Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 50

[Speaker 1]
Hi. Thank you, Huan. Nice show.

Here's Tim. Yes. So we're going to pass it over to you because I found out yesterday I had a class and I didn't have time to get my homework done.

So we're just going to pass it right back to you. Let's do a class. Yeah, we had some confusion here.

Okay, I'm going to share my screen, you guys. By the way, we're on top of the clouds at Tim's house. No, wait, I gotta...

Okay, that's a different text. That's a different text. Yeah, here we go.

Right? We did... Oops, no, that's where you check tail.

But we're starting way back here. Really? Yeah.

That's depressing. Very depressing. We only did three lines last time.

I mean, we did 30 lines, I mean. Yeah, we started... No.

Yeah. Next, it's above this. Right here.

Okay. Oh, sorry. You're right.

Better? Okay. Go, Tim.

Bless you. Bye. All right.

Should this have an L in front of it? It should, but it's kind of colloquial. Okay.

Hi, Eric. Okay, so we're in the middle of Tim's text. He's doing a huge project, 50-year project on the Perfection of Wisdom, as taught by Maitreya to a Sangha.

And it's a very, very beautiful text. It's the first 12 years of the Geshe course. It's the first half of the Geshe course.

And it's eight volumes. It will be possibly 7,000, 8,000 pages. Good luck.

Okay. So let's read it together. Okay.

Khatik? Someone comes along and claims. Yeah.

And by the way, you could say Chirupe, or you could say Chiruwe. Same. Same one?

Okay. A non-Buddhist classical commentary. Good.

A classical commentary, but not one, a shastra. A shastra means a classical commentary. It could be Buddhist, it could be non-Buddhist.

He says, Chirupe Tengyur, Tengyur Mayimba. Are you saying it's not a classical commentary? Yeah, so I guess a shastra, or a classical commentary written by a non-Buddhist, is not a classical commentary.

He starts out with a sarcastic statement. Oh, I guess a classical commentary written by a non-Buddhist is not a classical commentary, right? And then understood after Taraweeh said...

Why would you say that? Why would you say that? It's never written, it's just understood.

We say, why do you say that? And he says, because... Because if something's a classical commentary...

Tengyur Yinla? It must be the case that it possesses the two good qualities of... I don't know.

You could say correcting and protecting. Correcting and protecting, okay. Yeah.

Check spell. Okay, I think it is. Okay, because that was his...

that was our... Kachig. No, the definition of a classical commentary.

And by the way, why are we talking about classical commentaries? Because we're studying a classical commentary. Yeah, because we're studying the Jewel of Realizations by Asanga and Maitreya, which is a classical commentary.

So he says, well, I guess non-Buddhists can also write classical commentaries. And we say, why do you say that? And he said, because it fits your description of a classical commentary.

And we say, well, what do you think is our description of a classical commentary? And he says, you said a classical commentary should correct people and should protect people. Correction and protection.

That was your description of a classical commentary. By the way, it was our description, but it wasn't our... Definition.

Definition. Maybe. Okay.

All right. DER THAO? Good.

Yeah, it should be B, right? By the way, I'm correcting these kind of things, just not making a note, okay? But it is so the case, because it is so the case that correction and...

what is it? Protection. Correction and protection should be the qualities of a classical commentary.

Because namshe rikpa. This is an ancient text by, I think, Asanga... Vasubandhu, his half-brother.

And it's misspelled, by the way. The title is misspelled. It should be rikpa.

Rikpa means knowledge. Rikpa means... Logic.

Logic. And we had it in Rikpa Tutupa, the 60 verses, Yukti Shastaka, the 60 verses on reasoning that Nigga translated. By the way, I have two people in St. Petersburg who are willing to help get this book, or try. Nice. Okay. Because...

It's very important. It's very important. It's like the most...

We spent 12 years there. This is the most important thing that could come out of that effort. Anyway, namshe rikpa le.

Vasubandhu said, chö kyob kyi yun den shir na, ten chö. Something is a ten chö because... Because it has these two qualities of correcting and protecting.

Yeah. And then Tim said, the sentence above the chö is probably misspelled. It should be aow chö, not a chö.

Okay. Then Vasubandhu said, nyi po di dak shen gyi lug la me. Nyi po di dak.

These two are not in the other presentations. You won't find them in other religions. Okay.

Okay. You won't find them in the religious systems of other people. Their books don't protect and correct.

Correctly. Can't protect me? All right.

So he said... By the way, even Buddhists say that the holy books of other people are shastras. They do say that.

There's many... Nidhi shastras. These are famous books about how to run a government, for example.

Many, many. There are shastras about gemology in ancient India. These are still shastras.

They don't correct you or protect you. Okay. Okay.

Now, how are we going to reply to that? He says... Here's a book by a very famous Buddhist who said that if it corrects and protects, it's a shastra.

And other people don't have shastras. Okay. Other religions don't have shastras.

Vasubandhu said. Now, what's our reply? By the way, you can play with him.

There are linguistic ways to find the words protection and... What was the other one? Correction.

Correction in the word shastra. Okay. There are linguistic ways you could play with that.

Okay. It's fun to try. If we could get the original to this...

You talk to this lady named Aisha. Okay. If you could get the original of Namshe Rikspa by Vasubandhu, he's probably making puns here.

The protection and the correction are somehow based on the root shas. So, shus and shish, therefore shas. It's something like that.

I can smell it, but we got to find it. So, this is still the other guy speaking, correct? Yeah.

Yeah. But then, isn't it... By the way, understood.

We said Dagmar Dung. Okay. We never write our responses.

In the Mixed Nut Standard publishing, we add the responses that are given, that are assumed by a Tibetan. Okay? Because they're helpful for an English reader.

So, somewhere here he said, I disagree. We said, I disagree. He said, it is too, because Vasubandhu says so.

Okay. Then we went to Vasubandhu and we found it. Tim's going to read it from Vasubandhu.

Here we go. chuk kyup yun ten chir na ten chu te nipo di dak shen gyi luk la me chuk kyup yun ten chir na ten chu te Nine beats. nipo di dak shen gyi luk la me That's how they count it in Tibetan, with their joints.

Four, four. So, it's nine beats, nine beats. It was written in poetry.

The original was written in poetry. Our author... I did offset it in poetry, yeah.

chuk kyup yun ten chir na ten chu te Okay, he kept the poetry. Yeah, he did keep the poetry. Usually they don't.

Then you can check the spelling and see if there's any important differences. I don't think there are. Okay.

Then I had some other opinions on this because... I think this one is useful. This is from Jamyang Shepi Dorje, who's a great, great master from East Tibet in the 1700s.

Very great. Here's what he said. He's also quoting Vasubandhu.

Can you read that? Yeah, he spells it correctly. nam she rikpa le nyonmong ja nam ma lu chuwa dang They should be chupa.

chupa dang nen nyen joi si le kyop che ang yin pa chuk kyup yun ten chir na ten It's the same thing here. Yeah. He's pointing out more of the commentary, which makes it more clear.

Vasubandhu said, we call these books shastras because they correct you and they protect you. Then Vasubandhu says, maybe you're wondering what they protect you from and how they correct you. I'll tell you.

Then he's quoting Vasubandhu, this Tibetan monk. He says, they chupa you from nyonmong gi ja. Or they chupa the nyonmong gi ja.

They correct your negative emotions? Which are ja, for you. Which are your enemies.

Yeah, they correct your enemy. They fix your enemy. What?

Your own negativities. They fix the demon in your mind. Therefore, shastra.

Corrector. They chupa you from the sea of the Ngendras. They protect you from going to the lower realms.

Yeah, the world of the lower realms. Baba, sea, as a realm. They protect you from the lower realms.

Like Sipa Khorlo, the Wheel of Life. Something like that. Life in the lower realms.

Then if we had the Sanskrit, I believe we would see that these two underlying words are the same root of shastra. Something to do with shastra. It's some kind of pun.

I believe. I smell it. And then he says, therefore we call shastra, shastra.

All right, we got to check it. Now, here's an interesting commentary by Khalkha Ngawangpaondan, who's from Mongolia. Very, very wonderful writer.

He wrote a great Vajrayogini commentary. We studied it. He's an incredible writer.

He's an incredible... He's probably the greatest Mongolian ever. And there were many great scholars in Mongolia.

And by the way, Mongolia was a non-Buddhist country that became Buddhist and wrote hundreds of great commentaries. So it's something to look up to. There's 300,000 books there.

John Brady's set for life. Okay. Then here's a great Mongol author and his opinion on the word shastra.

Shastra. Ready? Okay.

Yeah, good. ke du means the original Sanskrit. du means substitute, like a substitute teacher is called a du.

And ke du means the original Sanskrit for a Tibetan word. He says... Sorry.

Oh, I see. I see. He says the original Sanskrit for tension, for classical commentary, is shastra, with a long A.

Shastra. Okay. What's shastra mean if you don't make it long?

Weapon. Sword. Knife.

Sorry. Yes. A blade of tung karn.

Okay. So there's a word he says... Sorry.

Okay. It's allergy season in January. If you're kind, you'll send me to Kyoto.

I didn't have them in Kyoto. Okay. Or San Diego.

I think it's shastra mean probably, okay? But it's not... It's not sure.

Okay. We got to check. So the word shastra in shastra means...

It's probably shast, by the way. Okay. Okay.

The word shastra in shastra... The word... The diphthong?

No. The sound shast in shastra, which means classical commentary, means chupa. Oh, okay.

It means to fix some things. Okay. Okay.

The root shast in shastra means to fix them. According to this Mongol... By the way, the Mongols were better at Sanskrit than Tibetans because they were writing in Tibetan.

They were writing in a foreign language. So they were more interested and they were better at Sanskrit. chepa chupa.

And tarana. Tarana. Tarana.

The Sanskrit word tarana means... It means to protect. Like Tara.

Tara. Okay. No, and then if you look it up in the Sanskrit-Tibetan dictionary, which we have an incredible one, gyul je means liberator.

So tarana means liberator. Therefore, shastra means protection and... What's the other one?

Correcting. Correction. Protection and correction are found in the word shastra because shast and tarana.

The shast means one thing, the tarana means another thing. And they're both contained in the word, and that's why Vasubandhu said protection and correction. That's the Mongol.

Very amazing. Okay. Cool.

Cool. Feichangpang. Okay.

And if we get the Sanskrit, then we'll be able to see it. Yeah. Yeah.

And this is all misspelled. It's probably shast. And it's probably...

Tarana were the backwards end, right? After the R, required. Okay.

So that's another story. Sanskrit in Tengu? No, no.

Aisha probably has the Sanskrit. She may have and she may not. 90% of Sanskrit was lost.

That's why we don't study these things in Sanskrit, to be honest. Okay. It was mostly lost.

90% of the Kanyantengu is lost in Sanskrit. Nagarjuna actually found... He recovered part of it 2,000 years ago.

You're making me nervous. Okay. All right.

Let's go down here. Who's going to read, Tim? How about Christina, since you're close?

Let me move over to my honeymoon. You run the show here.

[Speaker 2]
Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Good job. Yay. That's not a problem.

No problem. No problem. That was Tsam.

That was only? That was just the dasha, the literal explanation of a Sanskrit word. Okay.

That's just the dasha of a Sangepe Densha. That's just the literal meaning of a... A classical commentary by a Buddha?

A Buddhist. A Buddhist.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Then he even goes more. He says, Sangepe Densha Namda. All of them?

A corrector. A corrector.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
He's implying there's... He says when you call the definition of a classical commentary fixer and corrector, you're only referring to Buddhist classical commentaries, and even then you're only referring to Buddhist classical commentaries which are accurate. Okay?

Implying that there's ones that aren't accurate. And that's a debate. Okay.

All right. Again. Yeah.

Is that Nangpa also Buddhist? Yeah. Yeah.

Nangpa Sangyepa. Sometimes you say Nangpa. Sometimes you say Sangyepa.

And sometimes you say Nangpa Sangyepa. Is it more like for emphasis? Yeah.

And all three are acceptable variations. You can say Nangpa, meaning inner one, which means a Buddhist. Buddhists in Tibet call themselves Nangpas.

Inside ones. And then sometimes in literature they're called Sangyepas. Buddhists.

And then sometimes they're called Nangpa Sangyepas. Inner Buddhists. But there's no outer Buddhists.

Okay? All right. Who's going to read, Timothy?

How about Tin? Tin Nguyen. Yeah, Tin.

Yeah. Should I read? Yes, please.

Yeah. Excellent. Nice.

Wow. Awesome.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
I wish I could speak Vietnamese like that. Kha Chi? Yeah, so you think someone comes along and makes another claim.

Okay. The non-Buddhist commentary. Yeah.

Are you saying that non-Buddhist commentaries are not commentaries? Are you saying that non-Buddhist commentaries aren't commentaries? Why?

Because they are chelwa of the senyi of a tenchu. And here, Ben Kramer is uncomfortable because they mentioned senyi of a tenchu.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Chelwa means they are devoid of. They're devoid of. They don't have.

They don't have what? They don't include the definition of a classical commentary. Yeah, they don't reflect the definition of a classical commentary, which is correcting and protecting.

Protecting. Okay. So he says, are you saying Hindu shastras aren't shastras?

Like Nidhi shastras and, you know, what do you call it? Ratna shastras, gemology books. Are you saying they're not shastras?

And then we say, why do you say that? He says, but it doesn't fit your definition of a shastra. It doesn't protect you.

It doesn't correct you. Now comes an extremely interesting and difficult section. And it's just yummy.

Okay. Who's going to read it? How about Tao?

Oh. Oh.

[Speaker 2]
That Tao.

[Speaker 1]
How's my grandson?

[Speaker 2]
He's big, full of energy.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. If he's naughty, then you know he's our friend.

[Speaker 2]
Exactly.

[Speaker 1]
Very good.

[Speaker 2]
Very good, yes. And now Tao. Tao.

Tao. Tao. Tao.

Tao. Tao. Tao.

Hey, you're... ... ...

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Nice, nice.

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[Speaker 1]
Nice, nice. Very good. Very good.

Good job, Pao. Thank you. He says...

Remember what his last statement was? Non-Buddhist shastras don't fit the definition of a shastra. Okay?

Why? Because it... Because the same book, dengyi means the same book, says and I went crazy looking for it, and it's not there.

Okay? And it's in a dome. This is actually a quotation from a dome.

A dome is a summary of a shastra, or another classical book, and it's in poetry. It's in verse, and it's very super simplified. Okay?

The ancient shastras by Vasubandhu are incredibly difficult. So somebody wrote... ...

... ... That's a dome.

A simple verse summary, and people memorized them in the monastery. Kids memorized. So now we got it.

... ... ...

Okay? It's a simple... And only one person in three million pages identifies where it comes from.

It's a dome. It's a poetic abbreviation of Vasubandhu's text, which is missing. The abbreviation is missing.

So there you go. That's how I lose hair. Okay?

It took me like a week to figure this out. You just get the result. So anyway, the dome says, and it's very beautiful, and it's very confusing.

He says one bad thing, then he says another bad thing, and then he says the good thing that's the opposite of those two. Like, garlic, onion, spice tea. Okay?

The opposite of garlic and onion. You see what I mean? It's very confusing.

Two negative things followed by one positive thing. Garlic, taste of garlic, taste of onion, taste of spice tea. Okay?

So he's got three lines that he does that, and then he summarizes. So how many bad qualities are going to be there? Six.

Yeah, two per line. Garlic and onion, spice tea. So it's negative, negative.

Opposite. Okay? And then he does that three times.

So at the end of this sentence it says, duk chau. Three of the six problems. Six problems, and then it has three correct things.

And possessed of the three correct things. And it's extremely difficult to figure out. Okay?

So I put ABC for the three good guys, and I put one through six for the six bad guys. Okay? To help you guys.

Okay? Because the last line says a good commentary, classical commentary, should not have the six and should have the three. Okay?

So I made it easy for you. Now we got to go through the six and the three. And there's a huge commentary below, and I'm not going to...

It would take a week to read it to you. Okay? But here's the essence.

Dun me. It's pointless? Yeah.

And there is a famous shastra by a non-Buddhist called Study of the Teeth of a Crow. Crows don't have teeth. Which is meaningless because crows don't have teeth.

But Buddhists are always quoting it because it was the silliest shastra of all time. Okay? So that's a dun me.

It's meaningless. You master it, it's meaningless. It's like an economics textbook in the United States.

Okay? Same thing. Okay?

Same benefit. Okay? All right.

Dun me. Useless. Meaningless.

Dun lung. That wrong meaning? Directly wrong.

Oh, all pens come from their own side. Like somebody wrote a shastra called the Pen Shastra. How to make a good pen with the right polyurethane.

Also, a shastra, and also completely mistaken. Okay? Cool?

It might kill you. The microplastic from the pen probably does kill you. They're just learning that.

Plastic touching your skin kills you. It gets into your body. Atoms of it, molecules of it, get into your body.

You get cancer. So anyway, nobody wrote a book like that. Yet.

So dun me. It's useless. Meaningless.

And then dun lung. That's the wrong meaning. Harmful.

Meaningless and harmful. What's the opposite? Meaningful.

Meaningless. Ridiculous. No.

Ridiculous. Ridiculous. Harmful.

Meaningful. Okay? That's how it goes.

Ridiculous. Harmful. Meaningful.

Okay? That's the first line. Here's the second line.

Tu here means... Tu means... Something they heard from a fool.

Heard. It just says heard. And then the commentary says heard from a fool.

We talked about... We talked about accurate authority. Tu here means heard from the opposite or inaccurate authority.

Heard. Passed on from some idiot online. Okay.

All right. Tu means like that. And then tu.

And tu means to debate.

[Speaker 2]
To debate.

[Speaker 1]
So here means questionable. It's open to question. It's open to debate.

Meaning it's incorrect. And then the opposite is that drupa sur lempa. Sur lempa means to put something into practice successfully.

Drupa means if you put it into practice you will get good results. You ready? Just something somebody had heard.

Just something somebody thought if you practice it, it works. Got it? Very difficult.

You don't know how long... You don't know how many hairs I pulled out. Okay.

Last one, Tim. Yo means... Yo in New Jersey means hey, man.

But yo in Tibetan means... It means deceptive. It means to lie, a liar.

Ngen means lousy. Lousy lies. I said, for example, science.

That's just my commentary. Say it, Joe. Free of...

Kindness? Yeah, it was not written out of love. Okay.

Whatever book it was, it was not written out of love for people. It was written for fame, or it was written for money, or it was written to sell something, or something like that. Say it, Joe.

Opposite of that. It eliminates all your suffering. Yeah.

Misleads you. Doesn't reflect any care about you. Removes your suffering.

Okay? Bad, bad, good. Cool?

All right. A danger. A classical commentary.

A real classical commentary. True deal. It's free of the six?

Yeah, free of the six and possessed of the six. That's what we say. Duh.

That's what we say. Cool? That was written in verse to make it easier to remember the content of Vasubandhu's ancient, very difficult shastra, which explains the meaning of shastra, and the dome, or the summary, is missing.

We don't have it. Maybe we'll find it in Mongolia. We know the wording, so it's going to be easy to find after its input.

So, what was the argument? The argument was non-Buddhist shastras must not be shastras, because in fact they are criticized in Vasubandhu with the following words. And then we say, okay, we answer.

That's not a problem. Yeah. Because correct commentaries are, the definition of a correct commentary are already devoid of those.

Yeah, no. Those lines were meant to give the dun of penches, which were zenitunda, which didn't fit the requirements. Okay, right, okay.

Those lines were just meant to describe, they weren't meant to describe a real shastra. They were meant to, well, they were meant to describe the possible problems of those shastras. Okay.

Here's the notes to my research of that baby child lines. Okay. Okay.

All right. Is this why it's going to take so long? I'm doing the work for you.

I'm doing the heavy lifting. But just so you know, I like to find out stuff. Now, I couldn't help but, so the teacher of, Tim's teacher, Tim's teacher is the greatest textbook writer of Saramay, which is the superior half of Saram monastery.

And then there's a much inferior half of Saram monastery called Sarajay. And his teacher's, his writer's teacher was from Sarajay. And this is an extremely rare circumstance where we claim the student surpassed the teacher.

It happened with Vignanga and his teacher, for example. So it is possible. Just so you know, it's like one chance in a billion.

So don't get a big head. Okay. Anyway, his teacher was a great, great scholar.

And a wonderful scholar. And a very worth studying. And we debate with the other side of Sara, like once a month or something.

We learn a lot from them. And they learn a lot from us. They don't say it.

Anyway, he gives examples of the six and the three. That writer who taught his writer 500 years ago, he gave real examples of the six lousy commentaries and the three good ones. And I think they're beautiful.

So they're going to be included in Tim's extensive footnote. Here they go. Who's going to read this, Tim?

We can go one by one. All right. Let's see.

Marina, can you read the first one, please? Marina...

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Just... This?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Now, we got to go slide back to the beginning. The first one was dun me.

Pointless. Useless to study. A shastra, which is no good because it's useless.

Here's the example from the teacher of Tim's author. Charok. Word.

Is that a crow? Yeah. Charok means a crow.

So means tooth. Sotbok means the shastra for the study of crow's teeth. Okay.

Now, whether there really existed such a thing, I don't know. Probably. It's like reading Pliny or something.

The early Roman naturalist. You know, he's got all these words. Okay.

So that's an example of dun me. Useless. Meaningless.

Second one. Who's going to read that, Tim? How about cutting?

Yeah, cutting.

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Ni pa ni.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Good.

[Speaker 2]
Ni pa ni, kye pa nga, chi me par tonpay, ten chu tabu.

[Speaker 1]
Second one is... Dun la. Mistaken.

Grossly mistaken. And this is a... go backwards.

Shastra in which dunpa teaches why there's no kyewa nga ma and kyewa chi ma. Kyewa nga. There's no beginning and no end?

Or no before or after? Kyewa. Previous or latter?

Yeah, there's no past lives and there's no future. This is a shastra which proves that there's no past lives and no future lives. Now the crow's tooth shastra was meaningless.

This shastra... Wrong. Big difference.

And it gives you such a good feeling about the two. Okay, what's a non-shastra? Something that teaches you some useless thing, like most of the stuff online.

Crow's tooth explanation. And then secondly, harmful information. Like someone who's very persuasive and says there's no past lives and there's no future lives.

What's coming up next according to our pattern? Something that's meaningful. Yeah, there's going to be something good.

Here we go. That's great. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
So, A, right? Yes, correct.

[Speaker 1]
Alright, so something that's meaningful might be something like the Abhisamaya Alankara. Yeah, which is the classical shastra. If you ask 1,000 monks to name a shastra, 990 will say Abhisamaya Alankara.

The classical, classical comment. How is it described? Dun dun dun.

Meaningful, helpful. Something that will help your life. Alright, now we're expecting what next, Tim?

Something that's uselessly reported. Yeah, okay, uselessly reported. Which will be number three, which he calls number four.

Because I have taken out the good guys and called them ABC. How about Roxanna? Is it the middle of the night for you?

You're quite a trooper.

[Speaker 2]
It is.

[Speaker 1]
Well, she's out at night.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, good.

[Speaker 1]
Interesting. He's describing science books. During his time, I don't know, 300, 400 years ago, they were just starting to make machines.

People had just invented firearms. He says, if you want something, what's the category? Useless.

Well, no, no. Just randomly reported or something. Oh yeah, rumors.

I like that. Then you could take non-Buddhist descriptions of firearms, and chukor means machinery, like books describing machinery. So for a Tibetan, living in Tibet, even in my teacher's time when he was young, machines were just rumors.

Firearms were like rumors. They said, oh, there's a big tube that can kill 100 guys at once. Everybody's like, oh yeah, sure.

So for our author, it was canon books and machinery manuals. He's like, yeah, yeah. Got it?

He was wrong. Okay. That cost them their country, but okay.

Next. What's this one going to be? What is this one going to be?

Debatable. Yeah. How about, which one is this one?

It's four. Let's see. It's really number five.

Lindsay. Lindsay. Wait, which one?

Jinjie. Jinjie. Jinjie.

Taboo. Taboo. Hey Lindsay, on your Ts, don't imitate a certain director of the Mixed Nuts.

Say den.

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Den. Taboo.

[Speaker 1]
Good. Even if you fix it, Nick, I'll never stop bugging you. I didn't realize that.

[Speaker 2]
He's not.

[Speaker 1]
The reason I like to make fun of you is you're the only person who doesn't get angry at me when I do it. Or, not obviously. Tori.

Tori. I have no idea. It's the higher birth.

Human, deva, or semi-demigod. Those are called tori. The three higher births.

Okay. Torikidundu, in order to get there, you should make a jimba. Make an offering.

Chodzin is an ancient word for a sacrifice. Chodzin is an ancient word for a sacrifice of an animal as a religious duty. The Lamb of God.

You know. You put all your bad deeds in the Lamb and then you slaughter it out in the desert. Anyway, chodzin.

Chuk means a bull. Cow or a bull. There was a custom for your parents long life, to slaughter a cow and burn the flesh on the altar in Hinduism, in the times of Buddha.

What kind of shastra is that? What was the category? Debateable.

Okay. Alright. This won't be correct.

It would be a shastra about making sacrifices of animals. That's great. Alright.

What's the end of the second line? What is B? B is if you practice it well, you'll achieve it.

Or if you practice it. Practical. What book is that?

Here we go. Dodo. Yes.

Dodo Shastra. Letter B.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Too funny. So easy.

[Speaker 1]
What's A? Dodo, what's the joke? Explain the joke.

It's just like the same commentary, the same shastra. Yeah, it's the same commentary he mentioned at the end of the first line. What's a good commentary?

Abhisamankara. And what's a good commentary in the second case? Abhisamankara.

Okay, he's being cute. Alright. Now I got two more bad guys and one more good guy, right?

We have time. I think so. Which one is this going to be?

We're going to have deceptive and... Yeah, ngenyo means could mislead you. Okay.

Possible to mislead you. These categories are not exclusive, right? I don't know who all these people are.

Janet, are you translating? No, good. Then you can read it.

Nice. What's that? I mean, I gave you the punchline.

It's a classical commentary of a Veda text. Yeah, one of the four Vedas. One of the famous ancient books of Hinduism.

My Sanskrit teacher was probably the greatest Veda scholar who ever lived in the United States. they're very interesting. And the language is extremely difficult.

And he devoted his whole life to it. It's very interesting. I mean, there's some interesting stuff.

But what was the category? That one was slightly deceptive. Yeah, like misleading.

You could spend your whole life reading it and then just die, which is what happens. All right. Nick, do you want to work on your unaspirated teas?

I don't know how much it matters, but I'll do it. Are we on six? Yes.

Nick, you want to translate? Sure. As for the eighth, we understand the thoughts of others It's like a it's like a scripture that burns away the ideas of others.

What's toge? Toge is an ancient Toge is an ancient for logic. Oh, right, right, right.

I got it. Yeah, like Toge Barwa. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kamala Sheena wrote a famous book about it. What was the category, Nick? The category is Sejo.

Yeah, they don't really care about you. By the way, it's faulty logic. This is the one without love.

We're studying faulty logic in Ben's text. We're studying faulty what is it? Dokyams.

Dokyams, yeah. We're studying faulty parts of a logical statement. Okay, okay.

So the eighth category, or the ninth category is it removes your negative, your suffering, excuse me. Removes your suffering. Who's going to read that one, Tim?

I don't know. Does someone want to guess what that line is? Oh, nice.

Nice question. Maybe it's the Abhisamayankara. Oh, wow.

Wow. Okay. By the way, this whole class today took me about I don't know, a week, a week and a half to figure it out.

Anyway, I think it's beautiful. It'd make a nice class, I think, for you guys to teach sometime. And you could get modern examples of each category.

It'd be a really cool G-Box class. Yeah, it'd be a nice G-Box class for all of them. G-Box is a series of grants that are given by the Veronica and Michael Roach Foundation, which really means extra money from Seiji, which is a $5,000 grant each time.

If you are an ACI teacher qualified and you have finished your courses and you want to design a course with one of the translators and they will pay you $5,000 to design it and you have to teach it once, then you can just throw it away. I don't know. Since this is my text, can I be the teacher and the translator and work with myself?

I think it's a conflict of interest. I can collaborate well with myself. We partly want people to work together.

It's not just the information. Just checking. There's more notes, I told you.

You don't have time. Sorry. I didn't make them big.

There's the dome missing. Now we're on to a huge kachig, which is five paragraphs long. Okay.

He's like, blah, blah, blah, blah. You agree? Yes.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. You agree? Yes.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you agree? Yes.

It's very long, so it's kind of difficult, because you don't know who's talking. Okay. We've got a few minutes.

We've got one minute. Hey, Gibson, can you read the first one? Let's see if we can get through this.

Okay. Okay. Let's go through kind of...

We won't waste time. Okay. Kachig.

Someone comes along and makes a claim. Yeah. This is not the Abhisamaya Alankara.

It's another alankara that was written by the same team of Asanga and Maitreya, which is called the Sutra Alankara, but very similar content. One of the five great books of Maitreya. Now you've got two.

Okay. In there, it's... There are...

Let's consider the wording inside the classic of Sutra Alankara, which is part of that classic commentary, which says shenwangs are dendru. Dependent things are... Cause and effect things are real.

If something could cause something else, that's real. That's a mind-only school of belief. If a seed can cause a tree, the seed must be real.

That's their position. Now let's take those words. Okay.

Since it's a shastra, and everybody agrees it's a shastra, then the tsongpapo, it must be the ngak, of a drup tak tenpa, of a teacher of schools, who is an author, tsongpapo, of it, who is a sem chen? Who is a still-suffering living being. Here, sem chen, which normally means beings, is used as opposed to a Buddha.

Sometimes sem chen just means beings, but sometimes it means non-Buddha. We're like, hey, is Sutra Alankara a shastra? Yeah, it's one of the five great shastras of Maitreya.

Does it teach that cause and effect things do not have emptiness and they are real? Yeah, it teaches that. Its author must be, it must be a book written by a non-Buddha, which is part of the definition of a shastra.

If it was written by a Buddha, it would have been a sutra. Okay? Is it a shastra?

Yes. Does it teach something which we believe to be mistaken? Yes.

I guess its author must be a non-Buddha, right? Who is the author? This was my pre-geshe debate topic.

I had to debate when I was there. To qualify for the geshe exam, I had to pass this one. It's dear to my heart.

In this case, the next one is, we agree what he says here, right? I don't know, I'm not saying. I'm just saying.

He says, if you agree that the author of that book was a human being and not a Buddha, then other problems, more problems. Tim's going to translate these three lists of problems. Do not, do not, do not.

Do not, do not, which means agree if you agree, and then do me know. You can't agree with that. That was by Jetson.

That's written by Jetson Jampa, Maitreya, the holy one. But was he a Buddha or not? Was he a Buddha or not?

That's a good question. I don't know. You'll have to find out next time.

Stopped here. January 6th? I'm having trouble typing 25.

Okay, Nick, any closing remarks or want to give us a survey? Just that it's really great to have you here leading these classes. So I'm really happy that we're getting 2025 off to a really great start.

Thank you, Geshe Michael. Thank you so much. It's really fun that I didn't have an operation this week.

I'm so glad for that. I could get used to this. Let's keep doing it that way, yeah.

At least for now. I'll drink spiced tea to that. Salud.

All right. See you guys later. Juan, thank you for a nice new show.

And thank you for a nice class. The first class was nice too. Gibson's class was quite good.

Gibson, I have... it's difficult for me to remember the word Gibson, and I want to know your real name. Someday write it to me.

No, I don't... There's something about Gibson that doesn't work. I will also make a recording audio to you.

Okay. No, I don't want... I don't need to pronounce it correctly.

I just need to... I can't give you a name that's easier for me. Gibson, what is it?

Let us know. What's your given name? Jimmy.

Oh, yeah. Jimmy. It's like established and compassionate.

Oh, we're going back to Gibson. It should be Jimmy. Jimmy.

Jimmy. Jimmy. Jimmy.

Jimmy. No, that's worse. Jimmy.

It's Jimmy. I like it. All right.

See you guys on... Thank you. Thank you, guys.

Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Tim, for letting us use your palace. Yeah, we could get used to this.

The food is better than Stanley's house. Don't tell him. Enjoy the cake on behalf of Seiji.

Enjoy Bali. Seiji, I already celebrated your birthday with my stomach. Okay.

Bye, you guys. Bye, Geshe Michael. Bye, Nick.

Bye, Jimmy.