Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 53

[Speaker 1]
Oh, hey, just about time. Welcome to Xuanzang's Tower, everybody. We have an exciting Saturday morning, evening, afternoon for you.

We've got class with Mr. Tim Leuenhaupt, who it looks like he may be hosting at his house as well. So that's cool. And then he'll do some discussion and we'll have the pastry world news.

So it looks like you're ready, Tim. Tim, this wins or not? Wow.

Wow, Nick, you know, it's good to see you too. Hey, it only took eight years, Nick. No, no, no, no.

This is one that Tim and I over eight years ago. I thought you were pointing out that I don't think your daughter learns faster than me. I hope so.

I don't like this because it makes me looks like my hair. Close the curtains behind you. Makes me look more bald than I am.

We can close it. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

I have to deal with it. Nick, did I really tie that one for you? Uh-huh.

Like nine or ten years ago. It should be a world record. Go where dad ties your tie.

Then you grow up. Keep using it. Okay, Tim, homework.

So I have a homework. I hear a but coming. My brain isn't completely on 100% online.

And I saved the wrong thing. And I saved two homeworks ago on top of it. So we're out of the homework.

So we're out of the homework. But I do have a couple questions that I think will help set us up for. That'll just set us up to know what the heck's going on in the text right now.

Okay. So. So the first question is something like.

If someone presents a position. Like, let's say. Idea about, like, for example, from the mind only school.

Does that mean that they're a mind on the list. In there. Of course not.

Yes. Consider. Except word.

So that's, so that's really the. The crux of the, of what's happening right now is. Word.

Is basically. As is basically making that claim. That if you.

If you spoke the mind only school. Then. You're you.

Are the mind only person. And then even goes a little bit further to even make a claim that because the Buddha said it's. Then the Buddha must be a mind only person as well.

So. So then there's a secondary argument for us to. To.

That. That we're trying to determine. My Lord, my tray of status.

And his relationship to RAS. So is my tray. If my tray.

Spoke. Does it mean that it's the speech of the Buddha? And did.

And does his speech mean that it's a classical commentary or because Arya Sangha wrote it down, wrote it is a classical commentary. So there's this sort of like. We're trying to determine we're arguing.

Between all of those points. Can we say that. Can we say that it's a principle of this text that.

Classical commentary and a sutra are contradictory. No, nothing can be both. Can we say that.

If we define. That's what the whole argument is. If we define sutra as the speech of a Buddha.

Okay. Yes. Of an enlightened being.

Of an enlightened being. Cool. All right.

That was my homework. Yay. Yay.

I like that homework. I personally like that homework. I'm going to use that excuse every single time.

My dog ate my commands. You know, his cat ate his homework. And then it put the cat to sleep.

During the meditation today. It was extraordinary. And he was snoring.

And it wasn't me. Do you want to go through your review first or do you want me to do my translation first? Oh, you have a translation.

[Speaker 2]
I do.

[Speaker 1]
I actually did say that.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, well, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Stop sharing. That's the part that's wrong. So that's the best part.

All right. Okay. I love to criticize you.

Nice. Where is my, where is this? Here we are.

Okay. All right. You're only seeing part of it.

That's okay. That's what you picked up, right? I picked up on the next line up.

Why is it? Huh. No, because you're not seeing.

Is everyone seeing the part that starts with Duna or is it frozen on something else? It's frozen on something else. Okay.

All right. Let's try that again. Hey.

Oh, there it goes. There we go. Okay, cool.

So, okay. You have to read it. Do it now.

Shenmue. Then drew. Then, then drew pillow.

Then do to tell her. Yeah. By the way, if it ends with tello rather than tell, you don't have to worry about up or down.

You just read it. Oh, okay. That's my first question, is if I went through this whole thing and understood it correctly, we end up here with a serna?

But everything before that is actually the kachikus. Yeah, you can say the whole thing is kachikus. Okay, cool.

All right, good. I believe so. At least I understood that, maybe.

Well, I'm not sure. Okay. So, Duna, if you say the mind only is Lord Buddha's position, right?

Then what's the translation say? It must be the case that... Yeah.

Okay, good. Dependent things exist. Truly.

Because why? Why? Because GZHAN DBANG LDAN DUG is a mind only school anchored tenant.

Which basically means if something performs a function, it's real. If fire can burn you, then it's real. Okay, keep going, please read.

YANG GANG DANG PHAN CHUN MI DGA' BA LTA'O Now, are you going to go up or down there? Because that was pretty wimpy. It was wimpy.

I mean to say that he agrees with this. Yeah, so you go up. MI DGA' BA LTA'O No, they're not contradictory.

No, the word capital W of the Buddha and a classical commentary are not... they are not contradictory. One thing can be both because...

YIN PAR MA BSTAN CHOS YIN PA'I PHYIR Yeah, YIN PAR MA, basically the Middle Mother Sutras. Okay, I guess they're talking about... I don't know which one they're talking about.

There's a hundred thousand verses, there's twenty thousand verses, there's ten thousand verses, there's eight thousand verses, there's Heart Sutra, there's Dhammakaya. Anyway, the Medium Length Mother Sutra is a shastra. Do you agree?

That sutra is a shastra. You're supposed to say, Okay, all right. The other guy says, Shastra and sutra are not contradictory because the Medium Sutras of the Mother, which is Perfection of Wisdom, spoken by Lord Buddha, are shastras.

Which is crazy, because shastra means a classical commentary by a non-Buddha. But he's claiming that the Middle Length Perfection of Wisdom Sutras are shastras. Then we're going to say, dakma du, right?

We're going to say, I disagree. Then Tim, what's going to happen? Oh, do I need to keep going?

Yes, please. Or falsely. So we say, I disagree.

Read it and do the tau up or down correctly. In this case, it's still... He believes it, so do you go up or down?

He believes it, yes, he goes up. Yeah, when you believe it, you go up. You go up indignantly.

Da-ta? Da-ta? That's what it is.

Because dey ten-ju chenpo yinpun chen. Because it's the great classical commentary. It is the mighty classical commentary.

Is that a khyapa? If something is the mighty commentary, is it a commentary? Absolutely.

Definitely. No, because maybe mighty commentary is a nickname for a sutra. Right.

Okay? That's all. That's the punchline here.

But you didn't get there yet. Keep going. I did this backwards, sorry.

Because it's still him talking. Okay, so he still agrees, so indignantly. So he goes up or down?

He goes up. Da-ta? Ten-ju chenpo nam shek se.

Che sungpay chir ser na. Yeah, good. He's quoting a very famous line.

I think it's from Haribhadra. So a lot of Tim's text is, obviously Arya Sangha commenting or cooperating with Maitreya. But then in the monastic textbooks, we place a lot of emphasis on the two commentaries by Haribhadra, who followed them and wrote very huge commentaries.

The most famous line from his commentaries is this line. It's been excerpted from a four-line verse, which every kid has to memorize in the Geshe course first thing. In the first week, they have to memorize this verse.

It's very elegant, and it's very famous. So I went and got it, and I thought we should read it together. Okay, so here we go.

So basically, we say we disagree that it's the great classical commentary. Good. Yeah, and he says it is too great.

And then I wasn't sure how to translate this based on just what he gave us. Right, and you don't have to do this. We'll do a horse to get you right now.

And then you can go back and do it correctly, because it's taken out of context. Right, so I actually attempted to translate that verse as well. Good, let's go see it.

Oops, shared the wrong file. Sorry. Why aren't you sharing the right file?

Cat got it? The cat ate your file? Which cat?

There we go. Okay. I'm going to have digital cats that eat digital files.

That'd be a great bug to write. I think I'll bring... yeah, okay.

So, would you like to have someone read the verse? This is Haribhadra's famous verse. Sure, Chloe, could you read...

I think you'll have to come up here just so it'll hear it. In the blue. It'll be movable.

And read it in... it's in mirror as well. It's in what?

Mirror as well.

[Speaker 2]
Good. Nice. Oh, I lost my connection.

Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Why don't you guys go through it together and I'll help if you need. Okay. So, this first line is quite famous.

I mean, we actually see it in a lot of other works that you will get to when you may be in your Diamond Way studies as well. So, Dro, who are the Dros? Here it's Drowai as a noun.

Yeah. Who are those people? Who are the Drowas?

It means semten. It's a semi-noun for semten. Goer.

All right. And then we have chakpa.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, like Arya?

[Speaker 1]
It's similar to dechak. It's kind of like desire? Yeah.

Usually it can translate as attachment. Attachment. Okay.

Drola chakpe. Yeah, so we have attachment here. Then we have kun.

Kun?

[Speaker 2]
All.

[Speaker 1]
All, right? Yeah. Chakse.

I translated this wrapped. Yeah. Good.

Well, actually I didn't translate it. Geshe-la translated it and I took it from his hands.

[Speaker 2]
I did.

[Speaker 1]
I didn't remember. So anyway, kun chak is to come together. It should be read together.

Kun chak. Kun chak, come together. Come together.

Okay. So they have attachment to all living beings because they have super attachment. Something like that.

Okay. Who's Pakpe Tokme? Good.

[Speaker 2]
Arya.

[Speaker 1]
And who's Tokme? One of us might be the author of our text. Unstrikeable.

Unstoppable. Asanga. Asanga.

Asanga. Yeah. Kopa is protector or protection.

Yeah. And I didn't know how to put that together, Kopani. It's like.

It's like exaggeration. The one and only protector. The one and only protector.

Okay. All right. All right.

And then what's this key doing here?

[Speaker 2]
Grammar piece.

[Speaker 1]
Good. Nice. It's a grammar case.

Yes. I thought it was to kiss somebody. Key.

But it's not of. It has the. Instrumental.

Yeah, by. By. So in this way, by.

Right? And then Mipham is an epithet for Maitreya. And it means unconquerable.

What's the Sanskrit Mipham? I don't know. Ajita, I guess.

Ajita. Yeah. Ajita is still a common name in India.

Ajita. Unbeatable. So let's go a little bit backwards here.

So what's ne? From.

[Speaker 2]
From.

[Speaker 1]
From. Why would you say, like. I'm having listened to the.

Great unconquerable protector rather than. Lord Maitreya. Does everyone.

I just put it in there just. Just so we, so we know what's going on. It's not a finalized yet.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. So, so from having. He just told you the answer.

So what's then. It's an honorific. Of.

Of. To. So, so.

To some.

[Speaker 2]
Oh. To some.

[Speaker 1]
To is.

[Speaker 2]
Right.

[Speaker 1]
Nope. What is it? What happened before you do those two things?

You know, the Milarepa thing.

[Speaker 2]
Oh. Right. Dharma.

[Speaker 1]
Right. Right.

[Speaker 2]
Listen.

[Speaker 1]
What is Milarepa's nickname? Topanga. Topanga.

Topanga. The one who enjoys listening. Yeah.

Stan is the honorific. Yeah. So from having listened to.

Our protector, that protector. The unconquerable. Okay.

Some. Composed. Say.

The great. Not. What was tension?

Right. Right. Which is.

Exquisitely detailed or excellent or. Together. There we go.

We did. We did something. No, but I'll.

I'll tell you there's a. There's a very difficult thing in the last line. It's ambiguous.

Why? Because we don't know who composed. Or it's.

It's composed. It's composed or explained. Right.

Is it an explanation of. Of a shastra? Or is it the shastra which is an explanation?

Oh, okay. You see. Yeah, yeah.

Right there. And I would have read it, you know, except for today. I would normally read it.

He wrote. The explanation, the great shastra. But our, our debaters want to take it a different way.

They want to take. The jewel of. The jewel of realizations.

Abhisam Alankara. They want to take it. As an explanation, namshe.

Of the great venture. The medium sutras of the mother. See what I mean?

Oh, I see what they did.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
That's, that's why our debater has used it. That makes. I wasn't sure.

He says, Bhadra agrees with me. Haribhadra says. That they wrote.

Haribhadra says that Arya Sangha, having listened to Maitreya. Wrote. A commentary to the great shastra.

Meaning the middle. Perfection sutras. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to swallow. No, but you understand? Do you guys understand?

He's saying. He says. Asanga.

Listen to Maitreya. And based on what he heard. He wrote a commentary.

To the great commentary. And the great commentary in that line. Means the mother sutras.

The mother. Perfection wisdom sutras. Okay.

That's how our debater is reading it. That's how he's reading Haribhadra. But you could read it.

And I've always read it as. Asanga listened to Maitreya. And wrote the explanation, comma.

The great commentary. See what I mean? It depends whether you take this as a positive.

Or if you take it as a. The other thing. Possessive.

And that's an interesting. I think we're going to allow it. I don't think we're going to call him on that.

We're going to agree that the great commentary in this case. Is the mother sutras. The perfection wisdom sutras.

Okay. And that's extremely twisted from where the argument was. Now the argument went totally off.

And it'd be easy to lose it. And to get lost here. Okay.

I'll say it again. Haribhadra, who is the most famous commentator to Asanga. Says that Asanga wrote an.

Explanation of the great commentary. After listening to Maitreya. Rather than saying he wrote an explanation which was a great commentary.

He said he wrote an explanation of the great commentary. Meaning the mother sutras. The perfection wisdom sutras.

In that case. Shastra became a sutra. Sorry, sutra became a shastra.

The great shastra. And then, yeah, great shastra, just a name. It's just like one explanation.

It's not saying it's a shastra in the classical sense of a. Written by a human being. This is why this is going to take us 70 years.

Yeah. By the way, we have gone at a record slow pace through this book. I've never heard of it.

I think we did two pages last year. Because he keeps referring to other books. And I keep having to go get them.

So, sorry about that. That's okay. You sure are learning the stuff.

By the way, in the Geshe course, this book is 12 years. Yeah. So, it's half of the Geshe course.

All right. So, then that will change a little bit. Good job, Chloe.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. So, that will change a little bit of what we say here. Yeah.

Why would you say it? Because it is so the great classical commentary. Why?

Because in the Hariputra's verse, he says... Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We disagreed that the mother sutras are classical commentary. Right. And then he comes back with, well, Hariputra said the mother sutras were classical commentary.

Okay? In his famous verse. Okay.

Are you done? I'm done, yes. All right.

Grandpa's taking the plane. And we'll drive it a little wacky. Let's see here.

I wanted to do a progress report. And I've been working on some other... I've been working on some evaluations of ALL.

And how much do we have to go, and how much have we done. And it's hard to get a handle on it, because it's been almost 40 years now. We've been working on it almost 40 years.

And here's some observations, okay? We started on this particular book three years ago. 23, 24, 23.

Yeah. We are covering four folios per year. And just the first of the eight volumes is 77 folios.

So at this rate, we'll get through the first volume. The first of Tim's books will take 20 years. And then there's eight of them.

So I might call on some help from Taiwan, I don't know. But don't tell him yet, because he might run away. But those present are never without excuse.

Those absent are never without fault. It means if he's not here, he might get stuck with extra work. Okay?

And he can't defend himself. All right. Okay, so yeah.

I don't even know if we should publish the first book as one book, because it would be six or seven hundred pages. The first volume. Even just the first volume, yeah.

It would be about seven to eight hundred pages. And we know from Adam's book, taking it to Kyoto, you can only put one in each suitcase. So it's really heavy.

It's good for hitting your partner. So I'm thinking we might want to split the first volume, because it's also more fun. Tim is the only translator of the twelve who has not put out a book now.

Everyone's put out one book. He started late. He was a late bloomer.

So did Gibson. He has like two books out. Well, Gibson, we did some baby books, because we wanted to get them out for other reasons.

So we might want to add a second translator somewhere. I don't know how to do it, but we'll see. And then here's the point I wanted to make today.

The weight given to this topic, meaning the lower middle way school, in the sungbum, would justify that. And I ran some numbers on the sungbum that we have input. We've input about five percent of the books I want to input.

There are about ten times that, that are, in my opinion, not worthy of input at this time. They are not useful. We will never refer to them.

They have a lot of mistaken ideas. I'm not interested in... We should finish the great books first.

And then if people three generations from now want to input the kids' books, I don't mind. But I thought I would try to impress on you how the great books of the last thousand years are weighted, which topics are heavier, which topics are lighter. Lower middle way is almost 30 percent of all the pages written in Tibet in the last thousand years.

Tim's topic is 30 percent. There should be four translators on it, if you judge from the classics. Higher middle way is only 20 percent, much less, like only two-thirds of lower middle way, because lower middle way really covers everything well, correctly.

And they have a slight mistake on emptiness, and that is corrected by the books of Prasangika. But Prasangika does not cover all the basic information about middle way. That's done in the Svatantrika.

That's done in the lower middle way school. Lower middle way school does the heavy lifting. They make a mistake on one item, and then the higher middle way gets credit for fixing it.

And that's why you spend 12 years in lower middle way first, and of course only four years in higher middle way. You spend one-third of the time in higher middle way that you spend in lower middle way. Because lower middle way gives all the information, and then higher middle way clarifies it.

They fix one point, basically. So really if you're going to have 12 translators, according to the material available, you should have four people working on Tim's book. At least that's what the writers in the last thousand years have thought would be the right percentage.

We have in our database the equivalent of 29,000 pages of lower middle way. We have 21,000 pages of higher middle way. Chittamatra word, 2%.

And there's only 25 major words. Out of so far we've input 1,000 books, there's only 25 mind-only books. So we're going to run out of material for word pretty soon.

I have a plan, he has a plan, my plan will prevail. But you will be excited, I predict. You will be on board.

But I'm not ready to reveal it. Anyway, I think we just about ran out of the great classics. Mind-only, which is what we wanted.

We want to cover them before we go to the next world. Chittamatra is in good shape. Mind-only is in good shape.

Hamana, which is basically Adam and Ben. I think they should be 20% of our workforce, which is two people. And that's 20,000 pages of English and Nian.

And that's only 5% of what I want to do. Okay, so basically multiply that times 20. I want to do half a million pages of Hamana.

And I have a proposal for it, but I'm not going to tell you yet. Abhidharma, it should be about 10% of our workforce. It is about 10% of our workforce.

And we're pretty much on track there. Stanley's first book was just finished. We have to write the introduction and clean it up, but it's done.

And it's great. It's a good book. It's well done.

You warm enough? Okay. Vinaya, which is Xiaoping's book, we just finished her book.

We still have to write the introduction. I'm working on the introduction now. And I'm working on the author's life and stuff like that.

So that should be 20% of our workforce. That should be basically two people, maybe. But we're okay.

Because I did not include here Lamrim and Lojong. So that's going to take another translator or two. Right now, already input.

We have about 80 million words of text. In 37 years, we've done 80 million words. Checked.

Clean. Good job. John Brady.

All right. And not really John. This is extraordinary stuff in the overseas entry centers.

Who have worked their whole life for us. Now their kids are working next to them. Which is kind of cool.

All right. Tim, let's go. Sorry.

Okay. Okay. Who's going to read?

How about Anastasia Mazarova?

[Speaker 2]
Geshe-la, you're not going to talk about the higher middle way, Prasangika?

[Speaker 1]
You mentioned all the schools except for that. Well, I did. Prasangika's here.

It's 20% of Tsumbum. In theory, we should have two people working on it. Basically, we do because Adam's text covers a lot of Prasangika also, and Utpala's text covers Prasangika.

We're pretty much on track there. Okay. Back to...

I just want people to understand, when you talk about middle way Madhyamika, maybe 75% of the information that you need is presented in lower Madhyamika, and it's correct. And then only on the emptiness part, technical emptiness part, you have to call in the higher Madhyamika guys, and they never write about the other 75%. They never cover all the topics we're learning in Tim's book.

They just cover the details of emptiness that the lower middle way didn't get right. You see what I mean? So to get the meat on the middle way, you have to study lower middle way for 12 years.

Then you get to study the dessert for four years. So I think people tend to downgrade or downplay the lower middle way. We call them lower middle way.

But 90% of what they teach is high quality, and correct, and necessary for a balanced understanding of Buddhism. More than you would expect. Which is why his book is so long.

Okay, go. Anastasia, can you read the next line please?

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Very nice reading. I'll give you this sign. That's also how much breakfast I got today.

Okay. Okay. RGYUN MED DE means...

So we're now back to us, like our side is saying, this isn't a problem. This actually isn't a problem. Now, this expression is pretty beautiful.

DE'I RTEN CIG GI BRAL ZHES DU YOD PA DE'I RTEN CIG GI BRAL ZHES DU YOD PA Read YOD PA as fits. Fits. What...

Meaning the classical... Go back and see what it said before. No, don't have to worry about it.

Let's just read this. It does fit the... The literal explanation of the word shastra.

Okay. Okay. The great shastra is not a shastra, but we can call it a shastra because it fits the description of a shastra.

The classical explanation of a shastra, which is partly linguistic, because shastra means to cut and to protect. So CIG RGYAL means fix and protect, which is pretty much the classical literal definition of the word shastra. So do the Mother Perfection Wisdom Sutras repair and protect?

Yes. Yeah, so they fit the meaning of the word shastra. They are not shastras, but they fit the literal meaning of the word shastra, like roach.

Got it? We can call the Perfection Wisdom Sutras shastras because they protect people and they keep people out of trouble. That's the literal explanation of the word shastra.

That's all. So those Mother Sutras fit the tone or the intention of the word shastras. But we're not trying to say they're shastras.

They're not. They're not written by a human being. But they do fit the tone, don't they?

If you define the tone of a shastra as CIG RGYAL, protecting and keeping somebody out of trouble, they are shastras, according to the dashay, according to the literal meaning of the name. But are they shastras? No.

They don't fit the definition of a shastra. Why? They fit the tone of a shastra, but they don't fit the definition of a shastra, because the definition is it should be written by a human being, okay?

Like my chair. All right. Keep going.

I'm just trying to pull your chin. Okay. Dear Thal?

How about Uta? Yay, Uta. Uta Sharf.

Yay, Uta. We miss you, Uta.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I miss you. I really do. Thank you so much.

All right.

[Speaker 1]
Hi.

[Speaker 2]
Hi, Thal. Thank you so much. I'm fine.

Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, dey te is an idiom that you probably wouldn't know, and it means on this topic, relevant to this topic. Dey te means straight to that. It means on this topic of what?

Whether it's a shastra or something. Those books fitting the intention of the word, but not the definition. They do protect, they do repair, but they're not written by humans, but they do fit the sense of the word shastra, the literal meaning of the Sanskrit.

They do fit the literal meaning, they don't fit the definition. Then he says, about that point, dey te, on that point, Namsa Yinpo Gen says, which means the, I don't know, the ornament of the essence of the explanation, which is written according to here, Dharmakirti Sri, who may not be the same as Dharmakirti, I'm not sure. And in that famous ten-year work, it says that they are the tenju chenpo dos.

They are the sutras which, in this case we would say kama, or which are- Yeah, good. They are the sutras that are great shastras, because they fit the literal meaning of shastra. Some other great author also describes the mother sutras as fitting the feeling of the word shastra, even though not the definition.

Got it? Because they protect people. And that's the literal meaning of shastra, to cut.

Scissor comes from that. Okay, cool. All right.

You can go see the text. I got it for you, due to John Brady's kindness. And by the way, he has not quoted it correctly.

Well, now you get into a problem. We're in a debate textbook. The writers of debate textbooks are normally master debaters.

And they may have learned a quotation during a debate late one night, you know, from some guy who quoted it. And you're not allowed to take the book into the debate ground, so you have to take the guy's word for it. And then you memorize it based on what he said.

And then years later, you look it up, and he didn't quote it correctly. And he won the debate, and he got the award. And you're like, wait a minute.

So anyway, it's useful in this book, especially to go check the original. So I've got the original, and Tim's going to decide who's going to read the original. Svetlana Clare, could you read that, please?

[Speaker 2]
Thank you so much. Paul?

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Thanks for your hard work with the five houses. It's really wonderful.

[Speaker 2]
Thanks a lot for the opportunity. With big letters. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yep.

[Speaker 2]
GANG GI ZHES NA, RTEN CHU CHEN PO ZHES BYA BA STE, ZHES RAB GYIS PAR OL TU CHIN PA'I DO'I DUN MA LUG PA, DU PAR BYED PA'I RTEN CHU CHEN PO STE, NGON PAR RDOG PA'I RGYEN ZHES BYA BA.

[Speaker 1]
Good. Very nice. Very nice reading.

You've got to slow down. You're getting faster than Tim. Okay.

I'm embarrassed. Okay, good. So don't forget, they claimed the quotation would support the idea that we could call the Mother Sutra shastras, because they fit the literal explanation of the word shastra, which means to cut, protect, sword, everything.

And here it goes. GANG GI ZHES NA. Who did it?

Who said that? Who did it? Okay.

BY WHOM? Means who did it? Okay.

Well, it was by the RTEN CHU CHEN PO. Again. And ZHES RAB GYIS PAR OL TU CHIN PA'I DO'I.

The Sutra of the Perfection of Wisdom. Yeah. DUN.

The meaning. The meaning of the Mother Sutra's MA LUG PA. All of it.

Okay, right. Leaving nothing. Every single important meaning in the Mother Sutra's DUN PA.

It includes. It embodies. Okay.

It includes every important topic from the Mother Sutra, for it is the RTEN CHU CHEN PO. Oh, I don't know if I agree with that. What?

Just because something has every meaning that's included in the sutra doesn't mean it's a classical commentary. No, but notice that the point is the opposite of what it was sold as. Oh.

If I do say so. Okay. What were they trying to sell to us as the point?

They were trying to say the Mother Sutras were the great... Commentary. ...commentary because they function in the meaning of SHAS. They cut, they protect, they repair. Therefore, he said the Mother Sutras could be referred to as the great commentary. Now he says we call it the great commentary because it includes all the points in the Mother Sutras.

That means he's not talking about the Protection. Mother Sutras. Got it?

I'll say it again. The quotation that he wanted to use to support his view does not refer to the Mother Sutras as the great commentary. It says we call it a great commentary because it includes all the meaning of the Mother Sutras.

It doesn't prove what he claimed to prove. Okay, either he heard it wrong in the debate ground or he's twisting it. Okay?

Then, well, then what the hell is the great commentary? Here it comes. But that was always a shastra.

Nobody ever said it wasn't a shastra. That doesn't prove the Mother Sutras are shastras. Proving that our shastra includes all the information of the Mother Sutras doesn't prove that the Mother Sutras are the great shastra.

In fact, the great shastra here is Abhisamahankara. And they have misquoted the quotation. Okay?

Got it? Nobody ever said the Mother Sutras fit the meaning of shastra. Okay?

Nobody ever said that. Okay? Anyway.

Don't buy it just because it's there in the book. Okay. And then to write this up and all the footnotes we're going to have to put in this.

All the footnotes are going to be longer than the book. Okay, who's going to read the next one, Tim? How about Oscar?

Oscar. Wait, you're going up and down, up and down. You're a bass player, you don't have that low note.

Nice. By the way, Oscar and Roxanne, the G-Box program that you helped invent in Mexico City last summer is successful. And one of the first great G-Box program will be held next week in Kyoto.

Adam Andrade will be the translator. Juan Haso will be the collaborator. And they're going to teach the emptiness of color, which is an extremely fascinating topic.

If you have time, come to Kyoto. If you don't... By the way, it's sakura season.

The cherry blossoms will be opening. I demanded on time. But if you don't have time to come, you can always watch it online.

And it's going to be the first great collaboration program between a translator and an ACI master. So that program was designed sitting at a restaurant table with Oscar and Roxanne in Mexico City. So thank you for that.

It happened and it worked. And we'd like to thank... I'm super excited about it.

Yeah, we should thank Nor and Seiji and Rob Ressinger for the money. Okay. Okay.

By the way, those grants... We just approved the money yesterday for the next series of grants. So there are $5,000 grants.

And be there or be square? Like get one or shut up. Okay.

We just got a couple more applications as well. People woke up. They were meant especially for Latin America.

And I'm kind of disappointed that we don't have more applications. The ones that came from Latin America. All right, I'm waiting.

Yes. I mean, you know, or talk Geshe-la into it. Okay.

If that's not the case, Pabpa told me. Tim? I'm sorry, I was laughing about something else.

Arya Sangha. Good, Arya Sangha. You?

In this case, I think in the mind of him. Yeah, in his mind. In his mind.

LHAG BSAM NAM DAG He's taking the personal responsibility for the living beings. Yeah, I'll do it. If no one else helps all living beings, I'll still take care of it.

Okay. You got to have that nowadays. You got to have that attitude nowadays.

I don't care what the rest of the world Fs up. I'll take care of it. Okay.

THOG MED KYI RGYUD LHAG BSAM NAM DAG DE That LHAG BSAM NAM DAG is being called chakpa. Oh, it's being called attachment. Yeah.

Good chak translate as desire. Chakpa itself translate as attachment. And chak does mean...

We had Vinaya text, Xiaoping, don't let the rice chak on your hand as you eat, and then wave your hand around at the dinner table. So chak means stick or form, and it means to glom on to somebody else. Oh, I have attachment to you.

Okay. So normally it's a yomong. It's a mental classic.

It's a classical klesha. But here he says, it's LHAG BSAM NAM DAG. It's that personal responsibility.

It's... Yeah. When the root text says...

Whose root text? Haribhadra. When he says...

Now, first you snore and now you want breakfast. Sorry, I'm talking to my cat. Yeah, he says he has chakpa with chakpas.

He has attachment which attaches to all living beings. He's not talking about attachment. He's talking about LHAG BSAM NAM DAG.

Some people have attachment to breakfast. LHAG BSAM NAM DAG. Okay?

Personal. Personal. Ultimate personal responsibility.

For the universe. Not even for the world. For the universe.

That's a great way to gloss that. I like that. Yeah.

That's why they say DRO LA CHAGS PA'I KUN CHAGS RDZA'I. Okay? The RDZA'I makes it obviously a reference to...

Arya Sangha. Yeah, it's high honorific. High honorific.

They must be talking about somebody special. There must be some kind of Lama or a teacher or somebody. Some kind of master.

Okay. We got five minutes before we go into a 15-minute discussion led by Tim about how can you use all this stuff in your real life. So please start taking your questions or comments.

The worst thing is if nobody has a question or comment and everyone's just getting sleepy. Okay? All right.

There's Haribhadra's words about DRO LA CHAGS PA'I KUN CHAGS RDZA'I. Okay? And by the way, it's confusing because you want to think they're by a Sangha, but they are not.

They're about a Sangha, kind of. Okay? They're by Haribhadra.

Senggye Sangpo. The fine lion. The wonderful lion.

Okay. All right. Who wants to read?

How about Dodom? Yeah, Dodom. Yes.

[Speaker 2]
Also, KHYAB PA SKYES RGYUD MI NUS TE Nice.

[Speaker 1]
DE LHAG BSAM RNAMS BDAG RGYUN PA'I PHYIR Nice, very nice. You're getting better and better. Yeah.

So, does Arya Sangha have in his mind stream CHAGS PA? Attachment. Yeah, does he have attachment?

And then we say, Yeah, he does. Okay. And is it a bad thing?

RGYUN MI NUS You can't agree to that. Yeah, you can't agree that it's a problem. It's not a relationship for Arya Sangha, because it's a reference to LHAG BSAM RNAMS BDAG LHAG BSAM RNAMS BDAG Taking personal responsibility for every being in the universe.

So, this KHYAB PA SKYES, just so I understand what happens in these short little... You're the one who said one implied the other. Okay.

Which implied the other, you got to figure it out. But it was in the last sentence. Yeah.

Having that kind of CHAGS PA must mean that, I don't know, that his commentary was worthwhile or something like that. Okay. Fits the...

Fits the definition. Fits the... Fits the go...

The meaning, the literal meaning. Yeah, fits the protection thing. Because he had such powerful love for everybody, that fits the idea of protection in the word Shastra.

Okay. All right. Okay, we have it.

I like to... I get a lot of work done in the five minutes where everybody else quits. So, we're going to keep going.

Hey, Rob, could you read the next line? Uh-oh, Rob. We did, Juan, on your new show, you got to point out that the person snoring during our meditation was not Hagrid, it was the cat, Tim's cat.

Okay, and I want that noted on the recording. Does he usually snore or that was just a special treat? It was a...

No, it only happens in meditation. I hope my cat never starts snoring. Okay.

I would... Kachi? We're still going up?

YIM MA'I PHYIR YIM MA'I PHYIR Yeah. DER THAL DER THAL LUNG RNAM CHE LAS Yeah, okay, good. RGA LA BRTEN CIG GI KHYAB PA THAL Yeah, it must be the case.

By the way, this should be... When you say Khyaba, you got to be instrumental. Okay.

Okay, so this is a carving error or a mistake. Okay. We need the St. Petersburg copy. We do not have a carving of this text. We have a handwritten thing done in a jungle in West Bengal. Eight volumes by hand and it's not good.

And we don't... The only other copy I've ever seen was in St. Petersburg. It's sitting there, I can tell you the catalog number.

We just need to encourage someone to give us a copy. Okay. BRTEN CIG GI KHYAB PA THAL It is too the case that all RGA is BRTEN CIG.

That all speech of the Buddhas is a classical commentary. Yeah. Not just the Mother Sutra.

All the speech of the Buddhas... Well, at least fits the... Definition.

Fits the literal explanation of shastra, protecting. Okay. But...

I'll just... RGA DE GNOD GSUM PO GSUM PO, not GSUM PA. The three baskets.

All three pitikas. Pitikas, yeah. All tri of the pitika, which means tripitika.

Okay. All three of the baskets are DENG CIG. Classical commentaries.

All three of the... All three divisions of the speech of Lord Buddha are shastra. Not just the Mother Sutra.

Okay. And that... Why?

And that so is the case, because in the LUNG NAM BYED, whatever... Yeah, LUNG NAM BYED is a famous Vinaya text in the Kangyur. Okay.

It's a famous Vinaya work in here. You want to do the whole verse? Fast?

Sure. Okay. You read.

RGYAL BA RGYAL BA THAMS PA'I DE YI THAMS CAD NI GZOD DANG CHUD NYON YIN SEMS BLO BA NI THON THAMS PA'I NI RGYAL DE YI CHIR NI RGYUR CHAGS BYAR ROL PA'I CHOD GYIS BSKYED NA Nice. What are the DENG CIG of the Dönpang? What are the...

What are the classical commentaries of the teacher in here? of Lord Buddha. What are Shakyamuni's shastras?

Well, you can start with all the dongs. Yeah, start with all the sutras. Which is the...

When you say sutra pitaka and you say sutras, it's a different thing. The whole third of Buddha's teaching called sutra pitaka is called sutra, sutra basket. When they mention do, chen len, and dulwa, they're talking about the three baskets.

As baskets. How many teachings of Lord Buddha are shastras? Well, there's dul, meaning there's the sutra pitaka.

Yeah, the sutra basket. And then there's the chen len basket. Abhidharma basket.

Now you got two baskets covered. You got one basket left. What's the one basket?

Vinaya. Yeah. By the way, the three baskets are the bodies of books devoted to the three extraordinary trainings.

What's the correspondence? I'll give you the easy one.

[Speaker 2]
You do the hard one.

[Speaker 1]
Vinaya covers the extraordinary training of morality. Now, between Abhidharma and sutra, which one treats wisdom and which one treats concentration? Abhidharma treats wisdom and sutra treats concentration.

I believe that's correct. If word doesn't correct me in 30 seconds, it's correct. Now he says, look, how many shastras in the three pitakas?

Well, sutra pitaka is shastra. Abhidharma pitaka is shastra. Abhidharma and Vinaya...

By the way, he's quoting a Vinaya sutra. So they're going to be bragging about the Vinaya. You can expect the next two lines...

What do you call it?

[Speaker 2]
Anticipatory translation.

[Speaker 1]
They should be bragging about the Vinaya basket. But our basket... Our basket is dumba and tempa.

It's the teacher and the teaching? Yeah. Our basket, number three, Vinaya.

Usually people always say Vinaya last. Least important. And the Vinaya basket guys are like, our basket is the teaching and the teacher.

Okay? Good behavior is what teaches emptiness and meditation. That gives you the seeds to meditate and to understand emptiness.

We are the teacher. Our basket is the teacher and the teaching. Therefore, it's rupa of chak nyi gyur.

Gyur means multiplication, two times. It's worthy of two times prostrations. Yeah.

When you get to our pitaka, you should be bowing twice. Why? Our pitaka has the teacher and the teaching.

It's one teaching, chichi, which deserves a double prostration. Who would say that? Only the Vinaya guys.

Then I went and got you the quotation from the Vinaya. There it is. It's quoted correctly.

Most. Mostly. All right.

I'm out of here. Tim, you're on. I'm going to mark this just so I remember where we stopped.

Stopped here. What's the date today? 3?

15. It's March. Yeah.

Okay. We got to assassinate. No, just kidding.

Okay. All right. Okay.

All right. Come on. All right.

Cool. Let's stop this. All right.

Turn this guy off. All right. We can.

All right, cool. So the first thought that I have, and I think this is interesting for the. The upcoming five houses program, which I would, I'm hoping one.

And I can talk about this together at some point. On Peachtree. This, this idea that the, that of the three, three, if we take the three baskets as more each house.

Right. We have the house of morality with the house of concentration, the house of wisdom. Right.

And they're basically saying ours is the best. Like. That's the whole idea of the five houses.

You join a F you join one of the houses. And you go, my house is the best. Right.

And we're going to be doing, and we're going to be doing this really cool program in April. Well, we're going to, you're going to choose what house you're in. And you're going to.

Tell everyone else why your house is the best. Right. Hufflepuff.

She's Hufflepuff. So just keep that in mind as, as. You know, as, as that's going, like you can get, you can.

Get t-shirts. You can get excited about it and you can tell everyone else why your house is better than everyone else's. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We're working on that.

Yes. You said, do we have a talking hat? Do we have a sorting hat?

So. So, so the other question that came up, you know, I was thinking. About if we're.

Trying to define what is the speech of a Buddha. Or a speech of an enlightened being, and then a commentary on it. Right.

Right. Right. One thing that.

I mean, at least for me, sometimes what happens is. Like I'm someone says something. And then someone comments on what someone says.

Right. And gives explanation about what someone says. Right.

And then there's all this discussion about. Did we understand what the first person said? And is what the first person said.

Are we understanding even what the first person said in the first place? Right. And, and I, and I think this discussion.

I think it's very relevant because I think it. It's the source of a lot of conflict. You know, just between, you know, Like if I say something right.

And let's say that what I say is true. Or I feel it's true. And then someone comments on it.

And then says it to somebody else and they have a reaction on the comment. On the commentary on what Tim says. Right.

Then all of a sudden we're like, it's like the telephone game. Now, all of a sudden we're trying to figure out who said what. And then our, then our afflictions will start to color.

And then we start to wonder. What was there? Potentially not even said in the first place.

You know, and I, and I think. And then trying to be able to have the, the. The logic, like to use.

The use that in understanding the nature of your own affliction. Like, am I reacting to someone's commentary on something that I didn't even know was true in the first place? And for me, I think it's very valuable to, for me, because what'll happen is I'll go into the, I'll start creating stories in my head about what someone thinks or what someone said or what they believe.

And then I start creating a whole story on that. And then I've gone off on a total trip to only find out a couple of weeks later that that person, when I finally have the courage to have the conversation with the person who I'm upset with, right? And I find out that they were like, what?

You know, that's not even what I said. And so I created this whole three weeks of upset over something that wasn't even caught. And in a sense, it wasn't even actual speech in the first place.

So for me, that's where I went with this text about how I would apply it in my day-to-day life. Because oftentimes we create the, I create these stories. I don't know what other people do, but I'm great at creating stories and I'm great at creating narratives.

And then I'm great at having big arguments with those people in the shower for somehow right. And then like, if you can catch yourself and like catch the story, what story are you saying? Like, you know, what is in this whole, just even looking at this debate back and forth, like this debater is not giving up.

Like, why are they not giving up on this? You know, like, why can't we just say, why can't we just say it's a classical commentary and move on, right, kind of thing. So that's kind of what I thought, but I wonder what all of you think.

Tim, and that's perfect for this particular philosophical school, right? That there has to be some agreement between the object and the observer so that you go for the truth of what was said to this person. And if those two things agree, then that's what's true, that there is something about truth in the words of the person and coming from the perception, right?

So you couldn't use that from the higher school perspective, but you could from the lower middle way school perspective. Right, you know, and in most of my day-to-day life, I'm not walking around like a Prasangika. Like, there's still truth out there coming at me.

No, I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's what I'm doing too. Yeah, no, but no, I think that was, I think that's a very astute, like, and I think that's why the four schools, it's so powerful to be able to notice where your mind is.

When you're in an affliction, like how base is my mind right now or how mid is my mind, right?

[Speaker 2]
Or where's the mistake? Just what mistake am I making?

[Speaker 1]
Where's the, yeah. Right, like, I believe what they said was true. Right, and anyway, cool, I'd like that.

What else? Anyone else have anything to add? Or your own comments or colors or shapes?

Sure, come up, yeah, come up one. Oh, Juan's gonna go first here. Thank you, Tim.

Yeah. Okay, so this is the situation. This is the situation.

I have complaints. You have complaints? Yes.

Oh. No, but it's good, it's good. So, you know, we are studying this book that's supposed to be taught by Lord Maitreya to Lord Asanga.

Yeah. And then there is this whole debate if Maitreya is an enlightened being or a Bodhisattva or what. And then I remember I was like, no, he has to be an enlightened being even in the open teachings because this, we are talking about this happened like many years ago, almost like a thousand years ago.

And then I remember being very smashily debated to say like, no, because it's not true that because in the some realms that he's living in the lifetime span goes very slowly. And then lately we learned that actually the seven lives that a Arya Bodhisattva has to go undertake have to happen in the desire realm, right? In the span where the life of a person is about a hundred years.

That's generous, yes. Yeah, well, let's say 70. No, a hundred, let's say a hundred at least, hopefully.

But then what does that mean? That proves, you know, we have to no debate anymore. And I love it because I don't like to live like a tradition that it's, how to say, kidnapped in the books all time there.

The book says that it's like a living tradition at some point, come on, these guys, these great Bodhisattvas have to get enlightened. Okay, well, I would say a few things. First of all, if we're talking, if we don't have a timeline on this, but you know, it's vague in the text, right?

But if Arya Sangha met Maitreya as a Bodhisattva, at the time he was a Bodhisattva, and it doesn't say in his next seven lifetimes, that's one possible. But I also think there's the emptiness of time thing going on here a little bit. What do you mean?

I mean, I don't know. I don't think it's so literal. What?

What part? You know, I mean, if an Arya sees emptiness directly and says they have seven lifetimes left, like, what does that mean? I don't know, seven lifetimes?

You know, I mean, it sounds like seven lifetimes, but I don't know. I mean, I think it's up for interpretation a little bit. Or less, seven lifetime or less if they practice the diamond weddings.

Right, I don't know. I think it's a really good debate. It's in actually the Five Houses course number two.

And I think it's a really cool one since we're moving into your time anyhow. Like, I'm really excited about your course that's coming up. And I think there's this sort of, there is this kind of debate like, oh, you have to be a certified teacher to be a teacher, right?

I know we've debated this, right? Can you be a master at the Five Houses and not have a certificate? Yes.

Right. Rob says definitely. Right, exactly.

I wonder why. You know, and I think it's important for us to also see ourselves. Like, certificates are a means for administrative and legal and sort of to say, okay, we can certify that you've reached a certain spot, but that doesn't mean one's not a master already.

You know, so I think it's a cool thing that we're kind of uncomfortably bending some of the rules, but at the same time, we're giving, you know, we're giving opportunities for people to teach and to spread these wonderful ideas. Like, I'm super excited to hear you and Adam in Kyoto in two weeks, week and a half. Cool.

I hope you can come and we're gonna talk about it. I still defending the position. My Treya is already enlightened.

I don't matter what school it has to. I defend the position. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Anyways, do you wanna present the news? It's not a sword I'll fall on. What's that?

It's an expression. Okay. And that's not a sword I'll fall on.

Like, don't worry about it. Okay. Okay, let's do the news.

You can stay here if you want. Okay, I'm gonna share with people. Well, as you can see, I'm back in Greenbrook, Arizona beautiful spring.

Yeah. Just the day I come, everything gets cloudy and dark and rainy and snowy. It may be a good sign.

Well, it's just like, it's just like Sakura last year. Yeah, exactly. We'll see what happens, but I'm very happy to be here.

Thank you so much. Glad to see everyone having these sessions still. Keep it up.

Wonderful times. So just a quick review of what happened because some of you are Saturday audience. You may have not been for Monday audience.

We were celebrating our dear Jigme's birthday. And then Jigme helped me with the pictures. We're gonna try to move very quickly through the pictures because you know, time is short.

What? Time is empty and short. But it could be long also because it's empty.

We just need the right seats. But, why are you laughing? Anyways.

Yes. I just want you to know that we love you, Juan. Thank you.

So when we're laughing, we're actually loving you. No, and I'm happy that people laugh because I feel it opens your heart. So it's good.

Thank you, team. And congratulations, team, because he finished his one month retreat. Yay.

Maybe sometime soon, you can talk a little bit about, just a little of what you feel it's okay to share and how to inspire us and others to go for it as well. I don't know. We had Jigme's birthday and we also had Gina's birthday because they are birthday twins.

And we want to thank Gina a lot because you help us all with so much. And we are planning to get you a new computer soon, Gina, for your birthday or something. We have to, because you know how she works.

[Speaker 2]
No, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I'm working on it. Yeah, okay. And then we have a little cake for her.

Look how happy she is. She's already tasting the cake. But yeah, that was at her house.

She helped us. So thank you very much. I hear also Chloe help us to organize something for Jigme.

So happy birthday. Not only that, but also on Monday, if you follow the mailing list that Geshe Michael send us every day, you will have seen the news on Monday. And if you don't, you should follow the email list.

But Aldo and Ria are super happy that now they have their baby with them. Her name is Nila and it's super, super cute. Super, super fun.

I went to visit them. It was great to see them. Very, very cool.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. And yeah, I don't know, but I think soon she will be integrating into the troopers of Aldo Arzapalo and help him with a lot of the tours and stuff. We hope.

We'll see how it goes. Okay, some other news. A very cool thing.

I didn't know about, but then I got to know. Sugeng and Xintian are doing these Saturday meditation clubs and the truth is I don't know much about it, but that's why I'm presenting it because I wanna know more about it. So I'll try to contact them and soon organize a talk and see how they are doing.

What is it about? And it looks very interesting and we want to congratulate you. Yeah, one time Sugeng told me like the sheriff of the town was giving him rides around because they are friends and stuff.

So then that gives me a better idea why he's the major now in Rimbrook. Even like the sheriff gives him rides and they are friends and stuff like that. Okay, what else is coming up?

Is CSPs having sessions in Kyoto very, very soon along with DSCU sessions after CSP. For the CSP, it's gonna be, they start I think on the 19th, March 19th and they run until the 20, 20. I don't remember 21st, 20, no, sorry, 23rd.

Uh-huh, and then they move up on DSCU sessions. This is the next picture, please. And you know, DSCU is opening new groups.

That's very exciting for different people in different stages of life. Depending how much hair you have, you can reach different stages. I think now I'm the most senior of the seniors.

Well, just kidding, but anyways. And then, that's what we were talking about. During Kyoto also, we have this first event of Gbox.

Gbox, yes, and yes, of course, you can, if you can come, that will be wonderful. We'll try to have fun over there in class, but also outside the class. Maybe Adam organizes a party or we go to the coffee shops or something like that, but you're welcome to come, talk and have fun.

We will be also inviting, of course, Robertine Iglesias. Geshe Michael, of course, is always welcome to come. Everyone is welcome to come.

Team will, free refreshments, no problem. We'll take care of that. And if you cannot, if you sadly cannot come live, you can come online.

So you can follow the QR code. It was so difficult to find the right timing, but we did our best. So now the time is gonna be 2 p.m. to 4 p.m. Don't worry, breaks included. It's gonna be cool. And then if you wanna watch online, it's 10 p.m. Arizona time. So Gbox means the Great Books Oral Commentary Series.

It's a new program from the Diamond Cutter Classics, which is gonna give a lot of people opportunities to take this wisdom that we're doing weekend out here and start creating accessible and relevant programs for non-Diamond Cutter Classics nerds and to give them the essence of that wisdom to be able to apply in their daily life. Yeah, yeah, the idea for us, one of the goals that we have in mind is to find out how this deep, deep content can be used in daily life and in a very relevant ways, how we can get tools that can change our lives almost like right away. And that's the goal, the mission, the challenge as well.

And Adam and I have been preparing. Geshe-la has been super kind to help us to prepare, and we are there. I'm just impressed on how deep these topics are, but also how helpful they can be.

And just to say the idea is to find out why is it that these little kids, when they start studying, go through these topics like the emptiness of colors, but how truly this is kind of already setting them up to eventually have the direct perception of emptiness. That's something that I wanna do. And Diamond Way, of course, yes.

It was interesting to point out that the very first debates already are talking about Diamond Way teachers, and you'll see that if you come. Okay, what else is coming? Then, okay, we go to Kyoto.

It's gonna be super fun, great. And then the tour moves on to China, to the Dunhuang Caves on April 9th to the 12th. That tour is still open.

As far as I know, you can follow English chat group or Chinese WeChat group. So follow up if you wanna go. I think it's gonna be amazing.

We hope we get a lot of pictures and videos. Wonderful. Maybe Stanley talks with us soon about it before the tour.

We'll try. And then, okay, they go to China. Then they come back to United States, Arizona to the sister place of Dunhuang, which is Diamond Mountain, Arizona desert.

And we have the new beginning, yes, of the Five Houses, opening the door to the Diamond Way. It's a very similar name and topic of the talk we're gonna have in Kyoto because ours is based on the book, The Door to Emptiness. And you're, well, yeah, anyways.

But why is this relevant? And it's cool that you're here with me because I don't know, after you, we're gonna have the special guest of today, which is Jasmine. But I think here's a very cool synergy.

Next picture, please. Because the reason we are advertising, one of the reasons we're advertising Diamond Mountain is because it's a part of a four event series of these years who are gonna give you access. I mean, it's not self-existent, as you were saying, but if you come to this four and you have the right seats, you're gonna gain access to the amazing events in 2026.

Could you talk a little bit about this and help us introduce Jasmine into talking about? Sure. So what we're gonna be launching in April is we're really launching the Five Houses.

You know, we're calling it a new beginning. And there's, you know, we've been at these teachings for, Geshe-la has been in with these teachings for this organization for over 30 years. And we spent a lot of time thinking about how do we expand and how do we reach more people?

How do we reach more audiences? The traditional presentation is for a certain type of mind, and it's a certain type of person, and a certain kind of personality. So we're rebranding as the Five Houses because we want more personality.

Okay. What's that? And so what we're gonna be doing at this event is we're gonna be developing the Five Houses, and we're gonna be developing the, what is it gonna look like?

And what are the personalities of those five, of the five different primary personality types that we're gonna be developing and opening the door to? And you have that opportunity to help us build that. Because once we build those various doors and we create colors and shapes and marketing and all of that, and curriculum, which is actually what we're gonna be doing in the event, then we're gonna be able to attract a lot more people.

So the entranceway into the Five Houses could be through the classics, like the diamond cutter classics. Entranceway could be through meditation. It could be through, you know, Stanley's innovation retreat programs, right?

It could be through steps on the path. Like someone who's living a, you know, a householder life, someone who doesn't have time for 18 courses and 18 courses and all these, they just want the essence and so they can apply it with their children. And then the diamond house as well.

So we're gonna be developing that and you're gonna start in that program, choosing your house and we're gonna be taking Geshe's teachings and we're gonna say, all right, how does this apply to your house? How can we make it relevant? What will it look like?

What will it feel like? And we're gonna workshop that through the entire week. So if they come to those four events and they well behave, they can come on 2026 to the opening.

The other part of this, the other hook. Can you read through this? Yes, I will.

Yeah, so the other hook is gonna, the other hook is gonna be that in 2026, we are gonna be really launching the diamond house and there are some prerequisites for that, including these four courses that we need you to attend them so you can understand the foundations you'll need to be able to have success within the diamond house. So you need to come to the courses and we need you there because we need your brain power and your creativity. And so now we're gonna talk with, yes, good.

Oh yes, online of course, yes. Yeah, so if you're not able to come in person, you can't come in person anyway, Diamond Mountain, it's full but online is completely still accessible and we have unlimited spots online. It won't be as fun, but maybe, I don't know.

No, you have to sell it the opposite way.

[Speaker 2]
Oh yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Online is much more fun. It's better, stay at home. It's better, stay at home.

The desert of Arizona is awful. Dangerous. It's dangerous, right?

There's snow, dry. Animal. Cactus.

Yeah, yeah. Anyhow, but we have a, one of our partners, Jasmine Yao, is also gonna be running simultaneous programs in Asia. So if you can't make it to Diamond Mountain or you're not, or you work more with Jasmine's groups and she's gonna be offering those programs in various locations in Asia throughout this year, simultaneously.

So we're gonna be doing hybrid programs, simultaneous broadcasting content and things like that. And so she's here. Yay.

We'd love to hear about her. Could you help us to spotlight Jasmine, please?

[Speaker 2]
We don't see her in the zone.

[Speaker 1]
Oh. She may not, something may have happened here, but I can give the intro because I know what's going on. I hope I know what's going on.

Okay, well, let me see if I have any news that relate to that, because I checked, she was supposed to be here. Jasmine, if you're here, can you raise your hand in the Zoom, please? And if she's not, you can be Jasmine today.

Well, I cannot be Jasmine. She's amazing and like super top organizer throughout all of Asia. So I will humbly attempt to explain what Jasmine does.

Is she here? Doesn't look like it. Okay, so let's show the picture, please.

The five houses picture. All right. So what we've agreed with Jasmine is she's gonna be running simultaneous events throughout this year.

So while we're at Diamond Mountain, she will also be hosting the programs. I think the first one's in Malaysia. And if you're not able to make it to Diamond Mountain, but you would like to have that in-person experience, which I think is highly valuable that community of practitioners, people learning together.

We're also sending AC, excuse me, five houses teachers directly there. So in April, Hector, Marcel and Supriya from the Three Jewels will be in Asia to help lead that event. While we're at Diamond Mountain, they'll be there leading you all and giving you that more personalized touch.

And so she's looking, if you want to come or learn more, get that QR code there. So she's gonna be offering these three programs at Diamond in April, July, and then in October when we're here in Phoenix. And then we're gonna bring everyone together for Kyoto.

[Speaker 2]
Oh.

[Speaker 1]
So it's gonna be this one large celebration summit kind of event at the end of the year. So we have a whole slew of things planned for the five houses this year. And the expansion is incredibly, it's getting there.

It's big and we need help. So anyone who wants to help, please reach out to me. So the idea is like, while you, let's say are producing some of these events in these places, Diamond Mountain, Mexico, a place in Phoenix, they are also producing a live event, but in Asia for those, maybe it's easier to go to Asia if you live already in Asia or something.

The idea is that it's expensive to come, it's a fly around the world, right? And it's also expensive to come to the United States. It's also difficult oftentimes to get visas down here, right?

So we're offering additional opportunities. And this is just the first one. We're gonna be offering other ones as well.

We're hoping to build a Europe presence by the middle of the year as well. Now, the question is, if people go to these events that are gonna be hosted in Asia, are that's gonna certify them as well to be, how to say, possible members of the 2026 experience? Yes, exactly, yes.

Yeah, they will get their diploma seen by Tim Lowenhaupt. Yeah, okay, very well. All right, cool, yeah.

So if you go to these courses, talk to Yasmin and Tim already approved, you're gonna get your certificate for your living room. Okay. Okay, cool.

I think that's all for it. Does anybody else wants to say anything? Totally, yes.

The idea is that, yeah, no, I mean the certificate, the Diamond Way secret, you don't show off the certificate. You can show off. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. Of course, the certificate, I'm not gonna talk against the certificates. I will get in trouble.

So get them both and we'll talk again soon. Have a great day. Thank you, Juan.

Thank you and congratulations. Good to see you. You saved us the day.

Thank you. Have a good day, everyone or evening. Mark's on.