Сяопин Джоу / Элисон — Книга 2: Самоцвет истинного намерения (Панчен Лодро Лексанг о «Виная-сутре»), занятие 2

[ШАПКА ДЛЯ ЦИТИРОВАНИЯ]
Курс: Xiaoping Zhou / Alison — Book 2: The Gemstone of True Intent (Panchen Lodru Leksang on the Vinaya Sutra) — Diamond Cutter Classics
Урок: Занятие 2 — начало разбора Книги 2 («Самоцвет истинного замысла», Панчен Лодро Лексанг): колофон, прострация, лунги-виная
Ведёт: Геше Майкл Роуч, Элисон Сяопин Джоу (перевод/участие)
Дата и место: 20.11.2023, Даймонд-Маунтин (Римрок/Седона, Аризона)
Источник: YouTube, канал Diamond Cutter Classics, плейлист PL1KVm5jgTljRBpdDsc-GnPM-ab-9EEPLy; расшифровка TurboScribe
================================================================
[Speaker 2]
Hi everybody, it is four o'clock Arizona world standard time in the center of the universe in Sedona and Rimrock. We're excited to have you this evening, this morning, this afternoon, wherever you are. Nick, how are you tonight?

[Speaker 1]
Better, you know, bit by bit. Thank you for checking. Good.

Wonderful. I'm sure.

[Speaker 2]
Dr. Casey Michael is Oh, look, there he is. I found him. I spotted a genuine kitchen Michael in the wild.

[Speaker 1]
Whoa. What time is it. 11pm.

What time would you like it to be shopping what time is it. 7am. Wow, I can make everybody miserable.

Nick, Ben, you got anything. Nick, I finished your, I finished 100 pages of your book today. Exciting.

Okay, I think we got homework. Oh, homework. I'm work.

I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2]
I'll be like, sorry, I should share the no answer one.

[Speaker 1]
Ginger.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry, I'm trying to hide the answer. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
We might be able to answer it better if you just show the answers. Yes. Yes.

So today's homework very simple is some basic information about our new test on Vinaya. So first one was the title of the new Vinaya test that we are working on, and the meaning of the of the title.

[Speaker 2]
Anybody.

[Speaker 1]
It is shown up in the chat.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, let me see. Oh, yes.

[Speaker 1]
By vulnerable. Of the true intent. Yes.

And what's the meaning. True intent. Meaning, this will tell us the true meaning of the Vinaya sutra.

Yeah. What did law Buddha really meant mean when he taught Vinaya. Yes.

And who is the author of this test. So now. No.

Oh, yeah. Pension luxury Lexa, and he's not a pension llama. Yeah.

And what's. So question, who is openly. He's a guy who requested a lot of teachings from Lord Buddha.

And anything else. Well, I'm guessing he requested a famous teaching that is about Vinaya. Yes, he is the first Vinaya holder.

So, he was a close disciple student of law Buddha, and he was very interested in the conducts of monks and vows, and he's famous as the first Vinaya holder. Yeah, thank you and I saw a vulnerable answer in the chat.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, vocabularies. Then, first one.

[Speaker 1]
Classical commentary.

[Speaker 2]
Yes. Second one. Oh, again.

Onion. Yes, friends, vulnerable pala. Third one.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, friend. He may be in front of the sun. What does he refer to the Buddha.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yes. Yes, no Buddha. Shakyamuni Buddha.

And, yeah, and that's all for the homework. I didn't pull a translation, a tense here. I don't know which paragraph schedule me to do in this class.

Thank you. You are muted. Just kidding.

How's it to be home. Do you feel happy.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yes. Also very, very busy.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you get some decent food, right?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yes. Yeah, from family.

[Speaker 1]
But I think you can't get cinnamon rolls there.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, very sad.

[Speaker 1]
Hang on, my tech guy is still working on it. Okay, here we go. Back, sorry.

Okay, I'm muted again. Here we go. Fisher, there's echo from your side.

That's my stomach. Waiting, waiting for people. It does sound like there's a second mic going on in the tower.

Can you hear us okay? Can you hear us? Yeah.

Now it's okay. Oh, we're on mute. No, no, no, no.

Can you hear us? Okay, good. You fixed it.

You've repaired the issue. Well done. No, so yes or no.

Yes, right?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Anyway, Sagan's getting a lot of exercise running back and forth. Can you hear me okay, Nick? Yeah.

Give me a thumbs up if you can hear me.

[Speaker 2]
We can hear you.

[Speaker 1]
All right, here we go. Let's see here. Oh, so we found a new scan.

We decided, if you remember our last class broadcast from Diamond Mountain, that this is an extremely unusual case where we have two different carvings of the same book, and they're both pretty good. And one seems to be more sophisticated than the other. And we did spot checks throughout the whole book.

The book is massive. It's going to take 40 years to finish. But we had used it before for the first Vinaya book that we finished.

So we did some spot checks based on that, and we decided to input a second carving. We found a more sophisticated carving, and it's very strange, just as if someone went through and fixed every fifth or sixth word, upgraded it. So it's a subtly upgraded book of the same carving.

It's weird. So we had the whole thing input by our input centers, and you guys have to bow down to our input centers that have been working for 35 years. And they did a wonderful job, and we got it back, and we grafted it in to what we had done already.

So that was a lot of work by some old men. And now we're ready to go ahead again. We input both parts of the text.

The text was traditionally written in two pieces and carved in two separate carvings. And we input the new edition of both carvings, and we reintegrated the first volume with the old first volume, and we added the second volume. So now it's a massive book.

It will be 3,200 pages in English. It will take about 50 years to finish. Okay.

I thought you guys might like to know some information about the author. How we got to this book was since we started Diamond Mountain in 2003, I was working on some Vinaya translations with Venerable Chuky, and we worked for a long time. And we translated some of the rituals for making monks and nuns and things like that.

And we kept looking into the database. The database has, I don't know, about 10,000 pages of ancient ethical works. And we went through them looking for help, and we kept hitting the same book by this person.

And we don't know the book. We don't know the person. But for the last, what, 20 years, every time we need Vinaya information, it's the best hit we get in the search program.

So we decided to translate him. And we don't know much about him. He was a throne holder of Tashir Thumbo, which is the Penchen Lama's home monastery to the southwest of Lhasa.

And all that we know was that he was the ninth abbot of that monastery. And we know the dates of the second, third, fourth, seventh. And so based on that, we can estimate that he was born around 1510, which is about 100 years after Tsongkhapa, roughly.

And then he was, I would say his active or floret dates are 1550. And we don't have any better information than that. And I've looked hard.

I've looked hard for several years, and I can't find anything better. Here's a little bit about his life that we used in Sugeng's book, his first book, On the Wheel of Life, which we finished recently and is now in final editing. It'll come out in the spring.

And it's going to be the basis of the next DCI level. So it's a wonderful book by Kedrup Tenpa Dargye, who is about the same time as this author. And Kedrup Tenpa Dargye is a Ganden Thipa, one of the early Ganden Thipas.

And he was the textbook writer for Sereme. Most of our textbooks come from him. Quite long and quite complex.

We're trying to get a copy out of the library in St. Petersburg, which we catalogued there for Tim to translate. Tim's working on that text. We have one copy that's not as good as the one in Russia, and we're negotiating with the people in Russia.

And the negotiations are going pretty well. Just a question of how painful it is for us. Here's some information about him.

There's a saying in the monastery that you learn more about an author from their books than from their biography. You can tell more about a person from what they write than from their birth date and their parents' name and stuff like that. So it's a tradition to study this author that way, through his writings more than...

Here's some information about his teacher, whose dates we know. Normally, there's a 30-year gap between a teacher and their student in this lineage for the last 100 generations. It's about 30 years.

Because by that time, the teacher has studied a lot, and also their student has shown some seriousness by that time. So it's usually 30 years. There's a big exception with Je Tsongkapa and Gyaltsabje, who are only, I think, 12 years apart.

And that's very unusual. There's some estimates about him and some more information. A lot of what we know about authors comes from the khalafon, which is the introduction to their books, which in this tradition come at the end of the book.

So we do know that he spent time at Shartse. Shartse is one of the two colleges of Ganden Monastery. There's Jangse and Shartse, which means eastern tip and northern tip.

We have a few other books by him, mostly Lower Middle Way and something on Abhidharmakosha. He's going to mention his own other books in today's reading. I'm not sure if we have the books he mentions, but we're still looking for them.

Here's the information from BDRC. BDRC was founded by Gene Smith, as you guys know. He was obsessed with biographical information about teachers.

He kept very, very careful notes. He interviewed many, many high mamas in his life. He would often go to high mamas and ask for biographical information, and he would take careful notes of it in a database program called ASAM, which was a—what do you call that?

When the format is peculiar to one company? A proprietary database software. The company went out of business one day, he lost all his data.

He lost all of his records. Decades of time spent with teachers, because there was no program anymore that could read the records. That's why ALL will never depend on a particular database, proprietary or a private company.

We have always tried to incorporate the search mechanism within the operating system of the computer itself. As long as the architecture of computers remains the same, which it hasn't changed since the early 1980s, our search programs and our data will still be usable. As long as computers exist, personal computers, ALL's database will be readable on any machine.

That's something we did. Gene Smith's suffering is a good reason why to keep doing that. Any other private company, Microsoft, they can just go out of business tomorrow.

The AI director got fired yesterday. No, open source. Open AI got fired three days ago, and he got hired by Microsoft yesterday.

Things change like that, and then the whole system changes, and then you can't use your data. Luckily, ALL is not like that. Here are some comments from BDRC.

This is the BDRC info for the version that we used. Now we're ready to start the book. Yay!

Let me get you a big cursor. Xiaoping, are you still there? Yes.

Okay, I can't see you. I don't mind. We got this.

You've kind of been replaced as the youngest lady member of our translation team. We got Sir Shumna here today. Okay, please read, and then you can choose somebody else to read.

Okay. Hang on, we got a problem anyway. This is the title of the book.

We're about to start a 50-year project. We're on the first sentence. This is always a hopeful moment.

Foolishly hopeful moment. Here we go. What's a tenchu, you guys?

Classical commentary. He's referring. Usually tenchu refers to...

Classical commentary? Yeah, classical commentary. Written between roughly 150 AD to 1000 AD.

Usually those are shastras, or classical commentaries. We would expect him to be referring to a classical commentary written between 150 to 1000 AD. It happens to be dulwe dotsawa.

What's that? Yeah, the Vinaya Sutra, which is not a... Sutra.

Like in the word Yoga Sutra, it just means a short book. It does not mean a teaching given by the historical Buddha. That's unusual, uncommon.

The Vinaya Sutra was written much later. I think it's in the 6th century or something. Dulwe dotsawa means the root text of the Vinaya Sutra.

I'm going to tell you the chidan. The general meaning. He's not going to do a dialectic analysis.

He's going to do an overview. Thank God. No, the overview is a 50-year project.

The dialectic analysis would be... Dialectic analysis is in debate format. He claims that he's not going to do it, but I think he does.

Okay, dik chen means the great commentary. Chika is a Sanskrit word that means commentary. The great commentary.

Then he says rin chen chenwa. What is that rin chen chenwa? Ratnamala, or the string of jewels, or something like that.

It can refer to a rosary made of jewels. Like diamond or turquoise or sapphire or something. That's the name of a very famous and major Vinaya commentary by Gendun Drup, the first Dalai Lama.

By the way, he was not the first Dalai Lama in his lifetime. He was recognized two lifetimes later. He was a young student of Tsongkhapa, and not very remarkable during Tsongkhapa's lifetime, but later he became a great commentator.

He's sort of... What do you call it? He's sort of Western in his style.

He's not a great... He doesn't have this debate flair that Geltsab Je has or Kedrub Je has. He's kind of more plods along through an outline or something like that.

Very thorough and dry. I worked on his Abhidharma commentary for 12 years, so I can say. Rin chen chenwa.

He wrote a book called The String of Jewels, which is a great Vinaya commentary, major commentary on the Vinaya. This book by Lodro Leksang, penchen Lodro Leksang, who's not a penchen. Penchen just means great pandita, pandita chenpo.

He wrote a book called Gong Gen, which means what? It's like an ornament for the true intention. Gongpa means the true intention.

What the author had deep in mind. Who's the author of Vinaya Sutra?

[Speaker 2]
Mr. Guna Prabha.

[Speaker 1]
So gong means what did he really have in mind. Why does Lodro Leksang call his book an ornament, alankara? Why does he call it a piece of jewelry?

Whenever you call a commentary an ornament, like Abhisam Alankara, it means, look, the original book was beautiful, and I'm just adding some akutamo, which is going to make her more beautiful. So when you see gen in a title, alankara, it means extra jewelry, like earrings or a necklace or something like that. So why is it an extra jewelry?

[Speaker 2]
Because the original commentary is already very beautiful.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the first High Lama, can we say? The first High Lama's commentary is already beautiful, and he's just adding some makeup. She's already beautiful, I'm just putting some eyeshadow on her.

Like that. That's the idea again. So now we've got three levels of commentary.

What?

[Speaker 2]
Vinaya Sutra.

[Speaker 1]
You've got Gyalwa, and then you've got the High Teacher, and then you've got Lodro Leksang. Who's down here? Buddha.

All the early Vinaya texts, and in John Brady's database, there's a huge amount of material there. There's many hundreds of pages of Vinaya texts. Already input for us to use, and they're amazing.

Those are the oldest languages that we're dealing with. We have 12 translators. I divide it into eight separate languages.

We are studying eight separate languages, and they are different languages. That's why we have 12 translators. We're studying eight different languages.

The oldest one is the language of the Vinaya and the Sutras. Xiaoping's book, in one way, is the most difficult. They're all the most difficult, did you notice?

Par-shuk-so means hearing contained, is this book. This kind of thing where you see DD in data, when you see DD from ALL data, it means there is a carving of a teacher. There's an illustration in the text.

We have a special escape code, it's called DD. That means that if you're interested in getting an illustration of this person, you search for DD near their name in the database. The database has a total of 12 million pages right now.

Every time there's a drawing of a teacher, we made a note in the data. You search for DD near a person's name, and you can find every drawing of them in history. This is a drawing of Du-lu-way De-myur Du-ke Nye-wa-kor.

Who's Nye-wa-kor? Upadi. This Du-lu-way De-myur means the Vinaya Pitaka of the three baskets of scripture, the basket called Vinaya, or ethical teachings.

Nye-du means he's the main person who put together the Pitaka of Vinaya. He's the main person who organized Lord Buddha's teachings on ethical behavior after the Buddha's time. That's called the three baskets.

He's the one who took care of that basket. Du-ke means he was a really good organizer of one of the three great subject categories of the teachings. He was in charge of collecting the teachings on Vinaya.

Why did they have to be collected? Lord Buddha died, and all the teachings were with each person, and then... Yeah, Lord Buddha didn't write anything.

He just spoke things. Then later they had to collect. They had big meetings, and they'd say, what did you hear?

Then they would say, e-lam maya shu-tam. Okay, good. Nye-wa-kor means?

Upadi. This is a great thing. If you want to see what he looked like, search the ALL database for DD near his name, and you'll find every carving of his face or his body in all of the wood carvings.

You see what I mean? It's very fun. It's really fun to do that.

I think I might have it here. Let me see.

[Speaker 2]
What did DD stand for?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, here's the particular carving, by the way. Okay, Nye-wa-kor. See here?

I don't know. He looks kind of tired to me. But maybe that's...

Maybe I'm projecting. He's trying to memorize all this. Okay.

Okay, here we have the opening verse, Xiaoping. You can pick on somebody else. It's more fun.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, let me see who's here.

[Speaker 1]
Katrin, are you translating? Today, Xiaoping.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Are you reading or no? Oh, he's just translating.

Okay. Juan, would you like to read?

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Okay. Just pronounce it.

Yeah. Upali. Nice.

Good job. We read a little tiny bit of this last time. We read a little bit of this last time.

Nyi-me-nyen means the friend of the sun. The Sanskrit has three different variations. I don't know which one he means here.

But basically, Surya Mitra. Surya means sun and Mitra means friend. So that refers to Lord Buddha himself.

His nickname was friend of the sun. And dul dzin means vinaya keeper, vinaya holder. Upali.

I'm going to show you guys something. There's Upali. We talked about it last time.

But if we go up here to the original, here's the same line in the old woodblock, and it says nye war kor, which is the Tibetan translation of Upali. You see what I mean? The first line here.

And then the other carving, someone has replaced nye war kor with Upali. Someone has taken out the Tibetan translation of his name and replaced it with the original Sanskrit. It's like that.

You're talking 3,000 or 4,000 pages in English. Someone has gone through and changed every 6th or 7th word carefully, accurately. I've never seen such a thing.

Why would they do it? Who would do it? When did they do it?

It's hard to tell. We know from these carvings of the pictures that the second carving was done about 200 years after Lodro Leksong. Maybe someone else messed with the text.

I don't know. But they're good. Whoever they are, they're good.

I'm going to buy it. But I'll just tell you, I like to call this the Upali version, because already on the first page he has replaced Upali with the old Sanskrit name. He's replaced nye war kor, which means Upali, with Upali.

I bow down to Gautama Buddha. I bow down to Upali. I bow down to the next person in this person's mind, and the next Vinaya holder, he calls them all Vinaya holders, is Yignyen.

Vasubandhu. Yeah. Who we don't normally think of as a Vinaya holder.

But if you're going to define eight languages of Buddhism, and if you wanted to justify for a big sponsor in a big report that you just sent them this week, you would say the eight languages have to survive in this world. It's not a question of translating the Kangyur or the Tengyur, it's not the point. If you wanted to do a Shenzong's Tower, if you wanted to translate Buddhism, and if you wanted Buddhism to survive in this world, you have to preserve those eight languages.

You see what I mean? It's not a question of working to the Tengyur or working to the Kangyur, or something like that. You have to find twelve nerds who can keep alive eight different languages.

Why twelve, if you only need eight? Because Buddha said things are going to die. So I built in some redundancy.

Who's going to die first? I don't know. But if you have a translation project, the point is to preserve the eight languages, like Abhidharma language, Vinaya language, Majjhimika language, Mind-Only language, and they are separate languages.

They are totally separate languages. So you have to train a group of at least eight human beings, and they have to know the eight different languages, or you are not preserving Buddhism. You will miss something.

Mind-Only will get lost, or Lower Middle Way will get lost, or something like that. That's why we designed the Mixed Nuts the way we did. It wasn't by accident.

The choice of texts is very, very conscious. We are preserving the eight languages, and if you don't do that, you're going to lose 12.5% of Buddhism somewhere. See what I mean?

And then two of those is 25%. So that's the rationale of why this project is going the way it's going. And that was the rationale for inputting the ALL in the way we did, or have so far.

Yidm nin shab, what's shab? Yeah, to the Holy Feet. It means, I bow down and touch the Holy Feet of Vasubandhu.

Okay. And then he says the say of Yidm nin, who's the son of Vasubandhu? Yinten'u.

Guna Prabha, which is the author of the Vinaya Sutra, who lived hundreds of years after Vasubandhu. So he's being, what do you call it? He's being sweet to Guna Prabha.

You're like the holy son of Vasubandhu. Nowadays I like to translate say as child or daughter or son. Yeah, I think the days of translating as son are gone, okay?

You say daughter or son as a translator, especially when you say gyel se. Seriously. Gyel se.

So daughter or son of the victorious Buddhas, which is Bodhisattva. Okay. Here's another one.

Shakya'u is a Shakya Prabha. And that's another famous Indian Vinaya commentator. And then you've got Chökyi Shingyön, which is Dharma Mitra.

Those of you who are interested, that's Dharma Mitra. By the way, Mitra is not spelled with two Ts in Sanskrit. There's a lot of Sanskrit names in the modern times which are misspelled.

And it's strange because some of them are great teachers. Like, who's the one from the Bahamas?

[Speaker 2]
Sivananda.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, Sivananda. Like that. But I mean, the names of teachers have been misspelled, and then passed on this way.

So anyway, Dharma Mitra with one T. And then, Pakyu. What's Pakyu?

What's the Pakpayu?

[Speaker 2]
India.

[Speaker 1]
The land of the Aryas. The homeland of Buddhism, which is where the Aryas were born, especially Arya Nagarjuna, for example. Pakyu Thepa, Master.

Dunzin Vinaya Holder. I do, I do to you. Yeah, I bow down to you.

How do you say animal? Tiriyanch in Sanskrit.

[Speaker 2]
I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, dundro. Dundro. Dundro is the Tibetan for animal, and it means beings who travel bent over.

Tiriyanch. In an opening lines in a holy book, you're always expecting a prostration to somebody. That's tradition.

As you start writing a Buddhist book, first you bow down to all the great masters who have come before you, and you acknowledge that what you're writing has come from them. Okay. All right.

Here's some other discussion. No crying in my class. Words, stop that.

Every time he doesn't make a hundred bucks in ten minutes, he starts crying. Oh my goodness. Okay.

Who's that, Xiaoping? Svelana. Would you like to read?

Yeah, Svelana.

[Speaker 2]
du wang nyi pan yam me tsong ka pa, tse kyi du wog yal tsa dam pa dang, kye shing druppang yep gye lek phel, gye dun drupp sok yab tse nam la dud.

[Speaker 1]
I don't know, if you're one of those amazing readers, you must be a words student. Kind of irritating. Okay.

By the way, I don't mind children noises, okay? You got to train the next generation. All right.

What's tupay wangpo, you guys? The able one. Lord of the able ones.

Yeah. muni indra, which means the lord of the able ones, which means Lord Buddha, Gautama Buddha. Okay.

Who's the number two Buddha in the world?

[Speaker 2]
Tsongkapa.

[Speaker 1]
Tsongkapa. And nyam me means matchless, okay? So, I bow down to the matchless Tsongkapa, who is like the second Buddha to show up in this planet.

And he was, and he is, okay? It's not an exaggeration. Then tuwo means like main, or tsowo.

It's the same as tsowo. So, who was the main daughter or son of Tsongkapa? Yeah, Geltsub Je.

Tsongkapa, yeah. And by the way, we just, today we finished Nick's book's introduction. And it has, we worked really hard on Geltsub Je's biography.

I think it's the best ever finished. And it's done. It was finished this morning.

So, if you're interested to know more about Geltsub Je, it's an extraordinary biography. And we put it together from many, many sources. Luckily, we have John Brady's database.

Okay. Who's Keshindrupa? Wise and accomplished.

Yeah, Kedrup. Kedrup, okay. That's Kedrup Je.

Okay. So, his name, Kedrup, means wise and accomplished. And they put Kedrup...

By the way, it refers to a theoretical knowledge of Buddhism and then a practical retreat knowledge of Buddhism. And that's called Kedrup. That's called Keshindrupa.

So, K means scholarly knowledge. And then drupa means more like deep retreat knowledge. And if you have both, we call you Kedrup.

Okay. That's Tsongkhapa's number two son. Kedrup...

Keshindrupa ngepa means he achieved. He achieved K and dru. He achieved theoretical knowledge of Buddhism and he achieved the practical knowledge of Buddhism in deep retreat.

He's Kedrup. And his monk's name was Gelegpao. Okay.

Geleg means goodness and goodness... Virtue. Goodness in the sense of moral goodness and then goodness in the sense of good quality.

Okay. Geleg. Geleg Rinpoche was a wonderful lama in my mama's time.

Bel means Sri or glorious. We often add it to the end of people's names in India. Okay.

Sri Dharmamitra. Okay. And then he's...

So he's mentioned Tsongkhapa. He's mentioned his number one student, Gyatsobje. He's mentioned his number two student, Kedrupje.

And then he throws in his third famous student, Gendungrupa. Okay. The first higher lama.

Okay. Gendungrupa. First Dalai Lama.

Sok. Yab se nam la du. I bow down to the Yab and I bow down to the Se.

The father and the children. Yeah, the father and the children. Good.

The carved collection of these lama's books is called Yab Se symbol. For example, the books of the father and the two children. Okay.

All right. I was curious myself if he's just naming big lamas or did they write any Vinaya? You see what I mean?

I was just curious. I do stuff like that. So did he bow down to these lama's because they influenced the Vinaya lineage?

Or is he just doing generic bow downs? Okay. I thought you might be interested in the results of my research.

When we did the King of the Dharma book, me and... What's her name? Dalai dancer.

Ava. Yeah, Ava. We did a bibliography of everything that Tsongkhapa wrote.

We studied it and we cleaned it up and we organized it by subject. I went to that book and pulled out all of Tsongkhapa's Vinaya books. Here's what he wrote from the King of the Dharma.

General Commentaries on Vowed Morality. He wrote The Brief Essence of the Ocean of Discipline. That's the root text that Xiaoping translated a commentary to for the last seven years.

We finished it. Tsongkhapa also wrote that famous letter to Ngawang Drapa. Do you know?

What's it called? No, it's not. It's a different letter.

This is the letter where he says... We used it in the ACI courses. Course 9, yeah.

Yeah, he had just finished... No, he had just finished ordaining the first monks in the East. He got a letter of...

We used it in the ACI courses because it talks about the relationship, I think, between Vinaya and meditation or something. Then there's Vinaya Vastu, which are the basic practices of Vinaya. He wrote a book on that.

Here's his major work on Vinaya. He wrote Commentary on the Monk's Vows. This is a series of lectures that he gave at a monastery called Namche Deng, or Namsik Deng.

It was a very, very famous series of lectures by him and some other Lamas. It was a team teaching Vinaya festival. It's extraordinary.

Gyeltsabje took notes. Those notes became the greatest commentaries on the monk's vows ever. I taught them at a famous event at Diamond Mountain, which was...

I'm not going to say anything. He did for full monks, and he did for novice monks at the same Dharma festival. He gave extraordinary teachings on those vows.

Then he did a few shorter pieces. We can say that Tsongkhapa is a Vinaya holder. Duang dzin, duang dzin.

It's appropriate that we're bowing down to him at the beginning of this book. Now, what's the next question? Is Gyeltsabje a Vinaya holder?

Here's other books by... Actually, I took this out of Nick's book. I cut this out of Nick's book.

By the way, as we translate more and more books, we have more and more opportunities to cut stuff out of people's books in English. This is a description of how Gyeltsabje wrote the Namsik Deng lectures down, how he edited them. So we can call him a Vinaya holder, keeper.

Now, how about the first High Lama, Gendun Dru? Oh, by the way, Ketubje books on Vinaya, zero. No surviving books by Ketubje on Vinaya.

Wasn't he interested in it? Of course he was interested in it. Did he write any major commentaries?

No. No minor commentaries. He didn't write anything about it.

By the way, Gyeltsabje didn't write any original books about Vinaya. They focused on emptiness. They focused on the Bodhisattva Vinaya.

They focused on Bodhisattva vows. They did not focus on monastic vows. I'm tempted to say that they perceived Bodhisattvas as the new monks.

I'm tempted to say that by the time of Ketubje and Gyeltsabje, they perceived the Bodhisattva code as replacing the Vinaya code. They were more interested. They wrote hundreds and thousands of pages on the Bodhisattva code, but they didn't spend their time talking about the measurement of a kitchen.

You see what I mean? It's interesting. To me it's interesting.

That's worth a study. Somebody should study it. Although, I have to say, Gyeltsabje designed Ganden Monastery, and he carefully followed the Vinaya for that.

He's known to have followed the Vinaya in the design of the monastery. For example, in limiting the food preparation space, because the monks were supposed to be out begging for their food. He's famous for designing Ganden Monastery to fit the Vinaya.

He knew it and he implemented it, but it wasn't his main thing. Gyalwa Genadrup wrote, again, he's more of a... What do you call those books in Judaism?

Torah. He's a Torah scholar. He plods through things in great detail.

He wrote this Vinaya commentary, which our author is using as his basis. Can we say that Gyaltsabje, that Bodhileksam, our author, bows down to Tsongkhapa, his two main students, and the first Dalai Lama? Can we say he's bowing down to Vinaya masters?

Kind of. I mean, Pidubje, we got to leave him out. It looks like more of a generic bow down.

Got it? I was just curious. Was he really taking the time to isolate the great masters of the Vinaya, or was he just bowing down to his lineage?

It's a little bit mixed. Next one, Shabing. Who's going to read?

Anatole, are you there? Would you like to read? Sure, thank you.

Anatole, heavy penasal on the LD. And it's almost an M. It's a weird thing.

Nice, nice. By the way, Anatole is really, really helping with the editing of the Mixed Nuts books. Thank you, Anatole, and God bless that you're so good at it.

Because we can't survive... There's too many books coming out for poor venerable Upala who sits for 18 hours a day and works on it, and it's still too much. So it's nice to have another person helping.

Lapsum. What's Lapsum, Anatole? I just praised him and he...

Three trainings. Yeah, the three trainings. Of what?

Buddhism. Ahimva Buddhism, no. Of Zoroastrianism.

What are the three trainings? Wisdom, meditation, and ethics. Ethics, okay.

Nambak means his practice of the three trainings was very high. And then his personal name is Tomten Neser. Tomten Neser.

Shab means his holy feet. I bow down at the holy feet of Tomten Neser. Now, I have a proposal.

We have to move this way. If we're going to finish all the work, we have to finish. I did not look these guys up.

I did not study the books they wrote. That's something I don't need to do. Other people can do it.

I challenge you, probably Dr. Kramer and Xiaoping work together, or somebody. I want you to look up these four teachers in the BDRC database. I want you to list the Vinaya books that they wrote.

I can tell you from the smell of the verse that they are real Vinaya masters. We got to the real guys. I want to know what books they wrote.

And then, Nick, what are we going to do? Get them input. Find the scans.

Yeah, we're going to find the scans. See if they're in our already input data, which they could be. They are not much, I can tell you that.

These are four Vinaya masters. Our author is bowing down to them, which means our author might have pulled a lot of his stuff from them. In the Mixed Nuts methodology, we're going to input all their works immediately.

That'll be probably hundreds and hundreds of pages of input. John Brady's team is so powerful. They can do a book in a week.

They can input a hundreds of page book in a week. Five times. It goes through five passes.

People typing it five times. And they can do it in a week. That's how good they are.

They're amazing. I used to do it at a monastery. Twelve monasteries.

I fired all of them and turned it over to these amazing ladies. They're high quality and they are fast. Anyway, so you're going to look up Tom Dennis there.

Help him out, Dr. Kramer, or somebody else. Okay. Mangta means what?

Heard a lot of teachings. It means very learned. Mangta.

Lunggi Ngadag means... He's someone who possesses or is a holder of the lineage. Yeah, the very master of the word.

Ngadag means Lord. And his name is Chökyi Dharma. Who's it not?

Dharmakirti. It's not Dharmakirti. It's not Dharmakirti.

It's someone who is named after Dharmakirti. Why? This bowie-bowie thing is going...

Chronological. Time, on a time scale. We're going through time.

First we did Lord Buddha, then we did Upani. And then we got through, you know, Guna Prabha, who wrote the Vinaya Sutra. Then we reached the early Tibetans, Tsongkhapa, Kedrup Je, Gyaltsab Je, and first Dalai Lama.

Then we got to these guys. These are not ancient Indian guys. These are people who were named after the ancient Indian guys.

So we got to find this Chökyi Dharma who wrote some good Vinaya stuff. And we're going to get the scans from BDRC. God bless them, I kiss their feet.

And then we're going to input them. Why? Our author used them.

And when we have a question, we can go to his sources. All right. $100 for mudok rikpa, except word.

Shishumna is okay.

[Speaker 2]
It's a logic based on the way that things work.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. I'll give it to you. A hundred bucks.

Mudok rikpa is a very, very difficult word. Ngu means direct. Tok means power.

Rikpa means logic. Mudok rikpa is an ancient word for deduction. Deduction, yeah.

Like if you come into this room and there's a heavy banana smell, that's a direct perception. But you can deduce that somebody was eating bananas in here. And that's called mudok rikpa.

Knowledge based on the real thing. Knowledge based on the entity. Which means based on the banana smell, you can say somebody was in here eating bananas.

Okay, got it? That's called deduction. Mudok rikpa.

But the word is power of the thing thinking. Power of the thing thinking. What's a thing in this case?

Banana smell. Okay, mudok rikpa. It's a very unusual word and it's extremely hard to translate correctly.

Deduction, what? Power based on the thing. Power based on...

Understanding based on the power of the thing. Banana peel smell. Okay, got it?

Is the phrase good? No, I was afraid you were going to ask me that. I probably do, but I forgot it.

We're out of time, by the way. I would call it deduction. I wouldn't try...

By the way, Ben Kramer, I'm setting you up. I've been having this discussion with you late at night, many days. We cannot translate logic the way the Tibetans did.

We cannot say other entity power knowledge for deduction. The people who have tried to translate it that way have created translations that no one could ever read. Ever.

They just give up. People just give up. We're going to have to...

Even the first line, the opening lines of Ben Kramer's book. Ben Kramer's project is a 60-year project. The opening lines are not...

You cannot understand them at all in Tibetan. Unless you're a Tibetan. Unless you've studied it.

We have Tibetan people come and listen to the debates. They're not allowed in. They can lean over the wall and listen.

It's wonderful to see how confused they are. They don't understand a single sentence for four or five hours. We can't do that.

We can't publish translations like that. It won't fly in America. Only 20 people are going to buy the books, even if we translate them well.

And we're only 20 if we say entity power knowledge. Okay. Ngunda Rinpoche, Lodro Gyatso.

We've got to look him up. See what Vinaya book he wrote. I know I'm out of time.

Stop telling me. Khenrab Wangchuk. What's Wangchuk?

Ishvara. The god, the very god of khenrab, of knowledge. The very god of knowledge whose name is Yeshe Darpa.

Yeshe Darpa. He has named here, in his obeisance, in his prostration, he has bowed down to four great Vinaya masters from Tibet. I don't know them, which means they're not that famous.

But if we could find their books, it would be a big breakthrough. There's the ALL. I'm requesting ALL's help.

All right. Shabping will stop there, okay? Thank you so much, Rinpoche.

[Speaker 2]
Can I verify, this is Togden Utser Chögyi Drakpa, but the name is spelled weird, Lodro Gyatso Yeshe Drakpa. These are the four lamas?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, the four names here, if I'm to guess, it would be Togden Utser and then it would be Chögyi Drakpa and then it would be Lodro Gyatso and it would be Yeshe Drakpa. Just from the standard format. So good luck finding them.

Like Lodro Gyatso, there's going to be five of them. And you got to find out which one was a Vinaya master. Is it the 20th?

Today? Okay. I think we have Nick.

Oh, Shabping is going to lead a discussion of why today's class is usable by a normal person. And grandpa's going to drink Inver Chai, ginger tea. Thank you, thank you very much.

Yeah, and Shabping, you're going to lead the discussion. There's one person in here that you can never guess who it is, has their hand up to start the conversation. If you want, but you can choose anybody you want.

[Speaker 2]
I'm happy to invite that person. Can you?

[Speaker 1]
Okay, come on person. Here she comes. It's Olga.

Here you go. Okay. I guess I could go to the...

All right, Shabping. I'm taking a break.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you so much, Krishna.

[Speaker 1]
This class today has been especially fruitful for my thought. And I've got actually three things that we can use in our practice. So one of them, two of them actually, concern the editing, the translation work that I'm in.

And I am sorry, I'm going to speak slowly now because the translators have... Are having a breakdown.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, yes, they said that we want to translate what you're saying because they feel some value in that. I'm not sure, but they asked me, so I will speak slowly and sorry translator. I'm myself a translator.

I don't know how it would happen that I was speaking so fast. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1]
When you talk about talking fast, you got to slow down. Okay, so the two life tools from today's class are specifically for translators. The guidelines for translators.

First of them is that Vinaya Sutra and sometimes sutra has a different meaning than what it usually means. So as translators, we always need to remember that words sometimes might have different meanings than what we think we know they mean. What's an alternate English translation of Vinaya Sutra that you might use?

Alternate English translation? Yeah, don't use Sanskrit. I mean, it's silly to translate Vinaya Sutra as Vinaya Sutra.

[Speaker 2]
That's... We need to think about it. The English without...

[Speaker 1]
Like in Yoga Sutra, what does sutra mean? A short book. Call it a short book.

A short book on ethics.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
That's the translation. Don't call it sutra. Yeah.

It's so frustrating. People say, you know, Vajracchedika Sutra. And you're like, could you translate, please?

A short book on ethics could be another advanced level of DCI.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
That's fourth, actually. The fourth life tool from today. So what I was going to mention is that sometimes words have different meanings and we as translators we learned at school one meaning but the word might have another meaning as well.

And I've been a final editor of many translations of Geshe-la's different projects and programs and I know that oftentimes translators just miss that. And there were like funny things going on. But sometimes we really need to check the dictionary even if we think we know the word.

Or we need to, second tool, we need to gather together. Because the students of Lord Buddha they got together and asked each other what did you hear? How did you understand this?

Let's write it down for further generations together. It wasn't someone's individual kind of masterpiece. Right?

And that's very important that we need to do as translators. We need to all discuss all together. And some maybe one translator who isn't invited might bring a really valuable input that will stay for further generations.

Cool. Now let's let someone else try.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Who else has got an idea? Thank you. Great idea.

Hi. Xiaoping, you got another victim?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Let me see somebody online.

[Speaker 1]
If you want to share, you can always raise your hand so I can see you. They're too scared. You're going to have to pick them.

How would you use this if you're real? Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Liang Cui Ling. Would you like to share? Thank you very much.

[Speaker 1]
Can I speak Chinese?

[Speaker 2]
Okay. She wants to say English. Yeah, sure.

I can translate for you. Thank you. Oh, no.

There's somebody who can translate. I heard that we need to study these 8 languages in order to preserve these ancient classics. When I heard this, I thought the translators are really, really amazing.

Actually, I also want to do such meaningful work. Okay. Thank you.

In case you don't hear the English translation, I'll translate what she said.

[Speaker 1]
She said today it's very important to learn the 8 different languages so we could preserve them. I feel that all these translators are amazing. I also want to do this kind of thing.

Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Wonderful.

[Speaker 2]
Another person?

[Speaker 1]
Just study with Mr. Word. Yeah. Marina?

No? Alex Riva, are you translating?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, okay. Jacqueline, would you like to share? Sure.

[Speaker 1]
I was just thinking about who the author was bowing down to. I remember you all saying that that is a message for what's going to be talked about in the book. I took this general bowing down to the lineage as a reminder of how important it is to pass these teachings on and perhaps even for people to take vows so that the Dharma will stay in this world.

Oh, my God.

[Speaker 2]
Wow, thank you. Yeah, it is...

[Speaker 1]
Xiaoping? Go ahead, Xiaoping. You go ahead.

You were going to say something. Oh, sorry. Yes.

Yeah. We are talking about normally we study the disciplines. Also, very important is that we take the vows and we apply them individually.

Thank you. I have this... Xiaoping?

Yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 2]
For me, thinking about the lineage and that everything that we have we've ever learned has been passed down to us from the past and to have incredible gratitude for them and to know that that's where we've learned everything from walking and reading Tibetan or whatever it is and how important that is to recognize and not think that you're just standing here and doing it all by yourself.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and I think whatever... I mean, those past lineages it was hard work. It was a lot of fundraising and you know, we do it.

We do all this fundraising. We do all this hard work and we think we're different but every generation did it. Somebody carved this stupid book.

I mean, gosh. That's like five, six years of work for 10, 20 people. Somebody has to pay for it.

That's the way it is. That's the way it's always been.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you. I think all of us here today are all contributing to the preservation of this priceless knowledge. And I saw Diamond Mountain people.

Would you all like to share?

[Speaker 1]
You got two minutes. Anybody here? Dr. Brady, you have any?

We'll say anything. You can come up. I got John Brady here.

Let's ask the... Let's get it from the horse's mouth. That's our...

Xiaoping, do you know this idiom? No. We say from the horse's mouth.

It means from the true source. I'm thinking we should go through the catalog entries in Mongolia as well. Yeah.

Hi, Xiaoping. Hi. How do you think people could use today's class in real life or what lessons do you gain from today's class?

Don't you just want to get ordained? I got you. Come on.

[Speaker 2]
It does feel that way to me. You know, I think the lineage is alive and well. That's one of the most important components that comes across in this class.

You're the living, breathing recipients of what we're doing for the next two, 32 generations forward. I mean, that's what's going on. It's almost like we can pinch ourselves to realize that we're a thread to keep it alive.

We have to continue doing the work. It makes me cry. It's incredibly beautiful.

I bow at your lotus feet, all you translators who use the database.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you for the database.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you so much.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, Xiaoping, I'm going to kick you out. We got to go to the world news from the best restaurant in the world.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you for the teaching. Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
I look forward to see your homework. Thank you. Mr. Juan Hasso.

[Speaker 2]
Hello, Geshe-la. How are you?

[Speaker 1]
I'm going to unpin myself. How do I do that? There we go.

Go for it, Hasso. Hey, it's good to see you all over there again. First of all, today we want to share with you just a few of the upcoming events just before we move on to have a small talk with Rob Haggerty.

Be ready in about two, three minutes. Then we're going to have a special talk with Utpala. She's going to share with us.

Rob Haggerty is getting ready with the refreshments. I don't know. I can see that.

He's bumping around. In the meantime, let me just show you a few events that are coming up very soon that you may want to know about. I'm going to share my screen with you and talk about these events.

From YSI, we have a few upcoming events very soon. The closest one is this one. Next Wednesday, they're having a special Lady Niguma for the World event.

Hosted by Veronica Ho at 8 p.m. New York time. If you're interested, it's in two days from now. They also have this special event they're going to be hosting in Kyoto in December.

This is very cool because they just found this new distributor called, I think it's Prema. Very good teachers are going to be teaching the classes there like Errol, Connie, Benji, Alfonso, Bob as well. Check it out from December 12 to December 18 in Japan.

They are the first distributors of Lady Niguma there in Japan. Check it out. Next, they're going to be having the Yoga Retreat, Hatha Yoga Pradipika in Diamond Mountain, December 27 to January 2, the second.

This is a great chance to start using some of the Kriyas that the Hatha Yoga Pradipika talks about.

[Speaker 2]
It's a very practical retreat. It may be very interesting.

[Speaker 1]
Errol is going to be running that retreat in Diamond Mountain. Just after that, a few days later, we're going to have the Hatha Yoga Pradipika happening at the Sedona College, January 18 to January 19. For all of you that may be interested in going to Kyoto, I just want to give a quick reminder that the Sedona College is having their Sumit over there.

If you want to be part of it, follow the QR codes. There is the Telegram, the WeChat QR code. Sugen and his wife Xin Tian are organizing this event.

It's going to be very cool. Special meetings, special events, parties, laughs, fun and interesting topics. Check it out.

If you go to Japan, you should check it out. Of course, this is kind of a part of a bigger program called The Power to Dream. That's happening December 5 to the 11.

Over there in Kyoto, Japan, I have here beautiful things about it. Check it out if you have the time. It's coming up very soon.

Just to finish, to remind you all that we have this project, John Brady's Private Community on Patreon. We just had JB a few moments ago. If you want to hear more about what he has to say about his own personal experience applying this ancient wisdom or special meditations, special classes, check this website where you can get more in contact of every material that he is sharing these days.

Just as a reminder, that was the news for today. Now, we go with Rob Hagerty because he has a very cool news to share with us. Rob, are you around?

Hi. You have this one. Stop.

Hi. Rob, I just saw you got a new car. How's that?

Yeah, I did. That was my first system result. What's your advice for all of us people mortals who want to achieve our dreams like you?

Don't you get a car?

[Speaker 2]
Anyone?

[Speaker 1]
Don't help somebody who needs to buy a car? He's been helping a lot of people to buy cars. He helped Ukrainian refugees to buy cars and he helped my sister-in-law to buy cars.

He does all the hard work. Okay. I'll have to talk to you more in depth soon.

But for now, tell us more about your new project that I think many of us really appreciate. It's very interesting. For many, many months, I was hoping that something like that come out and be available for the public.

Now you just managed to put together Geshe Michael's calendar. Can you tell us a little bit about that? How did you put it together and where can we access it?

How can we use it for? I just put it together. Geshe-la took it for...

[Speaker 2]
He was working on it, I think, for... How long did he have to sit with it?

[Speaker 1]
Took about two months.

[Speaker 2]
He took his paper calendar away on vacation and kind of mapped out this whole year. Essentially, which he was suggesting, I think, many of us do, is to sort of like maybe in all of our lives, maybe getting a paper calendar and looking at all the kind of things that we want to accomplish throughout the year.

[Speaker 1]
Not just courses, but maybe goals, which I think is a really great idea. I've sort of done the same thing. We can look at our whole year and see kind of where we want to go.

[Speaker 2]
Then I think it allows students around the world who want to maybe plan their lives because everyone has busy lives, regular jobs, or married or relationships.

[Speaker 1]
It's funny because the reality is that what I posted online, which you'll upload in a little bit, is sort of like the public version of his calendar. You can see in there sort of the translation or prepping. What we didn't put in there is a lot of personal stuff, which is quite a bit.

Rob? I guess Geshe-la may have the microphone because he stood up and now we can hear you.

[Speaker 2]
Can you hear that right now?

[Speaker 1]
Does that help? Perfect. Did you hear all the baby noises?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
He was playing with Sushumna. Yes, I don't know what you heard actually. Not much.

Just something about... No, I don't know. I'll tell you what.

When you asked me about this, I thought the main thing was how do I talk about this applying to real life?

[Speaker 2]
I think the main takeaway I've taken is not being afraid to do jobs or roles that are maybe not in your comfort zone and sort of give you that ability to maybe grow and move outside of your comfort zone and challenge yourself. For me, it's been something like that which has allowed my mind to see how someone else is seeing the world and how their time is affected and sort of stepping outside of me and then stepping outside of my comfort zone and really learning a new skill set, which at the end of the day, I think really helps us grow as sort of a human being.

[Speaker 1]
That's very cool, Rob. Where can we access this public calendar that is ready nowadays? Where can we...

Yeah. I put it in the Dropbox, actually. If you didn't get it, we could probably upload it into the chat.

There's a PDF that we made for the most recent SCIM session. On the bottom, there's two links. One for people who have a Google platform and others who might be more useful with a Microsoft platform.

In this way, it incorporates everyone in the world regardless of what region they're in. Okay. Thank you very much.

You all know now that there is an official calendar, available. You can use it to... If you're interested in specific teachings or traveling here, traveling there, it's a very good tool to have.

You know what's coming up soon. You know what just happened. That may be very useful to make some good plans.

Okay. Rob, thank you very much. I'll talk to you again soon.

Now, we're going to go to Utpala. Hello. How are you?

I'm doing well. Thank you. How are you?

Good. Thank you as well.

[Speaker 2]
I cannot see you yet, but I can hear you very well. Okay. Arina, I think it's going to help us or somebody to spotlight you.

Perfect.

[Speaker 1]
As you may know, Utpala is one of the Mixed Nuts translators. These days, we are on this task of letting you all know a little bit more about each one of the translators by getting to know a little bit more of their background, their likes, their dislikes, their hobbies, and other things. Today, we have the chance to spend some time with Utpala.

I would like to start asking you, Utpala, if you can tell us how did you get involved into this interest for this ancient wisdom and how little by little your inclination was more towards the very scholarly and translation side of things. Did you study something in high school or in college that started taking you there? What's your story about that?

Actually, it's just simply that I was diagnosed as suicidal when I was younger, a young adult.

[Speaker 2]
I had tried everything. I had every perfect boyfriend everyone could have. I had every perfect job.

I had every perfect diploma and degree. I was not happy.

[Speaker 1]
A friend suggested that I try meditation.

[Speaker 2]
I first went to a Goenka-style meditation retreat, which I found boring because it was just my mind yelling at myself for 10 days.

[Speaker 1]
Then the next thing I did is I went to a retreat on the Lam Rim. They talk about when a seed pops open. It was just so very clear.

Immediately, my depression disappeared. It has never returned.

[Speaker 2]
When I heard about the wish to achieve enlightenment, it was like, that's my purpose.

[Speaker 1]
That's my purpose, that everyone should have true happiness that is outside of the cycle of suffering. It just made complete and perfect sense to me. Every opportunity I took, I went to teachings and did retreats.

How old were you when you started studying this ancient wisdom? I think I was 35, 36, something like that.

[Speaker 2]
I'm 64. Wow.

[Speaker 1]
About 30 years off. How did you move into the translation? Did you ever find attracted to languages or it was more of the pursuit of the wisdom inside of the books?

For me, I've always had an interest in words and in communication. I've always been involved with words, whether writing or editing. In my professional, in my scholastic life.

I really had no idea that translation would be something that I could do. It's just by the kindness of my lama that I'm doing this. That's awesome.

Do you like it?

[Speaker 2]
Do I like it? I love it.

[Speaker 1]
That's awesome. I have the best job in the world. Absolutely the best job in the world.

I think this is a very cool time. Thank you for sharing in the sense that we can get to see a little bit of people's private life or personalities. I think this segment can be very cool for the audience to connect more with all of you translators little by little.

Still is very short time as it has happened with other translators, but I think we are all very grateful for you sharing with us these things and it gives us a little window to access more the lives of these amazing 12 translators. Thank you very much for sharing. We're going to have to go back to Geshe Michael and work.

I'll see you next time. Thank you. Back to you again.

Thank you.