Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 15

[Speaker 2]
Hey Anna, when are you arriving here?

[Speaker 1]
I am coming directly to Diamond Mountain.

[Speaker 2]
Ah, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, changed plans. All right, and is it still the same time? Are you coming a little bit earlier?

[Speaker 2]
No, directly for the retreat.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, cool. Maybe next year I'm gonna be visiting you for the mix nuts. All right.

Nick, would it be all right if I got started so we're utilizing all the time? I'm not sure if Nick can hear me. Wait, that's what we've done in the past, Tim.

Yeah, I just want to make sure it's all right to get started.

[Speaker 2]
All right, I will just do it.

[Speaker 1]
All right, here we go, guys. Here's our homework. Oh, so it should say term 18.

All right, so getting started here. We were in a discussion in the first part of the... We were in a discussion at the end of, in the first part of the biography of the reasons why the Buddhist teachings were degenerating.

And now we're getting several more examples of that. And these examples were a little bit different. The first examples were about the ways in which people were rejecting the Mahayana teachings, and also sort of infighting amongst the Hinayana practitioners.

Now we're talking about, there's three different stories about people who had some, they just seemed like they were having negative emotions, and then some terrible things happened afterwards. So what are those three, what are the three circumstances around? There's three different examples of why the teachings waned.

And what were those, the circumstances around them? Some mutekpas got mad and burned the temple down with evil magic. Right, and why did they get mad?

They got dirty dishwater thrown on them or something? Exactly, yeah. So they, someone threw some dishwasher, dirty dishwasher, they got mad and so they burned down a temple.

What else? Um, is this, is this where you got hit by a stick? The one that's used to call people to sojourn?

Right, well, was someone, the demon didn't like the sound. Right, yeah, they weren't being hit by sticks, the sticks were being hit together. And then, and then they didn't like the sound.

And they thought that the sound was meant to bewilder them. Or meant to hurt non-Buddhists. And so then they waged war.

And you guys remember the third one? Has to do with some cloth. Someone got a gift of cloth.

Oh, yeah. And it was a, there was a foot accidentally on the pattern. And he thought, this is the evil eye.

And then got all mad and waged war. Exactly, yeah. Yeah.

All three of them. All right. So I was trying to think, like, what is the purpose of these stories?

Like, like, you know, what can we and then what can we learn about these stories in our modern times? Stop trying to think you know what it is that other people are doing. Oh, I like that.

Anything else? Stop, stop bombing other people's countries over minor offenses.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
This is just more open-ended, right? You know, I'd say be sensitive to the local people might, might misunderstand your Buddhist traditions or your Buddhist customs. Right, cool.

I like all of those. The ones I came up with is how quickly, easily a negative emotion can create wildly destructive results. You know, how tenuous the teachings are, and how easy it is for them to be destroyed.

And the third one, which is related to the next question is why it might motivate, motivate us to take personal responsibility to save and preserve the teachings. So when a Brahmin decided to take personal responsibility to restore the teachings, first question is why did she say she couldn't do it directly? And how can we utilize her example as inspiration in our modern world?

Because she was a woman. Can you explain a little bit more about that? Yeah, she couldn't do it because she was a woman and she couldn't, like, be given the teachings.

So she decided to have a child.

[Speaker 2]
Right. But can you say a little bit more about like, why being a woman?

[Speaker 1]
I mean, like, is, can you say a little bit more about it? Like, is it like, what about the time period or something like that? No, what about the planet?

Women are considered lesser than men. So, you know, of course I can't do it. I can't restore the teachings.

That's a huge responsibility and a huge job. As a female, I can't do it. Okay.

So, so in that, in that sad state of affairs, you know, how can we think about this in our modern world and how could she be an inspiration? We think about her as an inspiration and the way that she did the restoration. And maybe she applied skillful means to apply that restoration, overcoming the restrictions of her time.

Yes. How else? That was, that's kind of, that's the main point here, I think, is that I think irrespective of our, you know, in our modern times, we might be, we have things like people experience racism, sexism, classism, sexual orientation, religious choices.

People have, are in terrible situations, are feel disempowered or experienced disempowering and then utilizing skillful means as a way to overcome them. Like, okay, so I'm not able to do this. How could we rise above these negative emotions?

How could you rise above this disempowerment? It doesn't mean that we don't recognize that it's there and we don't try to change it, but how can we engage in it? It's actually, it's to me, it was really like thinking about it was really painful thinking about it and then being inspired by her to say, hey, I'm still going to try to do something.

[Speaker 2]
It was interesting. Go ahead.

[Speaker 1]
It made me think about how, what she did was to use her power, which is considerable, to act in a way that would be accepted by those who have the apparent power. Right. Indeed.

I think it was interesting that she didn't actually end up teaching her son, at least the first one, she sent him away to get his spiritual education. Any other ideas anyone would like to share?

[Speaker 2]
I mean, just in the modern times, I think probably making sure that people have opportunities either in our work or personal organizations that may not usually have these opportunities. In the BIPOC communities or like in Seattle, the women's trans femme non-binary, if a job became available, possibly making sure that that person had the opportunity or at least heard about it and can sort of, if we were to apply this to our modern time right now.

[Speaker 1]
Cool. All right. So here's some Tibetan words.

This wasn't directly in this reading, but it was in the last time. What does this word mean? Pameba.

Down or deteriorate? Yes. Degenerate, decline.

What about this verb? Decline. Yep.

Destroy or abolish, decline. Grammar. What's the difference between these two?

Between nup and nup? One is a noun and one's a verb. Yeah.

So I believe it's present tense and past tense. You mean the nup and the nup, right? The nup and the nup, yep.

They're different tenses. Got it. I think myambe was an adjective, right?

Yes. If you want to get into Tibetan grammar, which is a vast subject, there's a distinction between verbs, which is similar to active-passive, but not exactly the same. It's called chepa bongwa su yupa and chepa bongwa su mepa, which means, is there implied in the verb itself a direct agent?

And snu or bsnu means the decline was done by somebody intentionally. And then nub means the decline kind of happened from the object side. And so when you start adding prefixes or headliners on an existing word like nup, which means to decline, it becomes to cause to decline.

Yeah, something like that. Cool. FYI, the first nup is the imperative.

Okay. Okay, cool. Yep.

Nup it, snup it, snup it. Destroy it. Then we have another slightly related word.

Yeah, good. That's the chepa bongwa su mepa. Right, so to fade like the setting sun.

So based on what we learned yesterday about synonyms, why would it be important for us to maybe have all these synonyms in the texts? Oh, nice question. Because I have ADHD.

That's a great answer. Because I resonate more with degenerate than destroy. Cool.

All right, great. Good job, guys. That's a great homework, Tim.

Thank you for that. I don't know where you find the time. I guess you don't sleep.

Okay. Okay, here we go. Let's get to the book.

I would like to thank... There are several people have offered to help a little bit. And there's Ella and I think her name's Joey actually made transcripts of my classes and sent them to me.

[Speaker 2]
Wow.

[Speaker 1]
I'd like to thank them for offering to help. It saves a lot of time. So thank you very much.

By the way, since you brought it up, I have this... I'm really hungry to make sure this evergreen principle... Seiji taught me a word.

Evergreen means some classes are up online all the time, forever. And anybody can go look at them anytime they want to. And I know that these classes...

I count 1,060 classes so far in the Mixed Nuts. I would really like a curator. This is the new word, right, Tim?

In the world. Like you curate a music list or something. Like a yoga playlist.

They don't say you make a yoga playlist anymore. If you're a cool person, you have to say, I curated a yoga playlist. I would really like to find two people who would like to be the curators of these recorded classes, the old classes.

And the same way that Jamie Plant is doing the... What's it called? The Knowledge Base.

I'd like to organize more carefully and maybe on a website have just a well-curated 1,000 videos. And start adding more and more stuff to them, like the vocabulary lessons and all that. It's a huge job.

Probably it needs... What's that Vinaya Val? It needs some slaves to our possessions and don't get paid.

But anyway, I'm hungry for that. And it's like someone to curate. And it's a lot of hours.

And you would learn the material very, very well. And then it would be available for future generations forever. If anyone's interested, talk to Nick, okay?

Like, let Nick know. Or Ben. I'm really hungry to find another Jamie Plant, the guy who does the Knowledge Base.

He sits in his apartment in Bangkok and works all day. On this... He has finished 5,000 classes curating.

And he has 5,000 more upcoming. Every time I offer him a donation, he says, Geshe-la, I'll take care of it. You don't worry about it.

And I'm just... Boy, I want him to have kids or something. So anyway, if there's two people who are interested in that, please contact Nick, okay?

And we can have some meetings and get it going. I think it's historically important. I think these classes are similar to what Shenzong did in China.

And I don't think it's been done since then. And I think it's extremely important. And I think we should all thank Jamie.

He's one of the only people who tells me, Geshe-la, you don't have to worry about it. I'll find the money and I'll take care of it. And he just does it, okay?

Okay, cool. Here we go. To Tim's text.

Yay! All right. Please read and Juan Hasso is going to cause you trouble.

Could we go back to the previous line? So we... I can't remember what we were doing.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I'll do it real fast for you. Somebody says, if something is a Prajna Paramita Sutra, which is covered by Master's Sangha and Maitreya's Jewel of Realizations, okay?

If something is a Prajna Paramita Sutra spoken by Lord Buddha, which is explained by the very, very famous Jewel of Realizations, which is the root text here, then it must be the main sutra which is explained by the Abhisamankar, okay? If something is explained by Maitreya and the Sangha from the Prajna Paramita teachings by Lord Buddha, it must be the main, it must be one of the main sutras spoken by Lord Buddha, okay? Can you be a sutra which is covered by Arya, Asanga, and Maitreya and not be one of the main ones?

Okay, so the counter example here, we're looking for a sutra which was taught by Lord Buddha. It belongs to the collection of Prajna Paramita Sutras, Perfection of Wisdom Sutras, Bodo Bolo Mido in Chinese. And can it be covered, can it be spoken by Lord Buddha, but it's not one of the main books covered by Maitreya and the Sangha?

Is there such a sutra? Okay, and we say, well, how about what, Tim? How about the Perfection of Wisdom Sutra in one word?

Yeah, in one syllable, ah, ah. That's nice, you get distracted, say ah, and you're already reciting a sutra. So, is it covered by Maitreya and Asanga, Tim?

No. It is covered, but not mainly. Okay, okay, okay.

Because it's Perfection of Wisdom, it is necessarily treated by Maitreya and Asanga, but it's not the main thing they were focusing on. Okay, that's all. That's the debate here.

So, dare tell means, dare tell here means, it is so covered by Maitreya and Asanga. They do too comment on it because, because, please read. Sher Chokyi, the Yimpey Chair.

Yeah, and because it's a sutra in the group of... Perfection of Wisdom. Yeah, chok here means group, okay?

Direction, okay? If anything's any kind of Perfection of Wisdom Sutra, Maitreya and Asanga are talking about it, but they're not talking about it purposely or particularly, okay? All right, Hasso, he's about to read a long sentence.

He's probably going to make a lot of mistakes, just to help you. Okay. Okay.

All right.

[Speaker 2]
I don't know, the sound was weird. I didn't hear anything.

[Speaker 1]
You were breaking up, Tim. You want to start again? You want to start again?

You must be in your hotel or something. No, I'm at home. All right.

Tell the cats to get off the network. Are we all right now?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Jala. Jala? Jala.

I like that. I have no idea. I'm going to guess down.

Yeah, yeah. It's sarcastic. Good, nice.

I'm going to start with the back end here, okay? By the way, kyur here doesn't... kyur in modern Tibetan always means you.

In ancient Tibetan, it means it, okay? So it, or it can mean it. It...

which is explained by the... Jewel of Realizations. Jewel of Realizations, okay?

Main sutra. The main sutra, okay? If something is one of the main sutras, which is commented on by the Jewel of Realizations, then it has to fit those first three and a half lines, okay?

That's the definition of the main sutras, which are explained by Maitreya and Asanga, okay? So, if something is the main, one of the main Perfection of Wisdom sutras, which is commented on or explained by Asanga and Maitreya, Maitreya and Asanga, then it should fit this definition. This is a definition, okay?

And here's the long definition, okay? If something is the main Perfection of Wisdom sutra, which is Sangha and... Sorry, which Maitreya, Lord Maitreya and Asanga, Master Asanga were commenting on, okay?

Then, the book that Lord Maitreya and Master Asanga composed to comment on it, the Jewel of Realizations, it should have eight chapters. GAB RGYAS, okay? It should have eight chapters.

Which express their ideas, okay? Eight chapters, which are RJE RJE. They express the ideas.

And then there should be eight ideas, which are expressed by those eight chapters, okay? So, if something is the main Perfection of Wisdom sutra, is one of the main Perfection of Wisdom sutras covered by Maitreya and Asanga, it should be divided into eight chapters, which express the ideas, and it should have eight corresponding ideas, which are expressed by the eight chapters. RJE RJE means expressed by.

RJE RJE means which express, okay? So, it should have eight chapters and eight topics. The eight topics are called the eight things in Tibetan rupage.

But that's just a code word for topic here, okay? So, look. If something is a main Perfection of Wisdom sutra treated by Lord Maitreya and Master Asanga, it should have eight chapters which express the ideas, and there should be eight ideas which are expressed, okay?

RTEN LAG PAS When they are explaining the Perfection of Wisdom, okay, RUNG ZHING, BEPS SU RUNG ZHING And also, okay, RTEN LAG PAS TSEN DANG GI BRAL PA BRTUL MA YOD PA THA And there should be a lot of relevant other commentaries which treat those eight chapters and those eight topics, okay? Okay? Now, here comes the punchline.

Do you need eight chapters and eight classical topics to cover the Perfection of Wisdom sutra of one syllable called A?

[Speaker 2]
Maybe.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe, okay. Who said that? That's a good thing.

That's a great answer, H.P. Anyway, we're saying no, okay? So, that's all. That's all, okay?

All right. Good. All right.

If something is the main sutra treated by Lord Maitreya and Master Sarna, that team, then it should have eight main topics and the commentary itself should have eight chapters which covers the eight topics. We went through the eight chapters already. I'm not going to repeat it.

But here is the eight ideas, okay? I thought you would... These are called NGOS PO RGYAS, the eight concepts.

And they are eight states of mind, okay? They are eight states of mind that will help you to see emptiness directly, okay? By the way, Tim, I mean, you might want to have a footnote because this is the first occurrence of the eight ideas.

And then down here, this is a famous summary of the eight. So, you might want to mention that in your footnote also, okay? And take a shot at the eight.

This is a definition from the Great Dictionary, which is, maybe a word can help you since he finished this dictionary. And these are the three groups for the eight ideas, okay? The eight ideas are sometimes expressed in three groups.

The three knowledges, the four applications, and the Dharmakaya, okay? Those cover all eight, okay? And we're going to learn them.

And don't get nervous. You don't know them yet. You're not supposed to know them yet.

This is the pedagogical method of GAG ZHAG DPONG GSUNG, okay? All right. Please read.

And Hasa, we're still checking you. DUD MI NUS TE MI NUS TE Yes. CHOS CAN TE YIN PA'I PHYIR Good, yeah.

DUD MI NUS means, look, there's no way you can agree that this... Sorry. There's no way you can agree...

By the way, Stanley, Kyoto, I don't have any allergies in Kyoto. I'm just telling you. DUD MI NUS TE means you cannot agree that this sutra is covered...

You cannot agree that this sutra is covered in eight topics, in eight chapters. Why? Because it's only a single syllable.

Because it's only a single syllable. No, but what's the Tibetan say here? CHOS CAN TE YIN PA'I PHYIR That's what we're talking about?

Yeah, because that's what we're talking about, all right? And I don't like this kind of reason. It's illegal in logic to repeat as a reason the subject, okay?

You go to your wife, you say, let's go to the Japanese restaurant. It's a good place to eat because it's what it is. You know, I don't like this kind of...

I think it's close to illegal, but we'll let him go for now.

[Speaker 2]
Repeating the subject he repeated, the word subject.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's a little slovenly to start your book, to start your 50, 60-year project out with this kind of a debate, in my opinion. Okay, Hasso, you're still there. Here we go.

T'a ch'ik. Nun tok yen gi she ja saway do yen na? Gay ching, gay drink?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, it's... No, I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
This B is pronounced as a D. Therefore, the prenasal foreign is...

[Speaker 2]
N.

[Speaker 1]
N and not M, okay? Gin glin. Okay, good.

So the Prajnaparamita Sutras, there's three famous ones, okay? The extensive one, the medium one, and the short one, okay? The long one is called BUM, which is 100,000 verses.

The medium one is called NI PHYI, which is 20,000 verses, but actually it has 25,000. And then the DUPA is called RGYAS STONG PA, which is what?

[Speaker 2]
8,000?

[Speaker 1]
The 8,000 verses. These are the three super famous sutras on the perfection of wisdom. They all teach you how to see emptiness.

And by the way, they are not like Venerable Udpala's book, all right? They are not like impossibly difficult. The 8,000 verses, it's just like a science fiction book, and I love it, okay?

They don't teach emptiness with philosophy. They teach emptiness with a psychedelic science fiction story, okay? Unbelievably cool story, all right?

So if you're ever bored and you want something to translate, that's 8,000 pages in the English. That will be 8,000 pages in the English, okay? And it's a wonderful novel, okay?

Anyway, this guy, this debater says, if something is the main sutra which is explained by Lord Maitreya and Master Asanga, it must be one of those three famous Prajna Paramita Sutras, okay? It must be one of the three. The longer one, the medium one, the shorter one.

By the way, Tim, what can we always say about the opening argument of an opponent? They're wrong. It's always wrong.

It's always wrong. We just have to figure out why it's wrong, okay? Now, what we're supposed to do next is give a...

Counter-example. Counter-example. Which means we got to think of a Prajna Paramita Sutra which is not one of the 300,000, 25,000, or 8,000, okay?

We have to think of one. Okay, and here we go. Yeah, please read.

Haso, you're still there. NDO DUP PA CHOS CAN DER THAL DE PHYIR Yeah, and by the way, Haso, it's good to have you in Sedona. Anybody who wants to come to Sedona, you are very, very welcome.

We are back in business. We are open. We're doing the classes at the college.

Grandpa is personally inviting anybody who could run a stupid little cafe because I'm too lazy to find somebody, okay? So, if you want a great career in one of the major cities of the United States called Rimrock, just contact me or Rosa, and I'm serious, okay? Okay, ONA, NDO DUP PA CHOS CAN What's DUP PA, you guys?

To collect. Yeah, and here it means brief. It means brief.

So, there's a mini sutra on the perfection of wisdom. It's not the long one, the medium one, or the short one. It's a mini sutra.

It's called NDO DUP PA, okay? The mini sutra, okay? It's not as mini as AH, but it's pretty short, okay?

So, he says, let's take this samuccaya. I think it's sutra samuccaya something. Let's take the short, short sutra.

Are you telling me it's one of those three? Why? Because it is explained by Lord Maitreya and Master Asanga, okay?

All right. Keep going, Tim. Haso, your last chance to bother him.

And in this case, is this always going to be sarcastic? He finished it sarcastic already. His first tell...

The first one was sarcastic. So, this one's going to say, well, this is what we really believe, right? Yeah, exactly.

So, the first tell, after the counterexample, is always sarcastic and goes down. DER TAL And now, it could be either one. It happens to be, we believe it, and we're supposed to sound agreed.

It is two. So, you go... We go up, right?

DER TAL Okay. PAP PAP PADE PAPHE Yeah, heavy prenasal. LD is automatic prenasal.

DEN DEN Yep, DEN DEN DEN DEN GYIS GREL BA DUM LA YOD PA'I DO YIN That's almost literally the same paragraph as before. Yeah, but it's quite different, actually. Yeah.

Okay. It is too one of the Prajñāpāramitā sūtras which is explained by Master Sangha and Lord Maitreya because it is treated in what? It is treated in the eight chapters, or the eight topics.

Yeah, both. The eight topics and the eight chapters. Yeah, it is treated with the eight topics and the eight chapters by the Jewel of Realizations, by their famous book.

Okay. It could have been Tenla Bepsu Rung. It is totally...

what do you call it? Appropriate that you would use eight chapters and eight topics to explain the much shorter sutra of the Prajñāpāramitā. By the way, it is not that short.

I think it is 60 pages or something. It is appropriate. It is very nice if you use the eight topics and the eight ideas to explain it.

DE LTAR BSTAN LA SPAS PA'I SEMS NEN GYI BRAL MA By the way, there are many draupas, and this is misspelled. Okay, that is tricky. There are many draupas which do explain it that way.

There are many commentaries that do. Yeah, good. There are many SEMS NEN commentaries.

SEMS MA DANG LDAN PA Accurate ones. Yeah, authoritative. There are many authoritative commentaries which use the eight ideas and the structure of the eight chapters to comment upon this smaller perfectionism sutra.

Therefore, it is not true, Tim, that if something is... If something is... what is it?

It is a main sutra, and it has to be one of the three... Good. ...the longer, the middle, or the short. Good, good. If something is the main sutra explained by the Abhisamharamkaram, it does not have to be one of those big three, one of those famous three. There are other Prajnaparamita Sutras, and we are going to get some of their names, and you are going to be surprised.

Okay, all right. PHYI MA DER THAL What was the last... oh, please read and hustle.

That is your last sentence, sorry. PHYI MA DER THAL LOD PHANG GI DROD DRAL THOG Is that SA? SA SOGS ZAS PA'I PHYIR How do you pronounce SL?

LA? SA? Yeah, high tone LA, like B-L-A.

LA, LA, okay. S-L-A means easy, high tone LA. B-L-A means higher, like Lama.

PHYI MA DER THAL It is... The guy, by the way, in between these two words, in between PHYIR and PHYI MA DER THAL, in between there, the other guy says what? $100.

[Speaker 2]
I don't agree.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, give it to me in Tibetan. THOG MA GRUB Okay, so it's $50. Who said the first thing that was hustle?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, $50 each, okay? $50 to the Amalie College Fund, because she's already halfway there since her birthday, and $50 to the Hustle Rent Fund. All right.

Okay, so he said THOG MA GRUB, and in the Mixed Nuts Diamond Cutter Classics Standards, we supply that, we add it in italics in the book, okay? PHYI MA DER THAL It is true that someone has written a commentary on the brief, brief, Prajna Paramita Sutra, because the Lopen, what's that?

[Speaker 2]
That's the Master Haribhaja, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the Master, the Acharya, the Acharya, okay? He wrote a commentary to do to the short, short Prajna Paramita Sutra. What's the name of that commentary?

[Speaker 2]
THOG LA Easy reasoning?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, anybody can understand it, come on. THOG LA means, look, it's so dumb, it's so easy to understand, which it's not, okay? So, ZAS PA'I PHYIR Now, a very frustrating thing about Tim's book is that they will keep saying stuff like this, and they'll just say, the Master.

And then you have to figure out which god dang Master they're talking about, all right? So, it happens to be this one.

[Speaker 2]
Haribhadra.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Haribhadra, which is going to be a very important Master for the next 56 years for you, okay? He wrote two commentaries to the Abhisamaya Anankara, the shorter one and the longer one, and they are the main commentaries still used in all monasteries of the Tsongkhapa tradition for understanding the perfection of wisdom, okay? So, Haribhadra, which means what, Tim, his name?

Senge Sambal. Something lion, great. Yeah, like Mr. Pure Lion or something like that. Great, excellent lion, okay? All right, good. Okay, we finished the argument, I think.

We got a few minutes, let's keep going. There's the footnote for you, Tim, okay? It happens to be work number 4,569 in the ten year.

By the way, those numbers are deceiving because they include 900... they start at 991 or 1000, they start after the Kanye. So, it's the 4,569th work including the Kanye, okay?

All right. By the way, you guys should bow down to John Brady every time you see him. They finished those 4,600 books about 20 years ago.

It was a lot of work. It was a real adventure story how we got the ten year out of the Himalayas. I cannot tell you the whole story yet, but it's cool.

It's a real... what do you call that guy in the... Indiana Jones.

It's a real Indiana Jones story and someday I'll be able to tell you about it. So, there's the reference. Okay.

Yeah, and here's some more commentaries he wrote. All right, some more commentaries. Okay.

You cannot agree... You cannot agree that this book is one of the three main... comment...

You cannot agree that this book, that this sutra is one of those three main Prajnaparamita Sutras. Why? Because it's the example we said it was.

There's another... Kind of a... It doesn't...

It's just like, well, we're just talking about... And so I don't want to talk about anything else. Yeah, it's just like...

It is what it is. Which I don't think is a great reason. But okay.

Okay. Every time you see header, it means there's a new... A new guy comes up with another bad idea.

Okay, so here we go. Who's going to check you? Adam, are you there?

Yeah. Turn on your microphone.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I'm here again.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, can you criticize Tim as well as you can? You can criticize him for stuff he didn't even do. That's what I do.

All right. Okay. Oh, yeah, okay.

When you're talking about the tsawa-do, what's that, Tim? The root sutra. Yeah, the main sutras.

Okay, probably. When you're talking about the main sutras, which are shepa by the Nguentong team... Explained by the Jewel of Realization.

Yeah. There's exactly chuk dun, no more, no less. Seventeen.

Yeah, there's exactly seventeen. Chang e means... By the way, this is not the chang e that means literal and figurative.

That's a different spelling. This means... The number is seventeen.

No more, no less. And they are called the Mother and the Children. They are called the Holy Mother, yum, and the Holy Children, se.

Yum, se. There are seventeen sutras, which Lord Maitreya and Master Asanga are explaining. No more, no less.

And these seventeen are divided into the Mother Sutras and the Holy Child Sutras. And here's the division. There's six Mother Sutras, and there's eleven Daughter and Son Sutras.

By the way, the Prajnaparamita is often referred to, the Perfection of Wisdom, is often referred to simply as yum. Why? It's where Buddhists come from.

Yeah, you can say briefly, and we're going to have that debate in here, that they give birth to Buddhists and Bodhisattvas. The Perfection of Wisdom Sutras, which by the way, is most of the content of the Buddhist teaching, which is not secret. The Vajrayana, the Diamond Way Teachings by Lord Buddha, are just about half of what we taught.

If you talk about the open teachings, the vast majority is the Perfection of Wisdom Sutras. So he says there are six Mother Sutras. There are.

Here we go, Tim. Who's checking you? Adam.

Adam, pick on him. Come on, we got to fight.

[Speaker 2]
Hey Tim, you didn't make a mistake last time.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, make a mistake. Have some compassion, Tim. Have some compassion and make some mistakes, okay?

Okay, good. The six Mother Perfection of Wisdom Sutras are the Longer, Medium, and Briefer One. By the way, the Briefer One of the three is spelled B-S-D-U-S.

The Brief-Brief One is spelled S-D-U-D, just for your knowledge. So be careful, don't mix them up. So there's the Longer Perfection of Wisdom Sutra, the Medium One, and the Briefer One, which is not very brief, okay?

Then there's another one that I didn't mention yet, in 10,000 verses. And then there's another one in 18,000 verses, okay? And then there's the short, short one, Do Dupa.

See the spelling difference? Those are called the Mother Sutras. When you say Mother Sutras, you are talking about these six Perfection of Wisdom Sutras.

100,000 verses, 25,000 verses, 8,000 verses, 10,000 verses, 18,000 verses, and then the little guy. Those are the six mothers. By the way, I tried...

I tried to count the verses in these books for fun. I tried to count the verses in these books. How could you do that word with John Brady's search program?

Count the hard returns? Yeah. No, we don't have hard returns in our data.

Count shivs? Count shivs?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Count the kamas. Count the kamas. Every verse should have eight kamas.

One at the beginning of each line, and one at the end of each line. There's four lines in a Tibetan verse, and there's eight kamas. I had some fun one day.

I thought, I'm going to see if there's really 100,000 verses in here, and I counted the kamas. Then I noticed something. In the 8,000 verses at least, it's in prose.

Wow. It's not verses. It's in sentences.

It's not in poetry. It's not in verses. It's just kind of an artificial...

It's an artificial measurement technique of number of syllables or something like that, just for your knowledge. It's going to be difficult to give those names. Okay.

That's the six mothers. We got one minute left. ZE CHU GCIG What are the 11 children of the mothers?

There's the SHER GYI GYIG MA There's the PRAJNAPARAMITA in one letter, in one sound. There's the one in not too many letters. There's the Heart Sutra.

It should have been more. Et cetera. Like the Diamond Cutter, for example.

There's 11 kids, and there's six moms in the Perfection of Wisdom Sutras. If you're a mixed nut, what do you have to do now? Wait to find the other ones.

You got to go find the rest of the 11 that he said, et cetera. Maybe Tim could do that as a homework. It comes in the next...

I went and got it for you, here. By the way, who found the 11 before? It's this guy named Lop Singh.

Okay. So, Kapha found the 11. I want you to derive them.

If you need help, talk to Word. Stop here. What's the date?

322? Yes, sir. All right.

Any parting words, Mr. Nick? Stick around for yoga with Teresa, and there'll be another yoga class at 4 for those of you on different time zones with Nicole Majewski. See you tonight.

All right. Oh, mixed nuts, pay attention. I made some changes to the schedule as per Geshe Michael, what you requested.

It's arranged. Yeah, so I requested yesterday that Nick don't put hard classes at the end of the day and at the end of the morning. He made a few tweaks.

He made a few adjustments because, I don't know, in Sedona last night, before I started Udpala's class, people were already sleeping Udpala, so it wasn't a book. Okay, I'll be sleeping instead. Yeah, people were exhausted.

I will take it all on me. No, people were exhausted, so I'd like to put the easier translations later in the day. So we rearranged it that way.

By the way, Tim noted yesterday, easier translation doesn't mean less important. It's just easier words. Okay, so that's all.

Okay, I think that's all, Nick. That's it, that's it. Have a great day.

Oh, by the way, I think Teresa's from Argentina. I'm not sure. She's from Argentina, yeah.

Yeah, okay. Living in Spain. Oh, she is?

I didn't know that. Okay. That's what somebody just informed me.

They could be. Okay, okay, cool. All right, well, Argentina lost a good yoga teacher.

All right.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Geshe-la. I love you.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, I love you, too. All right, see you guys later. Thanks, everybody.

Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you. Thank you, Geshe-la.

You're welcome. It's awesome. What's that noise?

So, Nick, are you going to change it? I think they've already been changed, Venerable. Oh, so I didn't get moved up.

Yay.