«Дар освобождения», курс 14 «Красота учителя», занятие 3

[Говорящий 1] (0:00 - 0:44)
So, try to understand that meditation. Do you have any questions about it? Four kinds of space, yes please.

Do you have a microphone for it? I love to hear Spanish and Chinese together. It tastes like special food.

My question was, since we've created all the trees that we see around us, when we go into that meditation and we're lying on the grass and the trees we see at that point, I understand that. However, when we go to the next... Do you want to repeat that?

[Говорящий 2] (0:45 - 0:45)
Good.

[Говорящий 1] (0:46 - 0:48)
However, when we go to the next... Oh, yeah, you should pause.

[Говорящий 2] (0:48 - 0:52)
Yeah, it's better if you make short sentences, then it's easier to translate.

[Говорящий 1] (1:02 - 1:16)
However, when we go into the next deeper space, I'm not sure I understood that, because I see the same trees because I believe that I have made those trees.

[Говорящий 2] (1:17 - 1:18)
That was right?

[Говорящий 1] (1:35 - 5:03)
Good question, and I'm happy you asked it. I'd like to give the example, if you have a partner, or you ever had a partner, you know about this thing I'm about to talk about. So, you are working all day at your job, and you are really tired, and you're thinking, okay, five o'clock comes, you feel so happy.

Now I can go home. It means home is supposed to be better than the job. Then you come home, you know.

You think, oh, I can see my husband, or my wife, or my partner. And I always, when I went to work, I have one bag. I carry my laptop and all my things in there, you know.

And I used to work in New York, so you always have a coat on, because it's always cold. Then you come home, you see the door of your house. You feel happy.

Inside is warm. Inside dinner is waiting, maybe. Then you open the door, you know, like that, you know, not like this, you know.

And then it's warm, and the smell of the house that you love, it hits you. And you put down your bag, and you put down your job also, you see. You take off your coat.

Then you're looking for your partner, you know. Then they walk in quickly to the kitchen, you know. And they're like, why the hell did you leave the door unlocked today, you know?

Like that, they start yelling at you, you know. And you're like, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. I just got home.

I'm so tired. I worked all day. I didn't have time to do anything wrong yet.

And you are, already you are yelling at me, you know. Then in English we say, it's like one word. You're yelling at me for no reason at all.

You are yelling at me for no reason at all. Then that partner who is yelling for no reason at all, in that moment in the kitchen, there are two partners.

[Говорящий 2] (5:06 - 5:07)
Two husbands.

[Говорящий 1] (5:08 - 5:28)
Okay. One exists for no reason at all. One is yelling for no reason at all.

Okay, and then who's the other one? That's the one that you made.

[Говорящий 2] (5:29 - 5:40)
Come from your seeds. Because you yelled at the children last week for no reason at all.

[Говорящий 1] (5:41 - 5:41)
Okay.

[Говорящий 2] (5:42 - 5:46)
Now there's two husbands in the room.

[Говорящий 1] (5:47 - 5:50)
One is yelling at you because you yelled at your children last week.

[Говорящий 2] (5:54 - 6:01)
In the same place, in the same space, there's another husband.

[Говорящий 1] (6:03 - 6:10)
And that's the one, I forgot which one, no reason at all? Yeah, that's the one you, not your fault, not your fault.

[Говорящий 2] (6:12 - 6:18)
There's one which is your fault, and there's one which is not your fault.

[Говорящий 1] (6:18 - 6:44)
Okay, there's always two. When you feel upset, there are always two. And one of them doesn't exist, cannot exist, never existed, will never exist.

And that's the one that's for no reason at all.

[Говорящий 2] (6:48 - 6:55)
And where that second one is standing, there's a space.

[Говорящий 1] (6:59 - 8:16)
Because he's not there. And you have to go to this space slowly, okay? It will take some time.

Don't worry, you have five, six more days. I'm not kidding. To find this space, you have five or six more days.

Okay? And that space, if you find that space, you will reach a day when you cannot get upset, when no one can upset you. That's almost the definition of nirvana, right?

When you reach a space where nothing and nobody can upset you, you reach nirvana. We'll talk more. We will talk more about it.

Okay? We're not finished. But each day I will take your question.

You just, you have to understand something.

[Говорящий 2] (8:21 - 8:26)
In the monastery, they have a very interesting custom.

[Говорящий 1] (8:28 - 9:56)
You know, we are always debating, you know? Sometimes twice a day, sometimes once a day. It changes every day.

Sometimes maybe two, three hours in the morning, and then three or four hours in the evening. Then every other day, just in the evening. And one day a week we get vacation off.

Jewish people, Jewish people get Saturday off. Christian people get Sunday off. The Buddhist monks in my monastery get Tuesday off.

This is the market day in the local village. You can buy food. But during the first half of the evening debate, it's not ...

the second half is a group debate. And you debate with your class members. Maybe my class started with 60 people.

In the end there are four. So you debate with your classmates.

[Говорящий 2] (9:59 - 10:04)
But the first half of the debate, it's one-on-one.

[Говорящий 1] (10:06 - 11:30)
And you're not allowed to debate with someone who is in your own class. So if you're a freshman, if you're in your ninth year or something, you have to debate with someone who's a senior, thirteenth year. Then that debate is very strange.

Any subject you debate, it's comfortable for the other guy. And he gets a very good chance to review something he studied four years ago. But then you're supposed to answer questions about something you never heard of in your life.

And sometimes they take you to the advanced class. They take you to the ten years ahead of you, and you have to sit there for two, three hours. And you have no idea what they're talking about.

For two, three hours you have no idea what they're talking about. But we're supposed to do this. It's an exercise.

[Говорящий 2] (11:33 - 11:44)
Some ideas you cannot understand for two, three, four years, five years, ten years.

[Говорящий 1] (11:44 - 11:46)
Even if someone explains it to you clearly.

[Говорящий 2] (11:51 - 11:52)
It's too deep.

[Говорящий 1] (11:55 - 12:31)
So you just have to go and sit there for two, three hours. And you try to catch what ... They teach you to be patient.

Americans, they want to know, tell me right now, just tell me, tell me, just tell me. Then in the monastery they say, you're going to sit in that class, for five years, you won't know anything. You won't understand anything.

Then be patient.

[Говорящий 2] (12:32 - 12:36)
Every day you go, you are planting seeds.

[Говорящий 1] (12:37 - 13:21)
And suddenly after five years you're like, now I understand. So they teach you some kind of patience about deep ideas. And you chip away at it every day.

You just, you do, chip, chip, chip. It's like a big stone and you have a small hammer. And then one day you just understand.

We're trying to do it in six or seven days. I think we can do it.

[Говорящий 2] (13:21 - 13:21)
We're trying to do it.

[Говорящий 1] (13:25 - 13:33)
But don't be impatient and listen carefully and just with your small hammer, just chip, chip.

[Говорящий 2] (13:43 - 13:51)
When they put me in the debate ground first day, I didn't understand one word.

[Говорящий 1] (13:51 - 14:54)
I didn't understand one word for four hours. Then I'm like, you know, and I didn't understand one word. I asked my friend, what was the show at the end?

Then he says, show me an example. Then I went home. I went to bed.

I said, I learned one word today. Then you have to keep going back. Then one day you'd start, you understand everything.

It takes a while. But that's a Buddhist way to learn.

[Говорящий 2] (14:54 - 14:59)
It's patience and chip, chip.

[Говорящий 1] (15:02 - 15:02)
Okay.