Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 39

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Some of those countries are very strict about religious stuff, so we have to be very careful and wear suits and do other strange things. But when you ask questions and stuff, or in the conversation part, please try to keep it a little bit non-religious. And I know it's a religious book and I'm sorry.

But it's the only way we can be safe in those countries. By the way, I like wearing a suit. Sometimes.

One minute. Are you ready? Cool.

We're ready to go. We're going to do that after you do. Yes.

Okay. Okay, cool. All right.

So, hi, everybody. The first part of our class is homework from the previous class, which most of you were not there for. But what I thought, we're reaching a section in this book.

Basically, we're just defining what makes the, how do we define this, the word of a Buddha, what is considered the word of a Buddha. So I thought we would review all the different wrong debates, excuse me, all the wrong ideas. So we're going to be getting to a section now where we're going to talk about the right ideas.

Tell them what your book is. Oh, that's a good idea. This book is a very long book.

Probably the rest of my life, unless something weird happens. And it's called The Jewel of Realizations. And it's by, it was written down by Arya Sangha, who, if many of you know this story, he was doing deep retreat, like at Diamond Mountain for 12 years, which is a long time.

And at the end of the 12 years, nothing happened in the retreat, supposedly. And he was like, I hate Diamond Mountain. It's hot.

Probably asked him to fundraise. It's hot. It's uncomfortable.

So yeah, so he left to retreat and he went to Bowie. And kind of imagine, you know, and he came across, there's lots of dogs in Bowie as well. And he came across a dog in Bowie and that dog had been injured.

And he started taking care of this dog. And in that process, he finally had a true moment of compassion. And then the dog wasn't the dog.

The dog was Maitreya and he met Maitreya. And then Maitreya was like, hey, come with me. I'm going to teach you some cool stuff.

And so he grabbed onto Maitreya. And Maitreya took him to the Peachtree Cafe for a morning, right? And served him cinnamon rolls.

And in that morning, Maitreya taught him the five great books of Maitreya. And Arya Sangha wrote them down. And so at the end of his breakfast with Maitreya at the Peachtree Cafe, when he got home, something weird happened and 50 years had passed.

And anyhow, so he wrote these books down. And one of the books is called The Jewel of Realization. And we're in the beginning of that book.

And it's in debate format. So basically what happens is someone comes up and gives us a slightly wrong idea. And then we have to figure out what the correct idea is.

And so we're in the middle of a section defining what the speech of the Buddha is. In English, it will be about 12 volumes. Like that, yeah.

So he has to live a long life. Okay, so go. All right, here we go.

So I'm going to go through three of the main... Oh, wait, something else happened. Something else happened?

Yeah. What happened to Rob? Are you ready?

Oh, we're going to do that now. Yeah, so the reason we can have the translation team is due to our sponsors. And the reason we didn't have a translation team earlier was we didn't have the sponsors.

And there's a thing, after you become a translator, you start having kids. And I don't know what they're doing. They're supposed to be working.

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It's work.

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Right word? Where's work? Right here.

Yeah, yeah. Where's your other two girls? Okay.

So we have a program called Good Night Book Club, which you know about, and I'm not going to tell you about it, but you can sign up. You get a book sent to you as they come out, and you promise not to use your phone and your computer from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. And it's really, really good for you. I can attest to it.

And the big boss, Dalao Ban, of that program is having a birthday, and we're going to sing together. Lindsay, please jump. The birthday is technically tomorrow, but I won't be here to eat cakes, so we're going to have it today.

Okay, Tim's going to lead the singing. One, two, three. Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Lindsay. Happy birthday to you.

Woo, woo, woo. What happened to the fire? Speech?

Pretend fire on the cake? Oh, pretend blow out the candles. Yeah.

You got to bring me those two, that one and that one. So we have a tradition that we... She picks up a page from this.

This is The Life of Tsongkapa, very long and beautiful book. It took 15 years to make it, and she's going to pick a page. Now, there's your book.

And this morning, the German team and Austrian, led by certain people who can come up now, Peter and Eva. Eva did the work. Peter took the credit.

It's called Der Kunde des Dharmas, and we'd like to congratulate them and thank them. It took a long time. Thank you.

You want a German prediction? Okay, you choose and you translate, okay? You choose the page number between 1 and 400.

Don't look. So this is about... Can I say the name of the guy, the king of the Dharma?

This is from a scene of Tsongkapa where he gets secret teachings from Kalachakra, the Wheel of Time, which will be interpreted by Geshe Michael. You can interpret. Oh, yeah.

What do you mean by that? There's this wheel called sansara, right? You tend to hurt people, and then you get bad karma, and then the karma comes back to you.

You can call that the Wheel of Life, the sansara wheel. You can call it the Wheel of Nice, Crown of Nice, which is Seiji's book. But there's a deep teaching that Kalachakra, that if you learn about emptiness, and if you learn that things are coming from your seeds, you can turn the Wheel of Suffering into the Wheel of the Dharma, which is an eight-spoke wheel which represents passing knowledge onto the next generation.

So that wheel, the reverse wheel, means that you pass wisdom onto each generation in the same way that Lindsay is doing in her life. Yay! And congratulations again to Ava, and especially Ava who did the work, and Peter.

One more time. Go to sleep. Do we have it set up so the people online can speak?

Thank you. So everyone online, you can just yell out the answers if they're not yelled out here in the room. Okay, so we're going to go through the three main wrong ideas, and then when we start the class, we will get the correct idea.

We'll get through it, or start going through it. Okay, first one. Oh, there it is, okay.

Our opponent comes along and starts a new debate, and they say, if something is the word of the Buddha, it must also be a classical commentary. What do we say? What's wrong with this?

What is our counterexample? How do we disprove this? Just classical commentaries in general.

Oh, that's nice. The opponent said, if something is the word of the Buddha, it must be a classical commentary from ancient India. It's hard to hear what you said.

Can you yell that into the microphone? He said there's a contradiction between the word of the Buddha and the classical commentary. A contradiction in the sense that the word of the Buddha is the word of the Buddha, the commentary is someone else said something about that.

Right, and that's pretty much the answer, more or less. Mike said it as well. So basically, if you look at the ALL database, from ancient India, we have 4,600 texts finished, and 990 are spoken by the Buddha, and the rest, 3,700, are written by human beings to explain the Buddha.

So the actual answer, that was an answer, and a correct one, but basically they say that the argument is Lord Maitreya composed classical commentaries that are separate from his speech. That's the first example we gave. This was the second example, meaning he didn't have to speak in order to write.

Okay, next question. Next debate. They make the claim that if something is considered the word of the Buddha, it must also be in the mind stream of a Buddha.

So if something is the word of a Buddha, it must be in the mind of a Buddha. Why is that wrong? Can you throw the microphone to Peter?

Sure. I mean, or you could pass it, or gently give. I would say everything is in the mind stream of a Buddha.

Kind of, but that's not the counterexample. What would be considered? I know.

Who does everything, everything that's word of the Buddha only exist in the mind stream of a Buddha? Yeah, so what word said is, if it's in Tim's mind, Tim's not a Buddha, it's still the word of a Buddha, and I'm not a Buddha. Well, even, well, not even that.

It's that if something's the word of a Buddha, doesn't necessarily only exist in the mind of a Buddha. No, because the words of the mind, I can have the words of the Buddha in my mind, and I'm not a Buddha. Make sense?

Cool. All right. Thirdly, if something is considered the word of the Buddha, and they define it in this debate as speech, which has been permitted by the Buddha, then it must be something that's spoken by a student.

And the example we use is, once I heard that the Buddha said, if you're going, he wants, Buddha said, please write down or relay everything I said, and you're not allowed to change it, except you're allowed to say three words. Well, what are the Sanskrit words? Evam, evam, evam, evam.

Right? Once I heard, right? So that was permitted by the Buddha to add to the speech of the Buddha.

So if it's that, is it something that is, that is necessarily only spoken by a student of the Buddha, and that's what makes speech of the Buddha. No.

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Excellent word.

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No. Give him the microphone. Let's see if he explains it.

So shameless teaching. That's all I know. No.

Yeah. I mean, I know it's no, because it's wrong. It's kachik.

But why is it wrong? Mm-mm. It's very specific.

The counter example starts with, Ananda, one of the students of the Buddha. Because he repeated the sutras, but he didn't say them himself? Not exactly.

So imagine you're going to say, once I heard. Like you heard the words of a Buddha, and you're relaying and say, once I heard these words. Do you think about it beforehand?

Right. So yes. So if you thought about it beforehand, and said, once I heard these words, and thought of the words in your mind, because typically you think first before you speak.

Sometimes. Sometimes. According to this debate, that's what you do.

Then it's not necessarily have to be spoken by a student, because it would be in their mind first, before they spoke it. Isn't this fun? I think it's really fun.

It trains you never to lose it. You better think it's fun. You got a long way to go.

22,000 pages, you said? It'll be about 10,000 pages. Eight, six volumes.

That's a lot. Okay. Tibetan special vocabulary.

All right. First words, ka and nak. Speech.

What's the difference between these two words? Honorific and honorific. Which one is the honorific one, Maria?

Correct. Ka is the honorific for speech. Nak is just general Joe Schmoe speech.

What'd you say? Where does he send the chick? Next one.

Once I heard. Nice. And then last one.

Oops, that's not what I meant to do. Wrong Luke. What's that?

Our system. View is our position, our system. Good.

Yay. Cool. Okay.

Now we're going to go to my beautifully incorrect translation. Yay. Okay.

Please read first the Tibetan and then read your translation and then me and word will pick on you. Perfect. Could you throw the box to somebody?

Or do you want me to read it? You read. You read first.

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All right, okay.

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NUS PA RANG GI LUG LA RANG SONG PA PO'I SANGS RGYAS BAG PA'I RDO RJE MI THUN CHOG PO'I PHYIR DU GSUM PA'I NAG SANGS RGYAS KYI SKAD SEMS NI Yeah, so the system of the Geshe course books for a thousand years has been you don't tell the student the correct thing first. First you try to confuse them. And so every presentation of a topic, and there may be a hundred topics in these books, each one is presented first, a debater comes and argues something which is slightly wrong.

And then we fight with them. And we learn a lot by listening to somebody make mistakes. And then in the second section, we just present what's correct.

And that reads like a modern Western textbook. So a modern Western textbook, they don't have this section at the beginning where somebody presents slightly wrong ideas and gets defeated. And it's very, very useful.

So ever since Lord Buddha's time, there has been this tradition to debate it first. And then you explain it. So we finish the debate about what is the word of the Buddha.

We heard a lot of slightly wrong ideas and we learned a lot. And now we get the RANG LUG. RANG LUG means here's the party line.

Here's the actual correct presentation. After that, there's a very intriguing section called where he gets to come back and attack us. He gets to come back and attack what we said, which is very democratic in a way.

You see, he gets to come back and defend himself again. So we just reached the second section after, I don't know, one year or six months, I don't know. Two years.

Oh no, second section of this debate, like six months. So here's RANG LUG. Here is what we believe is the definition of the speech of the Buddha.

And here we go. GNYIS PA RANG GI LUG LA You want to translate? Sure.

The GNYIS PA RANG GI LUG LA is in the second part of our debate structure. We'll present our position. Now, this is so confusing to me.

It's like RANG SOM PA PO'I SANGS RGYAS It's the Buddha who's the author. Good. The composer of the teaching.

The one who created the teaching. Oh, just the general.

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Yeah.

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The one who created the... The RANG means the book's author or the book's teaching speaker must be a SANGS RGYAS. Must be a Buddha.

Then why do they say BPAG PA? Yeah, they're also an Arya. So when you say all the Aryas in the world, it includes all the Buddhas in the world.

So here he says an Arya, but only one who is a Buddha. So if it's the speech of the Buddha, it has to be spoken by an Arya. Then you say, oh, well, all the Aryas are teaching sutras.

You say, no, no, an Arya who is enlightened. Okay, BPAG PA. Then the...

So going to the end, we're saying the definition SEMS NI of the word of the Buddha is speech whose purpose, or the purpose of the speech is to eliminate the student's wrong ideas or wrong views. Good. Sorry.

Yeah, BIPIN CHOG means the negative side or the negative side in the student. So any speech which is spoken by an enlightened being to help a student improve themselves is the definition of Lord Buddha's speech. Two divisions.

Open and secret. Sutra and tantra. Okay, good.

Okay, CHUNG MI SEMS NI NGAG There's something here. It has to be NGAG. It has to be spoken.

Yeah, it has to be spoken. They weren't written in the time of the Buddha. They were written down later.

That's why they said, EVA MA YA ZHUGS DAM This is what I heard. Okay, keep going. Next one.

DE LA YE NA SHAMES SUNG PE KA JE SU NANGWE KA NANGWE KA NANGWE KA JIN GYI LA PE KA DANG SUM Translate. Definition is divided into three types. The direct word spoken by the Buddha.

Yeah. Right here. SUNG PE KA Then, JE SU NANGWE KA is speech permitted by the Buddha to be spoken by others as a substitute for the word of the Buddha.

Good. You can say that. That's long.

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Okay.

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And JIN GYI LA PE KA is speech spoken by others through the power of a blessing by the Buddha. Yeah, good. You can say the word of the Buddha is three types.

Number one, spoken directly from their own lips, ZHAL NAS. One. Two, permitted by the Buddha to be added to sutras by non-Buddha.

Like this I heard once. And then thirdly, JIN GYI LA PE KA means speech of the Buddha which occurs through the blessing or the magic of the Buddha. Sort of like in the Heart Sutra?

We're going to get the examples right now. Okay. Those are the only two I did, so we can flip over to you.

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Okay.

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You want to pick someone to pick on?

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Sure.

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Pick someone to pick on. Who would like to try? Let's see.

Let's do Aldo. Let's do Chloe. This is her first time highlighting the ancient language on the computer during our class.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Thank you, Chloe. So thank you, Chloe. She's doing a great job, too.

Okay. Eat the microphone. There's something breaking.

We don't have the cords. We only want that kind of reading. Okay.

While they're working to fix that, I just want to make a short announcement. Two of the Mixed Nuts went through a teacher training with one of the ancient text organizations and are now officially organization teachers. One was Betz Greer, and the other one is Ward Smith.

Yay! So thank you for now being official teachers. So go teach people and give them certificates.

Yay! Nice. Is it working now?

And pay Betz. Yay, good job. Okay.

Go ahead, Chloe. Starting with Dung Putney.

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You're correct.

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Nice. Nice, Chloe. Yay!

Example of the first one, which is teaching delivered directly from the mouth of the Buddhas, is DO BDOD PA, which is? Short Sutra. It's the short Prajnaparamita Sutra, which we had this morning, or yesterday.

This morning. What did they say? All the Buddhas of the universe have traveled the path of the six perfections.

Yeah, it was quoted this morning. So that's a real, came from Buddha's own mouth. That's the first type, example.

What was the second one? Allowed by the Buddha to add to a sutra. Very few things, only by specific permission, to be added to the teacher's own words, is SHES RAB SNYING PO.

Heart Sutra. Inside of it, NANG RTZEN THUGS BRGYUR PA'I, is the words? NI SKAD BDAG GIS THOS PA GCOD GCIG Yeah.

So they had a meeting after Lord Buddha passed away, and they said, we should write down what he said, to make sure we got it right. And they started writing down things. And they had three huge meetings, and only arhats were allowed to come.

And they would always say, here's what I heard. NI SKAD BDAG GIS THOS PA GCOD GCIG NA So Buddha said, after I pass away, you're allowed to add just that one sentence. This is what I heard him say.

And then that will be part of the sutra. So it's not spoken by Lord Buddha, but it's permitted to be added to sutras by Lord Buddha, and therefore it became the Buddha's word. Cool.

All right, third one. Did he give some examples of... How should we say?

Blessed speech. Okay, blessed speech. All right.

And he gives some difficulties. SAM BYAR means segues inside of a sutra. Sometimes there's poetry between the major sections of a sutra or something like that, and those are allowed.

Then LTUNG RGYUR. LTUNG RGYUR means Buddha... Suppose you're recording, suppose you're one of those arhats, and you say, Lord Buddha said this.

And everybody went, wow. Then is the wow part of the sutra or not? And the answer is yes.

And it's called LTUNG RGYUR. LTUNG RGYUR means... Sorry, LTUNG RGYUR means we agree, we like it.

And then RJES SU YI RANG, you know from the seven preliminaries, it means rejoice. Wow, that was cool. So those are allowed to be added to sutras.

The reaction of the audience is allowed to be added to sutras. And so we're very strict about what's allowed. By the way, when we started ALL, we recorded the byte count of every book.

Byte count means... Basically a word might have seven or eight bytes. So we recorded the byte count of every sutra we typed in.

And you can tell if someone changed a single letter because of the byte count. The byte count will change. So we're very, very strict to have a byte count.

And in the ancient times, they had a bamboo count. And bamboo count is a syllable count. And they had the same check system inside of the book.

So that became also part of the sutra. And they were very, very strict not to allow people to keep adding crap to sutras. Because that's what happens in 2,000 years.

Everyone says, I think I should add a poem. Or I think I should add something. But it's very nice in Buddhism, we have a byte count.

We have a syllable count. And you're not allowed to add things. Like there's a lot of discussion that the last chapter of the Yoga Sutra is not Patanjali.

It doesn't seem to be his style. And it doesn't follow from the first three chapters. And that's very common in non-Buddhist texts in ancient India.

People will add something. So we have byte count. And we're strict about it.

So the comments of the... When you say, wow, in a teaching, we add eight bytes to the byte count. And it's okay.

It's allowed. The audience reaction is allowed during the sutra. Not after the sutra.

That's a common... That's just research I did to do that. All right.

Go ahead. How about Christina? Yeah.

Yes, you can do it. You do it in my classes. You can do it.

Forget that you can't do it. Thank you for not throwing it over the tech table. Yeah, you're right.

Are they showing mine?

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Yes.

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At the top. Let me give you a big cursive here.

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GONE GONE GONE GIN GYI RAB RAB KHE DANG DZUNG Nice job.

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So if we talk about words which are added to sutras by the permission of the Buddha, or by the blessing of the Buddha, we call it, These can be divided into three types. Those which are permitted, which are expressed by ku. By the body?

Yeah, physically. Physically, okay. Then there's exceptions that are expressed through su.

Through speech. And then there's tuk. Mind.

Yeah, so either the Buddha has physically, verbally, or mentally approved or blessed this addition to the sutra, okay? And then he gives examples. And he says, Tim, who's gonna read?

How about, how about Sophie? No. How about, how about Andriana?

So, before we move on, she went to a program this year to study the language, to study this language. And we have a shop here that if you would like to support people going to learn the ancient language, it's available, talk to Rachana and Tracy, and they can help you buy cool stuff. It is cool stuff.

Yes. Like it's real paintings and stuff like that, good ones. They have, sometimes you see fake stuff or weird stuff.

It's not like that, it's good stuff. Okay, so blessed by his physical presence, he says it's similar to the DO DE SA CHUG PA. SA CHUG PA means the 10th level.

And generally, although there's a debate about it, you can say the 10th bodhisattva level is the level of enlightenment. Sometimes they say 11th. But the sutra is called the 10th level sutra.

If you go looking for it, you will not find it. It's part of the Avatamsaka, a huge collection of miscellaneous sutras. It takes a long time to find it.

But anyway, in that sutra, the Buddhists of the universe express their approval of the sutra by showing up. So like a billion Buddhists cover the sky, and they're like, you know? So that's kind of allowed to be part of the sutra.

Their physical blessing is part of the sutra. Got it? Okay, that's the example of first one, physical.

Speech, there's a sutra called Trying to Remove the Regret of Ajatashatru. And he's a person who killed, you know there's the five big bad deeds, like killing your mom, killing your dad, trying to kill a Buddha. He, killing an Arhat, and what is the other one?

Oh, trying to draw blood from a Buddha, with evil intent, so it doesn't cover blood draws. So these five, he's famous because he did two of them. He killed his father who was an Arhat, and later he regretted it.

By the way, his name is the Enemy Unborn. Ajatashatru, not born, shatru means enemy. And they told his father that if he was born, he would murder his father.

And so they named him the Unborn Enemy, but he was born and he did kill his father. Later he regretted it and they tried to tell him, you know, don't feel so bad. They tried to clear away his grief by teaching him confession, to teach him about confession.

So there's a sutra where there's discussions between people that the Buddha has allowed to be part of the sutra. People telling him what to do, became part of the sutra to remove his grief. GYIS PA, his regret.

And there's the, I went and got you the quotations from the sutras themselves. So you don't have to translate them, but the removing the regret is a conversation between two disciples. Is that a sutra or not?

If it's true, yes. Yeah, if the Buddha has. Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah, if the Buddha allowed it. If the Buddha allowed the conversation to be part of the sutra, it's part of the sutra, okay?

All right. Then we haven't covered yet. So we covered Buddha allowing people physically to be in the sutra.

A billion other Buddhas show up and say, cool, that's allowed to be part of the sutra. It's allowed to be part of the sutra if there's a conversation between normal humans inside the sutra. That becomes part of the sutra, even though it wasn't spoken by the Buddha.

Got it? And then the third example, which is sutras which were blessed by the mind of the Buddha. We have more examples.

And those are beautiful. So Tim's going to choose somebody to suffer. How about Tracy?

Tracy, I don't know what kind of drug you took, but she didn't know any Tibetan. And then suddenly a week later, she's like really reading well. And all I can think of.

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Just coming to all your classes, Geshe-la.

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Must be Ward Smith's class.

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And Ward's class is amazing. Thank you.

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Yeah, I don't know what happened, but God bless. Okay. Please read.

Tim's going to check.

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Okay. Okay. Sumbala chena tuktingne chinggi kone chinggi lapeka tukten peko ne chinggi lapeka tukprin leki kone chinggi lapeka tang sum.

Nice. Nice.

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So words that are blessed by the Buddha's mind stream, and they become part of sutras, there's three different divisions. One comes from the ting and zin of the Buddha. From the single point of meditation.

Yeah, the Buddha goes into deep meditation. People talk because of it. And that becomes part of the sutra.

Okay. Secondly, tukten peko ne. This is like an act of truth.

Yeah, act of truth. If it's true, I never had a bad thought about somebody made the Ganges River flow backwards. And it will.

Okay, like that. So the Buddha did acts of truth, and those created changes in people, and that became part of sutra. Then ching ne kyi kone.

Ching ne. I don't remember what that means. Yeah, ching ne means the activity of an enlightened being.

My first teacher was named ching ne. Tenzin ching ne. Okay.

All right, ngon ne chinggi lape kar. And he's going to give examples, and it will be more clear. But first, somebody has to read it.

Oh, let's see. How about Christina? You're holding the microphone already.

DANG PO NI ZHES RAB YIN PO THABS Stop. Stop there. I'm going to ask you to cut it in parts, okay?

Wherever you are. Yeah, hi. So where the Buddha goes into a deep meditation, and that causes sutra to be produced.

The example is, Tim? The Heart Sutra. Yeah, Heart Sutra.

In the beginning of the Heart Sutra, So he goes into deep meditation, and due to his blessing, two of his students have a conversation, and that's called the Heart Sutra. So that's the first example. Due to the Buddha's blessing, two people talk, and that becomes the word of the Buddha.

Okay? Second example. Christina, continue.

Please read.

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GNYIS PA NI SANGS RGYAS KYIS BSTAN PA GRO PA'I What's that? BYUNG?

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Yeah, BYUNG. BYUNG.

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BYUNG SHING LUNG GYIS GYUR PA LAS CHUNG BA'I BYUR GYIS SDOM GZHI SDOM PA'I GNAG GNAG THA BU YIN Nice.

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When you see a Z-H, there's two SHAs in Tibetan. There's SHA and ZHA. So when you see a Z, don't think Z, just think low tone.

ZHA, ZHI, SDOM ZHI. So Buddha, DEN PA'I RGYUD Tim? Yeah.

Yeah, the act of truth. Yeah, the Buddha does an act of truth. And because of that, BYUN SHING, SHING.

The trees. The trees start to GYUR PA. Blow.

The wind starts to blow. What would you call a tantric deity who doesn't move? Doesn't move.

It doesn't move, okay? But here the trees are moving. That gives you a nice feeling of what AK SHOB YIN means.

GYUR PA DE'I CHUNG BA'I GYUR KYI SDOM ZHIG Something four. Through the wind blowing the trees, you hear the Buddha teaching the four somethings. Yeah, these are the four.

This one doesn't mean SDOM PA. This one means the four principles of Buddhism. SDUG BSNGAL THAMS CAD MI LTAS PA SDUG BSNGAL THAMS CAD SDUG BSNGAL BA Like that.

I'm sure Ben Kramer can tell us what they are. Sure. It's all things.

I'll give you the first one because that's SDUG BSNGAL THAMS CAD MI LTAS PA All things brought about by causes are going away. All impure things are suffering. Everything is empty in the sense of lacking a self and nirvana is peace.

Those are called the four, the principles of Buddhism. So Buddha can, without opening his mouth, he can bless the trees to move and if you're in a good space, especially at Diamond Mountain in retreat, seriously, you will hear the trees talking to you and they will give you advice. And don't think you're crazy.

Listen, listen carefully. When you're in retreat, you can hear it. When you're not in retreat, you can't hear it.

That's why you come to Diamond Mountain. Today a huge black bird came in front of my window and huge, and sat there for a long time. And this is a traditional protector in the ancient teachings.

So I was like, wow, this is Diamond Mountain. You can't get that other places. All right.

BCUG GI SDOM GZHIG TU MI RNAG THAMS CAD MI GSUM PA NI SANGS RGYAS KYI PHYIN LAS KYI DBANG GIS I'm sorry, someone's going to read that. Christina. GSUM PA NI Oh, excuse me.

Or a big peacock might show up in your mind. Oh, yeah.

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GSUM PA NI SANGS RGYAS KYI What is that? PHYIN? PHYIN LAS KYI DBANG GIS GNOD PHYIN GNOD PHYIN SOGS KYIS THOR CHUNG DU RAB PA'I MA'I MA'I PHA'I RIGS GNAG RIGS GNAG ZLAB PAR CHEN THA BU YIN Nice.

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SANGS RGYAS KYI PHYIN LAS KYI DBANG GIS Due to the blessing of the activity of the Buddhas, GNOD PHYIN Demon? Yeah, a demon. Like a harmful spirit.

Like they come like a bill in the mail. GNOD PHYIN SOGS KYIS THOR CHUNG THOR CHUNG means to blurt out something. Okay, like, bop, you know.

And sometimes there's this thing with demons. If you meet a demon, and I've been on LES RUNGS where I met a demon, and I can say I've met a few. Like I'm not bragging, I'm just saying it happens.

Real demons. And if you follow your sadhana and you say, they asked me for LES RUNG advice, right? Here you go.

And you think you see them or you don't see them, or you can see them. And then you say, if Buddhism is true, speak something. And they will say OM MANI PADME HUM.

Or they will blurt out, THOR CHUNG means they will, by the force of the blessing of your retreat, even a demon will tell you something beautiful. Okay, RIGS NA means mantra. They will tell you a secret.

So when you run into a demon, you say, by the blessing of Lord Buddha's activities, may you speak something true. And then they're like, okay. OM OM OM SANGS RING PAS LA GNYIS YIN PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR YIN PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR GNOD NA NYID PAR Okay, okay, enough.

Okay, so that's been forced out of them by the Buddha's activity. Okay, and is that the word of the Buddha? Yeah, it's the third type of the blessing of the Buddha's mind.

Okay, like that, it's the third type. Cool. And it's a cool trick.

You can try it sometime. Sometimes they just hit you on the head. Okay.

I don't want to hurt him, shut up. Okay, who's next, Peter? By the way, we have finished the definition of speech of the Buddha.

We're done. Those are all, that's the whole teaching on what is Buddhism. And isn't it interesting that in a Buddhist book, the first thing they define is, what is Buddhism?

And that's so cool, right? And now we're going to get, what is it, what is permitted commentary on Buddhism, okay? What are the classics?

What's the definition of the classics? What should we spend our time studying? Okay, here we go.

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RANG MTSOMS PA PO SEMS CAN GYI GRUB DAG MTHONG PA'I SNGAG DANG BCUG KYI TZAM NYID Okay, RANG MTSOMS PA PO, Tim?

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The author, the person who composed this? Yeah, the person who wrote the book is a... SEMS CAN, a living being, a suffering living being.

Yeah, so there's this Buddhist word, SEMS CAN. Say SEMS CAN. And it literally means the person who has a SEM.

Has a mind. Has a mind. So it should include Buddhas.

But in the definition of SEMS CAN, they say, SDUG BSNGAL, SDUG BSNGAL GYI SEMS DANG BSTAN PA Suffering, has a suffering mind. Yeah, a living being who is suffering, is called SEMS CAN, okay? So, any SNGAG.

Any speech. Any speech of a suffering being, which teaches a GRUB DAG. A Siddhanta.

Yeah, a school of thought. Any speech of a person who is still in the world of suffering, which expresses some kind of Buddhist school, is the definition of a Buddhist commentary. An allowed Buddhist commentary.

And again, there's 3,700 of them. In Sanskrit, Shastra. There's 3,700.

And then there's 900. There's about 1,000 speech of the Buddha. So these are the classical commentaries, the great commentaries.

If you boil those 3,700 down, half of them are Tantra. Half of our canon, half of our holy books are Tantra. The other half, if you boil it down, it's a lot of, it's the five great books that are studied in the Geshe course.

You take 3,700 books, cut out half of them, study them later when you get to Tantric class, which you're only allowed in the monastery if you finish a Geshe. 20 years, 25 years. Diamond Mountain's a little bit easier.

And then, so the rest of those books, say 2,000 books, the best of them are five. And that's the Geshe course. And that's the ACI courses also.

They treat the five books. All right. Who's going to read next?

How about Maria in the back? Maria? Yes, Dela Yena, Yena.

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Dela Yena. Yes. Chirope Tenshudang, Nangpa Sangyepe Tenshuni.

[Говорящий 1]
Ni. Ni. Okay, cool.

Jim? Yes. There are two divisions of classical commentaries.

Good. The first one is a Chiropa. Yeah.

You can say non-Buddhist. Oh, okay. Non-Buddhist and then Buddhist.

Yeah, Buddhist. So the Yoga Sutra is a shastra, but it's not a Buddhist shastra, okay? For example.

Okay, cool. How about Sunam?

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Dela Yena.

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Next line.

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Nangpa. Nangpa Sangyepe Tenshunamdakni Dönchö.

[Говорящий 1]
All right. Nice. Tim.

The Dön here just means equals. Oh, okay. So the Buddhist classical commentaries.

Yeah, a classical Buddhist commentary and a NAM DAG commentary. A pure one? Correct.

Correct, okay. Are the same.

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Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
Buddhist classical commentary and correct classical commentary are synonyms. That sounds a little sectarian. Okay, and that's how he said it.

And you know, when I first read this, I just came out of my Christian life, and I was like, yeah, yeah. Every religion says that. But if you study for a long time and you meditate and you practice, you will agree.

Sooner or later you'll say, okay, that's correct. But THAR THUGS THER PA GCIG All paths lead to the same goal, okay? That's a principle in the Prajnaparamita.

That's a principle in Tim's book. We will have a section called THAR THUGS THER PA GCIG. In the end, everyone who's trying to be a good person ends up in the same place, okay?

It's very beautiful. And there's a bitter debate about it. And Arun, we take the position that you will.

If you're sincerely trying to practice a spiritual path, you will end up in the same place, okay? Cool. Yeah.

Yeah. But we don't have much time, so ask quick. Quick.

The NI in the last section, does it mean of the two? It's the two one? Yeah, these two expressions.

Number one, a Buddhist shastra. Number two, a correct shastra are synonymous. Okay.

Yeah, synonymous. Thank you. Nice question.

Cool. I hate to say it, but it's okay. Okay.

How about Francisco for the next line? Yay, Francisco. RANG SOGS PA SOGS SANGS SKYE GCIG SKYE SONGS RIGS THUGS SONGS SKYE GNAGS SKYE SONGS BRAL DU YUR PA RANG PO DANG PHYO DANG PHYO SNYAM DANG CI SANG NYID Good.

Nice job. Okay, nice. By the way, on Monday afternoons, Arizona time, so we do Saturday mornings early, mostly for Europe and North and South America.

And then on Mondays, we start in the late afternoon to catch the Asian audience. So it would be, this class would start at 7 a.m. in Beijing, for example. So we're going to, the schedule for today that we usually follow is a one hour class with one translator.

Then we'll do a 15 minute discussion of all the students. And you can just make comments. How did this help you?

How were you confused? What would you like to know about it? We can talk about it.

How can you apply this to your real life? That will be led by the translator, which is Tim in this case. Then we have a 15 minute Peachtree World News, which is, we have 41 organizations in the World View Network around the world.

And we tell news from each organization for 15 minutes. If you would like your news to be put in, ask Quan after the class. If you're here in person, you've got to either PP during the first 15 minutes or the second 15 minutes.

So personally, I would do the second 15 minutes. But you're very, very welcome to do that because then we start another hour of translation class. And that's a tough hour.

So I would say get everything out before the class. Okay, let's go. You're going to translate, Tim?

RANG TZAM PA PO Let's get this sentence done. Our author. Yeah, the author of that text or the author of that teaching, RANG TZAM PA PO.

If it's a SEMS CAN. If it's a, I'm guessing a suffering living being. Yeah, meaning a non-Buddha.

The author is a non-Buddha and they have written TZAM PA, or composed something as a BRAL PA. A commentary to the speech of the Buddha. Good.

That's called a Buddhist commentary on the speech of the Buddha. So there's a special word and there's a special definition for a Buddhist commentary. A commentary by a human being on the speech of the Buddha is called GA'I BSGOM BRAL.

And here's the definition of it. And that's a correct, that's a correct commentary which is commenting directly on the speech of the Buddha. Okay.

All right. And I'm going to just do the next two sentences. That commentary on the speech of the Buddha can either be a commentary on the GOMS PA.

True intent. Yeah, what was the Buddha generally trying to say? You can have Buddhist commentaries on general concepts of Lord Buddha or you can discuss a particular statement by Lord Buddha.

So there's two kinds of Buddhist commentaries. One, a human being talks about what he thought or she thought Lord Buddha meant. Or in general, or you can say, here's what each line of the Heart Sutra means.

You can write a commentary like that. And then he gives an example of the first would be those commentaries on the SEMS DE BDUN which is the seven great books of, yeah, clear thinking. Seven great books on clear thinking along with their dull word.

I gave you their clue on the screen. Didn't I? SEMS DE BDUN Yeah, SEMS DE BDUN.

That sutra in this case is a nickname for the Pramana Sutra. Pramana Vajrayana. So should I?

Dignaga's text. Seven books by Dharmakirti. And then the root book by his, so here sutra means root book by his teacher who's not a Buddha in the normal sense.

Then Tim's going to lead a discussion. Grandpa's going to sit down and daydream. And Tim's going to translate these three sentences for next time.

Starts with Nipun. Cool. Okay.

Okay, thank you Geshe Michael. Oh, Tim. All right.

It's weird when you concentrate the whole time and then you're like, now I'm going to talk about it. So I'll just open it up while I'm processing. What thoughts came to your minds?

Okay, since many of you are going to be going into three days of silent contemplation after today, is there anything in here that you find relevant? Or no, or it could be about anything else. Go ahead, Sherry.

Okay. Near the beginning of the text that we started, one of the things that you were translating was that it had, and I don't exactly remember, but it said it has to be an Arya, but an Arya who is enlightened, which basically means a Buddha. So why say it that way?

Why say Arya, but who has a pure mind? Rather than just saying a Buddha. What's the point of that?

My microphone went back, thank you. That's an interesting question. The first thing that came to mind, which I have no idea if it's accurate or not, is maybe it helps us distinguish between enlightenment on the Hinayana track and enlightenment on the Mahayana track.

And it's speaking specifically of Mahayana Buddhas. Or maybe it's also just to emphasize that they're really cool. That, I don't know, just giving more, sometimes you have like five different names and you're just giving a Buddha who's an Arya as well, just in case you forgot that they're really cool.

I don't know. Does anyone online or anyone here have anything to add to that, to explore what that could be?

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Hi, everybody. I was thinking that, I mean, I will not say anything new, but I think this system is really crazy good. I mean, first, like in the format of debate, first we review slightly wrong ideas or completely wrong.

Then we review correct ideas. Then we fight, they fight back. And then we smash them with correct reasoning.

And I think it would be a great idea like to do it in the schools, you know, like because we teach, I mean, I and Bill, we teach, or Bill and I. And I think it's great to implement in any kind of education, this idea, you know, because people, they start thinking, especially to children.

[Говорящий 1]
I don't know, maybe somebody will use this idea for schools or kindergartens, I don't know. So this is what I was thinking. I think that's really cool because it is a debate text is that they're being highly specific.

And so if there is that specificity, maybe it's there for us to think why, like every word matters, right? I like that. Anyone else wanna, oh, Robert.

I like the example of the, by the blessing of Lord Buddha's activity, you may speak something true when we're talking about the demon thing, because I guess I didn't think of it as sort of in a practical sense, like in your, you know, because we're in the business of projects. Business of what? Projects.

Projects. Right, and so, or, you know, you come up to an obstacle at work professionally, or, you know, whatever, customs, who knows. And just calling on that, you know, just like some extra special sauce that you can use in your everyday life, you know, quietly in our mind.

Like, you know how sometimes we'll be on the subway and we'll do like a tong len, for example. It's just like one more little practical thing that we can kind of just use to help us, I think at the end with our goals of trying to help everybody. Because we're always going to start running into obstacles, is what we've been talking about a little bit.

And how Getsula said, you know, I don't have much time in my life. I'm not even going to think about it. And so, it's like a little arsenal of tools that you can use.

So for me, I thought, this is brilliant. Maybe just give it a try and see. I would love that if my boss is yelling at me.

My boss is yelling at me and I just pull out an act of truth in the moment and force them to say something really cool. Like they're yelling at me and then they're like, oh, Monte Pendejo, and I'm like, yes. That would be, no, but I like that, Rob.

Like pulling it out of the, you know, into our real life. Like, can we use, like see that those things as demons and if by the power of our good practice, can we shift or transform that, what's happening right now, because it's coming from us. So it could shift in a moment where they could be a yelling boss or they could be someone giving you the most secret cool advices to change your life at the same time, depending on what your seeds are.

That's cool. I like that. Juan Hasso.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you, Tim. Just question about the language.

You were in the quiz bringing up the difference between ka and ngak. And then in the first verse, I saw it says, what's the definition of sangeki ka, I think? And I just wonder why it's not in the honorific form.

[Говорящий 1]
It is the honorific form.

[Говорящий 2]
Ka?

[Говорящий 1]
Ka is the honorific.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, and ngak is the regular.

[Говорящий 1]
Correct.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay, thank you. I thought it was the other way around. Oh, thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
Cool, well, good to clarify. Anyone else? Yes, can we toss or gently hand the microphone to Geshe-la, please?

One more comment. So ka means it's the high honorific. It's like the exalted speech of the Buddha.

Then ngak means speech of anybody. And then ka also has the second meaning of the command of a king. So there's some feeling of that.

When you say ka, there's some feeling of it was spoken by a king or a queen. Cool. What other cool ideas or applications?

Does Joe Fulton wanna say something? Yes. Hi.

Just because people are going into retreat the next couple of days, I'm not sure the right question to ask, but the idea around in the Heart Sutra, the Buddha going into deep meditation and doing the puppeting thing. Like why allow that to be like an excuse or a reason for it to be in the Sutra? Why not just have it be, here's the Heart Sutra?

[Говорящий 2]
Like where else does that show up? Maybe that's a better question.

[Говорящий 1]
That's an interesting question. So one of the styles of, one of the types of high honorific ka speech of the Buddha is what Joe was talking about in the Heart Sutra. So he's kind of asking, one, is it anywhere else?

Does that happen anywhere else? So Geshe-la said, that's the famous example, but it probably happens elsewhere. But it's sort of like, why?

Why did the Buddha go into deep meditation and then have two of his students talk versus just say it himself? Seems like a lot of effort. Why would that be something cool?

Like, why would that be something that, and what would be the meaning behind it? Like, what's the purpose? Do you wanna add?

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, sure. First thing that comes to mind is, and it starts to just open you to the idea that two people having a conversation could be very special, you know? Like that's, and I actually really enjoyed learning about all the different things that can be in a sutra, like the audience reaction and everything.

And it just helps you be a little bit less rigid or compartmentalizing, like this is holy and that's not.

[Говорящий 1]
I like that. So maybe saying, focusing on the teaching and not the teacher? Yeah.

I like that. Any other ideas? And I have some ideas.

[Говорящий 2]
Oh, cool. Hi, Emma.

[Говорящий 1]
I think maybe just like us, we are discussing something here, like in a dialogue that is more interesting and fun, and maybe Geshe-la is sitting aside and then. Really? He's not in deep meditation, but he just pretends that.

[Говорящий 2]
How do you know?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I think this is fun. So maybe it's a good teaching to let us discuss while we are teaching us, and then maybe somebody get it recorded and maybe in the future, and that become another modern Heart Sutra.

[Говорящий 2]
Nobody knows.

[Говорящий 1]
That's so, that's so. Just kidding. Just kidding.

Sophie, did you have something? Sophie, did you wanna?

[Говорящий 2]
Sophie.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, sure. Can you speak about the legacy? Sure.

[Говорящий 2]
Yes, on the previous question, that sometimes when it allows the students to get the teaching into pieces, which is more digestible. So when it's a conversation among two people, it's easier, like if it's just a statement from one, when it's as a conversation, it allows to like that debrief or that desmenuzarlo mas, so it gets more easily, so we can eat it more easily.

[Говорящий 1]
Just like this cake. Nice. Cool.

Chloe, and this will be the last comment that Juan Hasso is gonna come up and give us the weekly entertainment news, what's happening around the world and all of our organizations.

[Говорящий 2]
Buddha needs to talk through a normal human, for people has lesser good seed to see an enlightened being. So in this way, so-so girls, the people who have not have very virtuous seeds are able to receive the teachings through a normal human.

[Говорящий 1]
It's a compassion for the Buddha to do that. I'd like that, but the only thing I would say is that if you're a so-so Kayo, like me, and you're able to hear holy speech, I think you probably have some pretty good seeds. That's the only thing I would change, if I would consider it very special that you're able to, and that could then transform into something more beautiful, even more beautiful.

Cool, thank you, Chloe. Juan, are you ready? Yay.

It's not working.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay. Hola. Just checking, it's working.

Okay. Thank you everyone for being in these classes. They are advanced classes, and I was just listening to some of my friends who are organizing the retreats, talking about these classes now are becoming very important part of every of the events all over the world.

They are very meaningful, not always necessarily easy, but as Geshe-la like to say, sometimes difficult classes help us to learn deeper ideas, to help us to grow even more in knowledge, and even better when they are fun, like now. So we want to encourage everyone, you can keep following these classes. They are gonna be happening on weekly basis.

They happen all over the world. A few weeks ago, we had some of them in Asia, in Japan. They were wonderful.

So here's the QR code for anybody who is live or online who want to sign up for them. Here you can follow closely what's happening specifically with those classes. Very, very wonderful.

So you may wonder where these texts are coming from, and we want to talk a little bit about ALL, because they are having a very cool event. We talked a little bit about this before, but in Taipei, in Taiwan, they are organizing a very cool concert, fundraising event for ALL. ALL basically is the organization who looks for lost ancient texts.

They try to digitalize them, preserve them. They send them first to India to be imputed in the computer, then they send them to Sedona, basically, and there is where our wonderful team of translators led by Geshe Michael do the magic. Oh, wow, okay, they are going very fast.

So yeah, a concert is coming up. It's gonna be 4 a.m. Arizona time. You know, Arizona has become a standard time for the world.

It's a reference time, but it's gonna be amazing. Apparently, the next picture, please, they're gonna have a very important Hollywood International Film Scoremaster, Hans Zimmer, involved or something like that. Ooh.

So John, Brady, La, if you are watching, we send you best regards, best success. It's gonna be wonderful. The venue is gonna be very, very, very beautiful.

It's the next picture. It's supposed to be like a great acoustics, so elegant. It's gonna be a huge, massive event.

So if you don't have the chance to watch it live, probably not because I think it's happening tomorrow. Oh, no, two days from now, but at 4 a.m. here. We hope to be able to watch the recording.

I think they are preparing like a whole display of, I would say like a play that has a theme involved with the ancient scriptures. So thank you, John Brady, for all your work. There is a QR code if you wanna sign up for that.

And I think our next, yes, they are also, here is Sophie. Where is she? Where?

Well, she's organizing a very cool event in June with John Brady as well. They are gonna be teaching about the Heart Sutra. If you are around or you're curious, you can also follow the QR code.

I wanted to just, but I don't see her. But if you are here, you can stand up and people, if you're interested, talk to her. I don't see her, but she's around.

And yeah, okay, next thing. As you may know, we just came back from, this one is a very close, it's not quite Kyoto, but very close to Kyoto. It's just like a few hour drive.

That's why I wanted her to stand up, but I don't see her. Okay, so we were in Kyoto and I would like to invite Xiaoping to come with us. It was a wonderful event.

We just wanted to share a little bit of what happened. And I wanna say, Xiaoping, thank you so much because the production was amazing, unbelievable. The place was amazing.

But what I want to thank you the most is your kindness and the friendship and how nicely you treat us all. Thank you so much. Be just ready whenever you want.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, so as you may know, that Diamond Silk Entrepreneur University was founded in 2022.

[Говорящий 2]
And our goal is to build a full university in the long run. So we start with business school and our strategy is start with MBA and EMBA and then build a business school. And then the next step is to build bachelor degree.

And we are building two campus, one in Sedona, Arizona. The other one is in Kyoto. So we are in the middle of our first MBA, EMBA program.

It's like 10 months now.

[Говорящий 1]
And so this video is only a short video, but it can give us a taste of what our program look like.

[Говорящий 2]
It's like a four day event. While MBA, EMBA is like 20 month event. Yeah, so I would like to share with you this short video.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Can you team help us with the lights?

[Говорящий 1]
Just, it looks better. Thank you.

[Говорящий 2]
As you can see, it's very cool. Just kidding. Yeah, right?

You have to come. No, it's about to. It's running, but not running.

But it was beautiful, I promise. Rob was there, Tim was there, Stanley was there. They can all testify it's true.

And well, in the meantime, yeah, Geshe-la was there. Of course. In the meantime, you were about to share with us a little bit of what's the next you have planned.

Maybe now we can do that first. What you have in your mind.

[Говорящий 1]
Yes, once we finish the first MBA, EMBA and upgrade it. And we are going to start our second MBA, EMBA in March 2025. And so very soon we are going, our textbook writer, Professor Geshe Michael, he's our guiding father.

And we are soon be designing our bachelor degree.

[Говорящий 2]
Now, I'm very happy to share with you that we have already choose our first major, which is called entrepreneurship.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, and then once we start bachelor degree program, you'll be a four year full program.

[Говорящий 2]
So today we would like to share this video, is just want to share with you the progress we have made and invite you to pay to, if you are interested to follow us. So if your children, maybe you're interested, your children or your nephew or your granddaughter, they can attend. Yeah, because it's a very long project, yeah.

So question for you, is anyone welcome to come? What, how can you qualify to be able to attend this program?

[Говорящий 1]
Oh, for our next program, okay, the video is ready now. Thank you.

[Говорящий 2]
Better the video first, so people get excited.

[Говорящий 1]
So I'm very happy to be able to meet you all in person here in Chengdu again today. We are in the blooming season of cherry blossoms. One year has passed, and we have successfully started our MBA, EMBA course.

This semester, we are about to start a new course, called Responsible Business Leadership. When you are keeping your ethics, or you are studying more about keeping your ethics, keep your heart is relaxed, just to talk about ethics, just to talk about stopping those painful behaviors. You have a vision how you get to stop.

When you feel joyful, you are on the right path. When you feel sad, you are on the right path. When you feel happy, you are on the right path.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you so much. It was wonderful, really, really fun, beautiful, super professional, amazing. I really impressed both of you.

Geshe-la, congratulations, amazing.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you.

[Говорящий 2]
So then, okay, what's next? How about how can people be part of this?

[Говорящий 1]
You can pay attention. Just follow us.

[Говорящий 2]
We have our website and there's a QR code. And meanwhile, during this retreat, if you are interested, I want to get to know more about the progress of university. You can talk to my colleagues, Stanley Chang and Dinara.

Yes, particularly we are building our goal is to build a two beautiful physical campus. So it's a hundred years of vision. And it won't happen because many of your support and people who are online.

[Говорящий 1]
But we need your continuous support. Yeah, that's all.

[Говорящий 2]
Thank you. Thank you very much. So just before we start with our next class that we have here with us, Ward, amazing teacher, amazing friend.

That's good. We just want to celebrate a little bit, a very other special thing that we have here. He's had his birthday and I would like to invite Rob to come with us very quickly and share a little bit of what was your experience?

Because there you go. We created that poster for you. He has like many hidden talents.

He's like a lacrosse star player. Macchiato, if you ever want to give him a present. And nowadays you may know he's Geshe Michael personal fixer.

He does basically all that needs to be fixed. So happy birthday. Forty three, right?

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah. Fixer Junior. Jigme is Fixer Senior.

All right. You got to pay respect. OK, yeah, of course.

[Говорящий 2]
It's a good, good Irish guy. Now, this is the thing. We have cake for you.

Wonderful. So I would like to ask you, how was your experience? Because we just came from a tour.

I had the chance to be part of the first half of the tour. But you did all of it. If you can share with us a little bit of how it was for you.

And we have a few pictures to share while you talk. How was this trip? Look at that, man.

They do know how to like welcome you well. I have to admit. They're very good.

That guy.

[Говорящий 1]
I don't know why I sent that. I do clean up well. It was amazing.

I think these guys are just great producers of events. They're a great example to see. Because I've watched people do events for almost 30 years.

And to watch each generation just get better and better and better. And the students' hearts opening up more and more and more. It's just incredible.

There I am in the middle. Next to Connie. Shanghai was remarkable.

Kyoto was remarkable. You know, really, at the end of the day, it's just, I was thinking today, I was talking to Xiao Ping yesterday. And just so nice to have all these really good friends.

That you were able to do these programs with. To have these bonds with these people that we travel around the world with. And then be able to help in any way.

President Obama said, if you want to get noticed, Just learn how to get things done.

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And it's such a great piece of advice. And you're around a lot of people who know how to make things happen.

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And you can't help but it rub off on you. You know, like you just hang out with them. And you travel with them.

And you just, they just rub off on you. And you always pick up a little skill from like Stanley. From Xiao Ping.

From you. Yeah, of course. You're so.

I think he's an amazing, amazing. This Peachtree News is remarkable. And I watched him blossom into this incredible sort of presenter, basically.

And I think you're going to turn into this very handsome, gray-haired, Mexican, beautiful man.

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Who will just be like, ah, back in the day. I remember the beginning.

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When I had no money, but now look at me. Let me tell you how this works. The four steps.

It's funny that you connect the gray hair with beautiful.

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And I don't know if I'm going to have any left. We have a bag of hair. Actually, in Shanghai, someone dressed as Geshe Michael.

So we could give you the wig. Oh, Kyoto? Yeah.

It was amazing. Yeah, the whole trip was just remarkable. I would encourage anyone.

Really, if you can get involved in any project, anywhere you are in the world.

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Reach out to either an organizer or a friend or someone who is involved. And there's always something for you to do. When I first started, I think they asked if I could help with music.

Not music, but electronic device, which I have zero skill in. But I just said yes a lot. Like I always said.

Personally, I always said yes. So if an opportunity came, you just never know which direction it's going to take you. And so personally, I think you should just jump in.

Give it your all. Don't worry about if you're overwhelmed, it's going to happen. You're going to grow.

Constantly, I'm always like, ah, this is an opportunity to grow. Schedule, for example, I did not see that coming. And it's like unbelievable.

I met Mr. Aragawa's assistant.

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And we sat in the hotel in the lobby speaking to each other. And she showed me Mr. Aragawa's schedule. And I was like, hold on.

And I pulled out Geshe-la's schedule. And I was like, can I Zoom call you and talk about tricks of the trade? But we're so lucky.

We really are. To be part of any of these things. And I think when you leave here, it becomes evident when you go home.

People smell it.

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They pick up on it. They know something's going on. And then it's going to be your responsibility to pass this on to your colleague, your family member, the person at the gas station, the coffee shop, whatever.

So, yeah, just grateful.

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Thank you very much. Because I really admire the job you do. And I really admire this fact that you are always thinking about how you could serve better your personal teachers, but also the community in general.

And you have helped me a lot. You have welcomed me very much since I came back to Arizona. Thank you so much for all the help you do to Geshe Michael and to the whole community.

Very happy birthday. Thank you so much.

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Okay. Now we have Ward Smith and Shubna.

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It's all yours.

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Can you guys show a word screen? Can you show a word screen? I might need Internet.

Can I get on the Internet? Can I get on the Internet? Can you help him get on the Internet?

Well, how do I show my screen? Do you want to air drop it? Okay, air drop it.

It's your homework, right? That's the best. Okay.

Do you want to air drop it? You can air drop it. Okay.

All right. Are we ready? Yeah.

Okay. Thank you, sir. Great.

All right. All right. Hi, everybody.

Good morning. Yeah, so we're starting ten minutes late, so we'll go ten minutes late. Yay!

All right. Okay. Okay, so my book, so I've been working on mind-only texts for about...

A hundred years. That's past life. It doesn't count.

It's like seven or eight years now. We started with this book, and it's called The Difficult Points in the Mind-Only School by Jason Kappa, okay? And then it was too hard for us, and so that's how The Golden Key came about.

We then... Oh, yeah, by the way, we're going to be signing copies of The Golden Key as a fundraiser for the Mixed Nuts, because we keep having children. Who's we?

Ben Kramer and Nick.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, yeah, here's my book. So we had to do this book to help us with the book we're doing now, and then we went back to this book that we're doing now by Jason Kappa. And it's a book about the two extra consciousnesses in the mind-only school.

Most schools have six. Most schools have six, and the mind-only school has eight, two extra, right? So that's the main topic of the book, and now we're in the second part of the book that's talking all about the negative consciousness.

According to the mind-only school, there's a part of your mind that makes you have all your problems. And somehow, if you can stop that, you can stop your problems. So we're trying to figure that out so we can stop my problems.

All right? Thank you, Ken. And so this is our homework.

If you weren't here for last class, good luck. If you were here for last class, good luck. Okay, here we go.

In last class... Closer? Closer.

Closer. Better? Okay.

In last class, what did we learn about the feeling of happiness as concerns the negative consciousness? Specifically, what kind of happiness is it? Online, please help.

Someone took notes. What kind of happiness? Say?

That's true. Do you remember what, Alex, do you remember what kind of happiness it was? Was it regular happiness?

That's okay. That's more than I expected. Anybody?

Once, twice? Don't worry if you don't know any of this, okay? I barely know it.

So that kind of happiness is a kind of ignorant desire. Because we're in the part of the book that's talking about negative consciousness and what negative emotions it's linked to and how that works. So that's why that came up.

Okay? Question two. What are the nine mental functions that are in negative consciousness' retinue, its group?

Who does it hang out with? Nope. We did talk about distraction, though.

Yeah, Nuni's negative consciousness, what are the nine things it hangs out with? Yeah, uh-huh. All those things.

What are those? Yes? I don't think so.

Maybe. I have a doubt. Go ahead.

Not jealousy. There's five and then there's four. The five that always go with the mind and then the four negative emotions.

Does that help? Like no shame. I'll be darned.

Who? Someone know? Come on, Chloe.

You take good notes.

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Contact.

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Yes.

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Feeling.

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Yes.

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I'm not getting 100 each word.

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What's that? 100 pennies.

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I'll take it.

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Attention. Uh-huh. Turning the mind to its object.

Yeah. Like that. Okay.

That's good. Yay! Yay!

Someone paid that lady. Okay. Movement of the mind.

Attention. Feeling. Discrimination.

Contact. Ignorant desire. Misunderstanding.

Pride. That's them. Okay.

Third and final question. Why can't more mental functions be associated with negative consciousness? I didn't write the book, okay?

I just made homework.

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Something about their just detail applied to the original four?

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Yay! That's exactly right. Wow.

Yeah. Other additional mental functions would just be ones that were founded upon the four main mental afflictions and would not increase the count. Good.

Okay. Some language. What do these mean?

Gupa and gu? Yeah. Which one is nine?

Great. What's gupa? Nice.

Nice. Who said that? How do you know that?

What about gupo? Gupo was the one in the book. I put the other ones to help you all learn.

Gupo means all nine. Okay? And so in this language, if you put po at the end, it means all.

If you say pa, it becomes ordinal. If you say gupo, it becomes ordinal. It's like first, second, third, ninth.

And without either of those things, it's just a raw number. Okay. And changye?

Wrong spelling. Changye. Same exact pronunciation.

Means art of interpretation. But this spelling means. I know Nick knows.

Nick, answer. He's like what? It's not three.

You got it already. Yeah, the exact amount. Fixed number.

A fixed number. Exactly. Thank you, Nick.

And then gu was the only really new word we had. It's hard. It's impossible.

Wow, you took notes. Are you paying attention during my class? Weird.

Separately or in addition? That's it. Yay!

Here's my translation. Can you read it? Sure.

Eat the mic. Okay. More eating?

Okay. Sounds loud. Okay.

See? Here we go. There we go.

So we. As word said. There's six kinds.

Normally there's six kinds of consciousness. Like in the heart center. Eye, ear, nose, tongue, ear, mic.

In the heart center goes down your body. Eye, ear, nose, tongue, ear, mic. Switch?

Okay. And then in the mind only school. Which is a very beautiful, very deep school.

Just under the middle way school. They say no, you have to add two kinds of consciousness. Two more.

And one is very interesting. KUN ZHI, which means AA LA'I'A VIS YAN NA which means the storehouse consciousness. This is where all your karmic seeds live.

All of your karmic seeds are in a seventh consciousness. He has a long commentary on that. We finished it.

It's very complex. Very beautiful. Basically in the mind only school, when you see things outside, like color of her blouse.

Red color. Then you're actually looking at something inside your own mind. There is no outside colors.

This is mind only school. Which is why they're called mind only. Inside of a seventh consciousness, your seeds are opening and you're mistaking that for the outside world.

Then there's the nasty extra consciousness which is focused on the seventh one. And misunderstands it. His whole function, his whole life, his whole raison d'être.

Is to misunderstand the world. That's called negative consciousness. Negative consciousness watches storehouse consciousness.

Storehouse consciousness then spits out your normal senses. We're discussing negative consciousness. Some of the questions we're asking is when do you get rid of it?

Can you lobotomy? Can you take out that consciousness from a human being? What's left after that?

Then they're discussing the characteristics of this seventh. They call it consciousness number seven. Storehouse is considered number eight.

Negative consciousness is considered number seven. We're treating seven or eight parameters of that consciousness. Where is it?

When does it end? How did it start? There's seven or eight questions and we're in the middle of the end and we're talking about where does it exist?

On what level? Basically, the universe divides in Buddhism into nine levels. Desire realm, form realm, formless realm.

Then the form realm has four levels and the formless realm has four levels. So it's nine levels. We're in the desire realm.

Four form realm levels. Four formless realm levels. Where is this negative consciousness?

What level is it on? How do you decide what level it's on? And that's the question today.

That's where we reach today. So here's a word's translation. First of all, meaning if the person is at the desire realm level, is their mind always at the desire realm level?

Yes or no? When you see emptiness directly, your body is in the desire realm. Your mind is in the form realm.

For example, because it's so focused, your mind is hot. Your mind is actually in a different world at that moment. So here we say, is that negative consciousness always at the same level as the person?

Or not? Could they be at different levels? Here's the answer.

If they're at the same level, if they're always at the same level, then an individual in the desire realm who was a non-Arya would be free of desire. Why? ,'DOD PA'I SROG PA'I GCIG GIS, ,'DOD PA LA CHAGS PA LA BRAL BA NA, Yeah, he's saying, this is an objection from the other guy.

Can you live in the desire realm and be free of desire? Can you live in this world and not have desire? Yeah, and there are people who temporarily, like if your mother dies, my mom is dying this week, and then you don't think about cake when you're at her house.

So you're temporarily freed from desire. ,DANG PO LTAR NA, ,'DOD PA'I SROG PA'I GCIG GIS, ,DOD PA LA CHAGS PA LA BRAL BA NA, If the negative state of mind is always at the same level as the person, then when a person's mother is dying and they're living in the desire realm, and the last thing they can think about is desire for ice cream or something, then are you saying, ,GNYON GNYIS MIN DOD PA'I, ,DOD PA'I NYON MONGS RGYUR, then you have to be saying they could not get rid of their negative state of mind because it follows where they live. If the location of the negative state of mind is always the location of the person, then if the person's in the desire realm, then they should always have that negative state of mind. Even if they lost desire for a week, got it?

So that's an objection. The other guy's objecting. Some people can live in the desire realm and for a while, when their mom's dying, they don't have, they're not thinking about ice cream.

There are people in the desire realm who don't have desire. So are you saying they don't have a negative state of mind? Because it has to be where they live.

,SNGON GYUR GYUR LA SBYUG PA'I RGYUR RO, Then they should have a negative emotion directly inside their mind. ,SNGON GYUR means directly. What's the opposite of that?

As a potential. As a potential. So do those people whose mom is dying, and they live in the desire realm, do they have desire or not?

We say not manifest desire, but they have the seeds. Two weeks after their mom's passed away, they're going to want ice cream again. Seriously.

So we still have desire, we just have the seeds for it. We don't have the manifest desire. So that's one possibility.

Maybe the location of the negative state of mind doesn't follow the location of the person. Maybe it's on a different level. Here's a second possibility.

Please choose someone to lead, Dr. Lin. Okay, again. What's to read?

Ann, okay. Go ahead. Please.

Thank you. Nipah. Tama.

Wait, I cannot speak. Please. Okay.

This one doesn't work. So a lot more is offered just to read.

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Good. This one doesn't help.

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NYON MONGS RNAMS SKYES PA MI RGYUD ROL ZHES DAG So is it the case, NYID PA LTAR RNAMS means, okay, so if the negative consciousness doesn't follow the location of the person, then is it possible you could have a negative consciousness at a different level than the person? The person's in the desire realm, and their mind, for example, when you see emptiness directly, your mind is not in this world. Your mind's on a different level.

Your mind is in a different world. Okay, so is that possible? Could you have negative consciousness exist on a different level than the person?

And that's, the guy's gonna, SHES NA at the end means what? Question. Yeah, if you say, so these two paragraphs are an objection from the other guy.

There's problems if you say the negative state of mind is at the same level with the person, and there's problems if you say it's not at the same level as the person. Either way, there's problems. What's the problems if they're not at the same level?

YID PHYI'I KHUR DU SHES BDAG TU BSAD PA'I RIGS SU BYED PA'I If they're not at the same level, one of the functions of negative consciousness is to be attached to me. But if the me's at a different level, how's it gonna do its thing? BDE PA'I NYON MO RNAMS BSKYED PAR MI RGYUD RO Then how could that person get mental afflictions?

How could they have NYON MO? You get mental afflictions in this case because you're attached to yourself. Me.

But if me's on a different level, you can't even perceive it, then are you saying that person's an arhat? Because they can't have mental afflictions. Got it?

There's problems if you say the person's at the same level as their negative state of mind, and there's problems if you say they're not at the same level. And that's the guy saying, how do you resolve this? Who wrote the question?

Tsongkhapa. So it's a tough question. He's not interested in easy questions.

He never writes an easy question. Translating him is frustrating. He only wants to talk about hard things.

It's very frustrating. You can work on Tsongkhapa book for two, three years, and there's nothing you understand. Okay, all right, okay.

It's true. All right, next time, next time. Okay.

Someone want to read? Oh, okay, Bertha.

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Sorry. Okay, okay. Thank you.

Nice. Okay. Okay.

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So Tsongkhapa wrote a poem called Difficult Points in the Mind of the School, and it is. And we have bolded the bold color, the darker color is the quotation directly from his poetry. Okay.

And it's one of the only cases where you get three vowels. DE'I'O Yeah, say DE'I'O. DE'I'O.

DE'I'O. DE'I'O. And it's often misspelled in the manuscripts, but here we correct it.

KANG DU SKYES PA DE'I'O. The negative consciousness exists at? The level?

Where that KANG, sorry, at the level, KANG DU, where that person SKYES PA. Is born. Yeah.

You want to know where's the negative consciousness located? It's at the level where the person was born. That's the answer.

That's Tsongkhapa's answer. And he says, if you answer the question this way, GCIG BSHAD PA'I KHYUN DU RGYUR BA'I PHYIR CHOG NYID PA SKAD MI NEN NO If I say they exist at the same level that they're born at, BYUNG BA DANG GCIG BSHAD PA'I KHYUN DU RGYUR BA'I PHYIR you get this problem that you were talking about. CHOG NYID PA SKAD MI NEN NO I cannot accept the second idea.

Okay? I cannot accept the second option above. Second option above was if they're not at the same level as the, if the negative, if you say the negative consciousness is not at the same level as the person, I can't agree with that because the root text says the same one where they were born.

Okay? It must be at the same level, okay? Or you're going to have the second problem.

Okay? Again. Yeah.

Jason Coppola's poem, is he quoting Master Vasavada in the poem? Because I think it's in both. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Better? Good. That's it, Ken.

Your turn. I'm a little suspicion of the NYID PA here. Isn't it the second point?

I was thinking it should be like- I think it's NYID PO. It should be both, right? I think it's NYID PO.

That's what I thought. But then it said NYID PA, but it seemed like it should be both of these are wrong. Can you mark it?

And then we got to check. Yeah. This is not the text text.

Yeah. Because Tsongkhapa's typical answer would be, I don't accept either option. Everything's wrong.

Okay. Yeah. So if someone miscarved it, then we're in trouble.

So we're going to- Your copy, Ken. That's on there. Yeah.

You got my computer? Yep. Okay.

Switch. Let's switch. Go ahead.

Shit, shit. Mukherjee. Okay.

Right, oh yeah. Okay, I'm not going to go through that. Okay.

Yeah? Yeah, we'll just- Okay. Okay.

Do you want to choose someone to read and- Sure. Stanley. You want to do the cursive?

Yeah. Tsongkhapa means- Versailles, the first point? The first possibility.

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Yeah, the first position.

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Which was that they are at the same, what was it? On the same level, right? Yeah.

Yeah, if you say that the negative consciousness is on the same level as the person, okay? So chok dangpo means first option. If you follow the first option- So maybe just the first option.

Khen jipa mayin, it could be, yeah. Then isn't there a problem? Wouldn't there be a problem?

And Tsongkhapa answers, who's going to read that? Stanley didn't do much. Yes, Stanley.

As usual. Come on, get to work. Just kidding.

Mepa mepe dupe sokip dupa la chappa tang chowse pani sowo chirp chikpa la chappa tang chowa tang shi ne ki lang tokpa i mite dumpa. Wa. Dungwa dungwa mepa tang duk yu nga la chappa nyong ne wa.

Nyong gyurwa. Nyong nyur? Mm-hmm, nyong gyurwa.

Nyong gyurwa gyurwa dungwa chappa mepe na. Nice. Yeah, good.

So here's the problem. Mm-hmm. Is the negative consciousness always at the same level as the person?

And if you say yes, then let's take a person who's born into the desire realm. Are you saying that they always have a negative consciousness at the same level as them? And we say yes.

And then we say, are you saying there's no such thing as a person in the desire realm who drops their desire for a while, who gets rid of their desire? For example, if their mom gets very ill or something, are you saying there's no such thing? Got it?

Because nyunyi, the negative state of mind never stops. You can be born a million times, it will never stop. It follows you always.

So therefore, how could it be at the same level as the person? Is the person at the desire realm? Yes.

Do they have negative state of mind? Yes. Is that state of mind having desire?

Yes. Even when their mom dies. Okay?

That's the problem. That's the problem. Then we say NYES PA MED TE.

No problem. No problem. Okay.

By the way, it's a reference to a thing called chak jel. Say chak jel. Chak jel.

Jel means devoid of? Yeah, you don't have chakpa. You don't have desire.

There is such a thing as a person in the desire realm who doesn't have desire. And we gave an example. A person who's having strong renunciation for a week.

They don't think about ice cream. So NYES PA MED TE. SDOD PA'I SROG BSKYED So if we restrict our discussion to SROG BSKYED.

Not Aryas. Yeah, non-Aryas. So forget Aryas.

I'm not talking about Aryas. They're special. But SDOD PA'I SROG BSKYED If you're talking about normal people in the desire realm, SDOD PA LA CHAGS PA DANG BRAL BRAL BRAL Chak jel.

It is possible for those people to, at times, lack desire.

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They dropped desire. Okay. What level are they at?

Desire. Born into the desire realm. Do they have desire?

Not this week. Okay. Not manifest desire.

They never got rid of their subconscious desire. And it comes back with a vengeance three weeks after the funeral. At the funeral.

I've seen it. There's a lot of eating. Okay.

Yeah, really. So, Joe, he says, if a person's not an Arya, they're born in the desire realm, and we say they don't have desire for a while, BYAS PA NI we're talking mainly about certain kinds of temporary desirelessnesses. And he gives three examples.

Classically, when you say CHAGS BRAL, no desire, about a person who lives in the desire realm, it's a reference to three temporary kinds of no desire. And here's the three examples. Number one, GCIG PA LA CHAGS PA DANG BRAL SO BAR SO BAR Mainly sex.

Yeah, GCIG PA is the Tibetan word for sex. And it means to embrace each other, but it's the word for sex. So there are people in the desire realm who overcome the desire for sex, which is a basic human, it's almost an inseparable part of a human being, but there are people, great saints, et cetera, who have overcome it.

But 99.999, we have it. And you might as well be honest about it. And you have to be careful with it.

So he says, number one, there is a desirelessness of people who practice for many years not to have sex. The people in the monastery that I went to, they were really celibate. And they were unbelievable.

They had great power and great kindness, great compassion. So it is possible. CHAGS SBYO It's first example.

Second example. SHI MED KYI LA'ANG THOB People who have attained a certain level of meditation? Yeah, people who are capable of deep meditation are not capable of thinking about ice cream at that time.

At that time. All right, so he says, they don't have YI MI BDE BA. They don't have a mind which can have certain kinds of happiness?

Unhappiness. Unhappiness. Yes, they're incapable of unhappiness while you're in deep meditation.

It's not possible. You can't be unhappy and be in deep meditation. It's not possible.

He's equating what with unhappiness. Desire? Desire.

He doesn't say those people in deep meditation have no desire. He says, those people in deep meditation are free of unhappiness. And the implication is, desire is a kind of unhappiness.

Got it? They don't have unhappiness, therefore they don't have desire. Attraction or desire for food and sex.

These are the two examples. Okay? So there's two examples.

The second guy is in deep meditation. The first guy has practiced celibacy for many years and is good at it. And by the way, it takes time.

It takes 10, 15 years to get good at it. And the third one, ,GDU YON NGA LA CHAGS PA SNGON GYIR BA RGYUD DUR BA NI, They don't have, their RGYUD is not DUR BA. Yeah, their mind is not tortured.

By CHAGS PA to the GDU YON NGA. Oh, by desire towards the five sense objects. Yeah, some people, like Anatole drives me crazy.

He just doesn't seem to have desire for food. And it's really irritates me. I have to fight it every day.

And he's like, no, I don't want that. I'll have a cucumber. And so there are people like that.

Okay, so he gives us three examples. I'll tell you a funny story. I was sitting with him at the pool in Chalapa.

And he was there with Aisha and Kiri was there. And I said, can I give Kiri a donut? Because they never give him a donut, ever.

And I gave Kiri a donut and he went into a tantrum. I've never seen him. He got angry and upset and running around.

So if you never eat that stuff, ever, if your parents don't eat it, they don't have it in the house. And then you give it to them. And then people come to me and they say, I'm having trouble with my kid.

And I'm like, how many cookies do you give him every day? Like six. Okay, duh.

Anyway, okay. KA PHYIR BDE'I KYIS CHAGS DANG Who's going to read it? You?

No. I don't know if I did that. Rivas.

Yeah, thanks. Gracias. KA PHYIR BDE'I KYIS CHAGS DANG YIN GANG ZHIG SANGS PHAG PA YIN GYIS MYONGS KYI GDIN GYIS BDAG TA LHANG KHYAD DANG TSUNG LDAN YIN PAS RI RGYEN PO'I THU GDOG PA LA ZAG MED GYIS MED KYIS ZHES RAB KHYAD DGUG PA YIN PAS PHYIR RO Nice.

Nice. Nice. Awesome.

This is maybe a new word for some of you people. PHYIR BDE'I means focused on the outside. Okay.

It's an unusual use of PHYIR. Focused on the outside. I would not have put instrumental here.

It doesn't make any sense. So, KA PHYIR BDE'I KYIS CHAGS DANG Both desire and rage. Yeah.

Desire and hatred. RGA ZHIG Sometimes? Yeah.

Some cases. Some. Only.

Only are eliminated. Yeah, those three cases you gave me of desire realm people who don't have desire, those are free of desire temporarily. And only desire which is focused to outside.

Which means there's another desire which is focused inside. Deeply connected with not understanding the pen. And the desire you talked about, sex, food, et cetera, those are outer focused and they are easy to overcome.

But the inside one, where you strongly attach to believing that people come from their side, which is what allows you to come to Geshe-la to complain about your husband or wife. Yeah. Drives me nuts.

Then, got it? That's a different desire. Do you think, by the way, that people in the desire realm could get rid of that desire?

The desire to believe that the person is not coming from me. That desire is almost impossible to overcome. You can sit in class, you can hear the pen 500 times, and then you get upset on the way out of class because someone moved your shoe.

And the teacher just taught you the pen for like three hours. And so that kind of desire, the desire to believe that things are how you thought they are, that desire, you can't get rid of it in the desire realm, easily. That's the whole different level.

So he says, GANG PHYIR BDE GYI BYAGS DANG, outside desire, ice cream, sex, stuff like that. Yeah, you can do that. You could do that.

YIN GYIS. But BDAG LTAR, BDAG LTAL BA. But that view, that self-existent view of yourself.

Yeah, or to believe that the person around you is not coming from you. BDAG LTAL. Believe in the self-nature of that person.

They are coming from their side, not me. BDAG LTAL. LHAN GYIS.

It's inborn, it's innate. You were born with that. What's the proof?

Babies cry. You're here. God damn it, you're here.

What's the proof you were born with ignorance? You're here. People come up to me, I don't have ignorance.

I say, you're here. People don't get born here if you don't have that. SA BDAG TSUNGS DANG YIN PAS.

That kind, DBYIN YANG PO THUD RDOG PA LA. The only two which can RDOG PA it. The only mystical power that can end it or stop it.

SAKS MED KYI SHES RIM. Is a type of wisdom which is immaculate, unstained. Yeah, which comes from countless hours of listening to Mixed Nuts classes.

And I'm not kidding. Okay, there's no other way. That's the beginning.

That's just the beginning. If you never start the beginning, you can forget the rest. I don't understand anything in class.

Why the hell go to a class if you understand everything? Yeah, okay. You don't keep going back to first grade after first grade.

You go to second grade. Because you don't understand that. And so it freaks me out.

People are like, I didn't understand anything in the translation class. I said, that means it's the right class for you. Okay, all right.

If you understand anything, get out. I'm in the right place. Now, we're discussing the features or the qualities of this negative consciousness because we're trying to understand it better.

Now we understand something about where it can exist. It will follow you into the desire realm. And even if you temporarily get rid of your desire, you did not get rid of your NGON YID.

It's at the same level as you, basically. Now, when do you get rid of it? SBYUNG RDOG means, SBYUNG RDOG means when does it turn on?

And when does it turn off? SBYUG means in operation. RDOG means out of operation.

SBYUNG RDOG means in and out of operation. We're going to look at what? The sixth quality of, I think it's sixth quality.

By my account, it's the sixth kind of quality of this negative state of mind that we are discussing. The last, fifth one was, where is it located? Does it have to be in the same place where you are?

By the way, your meditation rarely is. You're in the desire realm. Your meditation is supposed to be in the form realm.

Because you cannot meditate if you're thinking about sex and food actively. Subactively, it's okay. Okay, DE LTA PA'I YID DE Okay, now we want to discuss when does it turn on and when does it turn off?

Do you ever turn it off? Is it possible to turn off? Here's some kapas first.

We're going to skip the verse, which is too hard. And we're just going to choose somebody to read. Okay.

Marina.

[Говорящий 2]
DGA BRAS DGA BA'I SDUG DANG DGAR SDUG DANG SDUG PA'I SDUG GNYIS TSOR Whenever you mispronounce a word, she freaks out.

[Говорящий 1]
It's okay, honey, they're learning. My teacher used to do that. So NGES SKABS means?

Temporarily? NGES SKABS means occasion. On an occasion, NGES SKABS.

REN DGA BA That's like some, right? It means, yeah, on and off, on and off. How often is your negative state of mind in operation?

Like, does it operate 24 hours a day? Does it relax for a while? Does it come back?

And he says, there is such a thing as SDUG PA, stopping your negative state of mind on occasion. Sometimes, okay? It is possible to shut down your negative state of mind on occasion.

And it's also possible to shut it down tattoo.

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Ultimately, forever.

[Говорящий 1]
Forever, okay? So we're going to discuss ways to shut it down for a while. Which is how we start.

And then we're going to discuss ways to shut it down forever. Okay, cool. Who's going to read?

I don't know. Just pronounce it right. Who wants to read?

Oh, Mike Hoffman. Wait, I heard, Mike's my student. I heard his accent.

I was like, is this dude from Philly or what? He is. Philly, right?

[Говорящий 2]
Philadelphia.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah, exactly. South Philly.

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Okay.

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Okay.

[Говорящий 2]
Okay.

[Говорящий 1]
Nice. Nice. Nice.

Yay. I don't know how you guys do that, but it's amazing. Okay.

So now the first topic was we're talking about shutdown temporarily. Yeah. And he says at Sakyapar.

The eighth level. At the eighth bodhisattva level. Okay.

Which is very, very high. Okay. When you see emptiness directly, you're on which bodhisattva level?

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One.

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First one. Okay. So to get to the first bodhisattva level, you have to be an Arya.

Now he's talking eighth. Eighth bodhisattva level. And if you have not yet achieved the fifth path.

Becoming a Buddha? Or Nirvana. Yeah.

If you're at Miloblam. If you're not at Miloblam. Miloblam means the place where you are finished.

No more classes. In your career. Then you have to start teaching.

Miloblam la. Matopi do. If you're a person's eighth level bodhisattva, very high, they do go into a gopa.

A cessation. Cessation of all their negativities. But it's not permanent.

Yeah. Tenth level permanent. Subtle.

If you're curious what they still have, it's a very weird thing called neng ngen len? Yeah. Neng ngen len.

Just like they walk slightly crooked or something. Okay. I don't know.

Anyway. Shukpe say. Or papanam, who are in yamsha.

Arya is wild there and they're meditating on emptiness. Yeah. Because when an Arya is meditating on emptiness directly, it normally lasts about 20 minutes.

20 minutes. Because the karma is too, too, too expensive. Too expensive.

Okay. And you burn it. And you might not see emptiness again for 20 years or something.

It's extremely difficult to get there. And you burn the karma in 20 minutes. Okay.

Then you got to start over again. Okay. You remember, but you can't do it.

Papanam yamsha, he do so. So therefore, doesn't Arya in the direct perception of emptiness have negative state of mind or not? No, no state of mind.

They don't have it. But does it last? No.

No. And that's the second example of a temporary absence of the negative state of mind. Now, he was going to talk about permanent absence.

And that would be interesting. Here we go. Yay.

Who's next? Tina.

[Говорящий 2]
Nice.

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Thank you.

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Nyi pa nyi wang toppe jang chup sempa sakyepa yang che dang nyen rang trajungpa nam sok.

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Nice. Nice. Nice.

Perfect. Perfect. By the way, we're going 10 minutes over.

I don't care. If you have to pee-pee, just do it there.

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Okay.

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That's what she showed me there. Yeah, we got extra diapers. Okay.

Then there's a special eighth level bodhisattva called wang toppa. Say wang toppa. Wang toppa.

So, they're called who have achieved power. Who have achieved power. And those guys, and on up, level nine, level 10, 11, if you count that, they have a, what kind of nyunyi?

They have one that's been cut? Yeah, permanently disabled. Permanently turned off.

Yeah. Okay. It will not come back.

Okay. If it's a new arya, his or her nyunyi will come back as soon as they come out of their emptiness perception. But if you reach eighth level and you're called power, powerful bodhisattva, power wang toppa, special kind of bodhisattva, they don't have it anymore.

Also, drachomas don't have it anymore. Arhats. Yeah.

And they could even be nyantas and lang yul. Listeners or self-made Buddhas? Which means non-bodhisattva arhats.

You can reach nirvana without reaching bodhicitta. It is possible. You can eliminate your personal negative emotions forever without caring about other people very much.

It's possible. Like physicist or somebody like that, who really understands physics, without caring, even willing to test a nuclear weapon, not knowing if it would light the atmosphere on fire, which is about 50 miles east of here, where they did it. They still have great insight into emptiness.

They understand some things. So he says those people don't have negative state of mind anymore, but they're not Buddha yet. All right.

Here we go. Okay. Yay, Ken.

Now we're into overtime.

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DE LTAR YANG TSUNG CHUG PA LENG DRA CHUNG MED NGOS PA'I NYONG BAR GYUR NA MED GCIG RTEN DE PA'I LAM NA MED DI NOR GYUR PA NI PHA'O Nice.

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Thank you. Okay. DE LTAR YANG TSUNG CHUG PA LENG He quotes TSUNG CHUG PA, which is?

The Thirty by Master Vasubandhu. The Thirty Verses by Vasubandhu. Very short, definitive, classic mind-only book.

And it says, DRA CHUNG MED NYON YID DRA CHUNG LA MED Yeah. Arhats don't have a negative consciousness. Arhats don't have it.

BUG GOGS PA'I NYONG ZHUGS don't have it. People who are in a cessation meditation. Yeah, deep meditation on cessation.

They don't have it. GCIG RTEN DE PA'I LAM don't have it. People who are on a path which is beyond the regular world.

They don't have it. That's GYUR PA NI PHA. That is both.

This is nasty, nasty, okay? I figured it out this morning, so I have to brag about it. There's three GYUR PAs in the Tsongchupa.

There's three states of mind in the Tsongchupa, and they're called GYUR PA, which means condition. So that's condition number two. And if you're interested, I went and got it for you.

Here's DINI GYUR PA NI PHA. I did pronounce it correctly. Okay.

So he goes through the three GYUR PAs, and they're here. How'd you figure it out? I figured it out by necessity, because I'm teaching you, and you always know everything.

Okay. DINI GYUR PA NI PHA. GYUR PA DE YANG RNAMS SUM DE There are three GYUR PAs.

That's the root text. And here's the three, if you're interested, since you asked. You want to have somebody read it?

Sure. Boo-boo. Boo-boo.

She's like, ah! Andreana, you want to read it again? NAM PAR MI DANG, NGAR SAM DANG, YU LA NAM PAR RIG PA O.

Good. Yay! Yeah.

Again. So it's a state of mind which is a maturation, a state of mind which is holding on to me, and a state of mind which is focusing on objects. Can you guess what these are divisions of?

This is divisions of how the GNYON NI? More. The second one is GNYON NI.

NGAR SAM is second GNYON NI. Oh, NAM PAR MI DANG, is it KUN ZHI? Is it GNYON NI?

Yeah. NAM PAR MI DANG is KUN ZHI. NGAR SAM is GNYON NI.

YU LA NAM PAR RIG PA? Is the regular mind. Six.

Yeah. So this is a summary of the eight in three variations. Wow.

He calls it variation one, variation two, variation three. Totally weird. Totally incomprehensible.

So he says that's variation number two. What's variation number two? DIN NI RGYUR PA NI PO.

That finishes my summary of when people do not ultimately have a GNYON NI anymore. Bigger. At all?

RGYUR PA is GNYON NI itself. They have gotten rid of the GNYON NI altogether? No, it's NGAR SAM.

The second state of the mind-only school, what's called second state, is GNYON NI. Got it? Okay.

Second state is GNYON NI. So that verse says, blah, blah, blah, blah. That finishes my presentation of GNYON NI.

Oh, really? Yeah. And now I'll go on to something else.

He's quoting Vasubandhu. Vasubandhu said, telling you the location of negative consciousness and telling you when you can shut it down temporarily and permanently concludes my discussion of negative consciousness. We're hoping that Tsongkhapa's following it.

Yeah. Okay. But he might have something more difficult after that.

That concludes the second state. That's all. Okay, here we go.

Yeah, that's what you pay me for. All right, who's next? I don't know.

Who wants to read? What are you pointing at? I don't know.

There's all kinds of pointing. Whoever wants to stand up. Okay, go ahead.

Follow the bouncing ball.

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Thank you. Hello.

[Говорящий 1]
Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Tang tu, ta pa tang.

[Говорящий 1]
Tawa?

[Говорящий 2]
Tawa tang. Tak la, cha pa tang. Now, nyam pay na, ya tang.

Good. Marik pa, su pa tang pa te.

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Okay.

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Yay! Thank you.

[Говорящий 1]
By the way, the mind only school is supposed to be quote, wrong. But Tsongkapa says, if you really understand it, you can master Tantra. So it's not a waste of time.

There's something very beautiful about it, something very important about it. And a big thing is, if all the people who irritate you are actually inside your mind, would things change? Would you change?

If I say they're not a parent, they're not coming from you, they are you, they're in you, you're looking at yourself, then probably your practice would improve a little bit. I don't know.

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Okay.

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KUN LAS LTOS SU YANG The Samuchaya also says. Yeah, who wrote that? Stanley.

Abhidharma Samuchaya. We're going to study that on Saturday. That's Stanley's text, found in the Tenhong caves in the Gobi Desert.

So KUN LAS LTOS SU YANG YI GANG ZHES NA What, what, you may ask, oh yeah, thanks, good. Okay. You may ask, what about the negative consciousness?

Yeah, now these guys, because they're mind only, by the way, we have three more minutes, hang in there. Because we're in the mind only school, they don't keep saying negative consciousness, negative consciousness, negative, they just say consciousness, which is very frustrating because we don't know which one they're talking about. Okay.

Sometimes they're talking about negative consciousness. Here they're talking about negative consciousness. YI GANG ZHES NA Yeah, what about that negative consciousness?

What is that? Okay. Well, GANG is whatever DU LTAG DU.

Whatever keeps happening, yeah. Whatever happens in time, whatever keeps happening. It never takes a break.

It never takes a break. LOM SEMS It's diluted. Yeah, it's crazy.

It's insane. It's a part of your mind, which is insane. When you look at other people and say, I don't like them, you're not just stupid, you're insane.

Okay? That'd make a good song. Ben Gibson, you're not just stupid, you're insane.

Okay. Yeah, so LOM SEMS and BDAG NYID. BDAG NYID means here, it just means it's an entity, which is totally diluted.

It is MIG PA at KUN SHING NAM PAR SHES PA. It focuses on the foundation consciousness? Yeah, it focuses on, I like to call it the refrigerator.

It focuses on a part of your mind where all your karmic seeds are stored. So there's the part of your mind that holds all your karma seeds. And there's this negative state of mind that is looking at that state of mind.

And it's always got NYON MONGS SHI PO. It's always got four afflicted friends. Yeah, and by the way, when we started the class and we were listing negative emotions related to this state of mind, you always have to flavor them as misunderstanding.

So when you say pride, for example, you have to say, it's an attachment to me, pride. You see what I mean? It's not just normal pride.

When you list the negative emotions involved with NYON NYID, negative state of mind, they all have to have a flavor of misunderstanding who I am. Okay, it's very interesting. Okay, so here they are.

BDAG TU LTA BA Misunderstanding who I am? Yeah, I see myself as a self, doesn't come from me. Number two, BDAG LA CHAGS PA Having some desire, negative desire for myself?

Yeah, which means I believe that it's coming from its own side. You see what I mean? You can say NYON NYID has desire, but it's not normal desire.

It's a desire to believe that things are coming from their side. Okay, all of them. All those four negative emotions are flavored by misunderstanding me, okay?

Here's number three, obvious. Me. NYON NYON PA'I NYON NYON A pride that just thinks, ah, me, I'm awesome.

There is a form of pride called, I'm the king. Okay, NYON NYON PA'I NYON NYON And again, the emphasis is on me, myself, my storehouse consciousness, got it? Okay, and then the fourth one is plain old MA RIG PA Misunderstanding, ignorance.

Yeah, plain old misunderstanding. Okay, cool. Word's gonna translate the next two pieces of this quotation.

Sorry, one more long piece of this quotation, okay? Okay. Here, still the quotation, all right?

And this is supposed to be, I think, wrapping up the subject of negative consciousness. Where do we go after that if you're dying to know? Wow, there's a little bit here.

Yeah, those are the notes. Yeah, well, there's still a little bit. Yeah.

Okay. We got some time. Yeah, but that's too short for you, so I would do that in the next one, okay?

These next two. Okay, that's what you wrote. Cool.

All right, by the way, Word worked really, really, really hard to get where he's at with the language, and thank you. And I think he has proven that he can teach anyone to read the book. Wow.

Really, and I have to say, whatever he's doing, I guess he does it with a hot iron or something. It's working better than what I do. So, he's a great teacher of Tibetans.

So, if you want to learn. What is class? What is class?

It's free and it's effective. That's the main thing, okay? So, me and Geshe-la have signed some books and we're doing it as a fundraiser for the Mixed Nuts.

So, they're overpriced. Yeah. And the point is, so, Mick and Ben can feed their children.

Me as well. And please buy some, me and Geshe-la are signing them. You sign a bunch of them.

I finished. Okay. Okay, I'll sign them.

I'll write your name in there with a smiley face. Talk to Lindsay. You want to say anything, Lindsay, about it?

Yeah.

[Говорящий 2]
Yeah, just that they're really special. We have a bunch here for you all. And if you would like to purchase one, you can talk to me.

I can talk to Word or Hina. Yeah. Or Olga.

Yeah.

[Говорящий 1]
I think it's, in my opinion, it's the best translation ever done into English at the Mainoni School. And that's the first step. Okay, thank you.

Wee! All right. Thank you, Geshe-la.

All right, thank you. Okay, relax. Dinner time?

Oh, nice. Thank you, Geshe-la, Michael. Thanks, Word.

Thank you, everybody. And just a quick announcement. There's not going to be any class with Word this evening because he's going to go eat dinner.

And he's been working hard. So thanks very much. And I look forward to seeing everybody again soon at the next installment of Schmanz'Arts.

Ciao.

[Говорящий 2]
Hello and good morning. Do you hear me? Could you give me any sign if you hear me?

Wonderful. Hello, Marcus. Welcome.

We are very happy to have you here. We're going to present you because I was just reading before about your curriculum and it's so amazing. And we just want to share a little bit about you with the audience.

So first of all, welcome. Thank you for being with us. And now we share with you about Marcus.

Marcus is a musician and a music teacher from Austria near Vienna. He studied jazz, saxophone and pedagogy at the Conservatory of Vienna. And he had a scholarship at Berkeley College of Music in Boston.

As a musician and also as a composer, he has performed numerous concerts in Europe and around the world. And he works in a studio as a musician, arranger, composer, lead musician and graduate music education. Marcus, he trained as a certificate Shih Tzu practitioner and had his own practice for many years.

Marcus has been studying the health effects of sound frequencies on humans for many years. And this is my favorite part. In 2014, he started taking the 18 courses of ACI.

And in 2019, he completed three ACI teacher training. Since then he has taught for ACI teacher training in Europe and in several ACI courses in many studios group. I will slow down.

And so the wisdom of ACI has helped Marcus to change his life. And he has improved relationships and planting seeds for success in his musician career. Right now, Marcus leads an international house project Mali in Austria.

So welcome Marcus. And thank you for sharing this time. Thank you so much for introducing and good morning.

In my case, good afternoon and good night for the people who have like eight o'clock at night. I hope you are well. And I hope you have a great time at this wonderful Lumbering with Geshe-la.

And really thank you for organizing all this great possibilities to watch it from Europe because I'm now at home and I can't be in America. So it is really great to have this great opportunity to be there and watch all the great teachings. Thanks so much.

[Говорящий 1]
So for me, there is one question about the questions. There is someone here who is in charge of all the question answers, which are in the spreadsheet. Because for me, it was like there were no new questions coming up in the spreadsheet for today's Q&A.

[Говорящий 2]
So I don't know if we have any questions live or maybe you can help me because there are some questions for Geshe-la and some for Venerable Khadim and Christina. So whatever question you have from live here, from the teachings, please let me know and I try to answer as good as I can. This is okay.

So good morning.

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This is a question from one girl.

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She asked, I have a goal, a wish at the celebration of Medicine Buddha 2023 was from my mother. One becoming healthy, namely walking independently and become happy about it.

[Говорящий 1]
She broke her joint and they put her artificial, okay. She has had a disease since childhood. It began with club foot.

She walks and sticks and about 10 years ago. And I myself do not know.

[Говорящий 2]
And I myself, I have to wear my glasses. It's better. What to believe anymore?

It seems that the disease is incurable. I'm already at the end of my rope.

[Говорящий 1]
Yes. I'm sorry to hear that.

[Говорящий 2]
And yeah, you know, let me open it again. Having health issues is always can be a problem if it's really that hard seed we experience when we experience health issues. And from my experience, when we look at our, in general and then we go a little more specific to this topic.

In general, I feel when we look at our four main areas in our lives, which we would like to improve, like financial improvements, like meditation, wisdom, all these different kinds of areas in our lives. We all have some areas which are harder than others. Maybe someone has no problem with planting seeds for financial problems, but on the other hand, he has problems with relationships.

And so everyone has his topic, which is a little bit more challenging than the others. And so in such cases, when I look back in my life, I think my hardest problem was having relationships and really working on my relationship and not getting divorced and really coming to the point where I didn't know how to go further with that. It came back always to one point.

And for me, even though the world was completely out of order and I didn't know what to do, for the next step and lost my hope in all my work and all my seeds I planted, because really I tried to plant seeds, but I didn't feel that they ripened and they ripened in the right time. And they didn't show up in my life. So I was really struggling and really didn't almost believe anymore in the system.

And what it comes back is always, as Geshe-la says, we have to remember the pain, we have to think about the pain and what the pain tells us, the fact that things are coming from us, health is coming from us. And at least if you are in a challenging situation, the most important thing for me in my challenge, most challenging situations was really to remember the pain and really remember where things come from, but not that the problem always can be that it's connected to some kind of guilt in myself. I had a lot of guilt about, oh, I did bad seeds and I have to experience that.

And I have the problem which I can resolve and there can be a lot of bad emotions coming up with that. And we have to think about the fact that does this help us if we have guilt about ourselves and guilt about what we experience and what do we plant if we think about that in that way. And so mainly we have to stick and remember and go through the pain all the time and not feeling guilt what I experienced because otherwise, as Geshe-la said, I think it was in class three, when he got the question about the war that now is a kind of third war starting, we could get very hopeless about the situation.

But when we remember the pain and we do the four steps and really try to help other people to improve their life and to improve their health, really, it always comes, in my experience, down to one point and to really, really rejoice in all my good seeds. I had a lot of seeds which, and a lot of, I thought when I was rejoicing, it's, I don't have to rejoice because it's, I should do that, I should help. I don't have to rejoice because rejoice is very selfish.

This was a thought I had, but mainly we really have to rejoice in all the small things which improve, small things which improve in health, where I see in my life around development in health. And this can be, if you think about getting up in the morning and feeling healthy, we can rejoice this small good deed and dedicate it to the health of the people around you, to the health of a specific person, really to the health of maybe all the people, if you want to extend it, if you want to involve Bodhicitta, like wanting that all people around you won't experience any health issues. This is a much bigger view on this topic when you think about health is also, okay, one thing is I don't want to become unhealthy.

I don't want to have any health issues. I have people around me, but actually the bigger view on it, if you develop Bodhicitta, like wishing that everyone has no suffering anymore, then you think about, okay, I want to have that everyone outside doesn't have to suffer anymore. And this is much bigger.

And from my experience to bring it on this level, the seeds are stronger, the seeds are stronger. Yeah, I mean, we could talk about this topic long because there is a lot of things going on in this question, but for now, I would say, I don't know if this person is here in the chat, does this help a little bit with this question? Let me check in the, I want to put on gallery.

Does this help for this person who asked the question? We don't know. Marcus, I asked my friends, it's her questions, but I think it's helped.

Thank you. Thank you. That's great.

There is another question from Karuna and Marcus. Recently, mice appear in my house. I felt uncomfortable and I didn't like the dirt.

What should I do to keep my house free of mice? That's a good question. By the way, am I too fast with speaking for the translators?

Hope it is okay. Great, great. If I'm too fast, please give me a sign.

I will slow down. Yeah, it might make something like this. Okay.

So this is a good question because we had that recently. We have a retreat house here in Europe and we had it in our retreat house to have mices there who came into our lower base of the house and occupied some space there. And it went further that on the basement where I do the retreat, we had a lot of ants coming in.

I mean, it was not only one or two ants. It was like hundreds of ants are coming in. And what was interesting, it didn't appear with every person.

Not every person who did retreat there saw the ants. There's only some people experienced in their retreat. Ants are coming in and especially people who had like fear and problem with that.

So they had a really challenging retreat with that because some of them were doing a one month retreat and they had all the time ants there and were doing everything like every hole they found to put something inside to put it away, to not get them in. And there are a couple of layers for me inside that. And one layer is when you think of mice that are coming inside your house, they're occupying something, is for me to think, how did I respect other properties?

How did I respect things from other people? How did I respect things in other houses? How did I respect things who didn't belong to me?

And we also have to consider the fact that our seeds start slowly. They grow and they grow. So that might be that the cause you planted wasn't that big, but now gives you the perception of mice in the house.

So then the main thing is on the karmic level is to think about really be careful with the property of other people. In a small amount for the next weeks, for the next month, as long as you have this problem. And be aware of the other properties, be careful about that and not destroying things from others.

Not be like, if you rent an apartment and you're on vacation, be really careful that you leave it back in a very proper and nice way. Maybe better as you came there and you plant a good seed instead of that. Okay, Karuna, does this answer your question?

Is she here? She not here. She might not be here.

[Говорящий 1]
Okay, great. So the translators have, oh, they're very helpful. Thank you so much.

I'm glad that this answer gives value to your system.

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Did you plant the seeds for relationships? If so, how are you planting them and keep them going? Thank you for this answer, Markus.

Great. Yeah, that's a really nice question.

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How do you plant seeds for relationship and how do you keep them going? I think I would like to come from the back door, meaning how do you keep a relationship going?

[Говорящий 2]
If you have a good one, or if you have, at least you have one and we have always challenges with relationship and then I will come back to the part of how do you plant. I think if you have like, for me, I experienced, and this was, my teacher told it to me, Lama Peter told me when I asked him this question, because he is my role model for having planted a really amazing relationship. And I mean, for sure, he did the four steps for planting his wonderful partner, but this is only the reason to get the partnership.

It doesn't mean that you have a good partnership. And I asked him, yeah, I have a relationship. It feels sometimes good, sometimes it doesn't feel good.

How can I improve it to bring it on a new level and keep the relationship going on in a good way, in an ecstatic way, in a very respectful way, in a lovely way. And it feels like a very, with a relationship with all the qualities we want to have or we wish we would have in the relationship. And he says to me, give the relationship, it's kind of the same as I talked before about bodhicitta, giving a higher purpose, meaning give your relationship a higher purpose that could be like helping together other people, like doing volunteer work together in a small extent.

Also, you could go together in a nursing home and visit an old person, taking time with them, doing the things together and put the relationship for the value of other people in the best case is you teach Dharma together or you help each other with Dharma teachings or supporting other students or helping the other person if it does a Dharma talk. So the main thing is for me to keep the relationship going further and going on is really to bring the level of relationship to a higher purpose for all people around you, helping them. It doesn't mean that you have to teach all the time.

It would be, I think, the perfect, one of the perfect things I have my vision for, but mainly it is to bring your relationship to the point where you really be of benefit with the relationship for other beings in a small way, like you visit someone who wants to have time, who needs someone or in another way, like helping other people to study. My wife and me, we have a meditation study group we do together every month and we have other Dharma projects together where we help. So we try to be as a couple, we try to be of benefit for people.

This is the part of keeping the relationship going on. And it's also nice when you are in the Dharma business, you learn from each other. Everyone has another view on emptiness on all these different topics.

And then when you discuss it together, then you have the opportunity to learn from the other person. And this helps you also grow your knowledge. And it's also a seed you plant, helping others to get to know the Dharma deeper also helps you to understand it much better.

And I think to plant the seed for relationship is on the one hand, really to force that plan. Okay, I want to have this and that and that and that. Relationship in general.

And then I want to have this and that and that and that qualities.

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And what you do is like helping other people with relationship. Find one person helping her with relationship, getting a partner. That doesn't mean that this person really has to find a partner.

It's mainly if you're with this person is to help this person. And this plants the seed for a relationship.

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And in terms of qualities in your relationship, I think Lama Pitta had a wonderful experience. He told us when he talked about relationship, he said, when I was in the pub drinking some drink, and I saw a football match. And he was like in that time in Sweden.

And he saw Sweden playing against another team. And they like shot a goal. And they were like screaming.

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Yeah. He was like rejoicing in this ecstatic moment and said, this I want to have in my relationship. I dedicated this experience I already have and want to have in my relationship.

So that means he was always looking for the qualities outside in his surrounding and rejoicing it to dedicate it to the relationship.

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So we have two plans when you want to plant the relationship is the four step plan. And the qualities you want to have in the relationship. And the one is really helping another person.

And the other part is looking in your area. When you find someone you say, oh, I like this quality.

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I rejoice in that because I see it already.

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And I want to have this quality in my relationship.

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Okay. Helpful. Thank you, Karuna.

Yeah, please. If you have questions, raise your hands and we will listen to your question. JK.

Hello, Markus.

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Hello.

[Говорящий 1]
Thank you for being with us. It's lovely to meet you. Thank you for your beautiful answers.

Yeah, I'm curious about your question. Thank you. When you're in retreat and found that you're in difficult moments where you feel inadequacies and all that yuck stuff comes up.

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When you're in that retreat, how do you overcome it? What are the things that you've done to move forward from that experience so that you can find the joy again in your retreat? That's a wow.

It gives me goosebumps if you tell me this question. It's really a wonderful question. And I think there are for sure general answers for that but some of them you have to adjust for yourself and your person because everyone is different.

And for me, it was like having advices from my teachers and then experimenting with them, which what works for me and what doesn't work that well.

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But mainly when you're in retreat, generally speaking, try to get an attitude of being kind and lovely to yourself. Don't push yourself like hard. I mean, you have your schedule and you want to like do your schedule and you want to stick to the schedule.

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And when I have a schedule, I want to stick very clearly and want to go above my borders. And in some cases, it's good to stretch your mind and go in retreat and stretch yourself because you want to plant wonderful seeds if you are in retreat. But when you are coming on a point where you really feel, wow, I don't know, I want to quit.

Maybe it's like having some issues with your body, having some issues with your mind, having whatever issues. If you are in a retreat, in a longer retreat, then you think, oh my God, when does it end? And yeah, I think there are teachings about lung.

Lung is a very typical topic when you do retreats where you feel like tension in your body somewhere or you feel overwhelmed and exhausted. And this is the point now where you have to look for what is helpful for you.

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For me, it was like helpful. It depends on which level I was like low. Was it a really low, low, low day?

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Like one, I can remember on days where I feel that the plug of the power was put out and I felt like no energy the whole day. And I felt it in the morning. I remember it was like, okay, this needs attention.

I need to focus in a sense, how do I deal with that on this day? And I did adjust my schedule on it. I didn't do so much sessions.

I went out to the nature. I did some stretches. It's also good if you take oily stuff to you, like olive oil, mix in salad, a lot of olive oil.

And you also can put sesame oil on your skin. Like this is also good to ground yourself. If you feel like you are not, yeah, you need to ground, because sometimes it's like when you're in retreat, it feels like you're a lot in your, at least I experienced this in your head and your heart, but sometimes you lose the grounding, then you can do that.

So it can be good that you do yoga, do stretchings. You make a little walk. It's also important when you do like retreat that you do the borders in a way that you have space to walk.

But also it can be good to take a bath. Really take a bath, sitting in the bath, warm bath, warm water and relax. And don't push yourself too much.

That's the main thing. In general, it's good to have a kind attitude to yourself when you have the retreat, because we all want to stick to our schedules. And if we don't stick to that, then we didn't do a good retreat.

And so, yeah, adjust to the day. And for me, it's really when I do retreat, every day is different. It's like every day, it's a surprising morning.

How will the day be? And so I experienced it all the time that every day is different. And so I have to kind of adjust every day.

What do I eat? What do I feel that I have to eat? Which movements do I need?

Is it yoga? Is it nature? Do I need nature?

Is it, yeah, is it like, do I have to sleep more? Do I have to like adjust my schedule with one less session? Can I do all the sessions?

So I think there can be times where it flows really great, but when these times come, when you feel really low or have some issues, try to adjust what can help you, what can help you and what is good for this day for you.

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Does it help for you? Yes, thank you so much for your lovely answer. Great, thanks for the question.

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Yeah, who wants to ask another question? So what I want to know about you, do you do retreat in this Lam Rim right now? Can you raise your hand by showing if you do retreat in this Lam Rim session or put up a thumb up, something like that.

So I have to put the thumb down. I can't do unfortunately this time, but hoping in summer I can do one. Okay, that's a good question.

My partner has a cat allergy and I really want to have a cat. What seeds should I have?

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It's really interesting that everyone, that I get the questions which are very interesting for myself because I have a cat allergy.

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My mom was having cats and she had to put them away because I had one time a really hard allergy attack. And actually I didn't never think about the allergy topic. I mean, what I did, let's put it that way.

[Говорящий 1]
One thing is that I planted seeds for health and I really can say that I overcame allergy.

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So I don't have this problem. Let's say 95% of my life anymore. So.