Пустота: глубокое погружение (2010, Лос-Анджелес), занятие 1

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So I like to tell the story, I was, I had never been much out of Arizona when I was a kid. And so when I got the presidential thing, I had to go to Washington. And they put me on a plane and it stopped in Chicago, right?

Then it was going to go to Washington. And it was a big deal for me and I was really happy. And we took off, all my friends came to the airport, my high school friends.

And then I flew and then we were outside of Chicago and we were supposed to land. And then we were all having fun and we were, you know, I was really excited. And we were goofing around in the airplane and looking at all the movies and, you know, eating.

In those days they gave you food. And it was, it was really exciting. And then we got to, over Chicago and it was very overcast.

And then it took a long, they said we're descending, but then it took a long time to descend. And, you know, we were starting to wonder what was going on. And they were saying, oh, there's traffic, a lot of traffic.

And they kept going around in circles, you know. And it took longer and longer. And then we were starting to get a little concerned.

And then they started to climb, very straight, like almost straight up. They started to climb like really high. And then they came over the peak of the climb and they shot the plane down, like straight down.

And then they pulled out of this dive like this, you know, like it would go, and then it would go, you know, more like, you know. And it happened like three, four times. And we thought maybe something really bad is going on, you know.

And then we were all getting really nervous. And the stewardesses were obviously disturbed, you know. They were looking not so good.

And they were coming up and down the aisle and poking their head in the cabin and coming back again. And then after a couple of these dives, then the pilot came on, you know. And he said, there's a problem with the airplane.

And he said, we can't tell if the landing gear are down. We can't tell if the landing gear are coming down. The light on the board says it's not down.

And we tried to shake it down to see if it would lock and then the light would go off. But it didn't go off. So there's an emergency light on.

We don't know if the landing gear are down. Then we're going to buzz the control tower. And they're going to try to see if our landing gear are down, you know.

So he came down really close to the ground. And then he buzzed by the control tower. And then he went back up.

And we're all like, ah, you know. He got on and he said, it's so overcast, we can't see the landing gear. And we don't know if the landing gear are down, you know.

So then he said, we're going to work on it. And we'll get back to you. And they kept circling, you know.

And they kept circling. And then finally, the stewardesses started coming to the cabin and saying, you know, you might want to. This is how you take an emergency landing posture.

Cover your head. We have a problem. It's not getting better.

We're going to circle until the fuel runs out. Until the fuel is almost gone. Because if we crash land and if the fuel spills out, then there'll be less burning, you know.

And we're like, OK. And now everything is getting tense. Everything is getting really tense inside the plane.

And then the stewardesses come through. One stewardess broke down at that point. She started crying.

She started bawling. She laid down in the front. And we're all like, ah, you know.

And then it was very intense. And then they were like, OK, you've got to practice getting your head down. Take your shoes off because they might melt.

All jewelry off because it will burn through your fingers, you know. And people were writing letters to their loved ones and stuffing them in the... You know, it's funny because if the plane burns...

Anyway. But we were stuffing them in there. And it was getting really tense.

And then we just had to wait. There wasn't anything to do. Like for half an hour, 45 minutes, we just flew in circles, you know.

And then everybody was nervous and everybody was looking around. And then someone started to cry. And then someone got up from the other side and came over and hugged them, you know.

And then somebody else started to cry. And then somebody else got up and went over and hugged them. And then everybody was...

Either you were breaking down or you were hugging. And everybody in the plane... This really weird thing, you know.

This thing was happening in the plane where everybody was hugging everybody else, you know. It was beautiful. It was the most beautiful thing.

Complete strangers were hugging each other and consoling each other and saying, you know, Well, if this is it, you know, I'm glad I knew you. And, you know, it was really weird. And all this love pouring out of the whole plane.

It was really, really beautiful. And I never felt anything like that. I never saw anything like that.

Everybody in the plane was loving everybody else in the plane unconditionally, you know. I could die in 10 minutes with you. And let's spend the last 10 minutes with a hug, you know.

It was just... Everybody just wanted to hug everybody. It was really beautiful.

And then they said, OK, stop the hugging. We're going down, you know. And get down in your position.

So you were down like this in the seat. And you couldn't see anybody else. And you were just by yourself.

And then, you know, you're just listening to see what happens. And they came down and they hit the ground. And then we looked out.

First of all, you saw foam. They had foamed the whole runway. There was these big bubbles like bubble bath.

And then there was two lines of vehicles, you know, along the runway. There was a whole line of ambulances. And there was a line of hearses, you know, on either side of the runway.

And then we're all like looking out at these hearses and ambulances. And then we're like... And the pilot's like, the goddamn thing held, you know.

We have... The wheels are down and they held, you know. And then everybody's like, oh man, you know.

And then we got to the gate. And then everybody jumps up and like, I gotta get to a plane. You know, I gotta...

Get out of my way. We're like, what happened to the hugs? It was really sad.

Everybody just forgot, you know. And I don't know, but it was... For me, it was the closest thing I can think of.

When you say bodhichitta, when you say love, true love. Then for me, I felt like I had experienced it there in the plane. You know, and everybody was really hoping that the other person would have a good life or a good death.

And it was true love was flying to the plane on that night. But then sometimes I think about that night and I think, what's the difference right now, you know, between you and me and those people on the plane, you know. We don't know if we won't...

We're gonna die. I mean, unless extraordinary practices are done. We're in the plane all the time, you know.

We're going down in the plane all the time. And why don't we have this kind of brotherhood feeling of people who are sinking in the same... Like the Titanic, you know, like we're all going down.

So why don't we have this... We all know we're going to die. So why don't we have this kind of...

What do you call it? Affection for each other. Because we know everyone in the room is suffering.

And we know that this life normally would lead to dying. So why don't we have this kind of affection for each other? Why do we get jealous of each other?

Why do we strive against each other? Why do we struggle and compete with each other when we're all in the same plane, you know? It's like complaining about the penis on the way down.

So sometimes I think about that. And then sometimes I have this vision of a whole world of people who are loving each other. And a world of people who work against death itself.

You see? A whole planet where death itself... The whole united people on the planet are working together against death itself.

You know? I think about that a lot. And then I can see...

I can imagine... I can see sometimes a world of people who don't have to die. Or who are not going to die.

And who are feeling that feeling with each other all the time, you know? And then it happens in my mind that I see that there are many other worlds, you know? It's kind of silly to think this is the only one, right?

There's got to be other worlds, right? And then I think of all those worlds also becoming places where there's no death. And there's no suffering.

And people are like mentally hugging each other all the time, you know? So, try to imagine a world where it's like that airplane. And everyone would just hug everybody all the time, you know?

Try to imagine a world like that. And then spread it to all the stars in the sky. Where there are certainly other worlds, you know?

We're not obviously the only people around, you know? So, then imagine countless worlds full of that kind of love. That kind of harmony.

And in the Buddhist path, you can cause that to happen. You can do certain practices in your life. You can do certain daily practices.

And that will come to be. They are advertised as causing that kind of world. And it doesn't stop in one world, it goes to many worlds.

So, according to the Buddhist teachings, you can, with your daily practice, cause the world to be like that, you see? And we've talked about it for a couple of days now. People who came to...

We even have business seminars, okay? Which is just a sneaky way to get people to do these practices. We were there last week.

And they're having a very bitter strike. 40,000 employees. 14,000 of them are going out on strike.

And the management asked if we could go and help. And so we had to put on business clothes. And we had to use the language of corporations.

But this is a very subtle way to reach normal people. So we put on our coats and ties. And we didn't mention karma.

We said mental seeds. We didn't say emptiness. We said potential.

And we went to British Air. And we gave a presentation to some of the board and some of the unions of British Air. And at the end of an hour and a half, something...

They all like jumped up and said, Alright, let's do it, you know? So... The business talks we've given for the last few days are sort of...

What do you call it? Sheeps and wolves clothing? But we were talking in those classes.

We were talking about how to get normal kinds of success through mental seeds. You know, you want financial success. You want to build a quarter billion dollar company while...

You know, in your spare time. While you're doing the Geshe degree in India. Could you plant seeds to create a quarter billion dollar company in your free time?

And then... Could you... I used to have a birth defect in my foot.

A twisted bone. And... So I used the diamond cutter method to...

On my foot. And now I do ballet. Last year I got the girl up.

And it was really exciting. And I'm old, okay? And I couldn't do that when I was 20.

So you can use those seeds on your body. You can remove diseases from your body. You can make your body strong.

If you know the seeds. Ask me in the break. Okay.

And then we were talking about seeds for a partner. Seeds for a nice relationship. Which is planted by...

Basically, seeds for money. If you want to make the fastest growing manufacturing company in the history of New York City. You...

You develop a charity by which you can give money to Tibetan refugees. And if you want to fix the bone in your foot. You help sick people in a certain way.

Selectively. With knowledge. You help sick people.

In a special way. That you have to learn. It takes time.

And then if you want to have a beautiful partner. Like the most exquisite divine partner in the world. Then you have to help lonely people.

This is the seed. The mental seed for finding a beautiful partner is... Is to help lonely people.

So this whole week we've been... This last two weeks we've been in London. 40,000.

We're gonna be doing those programs for the 40,000 employees. And then we came here. And we did these, you know, business talks.

Supposedly business talks. And so tonight is the last night we're here. Tomorrow morning we leave for Paris.

And we're doing talks there. And it's pretty easy to grasp all that. You can design your future.

You can plant a garden in this world of what you would like to become. And then it will come of its own accord. You plant the seeds and you relax.

And the things you hope for in your life come. We were even talking today. I mean we got finished with the money, the health and the girl.

And then we went to creativity. What are the seeds for creativity? Or for finding your passion in life?

How do you rekindle your passion for life? And a passion for some kind of career. How do you find the thing that you most love to do?

And how do you find a thing to love to do if you don't love anything to do? And how do you rekindle a kind of excitement about your life that you have lost over the years? And we talked about those seeds earlier today.

And those seeds are celebrating other people's successes. So I'm not going to go into detail. You can listen to the recording.

There's some kind of recording deal going on. You can get it for free. You can listen to that.

So what's left to talk about? Those are all intellectual understandings of an idea called emptiness. And we talked about it.

We did the famous pen thing. Do you have a pen? Here's a 30-second primer on emptiness.

And if you understand it, you can change the ball on your foot. Or you can make a quarter-billion-dollar company in your spare time to help refugees. Or you can find the boy.

Or you can rekindle your passion for life. You can re-find your passion in life. So if you understand the pen.

So I'll just go through it one more time for the one person here who wasn't there. What is this thing? Yeah, you can say pen.

I'm not tricking you, okay? One guy was insisting it wasn't a pen. I think he was in Florida one day.

Which makes sense, right? So I said, come up here and I'll give you a Saddam Hussein mustache. And he didn't come up.

But anyway, this is a pen. But if a dog comes in the room and he comes up on this page and I wave this thing in front of the dog, what will he do? The dog will grab it like this, right?

The dog will chew on it. For the dog, this is a... You can call it a chew toy, okay?

For the dog, this thing is a chew toy. Who's right, the dog or the human? You can say both.

I'm not trying to trick you, okay? You can answer. It just makes sense, okay?

Just say what makes sense. Is it a chew toy? Who's right, the dog or the human?

Yeah, so can we say that this has a potential to be a pen and it has an equal potential to be a chew toy, right? So can we say then that the chew toy or the pen is not coming from its side? It must be coming from the side of the observer, right?

The person who's observing it. If you have four legs and a tail, you see something to chew on. If you have two arms and two legs and you walk around, then you see a pen, okay?

So that is a simple proof of emptiness, okay? What do you mean by emptiness? What do you mean when you say emptiness?

By the way, you have to understand this because if you do, you can get all the aforementioned things, okay? You can make a quarter billion dollar company in your free time. You can become a ballet dancer at the age of 100.

You can find the most beautiful partner in the world. You can find the second most beautiful, okay? And then the last one, you know, you can rekindle your passion in life.

You can find new things in life, okay? You can do all those things if you understand the pen. So you've got to understand the pen.

If I take this object and I set it down on the stage and all the people leave the room and all the dogs leave the room, then what's there? He did this. There's a debate in Buddhism, you know.

Does the Buddha need to speak to teach? And they say, no. And they say, why?

And they say, because he can go. So, you know, he did it. I asked, what's on the stage?

And then he just went like that, which is nothing, okay? He's saying nothing, okay? And at that point, it's nothing.

You can't vote for pen. You can't vote for Chutoi. It's just there.

And it's not either one yet because the dog didn't walk in yet and the human didn't walk in yet. There's a potential for either one. Either one is available in that place.

So you can think of emptiness as potential. You can think of it as availability. You can think of it as a blank screen, okay?

No problem. You can think of all those things. But that's emptiness, okay?

It's not that you close your eyes and everything is black. It's not that you close your eyes and try to think about nothing. It's not that everything is illusion and it doesn't matter whether you kick somebody or kiss somebody.

Okay? That's not emptiness. Emptiness means everything could be anything, just depends on who's looking.

Got it? So how do we establish that the thing is coming from your mind? It must be, okay?

It's not coming from its side. If it was a pen from its side, then the dog would write. If it was a chew toy from its side, then you would be salivating uncontrollably at this moment.

Okay? It's neither one from its own side. It must be coming from you somehow.

Okay? And then we said, we've been saying the last few days, you see what you plant. You plant a seed in your mind, that seed ripens in your mind, matures in your mind, it comes out of your subconscious, and it affects how you see a thing.

It changes how you see a thing. So if you are generous to people, if you give money habitually to help people, then you see business opportunities that other people don't see. And you get wealthy.

Okay? If you plant a seed of helping the sick, helping the ill, then your own foot changes. The bone in your foot changes shape.

And if you make it a point or a habit to visit the lonely, the elderly, the people who have no one else, then you create seeds in your mind that you go to Starbucks and you sit there and the boy comes in and sits down next to you. And you don't have to go to a club and you don't have to go on the internet, you just sit in a Starbucks and wait. And he will come.

I've done it. Not a boy, okay? But you can do that, okay?

So that's the practical side of emptiness. Now, Malasuka Center, being Maha, big, they said, can you go deeper, you know? You know, the weak is for the normal people.

Now you're on the last night in LA. We leave tomorrow morning. Can you take us on a deep dive into emptiness, you know?

Is there a deeper... There's a much deeper teaching on emptiness. And I don't give it often.

I give it once every four or five years. Or less. So, on the request of the Mahasukis, I'm going to go a little bit deeper, alright?

So don't get nervous. If you haven't been studying courses for a while, and I go over your head, just try to catch what you can. There's a custom in the monastery, where the freshmen go to the senior classes for a week.

And they don't understand anything, what's going on. But they say, sit there. And seeds are put in your mind for the future, okay?

So, if it's all incomprehensible to you, just relax. Let it come into your mind. It will ripen later, okay?

It's one thing to understand emptiness when someone gets up and explains it with a pen. That's a certain kind of experience of emptiness. Have you experienced emptiness?

Yes. When? When he shook his head.

At the point where he shook his head. What's your name? Sam?

Sal. When he shook his head, it meant we understood emptiness. We got an understanding.

We had an experience of emptiness. Have you had an experience of emptiness? Yeah.

Yeah. It's an experience which was triggered by someone explaining emptiness, okay? You've had the ideas, and you had sort of an idea understanding of emptiness, okay?

There's a deeper level. There's a much deeper level of the experience of emptiness. And that's the direct experience of emptiness.

So, tonight I wanted to talk about that. And one of the special teachings which triggers that experience, okay? So, maybe the most powerful way of triggering the direct experience.

The direct experience is different from the intellectual experience. You're sitting in a chair. You shake your head.

It means you just had an experience of emptiness, but it was intellectual, okay? Then there's an experience which happens in deep meditation, okay? You must be in a very deep state of meditation.

And then you have an experience of emptiness. And that's a different thing, okay? We call it direct perception of emptiness.

That's a whole different thing. It's like the difference between reading about ice cream and licking ice cream, okay? It's a big difference, right?

It's a totally different experience. It's the direct experience of emptiness, okay? Something happens to you when you have that experience, which takes like typically 15, 20 minutes, okay?

It only takes 15 or 20 minutes. When that happens to you, a deep and lasting and incontrovertible change occurs in your being, okay? Something changes within you, which can never go back again.

You can never go back again. And you become what they call, in Sanskrit they call Arya, okay? Hither use the word Arya.

It was a very terrible thing. In Sanskrit, Arya does mean superior one, different one, set apart. Arya means set apart, okay?

And when you see emptiness directly, then you become Arya. Arya means you are a different level of evolution. You're a whole different level of evolution.

You are as different from a normal human being as a normal human being is different from an ant, okay? You are as different from a normal being, normal person, human, as a human is from an ant, okay? Then they have words in Tibetan and Sanskrit to describe people who haven't seen emptiness.

And they call them Chiba. Chiba means infant. We were saying today, you might translate it as three-year-old.

We say, you're acting like a three-year-old, right? So, a babe in arms, she's already past Chiba, okay? Bella is already past Chiba.

Chiba means clueless, okay? Clueless. So, you can think that in normal way, everyone in the world, almost everybody in the world is Chiba, okay?

They haven't had that experience. If you undergo that experience once in your life for 20 minutes, then you are on the way to creating the worlds that we talked about when we talked about the airplane, okay? Then you are close, very, very, very close to the ability to make this world a single world of peace and harmony and no death.

You're very close to being able to guide an entire planet to deathlessness. You see? You would be like Super Jesus, you know?

You would come to the world with this understanding and you could change the whole globe quickly, okay? You would have that... If you saw emptiness once, directly, you would have that power to come to a world and change the entire world and eliminate, eradicate death, disease, war, hunger, poverty in this planet.

Like Jesus, but better, okay? Like, you could pull it off. If you saw emptiness once, for 20 minutes, in one lifetime, right?

In this lifetime, if you could pull it off, you would have that... Your whole being would change and you would be a different... You'd be like an angel or something like that, okay?

And you'd be a higher form of life, okay? Because you would have that capacity to change the whole globe. So, it would be cool, right?

If someone could show you how to do it, or at least give you the... the information you need to pull it off. If someone could give you a serious presentation on that, that got you close to that, then that would be an evening well spent.

You see? Because then your whole being would change. Your whole...

You would become a person that could single-handedly save the globe, okay? So, just think like that, okay? That's what we're trying to do tonight.

The goal tonight is to speak about the immediate causes that would help you see this emptiness thing directly within your lifetime, in this lifetime, okay? And according to Buddhism, you've lived billions of... you know, countless lifetimes, billions and billions of lives.

And then you could change in this lifetime. You have in this center, and you have in this tradition, you have that teaching. The teaching is there.

What I'd like to do tonight is make it sort of accessible to you, so that you could maybe pull it off in this lifetime, okay? So, it's big stakes that we're dealing with. It's a very important talk.

It's a most important... It's a very good request to ask for this subject. So, buckle down, okay?

And just hang in there and stay with me. Because there's big... The world is at stake, okay?

The world is at stake. Here we go. So, I would talk about the supporting causes first, okay?

There's certain stuff that if you're doing it, you're more likely to see emptiness, all right? So, there's a preparation. There's kind of a warm-up.

Before you run the race, you know, you do the stretches and you do the jogging around. There are supporting activities that you can do that will prepare you to have this 20-minute experience, okay? There are other things you can do.

Maybe the... One of the most important of them is serving other people, okay? One of the most important of them is serving other people.

To soften your heart to see emptiness directly, you must be serving other people, okay? Nothing like major. You are taking old people to the grocery store.

You are visiting people who got sick. You are helping out people who are fixing the floor in the house, you know? You are in the store and you let someone else go in front of you in the line, you know?

But your attitude in life is that you are serving other people and you are taking opportunities to help other people. You don't have to be a Mother Teresa. You don't have to organize an international refugee project.

You just make it a way of life that in small ways, you serve the elderly. You still serve the sick. You help children who are confused or, you know, ignored.

And you make it a way of life to be kind, okay? So kindness is a prerequisite to see emptiness directly, alright? Plain old, normal kindness to little people is a very high spiritual practice to see emptiness directly, okay?

That's one. Two, you have to be meditating on a regular basis. It's not possible to see this object unless you are in a deep state of meditation.

If you cannot enter a deep state of meditation, you have disqualified yourself. You will never become the savior of this planet. It's not possible, okay?

So you must be, you must have a daily meditation practice. If you don't have one now, come to my Asuka Center, they will give one to you. And they will, you know, they will grant you, they will supply you with a daily meditation practice.

You must have it, or you cannot be of real benefit to other people, okay? You know, we think, oh, I'm going to help others. I should be running around, you know?

I should be a big help to others, I should be running around more. But really, if you want to be a big help to others, you should sit down and meditate. Learn to sit down and meditate.

You must be able to maintain about a one hour meditation. Strong, solid, unmoving, deep, one hour meditation. What's the test of that degree of concentration?

Somebody can bring a McDonald's french fry into the room and place it in front of your nose and you don't smell it. Okay? Because you're so deep.

And someone can slam a door and you don't hear it. Okay? Really.

Someone can touch your arm and you don't feel it. You are so deep in the meditation that you're out of your senses. You see what I mean?

You have, in yoga they call it pratyahara, right? You are withdrawn from the outer senses. So, that's the, if you don't get near that level of meditation, you cannot, you do not have a hope of seeing emptiness directly.

It cannot happen. Okay? So that's a, that's a, you got to be kind to other people and you have to reach that degree of meditation.

Third thing, if you can find a teacher, okay? If you can find your heart teacher, alright? And, everybody has a different heart teacher.

You know? You have to find the one that suits you. Heart teachers are like gloves, you know?

And you don't try to sell a, a size 8 glove to a size 6 hand. You know, you can't, you have to search your world and your life for your heart teacher. And you, you have to, you must undertake this quest.

Without your heart teacher, you can't do it. You need a heart teacher. You must find a heart teacher, okay?

And, and they could be anybody, you know? It could be your high school boyfriend. It could be your mother.

It could be your son. It could be your dog. It could be a guy dressed up in a Tibetan red lama suit.

You know? But don't, don't assume what they're gonna look like. And, you know, your heart teacher is the one you find who, who has that connection with you.

And, regardless of how other people see them, you see them as special. And you experience them as special, okay? And, everybody can find a heart teacher.

And you, my, what I'm telling you, uh, find them at all costs, okay? Find them at all costs. I'll tell you what all costs means.

I, I grew up in Phoenix, but we used to live in San Diego in the summer. And, uh, I surfed a lot. And, my goal after college was to move to Del Mar, which had the best surf in California.

And, rent a room, and surf all day, you know, or most of the day, you know? Like, I had a plan after graduation, you know? Like, I would move to Del Mar, and I would surf, you know?

And, and, uh, then I ended up studying in India, and I met His Holiness. Uh, I had a long talk with His Holiness. And I said, you know, tell me what to do, and I'll do it.

First of all, I said, I want to stay with you forever. And then he said, you can't stay here. You have to go back to America.

So I said, okay, well tell me, who's, who's a good teacher in America, you know? He said, Geshe Losantachi. He said, you go study with Geshe Losantachi.

I said, where is he? He said, New Jersey. Then I was like, you know, tell me Kentucky, tell me Iowa, but New Jersey, you know, not New Jersey.

I can't do it. Any place but New Jersey, you know? You know what they call New Jersey in New Jersey?

They call it the armpit of the nation. and, uh, I, and in my mind, in my heart, I was like, this is the ultimate test, you know? Can I give up Del Mar for New Jersey?

And, and I did, okay? I, I went to New Jersey, like the one place I hated the most in the world, uh, because the teacher was there, okay? So, in the quest for your heart teacher, uh, it, it overrules all other considerations.

You could even give up Del Mar for New Jersey. And I stayed in New Jersey for, uh, 25 years, okay? Uh, lived with him.

So, I'm just saying, you gotta find a heart teacher. Then you have to serve that teacher, okay? You have to serve that teacher.

I cooked for my lama for eight years. I drove his car. I bought his groceries.

I washed his clothes. I did his social security. I, you know, built his house.

I, I, I paid for his house and I built his house with my hands. And, and that's, you gotta, you know, when you find your own heart teacher, then surrender to them and, and give them everything you have. I, the first day I met him, I brought him my bank book, you know, with all my money.

And I said, I made him momos, okay? Momos are Tibetan dumplings. I, I spent all day I made him momos, you know?

And I, and I came to the monastery and I knew some little Tibetan from India. So, I came to the monastery and I said, Nga Sangye Go, you know? And then I said, here are momos for your master, you know, please accept me as a student.

And, here's my bank book and I'll need a place to sleep, any place each day I'll sleep, you know? I said, these are my four requests to you. So, he looks at me and he says, do you know what Nga Sangye Go means?

I said, yes. It means, I would like to study and become enlightened. And then he said, oh, I see.

And then he said, what are these things? I said, they are Tibetan dumplings and I have cooked them for you, you know? And I worked all day on them and they have, you know, whole wheat and everything, you know?

And then, he said, what's this thing? I said, that's my bank book, that's everything I have in the world. He threw it back at me.

He just threw it at me. He said, I don't need your money, you know? And he never charged me a penny my whole life.

For 30 years he taught me, he didn't charge me, right? Never took money from me. Then, the last thing he said, what was the last thing?

Oh, I said, I need a place to sleep. He said, I can't help you. I'll teach you, but that's your problem.

And that was it, you know? Nothing. And then later he told me, you know, the first, 30 years later, he said, you know, you came to me on the first day, you said, Natsangika, he said, do you know what you said to me on the first day?

I said, I don't know. You said, I want Buddha. And then he said, do you remember those, the food you gave me?

And I said, yeah, I worked all day on it. He says, I took it, I ate one bite and I took it out and threw it in the woods, you know? And he used to make fun of me like that.

So, you have to have a teacher to serve. It's not for the teacher, okay? He didn't need me.

People gave him houses and he just refused. He didn't need anything. He didn't need me, for sure.

But you have to give yourself away to the teacher, okay? And I'm not talking Colby, and I'm not talking like that. I'm talking, if you want to see a world, if you want to bring the world to that, you need to find your heart teacher.

You must find your heart teacher, okay? That's one of the requirements, okay? If you want to see this thing happen, or you can just go on like you are and get old and die and die, you know.

Whatever you're working for right now will be taken by your children and they'll waste it in one year, trust me, okay? Then the last thing you need is to study. You know, obviously the teacher should be qualified.

And they should be able to teach you what you need to know. And you must find a teacher like that, okay? They must be able to teach you what you need to know.

And you must undertake study with them, you know. This is, you must try to understand emptiness in an intellectual way, over and over again. There's a joke in Tibet, you have to hear the pen thing 3,000 times.

So some of my students are up to 2,800 or something. You must, you must hear the pen thing over and over again, okay? Under the influence of those conditions, kindness towards others, plain old normal kindness, and under the conditions of learning to meditate, and under the conditions of finding your heart teacher, and under the condition of proper and authentic study, then you will have an experience of emptiness.

You can have an experience of emptiness. So now, we want to talk about, in Tibet, it's called Jorlong Chö Chö. These are the final moments, the final, the final few hours before you see emptiness.

What happens? You know, what's the process? What goes on in the final few hours?

And this is a very unique teaching, okay? What, what goes on? What happens in the final hours before you have this experience which allows you to become a person who can save countless worlds, okay?

What happens exactly? You know? So, for this, you have to know Chö Chö Dag, okay?

Say, Chö Chö Dag. Chö Chö Dag. Chö Chö Dag is a special subject, okay, of Buddhism.

It's buried in a subject called Pramana. Pramana is the study of how a human being thinks and how we see things, okay? Sometimes they call it the study of logic, but it's more than logic.

It's the study of how do you perceive a thing? How do you see a thing as a thing? What goes on in your mind when you see a thing as a thing?

And, and Je Tsongkhapa's disciple, Je Tsongkhapa had a disciple named Kyrgyzstan. He wrote a book. It's Course 13.

Everybody hates Course 13. That's why it's 13. And, Course 13 is syllogism.

How do you prove something? How to think. How to think in the mind, right?

And why do you see something when you, when you look at something, why do you recognize that thing? What goes on in your mind when you make a decision or when you see something, okay? That study is called Pramana.

Pramana was a study, was a subject that became very popular around 650 AD, 7th century in India. Somebody named Master Dharmakirti wrote a long, boring book, seven long, boring books, short, boring books. And then he explained how you see things, how you experience stuff, what happens when you see something.

He taught that. That's considered a lower school of Buddhism. Those of, okay, those of you who are studying Buddhism, the first school is like Abhidharma, okay?

The second school is called the Sutras, the Sutra school, Sautrantika, right? And then the third school is Mind-Only Abhidharma teaches emptiness in a very basic way and the second school teaches emptiness in a sort of dry way, okay? And so people avoid that book and I haven't taught it much.

You know, I was trained in it for many, many years and I worked hard on it and I've only taught it a little bit and I've only, nowadays I only teach it to one or two people who seem to be ready, okay? It's dry, it's hard, it's difficult, but deep inside that school is a subject called Cicada and K.W.J. said, if you think, they call, when I was taught that subject, my Lama said to me, this is the key to the middle way, this is the key to seeing emptiness. You understand this and you can see emptiness, okay?

You understand school number two, you can understand school number four and if you don't, you can't. We were reading, Nyingbo is translating one of the important texts of K.W.J. He's translating probably the most beautiful text on this subject and I said, what did he say about the need to study this subject? You know, I was in Starbucks an hour ago about and I said, Nyingbo, remind me because I remember we translated it a few weeks ago and he said, oh yeah, yeah, let me look it up.

Oh yeah, here's K.W.J., he says, anybody who thinks they can see emptiness without studying the second school is like a person who says they're hungry but they don't like food.

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Okay?

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I'm hungry but I don't like food. I want to see emptiness but I don't want to study Chichedar. I don't want to study course 13.

Okay? Then he, K.W.J. said, you're like a person who's dying of hunger but doesn't feel like eating. Okay?

And then he said, you're like a person who's building a house and then they're, they have to lay the stairway into the house and they choose bubbles as their concrete. Instead of concrete, they use bubbles. So to make a solid stairway into your house, you go to the store and you order bubbles.

You know? And you try to make a stairway out of bubbles. He says, you don't study this subject, you're like a person who builds a house out of foundation out of bubbles.

He's like that. Then he says worse things which I can't tell you. So, so we're on Chichedo.

Okay? I'm not going to take a break. Do you mind?

You can have donuts after. The bake sale will fail. Okay?

Hang in there. All right? I don't, I don't want to break it.

I can't lose your mind. I can't lose your concentration. Okay?

Hang in there. All right? We're just going to go.

Which gets into the clock. Okay? So there's a subject of study in the second school called general and specific.

Okay? General and specific. Say chi.

Chi. Chedak.

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Chedak.

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Chi. Chi. Chedak.

Chedak. General and specific. Set and subset.

Okay? Set and subset. There are three versions.

And now I'm going off. Okay? If you can't stay with us, you can sleep.

Okay? The first version of chi chedak is, this is a clock by the way. I don't even know how to open it.

Yeah. This is a clock. Okay?

The first and most elementary version of chi chedak is that this is a clock. It's a whole clock. And it has parts.

The general, the whole, is the clock. The chedak is the pieces of the clock. You know, the front, the back, the buttons.

Okay? Those are chedak. That's the most elementary way of explaining general and specific.

Chi and chedak. Okay? Then there's a deeper version.

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Okay?

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This is one of all the clocks in the world. Got it? So, if you had a big enough basket and you traveled from continent to continent and you collected all the clocks in the world and you had that big basket with all the clocks in the world and you threw this one in, this would be chedak.

This would be one clock among all the clocks in the world. And that's a higher level of chi chedak. Okay?

That's a different level of chi chedak. Got it? We're not talking about those two.

Okay? Those have nothing to do with what we want to talk about. Okay?

We're going to talk about the highest meaning of chi chedak. And now you've got to hang in there. Okay?

Now you've got to really struggle. And I have to struggle. Because it's difficult to express these ideas in language.

It's difficult to express these ideas in words. So now think of this as clock. Clock.

I just say clock. Look at this thing and I say clock. Clock.

I didn't say a clock. And I didn't say the clock. I just said clock.

Think clock. Think of clock. Is this clock?

Be careful. Is this clock? Clock.

In English we use quotation marks. Is this clock? He says he's a nice guy.

You know? Okay? When you do this thing, right?

Quote, quote, nice guy. This is quote. Is this clock?

Sure? I didn't say is it a clock? Or the clock?

I said is it clock? It's not clock. Okay?

It's not clock. When I put quotation marks around it I'm referring to the word clock. In one sense.

Okay, got that? The word clock. Is this the word clock?

Is this clock? You see? That sound.

Is it the sound clock? Okay? It's not the word clock, right?

It's not clock, right? Is it the idea clock? Is it the idea clock?

The thing in my hand. Is it the idea clock? You can't hold an idea in your hand.

Okay? Ideas are ineffable. They are things within your mind.

You can't hold a... You can hold a clock in your hand. But you can't hold clock.

It's not possible. Clock is an idea, right? Clock is an image in your mind.

So now get used to the idea of clock in your mind. The thought clock. The image clock.

What's that image like? It's the clock you saw when you were three years old and you were in the kitchen and your mother said, look at the clock. And you were like, huh?

And your mother said, look at the clock. And you're like, huh? And she said, clock, clock.

This is clock. This is clock. Okay?

And then you looked at it and you said, clock? And your mom said, no, clock. And you said, clock.

And then you looked at the kitchen clock. I know, the one in my house was on the western wall of the kitchen at 7747 North 17th Avenue in Phoenix. I remember the first clock.

And for me, that's clock. Got it? That's my mother's clock.

Usually it's your mother's clock. Okay? That's, that picture in my mind is clock.

And I have compared all other clocks in my life against that clock. You know? When somebody said, this is a clock, I could, I mentally pulled out the image of my mom's clock and I said, is it like that?

Yeah. I mean, it's pretty close. Yes, it's a clock.

Okay? Got it? In the South Trinitica system, in the second school, they say, when you see a clock, when you recognize it as clock, see, I held it up, right?

And there was enough clock things about it that you thought it was a clock. Okay? It had numbers.

It had those distinctive numbers. It had that double thing between three, two of the numbers. You see?

There was enough stuff about it that was clock-y that you thought it's a clock. In the South Trinitica system, stay with me, okay? I'm demanding that you stay with me.

Or go home. Okay? Stay with me tonight.

It's worth it. Okay? And I'm not gonna stop because it'll blow it.

And no one's gonna walk around, okay, and the baby's not gonna cry. Alright. So, in the South Trinitica system, when someone holds an object up, your mind goes through the whole library, all the library shelves of all the stuff you ever knew.

It pulls out each object. Banana. No.

No. Fan. No.

Car. No. And then it gets the clock.

It gets to your mother's car. It gets to the picture of your mother's clock in your mind. It pulls clock down off the shelf.

It holds it up against this thing and it says, clock. That's it. Okay?

Clock, mayembele, lopa. Say clock.

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Clock.

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Mayembele. Mayembele. Lopa.

Lopa. Clock.

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Clock.

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Sena. Sena. Clock.

Clock. Mayembele. Mayembele.

Lopa.

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Lopa.

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A clock is defined as the opposite of all which is not the clock. Okay? A clock is defined as the opposite of all which is not the clock.

Okay? So, when you want to recognize what an object is, in this school, your mind does this incredibly fast thing, right? It pulls down all the books in the library one by one until it gets the clock.

And then it compares it. It eliminates all the other possibilities. Not a banana.

Not a car. Not a fan. Not right next to a neighbor.

Oh, clock! It's a clock because it looks... It eliminates everything else first and you come to clock.

Okay? Within a millisecond. Like it's supposed to be incredibly fast.

Your mind does that. That clock that you pulled down out of your mind, what's it look like? What's it made of?

Your mom's clock that you pulled down out of your mental library, what's it made of? Memory. It's a mental image.

It's an image in the mind. Right? It's a picture in the mind.

Can we say that's clock? Think carefully. If you care about the gardener's text, that's what he calls nature.

Okay? And then you can figure out the rest yourself. Is that mental picture clock?

Or is it a clock? I don't mean the one that was on your mother's wall. I mean the image in your mind.

The perfect little, perfect original clock. Is that clock to you? Let's say to you.

It is clock to you. It is clock to you. Okay?

Alright? You have an image in your mind of the grandmother of all clocks for you. And you pull that image down and your mind, and you compare it to this.

It has a brightness. It's sel-shing-rik-pa-ship-it-sing-ee. It has a kind of brightness about it.

It's like light. And deep inside of your mind, it's a perfect little image in your mind. It's a bright little picture that you store in your mind.

And whenever you see some object that might be a clock, you compare it to that and you say it's close enough.

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Okay?

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So there's clock and there's egg-clock. Got it? There's clock and there's the clock.

Got it? There's chi and there's che-dan. And that's the real che-chan, chi-che-dan.

Got it? That's the real general and the specific instance. I like to call it, this is very difficult.

If you crack this, you can see emptiness. If you crack this, you are close to emptiness. I call it quality and characteristic.

Rangshin and mukho. You can call it quality and characteristic. Change it from general and specific.

Don't say chi-che-dak. Say quality and characteristic. Take clock as clock-ness.

Okay? Not a clock. Not the clock.

Clock-ness. I just lost half of you. I can tell.

But you gotta get it. You gotta get it. If you get it, you can become like Iron Man.

Okay? You can save the world. Clock-ness.

Okay? Think of clock-ness. I say, that's quality and then this is characteristic of that quality.

This is typical of that quality. This is a manifestation of that quality.

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Okay?

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There's a big universal... What did Jung call it? Archetype.

Archetype. There's an archetype clock. There is the original clock.

There is the picture of a clock. You can call it clock-ness. Okay?

There's a big clock in your mind. Perfect clock. Perfect clock.

Perfect picture of a clock. Okay? The perfect clock.

The model of all clocks. The archetype of all clocks. That's in your mind.

It's just a brightness in your mind. It's a small energy in your mind. It's a mental image in your mind.

It has no... It's not concrete. It's a picture in your mind.

Okay? That's clock-ness. This thing has it.

Okay? This object has that. This object has clock-ness.

This thing is typical of clock-ness. This is a clock. This is the clock.

And that's clock. Or clock-ness. You can say clock and use your fingers.

Or you can say clock. Or you can say clock-ness. Okay?

That's a mental image. Okay? That's a perfect picture of a clock.

How big is it? Now, physically, I don't know, psycho, kinetically, your experience is about this big. Seriously.

If you go deep, deep, deep into meditation and you try to find clock in your mental library and you finally manage to pull it out artificially in a meditation, it'll be about this big. Where is it in your head? Back here.

Okay? I'm not kidding. I mean, it's not really there, right?

And it's not really have any size. But kinetically you feel it. You will experience it as a little picture in the back of your mind.

Okay? You will... The day that you catch yourself The day that you catch yourself seeing clock, you'll catch it in the back of your head.

And it'll be about that big. Okay? So that's clock.

Got it? Is this clock? Is this pen?

Is this a pen? Where is it coming from? Get it?

You have a seed in your mind. It opens. It depends.

A picture in the back of your head. And you put it on this thing. You lay it on this thing.

And then you call this? The pen. Is it the pen by itself?

He's so good at that. Yeah. It's not the pen by itself.

A tiny image rises in your mind. A perfect pen. It's too good.

Okay? Remember what I say. Remember what I just said.

It's too good to be true. It's too perfect. Okay?

For example, it has a back on it. Okay? The pen...

The pen that you put on this thing has a back on it. You feel that there's a back to the... I'm holding it up.

Is there a back to this pen? How do you know that? Why do you think that?

I haven't turned it around yet. Why do you assume it has a back? Why do you think you know what the back looks like?

You see? It's because... Catch this, okay?

Now it's the crux of the whole night. It's 9.14 on August 28th something. At the Mahasuka Center.

And you heard these words, okay? You are just watching the image in your mind. Okay?

You are watching an image in your mind. There is no pen there. Okay?

There is a stick. It is purple. It has a rounded shape.

But what you're looking at right now is not a pen. You are looking at...

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You are looking at a pen.

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Get it, okay? You are looking at a pen. If you get what I just said, you can push yourself into the direct perception emptiness.

Really. And then whole massive changes in your evolution happen within a day. Within 24 hours you become a...

You become a separate class of being. You become like an angel. You become like a divine being.

You become a person who can save a planet or many planets, okay? Just get that one thing. Okay?

Careful. Get it. When I hold this up and you see a pen, you are not seeing a pen.

You are seeing...

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Pen.

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Pen. Where is it? In your mind.

You are looking at a tiny patch in the back of your mind. Okay? You are not looking at it.

You are not looking at a pen. It's not a pen. You are observing pen.

Why? How? Prove it, Geshe Michael.

Because you see a back. You feel there's a back. You sense there's a back.

Your instinct tells you there's a back. There can't be... There is no back here.

You can't prove it. You didn't know that. You didn't see the other side.

You don't know. You are watching this perfect little picture in your head. That has a back.

Okay? That has a back. Right?

That's perfect. It's too perfect. It's too good.

Okay? Get this. I'll take you one more step.

Okay? Don't get lost. Alright?

Don't get lost. And don't get freaked out. Don't go out and stick a pen in your head and die.

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Okay?

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What was I going to say? You can't be seeing the pen. It's not possible.

What you think is going on cannot be going on. Why? To see the whole pen, you would have to look at the top and then you would have to look at the bottom.

Got it? You would have to. You can't confirm that it's a pen.

Is this a pen? No. No.

You look at the... You're just looking at the top, right? You're just looking at the top.

Can you see the pen? Can you see the whole pen without looking at the top? Can you see the whole pen without looking at the top?

Can you see the whole pen without looking at the bottom? When you concentrate on the top, can you see the bottom? But you think you do.

Can you just see the whole pen? No, because if you don't look at the top and you don't look at the bottom, you can't tell if it's a whole pen. Can you see the whole pen?

No. You have to look at the top and then you have to look at the bottom and then you say there's a whole pen there. Okay?

But by the time you get to the bottom, you don't know if there's still a top there. But in your mind you think there is. You say, Geshe-la, it's a whole pen.

Geshe-la, it's a whole pen. That's a proof. That's a tiny little proof.

You ain't looking at a pen. You're looking at a tiny image in your own mind. Okay?

You are looking at a tiny image in your own mind. Now, immediately we have to pull you back from the precipice.

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Okay?

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We have to pull you back from the edge of the stage. Okay? Don't think you're living in your head.

That don't help, immediately. Okay? Don't get confused.

Don't go to the nut house from here. And they say, why are you here? And they say, Geshe-la, I gave this teaching and now I realize all the people I ever met are just in my own head.

You know? And I'm just living in my own head. Even all the pens are in my own head.

You know? Don't think like that. That's wrong.

Okay? That's not the point. That's not the point.

Don't ever think like that. There are other... Gyushen Rupa is one of the books that Chandrakirti wrote.

He took... Dharmakirti. To prove that...

He proved that other people are real. Okay? He wrote a book to prove that other people are real.

Because he didn't want people freaking out. He didn't want people saying, oh my god, Lord Benjamin is just a little image in my mind.

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You know?

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It's so lonely. You know? I'm the only person there.

Everybody else is just a little picture in my head. Don't think like that. Don't think like that.

Is it true that Lord Benjamin is a small picture in your mind? It is true. But it's always been that way.

Can you interact with an independent being called Lord Benjamin who's in your mind? Can you be her friend? Yeah.

And that's all it ever was. Okay? That's all it ever was.

And it's enough to be real. Got it? Kochapa.

It's enough to be real. She's real. She can be your friend.

You can love her. You can relate with her. You can go visit her house.

You can have a friendship with her. She can teach you. And still be an image in your mind.

No problem. Don't worry about that. Don't think like that.

Don't get freaky on her. Okay? Don't do that.

That doesn't help anybody. Okay? That doesn't help anybody.

Now, next question. Let's go back to clock. Where did clock come from?

Why are you seeing a clock? Why did that image pop up in your head? Huh?

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You caught it.

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No, you see, if I held this same object up to the dog, right? He will chew on it. He doesn't see clock.

Why do you see clock? Why is there a picture of clock in your head? And why is there a picture of, you know, something inconvenient to chew on in the dog's head?

Why? Why? Tell me why.

Why are you seeing clock? Why did clock pop up in your head when I held this up? Yeah.

You have a seed in your mind for that. Okay? You have a seed in your mind for that.

Right? A little tiny clock is popping up in the back of your head. Why?

Because you have a seed in your mind for that. Right? How did that seed get there?

Who put it there? You did. How?

That's karma. Okay? That's karma.

What does karma mean? Karma means doing something, saying something, or thinking something, which puts a seed in your mind, which later opens into a... How?

He said, oops, which later opens into clock. Okay? It opens into clock.

You just saw dependent origination, those of you who care. You just perceived dependent origination, the true nature of dependent origination. How does this happen in real life?

How is the final hour before you see emptiness happen? When do you catch yourself with the image thing? Okay?

You are... This is very typical, okay? You got up in the morning.

You've been being kind to people. You've been meditating at least an hour a day. You've been serving your heart teacher, and you've been studying hardcore with Cliff at the ACI LA Center.

Okay? And then you get up in the morning, and you make tea for your heart teacher, because, of course, you're serving them. You know?

And you... Under the influence of those other activities, it has to be, you have to have that support, or it's not going to happen to you, okay? You go to the stove.

You know, you're like, normal day. You're like tired. He's getting up early.

He's one of those llamas. And you put the pot on the stove, and you turn it on, and you step back to wait for the tea to boil. And you look at the pot, and you realize you're looking at an image in your mind.

You know? Something happens. Under the influence of kindness, under the influence of your teacher's blessing, under the influence of your study, and under the influence of constant meditation, you go into another...

Something happens. And you're looking at the thing, and you're saying, oh my god, I'm looking at a picture in my mind. You know?

I'm looking at pot. I'm not looking at the pot, or a pot. I'm looking...

Don't do that. No, really. Negative forces come when this is happening.

Usually the roof falls down. Something bad happens. When you get to this point, okay?

Because it distracts you, right? Focus. You're standing there.

You're looking at this thing, and you say, my god, I'm looking at an image in my own mind. And out there, there's a black... What do you call it?

Stick shape. And out there, there's a round shape. And out there, there's a change in the color from white to silver as you go around the side.

And there's nothing more out there. There's nothing more out there. Okay?

There's a black stick shape. There's a curve. And there's some white.

But the pot is in my mind. That thing suggests a pot to me. A pot pops up in my mind.

And my mind puts it on that thing. And it makes it pot. Is it a pot out there?

Is it a pot? No, it's a bunch of parts. It's a bunch of...

It's a stick. It's a black stick. It's a round shape.

And it's a white silver color. Okay, got it? That's all it ever was.

It was never more. Your eye cannot see a pot. The eye can only detect colors and shapes.

The eye consciousness is incapable. The rods and cones in the eye cannot make a judgment about what an object is. It's not possible.

The cones and rods in the eye can only detect shape and color. You can't be seeing a pot. Even in science, you can't be seeing a pot.

You're only capable of detecting... The eye can only register colors and shapes. You're seeing a rounding.

You're seeing a white tish. And you're seeing a black stick. A black, a black.

Okay? And then... Because that's all you...

Your eyes cannot see more than that. They're just set up to see shapes and colors. That's all.

They cannot detect... They cannot make a judgment about what an object is. Okay?

That information comes to mind. And the mind... Then, pot pops up.

Pot, got it? Pot pops up in the mind. Picture of pot.

Image of pot. It's made of light. It's like a 3D computer image of light.

Pot pops up in your mind. And then it puts it on that thing. It projects it onto that thing.

And you think I'm seeing a pot. But you're not. You're seeing...

Okay? You're just seeing pot. There is no pot.

There is no a pot. There is no the pot. You have always been watching images in your mind.

Okay? You have always been watching images in your mind. Now.

Crucial. Okay? Especially for you teachers.

You cannot leave the audience at that. You cannot say, okay, go home. You know what pot is.

Good luck. You know? You cannot stop there.

You cannot stop there. Why are we talking about these things? How did I start tonight?

What was the first thing I talked about? The plane. The plane that was going down.

You know? And the plane is going down. For everybody.

Everybody is dying. In this room everybody is dying. You know?

I have a joke. With my old boss. She was very rich lady in the diamond company.

She used to take me on her trips to Tokyo. Why? So I could carry the luggage.

I'm the vice president of the company. I'm making six figures. And she uses me as her luggage carrier.

Right? And I have to stand outside the Japanese cosmetic store with her bags. While she spends three hours inside.

To get the most expensive cosmetics in the world. And she comes out and she says, how do I look? And in my mind I'm saying, you are three goddamn hours older than when you were when you walked in.

You know? You are three hours older than when you walked in. You see?

No matter what you smear on your face. You have more wrinkles than when you walked in. Because you lived in the store.

You breathed the air. You existed in the store for three hours. You are now older.

You are closer to your death. In the time it took you to buy the cosmetics. You are three hours closer to your death.

And that's the story of our life. You see? You go to a yoga class.

You know? An hour and a half of boom. You know?

Your body is an hour and a half older. The bones are an hour and a half more brittle. You know?

The skin is an hour and a half more dry. You keep doing that, you'll die.

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You see?

[Говорящий 1]
No, and you do. You do. You see?

There's always a last yoga class. You see? So, we're fighting against that.

Why are we talking about pot? Why are we talking about clock? Why are we talking about pen?

Because the world is not coming from the outside. The world is coming from the images you plant in your mind. And you can plant whatever world you want.

You see? You can plant whatever world you want. You don't need a body to die.

Because it doesn't exist out here. It's an image in your mind. Plant a different image in your mind.

And you stop that. You see? Because the pot's not a pot.

And the pen's not a pen. And the clock's not a clock. And the arm is not an arm.

It's all the same. Okay? If it existed out there.

If there was pots. And if there was clocks. And if there was pens.

And if they were out there. Then shoot yourself. My brother killed himself.

He got it. And he shot himself. You know?

He said, what's the use? Why should I waste my time? You know?

Kill yourself. There's no point. You can't change anything.

If a pot is a pot. And a pen is a pen. You can't change.

Give it up. What? Are you just going to get older?

Stop it now. He was 20. He said, I'm at my peak.

I can surf away. That's enough. And he shot himself.

You know? So. But.

If it's an image in your mind. If chedak is chi. If a clock is clock.

If those objects are images in your mind. That you planted there. Then oh.

Then anything's possible. All things can change. All bets are off.

You know? Arms are not arms. Arms can be made of light.

You see? They don't have to be flesh and blood anymore. They don't have to be made of bone.

I can have a body of light. Okay? Put the seed in your mind.

Find out the seeds for that. Place it in your mind. Purposely.

Consciously. Knowingly. And then watch the body change.

It's so cool. If things were out there. Hopeless.

Life is hopeless. If things are. Pictures in your mind.

Pictures that are popping up in your mind. Because of how you treat other people. If the more you take care of others.

The better images appear in your mind. Then there's hope. Then there's hope.

You see? Then you could be the next Jesus. In this world.

You could be. If you understood those things. If you understood those things.

You could teach people how not to die. You see? And that's what seeing emptiness is all about.

Okay? You. You.

You finish the tea. You go to your. You pour it into your Lama's cup.

You go upstairs. You offer it to them. You turn around.

You go to your temple. Right? You sit down.

You go into the meditation which you've been taught. Which you've been doing everyday. And something happens.

Okay? Under the influence of seeing pot. And understanding what pot is.

Something is triggered. Within the next hour. Within the next hour.

In a deep state of meditation. You see emptiness directly. You perceive emptiness directly.

What's it like? How does it feel? It's a higher level of being.

It's a higher level of reality. There's no object to compare it to in this world. Okay?

While you're seeing that object, you cannot see any other object at all. Which means you can't be aware of yourself. You can't feel the ground.

You can't feel the air on your arms. You can't hear anything outside. It's just ultimate reality.

And you are in it. And your mind is in it. And there's no other perception possible.

So it's kind of ironic. You can't think to yourself what? I did it.

God damn I did it. I started doing this directly. Because that's not ultimate reality.

Those are thoughts. Those are normal thoughts. So while you're in, you can't be aware that you're in.

You see? Chula chushakpa means water poured into water. Your mind is in that state.

You are in communion with ultimate reality. Can you tell how much time has passed? No, that's another normal reality.

You come out. You come down. And you can't tell how much time has passed.

You don't know if it's been a day or a week or 20 minutes. You don't know. All other perceptions stopped.

And you just have this one experience. That experience changes your inner being forever. On the level of chakras and all that, it changes your chakras forever.

Things happen in your inner body forever. And then there's a beautiful experience that happens shortly. Before you stand up, it's called Jetogyeshe.

Before you stand up, out of that meditation, the heart chakra opens. The heart chakra opens. And you have this, you have this perception of like, it's like a huge, powerful stream of clear light coming out of your heart.

The heart chakra opens. And you have this perception like clear light pouring out of your heart. Huge.

What do you call it? Like a, but a, like a pole, I don't know, like a telephone pole of clear light coming out of your heart. And then you go into this very, very beautiful experience.

It takes maybe 5 or 10 minutes. And this is not ultimate reality. That's finished, okay?

You go into an experience where faces appear in your mind. You see faces in your mind. And this is very difficult to explain, okay?

In those few minutes, you see the face of every living creature. There is no number. Because they are infinite.

The sky, space is infinite. There's no end to worlds. There's no end to the number of living creatures.

And you see them all at the same time. Within a few minutes time, you see all of their faces. And you love them like the airplane.

You love them like the airplane. You are loving that many living creatures as in the airplane at the same time. You are having an experience of love for every one of those beings at the same time, okay?

It's like, okay. And then you come out, you come down, and you see yourself as you will be, okay? At that moment, you don't become an enlightened being.

But you are able to see the future. And you are able to see yourself in the future. And you are standing above a world, you know, maybe with somebody.

And you are standing above a world. And you are caring for that world. And you are taking all the living creatures in that world.

You are standing above. And you have the power to care for all those creatures in there. Because of who you are, okay?

You see what you will be, you know? Those three things happen. You see ultimate reality.

You come down. You have that experience of those beings. And then you see yourself in the future.

And you know how long it will take. You can put a number on it. The number of years.

You know how long it will take, okay? And all of that happens because you saw the pot. Got it?

You saw how your mind was making things. Because you couldn't save the world if the world was out there. You can save the world if the world is coming from you.

Okay? It's only possible because it's coming from you. Okay?

And then you only saw the pot because of what? Sorry, you only saw a pot because of what? Kindness towards others.

And you cared for your... What do you say? You served your teacher.

And you did your meditation every day. And you did your study. Okay?

Remember, okay? And it's a blessing tonight that you heard it, okay? So, we'll be silent for a few minutes.

And just enjoy that feeling of seeing those faces, okay? What do you need in your life once that has happened to you? You see?

What do you need anymore? Are you going to worry about your rent? Or are you going to worry about what somebody said to you?

Or are you going to worry about the traffic? What does all that mean to a person who has... If you've had that experience, what does everything...

What does every other care in the world mean to you anymore? You see? There's no meaning to anything.

You know what's going to happen. Then your own life becomes magic. Your whole life becomes indescribable joy.

The rest of your life. You have no other... Who...

What do you need after that? Okay? Alright.

So, we'll spend a few minutes. Just sit with it, okay?

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Alright?