Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 27

[Speaker 2]
Timothy. Hi, Nick. How are you?

Pretty good. How are you? I'm doing well.

Okay. Nick woke me up.

[Speaker 1]
That was the plan. All right. Uncle Tim, do you want to say anything about your book?

Do I want to say anything? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, there's two main things we're working on. I've really fallen in love with the biography of Asanga. I don't know why.

I'm very attracted to it. And we had just finished, in the last term, we did two classes on it instead of one.

[Speaker 2]
And we got into his whole, when he came out of retreat and he finally met Maitreya. And my favorite part of it is where we left off, is where Master Asanga is whining to Maitreya.

[Speaker 1]
He's like, where the hell have you been? He's like, I've been waiting for you. I've been waiting for you.

And Maitreya is like, well, if you just don't have the seeds, it doesn't really matter. I can't send the rain of the Dharma down. You don't have the seeds yet.

And it's really a beautiful description of, once you have the seeds of compassion, then your seeds of wisdom can ripen. For me, it just seemed like a really cool, it's a really cool idea. And then on the other side, where we left off in the debate about an innovator, our Khachig is trying to, it's basically trying to prove to us, it's trying to say there's more than two innovators.

And he's they are trying to give us all these different people who could be innovators. But then we're getting closer and closer to the definition of what is an innovator in our wrong look. Yeah, good.

Okay, cool. And again, Tim's book is quite long, it would take over 50 years to finish it. It's eight books, actually, in the Tibetan.

And it's all a commentary to a poem written by Maitreya, written by the next Buddha to come in this world, and given to a sangha to share with us. He's the half-brother of Stanley's author, Vasubandhu. They have the same mother.

These two sages are responsible for a lot of the Geshe course. Just two people are responsible for... In the monastery, you will spend 14 years studying their books.

These two guys are amazing. Okay, so let's go to the Tim's book. Okay, this thing is irritating to me.

How do I get rid of this thing? Okay, all right. Here's a progress report for Tim's book.

The person who wrote his book wrote, if you translate it in English, this teacher named Kedrup Denpa Dargye, he wrote 20,000 pages of very deep books. Those are the textbooks for our monastery, Seramay Monastery. Those are the textbooks that we use in the Geshe program.

If you translate it into English, his total output is about 20,000 pages, and it's unbelievable. We just finished Sugeng's book. We just finished the final translations, and there's amazing biography.

We worked very hard on his biography. There is no biography of this person that you can easily find. Somebody from one of my teachers tried to write a biography, but it's not very detailed.

Because of John Brady's work, we were able to put together a good biography of him. It's very beautiful, and it's very interesting. There's a mystery in his life.

We don't know who was his teacher. It's a mystery who was his teacher. He wrote 20,000 pages of beautiful, beautiful wisdom, and we don't have any clear information about his own teacher, which is something very strange.

In Sugeng's book, which will be coming out soon, we talk about that mystery, and we have very interesting ideas about that mystery. You have to get Sugeng's book if you want to know about it. Let's see.

I think we can finish Tim's first book in about two years, which is not bad. His book will be divided into, how many? I think 12 books, something.

Eight books. No, it's eight chapters, but I think one of them is split into two parts. I think one of them is split into three.

Anyway, it's going to be like, here we go, it's going to be 12 books or something. Let's not talk about it. It's depressing.

As Tim mentioned, we've been reading the biography of Asanga. Let me see here. Hang on.

Come on. You put a space between term and 20, it'll pop up. I just can't see it because I got the...

Oh, you got the thing, yeah. Okay, here we go. Let me get this back here.

All right. Does this look familiar to you, Tim? Yes.

Okay. I'm thinking maybe a word can check your pronunciation. Okay.

Hi, Emily.

[Speaker 2]
Say hi.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, he's asleep. Okay, okay. Hi, Tim.

Yeah, good. Okay. All right.

What's a dulja, Tim?

[Speaker 2]
A student.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, a student. Dindu, for the sake of the student, he took the BED DIN. The hidden meaning.

The hidden meaning of the precious books on the perfection of wisdom. And he took out the NGON RTOGS. LAM GYI RIM PA.

Yeah. The path to direct realizations. Yeah, the stages of the path to liberation.

Yeah. SANG BA means DIN NO. Kind of like because?

This one means in its entirety. Oh, it's in its entirety, I see. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. And he wrote a DENG PHYIR. Classical commentary?

Yeah, explaining all of the secret points of the Bodo-Balameda, of the perfection of wisdom. And he asked Maitreya, could you just give us some books about the perfection of wisdom? The most deep meaning of the perfection of wisdom.

And then Jetsen Jampa.

[Speaker 2]
Well, Lord Maitreya.

[Speaker 1]
Lord Maitreya, Gunpo, that protector. He took the BED DIN of the Prajnaparamita. He took the hidden meaning of the perfection of wisdom.

And he wrote the RGON RTOGS BSKYED. The Jewel of Realization. Yeah, and again, it's only like 75 pages.

And we spent 12 years on it in the monastery. And it takes 45 minutes to recite it. And it's unbelievable.

I'm confused here. So Master Asanga wrote a commentary, and then he asked... No, he requested.

He requested that he write a commentary. Okay, I see. So he requested him to do that, and then he did it.

I see. Yeah, yeah. And not only he wrote one, he wrote five.

He wrote five, right. Okay. So he wrote RGON RTOGS BSKYED.

[Speaker 2]
Right, the book that we're reading right now.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and it's a little delicate why it's called a DENG PHYIR. Why is that? Why isn't it called a DOL?

Because Arya Sangha wrote what Lord Maitreya said. You could say that. Yes, maybe.

I don't know. I mean, there's a big debate about Maitreya. He's not a Buddha yet, supposed to be.

I don't know. He's waiting in... What is it?

Tushita Heaven to become a Buddha or something. Okay, anyway, we can debate it. So he wrote the...

So that might be worthy of a short footnote. Yeah, he wrote the Abhisamalankara. And then he wrote the DOD DE RGYEN, which is Sutra...

The Jewel of the Sutras? Yeah, Sutra Alankara. And then what's this mean, you guys?

JE RNAM NI It's like the two books of Maitreya, right? The two discriminators. The two discriminating books.

Yeah, the two dividers. And these are two books which include the word JE in them, in the title. So two of the five great books of Maitreya are Vibhanga dividers.

What are they? U THAG RNAM JE Separating the middle from the extreme. Yeah, Madhyanta Vibhanga.

What's the other JE? CHOS DANG CHOS NI Yeah, CHOS DANG CHOS MIN Separating what is from the essence of dharma. Yeah, distinguishing between things and their emptiness, really.

And then what was the fifth book called? Gyalama, the Uttaratantra. And whenever you say that title, immediately you should say...

It doesn't mean diamond way. It's not a tantra. It's called Uttaratantra, but it's not a tantra.

In this case, tantra just means flow or something like that. Higher flow or something like that. All right, this Lama doesn't mean teacher.

This Lama means higher. CHOS NA means what? Literally the five dharmas, but it's the five books.

Yeah, the five books of... Sometimes they're called JAM CHOS DENG NA, the five books of Maitreya. Here's a nice fun part.

Word, can you keep with it with Tim? It's good to have you back, by the way, Tim. It's kind of weird when you're not here for a whole month.

And congratulations on finishing your retreat. It's a good retreat. Yeah, it was a battlefield.

That was a good retreat. Most retreats are battlefields. Okay.

JI MA'I RGYAS TE GSOD LAS Nice. Okay, good. What's BHAG PA THOG MED?

Arya Sangha. Well, now he's an Arya? Yeah, well, he's gonna be soon.

Well, I just wondered, does that imply that... Anyway, okay, so at some point he became a Thogme. Yeah, it's probably in his biography somewhere.

GANG LDAN here means... Tushita Heaven, right? Yeah, it doesn't mean GANG LDAN Monastery.

YUN TSE means the period. The length of the time. So TSE means length.

YUN means time. So YUN TSE means how long did a Sangha hang out in Tushita Paradise to get these five books from Maitreya? How long did it take?

Don't forget that CHOG SKAD means a single morning. In the LHAG realm, among the devas, equals LHOG LHAG CHUG. 50 years.

50 years among humans. If you're a Sangha and you go to listen to a book from Maitreya for a morning in Maitreya's home, by the time you get back, it's 50 years later and all your friends are gone. So, the CHOG SKAD GCIG LA, in a single morning, LHOG LHAG CHUG, 50 years among humans.

You have to say MI LHOG means among humans. MI LHOG LHAG CHUG. JI LTA'ONG How could that be?

How could that be? How could that come? NYAM DU means you might have this DOG PA.

What's DOG PA you guys?

[Speaker 2]
Suspicion.

[Speaker 1]
DOG PA means that, or doubt. I don't see how he could spend 50 years there if it was just one morning. DOG PA means you kind of doubt it.

And then our author says, DOG PA MI BYA, DOG PA MI BYA. Don't. Yeah.

Don't doubt it. Don't have this doubt. Because we can refer to Stanley's book.

[Speaker 2]
And Stanley's book says, I doubt.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Okay, Tim, let's read from Abhidharma. And try to do it in a meter.

You know, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump. MI NAM GYI LHOG LHAG CHUG LA Good. LHAG GYI LAM NA LAS OG MA NAM GYI NIN TSHAGS GCIG Good.

KHONG MA NI GYUR RO NI GYUR, a little bit of Punese, NI GYUR RO. NI GYUR RO Okay, good. So among me.

Among the humans. LHOG LHAG CHUG Among the humans, we're experiencing 50 years or something like that. Yeah.

And then among the LHAGS of the DOD PA, DOD KHAM Of the desire realm? Yeah, among the deities or the pleasure beings of the desire realm. And we're talking the lower ones, OG MA.

The lowest pleasure beings of the desire realm. For them, that's NIN TSHAGS GCIG. That's, for them, it's just a single morning.

Yeah, a single... NIN TSHAGS usually means a day, but that's okay. And then this GYUR means to multiply.

So what do you think it means when they say NI GYUR? Like the number NI. Well, you multiply it by two?

Yeah, as you go up through the deity realms. Oh, I see. Okay, that's cool.

So I don't know, in the next realm, it's 100 years. In the next realm, it's 200 years, like that. Okay.

So in the lowest realm, you get 50 years in one morning. Okay. All right.

So GUNDAN is the lowest? Well, no, that's another debate. Is that second NI, another...

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
KOMA NYIGA means in the two higher realms of the form and formless realm. And then the second NI is used with multiplication and it means double. So it's purposeful that it doesn't have the suffix?

[Speaker 2]
Exactly.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good point. Good point. Okay.

Nick, since you're so interested, why don't you check Tim on the next... Okay. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Gyaltsen Rishi, this is probably...

Sorry. Gyaltsen Rishi is these four great kings like Vaisravana who live on top of Mount Meru, which is where the desire realm class live. Okay.

So it's a way of saying low, low, low, low worldly gods. The lowest worldly gods are the ones at the top of Mount Meru in the human realm. And that's still desire realm.

And then above them is the form realm and above them or everywhere is the formless realm. So if you talk about the lowest devas, okay, for one of their days you get ngab chu years of a human. You get 50 years in a human.

Yeah. And then if you go higher, koma nam means in the form and the formless realm, devas, nyingyur, nyingyur, double. So if you're going to talk about the heaven of the 33, which is, I guess it's a form realm level, but I thought it was a desire realm level.

Anyway, in one 24-hour period there, you're going to get gya milos. In a hundred years. Yeah, a hundred human years.

Yeah. Okay, good. All right.

Who's going to read? Adam, are you there? We got...

He might have his microphone off. Yeah, I'm here again. Okay.

Can you check Tim on this next paragraph? Be picky. tab traway shak chik la minlo nyi gya, ganden pay shak chik la minlo shi gya.

That doesn't make any sense, Geshe-la. Why? It doesn't make sense?

It just says that's 400 years in Ganden, but he's in Ganden, but he said 50 years earlier. We're getting there. Okay.

All right. Okay. shak chik la minlo shi gya ongway, ganden gyi le na droy, shak chik la minlo na chu ne parung no.

[Speaker 2]
No?

[Speaker 1]
Good. Okay, good. Thugdeo is the next deity level up, the next deva realm up.

It's called Thugdeo because they don't fight anymore, the way the desire realm devas do. Okay, so one 24-hour period in the next higher deva samsara realm is 200 human years. And then when you get to the worldly Ganden, okay, so there's a worldly Ganden and there's a transcendent Ganden.

Okay, there's like a samsara Tushita and there's another Tushita. And we're supposed to know that just because we're going through the levels? Well, you're going to get it in the third chapter of Stanley's book when he's 50 years old or something.

Okay, great.

[Speaker 2]
Stanley, please stay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so Ganden by shak chik la in a single 24-hour period in Ganden, and it could be the enlightened paradise, I guess, if my tray is there, if it's 400 years there, okay? Then he says, in that case, the morning watch. We call the morning watch.

Ngatro means the morning watch. It means the period of the day which is morning. Then that would be Ngatro for human.

Oh, I see. Okay, got it. And divide the day into four watches or something, okay?

Right, so dividing. So he's only there for half the morning. He was only there for 25% of a day.

And a whole day, if he'd been there for a whole day, it would have been... I'm sorry, you're right. It's eight watches through a day, I guess.

Four for the night and four for the day. And divide 400 by eight. Then he was there for one morning, so that's 50 years.

So divide the daytime into four watches and divide the nighttime into four watches. If he had stayed there one night and day, he would have been 400 years. And since he only stayed for a morning watch, he was there for 50 years.

They just had breakfast together, okay. Yeah, they were having a breakfast meeting and he got the five books. All right, so our author says, don't think this is an exaggeration.

This is backed up by the Abhidharma. Okay, Venerable Utpala, are you ready? Yes, I am.

Thank you for working so, so, so, so, so hard on editing books. I don't know when you sleep, but I'm glad you don't sleep. Okay.

Utpala, I'll join you at the 50-year breakfast at Peachtree. All right. Make sure we have some cinnamon rolls.

Yes. They were delicious yesterday, Geshe-la. Yeah, we're getting it down.

Luckily, they need someone to test them the day before. Okay. It's an exception, nab sa, nab sa.

Nab sa. Yeah, that's an exception. That's cool.

nab sa la juk de, dey sung trul kyi jungpa yin yang. Yeah, good. Your pronunciation is quite good and I appreciate that you're working on it, and I really appreciate it.

Okay, so bhagpa thogme is what? Arya Sangha. Yeah, tsim is a word that you will see in the Abhidharma, and it means to be satisfied, like you had enough waffles and you're ready to stop.

He had enough, with the dutsi, we'll just consider that the cinnamon rolls. He had enough of the cinnamon rolls. Yeah, of the chuh.

Of the dharma. Yeah, he had enough of the nectar of the dharma. He got filled up.

He got filled up with the five books. So, kind of satiated in a way. Yeah, and then he thought I should jungpa.

I'm going to the end of the second line. I should jungpa. This chuh means, in order to, balwa.

To spread the tea. In order to spread these cool five books, I think I'll go back to zambaling. I'll go back to the earth.

Yeah, and I will spread the Buddhist teaching there. Okay, so now he says a funny sentence. He says, ngar, when he went yar to ganden.

Yeah, when he went up to ganden, he had to grab onto, chuh means grab onto. Grab onto the clothes of Maitreya. Yeah, he had to grab onto the end of Maitreya's robe.

We're lucky it didn't come off, right? And he got to Sita through dzutra. By a miracle.

Yeah, so some kind of magic or something. Okay, jungpa is the high honorific for drowa. Okay, so here you go.

Now, if they say yang, what do you think is coming next? Anticipatory translation. But he didn't have to grab onto his clothes to come home or something like that.

Good. On the way down, he didn't have to do that. Great.

So you just have to fit the words to you, what you know it has to say. Okay, here we go. So please read.

Adam, take him one more time. Be critical. Even if he says something correct, tell him he's wrong.

Magadai is a place, right? Yeah, magadai. Yeah, ember.

Nice. Okay, good. But when he came mar to dzamboling, On his way down to, when he went back down to earth.

Yeah, he used his own dzutra. Used his own powers of miracles, I guess. Yeah, and dzun means he went.

And he landed in Magadai, which is, I forget, like East India, something like that. And it was embe nakta. Nakta means jungle.

A forest, okay, yeah. A forest. And emba means nobody was there.

It was empty. And, but there was a nyung nyung lomas there. There were some kind of students.

I don't know what nyung means. Yeah, nyung means just a few. Just a couple guys, okay.

But they were mang du tupa lomas. They were, they're many listeners, maybe? Yeah, they were very learned.

They had a lot of hours of learning. They had gone to many mixed nuts classes. Okay, so he lands in a forest with just a few students there, but they are high quality students, okay.

All right, Sugeng, are you there?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, I'm here.

[Speaker 1]
All right, good to see you. By the way, I'm going to answer your email very soon. Okay.

Very soon in human years or Tushita years? I live in Tushita, it might be 50 years for you, I don't know. Okay, here we go.

Please check, Mr. Tim. I will try my best. Oh, I'm sorry, I missed that.

And that wasn't on purpose, Sugeng, I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2]
My apologies.

[Speaker 1]
Hey, Seiji, I think that's your mom's name. Nice, okay, good. Then he taught them something, Tim, in the first line here.

What did he teach those few smart guys in the forest? He taught them Lam Rim, the Mahayana Lam Rim. Now, why would he teach them Lam Rim if he got the five books?

Because they weren't ready for the five books? This biographer is Yongzhen Yeshe Gyeltsen, I think. He's writing a biography of the masters of the Lam Rim.

And every chance he gets, he's going to stick Lam Rim in the book. So, there you go. He taught the roots of the Lam Rim, let's say, to those guys in the forest.

They all Sipa Thog. They all achieved... is this Master?

[Speaker 2]
It is Master.

[Speaker 1]
So they're in the path of preparation, right? Yeah, they reached mastery. It doesn't mean they were patient and they didn't get upset that he's teaching them.

Okay, yeah. Okay, good. And they all got...

Miracle powers. Yeah, that's true. They all got mun she.

They all got direct realizations. Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance.

Big ones, gyat chenpo. And because of that, they were nupa to make the teachings gyat che. They were able to spread the teachings wide.

Yeah, shatak means each and every one of them. It's an idiom, shatak jungway. And therefore, in future years, that part of the forest was always referred to as nukul gumba.

Like the monastery or the place of... I don't know what nukul means. The wilderness of bamboo?

You could say sprouts, but you could say it was the bamboo monastery. You see, the bamboo monastery. And it has two meanings.

You can say that the sprout of the dharma, monastery, or that they didn't build a monastery. They were sitting under the trees and it was like a monastery. I think that's a beautiful image, right?

And chenjung is a genre of literature. Who can tell me? It has another meaning too, right?

Yeah, it does. It's like some kind of... Yeah, something...

[Speaker 2]
Orisaka way over there?

[Speaker 1]
Chenjung means a religious history book. It's not... Yeah, it's not chenjung.

Chenjug. Gasshi glashe means... There's a couple of religious history books you can read that describe that people referred to that place in the forest as the monastery under the trees, or something like that.

It's very beautiful. The monastery of the trees. Okay, what's that say, Tim?

No, I want more. No more easy stuff. Let's go to the real book.

So here we go. I think we have some time to do some, right? Yeah, we have almost 20 minutes, I think.

All right, here we go. Too much. Here we go.

Oh, we're still got to get Marie and Peter to help us get this book. By the way, Tim, I think I located a copy in Mongolia, which would be easier. I'm working on it.

Okay. Please read... Tim, I have a proposal.

You choose somebody else to read and you check them. How's that? All right.

Oh, this is great, Francisco. Hi. I did that on purpose.

Francisco is in the background. He is managing all the tech, all the organization.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Francisco.

[Speaker 1]
Everything that makes it possible for everyone else, bring the translators together, everything like that. So thank you, Francisco, for taking that ungracious project on. Yeah, he came to Sedona.

We had a good time together. Thank you. Thank you, Francisco.

Okay, here we go. Tim's checking.

[Speaker 2]
So it's Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Nice, Francisco.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
That's very brave. So, Tim, if somebody is a ZIN of the Shindesu, they must be a J of the Shindesu. Oh, that doesn't make any sense.

Well, it could, if you're a holder. I mean, we use the word early on as a marketer, but someone who follows the innovator's teachings. Yeah, good.

If you're a person who keeps the innovator's teachings, then you must always be... An innovator yourself. ...the one who innovated those teachings. Then, by the way, any time... and we wrote this in the introduction to Sugeng's book. When you're reading one of these debate manuals, if you're just reading it, if you're just sitting in the class, when you hear the kachik, when you hear the first debate, the opening debate, don't fall asleep.

Try to think of a counterexample. Try to think of a counterexample. I'll give an example.

Okay, you ready? All fruits are orange. If it's a fruit, it must be orange color.

And then, when you're listening in the class, you should think in your mind, what's an exception? And you can think of apple, a red apple or a green apple. Already, if you're a good student in this class, you should be thinking of someone who is holding an innovator's teaching, but who didn't start the innovator's teaching.

Cool? Who's that? Well, let's go see.

Khyapa Tao. If someone's keeping an innovative teaching, they must be the person who started that innovation, innovative teaching, because every one of the gendug and the chok ni, all the six... There's six people, right?

There's six jewels. And then the two... The two supremes.

Yeah. So, there's eight famous teachers, and they are referred to as the six jewels and the big two. And all of them...

Are innovators. Were innovators. So, were they keepers of the innovation?

They must have been. Well, if you're an innovator, you would be a keeper of it. Well, we'll see.

Let's see. Do you have to be a keeper of an innovation to be a starter of an innovation? And if you are a starter of an innovation, are you always a keeper?

Let's think about it. Okay, here we go. Let's see here.

Svetlana.

[Speaker 2]
Hello. Nice, good job.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and then he quotes a book to prove his point. Okay, this debater quotes a book to prove his point. And we have to go find that quotation.

And here it is. Oh, by the way, Tim, let's start with this list of who is the six jewels and who are the two high ones. Can you have someone read this paragraph?

Sure, Lindsay. Yay, Lindsay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
and to Rob car wrong through and save and save with a thank you and talk to your What's the one before the knee? It's knee-knee. It's knee-knee, okay.

Okay, nice. Very good. Lindsay, did you do a retreat also?

[Speaker 2]
No.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, I was going to congratulate you, but I take it back. Here's a list from the Great Dictionary, which is a very good source, usually, of the Six Jewels and the Two Supremes. So, Tim, who are the Six Jewels?

Six Jewels are Nagarjuna, Aryadeva, Asanga, Vasubandhu, Big Naga, and then Dharmakirti. Good. Those are the Six Jewels in this world.

Then there's the Two Supremes, and he says they are supreme because they are the root of all the teachings. What is the root of all the teachings? It's dulwa.

Vinaya. Yeah, vinaya. So, when we say the Two Supremes, we mean the two guys who are upholding the highest of all the teachings, because it's the root of all the teachings, is good behavior.

So, dulwa denu la shindukepa, super wise in the Vinaya. Shakyaprabha, and I don't know his name that well, Shakyaprabha here. Okay, and then Yinden, which is who?

Gunaprabha. Gunaprabha, yeah, who was the author of the Vinaya Sutra. So, those are the eight guys we're talking about.

By the way, would you consider these guys innovators, Tim? Just in your offhand, just guess, I don't know. I mean, not based on our definition entirely, but some of them are pretty cool.

Actually, they're all pretty cool. Yeah, I think like the Garjuna is considered an innovator. Yeah, he is, and so is Asanga, but they've all added a lot of cool things.

Yeah, and would you say they have kept the innovations? Yes, for sure. Yeah, so I don't know.

Let's go see. That's some more... I just confirmed that the dictionary is right.

Sometimes the Great Dictionary is not correct. It's an easy source, and it's sometimes not correct. I had a case recently.

So, he says here, he says there's a verse that starts with people who started a system of the Buddha's teaching. ZHING DE GZUL BDOD means they started off a system. And he's quoting poetry.

THUGS PA'I BSTAN LA ZHING DE GZUL BDOD NAS, DANG DANG DANG DANG DANG DANG DANG DANG DANG DANG Okay, so we went to find the poetry. We found the poetry. Here's the poetry.

It's from... Who's this name here, Tim? Rendawa?

Yeah, that's Tsongkhapa's teacher, a Sakya master named Rendawa, and he's Tsongkhapa's teacher. Later he became Tsongkhapa's student. Very unusual case in history where the teacher became the student.

And his personal name, his ordination name was Shunnu Lodru. That's his ordination name. And there's his dates.

He's born about eight years before Tsongkhapa. Does his name mean young intelligence? Yeah, it is.

Shunnu means young, and Lodru means intelligence. Rendawa, I think, is a place name. I'm not sure.

The guy from Rendawa, I guess. I don't know. So in his poetry, this quotation by Kedrup Denpa Dargye is from the poetry of Rendawa, who was Tsongkhapa's teacher and his student.

Let's read the whole verse. Who are you going to pick on, Tim? Let's have a look here.

Oscar. Yay, Oscar!

[Speaker 2]
Hola. dupey teng la shing tey sul du ne, gyegu nam la lekpay lam tungpa, tsam ling tse che tsam ling yen truk la, tak du kupey yik gi chak tse lo, yen truk la tupa ndi ni.

[Speaker 1]
Nice, nice. You got the meter correct. I like it.

So these guys, sul du, sul du means they started a system. They initiated a system of the wagon in the Buddhist teaching. Then they tungpa the lam to many kyewos.

They taught the path to all the living beings. Yeah, good. Gu is an unusual word.

It should have been spelled DGU. And it just means all living beings. Okay.

Then he says, you guys are the six jewels in this world because you zepar che this world. Because you... I don't remember that word.

Zepar means... Beautify. You beautify.

Your existence on this planet makes the planet more beautiful. Therefore, we call you the jewels or the jewelry of planet Earth. Tak du kupey yik gi chak tse lo.

I bow down to you with great respect in my heart. Now, this verse implies that those six guys are all...

[Speaker 2]
Innovators.

[Speaker 1]
Innovators, yeah. And they're also dzin, sun dzin. Right, okay.

We're exploring what's the mu shi mu sum between shing de sul je and shing de sun dzin. What's the mu shi mu sum between... Do you have to be an innovator to hold an innovation in the world?

Can you hold an innovation in the world having started that innovation? If we take these six great Buddhist teachers, are they all innovators or are some of them just upholding an innovation that was done by somebody else? Are they the inventor of the Tesla or are they the copycat of the Tesla?

Could we say the driver of it? Are we thinking, is the zin a copy of it or is it someone who's using it but not setting forth a new system? Well, here's his answer.

Here's our answer to the debater. He says, if they're keeping somebody's innovation, are they necessarily an innovator? We say, well, why do you ask that?

He says, well, because those six jewels and those two supreme guys, they are all innovators. We know they also kept the innovation. We say, why do you think that all six of them are innovators?

Why do you say that? He says, look, I didn't say that. Randhawa said that.

If he's good enough to be Tsongkapa's teacher, maybe he's correct. He's the one who called them all innovators. I'm going to say ma-kyeb.

What's that ma-kyeb mean? It's not necessarily the case. Yeah, Randhawa called them, Jetson Randhawa called them innovators, but that doesn't mean they're technically innovators.

Good? Just a couple of minutes left, Geshe-la. Before I take my nap.

Nick, ethically, can I take two naps today? I don't know. Ethically, yes.

All right, me and Amalie going down twice. All right, let's start the next set. We had a good time when Nick and Amalie and Aaron came to our house.

We ate and played for a long time. By the way, grandma and granddad were crashed after that. I can imagine.

All right, let's just read the next sentence. We got two minutes, Tim. Read it for good luck.

Okay. ,'DOD DU PA'I DUS PA'I, ,DUS PA'I GSUM PA'I PHYIR, Serna ma-kyeb. Yeah, good.

They're getting into a very... It's a nasty subject. It's a very necessary subject.

Because when you say perfection of wisdom, BOR DO PO LA MI DO, or PROS NYA BAR DU MI DANG It's just super confusing. It's really confusing. What's the...

What's the Prajnaparamita literature? If the Abhisamankara, if the greatest book by Maitreya and Asanga is supposed to be a summary of the Prajnaparamita, if it's supposed to give us... then what is the Prajnaparamita?

It's a very interesting topic. I'll show you something. I think we have one minute.

Okay, I know, I know, I know. Can you see my screen? No, it's just the text.

Oh, yeah, right. Let me go back here. I'm going to get out and come back.

Let's see. Okay, here we go. Okay, here's the database.

Here's the Mixed Nuts database. Here's the Kangyur. Here's all the divisions of the Kangyur.

Here. I wasn't planning to do this, but I think it's fun. Let me see.

All right. Here's the ALL database, and here's all of the sections in the Kangyur. These are all the teachings of Lord Buddha, 990 surviving books.

All of them typed in by the ALL people. There are 12 categories of all the Buddha's teachings. 13 here is the catalog.

We have 12 categories. Look how many of the categories relate to the Perfection of Wisdom. Here's the Perfection of Wisdom in...

Sorry. Here's the Perfection of Wisdom in 100,000 lines. Here's the Perfection of Wisdom in 25,000 lines, which is called 20,000 lines, which is confusing.

Here's the Perfection of Wisdom in 8,000 lines. Here's the Perfection of Wisdom in 18,000 lines. Here's the Perfection of Wisdom in 10,000 lines.

Here's the little Perfections of Wisdom that includes the Diamond Cutter and the Heart Sutra, for example. You've got six huge sections of Lord Buddha's teachings. By the way, you can do this.

The last one ends in 43. The first one starts in 8. There are 35 or 36 different Perfections of Wisdom Sutras.

The debate next time, which Tim is going to get ready for us next time... Can you guys see the text now? Yes.

He's trying to say, look, if Maitreya was teaching a summary of the Perfection of Wisdom, which Perfection of Wisdom was it? We'll get to that debate next time. Tim, maybe you can try to translate that part.

I would do the next kachig also, okay? NYEN TU SHUG PA TSUL KHRIMS KUN ZHIG NYID KYI NUS ZHIG CIG ZHIG GANG YIN PA That's the opening lines of the Abhisambhava. Oh, we're there finally.

Kind of. Not really. All right.

Okay, you guys, I'll see you. What time, Nick? Arizona World Central Time.

4.30, Sedona Standard Time. All right. 4.30 p.m. You guys get a day off from yoga today, so take a rest. But starting tomorrow, we're going to have yoga twice a day in the morning, after these morning sessions, and then in the afternoon at 3 p.m. Sedona time before the afternoon classes. So we're offering it for your health and convenience twice a day. Try to take advantage.

We have some really, really wonderful yoga teachers for you. And also, I just want to announce real quick, for those of you who are interested in learning the language, Dr. Word is going to be teaching beginner Tibetan at 4 a.m. Sedona time. Oh, God.

Tell me if I'm wrong, Word. And then like a Tibetan grammar and a more intermediate Tibetan class at 5 a.m. Sedona time. So take advantage of that.

He's a wealth of knowledge and a really good teacher. And he will get you up to the pace of reading along with us and understanding with us. So you're also welcome to watch the classes, and you will learn a lot, even if you're not learning the language.

So either way, please keep tuning in to as much as you can. Enjoy the classes. And if you want to learn the language, those options are available.

And we'd like to thank all the translators. I know it's not... I mean, your head must be exploding, but we're very grateful for you.

Thank you very much. Thank you, Geshe Michael. Thank you for believing in us all and doing this.

Yeah. Those books that are coming out, they are amazing. Nobody's done anything like that for 1,400 years.

So you guys are cool. Okay. Thank you.

All right. See you soon. Take a nice break.

Have two naps, please. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Bye, you guys.

[Speaker 2]
Thanks, Geshe. All right. Bye, everybody.

Bye. She looks different. She looks different.