Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 22

[Speaker 1]
Got it. It's going to be three hours of tough classes. Get ready.

Ready as I'll ever be. Kim has flowers growing out of his head. Hey, Daniel.

Would you be able to focus that camera? I asked him to wash his hair. Step by step.

Should I get started? Yeah, go. Cool.

Okay. That looks festive now. Yeah.

And that Valentine's Day feeling. Daniel, do you know how to use the focus on that camera? No, no, no.

Use the focus. It's how to focus. There's a book right here.

No, on the screen. Yeah. Which function in the upper left-hand corner.

And then push focus. And then tap on one of our faces. It's sort of worked.

Okay, cool. Thank you. Great.

Thank you, Daniel. All right. So, Nick, do you want to say something?

Start your quiz, Tim. Nice.

[Speaker 2]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, boss. Okay. Do you mind doing a mic?

No, that's not it. Okay. All right.

Okay. I should turn this on. I should turn my mic on.

We're going to use that mic. Okay. Here we go, everyone.

You all can see that. Oh, yeah. There's Maitreya on Asanga's shoulders.

Oh. Modern-day version. And he's healthy, too, see?

Oh, it looks good. I know. All right.

Okay, cool. All right. First question.

So, after Lord Maitreya appeared to Asanga, Asanga was just a little exasperated after 12 years of retreats. Exasperated. That's better.

Exasperated.

[Speaker 2]
Exasperated.

[Speaker 1]
He was exasperated also. Yeah, I was that as well. This is why you need to do a spell check.

Anyhow, so he was whining. I would not have known. So he was whining, you're like a rain cloud brimming with oceans of water.

Oh, I like that. Yet not a single drop fell from you to quench my parched thirst. I like that.

So he was like, I kind of feel that, you know, anyway, we'll talk about that in a second. So how did Maitreya respond to this outcry? I was sitting next to you the whole time.

Yeah. Yep, I was sitting next to you the whole time. Yeah, there's your spit sitting on my robes.

No, he didn't say that one in this story. I know that.

[Speaker 2]
People who have the karma to see me, see me. People who don't, don't.

[Speaker 1]
Exactly. So he said, even if the rain were to fall to earth, a seed that is not properly prepared and planted will not grow. And so in the same way, you could be surrounded by all the Buddhas in the universe and nothing special would happen to you.

I think I was a little bit stronger than that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He said some seeds are just, I want to say some seeds are just worthless. Deficient. Deficient.

Yes. Okay. All right.

Number two. What was the primary? Didn't I just say that?

Something else. Well, there's another reason. I think I just said it, but what was the primary reason that Lord Maitreya gave to Asanga for his inability to see him?

A lack of compassion? Yes. Thank you.

Nice. I'll give you $2.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
You had obstacles, but finally you were able to do something nice. I forgot to do there. And so then you're able to see me.

All right. So here's a follow up question. Was Maitreya always there?

To whom? To whom? To whom?

To whom? To whom? Okay.

Well, for reading the story. So Maitreya said, well, I've always been there and you just didn't see me, Asanga. Was Maitreya always there?

To Maitreya? Yes.

[Speaker 2]
To Maitreya? Yeah. Not to Asanga.

[Speaker 1]
So Maitreya was there from his own side? No.

[Speaker 2]
Nothing from his own side. You said that.

[Speaker 1]
Nothing from his own side. From his own side, but not from his own side. Yeah.

Fine. Okay. I just want you guys to think about that a little bit.

All right. So when Asanga returned from Ganden, he had three deep experiences or realizations. Please describe them.

And what should we now change? Should we now change how we talk about Asanga from now on? So there were three realizations he had at the end of class.

Well, we talked about them at the end of class. Now we call him Arya Asanga.

[Speaker 2]
I wish we called him Bodhisattva Arya Asanga.

[Speaker 1]
So Juan said he saw Upanishad directly. So from now on, now we can refer to him as Arya Asanga. Okay.

So that was one major realization, probably the biggest one. But before that, there's two other ones he had prior to seeing Upanishad directly.

[Speaker 2]
He remembered teachings from past lives?

[Speaker 1]
Yes. No. He remembered the teachings from the past.

[Speaker 2]
Every single one.

[Speaker 1]
Every single one. That'd be kind of cool. Maybe.

I don't know. It didn't say that. It didn't say he remembered every single one.

He just said. He said he stopped forgetting teachings from past lives. He stopped forgetting it.

So that's one of them. What's the third one? It has his name on it.

[Speaker 2]
Unstoppable Confidence?

[Speaker 1]
Unstoppable Confidence. Yes. Wow.

Cool.

[Speaker 2]
So as a non-Arya, can you be in a Buddha paradise?

[Speaker 1]
If they touch your hand and take you there, I guess.

[Speaker 2]
Because didn't it say that only the level of Bodhisattvas and Buddhas can be out in Buddha paradises?

[Speaker 1]
I don't know. I don't know. Okay.

All right. Okay. Three STWs.

Asanga Courage. Asanga Courage. Okay.

This was in the earlier. This is when Asanga started to wind to Maitreya. He's opened up with Kema.

Hey. Hey.

[Speaker 2]
Hey. Hey.

[Speaker 1]
Cry out. Yeah. A cry out.

And I translated it because I thought it'd be fun to call it Doggone It. Yeah. Because he just saw a dog.

Get it? Oh. But now the dog is not gone.

Yeah. The dog's not gone. So anyway.

That was just for fun. I didn't get that. Mijepeshung.

So not forgetting all the teachings. Take the H out. Oh, the H out.

Okay. There's no H here. My bad.

What'd you say, word? Not forgetting. The Dharani of not forgetting.

Dharani of not forgetting. Cool. All right.

Excellent. Thanks, guys. Hey, good home.

What? Isn't that usually called chugging? Chugging.

Yep. You can call it that too. Okay.

Cool. All right. Here we go.

So here's a translation. So we're just starting in the wrong Luke of this very first debate. So, Nipah Rangi Lukla.

Nipah Rangi Lukla. Nick, could you correct me, please? Mm-hmm.

Okay. So, Nipah Rangi Lukla. I added that in.

Is that correct, Nipah? Yeah. Actually, traditionally it's Jawa and Zampa.

Jawa and Zampa. It's okay. Gibson, help me with that one.

Okay. All right. So, Nipah Rangi Lukla.

Nipah Rangi Lukla. Here following debate is where we present the position of our school. All right.

The definition of an innovator, which are going to the bottom part. Is someone who is an Arya Bodhisattva. Who's coming was predicted by the Buddha themself and the sutras and tantras.

Innovator also comments on the meanings of the sutras, explaining them in an independent and unique way. They don't follow after any other innovators and they lived in this world. Okay, good.

I would make it the lived present tense. And they live currently? Yeah.

Otherwise, you know, my trail would be on. Have you seen me? Oh, I see.

Okay. I like it all. By the way, I decided with checking these translations, not to comment on every single thing, because it takes half the class, but I'll just pick out something to pick on you.

I think. Doggy do money. Hmm.

I missed them out.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
So what I, the reason I said in the sutras and tantras, because, you know, are they, is it. Can we say that Ariya Sangha and Ariya Nagarjuna were predicted in many sutras or just one each? No, many, many.

Okay. I just didn't know that. Okay.

There's a lot of those are quoted by some cowboy and it's going by themselves. Okay. So I'm going to buy the risk.

Was that Nick? You want to make a footnote? Well, I guess you wouldn't.

It would just be about a song, but I have a footnote with all the references to Nagarjuna in sutras. Okay. That could be useful for the next line, actually.

Yes. And in. It makes no standard.

We don't capitalize. Okay. The only capitalizing.

Yep. The rest, I'm going to leave it. Did I get the definition correct?

Yeah. It's okay. Okay.

And, you know, all the debates that come are, are on, they leave out one little section and then you debate why it should have been here. Leave out one section in the wrong location. You leave out one little phrase and then you see if the other guy can catch it.

That's the game here. Okay. So that's why we go back to the debate afterwards.

Okay. All right. Okay.

All right. So next one. Okay.

Yeah, good. So there's no more or no. Okay.

And no less than two innovators. Excuse me. That's our protector.

The middle. The middle. Sorry.

And in this case, you can use capital eight, right? Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. If I was going to get one suggestion, I would say.

There's a, there's a tricky thing here. Changi means what in this case? It's not that Changi in VR.

And it means exactly two.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. So why did he say common? I thought it was just to emphasize it.

He wants. What, what do you guys think? What's what.

If you're going to talk about people who. Who are real innovators. Major.

Major areas in the last 2000 years. These are. Yeah.

There's only two. Sorry guys. You know what I mean?

Like that. It's not a. But he, he says, look.

It's. It's. It's only.

Limited to two and stuff like that. So you got to have some kind of work. Indicates limited.

Like that's it or something. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's ambiguous. It could be just exactly. But it could be just, but it could be all the cash.

There's only two. So you got to catch the ambiguity. Okay.

And in personally, I think my. When I, when we talk about this, people usually struck that there are so few. All right.

That's I saw your, I saw both of your chats twice. I saw the fewer. All right.

All right. So then I did this, this verse. As well.

So in the essence of eloquence on the art of interpretation. They said, soon Rob, soon me. She did so.

Like part J. J. J.

J. J. J.

J. J. Okay.

All right. She would. She would.

Okay. Let's see if I can get that on the whole page here so you can see it. Oh, you got it.

Yeah. I wasn't sure what to do. That's what I kind of got.

Again, I'm not going to do the whole, every single point but, but because the first two lines are, are the first two lines are expansions on the last two lines. So, we should go backwards and we should go for three to four 312 in the lines. So we would kind of like you, the whole two verses.

No, I mean, I placed my head at the Holy Tree. I know. Okay.

Timber choke is the object of illuminated supreme teachings. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So that that's the object of the room. So, I think.

So I could say that then the other part will. Yeah. Yeah.

And those, those guys who are illuminated like the sun. The supreme teachings of the victorious ones. For beings in all three realms.

By, by dividing.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
It modifies illuminated. Okay. They illuminated by, by opening up to systems.

Right. And I like that you used open for tradition. Yeah, they founded to two traditions.

Of understanding the high speech of the. Yeah, high speech. Oh, I see.

Okay, I had thought that. Now I see what you're saying. Yeah, this is the high speech of the.

Yeah, once again.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Good. Yeah. Cool.

Yeah, and it's just a syntax thing. You know the vocabulary, you just got to get the syntax right. Which is basically backwards.

Cool. There was some. No, no, no, no, no.

What was it? Yeah. Timber choke could mean the best ones of the Buddhist teachings.

Right? Or it could mean that highest teaching in the world. You see what I mean?

Like Dham Chö, holy Dharma. People translate holy Dharma. The Dham is actually highest.

And Dham Chö means the highest form of spiritual teaching in the world. So in that case, Dharma doesn't mean Buddhism. It could mean Hindu teachings.

So when you say highest Dharma, you mean highest spiritual teachings in general. So you got to be careful here. Because you could read it that they commented on the highest of the Buddhist.

No, you can't read it that way because of the 60 verses. You can't say highest teachings. You see what I mean?

You have to say the conqueror's teachings which are the highest in the world or something like that. You see what I mean? Because Nagarjuna commented on the lower teaching in the 60 verses.

That's next verse check. And it's a very subtle thing. I'm not trying to criticize.

I'm just saying it's so dangerous. There's so many things to think about. It's just practice.

Once you've done 50 years, you'll be okay. Why don't you take it as criticism? Yeah, I'm just saying for a debater, you got to pass like stepping to a minefield.

You got to be careful what you say. Geshe-la, would the mind-only commentaries by a sangha also disqualify the word highest? Well, now that's a debate.

Ask word. I would say they're not the highest teaching. But they're very, very close.

All right. Thank you. Good job.

I mean, it takes many years. And by the way, there'll come a time when I can't check everything. Either I'll be in another world or we don't know.

Or it's just too many translations and I just won't have time to check them all. In that case, I'd like you to, if you put out a translation that I haven't personally checked every word, somehow indicate that on the translation. Don't say translated by Michael.

You see what I mean? Because I'm very, very touchy about it. If my name's on it, I have checked every single syllable.

And that's all. You can say, you know, based on his help or something like that. But when I put my name on a translation, it means in my mind every syllable is correct.

And that takes 50 years. So, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Please stay with us, Bob. Go. Please stay.

[Speaker 1]
No, I intend to stay. I'm just saying, yeah, I'm picky about that. I'm really picky about it.

I told, when we first made the contract for the Mixed Nuts, I told the sponsor, if you change a single word, take my name off. And then just say, I helped with it or something like that. Because that's how I feel about it.

Okay. All right. Let's go to work.

Wait. By the way, I did look in the Mongolian catalog and I couldn't find this text. There must be some, I don't know, those books.

I don't know. Most of the books from Central Tibet must have been collected in the 13th century, 14th century. That's what I'm saying.

There'll be certain gaps in the Mongolian collections. And so, I haven't found this book by the textbook writer from Seremen. We've only found one in Russia.

We could really use it, but I guess we'll have to wait a while. All right. Scholars have to wait for countries to calm down.

Let's go. Are we finished this one? Okay.

Tim's going to read and I'm looking at Dr. Kramer's handsome face. I like your tie, by the way. Here?

Yes. Okay. Please correct Timothy as he reads.

Confidence. I don't know. I don't know.

Okay. Sorry about that. I was just translating.

Sometimes when you're working on a text, you're giggling and your wife says, why are you giggling? Never mind. Good.

Let's go to the end, which is a definition of a do. What's that? Of a sutra.

Which is the primary. Which is explained by a jewel of realization. Yeah, so the jewel of realizations, even though it's an original work by Lord Maitreya, is in the end, it's a commentary on the Perfection of Wisdom Sutra.

And to qualify as the primary sutra, which is commented upon by this book called the Jewel of Realizations, it has to have many features. That sutra must satisfy many requirements. And here's the list.

Okay. It should be rumah. It should be appropriate.

Appropriate, okay. To be tenla bepa. And that's a difficult word.

It means tenla bepa, set down the meaning. You can say explained or presented sometimes. Presented is good.

Presented is quite good. Yeah. It should be, you should be able to present it in Denglun Tok Yen.

Denglun Tok Yen should be able to present it in Kap Gye and Lopo Gye. In eight chapters? In the eight chapters.

Or eight ideas. Yeah. And the eight chapters, kap gye, are je je, and the eight topics are je ja.

The eight chapters are what expresses the meaning in the sutra, in the scripture. And the eight subjects are what is... The subject matter.

Yeah, the subject matter. So, if it's going to be a sutra, which is commented upon by a sangha with his book, it has to be appropriate to break it up into eight chapters to express eight topics. Okay?

That's the first requirement, okay? And it should be... It should be a sher chok yi dong.

Perfectional wisdom sutra. Yeah, that sutra should be a perfectional wisdom sutra. Like if it's a Vinaya sutra or something, that's not sufficient, okay?

And there should be many other tsen deng kyi jelpa. Commentary. Tsen deng means tsenpa dang gyempa.

So how can a book be tsenpa? Authoritative. Yeah, authoritative is a great word.

Tsen deng means authoritative, okay? It means serious, serious commentaries. Good commentaries, okay?

There should be many other good commentaries that have deng la papa past tense. That have presented or set forth... Yeah, that have presented it, yeah.

Good, okay? And that's the definition of the sutra, which is appropriate. And in the Rangluk section, in our own system section of these debate texts, normally you give the definition first, and then you give...

Sorry, first you give tsen ni, and then you give tsen shi. Classical examples. So tsen ni, definition, tsen shi, classical examples.

And he gives you four here. You want to read the mind, buddy? Otherwise, we're going to get in trouble with somebody.

Gendring, Dursum. Heavy Pinyin. Gendring, Dursum, Dupatang, Chepa Nan, Dei, Senshi, Senshi, yeah.

Yeah. Sutras, which Maitreya is commenting upon in his famous book, The Jewel of Realizations, which we're going to spend 50 years on, Om Mani Padme Hum, are the... Extensive.

Sher Qin Gyepa, Sher Qin Ding, Sher Qin Yu, and Sher Qin Du. So the long, the extensive, the middle, the short, and the really short. Very nice.

Presentations of the Perfection of Wisdom. You can put numbers on them. That's a long story.

But there's 100,000 verses, there's 20,000 verses, which is really 25,000 verses, and then there's 18,000 verses, and there's 8,000 verses. And then there's the Diamond Cutter Sutra and the Heart Sutra. And then there's the short, short Perfection of Wisdom Sutra, which he's going to talk about sooner or later.

So, okay. But it's not the short, shortest one. No.

Okay. Probably includes it. Juan, can you- Do you want to choose someone?

Juan, can you- And you want to do the cursor and I'll just take a break? Actually- Smoke a cigarette or something? I see someone online because the microphone isn't on.

Let's see. Are we on your microphone? Yeah, yeah, we are.

Let's see who's hanging out here for pictures. How about... Man, we always call on him.

How about Marianne? Marianne.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, I'm at the airport. It's very loud here. Sorry.

I'm in Atlanta. I'll see you soon.

[Speaker 1]
Yay, welcome. All right, how about Olga? Welcome to the great country.

Okay, what? How about Olga? Olga Van Dyck.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. It's the first time I read. Lob- Yeah, yeah.

Seng- Nice. Sang- Good. Rel- Pa- Dan- Sal- Sam- Sal- Sam- Pa- Hong- Ma- Rel- Pa- Dan- Sal- Ji- Shot- Hot- Or- Do- Ma- Pa- Ma- Pa- Ma- Rel- Pa- Dan- Sal- Ji- Shot- Jot- Jot- Ji- San- Nit.

[Speaker 1]
Sorry. Great job. Nice.

Excellent, good job. Very good. What's Lopin Seng-Gesam-Dol?

Master Haribhadra. Yeah, Master Haribhadra. By the way, who wrote two great commentaries on the Abhisamavankara.

And we're focusing on one of them, mainly, which is called Jalpa Jhunsel. In Sanskrit, it's pratharta. And it means the clarification, okay?

Selva, the meaning. Selva, the meaning. And that's its nickname, and it's not the name it goes by in the ten years.

So don't get confused. All right. Tsampa with a book?

Composed. Composed, okay. If you say on a path, it means to start out, to step off on the path, to start.

But in a book, it means to compose. Okay. Thokmar, at the Thokmar, at the beginning of, before he wrote that book, before, what did he do?

He wrote a verses of praise. Yeah, offering of praise. Yeah, offering of praise.

And that thing which is mepa as the yule of that offering of praise. That thing which is the object. Yeah.

Who did he praise in his offering of praise? Who did he bow down to? Why is that important?

He bowed down to the perfection of wisdom itself. But why is it important in a traditional commentary? So, yeah, oftentimes it tells you what's the topic of the text, okay?

So that, and that's the definition of the object, which is of the offering of praise for the clarification. The commentary called the clarification. Okay.

All right. Who's up next, Mr. Pineda? How about Flavia?

It's like, oh, dang. Hey, Flavia, the next project is a healthy turtle. Okay.

All right. So, Flavia, do you want to read? Flavia can translate.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, she's translating.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, it didn't say translate. Oh, I'm sorry. Wait.

All right. Unfortunately, Alejaso. Yay.

Oh, you can do it. Give her trouble. It doesn't matter.

Don't worry about your gremlin. If you have trouble, just ask Haki. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Run, run. See, it's got to the end.

Mom.

[Speaker 1]
Sorry. It's fine.

[Speaker 2]
Oh. Pa. Zen.

Mom, mom. Scrub.

[Speaker 1]
Scrub? Why are you talking to the pen already? Oh, wait.

[Speaker 2]
Nung.

[Speaker 1]
Ki.

[Speaker 2]
Nu.

[Speaker 1]
Nu. Ki. May.

May-in.

[Speaker 2]
Ken.

[Speaker 1]
Ken.

[Speaker 2]
Pa. Gang. I don't know how to say this word.

[Speaker 1]
Just pick a couple letters in the middle and see what happens. Yeah, and then no d at the end. He's correcting you.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, you just correct me this one.

[Speaker 1]
Good job, Ale.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
That's how we start. So, we have a kangshik here. That's the first thing to notice, Tim.

What's a kangshik? It means... General.

Go ahead. First of all...

[Speaker 2]
Split reason. Split reason.

[Speaker 1]
So, this and this. Yeah, it means there's going to be two parts of the definition. This is a definition.

When you put kangshik in the middle, it means blah blah blah blah blah. And? Blah blah blah blah blah.

Okay? So, kangshik in the middle means he wants it to be very clear that there's two parts to this definition. The first part is it's a khyenpa.

It's a state of mind. Yeah, but when they use the honorific for mind, you have to say a state of knowledge or something? State of knowledge.

High knowledge. Okay. If you see how high knowledge fits, I don't think it's going to fit.

You might want to just say knowledge, okay? Knowledge, which has the nupa. The power.

Good. To droop. To remove.

No, to achieve. Okay, achieve. That then.

The meaning. Or the goal. The goal.

[Speaker 2]
Siddhartha, Siddhartha, right?

[Speaker 1]
To achieve the goals desired by the aryas, she means which they have been to try to reach, okay? Desired by, if I'm to say akhbar, by the aryas who are their se. That are their own children.

Because of their spiritual children. Because, okay. A state of high knowledge, which has the capacity to achieve the goals desired by the arya, who is her son.

Oh, her son. So, okay. Meaning Asanga.

No. Her son? Or the mother.

Yeah, you. In the end, he's going to refer to the textual wisdom as the mother, mata, okay? So, that's the first requirement.

If something is the object of the statement of praise at the beginning of a book, and it's a mother, it's the holy mother, then there must be two things. One, it has to be a state of knowledge, which can achieve the goals desired by the arya, who is her son, okay? Cool.

And then secondly, it should have been mentioned, mata, as the yul. As the object of the offering of praise.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
In that book called The Clarification. And that's the definition of the mother, who is the object of the praise, which opens the clarification. That's why this book is going to take 50 years.

They have a whole section on the first sentence. Yeah. Here we go.

Oh, you can choose somebody to do both, I think. Okay, excuse me. Bertha, are you translating?

Not right now, I'll translate later. Okay, great. And so, can you read, please?

[Speaker 2]
Of course, thank you, yes. Sumpad sepa stonwala.

[Speaker 1]
Pongwala.

[Speaker 2]
Excuse me? Pongwala? Pongwala?

[Speaker 1]
Pongwala. Yep. What is sumpad pongwala?

It's the... We're going to be going back to the debate, right? Yeah, this is where the other guy gets to come back and fight against us again, which is a very interesting system.

First, we complain about him. Then, secondly, we put our own ideas. And for some beautiful reason, for thousands of years, he gets to come back and attack us again and defend himself, which would never happen in my country.

Okay. All right, Bertha, keep going.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Kachi gyang sumpa poy jet sumgyam nyong shinta- Gyam. Gyam.

[Speaker 1]
Gyam. Jet sum- Gyam. Gyam.

[Speaker 2]
Gyam. Gyam go. Shinta- Gyam.

Shinta trol cheyyin par tel.

[Speaker 1]
Was that a word down?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Tal. Okay.

Okay. Le chey- Le chey ser treng tang? Treng tang.

Trel shey sik sal ni le de shinta trol- Shinkay. Shinkay. Trol shey du sum- Hi.

Sumpay du- Where? Sum?

[Speaker 1]
Sum- Sumchay. SR is pronounced- And then there's a prenasal. Sumchay.

Sumchay.

[Speaker 2]
Sumchay, okay. Du sumpay chir ser na.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Ser na. Okay, good.

[Speaker 2]
Ser na. Good.

[Speaker 1]
So, in our rung, in our own, in the part where we described our own beliefs, we said, look, there's only two major innovators in history. Tsongkhapa is sometimes referred to as the third. But there's only Arya Nagarjuna and Arya Sangha, middle school and minority school, basically.

Now he says, well, I think the person who wrote the Nguyen Tok Yen, which is Je Tsongkhap, My treasure. Yeah, our protector, the loving one, the holy one, isn't he a Singdey Sozey? Isn't he an innovator?

He is an innovator. Nyingpa Thao. I think he is.

Why? Because it is stated that he is a Singdey Sozey. It's been stated in the scriptures that he's a Singdey Sozey.

Okay? Which one? Who said that?

Well, it's in Lekshay Serting. Lekshay Serting is Je Tsongkhapa's major, huge work called The String of Golden Beads or Something, of Eloquence. The String of Golden Beads of Eloquence.

And it's a remarkable book because he wrote it in his early 20s, or 25 or 23 years, I don't know. And we are not gonna translate it because he was not at his full powers yet. You can tell he was not yet at his full powers.

And it's not deficient, but it's not, it doesn't burn bright like some of his other works. It's kind of an encyclopedia, okay? So Lekshay Serting, but it does state in there that Maitreya is an innovator.

Okay? And in Sixth Cell, it says Maitreya is an innovator. Sixth Cell is prasannapada, which has been often mistranslated as clear words.

Okay? And drelshay means commentary, okay? The commentary called Sixth Cell, prasannapada.

So there's a classical prasannapada, which was written by Chandrakirti. Is it? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Okay. And I, it's actually, it's sikchay sewa. And sewa, it's not an adjective, it's a verb.

Clarifying the verses. The name of the book is Clarifying the Verses. And people have mistrans, people have mis, people have translated the whole thing and mistranslated the title, which irritates me somewhat.

Okay, got it. Okay. And anyway, drelshay means commentary.

I believe there's more than one Sixth Cell, so we gotta be careful. All right? So I went and tried to find it in Tsongkhapa's commentary.

Did he ever refer to Maitreya as a innovator? And here it is. You wanna read that quote?

I mean, it's gonna be in your footnote. Okay. Je tsultang lu drub shab ni kyi sher chen drel su ni sun jung no shay ja war yang ne so.

That's the only place where he says anything like that. He says the Holy One, which means Maitreya, and Nagarjuna Pada, Lu drub Nagarjuna Pada, the glorious, you know. These two started to, these two started to commentarial traditions for the perfecting wisdom.

That's all he says. So he doesn't say he was a, I don't believe he says explicitly that he was an innovator, but he does say he opened a system of commentary. Now, Drel Shed Sixth Self seems to be Shantideva's Sixth Self.

Okay? And that's tricky. Okay?

And here's Chamyang Shepa. Drel Shed Sixth Self. Yeah, Drel Shed Sixth Self, okay?

He quotes it directly. He quotes it directly. And I don't believe you'll find it in Chandrakirti.

I believe you'll find it in Shantideva. Okay? So it's tricky.

Geshe-la, is that a third book by Master Shantideva? Not the compendium of the trainings or the? Right.

Well, let's go see. Chamyang Shepa. Anyway, I went and studied it for a while.

Sixth Self. Lekshe Mimpo says, Sixth Self, Lale Sangye Khyamme, Khyamme Sochenla, listen to me. There's a lot of notes here.

We'll have to study that, okay? But I believe it's Shantideva, but I'm not sure. I mean, I would have to read all the notes again.

But here's the answer. Who's going to read it? Let's see.

Oscar. Kyun Methe. Gyen Tsongpa Poy Yed Tsung Kyi Gan Teng Tu Shingtay Tsunje Shengyi Yesuma Changpar Doiwe Tung Doiwa Tungun Toki Rinpa Nguntot Kyi Nice.

Kyi Rinpa Tung Lapa Patsamla Gungpa Yinpeichir Okay, good. Then we say, look, Maitreya is referred to in at least two authoritative scriptures as being an innovator. Therefore, he must be an innovator.

And we say, no, he's not. No problem. Why?

Because the Gyen Tsongpa Poy, the author of... The author of the Jewel of Realizations. Yeah, the author of the Jewel of Realizations, that Jetson, which means Maitreya, okay?

He did, it is true, that without following another person, which is a requirement for... Innovators. Innovators.

Like Steve Jobs or something. Without following any, without major following any other person, without following any other...

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Innovators.

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Shin De Tsuji, yeah, right. He did comment on the Jewel of Realizations, but in Ganden. Right, so he's not in this world.

Yeah, and the definition of an innovator is in this world. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any innovators. Okay, because there's lots of worlds.

Okay, all right. And what did he clarify in his book in Ganden, right? He, Tenla Papa, he's set down...

Set forth the path. The steps. The steps to the...

Of realizations. Okay, of realization. Which is the bedan of sutras.

The hidden meaning. Yeah, hidden meaning. So there's an explicit subject of the sutras, and there's sort of a difficult-to-see subject of the sutras, and that's a big topic in this book, and it's called bedan.

Say bedan. Bedan. Yeah, bedan.

Yeah, and there's tantric commentaries called bedan. Tsongkhapa's famous commentary, one of them is called bedan. So it means that the...

Bedan means the points which are a little bit secret and not so obvious, okay? So did Maitreya comment on this book? Yes.

Did he comment on it well? Yeah, he covered the deeper points. So is he an innovator?

And we say no, because he's not in this world, okay? He didn't write in this world. What are you saying?

So when we say innovator, it implies in this world, okay? The planet Earth. Yes, Shola.

Yeah. What does that I mean with the folio number? Oh, Chen's gonna explain it to you.

Oh, okay. So there's... The version of six.

There's six, what do we call each one? Volumes. Well, there's six volumes in the ALL database.

Yeah. That is the eight chapters. The sixth volume has chapter six, seven, and eight in it.

He was in a rush when it got to the end. So we're in volume one at this point. So there's...

Yeah. So each volume will have a different Roman numeral there. Yeah, it will take 50 years to finish this commentary.

So wait, Tim, did you put those in? Grandpa put those in. Oh.

Grandpa told him to put them in. Grandpa told Tim to put them in. And then Nick helped.

Because there's gotta be six 6Bs, you got it? In the finished book. Got it.

Thank you. Good question though, thank you. So Timothy's gonna give us a summary of this book, yay.

All right, so where are we? Okay, so we're back in the text now. And we moved on to the section of what our position is.

And previously we've been debating all of these. So we got the definition of what a innovator is, which has several components. One of which is they're predicted by the Buddha.

They commented on the meaning of the sutras in a unique and independent way. They didn't come after anybody else, any other innovator, and they live in this world. All right, and so according to our texts, there's no more and no fewer than, there you are, Bets, two innovators.

Arya Nagarjuna of the Middle Way and Arya Sangha of the Mind Only. What else did we do here? We have the definition now of what it means to be a main sutra that's commented on by the Jewel of Realization, which mainly is there are eight chapters which elucidate the eight topics.

That's mainly. And then there's many commentaries on that. There's several examples of the different Perfection of Wisdom Sutras we went over.

And then what else did we do here? We defined the object of the offerings of praise, of what it means to be the object of the offerings of praise in Haribhadra's commentary. And now we're trying to figure, now we've come back to the debate and given the Kachig another opportunity to have his piece.

And we're still trying to figure out what that is. The end. Okay, good.

Let's check. Let's see. By the way, I think I might've made an error on that Prasanna Pada, but I can't tell you yet.

So I'll tell you next time where it comes from. All right. Sushi.

All right. Good job, Tim. Thank you.

Angonek, anything for us? No announcements. Just take a five minute break.

And yeah, thank you so much, Keshala. Thanks, Tim. Thank you.

Good job. All right. See you in five minutes.

Thank you, Keshala.