Сияющая: третья глава величайшего классического труда Чже Цонгкапы о пустоте (Аризона, 2016), занятие 3

[Speaker 1]
You want to finish the Bodhisattva got mad at the Bodhisattva discussion? Okay. We're on Lopandeni.

Okay, good. Lopandeni ki, yu ten la sel ka madzekyang. Okay, those two acharyas, okay, those two masters who are Master Shura and Master Shantideva, okay, those two.

Shura means Pao, and then, warrior, and then Shantideva. They said you lose a thousand eons of good karma if you get mad at anybody, okay, somebody. Then Je Tsongkapa wants more information.

He said, what are they talking about? Lopandeni ki, yu ten la sel ka madzekyang. Say, yu ten, yu ten.

This is a very unusual use of these two common words, okay. Yul means like object or country, and ten means support. Yeah, exactly.

But in Vinaya, it has a special meaning. It means the person to whom you give the vow, and the master who gives the vow, are called yul and ten, okay. So, he's playing with that usage.

Here it means the person that you got mad at, and the person, the maddie and the madder, okay, the person who got angry and the person they got angry at. Yul is which one? Yeah, the person they got mad at.

So, ten must be the person who got mad. Okay, so he's playing, if you don't know Vinaya language, you don't understand what he's saying, okay. Yul ten sel ka, we should put that in the dictionary, Adam.

Kao sa la sel ka. Sel ka me means, sel means what, like usel? Clear, okay.

The clear, sel means clear. Sel ka me means, it's not exactly clear. It's an idiom that means, it's not exactly clear, okay.

So, what's he saying? Yeah, it's not clear in Shantideva, and it's not clear in Shura, if the person getting mad is a bodhisattva, or the person they're getting mad at is a bodhisattva. It's not clear.

Sel ka me. Ma dze kyang, kyalpa kyalam tong tu sapay getsa jompe kong tu yulani, but it, but I'll tell you, if you're gonna lose a hundred, or a thousand yin's of good karma, because you got mad at them, the person you got mad at, should be a bodhisattva, okay. That's whose opinion.

Jetson copies, come on. You know, if you're gonna lose a hundred million years of good deeds, or a hundred thousand million years of good, billion, then come on, it's got to be a bodhisattva, the person you're getting mad at. Master Shantideva doesn't say it directly.

Neither did Lopanpao, but it must be, he says, okay. ,'GRO BA'I BSTAN NYID BYANG SEMS DANG NYID CHEN PO SHES GSUNGS PA LA BAG NA, ,YUL GYI BYANG SEMS LA BYANG SEMS STO CHE BA GCIG BRAL BO, There are statements that say, that, which we already covered, that say that the person who has the anger, should be not only a bodhisattva, but a high bodhisattva. The person who has the anger, if you're going to lose a thousand eons of good karma, or a hundred eons of good karma, they should be a pretty powerful bodhisattva.

,DE LA BAG NA, ,DE LA BAG NA, ,BAG NA, you know, ,'JE BAG TSE MA, Yeah, deduction. So, ,DE LA BAG NA means, you know, extrapolating from that, making a deduction from that, then, the person they get mad at, should also be a powerful bodhisattva. Not just a normal bodhisattva, a powerful bodhisattva.

Here it says, ,BYANG SEMS RTOGS CHE, What's RTOGS CHE? Yeah, the four powers. So, RTOGS CHE here means, the person who's getting angry should be a powerful bodhisattva, and the person they get angry at should be a powerful bodhisattva.

For there to be such a collision of the Titanic and the iceberg, that you lose a thousand eons of good karma. Okay? ,DE LA PHRO BA'I BRTEN NI BYANG SEMS SOGS KYIS RNGE LA, ,YUL LA NI SA THOB MA THOB GNYIS SU YOD DE, Now, this is Je Tsongkapa also.

The person who gets the anger, ,PHRO BA'I BRTEN, okay, the BRTEN, the person who got angry, that bodhisattva is definitely NGES PA or a SOSO SKYE BA. A person who has not seen emptiness directly. SOSO SKYE BA means normal person, in the sense of not special.

Has not seen pratyakjana in Sanskrit. They have... Okay?

If the bodhisattva is getting mad, this kind of anger, they are a powerful bodhisattva, but they didn't see emptiness yet. Okay? So, what did we learn?

If you're a bodhisattva, have you necessarily seen emptiness directly? No. Okay?

So, even from that sentence, you can learn something important in Buddhism. Okay? You can be a person who has great compassion, who is dedicated to become a Buddha to help the whole world, and it's not necessary that you saw emptiness.

Okay? Is it true that all people who saw emptiness directly are bodhisattva? We say no.

Okay? No. Like a very intelligent scientist, who doesn't really care about saving the world, can understand that things are coming from them.

Okay? Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. If you study it carefully, certain atomic physicists have come close to emptiness.

Okay? But they have no intention of like saving the world with it. Okay?

Okay. So, MA KHYAB PA'I CHE BA'I. What's it mean?

If you're a bodhisattva, it doesn't necessarily mean you saw emptiness. If you saw emptiness, it's not necessarily true that you're a bodhisattva. Is it necessarily true that if you're a bodhisattva on the first bodhisattva level, that you saw emptiness?

Yeah. Good. Okay?

Got it? Is there anybody on any of the ten bodhisattva levels who didn't see emptiness directly? Okay.

Great. Wow. You guys are good.

If you reached nirvana, have you seen emptiness directly? Not necessarily. Must be.

Must be. Must be. Cannot reach nirvana.

Yeah. Okay. Must be.

Yeah. If you reached nirvana, did you reach Buddhahood? Good.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Alright. Good. Can you be on the bodhisattva track and not see emptiness directly?

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
On the first two paths. Okay? We're going to talk about it with Kamalashiva.

Okay. YUL LA NI SOGS MTHOB MA THOB GNYIS SU YOD TE So, as far as the person getting angry, they are without question not someone who saw emptiness directly. If they're going to lose that much karma.

But, what do you think about the object that they get angry at? The bodhisattva they get angry at? He says, GNYIS SU YOD Two different options.

What do you guess? They could be an Arya, or they could not be an Arya. Okay?

They could be someone who saw emptiness directly, or maybe they didn't see emptiness directly. The person that got angry at it. Okay?

Okay. DE LTAR NA CHANG SEMS STOB CHE BA CHE BA'I CHENG BA LA DANG CHENG BA'I CHENG BA LA DANG YOD DANG BRTAN STOB NYAMS PA'I NYAMS PA LA PHYIR PA GSUM MO Therefore, there are three options. Okay?

Therefore, there are three options. In general, we're not talking a hundred yens or a thousand yens. In general, there's three options.

Number one, a bodhisattva who's stronger, is the one who got angry, is stronger than the bodhisattva that they got angry at. Okay? That's first option.

Second option, the bodhisattva who got angry is not as strong as the bodhisattva that they got angry at. Second option. What's the third option?

Equal strength. Okay? Equal realizations.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
Three options. DE DAM PO LA NI GAL PA RGYA YIN LA Which of those three do you guess is the one who loses a hundred yens of good karma? I'm sorry.

Let me say it again. One of the three loses a hundred. One of the three loses a thousand.

So, which one loses a hundred? The person getting... The bodhisattva getting angry is more powerful.

Okay? And the bodhisattva they're angry at is less powerful. That bodhisattva loses a hundred yens.

Okay? If a less powerful bodhisattva gets mad at a more powerful bodhisattva, they lose a thousand. Okay?

That's how Je Tsongkhapa explains the difference. Okay? What happens if they're equal?

Oh, okay. He says, GAL PA LTONG DU NGON Okay? MA'O NGANG RO NA NGON Okay?

You know NGON because it needs Abhi like in Abhidharma. Okay? Or Abhijna.

Clairvoyance. Okay? But here, Je Tsongkhapa uses it as evident.

It is evident. It is obvious. Okay?

What's that mean? When he says it's obvious that when there's a hundred yens lost, it's a more powerful bodhisattva getting mad at a less powerful bodhisattva. It was a thousand yens getting lost, it must be a less powerful bodhisattva getting mad at a more powerful bodhisattva.

It's obvious. What's he mean? He's deducing.

He wants to alert you that this is his opinion. Okay? It's apparent.

Okay? He says it's apparent. When Je Tsongkhapa says apparent, he means that's my opinion.

Okay? You can say it seems clear. You see what I mean?

When you say that, it means you're not sure. It seems clear that the person who stole the cookies out of the tin was Geshe Michael. When you say seems clear, it means you're kind of letting people know that it's your own estimation of the situation.

Okay? And that's how Tsongkhapa warns his readers that this is his opinion. Okay?

He's careful to say, this is my opinion. GNYIS PA DANG GSOS PA DANG GNYIS PA'I YUL GYI CHOG MED GYI BSKYED PA LA BRTAN NAS DGE RTZA'I SBYONG PA YANG LUNG LA BRTAN NAS BYAS PA BYA'O What happens in the ... GNYIS PA DANG GSOS PA Let me check this out.

So when you say good karma is destroyed then, it could refer to the second or third combinations. And even within the second combination, it depends on the relative power of the two people, he says. Then he says, if you really want to figure out how much karma you're going to lose, LUNG LA BRTAN NAS BYAS PA BYA'O LUNG, what's LUNG?

LUNG here means scripture. Like when you give a LUNG or something. So LUNG LA BRTAN, you should use scripture.

BYAS PA BYA'O This is when a high lama wants to say it's debatable. They say, you should check. BYAS PA BYA'O It's something that people have to figure out.

When Je Tsongkapa says it, it's hopeless. When he says it's something we have to figure out, he means, you know, if later on people have access to more scriptures, maybe you can get more detail, but this is what I know. BYAS PA BYA'O means, you know, if someone comes across more scriptures, if John Brady goes to Mongolia and finds more scriptures, maybe we will have a better decision.

But based on what we have, this is what it is. STONG GSUM GYI ZHES PA NI MED PAR MI'I RGYUR BA'I MI'I RGYUR BA'I BAR GYIS NI BYANG TZAM GYI BYANG TZAM MED PA LA YID GYI DRON NAS SNGAGS KYI ZHES PA DANG LUS KYI BDAG PA BRTAN PA Remember before we had this thing about you go to a billion planets and you beat everybody up and it doesn't damage the bodhisattva. But if the bodhisattva gets mad at another bodhisattva or something, then there is damage done and they have to put their armor back on.

Okay, he wants to go into that. He wants to explain that. So, up above when they said any particular bodhisattva, there will be damage to the bodhisattva, he is talking about a bodhisattva who gets angry in their mind at someone who is not yet a bodhisattva and says bad things to them and beats them up.

When they go to the planets, when they go to other planets, a billion planets, okay? He is talking about a bodhisattva beating up all the non-bodhisattvas on a billion planets, okay? It would not damage the bodhisattva.

Okay, so what does damage mean? So, he is trying to just draw a distinction between a bodhisattva who gets in a little bit of trouble and a bodhisattva who gets in a lot of trouble, okay? So, the bodhisattva who gets in a little bit of trouble is hurt.

Just beating up a billion people. And then the bodhisattva who gets angry, okay, they do damage to another bodhisattva. They get damaged.

And then they have to put on their armor again. So, he wants to go into that. He wants to explain what that means.

It's important. It will make your life a lot easier. You will understand more when we cover this, okay?

We'll try to finish tonight. BYANG SEMS KYI BYANG SEMS LA YANG LUNG LAG TU MA THUN PAR YID KYI SDONG BA TZAM KHYAD PA NI SEMS DE SKYES DRANG CI TZAM PA DE TZAM GYI GAL PAR ZHI NAS DGOS CHAGS DGOS DGOS PAR BRTAN NO When a bodhisattva gets angry in their heart at a bodhisattva, but doesn't say anything and doesn't do anything, okay? Just in their heart, they are angry at the other bodhisattva.

Just that, TZAM, just that. KHYAD PA NA SEMS DE SKYES DRANG CI TZAM PA However many moments of anger come up in their heart, that many eons they lose, sorry, that many eons they must put on their armor again, okay? So we want to know what, what do you mean when you say they have to put on their armor, okay?

Bodhisattvas can beat up all the people on a billion worlds. It doesn't damage the bodhisattva so much. One bodhisattva gets angry at another bodhisattva for one second.

Every moment, they lose a hundred eons of good karma. Why? Sorry.

They have to spend another eon for every moment they are angry putting on their armor. So, what does it mean? DE LTA BU YUN NI LUNG BRTEN THOB PA'I SEMS PA DANG BRTEN NI LUNG BRTEN MA THOB PA'I NGON TE Oh my gosh.

He's going to go off on another thing. I'm sorry, it's late. Maybe we should do this tomorrow.

We might die tonight. He says it's apparent. What's that mean?

Okay, this is my opinion. It's apparent that the person that you're getting angered toward is a bodhisattva who has not attained their confirmation, okay? So, I don't know.

When I was a kid in the Christian church, when you're 16 years old, when you're a baby, you get water on your head and you become a Christian. You don't have to do anything. You just cry.

And then... But when you reach like 16, you have to study the teaching of the church. Then there's a ceremony.

If you pass the examination, there's a ceremony. And then it's called confirm. Like, okay, we certify you're a real Christian.

Now you're old enough, you understand the ideas. So it's called confirmation. We have in Buddhism also.

It's called LUNG BRTEN PA. What's it mean? Do you know?

Yeah, it means you have enough good karma by now that if a Buddha walked in here, they could say December 3rd, 2024. You're Buddha. Okay?

Like, you reached enough good karma that Buddha can look inside of you. And it's funny, they usually do it by putting their foot on your head, but we won't do that. They put their foot on your head or something like that.

Okay? And they look in your karma. They look at your karma and they say, okay, December 3rd, 2024.

They can give you a date. Some people, most people are not good enough yet to get that confirmation. They say, tell me when I become a Buddha.

Buddha goes, still not clear. Like, you know, maybe you're going to mess up next year, maybe not. I can't tell you yet.

Okay? Okay? So, that means confirmation.

Here it says the person who you're angry at is not confirmed yet, but the bodhisattva feeling the anger, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. The bodhisattva you're angry at did get confirmed, but the bodhisattva who's angry did not get confirmed yet. Then he goes off on some prajna, bolobolomido?

Sutra. Okay? To prove it.

Sorry. This is not too long. LUNG BSTAN MA THOB BYANG CHUB SEMS PAR GANG ZHIG GIS A bodhisattva who is not confirmed yet, LUNG BSTAN THOB PA LA SEMS PHYIR gets angry at a bodhisattva who does have their date fixed already.

Okay? What do you call it there? What do you call that in coming out date?

The girl wears a gown and... Yeah, debutante. They didn't get their debutante date.

LUNG BSTAN THOB PA LA SEMS PHYIR If they get angry. Okay? If the bodhisattva who doesn't have their date yet gets angry at a bodhisattva who does have their date, SEMS PHYIR TZAM CHEN NA THA BA GYUR LDAN SEMS KYI SKYE GCIG JI NAS PA However many moments of anger they feel, DE NAS KYAL PAR ZHI NAS GO CHA DGOS DGOS DGOS they will have to do one eon of new armor.

So it's getting interesting. What does the armor mean? Okay?

What does the armor mean? Okay? We don't know.

He's going to tell us. ZHI NAS GO CHA DGOS DGOS PA ZHI NAS Say ZHI NAS. Say ZHI NAS.

ZHI NAS ZHI NAS What's ZHI NAS? Shamatha. Good.

ZHI NAS is almost spelled the same. The second syllable is low tone. Okay?

That's the only difference. Shamatha is ZHI NAS. And ZHI NAS means finally.

Okay? So like you ask your attendant for an orange juice in the morning and it it comes in the afternoon and you say ZHI NAS Oh yeah, finally. Okay?

ZHI NAS That did not happen to me. I'm just, it's just an example. I got it like 10 seconds later.

I got a whole bowl full. Okay? Okay?

So ZHI NAS means then they're going to here it means they're going to have to start over again. Okay? ZHI NAS means they're going to have to start over again with their armor.

So what's that mean? SPER NA BYANG SEMS KYI RTZOL RANG CHEN PO NAS NYUR PO SBYOR LAM DU PO THUB PA CI SKYIS If a certain bodhisattva was at the last stages of the first of the five paths. Okay?

Collection. Right? If they were at the last pages, stages of the first of the five paths and they were about to reach the second stage.

What happens at the second stage? What happens at the first stage? You have a good disaster in your life.

Okay? It makes you spiritual. Okay?

Disasters are very good. Okay? That's the first...

We're going to talk about it in Kama Shila. The first of the five paths, okay, is you have a big problem in your life, you become spiritual. Your mother dies in your arms, you know?

Your brother shoots himself in the head. Okay? Then suddenly you're like, oh, life is different than I thought.

It's not just rock and roll. Okay? That's the first path.

Then, and then the second path, basically in the second path, somebody explains to you the pen. Okay? When you get far enough in the second path, you cannot, you cannot go to a lower realm after you die.

So don't complain when I explain the pen. There was some French guy in Singapore. I don't know his name.

He irritate me. He said, why are you always talking about this pen? Every time you come to Singapore, you're talking about this pen.

You know? I'm like, I'm trying to keep you out of the hell realms, okay? Okay.

SHI NAS GO CHA Sometimes Lama does something, you don't know why. Maybe they know something. Okay.

SHI NAS GO CHA GOGOR PA NI So, what does it mean they have to... So, this person, this bodhisattva, was ready to go from path one to path two. Very soon.

Very soon. But, he got angry at another bodhisattva. Okay?

Becoming clearer now. PHO THUB PA PHO BA You know PHO BA, right? Move your consciousness after death.

But it means, it literally means graduate. They were ready to go up from path one to path two. In the next few days, they were going to go from path one to path two.

But, LUNG BRTEN THOB PA LA GRTUR NAS He got mad at his bodhisattva who had their date already from the Buddha. They already got their date fixed, okay? He got mad.

So, Je Tsongkapa is pulling from different sutras to give us a clear answer. It's hard, but it's clear. Okay?

If you give up because it's hard, I can't help you. You shouldn't come to these classes. Okay?

You want something easy, go somewhere else. Okay? It's hard, but it's true.

Okay? That other bodhisattva has to be one who is so far ahead that Buddha or some lama gave them their date already. Who can see the future.

CHEN PO LA NYUR BOS THOB PA LA GRTUR NAS THOB PA LA GRTUR NA PHRO SEMS KYI GRANGS DE NYES KYI RGYAL PAR For as many instances of anger they have. Now, he doesn't say moment. He says instances of anger.

Okay? Maybe it means you have... And we debate that in the monastery, but it means sustained anger.

Like, not just like, I hate you. It's got to be like for a couple hours or something. Okay?

Like, you're really angry for a couple hours. It has to be sustained anger. As many instances of sustained anger they have, you know, like, strong anger, they don't give it up for a couple hours or something like that.

PHRO SEMS KYI GRANGS DE NYES KYI RGYAL PAR GYOR LAM THUB PO MI NUS PAR They will not be able to move to the second path for that many eons. Okay? Okay?

Somebody was asking me, Geshe-la, if you can't destroy bad seeds, how can you destroy good seeds? This is more clear. Did he destroy his good seeds?

No, he just delayed his life for about a hundred million years. Okay? Understand?

Understand? Understand? Okay?

He delayed his progress. Okay? And probably he will never know why.

Okay? Probably he won't know why for a long time. NYES KYI KHAL PO'I GYUR LAG LUS PO MI NUS PAR He won't be able to go up.

SHI NAS You know, only after a long time. LAM LA LO He has to keep practicing the same old path for a really long time. To go somewhere, he was supposed to go next week.

Okay? He was supposed to move up next week to the second path. He got angry at a heavy bodhisattva.

And then he just delayed his career for a hundred million eons. What does it mean to put on your armor? He's going to have to go back over again and do a hundred million years of work over again.

That's what it means to put on your armor. Okay? It means he has to start all over again.

Okay? He goes back to... In English we say, go back to square one.

He has to go back to the beginning and start over again. He walked for a million miles. He got angry for five minutes.

They took him in a helicopter back to the beginning and said, start again. Really, it's worse than that. Okay?

Understand? So, that's the real meaning of destroy your karma. Here.

That's one of the important meanings. Okay? You have to go back to the beginning.

Okay? You okay? How many pages?

Oh, we're almost to the end. We're almost finished with Je Tsongkapa. I have 13 minutes.

I'm using it. Okay? ,DE LA CHUN GYUG LAS, ,GANG ZHIG BRTAN DE RGYAL ZAD, ,BRTAN NA LA, ,GAL TE NGAN TZAM BSKYED PAR BYED PAR DE, ,NGAN TZAM BSKYED PA'I GRANG BZHIN BSKYED PAR NI, ,NYAL BAR GNAS PAR RGYUR ZHES, ,THUGS PA'I GSUM Master Shantideva says the Buddha said, if you get angry at a bodhisattva who's being very generous in their life, then for every instance of anger you have, or hatred towards them, for that many eons, millions of years, you must stay in the nyelwa, hell realms. Now the game has changed.

Now Je Tsongkapa is not satisfied. He keeps throwing more things into it. It's very Tsongkapa.

You can spend a couple... I'm going to give you the printout tonight, the translation. Spend some time with it.

You will discover deeper and deeper things. That's how Tsongkapa is. He's not finished yet.

,ZHES BYANG SEMS LA, ,KHONG RDZO BA'I SEMS BSKYED, ,BYANG CHUB NYID PA NYES KYI, ,GAL PAR NYAL BAR GNAS PAR GSUNGS LA, So what's Master Shantideva talking about? He's not talking about going back to the first path and taking a million years to get to the second path when you were supposed to go there in one week. Now he's talking about hell realms.

What's that all about? ,GAL PAR MANG POR BSAGS PA'I RGYAS TSAR BYUNG PA'I, ,NYID MI KYANG YOD LA, ,LUNG LDAN THOB PA LA MA THOB PA'I PHYIR NA, ,NYAL BAR GNAS PAR ZHIG MA THOB PA DANG DAG LA, ,GAL PAR MANG POR BSAGS PA'I RGYAS TSAR BYUNG PA'I, ,NYID MI KYANG YOD LA, Of course you're going to destroy a lot of your good karma, but also, ,LUNG LDAN THOB PA LA MA THOB PA'I, if a person who hasn't got their confirmation gets angry at a bodhisattva who did get their confirmation, ,PHYIR NA NI, ,NYAL BAR GNAS PAR ZHIG MA THOB PA DANG DAG LA, ,DE NYID KYI GAL PAR ZHIG NAS, To have to go back to the beginning is as bad as going to hell. And then you got to start over again.

,DANG NI, He says, actually you could say both. They go to hell and they delay. Okay.

That's depressing. ,NYAL BAR THOB PA DUG PA LAS, He's going to go to another sutra. Okay.

He's going to go to another sutra. It's called, All Things in the Universe Crushed into Dust. All Things in the Universe Crushed into Dust.

With what? Your wisdom. You understand them.

Everything. Okay. Got it?

It's a sutra. It's the name of a sutra. ,NYAL BAR THOB PA DUG PA LAS GSUNGS PA'I, ,CHOS SPONG BYUNG BA'I, ,BLO SDUG GIS PAR DU, ,NYIN GCIG CING DU, ,GSUNGS DU NYES PA ZHAGS NA, ,NAM YIN THAG KYANG, Okay, good.

That sutra says, there's a bad karma called giving up the Dharma. And you've seen it happen. I've seen it happen.

Some people have a bad time in a Dharma group and then they just give it up. They say, now I decided that was stupid. All that Dharma stuff is stupid because someone told me I didn't have a nice dress on.

They always have some excuse like that. I decided I don't like this group anymore. I decided that's a stupid teaching.

What's the karma of that? What's the karma of that? ,BLO SDUG GIS PAR DU, ,NYIN GCIG CING DU, ,GSUNGS DU NYES PA ZHAGS NA, If you change your mind later and for seven years you confess that negative karma three times a day.

Who said that? Buddha. This is sutra.

This is not Tsongkhapa. This is sutra. Buddha said, if you reject the Dharma, you say, I don't like that Dharma anymore.

I don't like this tea. I don't like it. Then for seven years you change your mind.

You say, I made a mistake. I'm sorry. Then for seven years every single day in the morning and at noon and in the evening you confess, I made a mistake.

What happens? You can clean the karma to come. You can clean the result.

You can. You can clean it. There's a kyang there, but that person cannot reach the stage called kshanti, supa, patience in the second path.

They cannot reach that for ten million years. Okay? That kshanti, patience, we call mastery, that's the one where you don't have to go to the hell anymore.

You don't have to be animal. You don't have to be hungry ghost. You don't have to be.

That's the level inside the pen level that you have to reach. Okay? So, there's certain kind of bad karmas you can do and if you work really hard with the four powers, you can clean them.

You don't have to go to hell, anything like that. But, there's a second result. It's a delay.

Ten million years. You can't, you will not hear anyone explain the pen. You will go to the bathroom when Geshe Michael explains the pen.

You will walk back into the room when he just finished. No, really, it happens. Okay?

It happens this week. You know, people, I gotta go somewhere, Geshe Michael. I have some stupid job.

I have to... Man, you know, like... What you missed.

Come on. ,,DGOS DUS MA NAS ZHAG DAM BYAS NA, ,,LAM BUD DU SOGS BAR SOR MA CHOD KYANG, ,,NA MA'I NYONG BA DAG PAR RGYUR BA'I PAS PAR BYA'O,, So, so Je Tsongkapa says, and now we're finished, okay? So, should we bother confessing?

Should we bother with four powers? Yes or no? Yeah.

Why? You don't have to go to hell, okay? Will it fix the delay?

He says no, you can't fix it. It doesn't matter how many times you confess, you cannot fix it. You will always be in the bathroom when Geshe-la gets to the pen.

You will have this karma. You'll always walk back in when he's asking for money again.