Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 19

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Oh, why don't you do your homework first?

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Okay. All right.

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Okay. All right. I got bad news for you guys.

It's homework time. All right. I also like...

Here we go, guys. It's not the same as what we covered in the Vinaya, but it's similar. Crunching.

All right. Here we go. All right.

Is everyone ready? Yeah. We're anxious to start the homework.

Make money. Yeah. Can you guys...

Can someone on that side talk so we can make sure we can hear you? Hello.

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On what side?

[Speaker 1]
Where is it? I wonder why this keeps happening to you. Because they never listen to other people?

I'm just trying to figure out... Unless we read the karma correlations, maybe. There you go.

There we go. Can somebody say something? Hello.

Hello. Yay. Okay.

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Here we go.

[Speaker 1]
We just couldn't hear you. All right. Here we go.

All right. Arkhatchik claims that there are six mother and 11 children sutras, which are the main sutras... Could someone shut that door, please?

...which are the main sutras that the Jewel of Realization explains. How do we first understand what is a mother and what is a child sutra? What does it mean to be called a mother or a child?

Well, there is a lot there, isn't there? Yeah. True, but that's not what we talked about in the text.

It's a big... That's nice. It's not a big one.

Come on. You guys know. There was a distinction made between...

How about, let's say, what is the distinction between the two? How's that as a question?

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I mean, it's not the point. It's about emptiness.

[Speaker 1]
Well, yes, they're about emptiness, but it's not because one isn't about emptiness. Has it to do with how they perceive things, either coming at them or coming from them? No.

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It answers... Worse and worse. It answers the question of what is emptiness and what is a child sutra, and what is a mother Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Right. The mother covers all the topics. So by extension, a child sutra...

Incomplete. Incomplete. It's some of them.

Some of them. Some of them. Okay.

Once again, I should give you guys the answers, but I had time over here. Yeah.

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Okay.

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Don't talk too fast, Timothy. Here we go. What is the Tibetan for mother?

Ma. Um. Um in this case.

Hey, everybody who answered right gets $100. Yeah. Yeah.

Finally. Um. In this case, yes, it's um.

Oh, um. How about child? Um.

Oh my gosh. This is funny.

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Say.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. You're correct. All right.

Here we go. Like Gyaltsen. Like they're saying, Gyaltsen.

Okay. All right. So our Akachi claims that there are 17 sutras, right?

And what is the counterexample that we give against that? Like what's the name of the sutra that we use to use to counter his claim? Okay.

Oh my gosh. Okay. So it's a really, really short sutra.

One word. Sutra in one word. Sutra in one word.

Okay. Okay. All right.

I know. Single syllable, right? Single syllable.

Right. That's the same kind of answer we get on a lot of the homework questions. So I know this was a 6 a.m. class. It's probably why we're having difficulty including myself. It's only 6 a.m. in Arizona. So explain how we use that counterexample to go against his claim that the 17 sutras are the main sutras that are explained by the perfection of wisdom.

They're explained by the dual of realizations. Nice. What does it not do?

What does it not do? What? Why is it not a mother sutra?

All eight topics. Okay. So it has to do with that, Stanley.

Stanley said it doesn't cover what? All eight topics. Why doesn't, why don't we use all eight topics and all eight chapters to explain the sutra in one syllable?

Duh. Why? It's too short.

It's just too damn short. It would be very repetitive. Okay.

Right. It's just one syllable. Okay.

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All right.

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But it is a Prajnaparamita sutra. It is a fully qualified Prajnaparamita sutra. All right.

Maybe this one will be easier. We are then given another example of why two of the mother sutras couldn't be in the list of the 17. And I wrote, I put the Tibetan here and I numbered the two that I want you to focus on.

So what is the relationship between these two sutras? And how does he use this as a, as a counter to the Kachig? Nice question.

There is a deep relationship between these two. So deep that maybe they might be in the same book or the same sutra. The shorter one.

When the guys in this room are eating pizza, it sounds like a football game. And when we have the homework, it's totally quiet. So, so how many verses, the first book, what's the name of the first book there?

What's that mean? What does that mean? 18,000.

18,000. So how many, is that a few verses or a lot of verses? Well, for a Buddha, it's almost nothing.

So it's a big, it's a decently big number. Yeah. And what about, what is that?

It's a summary at the end of this, of this. Not necessarily a summary, but. No, it's not a summary.

It just happens to be a.

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It's in the chat. One is a chapter of the other.

[Speaker 1]
That's correct, yes. Does anyone remember what chapter number for bonus points? How much are you offering?

Five dollars. Eight. 87.

Chapter 8. It was 87th chapter. That's right.

So the point is that the Dodupa is the chapter within the 18 verses. Yeah, so can you count it separately? So can we count it separately?

Well, maybe you have to say 16 and a half. Something like that, right? So basically our author is like, you can't even count 17 because it technically is the same sutra, but I believe you said that it's recognized as a separate sutra.

Totally, yeah, and whole huge commentaries are written about it. Okay. All right, cool.

Who wrote a famous commentary on it? Unexpectedly. I think it was Dharmakirti or Dignanga or somebody.

Yeah. We covered that. All right, here's some bonus.

Here's a bonus question. In the text, we question whether or not there was a missing comma between the two sutras. All right, and we put a comma because we can't check because we don't yet have a definitive carving to check it against.

From St. Petersburg. From St. Petersburg, right? So based on what we just discussed, could the comma have been left out on purpose to make a point?

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Cool, yeah.

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Yeah. Cool. Yeah.

Does anyone explain what that point might be? So you agreed, Juan, but why? Because it's one of many possibilities.

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Oh my gosh.

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That's one of those 500 arguments. If it has a comma, what would it indicate in the list? That there's separated books.

Yeah. Right? Without the comma, perhaps he's trying to indicate that it is just one book.

Maybe he's making a statement. He might be making some kind of statement about it, yeah. Maybe he wants you to call it the shortest sutra of the 18,000.

We could search the whole eight books and see how he treated it elsewhere, but let's do it later. It's not worth the time. Cool.

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Okay, going back to Tim. I did an attempt at the next debate. I think it's gloriously incorrect, but let's try.

You never know. Here we go. Okay, here we go.

Are you going to read it first, Tim? I think it'd be nice if we read it and then we'll walk through it so people can follow along and learn. Hasso, can you yell out his mistakes?

Actually... You got something else in mind? I will do.

Just correct me. Okay. Okay.

Say again? RANG BZE'I PHAG PA'I ZHIG DANG RANG BZE'I PHAG PA'I ZHIG DANG That's where I kind of got lost. Say again?

I got lost right here. Yeah, this is confusing. But anyway, here's the debate.

RANG BZE', I would say, the child who is produced by that perfection of wisdom. And he says PHAG PA. The Aryas.

Okay, the Aryas who are produced by that mother. What's that noise? It's his hearing aids.

Oh, okay, good. Yeah, the Aryas who are produced as children of the yul, of the Perfection of Wisdom Sutras. RANG BZE'I So we're not talking about the literature, we're just actually talking about the person.

Oh no, that's part of the debate. So the Aryas that this thing produces, ZHES BDUN means what they believe or what they want. ZHES BDUN means their goals or their wishes, what they want.

What they want. DRUG This is DRUNG DRUG here. What's it mean in Sanskrit?

SIDDHAR SIDDHAR GNYUD KYI KHYEN PA So let's read backwards. A KHYEN PA, state of knowledge, which is GNYUD PA, which is achieved, which has the ability to DRUG the goals set forth by the Aryas who were produced by that. Knowledge.

Who were produced by it. We gotta change this, I think. Venerable Phil?

Jigme, tell him his... There we go. I think when you hold your...

You guys talk about it. It feeds back through you. I'm muted.

I don't know. But it stops. When you lower it down, it stops.

Okay, let's go back. Ellie, just discuss it and we'll keep going. Oh, it's probably in that book.

SPYOD SPYOD means... It's a verse of praise, right? The offering of...

The offering of praise at the beginning of all Buddhist books. The YUL means, to whom is that praise addressed, means YUL. YUL means the object of that praise, meaning the person or thing to which the praise is addressed.

The definition of the person or thing to whom the offering of praise is directed in Haribhadra's commentary. Sputarta. Clarification of the meaning.

I forget if it's a shorter book or a longer one. We call it Drabhudinsa, the Sputarta commentary. The definition is this.

Yeah, the definition of the object, of the verses of praise at the beginning of Haribhadra's commentary on what? On the clarification of the meaning. On the jewel of realizations.

Okay. The definition of who he's giving praises to is that state of knowledge which has the ability to help achieve the goals set forth by the Aryas or produced by that state of knowledge. Okay, got it?

Who are their children? Gyaltsen. So what I'm going to do is, I'm now going to stop.

Yeah, don't worry, don't stop. Because it's going to be ridiculous if we... Alright, let's go to here.

I'm going to get you to the text. Okay. This is Ben's text.

Let's do Tim's text. Okay, I think it's here. Yeah, okay.

And then here's our reply. What does the first reply to a debater's statement usually offer? A counter example.

If you say all fruits are orange, then my first reply is, Hey, Hasso, let's take apples. So we're expecting anticipatory translation. We're expecting a counter example.

Well now, oh now. Oh now means I'm about to mess you up. Okay, well then.

Let's take, ZHUNG ZHES CAN Everybody say ZHUNG ZHES CAN. ZHUNG ZHES CAN ZHES CAN PRABDZA BAR MI BSTAN The Perfection of Wisdom comes in three formats. There are three formats to the Perfection of Wisdom.

One of them is books. The Perfection of Wisdom in book form. Physical books.

Okay. Do we have a counter example already? He said Khyenpa.

He said Khyenpa. A state of knowledge. So we already have a counter example.

Okay, let's talk about the books about the Perfection of Wisdom. Well, I guess they are a state of mind which achieves the goals of the Aryas, right? Why would you say that?

Okay, TSE NI DER THAL TSE NI DER THAL Are you telling me that they are a state of mind which achieves the goals of the Aryas who are produced by it? And the guy says, why are you saying that? How do you say that in Tibetan?

Why do you say that? PHYI PHYIR You see these little monk debaters? They're like five years old.

Seven? They're like, PHYI PHYIR. PHYI PHYIR Well, TSUN CHEN DE PHYIR It fits your definition.

It's the definition you're trying to define. TSUN BYA means the thing defined by a TSE NI. TSE NI defines a TSUN BYA.

A TSUN BYA is defined by a TSE NI. Well, it's what you're defining. What am I defining?

You're defining the thing that Haribabu bowed down to at the opening of his book. And you said it had to be a state of mind. And then we say, well, what about the books on the perfection of wisdom?

Are they a state of mind? No. Are they what he bows down to at the beginning of his commentary?

No. They are. He bows down to all three.

He bows down to all three formats of the perfection of wisdom. Got it? That's the key.

But he doesn't bow down to the state of mind. Well, if it's one of the three formats of the perfection of wisdom, he is bowing down to it. But not only that.

Is it one of the formats? It is. Okay.

It's one of the forms in which you find the perfection of wisdom. It can be a book. It can be a state of knowledge.

It can be a state of enlightenment. It can be the final goal. These three formats.

All three are perfection of wisdom. Two of them are states of mind. One of them is a book.

A paper or whatever. Okay. ZHUNG ZHES CAN PHYIR PHYIR We say, MTSAN BYAS DE PHYIR which means, it is what he's defining.

Meaning, it is the thing that Haribhadra bowed down to at the beginning of his book. The sutras themselves, the physical teachings, are what he bows down to at the beginning of his book. And the guy says, DTAR MA GRUB I don't agree.

Then we say, DER THAL When we believe it. Oh, we believe it. Yeah, DER THAL, it's the agreed response.

Of course it is. You go up, DER THAL. What is it?

Yeah, he bowed down to it. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.

Tell. Yeah, he did. He bowed down to it.

Why? Because, please read Tim. Grandpa, I can't correct you.

How about Hasso? Who else we got here? Allison.

Correct Tim on this sentence. Starting at SLAB. SLAB Do you know what SLAB is in English?

It means a person who doesn't wash their clothes a lot. Oh, and is really messy.

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Messy person.

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Right? Is that correct? SLAB PAD She knows where we are now.

SLAB PAD DGON SANGS RGYAS SANGS PAS DGRA BA DON TZAL SRED PA'I THOB MAR SHUNG MANG DREG BU ZHES CAN GSOS MA THOD CHAGS SRED PA'I PHYIR Yeah, you got to know THOD CHAGS here. Praise and bow. Praise and bow.

THOD CHAGS He performs a praise and bow to ZHES CAN GSOS. To the three forms of the perfection of wisdom. Yeah, SHES CAN is short for...

Perfection of wisdom. SHES RAB KYI PHAR ROL TU CHIN PA SHES RAB KYI PHAR ROL TU CHIN PA Sometimes we just say SHES CAN. It's too long.

And they take the R from the second syllable and push it up to the first syllable. SHES RAB becomes SHES. Okay, so...

At the beginning, THOB MAR of writing ZHES PA, his commentary called The Clarification of Meaning, he bows down and makes honors all three forms, formats of the perfection of wisdom. SHUNG MANG DREG BU These are the three formats. These are the...

This is the abbreviated wording for the three formats. SHUNG, say SHUNG. SHUNG MANG DREG BU These are the three...

the three forms of the perfection of wisdom. The BORO BOR MI DO The perfection of wisdom, PHRAD SNYAM PAR MI DO comes in three formats. First is SHUNG.

The books. Physical books. Second is LAM.

Realizations of emptiness before you reach enlightenment. When you cross over into enlightenment, it becomes a different format of the perfection of wisdom, which we call the result format. Okay, cool, nice.

So which of the five paths is DREG BU? Five. Which of the five paths is LAM?

Four. You can say three and four, mainly. Is he talking about direct experience of emptiness?

Mostly. And which of the five paths is SHUNG SHUNG CHUNG? The first form of SHER CHEN.

The first form of the perfection of wisdom. First format. Which of the five paths?

The synonym for LAM is KHYEN PA. Knowledge. I'll ask you again.

Which of the five paths is SHUNG SHER CHEN? The books. The second path.

You just made the same mistake that he made. The first? Do the books think?

No, they don't. Okay, they're not a path, Geshe-la. You're tricking us.

That was the point of the whole debate. He said all forms of the perfection of wisdom are states of mind. And we said, well, what about the SHUNG?

What about the books? What about the digital data and the ALL data base? Which, by the way, is SHUNG SHER CHEN.

It's the first... It's the books. All right, DER THAG.

Then we say, look, he does bow down to all three. And then the guy says, between the CHER and the DER THAG, he says THAG MA GYUR. I disagree.

I agree he bows down to somebody, but he didn't bow down to all three. And we say, DER THAG? He does.

Yeah, he did. That's just how you speak to your wife, right? Yeah, I did.

Did you take out the garbage? Yeah, you didn't take out the garbage. Yeah, I did.

Can you go up, DER THAG? Yeah, I did. Well, what's your proof that he did?

It's directly in the... SHER RAB PA ROL CHEN PA LA, etc. Three lines.

He didn't give you the last three lines of the verse. Luckily, you have ALL and Grandpa to go dig it out. And Joel's program is the shovel for the database to dig out stuff.

Here's the whole verse. And Tim's going to... or who's going to read it?

Stanley. Can you read it? Yeah.

Loudly. Okay. SHER RAB PA ROL CHEN PA LA DER YEN YEN SIK NGYU CHE BA THANG KUNG KEE YEN DU NGYU WA NI NAM PA YE CHI GU CHOG ZEL Good.

That is his CHOD LTOS That is his offering of praise, which is traditional at the beginning of a Buddhist book. So he bowed. Let's read it.

SHER RAB PA ROL CHEN PA LA I CHOG ZEL at the end. KU means me. Sometimes KU PA means what?

With reference or on? KU PA means respect, right? And then KU by itself means me.

So, I bow down, KU CHOG ZEL to SHER RAB PA ROL CHEN PA LA To the perfection of wisdom. Yeah. And to his to his the Yeah, to his to his necklace GAR NI GANG GAR NI GANG Set in verse.

Set in verse. Like Abhidharma Kosha GAR NI GANG In this case, Abhisam Malankara GAR NI GANG GAR NI GANG GAR NI GANG at the end of a title means this is in prose. Sorry, poetry.

This is in verse form. So he says, And I bow down to the one which is its ornament. Doing actual jewelry.

And by the way, I'll give you $100 if you can explain ornament to me. Here. Anyone or Tim?

Anybody. It's like a lady getting ready for a party. The word Alankara is like getting ready.

And a lady puts her jewelry on as she's getting ready for a party. Go deeper, Nick. You earned $50 so far.

Now, if you don't want your child to go to Princeton, you want to go to a number two school like Harvard. 12 years on top, I'm telling you. Does it have something to do with hanging it?

I don't know. Just think about it. Just stop and think.

Why would he call his book an ornament? Or a necklace that the lady puts on before she goes to the dance? It's empty.

Because it's like a commentary on the perfection of wisdom?

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Because the perfection of wisdom is the mother.

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Stay closer. It helps you get ready for Buddhahood? You guys too complicated.

She's already foxy. She's already foxy. Without any jewelry.

She's good looking without any jewelry. And then you come and put a piece of jewelry on her? Oh my God.

That's why they call their book The Jewel. The jewelry, the necklace. They say, look, the perfection of wisdom is already sexy, beautiful.

But our commentary is going to make her, oh, she's going to be even better. You know what I mean? You got to think like that.

They weren't just making a commentary. They were trying to get her ready for the big party. Now she's more beautiful.

She's stunning. Now she's super stunning. That's the idea again.

That's why they call their book The Alankara. This refers to the stickler chepa. And by the way, that's the end of the name of Abhisam Alankara in the Tengyur.

They call it ngun to geng kyi stickler chepa. So here he just says the gen which is stickler chepa, which means our gen. Sorry, Arya Sangha's gen and Maitreya's gen.

Who's writing this poem? This is Haribhaja. He's third generation.

Buddha's Prajnaparamita Sutras Explanation by Asanga plus Maitreya. And then you got Haribhaja coming along. Who's the fourth generation?

Khendrub Thambadage. The ultimate textbook writer of all Buddhist monasteries. And then?

Tim Lowenhaupt. Tim Lowenhaupt.

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We're the gen on the gen. We're the whipped cream on the necklace. I don't know what that means.

Never mind. We're the diamond in the middle of the necklace. We added a necklace to that.

We added a pendant to the necklace. All right. He bows down to the perfection of wisdom.

And he bows down to the commentary. That's the whole point of the second line. I wish grandpa would just say it.

And then he says And to all the other commentators that will come. Who's the ultimate jewel of the whole universe? The Buddha.

I bow down to the one who is the jewel of the whole universe. The jewel of everyone's perfection. How many we got?

Haso says we got three. Let's see if he can figure out line per line. I'll give you the easy one.

The second line is a book. It's the verses. The first one is perfection of wisdom in the form of realization.

Lam, yeah, the path. And the last one is the result. We call it, say, shun, lam, debusun.

Say shun, lam, debusun. All three are here. Not obviously, but if you understand what's going on.

First one is, which one? Lam. Second one is shun.

Third one is shun. Nice. And then my goal in this commentary is to yewa those.

I would like to separate them out and explain them separately to you. And in order to accomplish that task, I bow down to those three. Question.

Anticipatory translation. What's the next most common step in writing a commentary? He has finished bowing down to holy objects.

Promise to compose the word? Yeah, word's got it. Tsong ba dam chok.

Say tsong ba. Tsong ba dam chok. Tsong ba dam chok.

I will finish this book or die trying. And they can carve half of it in the tenure. They can put half of it in the AOL database.

Stop at byte number 375. And I did my job. Now there's a debate which I'll tell you and I'll anticipate it for you.

Because we don't have that much time. Because I tell too many stories. Does this feel like there could be tsong ba dam chok inserted in here?

And that maybe he doesn't need to go to another verse? I promise. So I can give you an analysis of these three.

Isn't that kind of a promise already? You know? I bowed down to three forms of professional wisdom so I can get this commentary done.

Isn't that kind of a promise already? There's going to be an argument about it. I'm just telling you.

All right. Yay! Let's go.

DUS MI NUS TE You cannot claim that this fits your definition of the Prajnaparamita because you said that he bows down to because you said khyema. It's a state of mind. It's a state of knowledge.

Then he says, yeah, yeah, that's a definition. All perfection of wisdom being bowed down to by Master Haibhadra are states of mind. Then we said, what about this stupid commentary that you're commenting on?

Is that a state of mind? And he says, I don't know. And we say, no, it's not.

You can't say it is because je je kye tsik. It's words. Words are explained.

They are words of expression. These are physical words. You can say sounds or concepts but they're not.

They're not a state of wisdom. They're just words. Got it?

Ta-da! This is Gag Shag Pong Su format. Explain.

Can you say that again? GZHAN LUGS DGAGS PA RANG LUGS SHAGS PA TSOS PA PONG BA Three pedagogical steps. So the wrong point of view?

First we give the wrong point of view. Then we give the correct one. Which is all they do in a Western textbook.

And then this guy gets to come back and defend him. Which is so cool. Which is so fair.

It's like you beat your wife in an argument. You say, honey, you want to try again? At the end, they usually do.

Okay? It's such a beautiful educational method. Has he told you the definition of the perfection of wisdom?

No. He's just told you what it's not. And that's a better educational method.

By the time you reach the second section you should be able to write the second section by yourself. That's the goal of this educational method. I'll tell you what's not correct over and over again.

Every detail. And then I want you to take each of those elements and include them in the final correct definition of the perfection of wisdom. Cool?

So we're learning this whole first part. Which could take us another term. We're going to learn what the perfection of wisdom is not.

And then we'll start forming our own idea of what it is. And then we can compare that to the second section and see how we're doing. Alright, here we go.

That sounds like DCI Advanced Level 2. DCI Advanced Level 2. Exactly.

If I can remember what it was about. Okay. Please read.

Who do you want to read? Or you can have someone else read it. Let's see.

Let's pick on somebody. How about Oscar? You use the cursor here?

Tim's got a cursor. Okay. ...

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Good. Tim's going to fix this. Past tense.

Good. Okay, good. Let's see.

Okay. Somebody says Let's work backwards from Khyama, Tim. That Khyama That state of mind.

In the mind of an Arya. Which has the nupa which is capable of achieving the shedun of that Arya. What that Arya has promised to accomplish.

And rangse means the Arya who is actually produced by the practitioner. Son or daughter. That's the definition of the yun, the mother.

Which is the yul of the chuju which is the subject, the object of the verses of praise. In Haribaji's commentary. Okay, good.

What did he add here? He kind of added yun to something. He limited it to mothers.

Okay, mother. Now, what are we going to pull out? A counterexample.

A counterexample. The next statement in this argument is always an example which doesn't fit his definition. But which is still the mother that Haribaji is praising at the beginning of his commentary.

By the way, if you spent this much time on the first four lines of a commentary that goes on for hundreds of pages, how long is it going to take that? I mean, okay. That's why we pray for Tim's long life.

He'll speed up. He'll speed up. That's what we say to everybody.

Ana. Who's reading, Tim? You got the cursor.

Svetlana. Svetlana.

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Ana. Ana. Ana.

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Rel.

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Sal ki cho jo gyur pe nyanto ki tsok lam chok gen chen tan nyi te tal tsong ja te chir Wow, nice.

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Here comes our counterexample. Let's take the tsok lam, Tim. Let's take the path of accumulation.

Which one of the five paths? The first one. What do you have to reach to reach tsok lam?

Pronunciation. You got to be tired of this mark. You got to say, that's all I can take and I can't take no more.

Who's that quotation from? Popeye. I'm just trying to educate you guys.

You weren't born in the 60s. You're deprived. Deprived.

Let's take Let's take the path of accumulation of a listener. Shravaka. Who is the object of his praise at the beginning of his book?

We're talking about the person. Let's take the tsok lam which is the object of the praise at the beginning of Hare Buddha's commentary. Let's consider the path of accumulation.

Path number one of the five on a lower track. Which is serving as what he's singing to at the beginning of his book. Does it fit your definition of what he is singing to at the beginning of his book?

Of course not. Why? I don't know why.

First of all, is it Hare Buddha's intention at the beginning of his commentary on the Perfection of Wisdom to bow down also to the very first path of a person on a lower track? Sure. Yeah, it's still worthy of prostration.

Does it fit our opponent's definition here? For example, does it achieve the goals of the Arya who has it in his mind? No.

Why? Well, they're not Aryas yet.

[Speaker 2]
It's first path.

[Speaker 1]
Is it worthy of prostration? Yes. Is it an Arya's achievement?

No. Well, the Arya has already achieved it. Right.

Well, the Arya has already achieved that. No. At an earlier point.

You can say that. But it's not the main thing that makes them an Arya. Okay, fair.

By the way, there is a case where you can go to third path on the second track and then at the first part of the third track. But that's another story. Okay, so let's take that lower pre- direct reception.

Emptiness path. It's a spiritual practice. It's all cool.

It's not yet getting into the realm of touching the Diamond World. Let's take that one. SONG NGAM CHOS CAN Are you saying your definition fits it?

I think so. Why do you ask me that? Because it is something he bows down to.

He does bow down to it at the beginning of his book. Which of the three? We can talk about later.

SONG JA DE'I PHYIR It is something that he's bowing down to. Why is it something he's bowing down to? Because it is what it is.

I hate this kind of statement. And I don't think it's legal according to the laws of logic. I gotta say some of my friends use it sometimes.

We're just saying he does do that, right? He does bow down. No, we say because it is the example we said.

It is the example we gave. Let's take that SONG NGAM. Is it what he's defining?

Maybe it's one of the labs. It's just a cheap segway. I don't like it.

I'm opposed to it. DUR MI GNOD TE You cannot say if it's your definition of what he's bowing down to because it's the LUNG RTOG of a SROG BSKYED. It's the realization of a non-Arya SROG BSKYED.

Why? It's only the first chapter. He hasn't seen emptiness yet.

Therefore you cannot say it's PHAG RGYUN GYI KHYEN PA. That knowledge in the mental stream of an Arya. You can't describe it.

So, so is it only realizations of an Arya which is bowed down to by Haribhadra? No. Is it only the realizations of an Arya which are the perfection of wisdom?

No. Just any of those five paths is perfection of wisdom. Even if it's not about emptiness yet.

So far it's just about being fed up with this life. That's already perfection of wisdom. Cool.

In this definition. We got five minutes. Let's use it.

Rebecca. Rebecca. I don't know if the LA people go to bed at 8, Tim.

That's why Rosa moved to such an exciting city. LAUGHTER What are you laughing about? Go ahead, Rebecca.

It isn't. I'm also going to get this pen.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. KHA CHIK CHER PA RO KHYIM PA LA DE YIN GYEN ZHIG Sorry, I don't know how to say it.

[Speaker 1]
LER LER It's got to be two syllables because it's poetry.

[Speaker 2]
ZIG BLUR ZIG BLUR ZIG BLUR BYAS PA THAG CHES SUG GI ZHUNG GI DIN DRAL PA DUN ZAL GYI TSUN PA DAM CHE ZHU MA YIN ZER NA I'm going to read it quickly because we're out of time.

[Speaker 1]
Those opening lines of Haribhadra's prayers, ,ZHES RAB PAR DOG BYIN PA LA, ,DE DGANG ZHIG DANG BYAS PA BDAG, I think it's BYAS PA DANG. Yeah. You can't get away with that.

That's not what he said. I can't get it up. Okay.

Those are not my end. The DAM BYA, that's from the text. Okay.

Those are the DOD CHAGS. Those are the necessary prayers at the beginning of the book, but they are not the SOM PA DANG CHAGS. They are not the promise to write the book.

He says that's usually a separate verse, and it usually is. And there is no other separate verse here. He says those are not the promise to write the book.

It's a setup, right? When he says that, what are we going to say? We're going to say, well, of course they are.

Well, of course they are. Read fast, Tim. DE YIN PA LTA ,DRE BA DANG TSOG SOM PA'I PHYIR, ,DU GSUM LAM, ,DRE PA SHES CAN GSUM LA, ,DOD CHAGS SEM PA'I PHYIR.

Yeah, and this is a beautiful statement. The whole reason why Haribhadra bows down to the three forms of the Perfection of Wisdom is to get the goddamn good karma to finish the book. And that's his promise.

They are inextricably related. He bows down to get the karma to do the book, and if that's not a promise, what is? Cool.

It's very beautiful. In that case, no other author ever had a Dhamma chapter, is that right? Right, exactly.

Good question. So, how does this fit in? Yeah, yes it is.

Yes, it is the promise to compose the book. The promise to compose the book is to contain within the praise at the beginning, because the whole reason why he praises the three forms of the Perfection of Wisdom is to get the good karma to finish his book. So, if that's not a promise, what is?

Okay, got it? Then we say, he says, No, it's not. No, he didn't promise to get the karma to finish his book.

And we say, Damn pal! Yeah, you just have to know the expression, and words are going to help you. And I'll give you a clue, where nge dun, as opposed to dung dun, is a synonym for drajah shimba.

However you interpret it? No, no, no. Literal meaning.

Yeah, it's quite literal. It's quite literal. He's not hinting at anything.

He said it outright. Drajah shimba means... It's exactly like he said, right?

Interpret it. It's exactly what he meant when he said, and he said what he meant. So, he is promising.

If he said what he meant, and he meant what he said, it must be a promise to write the book. When he bows down to the three kinds of Perfectionism. Nice.

By the way, you guys, I think you can appreciate, it's a whole new language. Tim's book is a whole new language. And that's the Lower Middle Way.

We are deep into the Lower Middle Way. We haven't really gone there. And it's a whole different language.

And it takes years to master. That's the end for me, this term.

[Speaker 2]
So, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
It's a nice place to end. I promise to finish it and die. Yay!

We're the same, finish it. Right? We want the former, not the latter.

We're praying that you have a long life, because we don't want to finish it. Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you, guys.

See you in the morning. Thanks for a great day, Geshe-la. Thank you, everybody.

Get some sleep. No Netflix tonight. Save it all for the weekend.

Oh, my gosh. Who has time for Netflix? I don't get it.

Somebody asked what's a weekend. All right. Good night, you guys.

See you in the morning. Thank you. Bye-bye.