's Abhidharma. This is Abhidharma.

This is Abhidharma. And this is Miscellaneous. Not interesting.

By the way, that's interesting. These are the grammarian's text by Panini. Okay, the Sanskrit grammarian whose work destroyed all earlier grammarian's work.

He set the standard in Sanskrit. Yeah, so we're not going there. It's got to be one of these three.

Now, I'm not going to go more than that. You have to figure it out. Okay.

I'm just giving you clues to search. What are the two clues I gave you today? Not to use entire words and to use unique words.

Use pieces, because there's no rare words here. Yeah. And what was the second idea?

Find a section. Watch the bottom of the screen. Watch the bottom of the search screen.

If it says Tantra or it says, you know, poetry, it's medicine. It's not the thing you're looking for.

[Speaker 2]
Normally. You also said use the most recent database, so...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's also a trick.

[Speaker 2]
That's up on the translator course.

[Speaker 1]
I'll put it in there today. Yeah, now this database for the Tengyur is important, because we cracked the Tantra. We redesigned the whole Tantra, and we finished.

No, sorry, we're not quite finished. But Anuttara's finished. I'll do it right now.

You have the most recent Tengyur? So, Deyobhichyavade, there does... Now, between here, that guy objected strenuously.

He described it. How the heck can an arhat have link number two? What are you talking about?

Then we bail. We bail. We go to a quotation.

Look, I didn't say it. It's in the scripture. Okay, what's the scripture?

It's a commentary to the Abhidharmakosha called... It's very beautiful. The clarified meaning.

The meaning clarified. Okay, it's a commentary. That's the Abhidharmakosha.

And it says, dracambadaglayam, even arhats have, even arhats have, lay, karma, okay? Which they chepad. Made.

Made. This cup is same as cup, ne cup. That life.

In the context, okay? Back, back when they were... Okay, back in the past.

Okay, so what this says so far is arhats still have karma that they made back when they were people who hadn't seen emptiness yet. They still have, they still have even that. Okay, layam.

I'm sorry, even arhats have. Even arhats still have karma that they collected back in the days when they had not seen emptiness. Are we in Kachik still?

No, we're not in Tengyur. What kind of karma is that? Karma.

It's good and bad. It's gewa or migewa. That's even more controversial.

Okay, they still have bad and good, good and bad karma, okay? But it's... Not fixed.

Me pa mayin me. Good luck. I'm drinking end times.

Admittedly, it's not the thing that doesn't... Double negative. It's not that they don't have...

Good. It's not that they don't have it. Pure definite.

That means they have it, okay? Okay? It's not that they don't have it.

They do. Me means but. Me is always followed by kyang or something.

Okay? This ki is the disjunctive. It's usually kyang after me.

Me means... Yeah, okay, I admit. It's not that they don't have it.

But. Okay, I admit that it's not that they don't have it.

[Speaker 2]
But.

[Speaker 1]
They don't have trage. Trage. Trage is the Abhidharma word for nyamo.

Yeah, it's the subject matter of chapter five of his book. Okay, it's the subject matter of chapter five. It lies between the chapter on...

Karma.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, karma.

[Speaker 1]
And the chapter on the path and the practitioner.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. So. What's the flow of the Abhidharma?

First two chapters. I'll tell you about good stuff and bad stuff. Third chapter.

[Speaker 2]
Practitioner.

[Speaker 1]
Here's what the world looks like. And here's all the different kinds of rebirth. Fourth chapter.

Karma. Here's the karma that made those worlds. Fifth chapter.

[Speaker 2]
Afflictions.

[Speaker 1]
Here's the negativities in your mind that created the karma that made the world that concludes those 30 things. See, there's a flow. That is the Abhidharma culture.

Sixth chapter. And I'll tell you how to get rid of them. Okay.

And seventh, you're going to need... Seventh and eighth, you're going to need wisdom and concentration. Okay, got it?

I just taught it, so it's fresh. It's not that I remember. So what did he say?

Oh, by the way, Trage, it's a word for negative emotions. And it's called subtle spreads. Subtle spreads.

It's two words all put together. Subtle spreads. What's it mean?

[Speaker 2]
It means the things that are in your mind.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they're subtle, they're deep in your mind, and they're everywhere.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Well, yeah. And that's the Abhidharma word for it. The main Abhidharma word for it.

They still accept the word Yama, but they named the fifth chapter Trage. Is it a different Sanskrit word than Klesha? Probably.

Yeah. You want to go look it up?

[Speaker 2]
I don't remember, personally.

[Speaker 1]
Whenever you want to know the Sanskrit word, look up Chandra. This is Lokesh Chandra. Have it ready.

You notice it's the second thing in my list of places I go to. Here he said, Nyomong equals Trage. Okay.

Now, this is 11 names for Nyomong. I'm going to skip it. I want to go find Trage by itself.

Anushaya. Lies below. Is that worthy of a footnote?

Probably. The root is she. It's not right before.

Uh. So, even though it's not that they don't have. By the way, there's another problem here.

It's not that they don't have mangepa. Unfixed. What does that come out to?

Triple negative. So they do have not-fixed. Okay.

It's not that they don't have not-fixed karma. Indefinite. Indefinite.

Yeah. Not that they don't have indefinite karma. Which means they do have indefinite karma.

Yeah. We got to use Adam's term.

[Speaker 2]
Three flips here.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Which means they have indefinite karma. But they don't have.

They do not have negative emotions. They don't have mental afflictions. In the old translation standard.

Try mental affliction to a waiter. No way. I have mental afflictions.

Would you like Coke or? Okay. I have negative emotions.

Well, I hope you feel better. Okay. All right.

Taigei mebei chen. And here's kind of a nice punchline. Teda ki sipa rinpoche du min nyu so.

They cannot actualize. Rinpoche du. They cannot actualize a rebirth.

They cannot make a rebirth happen. Arhats. Okay.

Nyunta ja chompa. No, it's probably the mange pei le. Okay.

It might be the Chinese. Okay. They don't have anything which can trigger the karma.

Okay. Which can trigger the rebirth. Which can bring about the rebirth.

Manifest the rebirth. They don't mean like mun sum tenpa. Make it real.

Actualize. They don't have. Lumbar dupa is like actualize.

Bring it about. Okay. Okay.

So what did we learn from this quotation from the tenure? If it was quoted right. Hmm.

[Speaker 2]
That uh.

[Speaker 1]
Arhats do have. Luha. Yeah, which means in this case, is it definite that it will ripen?

No, no.

[Speaker 2]
No, it's not.

[Speaker 1]
Do they have karma?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Do they have karma which is sure to ripen? Yes. No.

Do they have karma which is not sure to ripen?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. Why? Why?

Yeah, but they don't have. Sorry, but they don't have mental afflictions. Well, why?

Well, why? Well, there's nothing in them that's going to manifest or actualize a rebirth. Okay.

All right. You okay? Contagious stuff.

One more minute. No, it's time. Yeah, it's time.

Come on, let's do a little more. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, you can't agree that they don't. I guess that they don't have the second link. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah, you can't agree that link number two inside of them is karma, which is definitely going to have a result. You can't agree that the link number two in them that they have is ngepele, karma which is definitely going to give a result. Because they have the second link.

You cannot agree to that. Why? And this is an equational sentence.

There's an is right here.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
There's an is right here. Okay. Because their second link is.

[Speaker 2]
Is not.

[Speaker 1]
Is. Is fresh karma. Fresh karma.

Well, yeah. I wonder if this was fuji. We got to think about that.

Let's put some dollar signs. This is how I bail out. It's not like a genius thing to say their second link is sanskara.

Everybody's second link is sanskara. If this said drupje, that would be okay. But even they don't have drupje.

I don't know. Wouldn't it make sense if it said yupech here instead of yupech here? Because arhats, like he's proving that it doesn't have to be fixed because arhats have that thing.

[Speaker 2]
It's just karma of the second link.

[Speaker 1]
So if it said yupech here. Let's do it next time because we're cutting into somebody else's time. But he quotes Pramana Vartika.

And I'll just say it quickly. We'll hit it again next time. This has got to be numb.

I think this is numb. We'll have to look it up. Okay.

I'll put a question mark. They have won the battle over And you see, this could be karma or over. And I think it is over.

They have won the victory over The link number eight that's acting as a trigger for link number ten. And therefore, they cannot project new karma. Because they have finished off what must always accompany it.

We'll talk about it later. Tlenchik chepa as opposed to nyerlengi gyu. Contributing factor.

So this is tlenchik chepa here is tlenchik chepa, contributing factor. They have finished off the contributing factor. So the karma that they do have cannot do anything.

Because they don't have eight. And then they don't have ten. We'll talk about it later.

Thank you. Thanks for doing it even though you're sick.